I read and listened to the book and I found it strange that it wasn't in the movie as I heard it so much in the books. But I do get why they choose not to use it in the movie
@@LadyQAB oh... funny. Because there is quite the pushback from Arabic critics who think they are being excluded from the narrative for political reasons.
A few million Fremen kill 62 billion in 12 years. I love Dune, but sometimes the numbers are kind of ridiculous. Each and every soldier would have to kill thousands.
'I had this theory that superheroes were disastrous for humans, that even if you postulated an infallible hero, the things this hero set in motion fell into the hands of fallible mortals... I am showing you the superhero syndrome and your participation in it.' 'Genghis Khan, Hitler, Kennedy... charismatic leaders ought to come with the warning label "May Be Dangerous To Your Health!"' 'Ecology is a dirty seven-letter word to many people. They are like heavy sleepers refusing to be aroused. "Leave me alone! It's not time to get up yet!"' 'There is definitely an implicit warning, in a lot of my work, against big government... I think it's vital that men and women learn to mistrust all forms of powerful, centralized authority. Big government tends to create an enormous delay between the signals that come from the people and the response of the leaders.' 'The thing we must do intensely is be human together. People are more important than things. We must get together. The best thing humans can have going for them is each other. We have each other. We must reject everything which humiliates us. Humans are not objects of consumption. We must develop an absolute priority of humans ahead of profit - any humans ahead of any profit. Then we will survive. … Together.' -- Frank Herbert
The irony of this statement is: I Believe, without any doubt, that if you read the six Dune novels enough.... You actually develop super powers. Yes, this may sound like a joke, but I'm not kidding. Go read his books a few dozen times and see for yourself. I wish our society saw people as having greater importance than the material 😞 the man is always right... Except about garlic.
@@debacofzomb9889 the problem with modern society is big governments, having beef with each other which eventually causes conflict. I believe humans will always have conflict, but that doesn’t mean we have to fight each other, why not talk?
Dang it seems like he knew Frank Herbert really well, did you know that he was vehemently against the use of AI and you’re giving Ai engagement to the point that it’s destroying the platform? probably didn’t know that did you
Kinda - don't want to give away spoilers for the next books, but arguably what God emperor Leto achieves he manages by taking the exact opposite approach to Paul in how he uses his power - great comment though and would love to debate!
@@WriteLikeALegend point is Herbert wanted to show dangers of believing in Messiah, cults and religious zealots but provide no other option than golden path, by doing so entire point become moot and and message become humanity can only be saved by a God emperor future seeing prophet. Same problem come from Warhammer 40k where they say IOM is worst gov possible and then give actual justifieble reasons in commiting genocides, xenophobia and religious zealots. since it only IOM or extinction of humanity. There is simply no other option.
@@kolyashinkarev7366that and they had a jihad that somehow spread across the whole ass galaxy that caused humanity to basically ban all forms of computer tech and AI which is why Dune is sci-fi but somehow looks technologically inferior to modern day earth. They have people call mentats....that do calculations for them instead of computers xd.
@@kolyashinkarev7366 weeellllll how much organic life was in that galaxy becuse we here in the milkyway might be the only life in our universe (im not say were the only oganic life forms in the universe im saying we have no knowledge of any other life forms)
Corrino Empire lasted for 10,000 years while Atreides Empire lasted for only 3,500 years. Even the immortal God-Emperor couldn't escape his fate. This showed that when you have absolute power and die without heir, the power vaccum you left behind will be catastrophic. Similar to how Alexander the Great's empire collapsed suddenly as soon as he died.
The 3.5K year reign was a training period for humanity. Training for Kralizec. And it also ended Galactic Feudalism. The 3.5K year reign achieved its goal.
*Possible Spoilers warning* but didn't the god-emperor die without an heir and have that power vacuum on purpose so that humanity as a whole could live and thrive? Like that was his point In the end, the charismatic leader was right? (I get confused about how the theme should be not to trust charismatic leaders but in the story's kinda does the opposite) Leto II, tho wanting to escape prescience, still used it to follow the golden path similar to Paul (tho paul in the end chooses to forego but his damage was already done imo). Tho instead of keeping with the golden path, Leto II used the golden path to obliterate the golden path
@@reklom2334 It seems to me that, in the Post Leto II Imperium. Only the Bene Gesserit/Fish Speaker/Honored Matres order are the ones left that still has significant “influence/power” over Humanity. So to speak.
He didn't try to escape "his fate". He masterfully crafted it. He literally left instructions on how to kill him to the specific person he knew could bring about the finale of the Golden Path. Letho controlled everything from the very start, and he made it so he couldn't predict the moment of his death in order to achieve the Golden Path. Read the book once again, you missed the point. Also, he technically had heirs
Dune is so dense. I read the first book in high school and liked it, but didn’t really get it. I reread it earlier this year and continued the series, having last week finished God Emperor of Dune. This series has left me with a lot to think about and I think I’m going to put it down for now. Like a weird acid trip, I need time to process everything before I jump back in. Your videos are great and I’m glad I found this channel.
I'm similar. I recently reread Dune for the channel, then decided to keep going. I really loved God Emperor, but don't feel like continuing on. For me that was a good ending.
@@WriteLikeALegend it really is a good ending. You somehow leave trusting that crazy worm god and his golden path. I’ll 100% continue the series eventually, at least the next two. But yes, for now, I need time to digest what I’ve read. And move on to other series. I need to finish Death’s End and get on to my next series, Foundation. How have I never heard of this? I really do like your channel, it’s way above everything else out there. Dune is what’s hot right now and I look forward to your further covering it, and wherever you’ll go next. Honestly I’m just stoked pop culture is apparently ready for a series that’s so heady and dense, even if it goes over some people’s heads. This is all a good thing, it’ll eventually get there with those people, and this gives other directors and studios the signal that we as a culture are past the Marvel stage. Of course no offense to those awesome films, but I’m sure you can pick up what I’m puttin down.
Yet many people still claim and quite agressively argue that Paul is indeed the hero. Of course, it all depends on the perspective. For us (readers) we see most of his journey from his own eyes, so his actions may seems justifiable. Objectively speaking though, his initial goal was indeed morally "good". The Harkonnens are presented as extremely evil people, much more so than in the movies (although not as psychopathic as in Lynch's movies) and the emperor is shown as a weak man who's quickly losing power to other groups (Landsraad, Bene Gesserit, Spacing Guild etc.). Looking at our world's history we can find many similarities to this state of affairs - the Roman Republic (pre-Ceasar), the Ottoman Empire, the Russian Empire, the Ming Dynasty etc. What's more, Paul (similarly to the rest of the Atreides) is shown as a generally good person, who's kind of thrown against his will into the schemes of other powers. As a result it's only natural for him to seek revenge against those who hurt him. In that Paul in Dune is a hero. However, Paul in Messiah can no longer be called a hero, as we can cleary see that the power corrupts him. Here's an interesting quote from Frank Herbert (from his interview with Tim O'Reilly): "In "Dune," Duke Leto was fated to fall, and did, before the forces of a malign fate. A Greek tragedy set-up. But Paul, rising against all the cruel fates, overwhelming his enemies, triumphs-a true heroic saga. In this one, it's Paul, our central character, who is a helpless pawn manipulated against his will, by a cruel, destructive fate… In this one he is not a Hero-he's simply a helpless Pawn of Fate. The anti-hero, showing that even seemingly mighty men of courage and abilities are helpless-that the whole world is a hopeless, overwhelming place, wherein struggle and high purpose are useless… The reactions of science-fictioneers, however, over the last few decades has persistently and explicitly been that they want heroes-not anti-heroes. They want stories of strong men who exert themselves, inspire others, and make a monkey's uncle out of malign fates! As Paul did in "Dune"-not as he fails completely to do in "The Messiah."
