I personally think the argument that Sniper totally outclasses Bow Knight is pretty outlandish. The only advantage Sniper has is Hunter’s Volley, which don’t get me wrong is an absolutely phenomenal combat art. But to outclass Bow Knight, you have to make the case that Hunter’s Volley alone is worth missing out on the 3 merits of Bow Knight. 1. Movement: Pretty simple, Bow Knights have 8 move, snipers have 5. 2. Canto: Being able to move after combat is underrated. The ability to move after combat improves your combat options, it allows units to attack on the way to somewhere else, to take on opponents you would not otherwise fight because you can move to a safer position. Snipers can get around this with their +1 range and/or curved shot (Bow Knights can as well), but more options are always good. 3. +2 range: This in concert with Bow Knight’s 8 move, gives them a ridiculous 12 tile radius attack range. More when using curved shot or deadeye. Mix in canto, and Bow Knights become one of, if not the best hit and run units in the game. Now, am I saying Bow Knights are strictly better than Snipers? No, of course not. Getting a brave effect on any weapon from 3 spaces away, is arguably the best combat art in the game. But Bow Knights have utility that Snipers simply do not, don’t write them off for one combat art.
The problem is that maddening mode makes it completely stupid to get off of sniper. The mode is balanced so terribly that brave combat arts(and a two-range brave art to allow you to avoid retaliation) are basically required to win.
I mean...Brave Bow/Lances do exist. Hunters Volley does increase a few stats but tarnish weapons extremely quickly. But easily the Bow Knight could just use Indech's Bow, Brave Bows/Lances, and some other stuff at their disposal. There is things you can work around, just like War Master still being great compared to Brawler (or even greater depending). It adds more to the table and has more advantages, but another argument that could be formulated...why not both? Use Sniper during more defensive maps with less tiles compared to massive ones. Use Bow Knight on maps that are more open without that many forest tiles. Bow Knight is just a class, it is not meant for every scenario. A lot of people do not seem to get that, becoming a class does not tether you to that class for eternity.😅
A nice thing about Sniper too is how easy it is to get into. Only requiring Bows as a certification meaning that you can put time into something else like Authority or just straight up another unit that needs more effort. Bow Knight definitely has strengths of it's own and as you said, it's definitely not worse than Sniper. It's different but not worse depending on the unit of course.
I think bow knight is the best balance master class, as I think the developers wanted make a interesting alternate choice for the class for master classes(with expection of falcon and wyern lord).
NAVADAX Maddening takes a very player phase heavy game and ups it to an 11. Hunter’s Volley is absolutely a godsend in Maddening, but there are chapters that I’ve found Bow Knight’s high move and range, particularly when equipped with a Brave Bow or Killer Bow make maps so much easier. Off the top of my head are Arianrhoad and Fhirdiad. Enbarr in GD was also made quite easy. Giving Bow Knights high hit battalions mitigates their hit issues at extended ranges as well, and high crit Battalions with forged killer bows, make them reliable boss killers at ridiculously far ranges.
for 3H, Mekkah's opinion on that is different, he has different takes based on the game and he seems to be annoyed with people generalizing what he says. Because 3H has soooooooooo many movement boosting options, he feels that movement isn't as important unless they fly because they ignore terrain.
So this is kinda random but its something that stuck with me from college my professor told me they way he got his child to stop crying (He was a psychologist) was that you put them to bed and let them cry for a min then you check on them then you keep doubling this timeframe 2, 4, 8, etc... until they learn to go to sleep by themselves you do that all in one night and they will never have trouble going to sleep by themselves again. I think he said he did this when his baby was like 1 week old. The more major reason this stuck with me was that he said he had a patient that couldn't drive at night because she would fall asleep behind the wheel because her parents had always took her on a drive when she couldn't sleep.
One thing I like about Bow Knight is that your units likely can also obtain a Sniper certification. I had a lot of fun with Sniper/Bow Knight Dimitri on the Maddening Blue Lions run I just finished. And with the range, I was using Failnaught from max range with decent hit rates due to how overkill I made his hit rate.
Bow knight Dimitri is IMO the best option. His growths carry him through the awful class growths, and he'll have already obtained great stat beforehand if you preserved his speed. Train him in bows as a sniper with riding on the side and he can dominate both classes depending on what you need.
I also have Felix certified for both on my current BL maddening run and it’s useful to switch between them. On maps he can double some enemies with a speed ring bow knight, but sniper is pretty much a free delete button with the killer bow. I feel like at some point the enemies get too fast to double reliably tho, unless you’ve got a lot of speed carrots
Bow knight is already a fantastic class, and I would take it over sniper without hesitation in normal and hard mode. Its problem is only in maddening, where brave combat arts are so valuable because reliably doubling is so hard otherwise. For me, that isn't a problem with bow knight, but a problem with maddening, and my solution would be to rebalance maddening to make brave combat arts be worth less. Hunter's volley will always be good on any difficulty setting, but if it's so good that people prefer it over +1 range, +3 move, and canto and consider it not even close? That's a sign of completely broken game balance in Maddening.
I think Hunter’s Volley is great for units like Shamir who have some speed issues and would love to have a guaranteed Brave attack, but the extra move and range of Bow Knight is so good that I can’t see very many bow-using units deliberately staying in Sniper just for that art.
@@fredv7349 It's not necessarily making maddening easier, so much as changing the ways that it's difficult. With the way that maddening is now, there is almost no point trying to build a unit with high speed. Even fast units like Petra or Leonie aren't going to be reliably doubling very much and are going to get doubled a whole lot of the time. I don't have a problem with enemies like assassins and falcon knights having infinite speed, but it absolutely should be possible for an appropriately-built high-speed unit to reliably double enemies like heroes and warriors. To compensate, give them more abilities or extra stats in other areas (hp, strength, defense, whatever) so it isn't just straight up making maddening easier, but I find maddening mode as it actually exists boring. I want to have to treat different enemies in maddening differently. This one has too much speed so I can't double it, this one has so much defense I can only possibly take it out with magic, this one has high evade and will dodge tank me, and so on. Comparable level of difficulty, but more variety in where the difficulty comes from.
@@richpichu1272 falcon knights better its just tougher to get into for leonie you would have to focus on swords lances flying and bows lots of stuff however id still say its worth it
I found Leonie is terrifyingly good as a Falcon Knight hybrid between lances and bows. she can easily get the 4x hit in with brave lance even on maddening. stacking up double lance fair and death blow is just so much damage output.
@@Catgirls_and_Warcrimes I'm not really saying she can't be anything else, I agree that she's an amazing Falcon, but I definitely think she's the best suited character for Bow Knight, both stat wise and proficiency wise
I think the Lord class is laughably bad and should be talked about. I personally think the best way to fix it would be to kind of make it like the Lord class in Fe7, different for all three Lords. Make Dimitri's version be a stronger soldier. Make Edelgards similar to brigand and claude's similar to archer. But maybe trade some stats for more charm and the authority boost and then it might be a viable alternative, still probably won't hold up to brigand or archer but at least it's not useless and could be good for Dimitri.
I wish charm was changed to be if the enemy was in linked attack range. Basically +3 damage if in support range normally. I feel it would be more useful that way.
