Vegeta's character archetype. Vegeta upon first introduction, was a Saiyan antagonist, self aborbed in his royal saiyan pride, as a elite warrior. He didn't require training and believed himself to be the strongest saiyan warrior. He visited Earth to use the Dragon Balls to grant himself ultimate power to overthrow frieza and rule the universe. He didn't have a growth mindset, like Goku, where he believed he could improve, nor did he believe in seeking help from other people, as he viewed such a thing, as a weakness. After the events of Namek and the knowledge of Goku becoming the legendary super saiyan and defeating Frieza. He started to focus all his rage and motivation in surpassing goku. Initially through brute force training. He still fought selfishly, and for only himself. He viewed fighting, only for the sake of proving himself to be the best warrior ever. When Goku once again, surprised the prince, with his version of training, and to his further annoyance, now his rivals son had surpassed him. This once again, showed Vegeta that their was something else he was missing. If sheer training doesn't help, what then? Vegeta then found himself a family and thought that was the source of Goku's strength. Still Goku in the afterlife, had again, managed to surpass him, with SSJ3. Even going back to his dark roots didn't bring him closer to Goku. Then came Vegeta's proclamation during the Kid Buu fight, that It was more than training, more than family, and more than just having interesting friends and mentors. It was spiritual enlightment, he was missing. Son Goku character archtype is based and inspired by Journey to the West. Sun Wukong is a mythical sage who is selfishly obsessed with fighting and even fights the Buddha! By the end of the story, Son Wukong is granted Buddhahood and enlightment for helping to retrieve the Buddhist Scrolls. This related because Son Goku is also a being who through his adventures and fighting, finds within himself, spiritual enlightment. You may doubt this idea that Son Goku is a "enlightened being" But you have to consider the Eastern Traditions conception of Enlightment, which is "emptyness" This is the first step in Buddhist-Daoist enlightment. It's called "Satari" or first enlightment. In the cultivation of Zen, this kind of mindset is what is required to reach newfound spiritual heights. As for Vegeta. This is what he realized and after the Buu arc, he went on a "spiritual pilgrimage" in finding new masters and such, to teach him this kind of mindset and spirit. This is who Vegeta is now, thanks to Son Goku's greatest strength, which is to allow others to find greater strength within themselves, through the Philosophical depths of martial arts. To put it simply. Vegeta, realized that the wall he continues to push himself over, is not Son Goku, it is himself. The greatest person you will ever face, is yourself, your own thoughts, and fears. Vegeta was always fighting others and externalizing his own pitfalls onto others, instead of fighting himself.This pattern is apperent, in other villains in Dragon Ball. Son Goku is a being, who has always viewed his own spirit, as his wall to climb over. He shows mercy and compassion to others due to his Buddha nature, and to allow others to find this truth as well. Again, not to prove anything, but to find greater meaning "I'll surpass Kakarot in my own way" that although sounds like character regression. It reflects my own point I was making. Son Goku's character has rubbed off on Vegeta. He went from a guy like Frieza who thought he was above all else. To someone who used brute force training on his body, without training his mind. He wasn't open to help from his family or friends or even mentors, UNTIL the kid Buu speech. That's when he understood Gokus character, and why he fights the way he does. Not as a Saiyan, but as an Earthling. Since Earthlings and Martial Artists are based on Martial Artists in East Asian Cultures. That would imply Buddhism and Daoism as their belief systems. Vegeta has now grown to accept help from others (Whis, Yardrats, etc) and by his interaction by Goku, pushes himself the way Goku does(as close as he can.) Again Dragon Ball is the story of Son Goku and his spiritual enlightenment. If you recall my conversation on Buddhism. I said that Goku is like a Bodhisattva, which are beings who are enlightened and practice universal compassion. They exist to help others achieve spiritual enlightenment (i.e Piccolo, Vegeta, Frieza, Android's, Buu etc) As for the recent developments with Beerus and Vegeta : He wants Vegeta to embrace his saiyan biology and love of Destruction, which is something that gods of Destruction And Saiyans have always had in common. It makes sense, since Vegeta has strayed away from his saiyan inclinations, as early as the Buu arc. We have seen the "earthling" side of him, have more influence on him than anything else, again based on Goku's buddha nature. Vegeta is still lost on the path of strength Beerus is referring to all the earthling baggage that has invaded vegetas character. (I e his love for family, friends, his sinful actions on Namek etc.) Beerus wants Vegeta to let all that go, and enter a state of buddhist emptiness(Śūnyatā) like Ultra Instinct, except to channel destruction!
