I would sometimes take a longer journey to avoid being on the central line for too long in one sitting. Or should that be 'standing'. Last time I used it was a week before the first lockdown. The usual horror mixed with genuine peril as hundreds of people crowded right around me.
Another interesting fact about the Central Line that I discovered in my early childhood underground geek days living in Woodford, is that other than at rush hours, the CentralLine is actually run as two lines, with the Epping branch trains running to the West Ruislip branch, and the Hainault loop trains running to Ealing Broadway. They mix and match a little during rush hours only.
The power station building at Wood Lane may be familiar to fans of 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit?', as it was used as the location for the climactic warehouse scene at the end of that movie.
Pipped me to it!! Used to spend a lot of my childhood around wood lane and remember them filming there! 😊 Wow. I must've been about 6yo back then .. how time flies, I've not seen the place in ages!
I recently moved to white city last summer, on my way to work I'd wait for my bus out side the wood lane building, I always wondered what it was used for. Thank you for the info..
When I was a boy I lived at North Acton. I used the line a lot. To Ealing Bdy and Notting Hill Gate. I always wanted to be a driver on the Central Line. My dream came true in 1990
I've heard lots of guys say that they dreamed of being a train/tube driver. It's not so common for someone who actually did become a driver to call it a "dream come true". It's good to hear. 😁👍 If you love your job, you'll never 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘 a day in your life.
Another feature of the construction was that trains approached stations on a slight upward gradient and departed on a downward one, to assist braking and acceleration respectively. Where the roadway above was constricted in width the tracks were stacked vertically rather than parallel eg under High Holborn.
Just last weekend I took a visit to Holland Park and remember taking a picture of the station because of how quaint it looked - it's always fun to find stuff you recognise in these vids :)
Drivers and guards on the main line, when working a multiple unit, will normally refer to their train as "a 10 car" or "a 5 car" etc. Platform signs will also frequently be a small square sign where the driver needs to stop his train in which it will have a number plus the word 'car' to inform them where to stop...
@3:15, so glad the American money did not result in destinations being referred to as uptown or downturn like Manhattan. Took me a while to work out how to navigate my way around New York City. @6:28, bizarre.
Another really interesting video. I enjoy learning stuff, and the points you made about design (the external appearance of the stations, the tiling and it's colour, and the intended effects of all these elements) are things I hadn't really thought too much about before. One of my favourite things to point out on the Central Line is that when you're going eastbound from Tottenham Court Road, looking out of the right side of the train just before Holborn affords you a glimpse of the tiles of British Museum station. It would be interesting to know how much of that station is still there.
Chancery Lane was my closest Tube Station when I lived in London 1984-86. It was closed on Sunday’s which meant a longer walk to either Holborn or Russell Square
I'm surprised you didn't mention how Paris-like the white tiled stations look, funny that the two systems opened in the same year! Great episode by the way, probably my favourite so far in this series.
Many thanks for this. The "flat fare" episode was certainly not flat! Indeed, thank you also for keeping up a steady stream of such interesting videos during lockdown. In addition to the national lockdown, I am concurrently on 4 weeks medical lockdown (for 2 weeks before and 2 weeks after a successful hip replacement op 10 days ago.) Your videos greatly help to make the experience more bearable.
I only have a passing interest in the tube but I find these videos really interesting I think because of the presenting style which whilst very informative doesn't get bogged down in too much technical detail and therefore become boring. This series has on occasion inspired me to go and research in more detail some points that have piqued my interest.
Here in the U.S., the white tile is a NY Subway [Tube? Underground?] fixture. In house remodeling, the white rectangle tile is known as 'Subway Tile'. When you said that the Rothschilds were involved, the use of the tile became clear. BTW - big thanks to you & Julie Andrews. I had no idea, where to start.
Great to see that despite all the modernisation and building works around Oxford Street/Oxford Circus over the years, that the original facade of the original Oxford Circus Station remains intact. 👍
Fascinating stuff as ever - my fun factoid that I picked up is that the Daily Mail went from making slogans for tube lines to becoming today the Railway Gazette where it thinks everything is vulgar!
I haven't heard "tuppence" since Australia went decimal in 1966. Thanks Jago, for expanding the memories of my visits to UK with your great videos. Btw, 10/- here, became $1, 5/- 50c, 1/- 10c, 6d 5c, 1d 2d both became 1c. Because 10/- (120 pence) was closer to 100 cents we bypassed much of the British confusion. If you lived here, you could do a video on that, lol. Cheers.