Bow Knight is honestly one of the best balanced Master Classes in the game. You can understand what advantages and disadvantages it has, it is does not have anything that completely breaks it, but it provides so much utility that I cannot imagine doing a run of 3 Houses without a Bow Knight unit. You don't have to use the class for every situation for it still to be a good class. I like that it does not invalidate Sniper, but provides options that Sniper simply doesn't have (Canto, increased bow range, increased movement). People should not always just assume Hunter's Volley will get a kill. Sometimes you really need the flexibility of Bow Knight over the kill potential of Sniper.
Bow Knight is really good for units with Encloser since they can immobilize a particular unit and then get out. You can also give them a crit ring, crit battalion, crit bow, and high dex, to obliterate dangerous mages or fragile units from far away
I think it's fine. Sniper has better dex and skills, but has inferior movement and range. It gives two class options for bow users to go into. If you give Bow Knight better dex and hit rates, it would honestly gut the reason to go into Sniper at all. It really would. I think someone like Leonie excels as Bow Knight as it is while someone like Ashe should probably just stay in Sniper. Each character has a path of least resistance, and it's a good idea to take that path unless you have very good reason not to as it takes many weeks or months of wasted development just to get someone into the desired build if it's not the one the character naturally excels in. Failing exams is brutal and wastes time. It slows down class mastery a lot. It could mean the difference between being able to grab another mastery skill or not, or even set the unit back in experience if they having trouble passing an exam that would give them a mount. Also, I don't think the classes should be balanced around maddening mode, as most people frankly don't play that mode and you're expected to min-max, which means some classes and characters aren't used. It's always been this way.
Point Blank Volley + Canto is better than Hunter’s Volley on a Sniper IMO. Especially on Maddening, being able to move after attacking is incredibly valuable. It more than makes up for the fact you have to be at 1 range since you really should be using this ability to secure a kill and not do chip damage. Related to that, being able to do chip damage and move again puts Bow Knight above Sniper in Maddening. This is actually really helpful if you want to do damage at 2 range, then reposition your unit to provide a linked attack at 3 range.
I'm going to be attempting a Maddening run for BL NG+ (to recruit everyone for the heck of it), and I've constantly been debating whether or not Bow Knight is worth it over Sniper. I think this helps and depending on the situation, Sniper might be better for Hunter's Volley, but so can Bow Knight for that extra movement.
I'll say that Bernadetta is the best Bow Knight. If you manage to raise her Axe Skill for Death Blow and combined with her Personal Ability she has +11 Atk when she initiates combat, Bernadetta has Encloser and Pass has potential to double with Darting Blow, she is a combination of utility and raw power and makes her a pretty complete unit as a Bow Knight
Bow Knight Leonie is doing wonders in my GD maddening run, PB volley + canto is amazing. Unfortunately I don't see how Ignatz is better as a bow Knight then a sniper, so as cool as Bow Knight is I do believe it's pretty much only viable on Cyril and Leonio due to PB volley.
Sniper Ignatz and Bow Knight Ignatz are two very different beasts. Sniper will one round everything with intensely high crit rates. Bow Knight will weaken enemies and take advantage of the extra mobility.
It’s just Hunters volley is insane in maddening mode. It’s more accurate and more damaging than a brave weapon. The extra movement and canto means you can hit and run, but you don’t need to run if you can just one round an enemy. Though bow knights are good if you are facing many enemies at once, and need to kite and kill them one by one. Or if you need to quickly kill a unit across the map. So I think they are pretty ok right now.
I would give it more Strength too. Of course not too much but like +10% growths. It would also make the class stronger than Sniper and makes the class more interesting for Bernadetta and Ashe who are more or less the main archers of their routes and very important as such but suffer from bad strength growths. Also I would change the ability you get when mastering the unit since speeding up units that are already fast in cost of making them one hits for enemy units simply doesnt do.
Ashe has always had a significant problem with low damage, but Bernie's Persecution Complex almost completely fixes her damage issues, especially if you invest time to get her Death Blow. Low strength is a problem for all of the routes' main archers, Ignatz included. I'm not against more strength for Bow Knights but the class is already extremely viable for Bernie and if you want to use Ashe with a bow, he's kind of just best off as a Bow wielding Wyvern Lord than a Bow Knight with slightly more strength.
You see Bernie actually deals a ton of damage. Her main way of dealing damage is through Vengeance (or battalion wrath, vantage, killer bow but I prefer Vengeance) and once she gets to use Vengeance at 1 hp (which isn’t hard to do and bow knight’s canto helps her stay safe despite being at low hp) she will one shot literally everything.
really the only thing bow knight needs is more growth bonuses that's it. add a 10% dex, a 5% luck and a 5% def modifier to go along with it's 10% hp, it's 5% charm and and -5% speed growths
Yeah yeah, Leonie and Cyril have PBV and make good Bow Knights but here are my opinions on more good candidates: 1. Ignatz. With Poison Strike and Break Shot, Ignatz is the best chip damage unit in the entire game and his personal skill makes him reliable to attack from long-range. He's the best support archer you can wish for, he's beyond amazing. 2. Byleth. A different kind of support, mostly because Byleth has a support with everyone minus Anna which means more Link Attacks bonuses and Bow Knight gives them the range to give those boost easily. It will also help position Byleth so more allies can take advantage of the bonus Exp they provide. 3. A strong and fast physical attacker. Someone like Felix. With enough speed, Hunter's Volley loses its main selling point and if all else fails, there's always the Brave Bow or The Inexhaustible. 4. Dimitri. He won't need Retribution or the Chalice for his Battalion combo if he already has the longest range in the game (except for siege tomes of course).
Interesting thing I noticed: Bow Knight is the only riding class that doesn't give any defense growth. Even all the magic riding classes give 5% increase in defense.
Isnt there a bow in the game you get from that one paralogue that allows you to attack twice, whilst also being better than regular brave bows in other ways? I chose to put ashe as a bow knight because there wasnt really any downside to it when i had him using that bow.
I think the best unit to be a bow knight is Leonie. She has the necessary prowesses so it will be a lot easier to get move +1, bow crit +10, and maybe even bowfaire. She has enough speed to be able to double without relying on Hunter's Volley, and even if she can't double she can still use point blank volley best in this class because she can canto out afterwards. Everything about her makes her a good bow knight.
rideing should be at B+ But I guess it does give + 2 +2 Move insteed of the + 2 +1 of most other mounted classe. Overall is a fine classe it really niche tho kinda like holy knight in a way. But for sure Leonie make really good work of it she got good SPD and point blank. it perfect for her as you need SPD for bowknight to work well since it got more spd than the sniper so haveing even more spd help you double some things I would guess... may be not tho... and she also got the proficiency for it ... and point blank if you can't double whit the spd she got. (Still prf Sniper on most of the other archer unite. Shamir would be a good exemple you could go Bow knight but she would just lost out on bow Crit or hunter's volley or the great Luck / SKILL Growth...) Overall it doesn't worth for her to go into Bow knight.
Given the name and the on-footness of it, I would've made the Sniper the class that has long range and can't miss, while the Bow Knight's more of an offensive maneuvering thing with combat arts and canto.
