"It takes 300 years to create a tradition, but only 5 minutes to destroy it." That quote is what comes to mind whenever the story of the British ending their Rum ration comes up.
That is really something and good video who knows what others to go through next since these days there's so many topics to choose from. Though for a few may want to look into Mi-24 Hind, the old dinosaur T-54/55, Stinger, AK-47, MIG Jets and B-52 bomber are a few parts to look into.
My uncle was serving on board a Royal Navy ship on the day they stopped the rum ration. He said it was a major occasion, like a wake with all of the frills. Despite his relative gentility, he cursed them out for doing so and continued to have his nightly rum until his death 4 decades later.
@@T3DNR3DTakes a special kind of idiot to randomly accuse people of alcoholism too, from which part of that comment did you see a man struggling with addictions? Wild.
@@imadeanaccounttocomment7800 i mean no disrespect but having something every day kinda hints to addiction to me, at least in some capacity. additionally the part of a gentle mannered man getting angry over something so trivial. also alcohol is bad
@@glizzygulper8948 Hinting to and definitely indicating are very different. And alcohol is only bad if consumed excessively. The body can deal with small quantities just fine. We even have an enzyme that evolved just for that: alcohol dehydrogenase.
@@glizzygulper8948 Three hundred years of tradition cannot be described as trivial and this applies exponentially to the military where the tradition is pretty much the entire identity. Now sure some sailors in the 70’s would have been mad that they are not getting alcohol but most of them are probably just mad that something they are used to and a proud tradition is now gone. And if we use common sense instead of accusing everyone to be idiots like the first guy you will probably realise that you can’t be an alcoholic battling addictions and a sailor in the Royal Navy at the same time. At least not in the 70’s.
Of note: When the US Navy Abolished the alcohol ration during Prohibition, it was replaced (on larger ships) with ice cream, which proved so popular it was continued alongside the re-introduced alcohol ration following the abolition of prohibition. Sailers were noted to have even raided the ice cream storage on their way off the sinking USS Lexington CV-2 in the second world war, which motivated the US Navy to commission a dedicated Ice-cream producing barge able to supply ice cream to the crews of ships too small to have onboard production facilities, as well as land facilities, and even many ashore marines.
That was not rum Blackadder was drinking but an exotic wine, which he thoughtfully brought back a nearly inexaustable supply for Lord Melchett and Sir Walter Raleigh.
Speaking of beer spoiling, IPAs were invented specifically to allow British troops stationed in India to drink on the cheap. BTW, the word "groggy" is derived from grog.
@@JGCR59 Good question. I'm not a beer connoisseur, but I first started noticing them here in the US in the 90s. I liked that I could leave a bottle open overnight and a swig in the morning was no better or worse than freshly opened. Great stomach settler, too.
@@JGCR59always been pretty common among ale drinkers in britain and not really a hipster wanker thing, its more a cheap option. I used to drink it as a first pint because its light on the stomach but aley stuff gets a bit too heavy on the taste after a few so changed over to cider after. Can get cans of greene king from the shop for cheap as well which is IPA and certainly not middle class hipster or real ale twat territory
My father was in the R.N. for most of World War II. Very few ORs took the money rather than the rum. Petty officers got theirs neat but AFAIK at that time, officers did not have a rum ration, they drank in the wardroom and were charged - not for what they drank, but for a share of what everyone drank. That was one of the reasons why my dad turned down officer training, he really couldn't afford the mess bills. Hoarding rum was against regulations and there were stories of people who hoarded enough to kill themselves with, although I suspect that's probably a bit apocryphal. If you owed someone a debt, you could repay it sometimes by "sippers" - a small swallow of your rum. I never really developed a taste for neat run but dad liked it to the end of his days. Every Christmas I'd buy him a bottle of "pussers" rum which was allegedly made to the naval formula.
"In the Royal Navy the daily rum ration was used as a kind of currency on board ship and was termed "sippers and gulpers". If you did a mate on board a favour you could claim sippers and gulpers from the next ration." "In the days when tots of rum were issued, it was commonplace for sailors to pledge a portion of their rum ration to another shipmate, possibly to settle a debt. The donor would indicate how much he was allowing the other to take with one of the following phrases: "Sippers" - Take a Sip. "Gulpers" - Take a Gulp. "Sandy Bottoms" - Drink it all." I remember that the tot was used as currency for favors etc.. you could have “sippers” or “gulpers” depending on the size of the favor It was watered so it could not be saved . I remember having sippers of my brothers neat tot and that it warmed me for some time. Good times!!!" "In addition, many favours could be obtained with the "tot", in so much, that it became a form of currency ie "sippers", "gulpers", "three fingers" and a "tot" all had value in an ad hoc world of bargaining perhaps where someone would cover for someone else at a "muster of hands" or someone would carry out another task in exchange! It was surprising what lengths a "hardened bubbly rat" would go to obtain more than his daily ration of "grog"
From what I've heard, the US Navy's policy on alcohol was that a beer ration would be issued if a ship was continuously out at sea for an extended period of time. But I don't recall how long of a time they needed to be out at sea for before this reg took effect.