I think also people often conflate hero and protagonist, but there is no reason the protagonist has to be a hero. From a technical perspective you can absolutely write a story with the most horrifically evil character in the role of protagonist from a literacy perspective. I have a short story being published later this year which is a Kaiju story from the monsters point of view and as the protagonist
People these days are trying to claim that Paul is in fact a villain, not just an antihero. That Dune (even the original) is about teaching you to beware of "heroes" because they will doom you rather than save you. But Paul seems to do everything he can to prevent excessive bloodshed. It's the people he's trying to save who are doing everything they can to push things too far because they "just don't know any better". Paul in Messiah is "weak" in a sense, and maybe an antihero for that reason, but calling him corrupted by power seems like a stretch. He even gives up chani and rejects godhood at the end.
@@BaronFeydRautha yeah I think spice was just for psychedelics, but I understand why people would think it's oil cuz it's used for everything from clothing to food
Lol...what oil? Hundred of years ago, in the world spices are more valuable than gold, my country was colonized by the european for hundred of years, just because they want that damn spices
Then he shouldn’t have made the Harkonnens so cruel, but more human, similar to the emperor. This made Paul Atreides’s kind of danger favorable to theirs, who inflicted torture, took slaves, and treated everyone including each other worse than animals
I think it's good to show that too. Yes, the Harkonnen are made to be the BBEG of the setting, without any nuance to that. BUT, the fact that the hero seems heroic against them don't negate the fact that his actions are also cruel and violent. It is very similar to many indépendance mouvements that seems good in their historical context but that turns out to be very violent and cruel in other situations. As à French, I know that when France was liberated, it was against à very cruel and violent invading force, which makes this mouvement seems good. But the same mouvement was also very prone to unjust trials and punishment of innocent People who were accused of collaborating with the Nazis, even though they werent always collabo.
@@WriteLikeALegend He actually does say a lot that it was the only option he felt he had. That the genocide of dozens of cultures was the lesser evil of the options. Really really interesting. And shows the limited view of the time sight.
I have an upcoming video on Dune Messiah where I will dig into this a bit more, but I felt that what Frank Herbert was saying with that book, is the Paul felt like there was nothing he could or should do at the start of that book, but at the end of the book he finds a way, and FH was through this highlighting the terrible things that can happen as a result of inaction and nihilism. Would be interested in your opinion and others, as Messiah is an under read and under discussed novel.
I'm not to read up on nihilism. The vibe I got from Messiah was one of balancing the inevitable damage change will cause. The choices he made he felt were the only option because all the other led to even greater death. I really enjoyed his struggles with what being a symbol itself meant. Understanding that what you will say may have 1000 different meanings to a million different people was a really big thing I had to learn. Balancing that with his own wants and needs was very cool to read about.
Would like to see what they do with part 3 - I felt the sci fit channel idea of merging Messiah and Children was good. I don't think they will get there but I would love to see a really good director take on God Emperor of Dune - that would be the weirdest mainstream movie ever
Do people wanting(demanding)part 3, i.e. Dune Messiah. Actually read the book? There’s hardly any significant action scenes there apart from the “the night with the long knives” scene. The young ones should at least be ready for disappointment.
@@zvorenergy I’m sure of it. But as far as i’m concern. Heretic and Chapter House has more battle scenes compare to Messiah, Children of Dune and God Emperor combine.
Dune has taught me to be content with my peasant job and not seek to become a galactic immortal emperor. Life's easier that way. And I've learned to say "The Spice..." from time to time.
@@WriteLikeALegend they didnt do it before any like any product that should have it but now suddenly turned they sage and started quoting wisdom it just a red flag that mean you'll getting doped and its not like other leaders are without charism that stupid how do they make people vote for them or follow them it just the writer warping things out and misleading the simple minded based on he's goals it in the words that he didn't translate combined with the prophecy as a condition
LMAO! Here is a quote from the director which might explain why: Frankly, I hate dialogue. Dialogue is for theatre and television. I don’t remember movies because of a good line, I remember movies because of a strong image.
I have only watched the movies but something I noticed that nobody really talks about. when your race is killed and massacred on a daily basis for such a long time. they can't possibly care about lives of the oppressors or the people associated with them. would you have? would you not want freedom? besides in Dune 2 its not paul that starts the holy war. it was the great houses who don't want to negotiate with Paul.
At it's inception Dune was primarily about how we as species effect the environment around us and the hubris of our choices. While the changes to Arakis seemed good on the surface, the reality is a unique planet spanning ecosystem and the life it supported had to be sacrificed to achieve them.
“Jihad” literally means striving, or doing one's utmost. Within Islam, there are two basic theological understandings of the word: The “Greater Jihad” is the struggle against the lower self - the struggle to purify one's heart, do good, avoid evil and make oneself a better person.
Thank you for this excellent comment, which I totally agree with. The way Jihad is being used in the video is as a quotation of how Frank Herbert used it in the Dune novel. I go into this a bit further in this video: th-cam.com/video/GCsg2GVYjbg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3aZ4O1_Zykd17Eur
True! Dune has so many aspects to it, before you even get onto the sequels! I have some more shorts looking at the historical inspirations for Dune etc out with more coming, hope you enjoy
Felt so true for me, my country was colonized by the european for hundred of years just because they want that damn spices, its all in the history books, yet people nowadays knows not a damn thing about spices
I’m currently reading ‘messiah’ and there is an interesting introduction by Brian Herbert about this theme and how many people expected more of the classic hero’s journey and triumph like in the first. I much prefer the more real and gritty stories about the complexities of human nature and existence, so I’m glad Frank wrote it the way he did. Brian Herbert, in the intro, mentions how his father was I believe a speech writer for politicians and how this inspired the theme of skepticism towards those vying for power
A Messiah short and full length video coming in the next few weeks - I agree that it is a super interesting book, and if you like that one God Emperor (book 4) is like Messiah on steroids.
I have heard too that in some way it was a response to or inspired by Foundation, but as a writer I don't think anything as good as Dune can come from just trying to show the limitations of something else. However the inspiration started, Herbert was clearly very passionate about what he eventually created.
Agreed, but it lulls you into a false sense of security at the start of the first book, then we start getting glimpses of where this is really going...
@@WriteLikeALegend The first book in isolation is absolutely a heroes journey, one of the greatest ever written. These supposed sinister aspects of Paul's character are simply not present in Dune and are only attributed to him in a post Messiah context.
