This was very informative and just what I needed to know! I'm glad that you covered the house PA speaker tuning portion. Thats something that gets easily overlooked.
Thanks man! This is another issue I’ve been having I have the outputs to the live stream maxed out and can’t get enough volume on the stream, today is service so I won’t mess with it today. But tomorrow I’m going at it! You’ve got another subscriber!
Thanks for your excellent videos, sir! Most people I know gain an X32 around -18 and that’s how we’ve been doing it too. Gonna have to try your method of gaining things a little hotter.
Hey Dave, once again your explanations are spot on. I run a private FB group that is dedicated to the X32 Rack combined with the S16 stage boxes. I will place this video in the announcements as I am constantly preaching you must start with proper gain structure. Be Blessed. Dana.
Thanks for the encouragement. Feel free to ask questions as you learn. I’m always in the comment section and have a number of videos I’m working on next so stay tuned.
Definitely the videos I was looking for! I did have a sound company do the install and apparently there are a lot of parameters attached to the gain that they set. I’m having a hard time turning the amp down and turning my gain up without having other issues. I think I need to see exactly how they set it up before I make adjustments I can save and use.
That is pretty typical and with most systems now a days there is a DSP involved and digital interfaces so it’s not as easy as an old-school two channel amp you can turn up or down. Best thing you can do is set good gain structure and keep your faders close to unity and then keep your main output down based on your room volume. Then run your stream through a Matrix or AUX to keep the level up for your stream. Good luck with it all.
That's funny when I watch video like this, I know already about gain structure and other stuff, and then inside all those 16-minute-long video there is this very little 2 second information I totally forgot… "Pre-Fader Matrix send" :D I don't know how I wasn't aware of that! I know I can setup sends to bus as pre or post fader, but never realized I could do the same with matrix sends lol. THANK YOU
I’m proud of you for watching a video that you KNEW was about gain structure. Most people brush it off as something they already have under control. Keep doing great things.
@@AllamHouse I'm watching videos like that to get my knowledge better because there still may be some things I am missing, and - in this case - there was one :D
Love your videos Dave. I admit I need to break them down into steps to fully get a grasp on whats being shared. Our stream levels are low, and start distorting when turned up . When I try to set gain with fader on 0, the volume increases too much. I fear the amp is set too high, and will have to be tuned. Thanks again.
Yes, this is a common issue. Turn your main and input faders down some, then set your gain properly. Pull your input fader up close to 0 and then turn your main fader up to an appropriate level for your venue. Ideally, you would have your amps set so that your normal running level on the main fader is between 0 and -5.
You have been more than too helpful to a young sound guy like myself...can you do a tutorial on Vocal EQ, and instruments EQ too. Finally! Must I back up my settings before I can do the new update on the X32?
Yeas. Before you upgrade the firmware, save your scene to the console so you can recall it after the upgrade. Your current settings and IP Address (in settings > network) will be removed. If you save your scene you can recall it and then renter your IP and everything will be good to go.
Thanks again for another great video. For someone such as myself new to audio technology, there is a lot to learn.:) At 7:16 in this video, there is a gain image shown on the screen, with mention made that "gain is a plus 51." How does this relate dB gain set earlier with the gain knob. I believe that turning the main gain knob will also change the "plus 51" value. Can I use the "plus 51" value to reset my mic gain to that point, if that's what I want, without redoing the actual mic check and setting the gain will receiving mic input? Hope that makes sense, and thank you in advance.
Yes, it is the same information in multiple places that all relate to the same Gain. We can set gain using the main knob on the top left of the console or using the knobs below the screen if you are on the correct screen. As you turn either of these knobs the number (51 that I stated) would adjust. If you save your scene or a preset for a specific input, this Gain value will be stored and recalled.
Hi, first and foremost, thank you very much for all your videos. Really helpful, well and easy explained, I'm learning a lot. My question is regarding wich db level of gain is a good place to start. You state that -9 dB is that one, but I've listen in other videos around TH-cam people claiming that -18 dB must be the sweet spot to start with... What do you think about that? Is not so much gain for every chanel to raise up to - 9 db? Specially when many channels are involved... Thanks by advance for your response and sorry If i'm wrong with my point.