There's some kind of steel beach party, where if you've been at sea for 45 days straight, they have a bbq picnic on deck, and everyone gets two beers. We had one in the Indian Ocean, USS Midway mid-1970s, but I don't know what the actual regs are, and I expect they change once in a while.
It's ridiculous that we dont allow alcohol in the Air Force or military anymore when you're on deployment. Everyone I knew would have to get it from the British or Germans if they were working with NATO troops.
@@AdamantLightLP Really depends on what role you occupy in the service. Yeah I wouldn't want to be flying a fighter aircraft and have my copilot be wasted lol
Just read Treasure Island (and also watched Treasure Planet after so many years, but that's besides the point), and honestly, the pirates there actually don't seem to drink rum and grog. They do, however, get drunk on wines stolen during their mutiny though, which results in their defeat. In short, am always relieved when pirates in fiction don't drink the stuff for variety's sake. Same with Russians and Russian-esques not drinking bloody vodka.
@@an-animal-lover Who knows, mayhaps it's because vodka was a surplus product that became a primary export from Russia and back, thus giving foreigners the wrong idea. Amusingly, rum is said to be a popular liquor in there and in the Scandinavians.
@@an-animal-lover Again, not exactly sure, but vodka sure isn't likely to be the top brand liquor there, the same way the wine burgundy isn't in France.
I served as a combat engineer in the Canadian Army reserves in the '80s. The Canadian Army Engineers allowed a rum ration on at least one major combat exercise. We handled assault boats and river boats as part of our mission, maybe that was why, I really never found out why.
Gotta say, rum is my favorite. There’s a hint of sweetness since it’s made from sugar cane which turn to molasses, (though taste varies between brand) and good for mixing cocktails. I personally consider rum goes perfectly with Louisiana creole/cajun cuisine. May I recommend Captain Kidd’s Punch?
Rum ration was stopped on Royal Navy ships because it was not conducive to working with sensitive equipment such as radar, sonar, missiles and such. Something for which a clear head was needed.
During WW2 they had to stop nesting British and American destroyers together, the British would make fun of the Americans because they were dry ships, until they found out that the Americans had fresh fruits and vegetables, not to mention Ice Cream. The moral hit to the British Crews was too much.
Supposedly, when the British started refurbishing the 50 destroyers they got from the US at the beginning of WW II, they removed all the ice cream machines as making sailors too soft.
My father served with the Royal Australian Navy from 1945-49. He told me that when the USN and RAN were together in port, the crews would often end up on each other's ships. The American sailors drank on the Australian ships, and the Aussies ate much better on the American ones, especially the icecream
The fact that you showed two of the trailer park boys lobstering with a crown Royal in his hand and called it. The Canadian Navy is just perfection. Because that's how the Canadian Navy is. Unless you piss him off and then that's when like the 16-in rifle gun that they have hiding in the deck comes out
I've commented on your vids before about how much I've learned, but here's a note of gratitude and amazement. Thank you (to a non-British resident) for understanding black adder. Sarcasm and self deprecation at its best. the world wouldn't be the same without Baldrick's dulcet tones.
Aboard RN submarines there is an event called "The Dolphins", a submariner who wishes to participate is giving a full glass of neat Rum with their Dolphins badge in it, the sailor must then down the entire glass in one go and catch the badge on his teeth. If he is successful he then keeps the Dolphin is said to have "earn his Dolphins".
It's still very common in the US Navy that Sailors will have special cups for coffee, that do not get washed on the inside. They build up layers just like you described. The tradition in a way lives on.
Churchill when he was First Lord of the Admiralty. According to 'an ear-witness', he was having trouble with some of his admirals at a strategy meeting. One of them accused him of having impugned the traditions of the Royal Navy, provoking the reply: 'And what are they? They are rum, sodomy and the lash'.
The recipe for authentic grog is the following rhyme: 1 of sour, of sweet, 3 of strong, 4 of weak. Basically 4 part of non alcohol like water, coconut milk/water or tea etcetera & the strong is any hard spirit with the sweet like Molasses or syrup or sugar with usually lemon or lime as the sour though some even used vinegar. My preference is coconut water, Lambs rum, Molasses & lime juice to the ratio cooled water or soda water, Navy Rum, sugar syrup & lime juice in the same ratio is common. Add an aromatic bitter if you like but they didn't do such modern concepts in the past.
They can regulate it all they want it never stopped my father & his unit of marines from drinking. You want to take killers drink away from them as it's not recommended for your health or mental stability. My father out of a twisted sense of humour puts former occupations; among others as (assassin of the crown) as to say it was anything else would be a lie he tells. He was not the patriotic sort seeing it as nothing more then a job & well his job entailed killing people in short. Honestly this idea of militaries being globalized police peace forces is were it all went wrong. A competent professional militaries only purpose is to end the war by direct mean often violent force after negations broke down on the politicians & diplomats end of respective nations. I the leaders that be didn't want a war they should have done their job to avoid it in the 1st place! the often useless opportunist hypocrites in government!