I half agree. They are definitely much more pronounced in the time between dune and Messiah, but the direction of travel is there in dune. After Paul realises that little Leto has been killed his actions towards his mother and chani in particular show how he's abandoned his idealism
If we are too believe what the author told Paul stamets, spice is about psilocybin mushrooms, the hallucinogenic ingredient turns bright blue, the Worms in the movie and on mushrooms, he spoke about the life cycle of mushrooms, specifically psilocybin mushrooms bring his inspiration for spice, the Worms, and other things in the book
Since I mostly have the 80s movie to go off of, this completely changes my view of the story. I assume the 3rd movie will be about Paul's power growing out of control.
If it's a direct adaptation of Dune Messiah, the second book, it actually skips that and is set 12 years after the end of Dune, when Paul is already at the height of his power and the galactic jihad has already taken its toll. They might though decide it's more exciting to include some of the time in between in the movie, and I believe "Paul of Dune", written by Herbert's son and Kevin J Anderson does fill in some of the gaps, so they could work from that.
for peace sake, paul already had the empire defeated the harkonen, control of the spice he had no need to start anything, the cult that formed around him and his followers on the otherhand did, they are the ones that started it all.
I feel like he kind of was, but that the point of Messiah was that the kind of nihilistic, defeatist state he was in at the start of that book was a bit of an excuse, and in the end when he was really willing to sacrifice himself and atone, he was able to stop the jihad. That was my interpretation anyway - what did you think?
What Paul and his son do mold the future for all of humanity. The seeds of prophecy were planted on hundreds of worlds, not just Arrakis. Paul saw the future and did what he thought would be best for humanity in the end, not just for the Fremen, and when Paul became too guilt-stricken to keep going, his son finished the job. It may have started off as Paul seeking revenge for his family and helping the Fremen, but it escalated beyond that
Don't get me wrong, the movies are fantastic, but they don't truly describe Dune in its entirety. You either make it or you don't, there's no inbetween, either they manage to capture the initial story's meaning in its entirety or it falls through strainer holes.
I really enjoy the way that the themes of charismatic leaders and religion play in the movie, like in history countless conflicts were caused by these two major points
I love how the real point of the story is hidden in plain sight for the exact same folks who buy into the false messiah. Kinda obvious that only a false messiah would call for the destruction of everyone who doesn’t believe and submit to his ways and gives his fanatical followers an excuse to shed their blood and be proud of it. Sounds sooooo dam familiar….
If it was whome you are referring to as ...wouldn't really drove terrore and destruction to the world yet it didn't...instead it have been leading the world into a real scientific and psychic and spiritual revolution,the jihad wasn't the same as Paul or "LISAN AL GHAIB" Is leading a destructive one ..on the other side its an illumination to the truth
It's also about "species radiation" on other planets, as primitive creatures was adapted to other planets climate, humans also adapted to different planets.
@@WriteLikeALegend I remember only as young maggot watched film/serial(don't remember) ecranisation, I heard about book sequels good and bad things and maybe someday will read it.
It's actually about sooooo much more than that, I'd really recommend reading the books. Dune, Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune. The amount of thought provoking wisdom in those books is surprising. Something the movies will never really do justice
I've always noticed the undertones of it all religious profecy and charismatic leaders throughout and how YES DR*GS CAN BUILD EMPIRES even in the future and the dangers of new tech have DIRE LONG LONG LONG TERM consequences of the direction of a society
Jihad is genocide. Islam is one of the most violent religions in modern world backed by the fact that it has highest dispersion rate of religious extremism there is no Taliban, Isis, etc equivalent in other religions. While Christianity has Mormons and and Indian religion has Hare Krishna but they are really nothing compared to Islamic extremist groups. Every _religion_ creates a society of its image.
This is a good point, and true in the Dune universe. The Butlarian Jihad saved humans from the thinking machines and is viewed as universally good, for example
At least from the movie I got a different sense. Paul was aware that the myth was fabricated. But still, Paul was impressed by the Fremen, and fell in love of their courage, honor, sincere belief. So he still decided to go with the myth and lead them to their heaven. I feel this was very inspiring. I suppose gets needlessly darker later.
I really love dune part 2, but it's quite unfaithful to the books in many ways. Without wishing to spoil, the roles of Jessica and Alia are very different which also radically changes Paul's positioning. I do recommend the book if you haven't read it - or there's been an excellent adaptation into 3 graphic novels if you are interested in a faster read
Agree that's a big part of the inspiration. It is basically confirmed that Frank Herbert based the spice's effects on a magic mushrooms experience. I'd guess there is also some inspiration from the way cannabis' close cousin hemp is super versatile as a material much like the many legit uses of the spice.
It's about waaaaay more than that. It's about power, ecology, destiny, history, the future of humanity, adaptation, leaders, religion, language, permanence, culture, the will, vengeance, psychology, psychedelics and more.
You are completely right, and I have a longer video on the way! But it's an awesome writing exercise to try and summarize a complex story in 30 seconds - premise, plot, main character ark, main theme.
Definitely part of it - probably via Frank Herbert taking inspiration from T E Lawrence (of Arabia)'s autobiography seven pillars of wisdom. Oil was a big motive for the British supporting the Arab rebellion.
This is a great observation and a really important writing lesson - good and bad are generally subjective so it's really important to give all your characters proper motivation
Dune is a sci fi version of the true story of Lawrence of Arabia a British agent who united the Arab tribes in mideast to overthrow the Ottoman Empire in WWI.
on the other hand, if realy a God/higher beeing would have been on his side, the deity would've prevented Paul from becoming evil or moraly compromised resp.
You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, but from everything Ive read Frank Herbert had a very positive view of Islamic and Arabic cultures.
@@WriteLikeALegend I havent read anything of Frank Herbert, but the movie's mockery of Islam is apparent. A white guy named Paul coming to lead the brown desert dwellers to "Paradise". The only famous religious figure is Paul the apostle. The director is clearly trying to say that Christianity is here to guide the misguided Muslims. And yes, the Fremen are based on Muslims. The "Mahdi" is straight out of the hadith and "Ghaib" from "Lisan al Ghaib" is straight out of the Quran.
The movie (part 2 in particular) is quite different from the book. The 'white guy' the books is more influenced by when it comes to Paul's relationship with the Fremen is T.E. Lawrence, who embraced Arabic culture and was intern embraced by the leaders of the Arab uprising against the (also islamic) ottoman empire during world war 1.
A mockery of Islam? How so exactly? It’s a cautionary tale about the dangerous of charismatic leaders using blind faith to control the masses, if you think that’s close to what Islam is that’s on you, not Dune.
It’s a shame that with so much lore this universe hasn’t been explored more. I heard they’re making a bene gesserett show. The butlerian jihad would be more interesting
I personally feel the problem is that people are not reading the books and just basing them selves on the movies and/or youtube hype videos. Everything needed to the Dune golden path.
@@WriteLikeALegend i like how you actually searched and made a whole vid about it lol😂 It really shows that you're an open minded person, keep the good work up🤍!