I would like to point out that the bow weapon identity is range and crit chance Almost all characters that are good with bows have higher dex and luck growths than strength, and it’s why you see luck and dex growths on the archer and sniper classes. Both luck and dex are factored into crit chance. Sp there is a reason to want luck on your bow knight
As you have gone through each of the master classes, I feel like there is one common thread between why most of them are not useful: They really don't do anything that advanced classes don't. My solution is to give each class 4 class abilities, as opposed to the max of 3. I know this is a deeper change than others you have proposed, but i feel it is the ideal change. With this, I would give mortal savant +15 crit and black magic range +1. I would give great knight the baron's passive from echoes (half damage from ranged attacks) I would give bow knight Uncanny blow I would upgrade Holy Knight's terrain resistance to terrain nullification and add a white magic range increase
I like this suggestion, most of the master classes seem like side grades to advanced classes. Although if you're doing this to all master classes this probably breaks falcon, wyvern rider, and warmaster.
Just give falcon swordfaire, wyvern lord lancefaire and war master something pretty average, the game is already breakable and this would buff others nicely, without over killing the already good ones
Tim O'Sullivan give war master death blow, I know most units will already have it but it gives you basically an extra ability slot to throw in your own personals
I like your idea. The game could use a great long range fighting class that can actually reliably hit far away targets. Your suggestions would make them optimal for manning the Ballista.
I’d love those changes to how knight. I find that as the class is right now, it’s almost irrelevant on maddening. The move is great, but the only unit that might actually hit on maddening from five range is Ignatz and he’s just better off hunters volleying away the game.
I slightly disagree. You can make a highly accurate bow knight on maddening with proper use of items and battalions and such. My Bernadetta had around 190 hit with and iron bow using a combination of hit +20, accuracy ring, Varley Archers battalion, and Dex +4. From 5 range her accuracy would only go down by 60 (each space after 2 reduces accuracy by 20) which would still be enough for most enemies. Even if accuracy was a problem, curve shot exists. Having a unit with incredible range, accuracy, and Encloser (Bernie) is invaluable and saved my ass so many times.
I had Leonie with Falco knight the first playthough, she was solid but nothing to flashy I had Leonie go for Bow knight on hard difficulty the second round and she was amazing! Does so much damage from a long range and could even tank quite a few shots!
One time I did have Leonie as a Bow Knight in my GD run, she was great. I had a Long Bow + on her so she had a whooping 5 range regular attack (not counting combat arts). I'm sure on maddening without NG+ it would be not the best idea to have her attack from that far away unless however you give her the edmund troops battalion which grants hit +40 (I think) when mastered
So, ranking Master Classes, there is 1. Wyvern Lord 2. Falcon Knight 3. War Master 4. Gremory 5. Dark Knight 6. Bow Knight 7. Holy Knight 8. Mortal Savant 9. Great Knight Please correct me.
1. Wyvern Lord 2. Falcon Knight 3. Bow Knight 3. War Master 4. Gremory/Dark Knight 5. Mortal Savant 6. Great Knight 7. Holy Knight I make no exaggeration when I put Bow Knight that high. The utility it brings for hit-and-run tactics, linked attacks, and out-ranging anything in the game makes it a great class even when factoring in the bad class growths, which it doesn’t even need. Gremory and Dark Knight I’d say are on the same level just because their jobs are so different. The Dark Knight is all about mobility and dealing big single hits, while Gremory is more about support. Which class a magic unit would want is up to your own discretion, but I lean towards Gremory being a *little* better just for the utility. They are both good, though. Mortal Savant is by no means a good Sword class and is a pretty middling magic class as well, but it at least has 6 movement and two passive -faire skills and fairly easy rank requirements to pass the exam. That last point alone puts it over Great Knight, an otherwise fine if underwhelming class that has ridiculously high skill requirements, and Holy Knight, an absolutely useless class that isn’t good at anything and nobody actually wants.
Take a unit with Point Blank Volley; Learn Wrath, Vantage, Close Counter. Throw on a Guard Adjutant and you have a mobile Dual Phase unit that doesn't need Retribution support.
Bow Knight is an odd class for me, and I feel like Leonie is the reason why. Leonie is a great character, tied for best non-lord with Felix. Put Leonie in any class, and she will make it look good. I can't comment on Cyril, I always make him budget Claude, but Leonie at least is good in general, then when you put her in Bow Knight, she gets to be good with 8 move, canto, 4 range attacks+ combat arts, and generally remove any limitations any other class puts on her. Put anyone else in Bow Knight, and it is a VERY different class. It's mostly a delivery system for chip damage or finishing blows, or "fishing" for good RNG. It's still good as being the better bow class, but only really extends that. Far more of an offensive support class then the multi-purpose death tornado Leonie makes it look like. I know Bernadetta can specifically make very good use of it thanks to Pass, the range, her potential damage output, and Canto, but that's more of a gimmick set only Bernie can do, so not really representative of the class at large, as much as Leonie's case isn't. As a result, I'm kinda at a loss when it comes time to say how to change it. Much like War Master and Felix, the class exists with a foot in two seperate worlds. If you buff it, you're pushing two already good units into the stratosphere, so that other units can be "okay". If you change it, you run the risk of taking out what made those classes work so well, and feel so good for Leonie or Felix. Also, under most circumstances, anyone who argues Sniper over Bow Knight is just crazy, or letting brave combat arts carry them through the game so they don't have to think, and are too in over their head now to stop. They're good, yes, but they aren't as essential as some make them seem. Return to it for that one desert map or something, maybe, or just get on a Wyvern or pegasus.
many classes would be better if combat arts like Hunter's Volley and Astra were able to be used on more Classes once they were unlocked even if it was something stupid like Mortal Savant had Astra+ which allow you to move it to any class once unlocked and bow knight had Hunter's Volley+ and did the same.. Also i never like having more than 1 Wyvern Lord and 1 Falcon Knight
Here is the thing. Yuri gets the best of both worlds as he can master sniper, have access to Hunter's volley, still have Canto +Aegis/Pavise and Movement + 1 due to his Relic (Fetters of Dromi). So yeah. No need to become a Bow Knight. Keep Sniper for HV.
I like where you went with this video, it would easy to just say give bow knight hunters volley, but that's boring I like your idea of making them just hit all the time and be able to take advantage of there range and movement. I felt bow knight already is a good hit and run class but not missing just brings it's to whole new level
I think Bow Knight is actually one of the best designed classes, in terms of how it works as a "master" class compared to Sniper. It's not a definite improvement, more of a side-grade than an upgrade. It has certain advantages and disadvantages compared to Sniper, and the extra training requirements, while awkward, aren't antithetical to earlier classes (who trains Lance on a healer Holy Knight, who does that?). It's not stupid overpowered like fliers, not underpowered like Great Knight, and it has a niche in combat as opposed to something like Hero, which is not unique in terms of traits at all. Defiant Speed is dumb though, that's true. If I were to change anything, I'd get a better mastery skill (maybe bow range +2 is the mastery, and you only get +1 until the class is mastered?) and maybe remove lances as a requirement.
Something I don’t understand and this well 2 months to late. But if the brave effect is that important just use a brave bow from 4 spaces away and canto out. Hunters Volley is a great ability but some of these Brave combat arts aren’t as important when you have access to brave weapons at this point in the game.