If you have these guys doing their jobs well and for probably way less pay than they deserved, did they really have to take their rum drink away? Its not like they were getting entirely knockered and i'm assuming most of these guys had enough of a tolerance that it would take at least a bottle to even give them a buzz. One drink isn't going to affect their performance. If anything, the tradition would be a point of pride and like one of the sailors said, it was their only social time. Espirit de corps and morale are incredibly important aspects to any organisation, especially military ones. Whitehall dropped the ball on this one
Google says the RN did it because it might hinder sailors' ability to operate increasingly complex weapon systems. I sure don't want someone blitzed as they work on a trident missile.
@@EGRJ And at this point the drinking culture is so far removed, I bet one ration would have your average member very buzzed if not dangerously intoxicated.
There are massive drink problems on British ships. My dad was in the merchant navy and saw a couple of men die from withdrawal and plenty of accidents caused by it. The royal navy still has a reputation for mad drinking and drugging.
Not entirely related but, theres a great portrait of Admiral King in one of the mess halls or ward rooms of the US naval academy where he looks looks as if he's saying "finishing your drink and get back to work you skulkers and layabouts." Admiral King was a famously hard drinker in his off hours, but was also very strict about drinking on duty. There are stories of him severely disciplining men for drinking on duty during the day, whom would later be drinking with him merely after hours.
Back in rhe day, used to serve Rum..with blackcurrant juice, and Italian ,and these days..and coke, not the marching powder, one eighth of a pint works for me....!!.. for us landlubbers, a hipflask or three was very handy, the target ( s ) only looked in two dimensions...slainte...cheers me hearties...😅😅😅...ooo... arrr...E...
In the Royal Navy you’re actually issued 3 cans per day, but it’s very rare to drink, se we always had many crates available when we wanted a proper drink, there was only 12 of us in our mess and every sailor pays a minor fee for each beer and this goes towards buying things needed for the mess, like a new TV or music system etc.
I worked with a dude who was in the Coast Guard in the 90's and he said he was even deployed. He told me at lunch time they allowed two beers but sometimes up to four.
The strength of rum and gin is supposed to be based on it being mixed with gunpowder and the power will still,light. You can get navy strength Plymouth gin here in the uk cost fifty quid like but god it’s good and makes a lovely pink gin. (Pink gin - Plymouth gin not London gin mixed with water soda or tonic and added to a glass with the angostura bitter around the glass. ‘In’ leaves the bitter residue in and ‘out’ means you poor the rest away. Lemon rind is added - nice drink).
Never was in the Navy, but always called the Sea Cadets "anchor crankers" while we were in our loft Air Cadet perch, lol! However later when I became a wooden boat builder I did gravitate to rum for some reason. Being Canadian, but trained in the USA, I never did get into the Trailer Park Boys and Ricky's perpetual rum and coke in one hand... Another interesting video JJ. Cheers! ;^)
@@eamonnclabby7067 about grog? And limes? Yeah , I use to live in Port Aransas and all the restaurants had a basically pirate theme about "no grog for the kids" But in fairness what's your take?
My grandfather served aboard the uss Ticonderoga during wwii and told me that the sailors would often take 180 grain proof alcohol and stale bread to distill it then mix the friggin alcohol with TORPEDO fuel and the alcohol was so strong it would supposedly dilute the fuel the sailors used and then...they'd drink it but im not sure how accurate my info is ( he passed away in 2001)
The torpedo fuel is the thing filtered through the loaf of bread to extract the 180-proof alcohol, which is then watered down to about 75 to 100 proof with pineapple juice. I’ve actually made this recipe myself (using Everclear for the alcohol), it burns like hell but is also surprisingly sweet due to the juice.
During my first float we had a beer day after Somalia and 63 days at sea. I went up on the flight deck, drank my two cans of beer then, went back to work; sitting in front of T*****L on duty buzzed serving on an LPH; the goode Shifp Guadalcanal, may she rest in peace.
I'm certainly not a sailor, and don't care much for rum. I would fight like hell to be given a daily ration if good American Bourbon! Another great video Johnny!👍
When Admiral Lord Nelson was killed at Trafalgar, his body was placed in a barrel of rum to preserve it for the voyage back to England. On the way, some of the sailors tapped the barrel and drank the contents, enjoying "one last drink with the Admiral'. For this reason, rum is also sometimes known as "Nelson's Blood".
That was a good little video. Was grog one of the first "cocktails"? Rum, lime juice, cane sugar and water. Sounds a bit like a mojito? I like a drop of Pusser's mind.