And yet the entire story is also about a mythical force that does exist, making itself known through the voice and other such metaphysical manifestations. However, Paul's story line is driven by this force, it is not even his own choice... In the story, Paul is followed eventually by Duke Leto the 2nd who becomes the WORM god emperor and it is this that saves the entire human race... So the story is about the survival of a species through some unseen force that is tied in with spice forced evolution. But the entire thing is about how a super civilization, like our own on earth, only exists because the worms that help keep the soils healthy, soils we use to farm food, it is the most important resource, along with water... Spice and water are the two fundamentals of life... Soil and water... Out of the soil came evolution like us great apes. The workers, engineers that work the fields, the soils are the operations that keep civilization going and feeds billions... Hence the story ends with Duke Leto the 2nd actually transforming into a Worm-human hybrid, the God Emperor, salvation of mankind and its technology is the WORM... So that is the real point of the story... Its about a civilization held captive by the means that had it exist in the first place... Despite all great evolution... AI's robots, rebellions, SPICE, and etc...Its all worms... So Paul here is actually a means to an end by this internal force that took over humanities path, ending the reign of the emperor and giving it to the Atreides...
This is a great analysis, love your very symbolism heavy take, and I do think this was in Herbert's mind to an extent as he clearly was very interested in the science of the worm and science in general
So on prophecy I have a theory that what FH was going for was the ancient greek style story where trying to avoid the prophecy resulted in it happening. This is what happens in the story of Oedipus and there is a lot of symbolism in dune Messiah and children of dune which really closely resembles the Oedipus trilogy - weird incest stuff, people's parentage not being what they think, former king wandering into the wilderness after having their eyes removed, said ex king unexpectedly returning to save their kids
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Why do I use the works Jihad in this video? Short version - that's what the book calls it. Long version : th-cam.com/video/GCsg2GVYjbg/w-d-xo.html
I read and listened to the book and I found it strange that it wasn't in the movie as I heard it so much in the books. But I do get why they choose not to use it in the movie
@@LadyQAB oh... funny. Because there is quite the pushback from Arabic critics who think they are being excluded from the narrative for political reasons.
jihad. . . mahon mad
Please find the true meaning of JIHAD.
FIY, you protect your family from being robbed/hurt is Jihad.
@@ridzone1985 🤣🤣 according to which book or dictionary you found this. . . ?? is this English word ??
You mean 62 billion lives
Correct! I only just reread the books so not sure how I had such a massive brain fart!
That is, technically, more than 6 billion
@@TigerofRobare
Sure. We may say that in some sense it's considered a bigger number.
We just gettin started..
A few million Fremen kill 62 billion in 12 years. I love Dune, but sometimes the numbers are kind of ridiculous. Each and every soldier would have to kill thousands.
When you stare into the abyss long enough the abyss stares back at you
Don’t stare at my cat
Worse, then you became part of the abyss.
Hardest batman line ever
@@projectbbeats3327you're not serious??
He's saying truth. @@spunkymaniac9312
'I had this theory that superheroes were disastrous for humans, that even if you postulated an infallible hero, the things this hero set in motion fell into the hands of fallible mortals... I am showing you the superhero syndrome and your participation in it.'
'Genghis Khan, Hitler, Kennedy... charismatic leaders ought to come with the warning label "May Be Dangerous To Your Health!"'
'Ecology is a dirty seven-letter word to many people. They are like heavy sleepers refusing to be aroused. "Leave me alone! It's not time to get up yet!"'
'There is definitely an implicit warning, in a lot of my work, against big government... I think it's vital that men and women learn to mistrust all forms of powerful, centralized authority. Big government tends to create an enormous delay between the signals that come from the people and the response of the leaders.'
'The thing we must do intensely is be human together. People are more important than things. We must get together. The best thing humans can have going for them is each other. We have each other. We must reject everything which humiliates us. Humans are not objects of consumption. We must develop an absolute priority of humans ahead of profit - any humans ahead of any profit. Then we will survive. … Together.'
-- Frank Herbert
Awesome quote, thanks for sharing! Really sets the context of where the series ends up going...
That last one 👏👏👏
The irony of this statement is: I Believe, without any doubt, that if you read the six Dune novels enough.... You actually develop super powers. Yes, this may sound like a joke, but I'm not kidding. Go read his books a few dozen times and see for yourself.
I wish our society saw people as having greater importance than the material 😞 the man is always right... Except about garlic.
@@debacofzomb9889 the problem with modern society is big governments, having beef with each other which eventually causes conflict. I believe humans will always have conflict, but that doesn’t mean we have to fight each other, why not talk?
Dang it seems like he knew Frank Herbert really well, did you know that he was vehemently against the use of AI and you’re giving Ai engagement to the point that it’s destroying the platform? probably didn’t know that did you
Cocaine, the spice
And mushrooms and cannabis, all in 1!
@@WriteLikeALegend so dune is a movie about crack addicts affair 💀
@@aspopulvera9130 in the later books it seems so because spice addiction is largely how the Atreides control the galaxy
@@WriteLikeALegend and the worms to humans be like. "stop digging our septic tanks you dirty apes!!"
@@WriteLikeALegend and the worms to the humans be like. "stop digging our septic tanks yoü filthy æpes!"
It's about a young boy becoming a drug cartel boss and ruling everything after that.
Don't ruin jojo part 5
😂
DUDE, SPOILER ALERT
breaking spice
"Chani, we have to cook."
And that charismatic leader was right about everything and his son save the whole humanity.
Kinda - don't want to give away spoilers for the next books, but arguably what God emperor Leto achieves he manages by taking the exact opposite approach to Paul in how he uses his power - great comment though and would love to debate!
@@WriteLikeALegend point is Herbert wanted to show dangers of believing in Messiah, cults and religious zealots but provide no other option than golden path, by doing so entire point become moot and and message become humanity can only be saved by a God emperor future seeing prophet.
Same problem come from Warhammer 40k where they say IOM
is worst gov possible and then give actual justifieble reasons in commiting genocides, xenophobia and religious zealots. since it only IOM or extinction of humanity. There is simply no other option.
A lot of people like to ignore this point because it brings up the morally problematic concept that tyranny can be beneficial in the long term.
It's kind of like the philosopher king idea - put the smartest person in charge and hope they're benevolent
Did he win? Yes. Was it better? Yes. Was he right about EVERYTHING? hell no
“More than 6 billion lives” is a bit of an understatement
Yup I messed that one up. 61bn
@@WriteLikeALegendtbh considering they colonized the whole galaxy, 61b is just rookie numbers
@@kolyashinkarev7366that and they had a jihad that somehow spread across the whole ass galaxy that caused humanity to basically ban all forms of computer tech and AI which is why Dune is sci-fi but somehow looks technologically inferior to modern day earth. They have people call mentats....that do calculations for them instead of computers xd.
@@kolyashinkarev7366 weeellllll how much organic life was in that galaxy becuse we here in the milkyway might be the only life in our universe (im not say were the only oganic life forms in the universe im saying we have no knowledge of any other life forms)
Corrino Empire lasted for 10,000 years while Atreides Empire lasted for only 3,500 years. Even the immortal God-Emperor couldn't escape his fate. This showed that when you have absolute power and die without heir, the power vaccum you left behind will be catastrophic. Similar to how Alexander the Great's empire collapsed suddenly as soon as he died.