This is a great question and I might make a video out of this soon. The industry standard in home recording and most other devices is the -18 dB. The tools in this desk tend to respond better to a higher gain structure and I find for my volunteers that I have them shoot for the -10 (as a peak) for each input while looking at the Home > Config tab for any specific channel. This gives us plenty of gain to work with coming into the board and we have enough material to build solid Bus mixes, monitors and our house mix. One last thing to consider is that the output of this board is set to push (while reading 0dB) at -6dB which is a different video production standard so if you build a great mix that only touches -6dB on the output meter, it will result in final broadcast at -12dB and might sound too quiet. I hope that helps.
Hi Dave! I want to thank you for all your videos - especially the ones on gain structure and streaming. I’m a pastor of a small church and figuring this stuff out on my own (just another thing not taught at seminary!) In my church we have powered (active) speakers as our mains without amps. So if I set the gain structure correctly and set the faders to unity on the channels and the mains, the sound in the room is way too loud. When I follow all your other instructions for the gain knob and the faders, I have to set my mains way down (not close to unity). Do you have another recommendation for those of us who do not have an amplifier to turn down and no volume control on the speakers? Thanks again for all your videos. So very helpful!!!
You are troubleshooting your way into the best option for you at this point. Ideally, you would go to the actual speakers (which have volumes on the back of them) and turn them down all the way. This is similar to an amp, but you have to touch each speaker. Then, set your main fader and turn each speaker up an equal amount (say 20%) and see how the level is, adjust up or down equally as needed. It is more complicated with multiple speakers and even more complicated if they are mounted up high. The temporary solution is to adjust your main fader down low. This allows your gain to be correct, your input faders to be correct (near unity) and your stream is happy. The room would come last and would be managed by the main fader which effectively is acting as a limiter on some level to keep the room volume at a manageable level. Good luck and send over other questions when they come up.
Hi Dave! Thanks again for this help. As a pastor of a small church you have provided such a wonderful assistance. For the last 3 weeks our streams have sounded SO MUCH BETTER! Yay! Your last response to me got me to thinking… is there a way to put a limiter on my main speakers so I can turn the main FOH slider up to unity? (Again just to remind, we have active FOH speakers so no amplifier to adjust and there is no volume adjustment on the floor speakers themselves. So when we get our gain structure right and have all the faders where they should be, we have to turn the mains way low to not overwhelm the space.) Thanks once again, my brother in Christ… and in sound!
If you set the gain way to high… dont you have feedback problems on your Wedges on stage ? Thank you and congratulations for your Channel…. Greatings from colombia !
You want to set the gain properly on the board… this might make things really loud so I usually do this after turning the mains down and monitors way down (or off). Then, I set my fader close to unity (0) and then bring the master fader up as needed for the room. If the room is too loud you might need to turn down the amplifiers to your house speakers so the board is working at its best settings and the speakers and amplifiers are set to what the room needs. Once the gain is set and the mains are set properly I then move to setting monitors. Keep in mind that monitors (specifically wedges) are only to supplement what the stage needs and should be set 3rd in this process. This video discusses my 4 step process th-cam.com/video/XfvsoBve10I/w-d-xo.html
I have an X32 Compact and turbosound iQ peakers. My problem is that my stream is not loud enough. I used your tutor for a matrix stream. I just can't figure out how to raise the volume separately from the mains.
The short version is use the compressor on the Matrix and then use a Limiter as the last thing in the chain before it goes out to the Stream. If you watch the end of this video I discuss the limiter. th-cam.com/video/pMnaiuC55RY/w-d-xo.html
Great video... thanks! PROBLEM: I applied a moderate amount of compression to the pastor's the lavalier mic. While it succeeded in reducing her dynamic range making it more controllable, it also amplified a lot of room noise. Would you use a noise gate to take care of that problem or is there another way to go?
This is common with lav mics. They are Omni directional and will pick up everything. I would try to get the mic closer to the mouth... usually about the 3rd button down on a standard button-up shirt. Your experience is what pushed most people to move to over-ear mics.