Feels so strange to hear Jago saying "two-penny" rather than "tuppenny" which was the universal pronunciation right up to the abolition of LSD (the coinage, not the drug) in 1971. Showing my age! The first decimal coinage was carefully described as "x new pence". A 2p piece was worth nearly 5d though it was about the same size as an old penny - the effect of inflation.
I remember visiting in 1986 and getting both pennies labeled "new pence", and some pre-decimalization shillings still circulating and functioning as 5p pieces. I think at least one of these had George V or George VI on it.
I am sure that I speak for many in stating what a refreshment these informative and fascinating videos are at this time of madness. Thank you, once again, Mr. Hazzard. Trivial footnote: The C.L.R. No.1 steam loco at 04:40.... love the four buffers at each end, presumably to give it dual coupling capability (condensers also noted).
When I was a girl, I had relations who lived in a top floor flat in Hyde Park Street, and the Central Line ran directly underneath - there was a distinct sway/vibration/feeling whenever a train went through!
The Central Line also used to run to Ongar in Essex but now terminates at Epping which is now a heritage railway called Epping and Ongar Railway. And there used to be a railway line that went from Ilford to Newbury Park and Hainault. Which parts of it is now literally gone and the other part is now a loop from Leytonstone to Hainault via Newbury Park. And is Underground beneath the A12 between Leytonstone and Newbury Park and from Woodford to Hainault via Roding Valley.
One of my favourite bits of LU trivia is that the points at the entrance Ongar station were chosen as 'milepost zero' when the Underground system was unified - the LPTB decided that all distance measurements on the Underground would be measured from Ongar, and that's still the case even though the station is no longer on the system because amending all the drawings and changing all the mileposts and signage would be too difficult.
When I went to junior school in the late 70’s in ilford to st Aiden’s primary school they had their playing field where the tracks used to run to Newbury Park you could walk in to tunnel where the road bridge passes over head the bridge is still there on Benton road next to the school butt for safety the entrance to the tunnel is blocked now great video
Used to stay in Bayswater and use Queensway and it's lifts quite often. The PA in the Lifts "Mind the doors" always used to remind me of an aged actress with a brandy and cigarette holder dramatically speaking into a scratchy microphone. Yeah I have a weird imagination
Apparently, the ridiculously tight curve at Bank station - which causes a rather dangerous 18" gap for passengers to brave, and an awful amount of wheel/rail wear - was necessitated by the need to avoid the gold vaults of the Bank of England, which happen to be mere yards away, directly horizontally, from the tunnel.
Amazed at the tunnels painted white. As someone who has had to walk the line from Waterloo to the Embankment station by torchlight many years ago this would have been a godsend. The problem being re the reason I was down there it would have shown up the blood too much. Thankfully I only had to do it once, I certainly couldn't do the track inspectors job night in night out.
Nice to see Greathead's statue briefly shown, appropriately situated just above Bank station. Other significant fact was that the Central London was both very popular and financially successful. This helped raise capital from enthusiastic investors for the next generation of tube lines, the Bakerloo, Northern and Piccadilly lines, which were rather less remunerative.
As usual, an addendum; the camelback locomotives(also used on the Metropolitan),were also known as Steeplecabs, and produced by GE/Alco,and Baldwin/Westinghouse,and there were a fair number built! The Central London's,were GE,and as noted rebuilt,and so noted in the literature of the period! Any way,a number of British manufacturers got licenses and produced motors,controllers,and sundry electrical gear,for British home consumption! Dick-Kerr,English Electric,as examples,and still extant to this day,and time! Enough history,thank you Jago,for the juxtaposition of English and American tube culture underground! Very enjoyable,and please continue,as there is still much to uncover underground, ha,lol! 😀😇🤣
Yes you have got me now looking out for more interesting topics on your channel , ! I too like railways as well, didn't the central ran all the way to ongar part of the eastern ? Great film thankyou !
Having travelled on the Central Line for over 50 years, I have what can only be best described as a 'love/hate' relationship with it; I even try to avoid it in high Summer when possible because of its notorious overcrowding at all times of day and night. I well remember the introduction of the new rolling stock in 1993, now nearly as old as the rolling stock it replaced, with its individual opening doors and faster journey times; typically, these fully-automated trains were soon downgraded by TfL to having their door opening controlled by the driver (presumably to give something for him/her to do) and their speed drastically reduced on sections of the line. Hardly what you would call progress...