Great comment! Many parallels between the Dune books and the life of Alexander
The 3.5K year reign was a training period for humanity. Training for Kralizec. And it also ended Galactic Feudalism. The 3.5K year reign achieved its goal.
*Possible Spoilers warning*
but didn't the god-emperor die without an heir and have that power vacuum on purpose so that humanity as a whole could live and thrive? Like that was his point
In the end, the charismatic leader was right? (I get confused about how the theme should be not to trust charismatic leaders but in the story's kinda does the opposite)
Leto II, tho wanting to escape prescience, still used it to follow the golden path similar to Paul (tho paul in the end chooses to forego but his damage was already done imo). Tho instead of keeping with the golden path, Leto II used the golden path to obliterate the golden path
@@reklom2334 It seems to me that, in the Post Leto II Imperium. Only the Bene Gesserit/Fish Speaker/Honored Matres order are the ones left that still has significant “influence/power” over Humanity. So to speak.
He didn't try to escape "his fate". He masterfully crafted it. He literally left instructions on how to kill him to the specific person he knew could bring about the finale of the Golden Path. Letho controlled everything from the very start, and he made it so he couldn't predict the moment of his death in order to achieve the Golden Path. Read the book once again, you missed the point. Also, he technically had heirs
Dune is so dense. I read the first book in high school and liked it, but didn’t really get it. I reread it earlier this year and continued the series, having last week finished God Emperor of Dune. This series has left me with a lot to think about and I think I’m going to put it down for now. Like a weird acid trip, I need time to process everything before I jump back in. Your videos are great and I’m glad I found this channel.
I'm similar. I recently reread Dune for the channel, then decided to keep going. I really loved God Emperor, but don't feel like continuing on. For me that was a good ending.
@@WriteLikeALegend it really is a good ending. You somehow leave trusting that crazy worm god and his golden path. I’ll 100% continue the series eventually, at least the next two. But yes, for now, I need time to digest what I’ve read. And move on to other series. I need to finish Death’s End and get on to my next series, Foundation. How have I never heard of this?
I really do like your channel, it’s way above everything else out there. Dune is what’s hot right now and I look forward to your further covering it, and wherever you’ll go next. Honestly I’m just stoked pop culture is apparently ready for a series that’s so heady and dense, even if it goes over some people’s heads. This is all a good thing, it’ll eventually get there with those people, and this gives other directors and studios the signal that we as a culture are past the Marvel stage. Of course no offense to those awesome films, but I’m sure you can pick up what I’m puttin down.
Thanks so much for your kind words!
Let’s trip balls in the desert together
Here in the UK Dense can sometimes be used to infer a lack of intellect so I was unsure if you meant Dune was dumb or richly detailed lol.😂
"The Empire has fallen, billions must die"
Yet many people still claim and quite agressively argue that Paul is indeed the hero. Of course, it all depends on the perspective. For us (readers) we see most of his journey from his own eyes, so his actions may seems justifiable. Objectively speaking though, his initial goal was indeed morally "good". The Harkonnens are presented as extremely evil people, much more so than in the movies (although not as psychopathic as in Lynch's movies) and the emperor is shown as a weak man who's quickly losing power to other groups (Landsraad, Bene Gesserit, Spacing Guild etc.). Looking at our world's history we can find many similarities to this state of affairs - the Roman Republic (pre-Ceasar), the Ottoman Empire, the Russian Empire, the Ming Dynasty etc. What's more, Paul (similarly to the rest of the Atreides) is shown as a generally good person, who's kind of thrown against his will into the schemes of other powers. As a result it's only natural for him to seek revenge against those who hurt him. In that Paul in Dune is a hero. However, Paul in Messiah can no longer be called a hero, as we can cleary see that the power corrupts him. Here's an interesting quote from Frank Herbert (from his interview with Tim O'Reilly):
"In "Dune," Duke Leto was fated to fall, and did, before the forces of a malign fate. A Greek tragedy set-up. But Paul, rising against all the cruel fates, overwhelming his enemies, triumphs-a true heroic saga.
In this one, it's Paul, our central character, who is a helpless pawn manipulated against his will, by a cruel, destructive fate… In this one he is not a Hero-he's simply a helpless Pawn of Fate. The anti-hero, showing that even seemingly mighty men of courage and abilities are helpless-that the whole world is a hopeless, overwhelming place, wherein struggle and high purpose are useless…
The reactions of science-fictioneers, however, over the last few decades has persistently and explicitly been that they want heroes-not anti-heroes. They want stories of strong men who exert themselves, inspire others, and make a monkey's uncle out of malign fates!
As Paul did in "Dune"-not as he fails completely to do in "The Messiah."
I think also people often conflate hero and protagonist, but there is no reason the protagonist has to be a hero. From a technical perspective you can absolutely write a story with the most horrifically evil character in the role of protagonist from a literacy perspective. I have a short story being published later this year which is a Kaiju story from the monsters point of view and as the protagonist
I just realized Attack on Titan has a similar protagonist.
People these days are trying to claim that Paul is in fact a villain, not just an antihero. That Dune (even the original) is about teaching you to beware of "heroes" because they will doom you rather than save you. But Paul seems to do everything he can to prevent excessive bloodshed. It's the people he's trying to save who are doing everything they can to push things too far because they "just don't know any better".
Paul in Messiah is "weak" in a sense, and maybe an antihero for that reason, but calling him corrupted by power seems like a stretch. He even gives up chani and rejects godhood at the end.
@@ebreshea1337 he rejected godhood because he was to weak and afraid to walk the golden path instead his newborn son had to take the burden
Frank Herbert said it was an allegory for oil in the middle east
Edit: but that that's just one thing. It's also about religion, ecology, etc
Lots of people think it was Spice that was the allegory for oil but Herbert himself says it is water on Arrakis that is the allegory.
@@BaronFeydRautha yeah I think spice was just for psychedelics, but I understand why people would think it's oil cuz it's used for everything from clothing to food
@@taliaeategg2027 Me too. I did until I saw the interview so...
Lol...what oil? Hundred of years ago, in the world spices are more valuable than gold, my country was colonized by the european for hundred of years, just because they want that damn spices
@@nettilee2696 No they weren't. The most important commodity 100-200 years ago was whale oil.
Also, Dune wasn't written 500 years ago
Then he shouldn’t have made the Harkonnens so cruel, but more human, similar to the emperor. This made Paul Atreides’s kind of danger favorable to theirs, who inflicted torture, took slaves, and treated everyone including each other worse than animals
Paul has Harkonnen blood, don't forget that.
@@chrisstahl2653 true but few knew that and he wasn't raised with their values.
I think it's good to show that too. Yes, the Harkonnen are made to be the BBEG of the setting, without any nuance to that. BUT, the fact that the hero seems heroic against them don't negate the fact that his actions are also cruel and violent. It is very similar to many indépendance mouvements that seems good in their historical context but that turns out to be very violent and cruel in other situations.
As à French, I know that when France was liberated, it was against à very cruel and violent invading force, which makes this mouvement seems good. But the same mouvement was also very prone to unjust trials and punishment of innocent People who were accused of collaborating with the Nazis, even though they werent always collabo.
@@niarkman6999but is there any othet way? Other than violence
@@chrisstahl2653That is irrelevant if he acts very different from them.