Thank you!! Question? After your video, I want to bring my main volume to unity, but that will be to loud. Do you suggest I bring down the volume on my amp?
Yes, ideally you would run your main fader at unity or just below. If it is too loud in your room, turn the amps down on your mains to accommodate your needs.
We followed step by step your video on how to set up the matrix and this video and we still do not have a signal going to the Wirecast for livestream.Do you have any suggestions?
This is usually an audio setting on the computer. If you are on Windows you need to go to Settings>Microphone and allow apps to connect to the mic. If you are on MAC go to Preferences>Security>Microphone and then check the Privacy tab.
Hey Dave. One question. If we're mixing on a x32 rack with an ipad, in our case do we also try to get the gain to '-9' or should this be adjusted to a digital indicator?
You can find my pastors settings in this video here. The description has a quick link to get to the appropriate spot in the video. th-cam.com/video/E5xyJXaliMg/w-d-xo.html
When setting up my gain structure, I pushed up the gain on a vocal mic like you were saying. I did this with nothing in the monitors or house, just listening PFL, but then when I started mixing, it felt like the mic was just too hot. I ended up during the service just pulling the gain down to survive
This is best done with some multitracks, in an empty room, while you can test/tune and mess things up. In the end, you want to get this right because the correct gain setting will make everything else work properly. Keep going and do the hard work of getting it right... you'l be happy in the long run.
@@AllamHouse thanks! I have a hunch that the condenser mics on the piano may have been the culprit that day. But while I'm asking, X32 only has 4 band on the channel eq. How do you use it to ring out mics but still have anything left to work with for tuning their vocals?
We only run In Ear Monitors (IEM) so we do not have to ring out mics. I personally EQ everything for my live stream and then adjust the house as needed with buses, but usually it is fine. You do have some graphic EQ's available in the FX racks (5-8) that you can use as insert FX and since they are stereo (or dual) FX you can support two inputs on one FX rack.
Bot specific to the P2, but this video describes the process for setting up a monitor. You would then connect an XLR cable from the console (Output that aligns with tour MixBUS) or from an output on your digital stage box to the P2. Plug in some IEM, turn it on and you are good to go.
Right after I posted the comment I realized I just need to set it up as a monitor and followed what you had in the Monitor video!! Thank you, your videos have been so much help
The goal is to Tuen your amps down to fit what you need. Set gain properly, set fader near 0, set main to -5, set amps to get desired dB level in the room.
Hey there, I’m located in Richmond, VA. I do consulting and we can work through your challenges. Go to AllamHouse.com (click SOUND) and then use my contact card. We can exchange numbers and get things started.
When trying to follow this video to boost my signal .... it's way to loud in the auditorium. Do I need to reduce the power at the powered speakers, in order to get my levels up without overwhelming the room?
Yes, the process is to 1) set the board how you want it 2) turn the main fader to -5 3) set the amp level to suit your venue The -5 at the main offers you some headroom in case it’s needed and the speakers (obviously) could be raised if needed. In a perfect world you would then RTA the room for the desired slope/curve and use EQ to adjust.
@@AllamHouse Amazing video! We are also having this issue at our church for live streaming... having the gain up super high to get good level into the desk, so it can send a good level to our live stream mix bus, but then it being way to hot going into the main LR. Our main speakers are active and don’t have any adjustment on them. Do you recommend running the main LR fader at say -20dB and all the inputs at unity with high gain to make sure the live stream mix is a good quality?
What is the problem when I select my house output channel and the config / preamp meter is lighting up the clip light? However, none of the individual channels are clipping.
The main LR Bus (or any other Bus or Matrix) is the Sun of all its inputs. You will hear the term ‘headroom’ often in the mixing industry and this is talking about the amount of room you have left, before clipping as you are adding inputs into a mix. So, one inout might have you at -18db, then a second is added and now you are at -15db. As you add inputs it will take up room in your mix and eventually you will clip if you are not careful.
@@AllamHouse that makes sense and that’s what I thought it was. However, it seems like we have to run the gain at -18 to -12 in order for our folks using P16s to be able to get enough volume. That’s what seems to be using up the headspace. I am sending the signal to the P16s pre everything so maybe I need to go after the EQ comp etc?