Might be interesting to look at some of the odd adjustments the tube makes sometimes. I have twice seen trains going through Upton Park labelled as Circle line; and, the day after the recent strike they had one running through there to Olympia.
Interesting. I really need to visit the capital again (I haven't been for twenty years, I was only a kid then) and experience some of these railways for myself.
In the 60s there was a de facto flat fare on the tube. Unscrupulous young people would pay 1/- ,5p. at the ticket barrier claiming to have come from the previous station. Some of the central stations actually had "excess fare" ticket windows. Some were caught out if a ticket inspector got on and the passenger couldn't remember the previous station that they were supposed to have got on at. Never happened to me of course...... Thanks JH.
The original CLR cars had an unusual feature, they were built with two different accommodation (akin to first and second class). CLR had originally intended to have two classes of travel, but before opening scrapped the idea.... but leaving the accommodation as planned.
The Central line has the oldest routes anywhere on the tube, swallowing up the old Great Eastern railway from Leyton to Loughton (1856), predating the original London Underground from 1863.
Great video. Never really noticed the tiled ceilings at stations like Chancery Lane before, but will look out for them! The original station building at Shepherd's Bush lasted until 2008, until it was replaced as part of the Westfield work
Another American aspect of the Central Line were it's first electric locos. They were shipped as CKD kits and erected at the Wood Lane Depot. I too echo the call for features on the Central's Eastern and Western extension, especially since l was born in Epping and lived in Debden. I have found memories of the line in 1950s. Standard stock , J15s on pick freights and the Epping-Ongar push pull. Best of all, the Eastbourne and Brighton excursions that ran in the Summer. Actually...BR trains on LT tracks-now that's got to be an interesting Tale from the Tube!
Just found you, loving Tales from the Tube, would love a video about some of the odd connection between the lines, such as Kings Cross Loop, Baker Street?
Another excellent video, please keep them coming! Pleased to see a shout out for Holland Park - a beautiful station which (especially before the recent facelift) felt very much "original".
Excellent video. One tiny (but important) correction ... it was the “Tuppenny Tube” not the “Two-Penny Tube”. “Tuppenny Tube” (often reduced to “Tup’ny Tube”) rolls off the tongue easier, but more importantly, no-one ever said “two-pence” before 1971 and decimal money ... it was tuppence! Just in case anyone would like to know a little more:- 2d was always pronounced “tuppence”. Two-and-a-half old pence was “tupp’nce-‘aypny”. It was worth a lot more in 1971 when the average weekly wage was £28 per week. The average weekly wage today is not far off £600 so it’s difficult for us to imagine paying 2d ( just under 1p in today’s money) to travel any distance in the Central Line. But back in 1900 the average wage was just under £1 a week, so tuppence (2d) was quite a lot of money, probably about £2.
“tupp’nce-‘aypny”? Those of us who were better brought up definitely said "tuppence hape-ny", pronouncing the "h"! (For those who don't understand what we're talking about, "hape-ny" - or "'aypny" - was an abbreviation for half-penny. And since the half-new-penny was done away with, we no longer even have a reason to say "hape-ny"!)
In several cases, the names of London Underground lines are taken from the private companies that started them in the early days. The Washington [DC] Metro has colours instead of numbers or letters for its lines. From oldest to newest, they are the Red, Blue, Orange, Yellow, Green, and Silver.
The Central Line always fascinated me as a kid, but I frequented The Circle, the Met, and Districtlnes far more often as I lived in W1. There was an ITV TV show called "Department S" that had an episode filmed on the (I believe) Central Line called "Last Train to Redbridge" with bizarre Multiple murders in the same car on the tube train, They also use an abandoned tube station they called "Post Office". Not sure if that was the actual station or not. I love your Underground uploads!
@@JagoHazzard As the show was filmed in 1970, maybe that was the actual station they used then? The episode had been on youtube but has since been removed.
Back in the day of shillings, "two pence" and "two penny" were universally pronounced "tuppence" and "tuppenny" but for some reason very rarely written that way.