Paul is one of my favorite leaders in fiction. Every step of the way he tried to minimize the damage belief in him would cause.
Oh but in those 12 years off screen...
@@WriteLikeALegend He actually does say a lot that it was the only option he felt he had.
That the genocide of dozens of cultures was the lesser evil of the options.
Really really interesting. And shows the limited view of the time sight.
I have an upcoming video on Dune Messiah where I will dig into this a bit more, but I felt that what Frank Herbert was saying with that book, is the Paul felt like there was nothing he could or should do at the start of that book, but at the end of the book he finds a way, and FH was through this highlighting the terrible things that can happen as a result of inaction and nihilism. Would be interested in your opinion and others, as Messiah is an under read and under discussed novel.
I'm not to read up on nihilism. The vibe I got from Messiah was one of balancing the inevitable damage change will cause.
The choices he made he felt were the only option because all the other led to even greater death.
I really enjoyed his struggles with what being a symbol itself meant.
Understanding that what you will say may have 1000 different meanings to a million different people was a really big thing I had to learn.
Balancing that with his own wants and needs was very cool to read about.
After reflecting, Paul chill out in the desert
The friends Paul makes along the way
:p
Yeah, FH read a bit too much Sophocles.
Its the dune piece
I thought it's about giant worms
And this is why we need Part Three
Would like to see what they do with part 3 - I felt the sci fit channel idea of merging Messiah and Children was good. I don't think they will get there but I would love to see a really good director take on God Emperor of Dune - that would be the weirdest mainstream movie ever
Do people wanting(demanding)part 3, i.e. Dune Messiah. Actually read the book? There’s hardly any significant action scenes there apart from the “the night with the long knives” scene. The young ones should at least be ready for disappointment.
@@joeldelica8706 I'm sure Denis can fill in the blanks.
@@zvorenergy I’m sure of it. But as far as i’m concern. Heretic and Chapter House has more battle scenes compare to Messiah, Children of Dune and God Emperor combine.
@@joeldelica8706 correct. Herbert basically skipped the entire Jihad. So, Denis could write battles for Geidi Prime, Caladan, Salusa Secundus...
I find the entire series is about cultures and their changes.
The Golden Path just lives rent free in my head.
I'm hoping I get as far as God Emperor in this video series, I love that book
@@WriteLikeALegend It was my favorite book in the series. Chapterhouse was alright. Miles Teg was the best.
I only recently read God Emperor, almost didn't read it as I really didn't enjoy CoD, but it may well be my favourite too. Incredibly unique book.
The basic premise is that power corrupts. In the end Paul became everything Duke Leto stood against.
Space petroleum. It's really about space petroleum.
Six(ty) billion lives
Correct! Don't know how I got that wrong, I just reread the books!
Dune has taught me to be content with my peasant job and not seek to become a galactic immortal emperor.
Life's easier that way.
And I've learned to say "The Spice..."
from time to time.
As Herbert once said in an interview: "Every charismatic leader should come with the label 'may be detrimental to your health'"
Amazing quote thank you
@@WriteLikeALegend they didnt do it before any like any product that should have it but now suddenly turned they sage and started quoting wisdom it just a red flag that mean you'll getting doped and its not like other leaders are without charism that stupid how do they make people vote for them or follow them it just the writer warping things out and misleading the simple minded based on he's goals it in the words that he didn't translate combined with the prophecy as a condition
Dune summarised:
*Worms*
So I guess the whole dune saga would be:
Worms
Spice
Genocide
Weird sex stuff
God emperor worm
Kevin J Anderson
Great that someone finally explained because two movies later we couldn't figure it out
LMAO! Here is a quote from the director which might explain why: Frankly, I hate dialogue. Dialogue is for theatre and television. I don’t remember movies because of a good line, I remember movies because of a strong image.
Paul causes massacre
fremen : lisan Al gaib !!
The Fremen commit said Massacre
paul: farts
Stilgar: Lisan Al Gaib!!
🤣🤣🤣Maadhii
I have only watched the movies but something I noticed that nobody really talks about.
when your race is killed and massacred on a daily basis for such a long time.
they can't possibly care about lives of the oppressors or the people associated with them.
would you have?
would you not want freedom?
besides in Dune 2 its not paul that starts the holy war. it was the great houses who don't want to negotiate with Paul.
It feels like the whole premise is around the phrase "variety is the spice of life"
Lol
At it's inception Dune was primarily about how we as species effect the environment around us and the hubris of our choices. While the changes to Arakis seemed good on the surface, the reality is a unique planet spanning ecosystem and the life it supported had to be sacrificed to achieve them.
that’s one of the pieces, but i wouldn’t say primary
“Jihad” literally means striving, or doing one's utmost. Within Islam, there are two basic theological understandings of the word: The “Greater Jihad” is the struggle against the lower self - the struggle to purify one's heart, do good, avoid evil and make oneself a better person.
Thank you for this excellent comment, which I totally agree with. The way Jihad is being used in the video is as a quotation of how Frank Herbert used it in the Dune novel. I go into this a bit further in this video: th-cam.com/video/GCsg2GVYjbg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3aZ4O1_Zykd17Eur
It's about so much more than that.
True! Dune has so many aspects to it, before you even get onto the sequels! I have some more shorts looking at the historical inspirations for Dune etc out with more coming, hope you enjoy
Felt so true for me, my country was colonized by the european for hundred of years just because they want that damn spices, its all in the history books, yet people nowadays knows not a damn thing about spices
I’m currently reading ‘messiah’ and there is an interesting introduction by Brian Herbert about this theme and how many people expected more of the classic hero’s journey and triumph like in the first. I much prefer the more real and gritty stories about the complexities of human nature and existence, so I’m glad Frank wrote it the way he did. Brian Herbert, in the intro, mentions how his father was I believe a speech writer for politicians and how this inspired the theme of skepticism towards those vying for power
A Messiah short and full length video coming in the next few weeks - I agree that it is a super interesting book, and if you like that one God Emperor (book 4) is like Messiah on steroids.
That AI Lego tho 💀
Thanks
I remember reading an article that said that the Dune series was a critique on the Foundation series by Isaac Asimov.
I have heard too that in some way it was a response to or inspired by Foundation, but as a writer I don't think anything as good as Dune can come from just trying to show the limitations of something else. However the inspiration started, Herbert was clearly very passionate about what he eventually created.
Its definitely NOT a hero's journey, it never was supposed to be a hero's journey.
Agreed, but it lulls you into a false sense of security at the start of the first book, then we start getting glimpses of where this is really going...
@@WriteLikeALegend The first book in isolation is absolutely a heroes journey, one of the greatest ever written. These supposed sinister aspects of Paul's character are simply not present in Dune and are only attributed to him in a post Messiah context.
I half agree. They are definitely much more pronounced in the time between dune and Messiah, but the direction of travel is there in dune. After Paul realises that little Leto has been killed his actions towards his mother and chani in particular show how he's abandoned his idealism
Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
If we are too believe what the author told Paul stamets, spice is about psilocybin mushrooms, the hallucinogenic ingredient turns bright blue, the Worms in the movie and on mushrooms, he spoke about the life cycle of mushrooms, specifically psilocybin mushrooms bring his inspiration for spice, the Worms, and other things in the book
Great comment, thank you. I have another short on Spice where I cover the Inspirations for that including mushrooms
Since I mostly have the 80s movie to go off of, this completely changes my view of the story. I assume the 3rd movie will be about Paul's power growing out of control.