So, on the X32 I usually run my gain so my level is between -9 and -12 this should give you enough gain for your P16’s and (obviously) plenty for you mix. I do try to send post EQ/Comp for all instruments except Electric Guitar and keyboards. The compressor can offer some great consistency for the P16’s (like it does in your mix). If you find yourself running specific instruments really high for your house, you might need to check the EQ (using appropriate RTA) of your room. Sometimes running a kick drum or bass too high is to compensate for no subs or improper EQ on the mains. Sometimes it is good to dump the faders and start your mix from scratch. This video is one I use to help train new engineers on building a mix. th-cam.com/video/pwKfqQbnRvQ/w-d-xo.html
@@AllamHouse I ran with lower gain settings this morning (-18 to -12). That's where it needed to be to keep the sum from peaking out. We can have up to 7 vocalists, two guitars, drums, keyboard and bass for the worship team. This morning we had no drums and I still had to set it that low. For IEMs, we mixed their individual channels lower (except for their vocal or instrument) and turned up the over all volume and that seemed to help. I will play around with the the point of send to the P16. Thanks for all your help! I really appreciate all your videos.
911....911 Could you do a video on streaming going from the X32 to a ATEM extreme. The sound in the church is great, but it's muddy on the stream. Like being under water. Like a snow sound from speakers.....I hope this make since.....
I have an ATEM on order, but don’t have access to one immediately. The first thing you need to do is solo the audio with headphones plugged into the console. This allows you to know if the audio is clean before it goes to the ATEM. Then, log into the ATEM control software and find the gain that controls the mic inout you are using. Turn the gain all the way down. Now send some audio from the console, across your livestream mix and into the ATEM. Now start turning the gain up and watch the ATEM output level. I tend to run the gain up until I am at the top of the yellow on the ATEM which is most likely around 50% gain. I do plan to make a video discussing this once I get my ATEM, but I hope this gets you on the right path.
The console is designed to run an output at -6dBfs which is very different than the standard 0dBfs. If you run your gain at the standard -18 your resultant output would be -24 and the channel strip effects tend to not have enough input gain to work properly. I find that running at -10 produces enough gain for the console to work well and still I end up with enough headroom to not clip when sending a broadcast signal out of the board. I hope this helps explain my thought process.
I have been trying to have my stream to sound like card out 1 and 2 ,but when i do i lose my mic and guitar ,from my local ins, im trying to use it on paltalk.com ,where u play tunes via serato etc.and talk on microphone to people,what is the best way to do this,and sound awesome?
I’m not familiar with the service you mentioned in tour comment, but it sounds like it would be a similar setup to using Zoom. Here is a video that talks about properly interfacing with Zoom... hopefully it will be similar to your setup and meet your needs. th-cam.com/video/sC1bgnAvMow/w-d-xo.html
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I have been missing a lot sir, I wish I had found your channel earlier, but will watch all your tutorials to better myself, much blessings sir
This was very informative and just what I needed to know! I'm glad that you covered the house PA speaker tuning portion. Thats something that gets easily overlooked.
Thanks man! This is another issue I’ve been having I have the outputs to the live stream maxed out and can’t get enough volume on the stream, today is service so I won’t mess with it today. But tomorrow I’m going at it! You’ve got another subscriber!
Thanks for your excellent videos, sir! Most people I know gain an X32 around -18 and that’s how we’ve been doing it too. Gonna have to try your method of gaining things a little hotter.
You make understanding this stuff way too easy. Well done!
Thanks for the encouragement.
A big thank you Dave. A helpful video and very well explained and demonstrated.
Glad you found value in the video and information.
Thank you for another extremely helpful video. This has helped me understand how to better use a compressor for the pastor and set his gain.
Glad it was helpful!
Hey Dave, once again your explanations are spot on. I run a private FB group that is dedicated to the X32 Rack combined with the S16 stage boxes. I will place this video in the announcements as I am constantly preaching you must start with proper gain structure. Be Blessed. Dana.