We still had the hapenny into the 80s! (and a lovely one pound note too) It’s curious how much inflation blighted societies whose central banks weren’t money-printing with insane contemporary abandon... _ooh, missus, little bit a’politics._
I'd love to see a video on the Central London Railway's plans to have a section branching off at Shepherd's Bush then running through Hammersmith and meeting the District Line at Turnham Green to go to Richmond
Excellent introduction to the Central Line and some fascinating insights into the American influences which still exist today. I really enjoyed it. However, there is much more to say on the subject and your story inevitably had many gaps. So, minding the gaps, might I suggest that the Central line deserves a Part 2 and even a Part 3? What do you think?
With such a massive subject, there will always be gaps to mind. Vast volumes have been written about the Underground and even they have gaps. This series of short, kinda self-contained, episodes can continue almost indefinitely, adding more and more detail, until Jago(or his audience) gets bored with it. There will always be more to add; that's part of the fascination for me. Each one of these videos gives enough info to encourage more in-depth research. Each one may only be a few minutes long but they all contain a wealth of interest - fantastic series and it could continue for a long, long time(hopefully).
Enjoyed. Another topic at some stage - the closing of stations on central line - Ongar in particular and the train that runs only at weekends usually in the summer months from Ongar to Epping is interesting
My late father's family lived in Chipping Ongar, and I stayed there several times as a kid - and went to Epping on the train. My older cousin showed me the scorpions in the wall at Ongar station - I was fascinated - at seven years old (1970), scorpions are pretty damn cool. The railway is a rather pretty run through the countryside; a few years ago, I went on a train pulled by the 'Metropolitan No. 1' engine, which, unfortunately broke down between Blake Hall (the least used station on the whole of the LU, and now a house), and North Weald. All my father's family are long gone, now, and I have no reason to visit Ongar - unless they reconnect the line to London...
Don't know why they called the early motor units 'Camelbacks' as the cabs did not sit on the loco, but were just central in the loco. I expect those Yankee investors had something to do with it, as US steam locos had proper camelback variants. On the subject of draughtsmen who can't draw straight lines, they're working in my office now, but strangely, we don't have a tube under.the office.
I'm tempted to say that's US influenced but...yeah no this is the first time I've heard Camelback on an electric loco. We had some similarly shaped electrics way back when, but I've only ever heard them called Centercab or Steeplecab. Camelback is new, but kinda fits for those squat electrics
Power Station ‘Exhibition London Venue’? One side houses buses, it’s possible to see inside and it still has the green tiling, the other side is closed and not possible to see inside, but I think it’s now a substation for the line. This is the side closer to the new bus station.
I use to have a recurring nightmare about the Central Line. My nightmare would usually happen around 8-9am and 5-6pm.
A trip at any time on the Central Line is a bit over a nightmare tbh.
@@izzieb especially in the summer
@@izzieb fortunately it doesn’t serve paddington or passengers from GWR would have been pumped into the tube.
I would sometimes take a longer journey to avoid being on the central line for too long in one sitting. Or should that be 'standing'. Last time I used it was a week before the first lockdown. The usual horror mixed with genuine peril as hundreds of people crowded right around me.
@@izzieb it really is scary to think about it
Another interesting fact about the Central Line that I discovered in my early childhood underground geek days living in Woodford, is that other than at rush hours, the CentralLine is actually run as two lines, with the Epping branch trains running to the West Ruislip branch, and the Hainault loop trains running to Ealing Broadway. They mix and match a little during rush hours only.
Ooh! I never knew that! Thank-you👍👍👌
Wow! I've never heard that before. Thanks :-)
I Dont understand
Thank you for explaining this i just thought it was a narrow super deep and hot tube line
@@adonaiyah2196 Iis very simple. Epping trains run to West Ruislip and Haimault trains run to Ealing Broadway..
The power station building at Wood Lane may be familiar to fans of 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit?', as it was used as the location for the climactic warehouse scene at the end of that movie.
I didn’t know that!
Great factoid!
Great trivia, it should be in a quiz somewhere. 🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰
Pipped me to it!! Used to spend a lot of my childhood around wood lane and remember them filming there! 😊 Wow. I must've been about 6yo back then .. how time flies, I've not seen the place in ages!
I recently moved to white city last summer, on my way to work I'd wait for my bus out side the wood lane building, I always wondered what it was used for. Thank you for the info..
Nicely set yourself up for a follow-on on the extremities of the Central line !
Hainault loop is a must. Epping and Ongar is rich pickings too.