I honestly prefer sniper I mean sure you can't move across the map like bow knight but the range you can shoot at with less penalties makes it a better class in my opinion. Plus yeah you get hunter's volley
I would rather have something like bow range +1 for master skill because hit plus 40 with Ignatz and having an additional hit plus 20 he would have like and if Ignatz has access to Valkyrie he would have 110 hit
I make Shamir stay at Sniper and make Bernie go to Bow Knight. Using a Vengeance or a Battalion Wrath build makes Bernie destroy everything on Maddening.
Dimitri wants that enemy phase my dude. Also, Retribution doesn't work too well with Bows because you still lose hit from long range, so BK doesn't mesh too well with the general Dimitri strat.
yea you gotta patch this classes hit rate. I see bow knights and go ohh fudge they can shoot me from 4 range and then i realize ohh wait they wont hit me and i just work around enemy bow knights
Bow Knight is still good on Bernie too cos it gives her access to all her non-magic memes with vengeance, canto and encloser. I know some people use Seal abilities with Break Shot on Ignatz too to make some sort of utility debuff bow knight, but eh, on maddening just go Sniper on Ignatz. The problem with Bow Knight for me is that on maddening it's more of a utility option because it lacks the raw power of Sniper, but then it has no inherent utility skills. All you can do is chip things which is fine for early game but extremely disappointing for a master class that exists at a point in the game where you can pretty much trivialise the game with killer weapons and swift strikes / hunter's volley if you're playing casually, or you just stride+warp if you're playing efficiently. Bow Knight doesn't really fit any play styles in 3H. I think it would be best to concede that it's not going to have the raw power of Sniper but have other compensations to make it worth it. Keep in mind, in this game everyone can use a bow, so having high movement + canto is not limited to bow knight, you can just have your wyverns/falcons carry a bow which works perfectly fine with the way canto works in this particular game. So, not only does Bow Knight face competition from Sniper, it actually faces competition from all high mobility options despite its obvious benefits for bows (faire and +2 range). I agree that Defiant Spd is absolute garbage and it really could've used something else. I would've liked to see maybe a general debuff skill, maybe something that significantly hinders enemy movement on any bow knight attack (but not completely like enclosed). Kind of like a bow wielding ninja. Anything that buffs its utility would be nice cos obviously we wouldn't want Hunter's Volley on this thing cos then that would be a whole level of broken. It also could've used a exclusive Bow Knight combat art, again nothing like Hunter's Volley but maybe something with high might that would be worth using, as it's unlikely that you're going to be doubling with your Bow Knight anyway if you don't have PBV.
Nothing stops Bernadetta from using Vengeance and Encloser as a mage. I'm gonna hard disagree that utility is only good early game. Safe chip damage is always great.
@@g.n.s.153 Yeah, but it's not very good in mage classes. It's basically impossible to use Vengeance without Canto consistently unless you play like a turtle. Again, safe chip damage isn't that important later on, as you trivialise the enemy curve so fast in this game that you either just LTC the entirely of Part 2 or if playing casually, basically just slaughter stuff with proper arts and weapons. Part 2 is so easily beaten on both sides of the spectrum so you may as well specialise your units into delete buttons or support units. Safe chip damage is extremely underwhelming considering how quickly you can start destroying the game on NG Maddening.
@@DC-yx9vk I mean yeah, Vengeance and Encloser becomes tools and not central to her builds if you go the mage route on her. What if you consider chip damage as it's own kind of support? Not every unit can one round everything on MM.
@@g.n.s.153 If you're talking about Holy Knight then yeah idm those either but making her a Gremory or something isn't exactly a great use of her overall utility. Bernie does fine with anything that has canto and move, I think that's more important than Physic and Rescue (but ideally you want it all which is why Holy Knight works on her). Without canto and bow-range, Encloser is going to be difficult to use playing efficiently, and Vengeance basically impossible without extremely slow play. But you can actually build most offensive units to one round on NG MM. Mages are the exception (assuming no MB Sniper) but they do heavy heavy chip from long range against the weaker defensive stat and usually double as a utility unit (and if they don't ala. Hubert/Hanneman, their best class is Sniper for the raw damage output). If doing chip and not much else other than some situationally useful combat arts is your entire "utility", then I don't think they are really worth a deployment slot. It's not unusable by any means isn't really an optimal way of doing things. Making delete buttons for casual-paced MM play is very easy to do if you know what you're doing.
@@DC-yx9vk Guess we'll have to agree that our playstyles are different because I'm perfectly okay with Bernadetta as a Bishop even. Her spell list is that great even if her magic is bad. I already said what I had to say about chip damage. Honestly, it's fine by me that someone doesn't one round enemies if they're still reliable for what I need them to do.
People rag on Bow Knight? I dunno if it’s just me, but considering Ashe spends most of his turns crit-stomping enemies into dust from 4 spaces away before gallivanting back out of attack range, I don’t see the need for it to be fixed. Α super mobile instakill machine works fine enough.
Dark mage, and Dark Bishop. Its good on Hubert, but all other Dark magic users are female, and can't use it. Only people that want it are, maybe archers, just for poison strike, which seems like a waste of time. And DB. Gives Fiendish Blow, but no tomefaire. Seems like Warlock with mastery skill Fiendish blow is better. Wasted opportunities with Dm, and DB.
If you're having baby problems just stick them in a pocket dimension until they're a teenager, duh!
i'm getting Fates Deeprealm vibes 👀
@@alejandrobelmonte388 it’s a reference to fates
yeah or just have them timetravel to you fully grown
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“But that doesn’t mean you want a whole team of wyvern lords”
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Oops! All Wyverns!
Its fine, my ingrid is a falcoknight
I remember when I couldnt sleep as a baby, my mom would hold me in her arms and talk about fire emblem class breakdowns.
Is this true?
@Noah Avshalom r/ihavereddit
@@Zekken_The_Lodestar I would also like to know that. But I guess it's not true. :(
@@Zekken_The_Lodestar If it was, that would be really fucking funny. But like most people, I doubt op remembers when they were a baby.
@@JosepiThe13th I actually forgot I ever made the comment. Damn. Memories of that time really hit differently sometimes.
Admittedly if Bow Knight had access to Hunter's Volley that would have probably broken the class. But at the same time it would have been fun.
Well it’d almost be like it is in Echoes, except there it had 5 range
I personally think the argument that Sniper totally outclasses Bow Knight is pretty outlandish.
The only advantage Sniper has is Hunter’s Volley, which don’t get me wrong is an absolutely phenomenal combat art. But to outclass Bow Knight, you have to make the case that Hunter’s Volley alone is worth missing out on the 3 merits of Bow Knight.
1. Movement: Pretty simple, Bow Knights have 8 move, snipers have 5.
2. Canto: Being able to move after combat is underrated. The ability to move after combat improves your combat options, it allows units to attack on the way to somewhere else, to take on opponents you would not otherwise fight because you can move to a safer position. Snipers can get around this with their +1 range and/or curved shot (Bow Knights can as well), but more options are always good.
3. +2 range: This in concert with Bow Knight’s 8 move, gives them a ridiculous 12 tile radius attack range. More when using curved shot or deadeye. Mix in canto, and Bow Knights become one of, if not the best hit and run units in the game.