When I was in the German Navy the rule was two 0,5 liter cans of beer per day and man. This could be exceeded on some occasions like the after midnight watch beer where people who did something stupid in the past rotation were expected to buy beers for the half watch and people traded their 2 cans to others on occasion. I did often. Also splice the Mainbrace is a thing after major events like exercises and the first glass of rum goes overboard as a libation
It would be interesting if you made a vid about Shellback Ceremony/Wog Day. My co-worker was in the Navy back in the 90's and his experience of Wog Day described as "11 hours of pure torture."
The modern Royal Navy ration may be 3 cans per day, but this rule is widely and openly flouted. Most messdecks do a large communal purchase when ashore, and literally any available space filled with cans of beer. Want one, crack one -- any time of day. Just don't get caught munted, especially on duty. When you're working a 6 hours on 6 hours off for months on end "day drinking" and "night drinking" lose all relevance, and the sun is always over the yardarm somewhere. After all, booze is one of the sailor's three main vices. Flogging stopped when Disraeli was PM. Most Wrens (female sailors) onboard are either getting jiggy with each other, PTIs or hofficers and there's only so many times you can yank your yoghurt cannon per day before you start to chafe something awful. So that just leaves drinking.
wasn't Admiral Vernon ( the person George Washington's home was named after ) called "Old Grog" .. he was an advocate of the daily rum ration , and a popular officer.
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"It takes 300 years to create a tradition, but only 5 minutes to destroy it." That quote is what comes to mind whenever the story of the British ending their Rum ration comes up.
Isn't that everything? Buildings can be constructed for at least a hundred years, only to be demolished in just a hundred seconds.
Some non descript bastard of a civil servants pen can kill a way of life infinitely quicker than any plague or army
We no longer get people walking around with a bucket and shovel to pick up horse manure either. Things change.
unlike USN ships on RN ships the sailors can drink alcohol. it was no longer needed to supply a rum ration in the 1970's ..
That is really something and good video who knows what others to go through next since these days there's so many topics to choose from. Though for a few may want to look into Mi-24 Hind, the old dinosaur T-54/55, Stinger, AK-47, MIG Jets and B-52 bomber are a few parts to look into.
My uncle was serving on board a Royal Navy ship on the day they stopped the rum ration. He said it was a major occasion, like a wake with all of the frills. Despite his relative gentility, he cursed them out for doing so and continued to have his nightly rum until his death 4 decades later.
Takes a special kind of idiot to idolize an alcoholic in a melancholic story about a man struggling with addiction. Wild.
@@T3DNR3DTakes a special kind of idiot to randomly accuse people of alcoholism too, from which part of that comment did you see a man struggling with addictions? Wild.
@@imadeanaccounttocomment7800 i mean no disrespect but having something every day kinda hints to addiction to me, at least in some capacity. additionally the part of a gentle mannered man getting angry over something so trivial. also alcohol is bad
@@glizzygulper8948 Hinting to and definitely indicating are very different. And alcohol is only bad if consumed excessively. The body can deal with small quantities just fine. We even have an enzyme that evolved just for that: alcohol dehydrogenase.
@@glizzygulper8948 Three hundred years of tradition cannot be described as trivial and this applies exponentially to the military where the tradition is pretty much the entire identity. Now sure some sailors in the 70’s would have been mad that they are not getting alcohol but most of them are probably just mad that something they are used to and a proud tradition is now gone. And if we use common sense instead of accusing everyone to be idiots like the first guy you will probably realise that you can’t be an alcoholic battling addictions and a sailor in the Royal Navy at the same time. At least not in the 70’s.
Of note: When the US Navy Abolished the alcohol ration during Prohibition, it was replaced (on larger ships) with ice cream, which proved so popular it was continued alongside the re-introduced alcohol ration following the abolition of prohibition.
Sailers were noted to have even raided the ice cream storage on their way off the sinking USS Lexington CV-2 in the second world war, which motivated the US Navy to commission a dedicated Ice-cream producing barge able to supply ice cream to the crews of ships too small to have onboard production facilities, as well as land facilities, and even many ashore marines.
I want an ice-cream factory on a barge wtf
i don't drink, so I'd prefer ice cream over alcohol easily
@@smaptey1 "I want an ice-cream factory on a barge wtf" - Unidentified Imperial Japanese Soldier, Okinawa, 1945
Alcohol was prohibited in the US Navy in 1914, 6 years before Prohibition. It's yet another reason to despise Woodrow Wilson.
I bet rum and raisin ice cream would be popular
"a good sea story never started with an apple juice" ... wise words man.
That was not rum Blackadder was drinking but an exotic wine, which he thoughtfully brought back a nearly inexaustable supply for Lord Melchett and Sir Walter Raleigh.
🥸🤣
How dare he...!!! ...questions will be asked at the highest level...as opposed to low...😅😅😅
Now that's taking the Porter
It had a familiar nose 😉
Blackadder had his own extremely strong ale anyway.
Speaking of beer spoiling, IPAs were invented specifically to allow British troops stationed in India to drink on the cheap.