When I was a boy I lived at North Acton. I used the line a lot. To Ealing Bdy and Notting Hill Gate. I always wanted to be a driver on the Central Line. My dream came true in 1990
I've heard lots of guys say that they dreamed of being a train/tube driver. It's not so common for someone who actually did become a driver to call it a "dream come true". It's good to hear. 😁👍
If you love your job, you'll never 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘 a day in your life.
Another feature of the construction was that trains approached stations on a slight upward gradient and departed on a downward one, to assist braking and acceleration respectively. Where the roadway above was constricted in width the tracks were stacked vertically rather than parallel eg under High Holborn.
Brilliant trivia. Is that the case with any other lines?
@@plebjames Jubilee also has those ups and downs ;).
@@plebjames Yes. The Piccadilly Line at South Kensington is stacked.
Thanks :)
@@plebjames "Humps" at stations are especially obvious on the Glasgow Subway.
I took tube from leytonstone to hainult via 'the long way round' with old carriages made of wood with old gas light fittings. Fond memories.
Just last weekend I took a visit to Holland Park and remember taking a picture of the station because of how quaint it looked - it's always fun to find stuff you recognise in these vids :)
It’s amazing to see all the remnants of old lines
Drivers and guards on the main line, when working a multiple unit, will normally refer to their train as "a 10 car" or "a 5 car" etc. Platform signs will also frequently be a small square sign where the driver needs to stop his train in which it will have a number plus the word 'car' to inform them where to stop...
@3:15, so glad the American money did not result in destinations being referred to as uptown or downturn like Manhattan. Took me a while to work out how to navigate my way around New York City. @6:28, bizarre.
Another really interesting video.
I enjoy learning stuff, and the points you made about design (the external appearance of the stations, the tiling and it's colour, and the intended effects of all these elements) are things I hadn't really thought too much about before.
One of my favourite things to point out on the Central Line is that when you're going eastbound from Tottenham Court Road, looking out of the right side of the train just before Holborn affords you a glimpse of the tiles of British Museum station. It would be interesting to know how much of that station is still there.
Chancery Lane was my closest Tube Station when I lived in London 1984-86.
It was closed on Sunday’s which meant a longer walk to either Holborn or Russell Square
I'm surprised you didn't mention how Paris-like the white tiled stations look, funny that the two systems opened in the same year! Great episode by the way, probably my favourite so far in this series.
*sniffle* You showed Holland Park station. I call that area my home away from home and it always brings a tear to my eye. *sigh*
When some one says Shepherds Bush, I automatically add on "Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush".
@TheRenaissanceman65 they are market traders, that’s why they even talk about ending up in Croydon.
No income tax, no VAT
Many thanks for this. The "flat fare" episode was certainly not flat! Indeed, thank you also for keeping up a steady stream of such interesting videos during lockdown. In addition to the national lockdown, I am concurrently on 4 weeks medical lockdown (for 2 weeks before and 2 weeks after a successful hip replacement op 10 days ago.) Your videos greatly help to make the experience more bearable.
I only have a passing interest in the tube but I find these videos really interesting I think because of the presenting style which whilst very informative doesn't get bogged down in too much technical detail and therefore become boring. This series has on occasion inspired me to go and research in more detail some points that have piqued my interest.
Completely agree.👍
The line actually opened from Shepherd's Bush to Bank in 1900, Liverpool Street opened in 1912.
Thanks. Love your voice.
Here in the U.S., the white tile is a NY Subway [Tube? Underground?] fixture. In house remodeling, the white rectangle tile is known as 'Subway Tile'. When you said that the Rothschilds were involved, the use of the tile became clear. BTW - big thanks to you & Julie Andrews. I had no idea, where to start.
Awesome channel. I live in Austria and still I really enjoy your videos. London has so much history.
Great to see that despite all the modernisation and building works around Oxford Street/Oxford Circus over the years, that the original facade of the original Oxford Circus Station remains intact. 👍
Fascinating stuff as ever - my fun factoid that I picked up is that the Daily Mail went from making slogans for tube lines to becoming today the Railway Gazette where it thinks everything is vulgar!
Blessed be the wonderful Daily Mail.
I haven't heard "tuppence" since Australia went decimal in 1966. Thanks Jago, for expanding the memories of my visits to UK with your great videos. Btw, 10/- here, became $1, 5/- 50c, 1/- 10c, 6d 5c, 1d 2d both became 1c. Because 10/- (120 pence) was closer to 100 cents we bypassed much of the British confusion. If you lived here, you could do a video on that, lol. Cheers.