AMEN!! I’m glad it is helpful and keep preaching gain structure.
Fabulous I've just bought an X32 Producer and these videos are fantastic. You have a new subscriber! Thank you.
Thanks for the encouragement. Feel free to ask questions as you learn. I’m always in the comment section and have a number of videos I’m working on next so stay tuned.
So good! Fixing amp levels and gain structure solves a lot of issues.
Yes, I see it all too often and fixing it can have a huge impact on how the entire ecosystem runs for audio.
best explanation I've seen. I can mix a 13 piece band with 5 vocals, but struggle with the Pastor all the time.
Glad it helped.
Definitely the videos I was looking for! I did have a sound company do the install and apparently there are a lot of parameters attached to the gain that they set. I’m having a hard time turning the amp down and turning my gain up without having other issues. I think I need to see exactly how they set it up before I make adjustments I can save and use.
That is pretty typical and with most systems now a days there is a DSP involved and digital interfaces so it’s not as easy as an old-school two channel amp you can turn up or down.
Best thing you can do is set good gain structure and keep your faders close to unity and then keep your main output down based on your room volume. Then run your stream through a Matrix or AUX to keep the level up for your stream.
Good luck with it all.
That's funny when I watch video like this, I know already about gain structure and other stuff, and then inside all those 16-minute-long video there is this very little 2 second information I totally forgot… "Pre-Fader Matrix send" :D
I don't know how I wasn't aware of that! I know I can setup sends to bus as pre or post fader, but never realized I could do the same with matrix sends lol. THANK YOU
I’m proud of you for watching a video that you KNEW was about gain structure. Most people brush it off as something they already have under control. Keep doing great things.
@@AllamHouse I'm watching videos like that to get my knowledge better because there still may be some things I am missing, and - in this case - there was one :D
Love your videos Dave. I admit I need to break them down into steps to fully get a grasp on whats being shared. Our stream levels are low, and start distorting when turned up . When I try to set gain with fader on 0, the volume increases too much. I fear the amp is set too high, and will have to be tuned. Thanks again.
Yes, this is a common issue. Turn your main and input faders down some, then set your gain properly. Pull your input fader up close to 0 and then turn your main fader up to an appropriate level for your venue. Ideally, you would have your amps set so that your normal running level on the main fader is between 0 and -5.
You have been more than too helpful to a young sound guy like myself...can you do a tutorial on Vocal EQ, and instruments EQ too. Finally! Must I back up my settings before I can do the new update on the X32?
Yeas. Before you upgrade the firmware, save your scene to the console so you can recall it after the upgrade. Your current settings and IP Address (in settings > network) will be removed. If you save your scene you can recall it and then renter your IP and everything will be good to go.
Thanks again for another great video. For someone such as myself new to audio technology, there is a lot to learn.:) At 7:16 in this video, there is a gain image shown on the screen, with mention made that "gain is a plus 51." How does this relate dB gain set earlier with the gain knob. I believe that turning the main gain knob will also change the "plus 51" value. Can I use the "plus 51" value to reset my mic gain to that point, if that's what I want, without redoing the actual mic check and setting the gain will receiving mic input? Hope that makes sense, and thank you in advance.
Yes, it is the same information in multiple places that all relate to the same Gain. We can set gain using the main knob on the top left of the console or using the knobs below the screen if you are on the correct screen. As you turn either of these knobs the number (51 that I stated) would adjust. If you save your scene or a preset for a specific input, this Gain value will be stored and recalled.
Hi, first and foremost, thank you very much for all your videos. Really helpful, well and easy explained, I'm learning a lot. My question is regarding wich db level of gain is a good place to start. You state that -9 dB is that one, but I've listen in other videos around TH-cam people claiming that -18 dB must be the sweet spot to start with... What do you think about that? Is not so much gain for every chanel to raise up to - 9 db? Specially when many channels are involved...
Thanks by advance for your response and sorry If i'm wrong with my point.