BTW, the word "groggy" is derived from grog.
In my early yesr we use to say IPA = I Pee Anywhere.
I used to brew my own version of Indian Pale Ale...slainte...E...😅😅😅
I always wonder, was there any IPA between the Raj and Hipsters? As a non brit I just don't know
@@JGCR59 Good question. I'm not a beer connoisseur, but I first started noticing them here in the US in the 90s.
I liked that I could leave a bottle open overnight and a swig in the morning was no better or worse than freshly opened. Great stomach settler, too.
@@JGCR59always been pretty common among ale drinkers in britain and not really a hipster wanker thing, its more a cheap option. I used to drink it as a first pint because its light on the stomach but aley stuff gets a bit too heavy on the taste after a few so changed over to cider after. Can get cans of greene king from the shop for cheap as well which is IPA and certainly not middle class hipster or real ale twat territory
My father was in the R.N. for most of World War II. Very few ORs took the money rather than the rum. Petty officers got theirs neat but AFAIK at that time, officers did not have a rum ration, they drank in the wardroom and were charged - not for what they drank, but for a share of what everyone drank. That was one of the reasons why my dad turned down officer training, he really couldn't afford the mess bills. Hoarding rum was against regulations and there were stories of people who hoarded enough to kill themselves with, although I suspect that's probably a bit apocryphal. If you owed someone a debt, you could repay it sometimes by "sippers" - a small swallow of your rum. I never really developed a taste for neat run but dad liked it to the end of his days. Every Christmas I'd buy him a bottle of "pussers" rum which was allegedly made to the naval formula.
No Sippers was The way you took your rum.
You were either a slippers man or a gulpers man.
"In the Royal Navy the daily rum ration was used as a kind of currency on board ship and was termed "sippers and gulpers". If you did a mate on board a favour you could claim sippers and gulpers from the next ration."
"In the days when tots of rum were issued, it was commonplace for sailors to pledge a portion of their rum ration to another shipmate, possibly to settle a debt. The donor would indicate how much he was allowing the other to take with one of the following phrases: "Sippers" - Take a Sip. "Gulpers" - Take a Gulp. "Sandy Bottoms" - Drink it all."
I remember that the tot was used as currency for favors etc.. you could have “sippers” or “gulpers” depending on the size of the favor
It was watered so it could not be saved . I remember having sippers of my brothers neat tot and that it warmed me for some time. Good times!!!"
"In addition, many favours could be obtained with the "tot", in so much, that it became a form of currency ie "sippers", "gulpers", "three fingers" and a "tot" all had value in an ad hoc world of bargaining perhaps where someone would cover for someone else at a "muster of hands" or someone would carry out another task in exchange! It was surprising what lengths a "hardened bubbly rat" would go to obtain more than his daily ration of "grog"
Thanks Johnny! Yet another interesting video. : )
From what I've heard, the US Navy's policy on alcohol was that a beer ration would be issued if a ship was continuously out at sea for an extended period of time. But I don't recall how long of a time they needed to be out at sea for before this reg took effect.
There's some kind of steel beach party, where if you've been at sea for 45 days straight, they have a bbq picnic on deck, and everyone gets two beers. We had one in the Indian Ocean, USS Midway mid-1970s, but I don't know what the actual regs are, and I expect they change once in a while.
It's ridiculous that we dont allow alcohol in the Air Force or military anymore when you're on deployment. Everyone I knew would have to get it from the British or Germans if they were working with NATO troops.
Too right friend. Especially if you've completed all your work and dug in. Knowing you're going to be doing nothing but wait for like 10 hours haha.
Air force and alcohol sounds like a very bad mix.
@@AdamantLightLP Really depends on what role you occupy in the service. Yeah I wouldn't want to be flying a fighter aircraft and have my copilot be wasted lol
@@AdamantLightLP You've clearly never spent any time around the Air Force...
It was always painful having a smoke outside the DFAC and watching all the Americans double-fisting Budweisers when all we could get was near-beer...
"The words Rum and Death should mean the same thing to you"
I absolutely love your videos, keep it up! :] ♡
Love the content and by the way, a video on the Chinook would be awesome
Great video! Just wondering if you could do a video on the M50 Ontos in movies?
Massive shout out to Johnny for having seen Yellow Beard!
Hands off my gold!
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Well done, Johnny! Very well researched! 😃
Just read Treasure Island (and also watched Treasure Planet after so many years, but that's besides the point), and honestly, the pirates there actually don't seem to drink rum and grog.
They do, however, get drunk on wines stolen during their mutiny though, which results in their defeat.
In short, am always relieved when pirates in fiction don't drink the stuff for variety's sake. Same with Russians and Russian-esques not drinking bloody vodka.
Where did the Russian Vodka stereotype come from?
@@an-animal-lover Who knows, mayhaps it's because vodka was a surplus product that became a primary export from Russia and back, thus giving foreigners the wrong idea.