I have an old Australian sixpence. I’m in the U.K and have no idea how it came into my possession.
So £1 became $2? I can dig that.
Feels so strange to hear Jago saying "two-penny" rather than "tuppenny" which was the universal pronunciation right up to the abolition of LSD (the coinage, not the drug) in 1971. Showing my age! The first decimal coinage was carefully described as "x new pence". A 2p piece was worth nearly 5d though it was about the same size as an old penny - the effect of inflation.
I still get some “new pence” pieces in my change, I tend to spend them last :)
I remember visiting in 1986 and getting both pennies labeled "new pence", and some pre-decimalization shillings still circulating and functioning as 5p pieces. I think at least one of these had George V or George VI on it.
It only opened to Bank in 1900, the Liverpool St extension followed a few years later.
I am sure that I speak for many in stating what a refreshment these informative and fascinating videos are at this time of madness. Thank you, once again, Mr. Hazzard. Trivial footnote: The C.L.R. No.1 steam loco at 04:40.... love the four buffers at each end, presumably to give it dual coupling capability (condensers also noted).
When I was a girl, I had relations who lived in a top floor flat in Hyde Park Street, and the Central Line ran directly underneath - there was a distinct sway/vibration/feeling whenever a train went through!
The Central Line also used to run to Ongar in Essex but now terminates at Epping which is now a heritage railway called Epping and Ongar Railway. And there used to be a railway line that went from Ilford to Newbury Park and Hainault.
Which parts of it is now literally gone and the other part is now a loop from Leytonstone to Hainault via Newbury Park. And is Underground beneath the A12 between Leytonstone and Newbury Park and from Woodford to Hainault via Roding Valley.
One of my favourite bits of LU trivia is that the points at the entrance Ongar station were chosen as 'milepost zero' when the Underground system was unified - the LPTB decided that all distance measurements on the Underground would be measured from Ongar, and that's still the case even though the station is no longer on the system because amending all the drawings and changing all the mileposts and signage would be too difficult.
When I went to junior school in the late 70’s in ilford to st Aiden’s primary school they had their playing field where the tracks used to run to Newbury Park you could walk in to tunnel where the road bridge passes over head the bridge is still there on Benton road next to the school butt for safety the entrance to the tunnel is blocked now great video
Interesting. Thanks folks ☺️
Used to stay in Bayswater and use Queensway and it's lifts quite often. The PA in the Lifts "Mind the doors" always used to remind me of an aged actress with a brandy and cigarette holder dramatically speaking into a scratchy microphone.
Yeah I have a weird imagination
"...but I just like steam trains..." made me laugh.
Apparently, the ridiculously tight curve at Bank station - which causes a rather dangerous 18" gap for passengers to brave, and an awful amount of wheel/rail wear - was necessitated by the need to avoid the gold vaults of the Bank of England, which happen to be mere yards away, directly horizontally, from the tunnel.
Amazed at the tunnels painted white. As someone who has had to walk the line from Waterloo to the Embankment station by torchlight many years ago this would have been a godsend. The problem being re the reason I was down there it would have shown up the blood too much. Thankfully I only had to do it once, I certainly couldn't do the track inspectors job night in night out.
Am I the only one that automatically clicks 👍 LIKE before even watching Jago Hazzard's videos? Because, you know, quality guaranteed....
We all do!!
Great video! I recently had the pleasure of working on the restoration of one of the buildings featured in this video.
Excellent, as always, and I especially like the touches of humor (or is that humour?)!
Nice to see Greathead's statue briefly shown, appropriately situated just above Bank station. Other significant fact was that the Central London was both very popular and financially successful. This helped raise capital from enthusiastic investors for the next generation of tube lines, the Bakerloo, Northern and Piccadilly lines, which were rather less remunerative.
This channel is aggressively british. I love it
And the hump profile. 1 in 30 leaving the station and 1 in 60 approaching a station. Gravity is a useful ally.