Now, am I saying Bow Knights are strictly better than Snipers? No, of course not. Getting a brave effect on any weapon from 3 spaces away, is arguably the best combat art in the game. But Bow Knights have utility that Snipers simply do not, don’t write them off for one combat art.
The problem is that maddening mode makes it completely stupid to get off of sniper. The mode is balanced so terribly that brave combat arts(and a two-range brave art to allow you to avoid retaliation) are basically required to win.
I mean...Brave Bow/Lances do exist. Hunters Volley does increase a few stats but tarnish weapons extremely quickly. But easily the Bow Knight could just use Indech's Bow, Brave Bows/Lances, and some other stuff at their disposal. There is things you can work around, just like War Master still being great compared to Brawler (or even greater depending). It adds more to the table and has more advantages, but another argument that could be formulated...why not both? Use Sniper during more defensive maps with less tiles compared to massive ones. Use Bow Knight on maps that are more open without that many forest tiles. Bow Knight is just a class, it is not meant for every scenario. A lot of people do not seem to get that, becoming a class does not tether you to that class for eternity.😅
A nice thing about Sniper too is how easy it is to get into. Only requiring Bows as a certification meaning that you can put time into something else like Authority or just straight up another unit that needs more effort.
Bow Knight definitely has strengths of it's own and as you said, it's definitely not worse than Sniper. It's different but not worse depending on the unit of course.
I think bow knight is the best balance master class, as I think the developers wanted make a interesting alternate choice for the class for master classes(with expection of falcon and wyern lord).
NAVADAX Maddening takes a very player phase heavy game and ups it to an 11. Hunter’s Volley is absolutely a godsend in Maddening, but there are chapters that I’ve found Bow Knight’s high move and range, particularly when equipped with a Brave Bow or Killer Bow make maps so much easier. Off the top of my head are Arianrhoad and Fhirdiad. Enbarr in GD was also made quite easy. Giving Bow Knights high hit battalions mitigates their hit issues at extended ranges as well, and high crit Battalions with forged killer bows, make them reliable boss killers at ridiculously far ranges.
Mekka - "Movement is the best stat."
for 3H, Mekkah's opinion on that is different, he has different takes based on the game and he seems to be annoyed with people generalizing what he says. Because 3H has soooooooooo many movement boosting options, he feels that movement isn't as important unless they fly because they ignore terrain.
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So this is kinda random but its something that stuck with me from college my professor told me they way he got his child to stop crying (He was a psychologist) was that you put them to bed and let them cry for a min then you check on them then you keep doubling this timeframe 2, 4, 8, etc... until they learn to go to sleep by themselves you do that all in one night and they will never have trouble going to sleep by themselves again. I think he said he did this when his baby was like 1 week old.
The more major reason this stuck with me was that he said he had a patient that couldn't drive at night because she would fall asleep behind the wheel because her parents had always took her on a drive when she couldn't sleep.
This comment made me immeasurably happy and I couldn't tell you why.
it'd be cool if you could bring mastered combat arts into different classes. Fierce Iron Fist on a War Master for example
The "crit x3" special
It does also give some individuality to the classes though
Foul Play on a mounted class so you could canto afterwards
>make Claude a sniper
>Learn Hunter's Volley
>get to timeskip, unlock Wyvern Master
>Become a chad and flex on every unit in the game
I think the class is well balanced, you have a stronger unit in sniper, but a way more moveable unit in bow knight
One thing I like about Bow Knight is that your units likely can also obtain a Sniper certification. I had a lot of fun with Sniper/Bow Knight Dimitri on the Maddening Blue Lions run I just finished.
And with the range, I was using Failnaught from max range with decent hit rates due to how overkill I made his hit rate.
Bow knight Dimitri is IMO the best option. His growths carry him through the awful class growths, and he'll have already obtained great stat beforehand if you preserved his speed. Train him in bows as a sniper with riding on the side and he can dominate both classes depending on what you need.
Bow knight Dimitri was what made my blue lions run fun and didn’t make me want to quit immediately
I also have Felix certified for both on my current BL maddening run and it’s useful to switch between them. On maps he can double some enemies with a speed ring bow knight, but sniper is pretty much a free delete button with the killer bow. I feel like at some point the enemies get too fast to double reliably tho, unless you’ve got a lot of speed carrots
Bow knight is already a fantastic class, and I would take it over sniper without hesitation in normal and hard mode. Its problem is only in maddening, where brave combat arts are so valuable because reliably doubling is so hard otherwise. For me, that isn't a problem with bow knight, but a problem with maddening, and my solution would be to rebalance maddening to make brave combat arts be worth less. Hunter's volley will always be good on any difficulty setting, but if it's so good that people prefer it over +1 range, +3 move, and canto and consider it not even close? That's a sign of completely broken game balance in Maddening.
Silver Snow maddening sees a lot of bow knight Byleth in Byleth solo runs. Mainly for the extra range and movement.
Question, are you saying make combat arts worse or making maddening easier by fixing how fast all enemies are?
I think Hunter’s Volley is great for units like Shamir who have some speed issues and would love to have a guaranteed Brave attack, but the extra move and range of Bow Knight is so good that I can’t see very many bow-using units deliberately staying in Sniper just for that art.
@@fredv7349 It's not necessarily making maddening easier, so much as changing the ways that it's difficult. With the way that maddening is now, there is almost no point trying to build a unit with high speed. Even fast units like Petra or Leonie aren't going to be reliably doubling very much and are going to get doubled a whole lot of the time. I don't have a problem with enemies like assassins and falcon knights having infinite speed, but it absolutely should be possible for an appropriately-built high-speed unit to reliably double enemies like heroes and warriors. To compensate, give them more abilities or extra stats in other areas (hp, strength, defense, whatever) so it isn't just straight up making maddening easier, but I find maddening mode as it actually exists boring. I want to have to treat different enemies in maddening differently. This one has too much speed so I can't double it, this one has so much defense I can only possibly take it out with magic, this one has high evade and will dodge tank me, and so on. Comparable level of difficulty, but more variety in where the difficulty comes from.
Ah, yes, the "Leonie" class
Weeb Tendency what about falcon knight or is Pegasus better I don’t know
@@richpichu1272 falcon knights better its just tougher to get into for leonie you would have to focus on swords lances flying and bows lots of stuff however id still say its worth it
(It’s not allowing me to edit) I had her focus on flying with ingrid and I think I had lance and bow on her most of the game
I found Leonie is terrifyingly good as a Falcon Knight hybrid between lances and bows. she can easily get the 4x hit in with brave lance even on maddening. stacking up double lance fair and death blow is just so much damage output.
@@Catgirls_and_Warcrimes I'm not really saying she can't be anything else, I agree that she's an amazing Falcon, but I definitely think she's the best suited character for Bow Knight, both stat wise and proficiency wise
I think the Lord class is laughably bad and should be talked about. I personally think the best way to fix it would be to kind of make it like the Lord class in Fe7, different for all three Lords. Make Dimitri's version be a stronger soldier. Make Edelgards similar to brigand and claude's similar to archer. But maybe trade some stats for more charm and the authority boost and then it might be a viable alternative, still probably won't hold up to brigand or archer but at least it's not useless and could be good for Dimitri.
I wish charm was changed to be if the enemy was in linked attack range. Basically +3 damage if in support range normally. I feel it would be more useful that way.