If it's a direct adaptation of Dune Messiah, the second book, it actually skips that and is set 12 years after the end of Dune, when Paul is already at the height of his power and the galactic jihad has already taken its toll. They might though decide it's more exciting to include some of the time in between in the movie, and I believe "Paul of Dune", written by Herbert's son and Kevin J Anderson does fill in some of the gaps, so they could work from that.
for peace sake, paul already had the empire defeated the harkonen, control of the spice he had no need to start anything, the cult that formed around him and his followers on the otherhand did, they are the ones that started it all.
That's certainly how Paul felt at the start of Dune Messiah - that he was just a figurehead for a jihad he couldn't control...
@@WriteLikeALegend he was. i red the books
I feel like he kind of was, but that the point of Messiah was that the kind of nihilistic, defeatist state he was in at the start of that book was a bit of an excuse, and in the end when he was really willing to sacrifice himself and atone, he was able to stop the jihad. That was my interpretation anyway - what did you think?
@@WriteLikeALegend Paul was ready to stop it and that's what he did what he did,
What Paul and his son do mold the future for all of humanity. The seeds of prophecy were planted on hundreds of worlds, not just Arrakis. Paul saw the future and did what he thought would be best for humanity in the end, not just for the Fremen, and when Paul became too guilt-stricken to keep going, his son finished the job. It may have started off as Paul seeking revenge for his family and helping the Fremen, but it escalated beyond that
Depending on the version you watch its about 3 to 7 hours
Lol
So we had to get franchise with star wars level of drama, but instead they gave us common blockbuster
Don't get me wrong, the movies are fantastic, but they don't truly describe Dune in its entirety. You either make it or you don't, there's no inbetween, either they manage to capture the initial story's meaning in its entirety or it falls through strainer holes.
I really enjoy the way that the themes of charismatic leaders and religion play in the movie, like in history countless conflicts were caused by these two major points
Yeah especially in the second movie which actually changes quite a bit from the book but for me really works well
I love how the real point of the story is hidden in plain sight for the exact same folks who buy into the false messiah. Kinda obvious that only a false messiah would call for the destruction of everyone who doesn’t believe and submit to his ways and gives his fanatical followers an excuse to shed their blood and be proud of it.
Sounds sooooo dam familiar….
If it was whome you are referring to as ...wouldn't really drove terrore and destruction to the world yet it didn't...instead it have been leading the world into a real scientific and psychic and spiritual revolution,the jihad wasn't the same as Paul or "LISAN AL GHAIB" Is leading a destructive one ..on the other side its an illumination to the truth
The religion of submission.
DAMN STRAIGHT!😎👍
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!🗣️🗣️🗣️
Trump supporters 🙄
Is this... Talking about Muslims?
To be honest I am very happy he bacme the leader and fought against the empire. He may be a dangerous leader but the other leaders are worse!
Tripping balls in the desert, that’s it
Reminds me of a quote from the movie Scent of a Woman:
"Makers of men; creators of leaders- be careful what kind of leaders you're producing here."
Great quote, thanks
It's also about "species radiation" on other planets, as primitive creatures was adapted to other planets climate, humans also adapted to different planets.
Great point! Have you ever read Children of Time? If you like this idea I would highly recommend that book
@@WriteLikeALegend I remember only as young maggot watched film/serial(don't remember) ecranisation, I heard about book sequels good and bad things and maybe someday will read it.
Paul farts
Staiger : lisan al gaib
Lmao
Very much a movie thing though.
What does that mean?
@@dragutaku4717 watch Dune part 1 and part 2
It's a warning about following charismatic leaders
Yes 62 billion is more than 6 billion.
It's actually about sooooo much more than that, I'd really recommend reading the books. Dune, Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune. The amount of thought provoking wisdom in those books is surprising. Something the movies will never really do justice
Totally agree! A longer video on Dune is coming with a short + long form on dune Messiah after that. Hoping to get all the way to God emperor
A what funnier is he literally couldve just not killed the emperor and had a pretty sick life as a rich and beloved duke with a lovely wife and kids 😂
I don't think he killed the emperor. The emperor was just exiled
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Its about worms
The jest of the plot of the whole story is Paul had a vision that he could insure that humanity had way into the future that didnt lead to extinction
I've always noticed the undertones of it all religious profecy and charismatic leaders throughout and how YES DR*GS CAN BUILD EMPIRES even in the future and the dangers of new tech have DIRE LONG LONG LONG TERM consequences of the direction of a society
It’s way more than 6 billion. And yes Herbert wanted to warn people about charismatic leaders
Yup, I had a massive brain fart. It's like 10x that.
I mean Hitler already was there so why retold same thing but only in fictional universe?
Don’t mix Jihad with genocide.
There is no war that doesn't take life
^Jihad iz war googoo gaga
Jihad is genocide. Islam is one of the most violent religions in modern world backed by the fact that it has highest dispersion rate of religious extremism there is no Taliban, Isis, etc equivalent in other religions. While Christianity has Mormons and and Indian religion has Hare Krishna but they are really nothing compared to Islamic extremist groups.
Every _religion_ creates a society of its image.
This is a good point, and true in the Dune universe. The Butlarian Jihad saved humans from the thinking machines and is viewed as universally good, for example
@@wickeddave5148 Let's pretend that Bani Quraidzah males are spared and the women are not enslaved
Narcos: Arrakis is probably my favourite in the series. Mexico was better than the Escobar season tho.
Another comment said breaking bad is a prequel for dune. I like that idea.
it's about Anakin Skywalker and his hatred of sand
At least from the movie I got a different sense. Paul was aware that the myth was fabricated. But still, Paul was impressed by the Fremen, and fell in love of their courage, honor, sincere belief. So he still decided to go with the myth and lead them to their heaven. I feel this was very inspiring. I suppose gets needlessly darker later.
I really love dune part 2, but it's quite unfaithful to the books in many ways. Without wishing to spoil, the roles of Jessica and Alia are very different which also radically changes Paul's positioning. I do recommend the book if you haven't read it - or there's been an excellent adaptation into 3 graphic novels if you are interested in a faster read
Drugs basically in my opinion
Agree that's a big part of the inspiration. It is basically confirmed that Frank Herbert based the spice's effects on a magic mushrooms experience. I'd guess there is also some inspiration from the way cannabis' close cousin hemp is super versatile as a material much like the many legit uses of the spice.
It's about waaaaay more than that. It's about power, ecology, destiny, history, the future of humanity, adaptation, leaders, religion, language, permanence, culture, the will, vengeance, psychology, psychedelics and more.
You are completely right, and I have a longer video on the way! But it's an awesome writing exercise to try and summarize a complex story in 30 seconds - premise, plot, main character ark, main theme.
Drugs!!! And drug dealing and being the leader of a Universal drugs cartel.🤣🤣🤣
This is true. Maybe someone should make breaking bad in space. Walter Atreides has space cancer and needs that worm poop to pay his medical bills.