As usual, an addendum; the camelback locomotives(also used on the Metropolitan),were also known as Steeplecabs, and produced by GE/Alco,and Baldwin/Westinghouse,and there were a fair number built! The Central London's,were GE,and as noted rebuilt,and so noted in the literature of the period! Any way,a number of British manufacturers got licenses and produced motors,controllers,and sundry electrical gear,for British home consumption! Dick-Kerr,English Electric,as examples,and still extant to this day,and time! Enough history,thank you Jago,for the juxtaposition of English and American tube culture underground! Very enjoyable,and please continue,as there is still much to uncover underground, ha,lol! 😀😇🤣
As someone who works for the mtce of this line I can say this
Very well done good sir
What is mtce?
Maintenance
Thanks
Wonderful! Thank you. And you never need an excuse to show us pictures of steam locomotives. 👍
Yes you have got me now looking out for more interesting topics on your channel , ! I too like railways as well, didn't the central ran all the way to ongar part of the eastern ? Great film thankyou !
The central Line, I have to say, is one of may favourites. I love the sound and the acceleration of the 92 stock.
I have some videos on the Central Line on the way...
A fascinating video on the ‘up market’ Central Line - I look forward to your future videos on the Central Line as you ‘dig deeper’.
Fabulous as I used this in 70s from W12 to St Pauls...
Having travelled on the Central Line for over 50 years, I have what can only be best described as a 'love/hate' relationship with it; I even try to avoid it in high Summer when possible because of its notorious overcrowding at all times of day and night.
I well remember the introduction of the new rolling stock in 1993, now nearly as old as the rolling stock it replaced, with its individual opening doors and faster journey times; typically, these fully-automated trains were soon downgraded by TfL to having their door opening controlled by the driver (presumably to give something for him/her to do) and their speed drastically reduced on sections of the line.
Hardly what you would call progress...
Might be interesting to look at some of the odd adjustments the tube makes sometimes. I have twice seen trains going through Upton Park labelled as Circle line; and, the day after the recent strike they had one running through there to Olympia.
Interesting. I really need to visit the capital again (I haven't been for twenty years, I was only a kid then) and experience some of these railways for myself.
I gotta say, I'm definitely grateful for westbound/eastbound terminology. Very easy to navigate when you're not a regular user.
When you do a video of the extremities of the central line, i hope you mention the old connecting line from Redbridge to Ilford (now tfl rail) depot.
Thank you for the great uploads! Keeps me entertained during lockdown 2.0.
In the 60s there was a de facto flat fare on the tube. Unscrupulous young people would pay 1/- ,5p. at the ticket barrier claiming to have come from the previous station. Some of the central stations actually had "excess fare" ticket windows. Some were caught out if a ticket inspector got on and the passenger couldn't remember the previous station that they were supposed to have got on at. Never happened to me of course......
Thanks JH.
Interesting video and to learn that the tracks follow the streets above.
Thanks for posting Jagp.
The original CLR cars had an unusual feature, they were built with two different accommodation (akin to first and second class). CLR had originally intended to have two classes of travel, but before opening scrapped the idea.... but leaving the accommodation as planned.
I’ve always liked the ‘tube’...but your videos have really peaked my interest...thank you Jago 👍🏻
I recall holding onto hanging leather straps while standing on the underground, and to dangling spring loaded balls
Great video jago, very interesting tube history, my favourite subject👍👌😃
Another fantastic video, I’ve always been fascinated with railways and the underground is a timeless innovation! Great job
Always a pleasure to watch your videos, they very informative! 😀🇬🇧
Nine people disliked this. What is that about? You know what you are getting from the title. Another excellent video Jago. Thanks.
The Central line has the oldest routes anywhere on the tube, swallowing up the old Great Eastern railway from Leyton to Loughton (1856), predating the original London Underground from 1863.
Not really into Tube trains myself but enjoy the history and the Humour.
Excellent and informative. I'm catching up a lot on the transport history of the city in which I lived for six years, thanks to you.
Great video. Never really noticed the tiled ceilings at stations like Chancery Lane before, but will look out for them! The original station building at Shepherd's Bush lasted until 2008, until it was replaced as part of the Westfield work
Another American aspect of the Central Line were it's first electric locos. They were shipped as CKD kits and erected at the Wood Lane Depot. I too echo the call for features on the Central's Eastern and Western extension, especially since l was born in Epping and lived in Debden. I have found memories of the line in 1950s. Standard stock , J15s on pick freights and the Epping-Ongar push pull. Best of all, the Eastbourne and Brighton excursions that ran in the Summer. Actually...BR trains on LT tracks-now that's got to be an interesting Tale from the Tube!
can you make a video about the Hammersmith grove road to Addison road video
Just found you, loving Tales from the Tube, would love a video about some of the odd connection between the lines, such as Kings Cross Loop, Baker Street?