I wouldn't say awful since it doesn't kill speed growth or anything truly bad. But it just doesn't offer anything worthwhile
Bow Knight is honestly one of the best balanced Master Classes in the game. You can understand what advantages and disadvantages it has, it is does not have anything that completely breaks it, but it provides so much utility that I cannot imagine doing a run of 3 Houses without a Bow Knight unit. You don't have to use the class for every situation for it still to be a good class. I like that it does not invalidate Sniper, but provides options that Sniper simply doesn't have (Canto, increased bow range, increased movement). People should not always just assume Hunter's Volley will get a kill. Sometimes you really need the flexibility of Bow Knight over the kill potential of Sniper.
All that discussion about Hit rates, and you did not mention Ignatz being "ready" to go into the class.
Bow Knight is really good for units with Encloser since they can immobilize a particular unit and then get out. You can also give them a crit ring, crit battalion, crit bow, and high dex, to obliterate dangerous mages or fragile units from far away
I think it's fine. Sniper has better dex and skills, but has inferior movement and range. It gives two class options for bow users to go into. If you give Bow Knight better dex and hit rates, it would honestly gut the reason to go into Sniper at all. It really would.
I think someone like Leonie excels as Bow Knight as it is while someone like Ashe should probably just stay in Sniper. Each character has a path of least resistance, and it's a good idea to take that path unless you have very good reason not to as it takes many weeks or months of wasted development just to get someone into the desired build if it's not the one the character naturally excels in. Failing exams is brutal and wastes time. It slows down class mastery a lot. It could mean the difference between being able to grab another mastery skill or not, or even set the unit back in experience if they having trouble passing an exam that would give them a mount.
Also, I don't think the classes should be balanced around maddening mode, as most people frankly don't play that mode and you're expected to min-max, which means some classes and characters aren't used. It's always been this way.
Point Blank Volley + Canto is better than Hunter’s Volley on a Sniper IMO. Especially on Maddening, being able to move after attacking is incredibly valuable. It more than makes up for the fact you have to be at 1 range since you really should be using this ability to secure a kill and not do chip damage.
Related to that, being able to do chip damage and move again puts Bow Knight above Sniper in Maddening. This is actually really helpful if you want to do damage at 2 range, then reposition your unit to provide a linked attack at 3 range.
I'm going to be attempting a Maddening run for BL NG+ (to recruit everyone for the heck of it), and I've constantly been debating whether or not Bow Knight is worth it over Sniper. I think this helps and depending on the situation, Sniper might be better for Hunter's Volley, but so can Bow Knight for that extra movement.
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I'll say that Bernadetta is the best Bow Knight. If you manage to raise her Axe Skill for Death Blow and combined with her Personal Ability she has +11 Atk when she initiates combat, Bernadetta has Encloser and Pass has potential to double with Darting Blow, she is a combination of utility and raw power and makes her a pretty complete unit as a Bow Knight
Bow Knight Bernadetta with Stride and pass can be pretty fun.
Bow Knight Leonie is doing wonders in my GD maddening run, PB volley + canto is amazing. Unfortunately I don't see how Ignatz is better as a bow Knight then a sniper, so as cool as Bow Knight is I do believe it's pretty much only viable on Cyril and Leonio due to PB volley.
Sniper Ignatz and Bow Knight Ignatz are two very different beasts.
Sniper will one round everything with intensely high crit rates.
Bow Knight will weaken enemies and take advantage of the extra mobility.
It’s just Hunters volley is insane in maddening mode. It’s more accurate and more damaging than a brave weapon. The extra movement and canto means you can hit and run, but you don’t need to run if you can just one round an enemy. Though bow knights are good if you are facing many enemies at once, and need to kite and kill them one by one. Or if you need to quickly kill a unit across the map. So I think they are pretty ok right now.
I love how you unironically made bow knight into a sniper.
I would give it more Strength too. Of course not too much but like +10% growths. It would also make the class stronger than Sniper and makes the class more interesting for Bernadetta and Ashe who are more or less the main archers of their routes and very important as such but suffer from bad strength growths. Also I would change the ability you get when mastering the unit since speeding up units that are already fast in cost of making them one hits for enemy units simply doesnt do.
Ashe has always had a significant problem with low damage, but Bernie's Persecution Complex almost completely fixes her damage issues, especially if you invest time to get her Death Blow. Low strength is a problem for all of the routes' main archers, Ignatz included. I'm not against more strength for Bow Knights but the class is already extremely viable for Bernie and if you want to use Ashe with a bow, he's kind of just best off as a Bow wielding Wyvern Lord than a Bow Knight with slightly more strength.
You see Bernie actually deals a ton of damage. Her main way of dealing damage is through Vengeance (or battalion wrath, vantage, killer bow but I prefer Vengeance) and once she gets to use Vengeance at 1 hp (which isn’t hard to do and bow knight’s canto helps her stay safe despite being at low hp) she will one shot literally everything.
really the only thing bow knight needs is more growth bonuses that's it. add a 10% dex, a 5% luck and a 5% def modifier to go along with it's 10% hp, it's 5% charm and and -5% speed growths
Defintet hit (maybe adds like 30 hit) would be awesome making it essentially impossible to miss when combined with hit plus 20 at low HP
Yeah yeah, Leonie and Cyril have PBV and make good Bow Knights but here are my opinions on more good candidates:
1. Ignatz. With Poison Strike and Break Shot, Ignatz is the best chip damage unit in the entire game and his personal skill makes him reliable to attack from long-range. He's the best support archer you can wish for, he's beyond amazing.
2. Byleth. A different kind of support, mostly because Byleth has a support with everyone minus Anna which means more Link Attacks bonuses and Bow Knight gives them the range to give those boost easily. It will also help position Byleth so more allies can take advantage of the bonus Exp they provide.
3. A strong and fast physical attacker. Someone like Felix. With enough speed, Hunter's Volley loses its main selling point and if all else fails, there's always the Brave Bow or The Inexhaustible.
4. Dimitri. He won't need Retribution or the Chalice for his Battalion combo if he already has the longest range in the game (except for siege tomes of course).
Interesting thing I noticed: Bow Knight is the only riding class that doesn't give any defense growth. Even all the magic riding classes give 5% increase in defense.
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Isnt there a bow in the game you get from that one paralogue that allows you to attack twice, whilst also being better than regular brave bows in other ways? I chose to put ashe as a bow knight because there wasnt really any downside to it when i had him using that bow.
I always loved using Bow Knight. While sniper is cool, I liked the extra movement more. But that’s just me
I think the best unit to be a bow knight is Leonie. She has the necessary prowesses so it will be a lot easier to get move +1, bow crit +10, and maybe even bowfaire. She has enough speed to be able to double without relying on Hunter's Volley, and even if she can't double she can still use point blank volley best in this class because she can canto out afterwards. Everything about her makes her a good bow knight.
If they have Point Blank Volley it’s a good time to be a Bow Knight
*Laughs in cyril bow rank C+*
rideing should be at B+ But I guess it does give + 2 +2 Move insteed of the + 2 +1 of most other mounted classe.
Overall is a fine classe it really niche tho kinda like holy knight in a way.