This is a great question and I might make a video out of this soon. The industry standard in home recording and most other devices is the -18 dB. The tools in this desk tend to respond better to a higher gain structure and I find for my volunteers that I have them shoot for the -10 (as a peak) for each input while looking at the Home > Config tab for any specific channel. This gives us plenty of gain to work with coming into the board and we have enough material to build solid Bus mixes, monitors and our house mix. One last thing to consider is that the output of this board is set to push (while reading 0dB) at -6dB which is a different video production standard so if you build a great mix that only touches -6dB on the output meter, it will result in final broadcast at -12dB and might sound too quiet. I hope that helps.
Hi Dave! I want to thank you for all your videos - especially the ones on gain structure and streaming. I’m a pastor of a small church and figuring this stuff out on my own (just another thing not taught at seminary!) In my church we have powered (active) speakers as our mains without amps. So if I set the gain structure correctly and set the faders to unity on the channels and the mains, the sound in the room is way too loud. When I follow all your other instructions for the gain knob and the faders, I have to set my mains way down (not close to unity). Do you have another recommendation for those of us who do not have an amplifier to turn down and no volume control on the speakers? Thanks again for all your videos. So very helpful!!!
You are troubleshooting your way into the best option for you at this point. Ideally, you would go to the actual speakers (which have volumes on the back of them) and turn them down all the way. This is similar to an amp, but you have to touch each speaker. Then, set your main fader and turn each speaker up an equal amount (say 20%) and see how the level is, adjust up or down equally as needed. It is more complicated with multiple speakers and even more complicated if they are mounted up high.
The temporary solution is to adjust your main fader down low. This allows your gain to be correct, your input faders to be correct (near unity) and your stream is happy. The room would come last and would be managed by the main fader which effectively is acting as a limiter on some level to keep the room volume at a manageable level. Good luck and send over other questions when they come up.
Hi Dave! Thanks again for this help. As a pastor of a small church you have provided such a wonderful assistance. For the last 3 weeks our streams have sounded SO MUCH BETTER! Yay! Your last response to me got me to thinking… is there a way to put a limiter on my main speakers so I can turn the main FOH slider up to unity? (Again just to remind, we have active FOH speakers so no amplifier to adjust and there is no volume adjustment on the floor speakers themselves. So when we get our gain structure right and have all the faders where they should be, we have to turn the mains way low to not overwhelm the space.) Thanks once again, my brother in Christ… and in sound!
Thanks a lot for this video! I have a question: what would be the main difference between running the stream signal through mix bus or through matrix?
This short video discusses it... quickly. th-cam.com/video/I_9KeueWL-0/w-d-xo.html
If you set the gain way to high… dont you have feedback problems on your Wedges on stage ? Thank you and congratulations for your Channel…. Greatings from colombia !
You want to set the gain properly on the board… this might make things really loud so I usually do this after turning the mains down and monitors way down (or off). Then, I set my fader close to unity (0) and then bring the master fader up as needed for the room. If the room is too loud you might need to turn down the amplifiers to your house speakers so the board is working at its best settings and the speakers and amplifiers are set to what the room needs. Once the gain is set and the mains are set properly I then move to setting monitors. Keep in mind that monitors (specifically wedges) are only to supplement what the stage needs and should be set 3rd in this process. This video discusses my 4 step process th-cam.com/video/XfvsoBve10I/w-d-xo.html
I have an X32 Compact and turbosound iQ peakers. My problem is that my stream is not loud enough. I used your tutor for a matrix stream. I just can't figure out how to raise the volume separately from the mains.
The short version is use the compressor on the Matrix and then use a Limiter as the last thing in the chain before it goes out to the Stream. If you watch the end of this video I discuss the limiter.
th-cam.com/video/pMnaiuC55RY/w-d-xo.html
Great video... thanks!
PROBLEM: I applied a moderate amount of compression to the pastor's the lavalier mic. While it succeeded in reducing her dynamic range making it more controllable, it also amplified a lot of room noise. Would you use a noise gate to take care of that problem or is there another way to go?
Is it an over-ear mic, lavaliere mic, or a podium mic?
@@AllamHouse , it is a lavalier clipped to her blouse, a reasonable distance from her mouth.