Amusingly, rum is said to be a popular liquor in there and in the Scandinavians.
@@michaelandreipalon359 "rum is said to be a popular liquor there" really? That'd interesting
@@an-animal-lover Again, not exactly sure, but vodka sure isn't likely to be the top brand liquor there, the same way the wine burgundy isn't in France.
Rum can also be a catch all term in the navy and army. Often rum was actually whisky or even gin, especially in ww1 army.
I served as a combat engineer in the Canadian Army reserves in the '80s. The Canadian Army Engineers allowed a rum ration on at least one major combat exercise. We handled assault boats and river boats as part of our mission, maybe that was why, I really never found out why.
Gotta say, rum is my favorite. There’s a hint of sweetness since it’s made from sugar cane which turn to molasses, (though taste varies between brand) and good for mixing cocktails.
I personally consider rum goes perfectly with Louisiana creole/cajun cuisine.
May I recommend Captain Kidd’s Punch?
“And the buccaneers drowned their sins in rum. The Devil himself would have to call them scum.” Muppet Treasure Island.
A bit of Trailer Park Boys in there??
Nice Johnny... nice. 👍🏽
2:05 "Drunk on rum???! I'll have you knaw I am not rum from anyone, sah!"
Rum ration was stopped on Royal Navy ships because it was not conducive to working with sensitive equipment such as radar, sonar, missiles and such. Something for which a clear head was needed.
During WW2 they had to stop nesting British and American destroyers together, the British would make fun of the Americans because they were dry ships, until they found out that the Americans had fresh fruits and vegetables, not to mention Ice Cream.
The moral hit to the British Crews was too much.
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Supposedly, when the British started refurbishing the 50 destroyers they got from the US at the beginning of WW II, they removed all the ice cream machines as making sailors too soft.
My father served with the Royal Australian Navy from 1945-49. He told me that when the USN and RAN were together in port, the crews would often end up on each other's ships. The American sailors drank on the Australian ships, and the Aussies ate much better on the American ones, especially the icecream
@@ryanelcock948 It was a book on the Battle of the Atlantic that I read twenty or twenty-five years ago, so I can't give you a name.
The fact that you showed two of the trailer park boys lobstering with a crown Royal in his hand and called it. The Canadian Navy is just perfection. Because that's how the Canadian Navy is. Unless you piss him off and then that's when like the 16-in rifle gun that they have hiding in the deck comes out
I've commented on your vids before about how much I've learned, but here's a note of gratitude and amazement.
Thank you (to a non-British resident) for understanding black adder. Sarcasm and self deprecation at its best. the world wouldn't be the same without Baldrick's dulcet tones.
I was actually born in the UK. My dad made Blackadder compulsory viewing. Good man for it too.
Aboard RN submarines there is an event called "The Dolphins", a submariner who wishes to participate is giving a full glass of neat Rum with their Dolphins badge in it, the sailor must then down the entire glass in one go and catch the badge on his teeth. If he is successful he then keeps the Dolphin is said to have "earn his Dolphins".
It's still very common in the US Navy that Sailors will have special cups for coffee, that do not get washed on the inside. They build up layers just like you described. The tradition in a way lives on.
Pussar's is the way to go, lad. A fine rum, with a rich heritage.
Churchill when he was First Lord of the Admiralty. According to 'an ear-witness', he was having trouble with some of his admirals at a strategy meeting. One of them accused him of having impugned the traditions of the Royal Navy, provoking the reply: 'And what are they? They are rum, sodomy and the lash'.
"Rum and death. These should mean the same thing to you" -some chad doctor
"Blackout stout please!"
Why's the rum gone?!
funny how drinking traditions differ from branches. For example you can drink as much as you want in the army; just don't get caught.
The recipe for authentic grog is the following rhyme:
1 of sour, of sweet, 3 of strong, 4 of weak.
Basically 4 part of non alcohol like water, coconut milk/water or tea etcetera & the strong is any hard spirit with the sweet like Molasses or syrup or sugar with usually lemon or lime as the sour though some even used vinegar.
My preference is coconut water, Lambs rum, Molasses & lime juice to the ratio
cooled water or soda water, Navy Rum, sugar syrup & lime juice in the same ratio is common.
Add an aromatic bitter if you like but they didn't do such modern concepts in the past.
They can regulate it all they want it never stopped my father & his unit of marines from drinking.
You want to take killers drink away from them as it's not recommended for your health or mental stability.
My father out of a twisted sense of humour puts former occupations; among others as (assassin of the crown) as to say it was anything else would be a lie he tells.
He was not the patriotic sort seeing it as nothing more then a job & well his job entailed killing people in short.
Honestly this idea of militaries being globalized police peace forces is were it all went wrong.
A competent professional militaries only purpose is to end the war by direct mean often violent force after negations broke down on the politicians & diplomats end of respective nations.
I the leaders that be didn't want a war they should have done their job to avoid it in the 1st place! the often useless opportunist hypocrites in government!