But for sure Leonie make really good work of it she got good SPD and point blank. it perfect for her as you need SPD for bowknight to work well since it got more spd than the sniper so haveing even more spd help you double some things I would guess... may be not tho... and she also got the proficiency for it ... and point blank if you can't double whit the spd she got.
(Still prf Sniper on most of the other archer unite. Shamir would be a good exemple you could go Bow knight but she would just lost out on bow Crit or hunter's volley or the great Luck / SKILL Growth...) Overall it doesn't worth for her to go into Bow knight.
Given the name and the on-footness of it, I would've made the Sniper the class that has long range and can't miss, while the Bow Knight's more of an offensive maneuvering thing with combat arts and canto.
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I would like to point out that the bow weapon identity is range and crit chance
Almost all characters that are good with bows have higher dex and luck growths than strength, and it’s why you see luck and dex growths on the archer and sniper classes. Both luck and dex are factored into crit chance. Sp there is a reason to want luck on your bow knight
As you have gone through each of the master classes, I feel like there is one common thread between why most of them are not useful: They really don't do anything that advanced classes don't.
My solution is to give each class 4 class abilities, as opposed to the max of 3. I know this is a deeper change than others you have proposed, but i feel it is the ideal change.
With this, I would give mortal savant +15 crit and black magic range +1.
I would give great knight the baron's passive from echoes (half damage from ranged attacks)
I would give bow knight Uncanny blow
I would upgrade Holy Knight's terrain resistance to terrain nullification and add a white magic range increase
I like this suggestion, most of the master classes seem like side grades to advanced classes. Although if you're doing this to all master classes this probably breaks falcon, wyvern rider, and warmaster.
Just give falcon swordfaire, wyvern lord lancefaire and war master something pretty average, the game is already breakable and this would buff others nicely, without over killing the already good ones
Tim O'Sullivan give war master death blow, I know most units will already have it but it gives you basically an extra ability slot to throw in your own personals
I love Corridors of Time. Chrono Trigger is one of the best games ever made. For your next video you should talk about Paladins or Dark Bishops
Paladins got nerfed in my opinion.
@@Zekken_The_Lodestar That's why he should talk about them because they're not as good as they used to be.
I like your idea. The game could use a great long range fighting class that can actually reliably hit far away targets. Your suggestions would make them optimal for manning the Ballista.
I’d love those changes to how knight. I find that as the class is right now, it’s almost irrelevant on maddening. The move is great, but the only unit that might actually hit on maddening from five range is Ignatz and he’s just better off hunters volleying away the game.
I slightly disagree. You can make a highly accurate bow knight on maddening with proper use of items and battalions and such. My Bernadetta had around 190 hit with and iron bow using a combination of hit +20, accuracy ring, Varley Archers battalion, and Dex +4. From 5 range her accuracy would only go down by 60 (each space after 2 reduces accuracy by 20) which would still be enough for most enemies.
Even if accuracy was a problem, curve shot exists. Having a unit with incredible range, accuracy, and Encloser (Bernie) is invaluable and saved my ass so many times.
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I had Leonie with Falco knight the first playthough, she was solid but nothing to flashy
I had Leonie go for Bow knight on hard difficulty the second round and she was amazing!
Does so much damage from a long range and could even tank quite a few shots!
One time I did have Leonie as a Bow Knight in my GD run, she was great. I had a Long Bow + on her so she had a whooping 5 range regular attack (not counting combat arts). I'm sure on maddening without NG+ it would be not the best idea to have her attack from that far away unless however you give her the edmund troops battalion which grants hit +40 (I think) when mastered
So, ranking Master Classes, there is
1. Wyvern Lord
2. Falcon Knight
3. War Master
4. Gremory
5. Dark Knight
6. Bow Knight
7. Holy Knight
8. Mortal Savant
9. Great Knight
Please correct me.
I honestly can't, 1 and 2 are pretty interchangeable but it's pretty much solid ranking wise
1. Wyvern Lord
2. Falcon Knight
3. Bow Knight
3. War Master
4. Gremory/Dark Knight
5. Mortal Savant
6. Great Knight
7. Holy Knight
I make no exaggeration when I put Bow Knight that high. The utility it brings for hit-and-run tactics, linked attacks, and out-ranging anything in the game makes it a great class even when factoring in the bad class growths, which it doesn’t even need.
Gremory and Dark Knight I’d say are on the same level just because their jobs are so different. The Dark Knight is all about mobility and dealing big single hits, while Gremory is more about support. Which class a magic unit would want is up to your own discretion, but I lean towards Gremory being a *little* better just for the utility. They are both good, though.
Mortal Savant is by no means a good Sword class and is a pretty middling magic class as well, but it at least has 6 movement and two passive -faire skills and fairly easy rank requirements to pass the exam. That last point alone puts it over Great Knight, an otherwise fine if underwhelming class that has ridiculously high skill requirements, and Holy Knight, an absolutely useless class that isn’t good at anything and nobody actually wants.
Take a unit with Point Blank Volley; Learn Wrath, Vantage, Close Counter. Throw on a Guard Adjutant and you have a mobile Dual Phase unit that doesn't need Retribution support.
Bow Knight is an odd class for me, and I feel like Leonie is the reason why.
Leonie is a great character, tied for best non-lord with Felix.
Put Leonie in any class, and she will make it look good. I can't comment on Cyril, I always make him budget Claude, but Leonie at least is good in general, then when you put her in Bow Knight, she gets to be good with 8 move, canto, 4 range attacks+ combat arts, and generally remove any limitations any other class puts on her.
Put anyone else in Bow Knight, and it is a VERY different class. It's mostly a delivery system for chip damage or finishing blows, or "fishing" for good RNG. It's still good as being the better bow class, but only really extends that. Far more of an offensive support class then the multi-purpose death tornado Leonie makes it look like.
I know Bernadetta can specifically make very good use of it thanks to Pass, the range, her potential damage output, and Canto, but that's more of a gimmick set only Bernie can do, so not really representative of the class at large, as much as Leonie's case isn't.
As a result, I'm kinda at a loss when it comes time to say how to change it.
Much like War Master and Felix, the class exists with a foot in two seperate worlds. If you buff it, you're pushing two already good units into the stratosphere, so that other units can be "okay". If you change it, you run the risk of taking out what made those classes work so well, and feel so good for Leonie or Felix.
Also, under most circumstances, anyone who argues Sniper over Bow Knight is just crazy, or letting brave combat arts carry them through the game so they don't have to think, and are too in over their head now to stop. They're good, yes, but they aren't as essential as some make them seem.
Return to it for that one desert map or something, maybe, or just get on a Wyvern or pegasus.
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many classes would be better if combat arts like Hunter's Volley and Astra were able to be used on more Classes once they were unlocked even if it was something stupid like Mortal Savant had Astra+ which allow you to move it to any class once unlocked and bow knight had Hunter's Volley+ and did the same.. Also i never like having more than 1 Wyvern Lord and 1 Falcon Knight
Astra just sucks in General
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I always just use a Sniper and a Bow Knight. In most runs I use Bernadetta as a sniper and Ignatz as a Bow Knight so I have the benefits of both.
Why does falcon knight have a total growth rate increase of 75 but bow knight has 15?