From conqueror to fatherhood, he's fought against galactic tyrants, androids, demons, and Gods alike; and in the end, he still retained the pride of a true Saiyan prince.
What if universe 7 used the best possible fighters in the T.O.P Cell, Broly, Frieza, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, (They could possibly find Broly if they search the universe for more stronger fighters)
Guys I don't want to argue but Vegeta and Goku are awesome but I do like Goku much more and Vegeta is my second favourite in the franchise and in Super He is very awesome but super vegeta is way better than gt but I do love Gt.
Do a fusion art between you, smugstuck or Carthu or maybe all 3 at once :0 (salad, you can choose the one saiyan in your intro or the cell guy but I prefer the saiyan one)
What if the non canon broly was canon and the canon broly was still canon? I would say that non canon broly and canon broly were brothers and the non canon broly could be called coly like broccoli and they were twins but both had high power levels then Broly and coly are sent to vampa and coly still has a rage for Kakarot too and paragus goes to vampa to find both of them and they are stranded there like normal so paragus trains the twins! I gave u little bit a detail to make it a bit easier for u if it’s used I will be so happy so hopefully it’s used! I know u saw this on ur other vid but I’m hoping it’s used and so u see the comment
What if vegeta fused with trunks instead of goku, after they get the potara with trunks starting to loose against fused zamasu trying to give vegeta and goku time. Goku steps in getting hurt trunks fused with vegeta going ssb rage beating zamasu
Toriama doesn’t really think about what he dose. Cell wasn’t supposed to exist, the androids weren’t going to be in the android saga, vegeta was going to be a one off villain, goku was not going to be an alien. Also galick gun is not a garlic pun, it’s a galactic pun.
Smug’s video on Goku, the other part of this collab :] - th-cam.com/video/3Y3C713DWpU/w-d-xo.html
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What if 73 was in the T.O.P
lets just appreciate salad saiyan for giving us good content and what ifs
True i be making food and be looking at my phone like “ayeeeeee a what if I can eat too :D”
time : 6:59
me : when is he going to upload
salad saiyan: uploads
me: im first comment
me: refreshes
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@@SaladSaiyan well ya did a good job at what ifs and disscusions
I just appreciate Salad for his content through Quarantine- thanks dude
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Coming from a vageta fan boy this is true
I honestly like super vegeta,
Especially when he started beating the shit outta cell
I believe they were referring to Dragon ball Super's Vegeta
@@rawnorth7882 I know what I was doing
Vegeta's character archetype. Vegeta upon first introduction, was a Saiyan antagonist, self aborbed in his royal saiyan pride, as a elite warrior. He didn't require training and believed himself to be the strongest saiyan warrior. He visited Earth to use the Dragon Balls to grant himself ultimate power to overthrow frieza and rule the universe. He didn't have a growth mindset, like Goku, where he believed he could improve, nor did he believe in seeking help from other people, as he viewed such a thing, as a weakness.
After the events of Namek and the knowledge of Goku becoming the legendary super saiyan and defeating Frieza. He started to focus all his rage and motivation in surpassing goku. Initially through brute force training. He still fought selfishly, and for only himself. He viewed fighting, only for the sake of proving himself to be the best warrior ever. When Goku once again, surprised the prince, with his version of training, and to his further annoyance, now his rivals son had surpassed him. This once again, showed Vegeta that their was something else he was missing.
If sheer training doesn't help, what then? Vegeta then found himself a family and thought that was the source of Goku's strength. Still Goku in the afterlife, had again, managed to surpass him, with SSJ3. Even going back to his dark roots didn't bring him closer to Goku.