This is common with lav mics. They are Omni directional and will pick up everything. I would try to get the mic closer to the mouth... usually about the 3rd button down on a standard button-up shirt. Your experience is what pushed most people to move to over-ear mics.
Thanks. Will look into over the ear variety.
Thank you!!
Question? After your video, I want to bring my main volume to unity, but that will be to loud. Do you suggest I bring down the volume on my amp?
Yes, ideally you would run your main fader at unity or just below. If it is too loud in your room, turn the amps down on your mains to accommodate your needs.
We followed step by step your video on how to set up the matrix and this video and we still do not have a signal going to the Wirecast for livestream.Do you have any suggestions?
This is usually an audio setting on the computer. If you are on Windows you need to go to Settings>Microphone and allow apps to connect to the mic. If you are on MAC go to Preferences>Security>Microphone and then check the Privacy tab.
GM Dave. Quick question. How do you add precision limiter (insert only) to effects page on X32?
This video has different sections and the limiter is closer to the end.
th-cam.com/video/pMnaiuC55RY/w-d-xo.html
Hey Dave. One question. If we're mixing on a x32 rack with an ipad, in our case do we also try to get the gain to '-9' or should this be adjusted to a digital indicator?
You still want to shoot for the same levels. I believe the Config tab of the channel (on the iPad) will show you a numbered meter.
What do you have the compressor threshold at with your pastor mic example?
You can find my pastors settings in this video here. The description has a quick link to get to the appropriate spot in the video. th-cam.com/video/E5xyJXaliMg/w-d-xo.html
When setting up my gain structure, I pushed up the gain on a vocal mic like you were saying. I did this with nothing in the monitors or house, just listening PFL, but then when I started mixing, it felt like the mic was just too hot. I ended up during the service just pulling the gain down to survive
This is best done with some multitracks, in an empty room, while you can test/tune and mess things up. In the end, you want to get this right because the correct gain setting will make everything else work properly. Keep going and do the hard work of getting it right... you'l be happy in the long run.
@@AllamHouse thanks! I have a hunch that the condenser mics on the piano may have been the culprit that day.
But while I'm asking, X32 only has 4 band on the channel eq. How do you use it to ring out mics but still have anything left to work with for tuning their vocals?
We only run In Ear Monitors (IEM) so we do not have to ring out mics. I personally EQ everything for my live stream and then adjust the house as needed with buses, but usually it is fine. You do have some graphic EQ's available in the FX racks (5-8) that you can use as insert FX and since they are stereo (or dual) FX you can support two inputs on one FX rack.
U have a video showing streaming from a bus. Which one should we use bus or matrix
This ends up being a preference for how you and your team want to mix. I personally use the Post Fader MixBUS setup everywhere I go.
Do you have a tutorial on the Behringer Powerplay p2 (in ear monitor) setup?
Bot specific to the P2, but this video describes the process for setting up a monitor. You would then connect an XLR cable from the console (Output that aligns with tour MixBUS) or from an output on your digital stage box to the P2. Plug in some IEM, turn it on and you are good to go.
Right after I posted the comment I realized I just need to set it up as a monitor and followed what you had in the Monitor video!!
Thank you, your videos have been so much help
Hi so wat about the amps. Can I leave them maxed out? For each service .
The goal is to Tuen your amps down to fit what you need. Set gain properly, set fader near 0, set main to -5, set amps to get desired dB level in the room.
Where are you based from? Do you help over the phone? We really need help getting our online sound to come up right.
Hey there, I’m located in Richmond, VA. I do consulting and we can work through your challenges. Go to AllamHouse.com (click SOUND) and then use my contact card. We can exchange numbers and get things started.
@@AllamHouse thank you - I tried but I can't get to the webpage is giving me an error.
When trying to follow this video to boost my signal .... it's way to loud in the auditorium. Do I need to reduce the power at the powered speakers, in order to get my levels up without overwhelming the room?
Yes, the process is to
1) set the board how you want it
2) turn the main fader to -5
3) set the amp level to suit your venue
The -5 at the main offers you some headroom in case it’s needed and the speakers (obviously) could be raised if needed. In a perfect world you would then RTA the room for the desired slope/curve and use EQ to adjust.