Here is the thing. Yuri gets the best of both worlds as he can master sniper, have access to Hunter's volley, still have Canto +Aegis/Pavise and Movement + 1 due to his Relic (Fetters of Dromi). So yeah. No need to become a Bow Knight. Keep Sniper for HV.
I like where you went with this video, it would easy to just say give bow knight hunters volley, but that's boring I like your idea of making them just hit all the time and be able to take advantage of there range and movement. I felt bow knight already is a good hit and run class but not missing just brings it's to whole new level
I think Bow Knight is actually one of the best designed classes, in terms of how it works as a "master" class compared to Sniper.
It's not a definite improvement, more of a side-grade than an upgrade. It has certain advantages and disadvantages compared to Sniper, and the extra training requirements, while awkward, aren't antithetical to earlier classes (who trains Lance on a healer Holy Knight, who does that?).
It's not stupid overpowered like fliers, not underpowered like Great Knight, and it has a niche in combat as opposed to something like Hero, which is not unique in terms of traits at all.
Defiant Speed is dumb though, that's true.
If I were to change anything, I'd get a better mastery skill (maybe bow range +2 is the mastery, and you only get +1 until the class is mastered?) and maybe remove lances as a requirement.
Something I don’t understand and this well 2 months to late. But if the brave effect is that important just use a brave bow from 4 spaces away and canto out. Hunters Volley is a great ability but some of these Brave combat arts aren’t as important when you have access to brave weapons at this point in the game.
I honestly prefer sniper I mean sure you can't move across the map like bow knight but the range you can shoot at with less penalties makes it a better class in my opinion. Plus yeah you get hunter's volley
I would rather have something like bow range +1 for master skill because hit plus 40 with Ignatz and having an additional hit plus 20 he would have like and if Ignatz has access to Valkyrie he would have 110 hit
I make Shamir stay at Sniper and make Bernie go to Bow Knight. Using a Vengeance or a Battalion Wrath build makes Bernie destroy everything on Maddening.
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Talking about Dimitri's best class without even bringing him up smh
No way, Dimitri is so much better as a frontline unit. He’s a good bowknight, but I prefer him in his canon class tbh
Dimitri wants that enemy phase my dude. Also, Retribution doesn't work too well with Bows because you still lose hit from long range, so BK doesn't mesh too well with the general Dimitri strat.
yea you gotta patch this classes hit rate. I see bow knights and go ohh fudge they can shoot me from 4 range and then i realize ohh wait they wont hit me and i just work around enemy bow knights
On normal and hard I think bow knight is definitely better but on maddening I think Sniper is better
I'm playing with bow knight at the moment on felix, it's very fun
Honestly, I would much prefer making Leonie a Falcon Bow Knight. That way she keeps her insane speed growth
Next video will be fixing Wyvern Lord 😂
Bow Knight is still good on Bernie too cos it gives her access to all her non-magic memes with vengeance, canto and encloser. I know some people use Seal abilities with Break Shot on Ignatz too to make some sort of utility debuff bow knight, but eh, on maddening just go Sniper on Ignatz.
The problem with Bow Knight for me is that on maddening it's more of a utility option because it lacks the raw power of Sniper, but then it has no inherent utility skills. All you can do is chip things which is fine for early game but extremely disappointing for a master class that exists at a point in the game where you can pretty much trivialise the game with killer weapons and swift strikes / hunter's volley if you're playing casually, or you just stride+warp if you're playing efficiently. Bow Knight doesn't really fit any play styles in 3H.
I think it would be best to concede that it's not going to have the raw power of Sniper but have other compensations to make it worth it. Keep in mind, in this game everyone can use a bow, so having high movement + canto is not limited to bow knight, you can just have your wyverns/falcons carry a bow which works perfectly fine with the way canto works in this particular game. So, not only does Bow Knight face competition from Sniper, it actually faces competition from all high mobility options despite its obvious benefits for bows (faire and +2 range).
I agree that Defiant Spd is absolute garbage and it really could've used something else. I would've liked to see maybe a general debuff skill, maybe something that significantly hinders enemy movement on any bow knight attack (but not completely like enclosed). Kind of like a bow wielding ninja. Anything that buffs its utility would be nice cos obviously we wouldn't want Hunter's Volley on this thing cos then that would be a whole level of broken. It also could've used a exclusive Bow Knight combat art, again nothing like Hunter's Volley but maybe something with high might that would be worth using, as it's unlikely that you're going to be doubling with your Bow Knight anyway if you don't have PBV.
Nothing stops Bernadetta from using Vengeance and Encloser as a mage.
I'm gonna hard disagree that utility is only good early game. Safe chip damage is always great.
@@g.n.s.153 Yeah, but it's not very good in mage classes. It's basically impossible to use Vengeance without Canto consistently unless you play like a turtle.
Again, safe chip damage isn't that important later on, as you trivialise the enemy curve so fast in this game that you either just LTC the entirely of Part 2 or if playing casually, basically just slaughter stuff with proper arts and weapons. Part 2 is so easily beaten on both sides of the spectrum so you may as well specialise your units into delete buttons or support units.
Safe chip damage is extremely underwhelming considering how quickly you can start destroying the game on NG Maddening.
@@DC-yx9vk I mean yeah, Vengeance and Encloser becomes tools and not central to her builds if you go the mage route on her.
What if you consider chip damage as it's own kind of support? Not every unit can one round everything on MM.
@@g.n.s.153 If you're talking about Holy Knight then yeah idm those either but making her a Gremory or something isn't exactly a great use of her overall utility. Bernie does fine with anything that has canto and move, I think that's more important than Physic and Rescue (but ideally you want it all which is why Holy Knight works on her). Without canto and bow-range, Encloser is going to be difficult to use playing efficiently, and Vengeance basically impossible without extremely slow play.
But you can actually build most offensive units to one round on NG MM. Mages are the exception (assuming no MB Sniper) but they do heavy heavy chip from long range against the weaker defensive stat and usually double as a utility unit (and if they don't ala. Hubert/Hanneman, their best class is Sniper for the raw damage output). If doing chip and not much else other than some situationally useful combat arts is your entire "utility", then I don't think they are really worth a deployment slot. It's not unusable by any means isn't really an optimal way of doing things. Making delete buttons for casual-paced MM play is very easy to do if you know what you're doing.
@@DC-yx9vk Guess we'll have to agree that our playstyles are different because I'm perfectly okay with Bernadetta as a Bishop even. Her spell list is that great even if her magic is bad.
I already said what I had to say about chip damage. Honestly, it's fine by me that someone doesn't one round enemies if they're still reliable for what I need them to do.
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People rag on Bow Knight? I dunno if it’s just me, but considering Ashe spends most of his turns crit-stomping enemies into dust from 4 spaces away before gallivanting back out of attack range, I don’t see the need for it to be fixed. Α super mobile instakill machine works fine enough.
I like bow knight because I can turn the golden deer into the golden horde
That would make the Maddening bow knights more fucking annoying tho
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Dark mage, and Dark Bishop. Its good on Hubert, but all other Dark magic users are female, and can't use it. Only people that want it are, maybe archers, just for poison strike, which seems like a waste of time. And DB. Gives Fiendish Blow, but no tomefaire. Seems like Warlock with mastery skill Fiendish blow is better. Wasted opportunities with Dm, and DB.
Bowknight is fine, but sniper is better.