Then came Vegeta's proclamation during the Kid Buu fight, that It was more than training, more than family, and more than just having interesting friends and mentors. It was spiritual enlightment, he was missing. Son Goku character archtype is based and inspired by Journey to the West. Sun Wukong is a mythical sage who is selfishly obsessed with fighting and even fights the Buddha! By the end of the story, Son Wukong is granted Buddhahood and enlightment for helping to retrieve the Buddhist Scrolls. This related because Son Goku is also a being who through his adventures and fighting, finds within himself, spiritual enlightment. You may doubt this idea that Son Goku is a "enlightened being" But you have to consider the Eastern Traditions conception of Enlightment, which is "emptyness" This is the first step in Buddhist-Daoist enlightment. It's called "Satari" or first enlightment. In the cultivation of Zen, this kind of mindset is what is required to reach newfound spiritual heights.
As for Vegeta. This is what he realized and after the Buu arc, he went on a "spiritual pilgrimage" in finding new masters and such, to teach him this kind of mindset and spirit.
This is who Vegeta is now, thanks to Son Goku's greatest strength, which is to allow others to find greater strength within themselves, through the Philosophical depths of martial arts.
To put it simply. Vegeta, realized that the wall he continues to push himself over, is not Son Goku, it is himself. The greatest person you will ever face, is yourself, your own thoughts, and fears. Vegeta was always fighting others and externalizing his own pitfalls onto others, instead of fighting himself.This pattern is apperent, in other villains in Dragon Ball. Son Goku is a being, who has always viewed his own spirit, as his wall to climb over. He shows mercy and compassion to others due to his Buddha nature, and to allow others to find this truth as well. Again, not to prove anything, but to find greater meaning
"I'll surpass Kakarot in my own way" that although sounds like character regression. It reflects my own point I was making. Son Goku's character has rubbed off on Vegeta. He went from a guy like Frieza who thought he was above all else. To someone who used brute force training on his body, without training his mind. He wasn't open to help from his family or friends or even mentors, UNTIL the kid Buu speech. That's when he understood Gokus character, and why he fights the way he does. Not as a Saiyan, but as an Earthling. Since Earthlings and Martial Artists are based on Martial Artists in East Asian Cultures. That would imply Buddhism and Daoism as their belief systems.
Vegeta has now grown to accept help from others (Whis, Yardrats, etc) and by his interaction by Goku, pushes himself the way Goku does(as close as he can.) Again Dragon Ball is the story of Son Goku and his spiritual enlightenment.
If you recall my conversation on Buddhism. I said that Goku is like a Bodhisattva, which are beings who are enlightened and practice universal compassion. They exist to help others achieve spiritual enlightenment (i.e Piccolo, Vegeta, Frieza, Android's, Buu etc)
As for the recent developments with Beerus and Vegeta :
He wants Vegeta to embrace his saiyan biology and love of Destruction, which is something that gods of Destruction And Saiyans have always had in common.
It makes sense, since Vegeta has strayed away from his saiyan inclinations, as early as the Buu arc. We have seen the "earthling" side of him, have more influence on him than anything else, again based on Goku's buddha nature.
Vegeta is still lost on the path of strength
Beerus is referring to all the earthling baggage that has invaded vegetas character. (I e his love for family, friends, his sinful actions on Namek etc.) Beerus wants Vegeta to let all that go, and enter a state of buddhist emptiness(Śūnyatā) like Ultra Instinct, except to channel destruction!
Vegeta is my favorite character.
me : when is he going to upload
salad saiyan: uploads
me: im first comment
me: refreshes
me: its over 9000
From conqueror to fatherhood, he's fought against galactic tyrants, androids, demons, and Gods alike; and in the end, he still retained the pride of a true Saiyan prince.
I really like how you and smugstick are so chill with each other! i've always liked how friendly you two are to each other. It makes me smile.
Its nice to see that you do collabs with Smugstick, keep it up and thanks for content :D
Smug stick uploaded at the same time
I love how you guys are buddies
Both videos are pretty chill
I liked the style
I like these collabs and u make frequent and consistent what ifs and smug stick takes a while to do his but they're fun to watch
This is how I want your what if collaboration to be
Ooooooooo another Salad Stick fusion!
Loves this BRO
Vegeta's "Whis Armor" was actually made by Bulma
I like this type of video it feels more casual.