RUM IS YUMMYYYY
“Grog”, is still a very popular colloquial term here in Australia, used to refer to literally any drink with an alcoholic content.
Really interesting. A fine piece of history
If you have these guys doing their jobs well and for probably way less pay than they deserved, did they really have to take their rum drink away? Its not like they were getting entirely knockered and i'm assuming most of these guys had enough of a tolerance that it would take at least a bottle to even give them a buzz. One drink isn't going to affect their performance. If anything, the tradition would be a point of pride and like one of the sailors said, it was their only social time. Espirit de corps and morale are incredibly important aspects to any organisation, especially military ones. Whitehall dropped the ball on this one
Google says the RN did it because it might hinder sailors' ability to operate increasingly complex weapon systems. I sure don't want someone blitzed as they work on a trident missile.
@@EGRJ And at this point the drinking culture is so far removed, I bet one ration would have your average member very buzzed if not dangerously intoxicated.
There are massive drink problems on British ships. My dad was in the merchant navy and saw a couple of men die from withdrawal and plenty of accidents caused by it. The royal navy still has a reputation for mad drinking and drugging.
@@ThommyofThennthe british drinking culture hasnt changed at all, its still terrible.
@@Ukraineaissance2014 that's messed up for any one to see. Makes more sense now that it's frowned upon
I got this one rum while in Italy, aged for 18 years, it’s a navy rum as well, cost $300. No idea when I’m gonna drink that
“But why is the rum gone”?
- Jack Sparrow
I drank it all....hic...!!!
@@eamonnclabby7067 Why’d you drink all the rum?!?
Not entirely related but, theres a great portrait of Admiral King in one of the mess halls or ward rooms of the US naval academy where he looks looks as if he's saying "finishing your drink and get back to work you skulkers and layabouts."
Admiral King was a famously hard drinker in his off hours, but was also very strict about drinking on duty. There are stories of him severely disciplining men for drinking on duty during the day, whom would later be drinking with him merely after hours.
Can't wait to hear the history of coffee and tea in armies!
Back in rhe day, used to serve Rum..with blackcurrant juice, and Italian ,and these days..and coke, not the marching powder, one eighth of a pint works for me....!!.. for us landlubbers, a hipflask or three was very handy, the target ( s ) only looked in two dimensions...slainte...cheers me hearties...😅😅😅...ooo... arrr...E...
In the Royal Navy you’re actually issued 3 cans per day, but it’s very rare to drink, se we always had many crates available when we wanted a proper drink, there was only 12 of us in our mess and every sailor pays a minor fee for each beer and this goes towards buying things needed for the mess, like a new TV or music system etc.
I worked with a dude who was in the Coast Guard in the 90's and he said he was even deployed. He told me at lunch time they allowed two beers but sometimes up to four.
Or the old Australian Army joke about the beer ration in the Vietnam War days....Two cans per man perhaps.
@@bigbrowntau a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do to get through the day especially during a stressful time like that, no shame at all.
@@ryanh4775 Yeah it was more about the Army's failure at providing the ration at times
Will Turner: "Load the rum!"
Other pirates: *ponders death in preference to no rum*
The strength of rum and gin is supposed to be based on it being mixed with gunpowder and the power will still,light. You can get navy strength Plymouth gin here in the uk cost fifty quid like but god it’s good and makes a lovely pink gin. (Pink gin - Plymouth gin not London gin mixed with water soda or tonic and added to a glass with the angostura bitter around the glass. ‘In’ leaves the bitter residue in and ‘out’ means you poor the rest away. Lemon rind is added - nice drink).
Never was in the Navy, but always called the Sea Cadets "anchor crankers" while we were in our loft Air Cadet perch, lol! However later when I became a wooden boat builder I did gravitate to rum for some reason. Being Canadian, but trained in the USA, I never did get into the Trailer Park Boys and Ricky's perpetual rum and coke in one hand... Another interesting video JJ. Cheers! ;^)
Yo Johnny do a review on the arisaka rifles its was the best rifle of ww2 🇯🇵
Does that rifle is also great ? Besides katana as backups
British: We have rum!
Americans: We have ice cream!
Pusser's Gunpowder Proof is my rum of choice and is the Royal Navy's original rum. It goes great neat!
Very interesting, thanks!
“The words ‘rum’ and ‘death’ should mean the same thing to you.”
Unfun fact: The old English pirate jargon for dead bodies was "empty bottles" (because their "spirits" left them)
IIRC, The Canadian Navy still had the beer vending machines on board the ship's mess up until about 2015.
Oh man this puts so many myths to bed! Good video!
But are they really myths....?
@@eamonnclabby7067 about grog? And limes? Yeah , I use to live in Port Aransas and all the restaurants had a basically pirate theme about "no grog for the kids"
But in fairness what's your take?