@@WriteLikeALegendmake it about the Baron we could call it Breaking Vlad.🤣
Just imagine Gene Wilder as Paul Atreides.
OIL!!!
Definitely part of it - probably via Frank Herbert taking inspiration from T E Lawrence (of Arabia)'s autobiography seven pillars of wisdom. Oil was a big motive for the British supporting the Arab rebellion.
That’s a first level analysis. Seek deeper
That’s more like a worldbuilding equivalence
No, i dont think its about oil, it really was about spice, spices are what makes european becomr colonizer till now, here i give u a hint: VOC
Now I understand what the Rhun people felt against Aragorn. The king was so popular that he managed to bring the full might of the west against them
This is a great observation and a really important writing lesson - good and bad are generally subjective so it's really important to give all your characters proper motivation
Dune is a sci fi version of the true story of Lawrence of Arabia a British agent who united the Arab tribes in mideast to overthrow the Ottoman Empire in WWI.
So glad people watch this movie and probably knows the books
_Allahu Ak-..._ I mean, _Deus Vu-..._ I mean, _Lisan Al Gaib!_ 💀
CHEREM
My wife is thoroughly sick of me wandering around the house shouting Lisan Al Gaib
...
Let me add _Hare Krishna_ as well.
on the other hand, if realy a God/higher beeing would have been on his side, the deity would've prevented Paul from becoming evil or moraly compromised resp.
Nah, Cunning of Reason - Hegel
Dune is a mockery of Islam.
You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, but from everything Ive read Frank Herbert had a very positive view of Islamic and Arabic cultures.
@@WriteLikeALegend I havent read anything of Frank Herbert, but the movie's mockery of Islam is apparent.
A white guy named Paul coming to lead the brown desert dwellers to "Paradise". The only famous religious figure is Paul the apostle. The director is clearly trying to say that Christianity is here to guide the misguided Muslims. And yes, the Fremen are based on Muslims. The "Mahdi" is straight out of the hadith and "Ghaib" from "Lisan al Ghaib" is straight out of the Quran.
@@hussanalrubayie3020 But isn't the idea of the "white saviour" portrayed as fundamentally wrong at the same time?
The movie (part 2 in particular) is quite different from the book. The 'white guy' the books is more influenced by when it comes to Paul's relationship with the Fremen is T.E. Lawrence, who embraced Arabic culture and was intern embraced by the leaders of the Arab uprising against the (also islamic) ottoman empire during world war 1.
A mockery of Islam? How so exactly? It’s a cautionary tale about the dangerous of charismatic leaders using blind faith to control the masses, if you think that’s close to what Islam is that’s on you, not Dune.
Fun Fact: The blue liquid they drink in the movie is based on mushroom extracts
never watched dune, so I thought it was about crossing the desert and a giant worm comes out and be the big bad guy
It’s not the power corrupts. It’s that power is irresistible to the corruptible.
Great point
Spice is a drug,so
Conspiracy theory: Dune is the sequel of Breaking bad.
They do spend quite a bit of time in the desert in BB...
I haven’t read all the books yet. But, to me, the genius of the series seems to be that it’s about several different things at once.
Yup totally agree, and tough to get them all into 30 seconds, so will be releasing a long form video
It’s a shame that with so much lore this universe hasn’t been explored more. I heard they’re making a bene gesserett show. The butlerian jihad would be more interesting
What’s it about … Drugs ..
”The Spice must flow”
There is nothing shy about the Hulud
jihad feels like i heard those before
I NEED THE DUNE BUCKET
Dude became Anakin skywalker and purged all the jedis 😂
Well did you expect George Lucas to have an original thought?
Cant believe he clammed more than 6 million lives. He better scallop outta there!
How using psychedelics can unlock your true power to battle evil in the world.
I personally feel the problem is that people are not reading the books and just basing them selves on the movies and/or youtube hype videos. Everything needed to the Dune golden path.
Mushrooms. It’s been confirmed by the author. Or at least that’s where the inspiration for “spice” comes from
The Golden Lion Throne really is just the Iron Throne with a color swap, huh
Many parallels between the two series. I do wonder if we might one day see Bran as God Emperor of Westeros.
"Jihad" is anything that contains struggle
I make a similar point here th-cam.com/video/GCsg2GVYjbg/w-d-xo.html
@@WriteLikeALegend i like how you actually searched and made a whole vid about it lol😂
It really shows that you're an open minded person, keep the good work up🤍!
Charismatic leader and religious prophecy? I've heard that in real life a lot 😅
It's about Duncan Idaho and everyone else is just along for the ride.
LMAO yeah the Kevin j Anderson books make it feel that way
If 6 hrs of film haven't told us, I doubt a 60 second YT short will do the trick. 😂
Fair enough 😜
And yet the entire story is also about a mythical force that does exist, making itself known through the voice and other such metaphysical manifestations.
However, Paul's story line is driven by this force, it is not even his own choice... In the story, Paul is followed eventually by Duke Leto the 2nd who becomes the WORM god emperor and it is this that saves the entire human race... So the story is about the survival of a species through some unseen force that is tied in with spice forced evolution.
But the entire thing is about how a super civilization, like our own on earth, only exists because the worms that help keep the soils healthy, soils we use to farm food, it is the most important resource, along with water... Spice and water are the two fundamentals of life... Soil and water... Out of the soil came evolution like us great apes. The workers, engineers that work the fields, the soils are the operations that keep civilization going and feeds billions...
Hence the story ends with Duke Leto the 2nd actually transforming into a Worm-human hybrid, the God Emperor, salvation of mankind and its technology is the WORM... So that is the real point of the story... Its about a civilization held captive by the means that had it exist in the first place... Despite all great evolution... AI's robots, rebellions, SPICE, and etc...Its all worms... So Paul here is actually a means to an end by this internal force that took over humanities path, ending the reign of the emperor and giving it to the Atreides...
This is a great analysis, love your very symbolism heavy take, and I do think this was in Herbert's mind to an extent as he clearly was very interested in the science of the worm and science in general
You're also forgettin that the so called prophecy was actually planned by the one who can see everything except the one person the guy can't see
Yeah, the "planned prophecy" aspect is really interesting
A part of being a hero is making others small
Awesome thought
This will happen when the leaders of this days looks like the emperor and the harkonian
It's about giant fkon worms in da sand🪱🪱🪱
I had that feeling. I haven't read the book but after watching part 2, the movie looks like a modern day jihad.
Dune is great, but I think it's mostly the result of getting blitzed out of your mind on shrooms in the desert
If I wrote a book that sold 20m copies as a result of a trip I'd be happy
and it's not really about being a hero more than revenge
you can't stop a prophecy by exactly doing the prophecy's description of what gonna happen
So on prophecy I have a theory that what FH was going for was the ancient greek style story where trying to avoid the prophecy resulted in it happening. This is what happens in the story of Oedipus and there is a lot of symbolism in dune Messiah and children of dune which really closely resembles the Oedipus trilogy - weird incest stuff, people's parentage not being what they think, former king wandering into the wilderness after having their eyes removed, said ex king unexpectedly returning to save their kids