Vegeta's Buu Saga armor, Whis armor and GT clothing are the best ones.
Still waiting on What if Heles tricked Goku into sex by making him think it was training.
Cough Drop that’s probably what chi chi told him
What if universe 7 used the best possible fighters in the T.O.P
Cell, Broly, Frieza, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan,
(They could possibly find Broly if they search the universe for more stronger fighters)
Cell, Broly, frieza, goku, vegeta, Android 17, buu(if buy absorb characters like the weaker z fighters
Moro maybe?
2 good 4 U Moro would grow strong enough to beat Jiren
Yea, let’s not include him
2 good 4 U 73?
The SAIYAN PRINCE🔥
Guys I don't want to argue but Vegeta and Goku are awesome but I do like Goku much more and Vegeta is my second favourite in the franchise and in Super He is very awesome but super vegeta is way better than gt but I do love Gt.
I love your collabs!!!
Do a fusion art between you, smugstuck or Carthu or maybe all 3 at once :0 (salad, you can choose the one saiyan in your intro or the cell guy but I prefer the saiyan one)
What if the non canon broly was canon and the canon broly was still canon? I would say that non canon broly and canon broly were brothers and the non canon broly could be called coly like broccoli and they were twins but both had high power levels then Broly and coly are sent to vampa and coly still has a rage for Kakarot too and paragus goes to vampa to find both of them and they are stranded there like normal so paragus trains the twins!
I gave u little bit a detail to make it a bit easier for u if it’s used I will be so happy so hopefully it’s used!
I know u saw this on ur other vid but I’m hoping it’s used and so u see the comment
I want this to be a series tbh
Can let Carthu also in :D
Next you should do Is vegito and gogeta
Hella late on this upload, but I'm curious about anyone coming up with a name for a hypothetical Vegeta move, based on Space and Light terms.
Namek saga vegeta is the best version of vegeta.
Even in super he got a new move (in the super manga) gamma burst flash
We need more calab
i do like some of his outfits
What if vegeta fused with trunks instead of goku, after they get the potara with trunks starting to loose against fused zamasu trying to give vegeta and goku time. Goku steps in getting hurt trunks fused with vegeta going ssb rage beating zamasu
You forgot about vegeta's god heat flash in the broly movie
I see what ya did. Even drop the video at the same time
You should do what if goku was the legendary super Saiyan
You guys should make a podcast
Love youre video's salad saiyan
Also akward intro lol
You guys had to post at the same time
Big Bang Attack is my favorite
I love super but I wish vegeta has some moments where he shows that he respects goku
Nice vid
So I know I’m not the first to think this but is your character on the intro a fusion between a super saiyan and metal gear phantom pain venom snake
its android future gohan
Idk Goku but why the eye patch and scarf
Y’all posted at the same time
Yes
That’s why manga is best
Toriama doesn’t really think about what he dose. Cell wasn’t supposed to exist, the androids weren’t going to be in the android saga, vegeta was going to be a one off villain, goku was not going to be an alien.
Also galick gun is not a garlic pun, it’s a galactic pun.
maybe this is a story what if goku was born whith omni ki
More what if Jiren was from Universe 7
what if salad saiyan was in dragon ball
You know i had to pick my boy vegeta first
Majin vegeta move is atomic blast.
Noti gang
People say vegetas base is lower then gokus and so he is allways weaker then goku on the same transformation...what you think guys?
@rlearner23 but the nase form thing is actually right...what ypu think???
Ok cool
Damn it, I can’t watch BOTH of you at once!!!
And hello smug
Please do a what if Dragon Ball Z Broly was good
what if bardock and gine survived part 6
Vegeta fans are the best
I love whis gi vegeta
what if vegeta was the avatar
What if GOHAN was is in mha part 6
Wow
poggers
Galic Gun isn't garlic it is galaxy
I am pretty sure anything is better than Gt.
Gt wasn’t that bad
Ss4 was pretty cool
The colors in dragon ball super are so hideous
wow i thought i was first lol
😭 he could've been so much better just like in the what if where he's a Kai!
FIRST
Sorry to burst your bubble but... your third
first