My grandfather served aboard the uss Ticonderoga during wwii and told me that the sailors would often take 180 grain proof alcohol and stale bread to distill it then mix the friggin alcohol with TORPEDO fuel and the alcohol was so strong it would supposedly dilute the fuel the sailors used and then...they'd drink it but im not sure how accurate my info is ( he passed away in 2001)
The torpedo fuel is the thing filtered through the loaf of bread to extract the 180-proof alcohol, which is then watered down to about 75 to 100 proof with pineapple juice. I’ve actually made this recipe myself (using Everclear for the alcohol), it burns like hell but is also surprisingly sweet due to the juice.
@@Shaun_Jones thank you for the clarification
I like how Julian and Bubbles represent Canadian Royal Navy lol
Beer ration in the Royal Australian Navy: two cans per man per day … perhaps. 😁
Same during the Falklands....
During my first float we had a beer day after Somalia and 63 days at sea. I went up on the flight deck, drank my two cans of beer then, went back to work; sitting in front of T*****L on duty buzzed serving on an LPH; the goode Shifp Guadalcanal, may she rest in peace.
I'm certainly not a sailor, and don't care much for rum. I would fight like hell to be given a daily ration if good American Bourbon! Another great video Johnny!👍
A pub on a carrier yeah why not.
Well, there was that Shark Team pub on Girls und Panzer das Finale's Oarai schoolship.
"Oy, that's my grog."
talk about the ww2 german VK 16.02 Leopard
When Admiral Lord Nelson was killed at Trafalgar, his body was placed in a barrel of rum to preserve it for the voyage back to England. On the way, some of the sailors tapped the barrel and drank the contents, enjoying "one last drink with the Admiral'. For this reason, rum is also sometimes known as "Nelson's Blood".
In WW1 British Commonwealth troops drunk rum from S.R.D. yars.
All for my grog, my jolly jolly grog.
That was a good little video. Was grog one of the first "cocktails"? Rum, lime juice, cane sugar and water. Sounds a bit like a mojito? I like a drop of Pusser's mind.
I was thinking they might mention Grog Strongjaw from Critical Role.
The US did get ice cream instead of alcohol, and it was quite sought after.
fuck dude I remember a few nights with Lamb's 151 and a couple of other accessories - somehow
Two cans per day, per man, perhaps... RAN.
When I was in the German Navy the rule was two 0,5 liter cans of beer per day and man. This could be exceeded on some occasions like the after midnight watch beer where people who did something stupid in the past rotation were expected to buy beers for the half watch and people traded their 2 cans to others on occasion. I did often. Also splice the Mainbrace is a thing after major events like exercises and the first glass of rum goes overboard as a libation
Perfect video.
I have a "Beer Chit" from WW2 that belonged to a WW2 LST sailor
It would be interesting if you made a vid about Shellback Ceremony/Wog Day. My co-worker was in the Navy back in the 90's and his experience of Wog Day described as "11 hours of pure torture."
Yellow beard The best age of sail movie
Nothing says "Ye olde crew" like shanties and a round of grog for every man.
The black adder reference was hilarious 😂🤣
I remember all episodes. The came back to England with exotic wine 😱😱 and served to the queen 👻👻👻
Not a sailor but as a fellow operater of heavy machinery i still take my daily ration of a pint of rum
It so happened that I watched this video on a July 31st, the Black Tot Day :)
"Away away with a fie and drum. Here we com full of rum". Not to many know the term "Piss Up". Let's all go and have a Piss Up at the Boozer.
WHY IS THE RUM GONE!
The modern Royal Navy ration may be 3 cans per day, but this rule is widely and openly flouted. Most messdecks do a large communal purchase when ashore, and literally any available space filled with cans of beer. Want one, crack one -- any time of day. Just don't get caught munted, especially on duty.
When you're working a 6 hours on 6 hours off for months on end "day drinking" and "night drinking" lose all relevance, and the sun is always over the yardarm somewhere. After all, booze is one of the sailor's three main vices. Flogging stopped when Disraeli was PM. Most Wrens (female sailors) onboard are either getting jiggy with each other, PTIs or hofficers and there's only so many times you can yank your yoghurt cannon per day before you start to chafe something awful. So that just leaves drinking.
Colorful and informative 👌
wow that’s amazing
The RN still issue rum on special occasions. A 'Splice the Main brace' and The King's birthday.
Better than the swish
wasn't Admiral Vernon ( the person George Washington's home was named after ) called "Old Grog" .. he was an advocate of the daily rum ration , and a popular officer.
I wonder if that's where the word "Groggy" comes from.
Hopefully they will restore it for space travel.
Redrum Red Rum Rumpty Dumpty .
Why is all the rum gone?
Man, my time aboard U S carriers would've been much better if I could've had an allowed ration after shift.
Australia's first currency.
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Smoke and oakum is another
Those Royal Navy sailors are drunk even before the daily ration is handed out 😮
3:48 where gunpowder is stored?
Technically, pirates & the royal navy are the 1st mixologists!