@@AllamHouse Amazing video! We are also having this issue at our church for live streaming... having the gain up super high to get good level into the desk, so it can send a good level to our live stream mix bus, but then it being way to hot going into the main LR. Our main speakers are active and don’t have any adjustment on them. Do you recommend running the main LR fader at say -20dB and all the inputs at unity with high gain to make sure the live stream mix is a good quality?
What is the problem when I select my house output channel and the config / preamp meter is lighting up the clip light? However, none of the individual channels are clipping.
The main LR Bus (or any other Bus or Matrix) is the Sun of all its inputs. You will hear the term ‘headroom’ often in the mixing industry and this is talking about the amount of room you have left, before clipping as you are adding inputs into a mix. So, one inout might have you at -18db, then a second is added and now you are at -15db. As you add inputs it will take up room in your mix and eventually you will clip if you are not careful.
@@AllamHouse that makes sense and that’s what I thought it was. However, it seems like we have to run the gain at -18 to -12 in order for our folks using P16s to be able to get enough volume. That’s what seems to be using up the headspace. I am sending the signal to the P16s pre everything so maybe I need to go after the EQ comp etc?
So, on the X32 I usually run my gain so my level is between -9 and -12 this should give you enough gain for your P16’s and (obviously) plenty for you mix. I do try to send post EQ/Comp for all instruments except Electric Guitar and keyboards. The compressor can offer some great consistency for the P16’s (like it does in your mix).
If you find yourself running specific instruments really high for your house, you might need to check the EQ (using appropriate RTA) of your room. Sometimes running a kick drum or bass too high is to compensate for no subs or improper EQ on the mains. Sometimes it is good to dump the faders and start your mix from scratch. This video is one I use to help train new engineers on building a mix. th-cam.com/video/pwKfqQbnRvQ/w-d-xo.html
@@AllamHouse I ran with lower gain settings this morning (-18 to -12). That's where it needed to be to keep the sum from peaking out. We can have up to 7 vocalists, two guitars, drums, keyboard and bass for the worship team. This morning we had no drums and I still had to set it that low. For IEMs, we mixed their individual channels lower (except for their vocal or instrument) and turned up the over all volume and that seemed to help. I will play around with the the point of send to the P16. Thanks for all your help! I really appreciate all your videos.
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Could you do a video on streaming going from the X32 to a ATEM extreme. The sound in the church is great, but it's muddy on the stream. Like being under water. Like a snow sound from speakers.....I hope this make since.....
I have an ATEM on order, but don’t have access to one immediately. The first thing you need to do is solo the audio with headphones plugged into the console. This allows you to know if the audio is clean before it goes to the ATEM. Then, log into the ATEM control software and find the gain that controls the mic inout you are using. Turn the gain all the way down. Now send some audio from the console, across your livestream mix and into the ATEM. Now start turning the gain up and watch the ATEM output level. I tend to run the gain up until I am at the top of the yellow on the ATEM which is most likely around 50% gain. I do plan to make a video discussing this once I get my ATEM, but I hope this gets you on the right path.
attenuation IS NOT limiting
Thanks
why you set the gain for -9 is beyond me. My understanding is -12 to -18. Whatever
The console is designed to run an output at -6dBfs which is very different than the standard 0dBfs. If you run your gain at the standard -18 your resultant output would be -24 and the channel strip effects tend to not have enough input gain to work properly. I find that running at -10 produces enough gain for the console to work well and still I end up with enough headroom to not clip when sending a broadcast signal out of the board. I hope this helps explain my thought process.
I have been trying to have my stream to sound like card out 1 and 2 ,but when i do i lose my mic and guitar ,from my local ins, im trying to use it on paltalk.com ,where u play tunes via serato etc.and talk on microphone to people,what is the best way to do this,and sound awesome?
I’m not familiar with the service you mentioned in tour comment, but it sounds like it would be a similar setup to using Zoom. Here is a video that talks about properly interfacing with Zoom... hopefully it will be similar to your setup and meet your needs. th-cam.com/video/sC1bgnAvMow/w-d-xo.html