Another excellent video, please keep them coming! Pleased to see a shout out for Holland Park - a beautiful station which (especially before the recent facelift) felt very much "original".
When Jago said “lets start at the very beginning..” I didn’t expect to see Maria!
Excellent video. One tiny (but important) correction ... it was the “Tuppenny Tube” not the “Two-Penny Tube”.
“Tuppenny Tube” (often reduced to “Tup’ny Tube”) rolls off the tongue easier, but more importantly, no-one ever said “two-pence” before 1971 and decimal money ... it was tuppence!
Just in case anyone would like to know a little more:-
2d was always pronounced “tuppence”. Two-and-a-half old pence was “tupp’nce-‘aypny”.
It was worth a lot more in 1971 when the average weekly wage was £28 per week.
The average weekly wage today is not far off £600 so it’s difficult for us to imagine paying 2d ( just under 1p in today’s money) to travel any distance in the Central Line. But back in 1900 the average wage was just under £1 a week, so tuppence (2d) was quite a lot of money, probably about £2.
“tupp’nce-‘aypny”? Those of us who were better brought up definitely said "tuppence hape-ny", pronouncing the "h"! (For those who don't understand what we're talking about, "hape-ny" - or "'aypny" - was an abbreviation for half-penny. And since the half-new-penny was done away with, we no longer even have a reason to say "hape-ny"!)
I do enjoy your videos. Thank you from a locked down London. :-).
I was told bank has a tight curve because it misses the Bank of England vaults!
'The Central Line' is a self-made advert. It's a mystery why other country's systems choose dull numbers and letters for their lines!
In several cases, the names of London Underground lines are taken from the private companies that started them in the early days. The Washington [DC] Metro has colours instead of numbers or letters for its lines. From oldest to newest, they are the Red, Blue, Orange, Yellow, Green, and Silver.
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Very well done episode Jago Hazzard!
Stimulating and relaxing at the same time! bravo
Ealing Broadway(s) has to be the best destination to visit, plus the truncated extension to Denham
Great video, looking forward to the next tale from the tube
Love those history type videos! Very entertaining 🥰
Awesome! Perfect way to start my Friday off ☺️
Keep up the good work fella and stay safe!
Yay! New video!
The Central Line always fascinated me as a kid, but I frequented The Circle, the Met, and Districtlnes far more often as I lived in W1. There was an ITV TV show called "Department S" that had an episode filmed on the (I believe) Central Line called "Last Train to Redbridge" with bizarre Multiple murders in the same car on the tube train, They also use an abandoned tube station they called "Post Office". Not sure if that was the actual station or not. I love your Underground uploads!
There was a station called Post Office, but it was actually the original name for St Paul’s.
@@JagoHazzard As the show was filmed in 1970, maybe that was the actual station they used then? The episode had been on youtube but has since been removed.
Brilliant episode that. Thanks jago
We love a flat fare tale from the tube. Information and doesn’t break the bank.
I can't wait to rewatch these videos in 20 years to see the difference.
Back in the day of shillings, "two pence" and "two penny" were universally pronounced "tuppence" and "tuppenny" but for some reason very rarely written that way.
Don’t forget ‘Thruppence’!
Indeed. And, given the American influence, it might've been called the "Tuppenny Toob". :)
1968 pop song ‘Tuppenny Bus Ride’ - no mention of the tube though. Pronounced as always ‘tuppny’.
We still had the hapenny into the 80s! (and a lovely one pound note too) It’s curious how much inflation blighted societies whose central banks weren’t money-printing with insane contemporary abandon... _ooh, missus, little bit a’politics._
@@pibgorn9513 Oooh' Very Brooklyn = "Toob" :)
I'd love to see a video on the Central London Railway's plans to have a section branching off at Shepherd's Bush then running through Hammersmith and meeting the District Line at Turnham Green to go to Richmond
This is definitely one of your better videos. Lots of interesting Tube facts. Enjoyed it.
@MusicalElitist1 Great input there!
Excellent introduction to the Central Line and some fascinating insights into the American influences which still exist today. I really enjoyed it. However, there is much more to say on the subject and your story inevitably had many gaps. So, minding the gaps, might I suggest that the Central line deserves a Part 2 and even a Part 3? What do you think?
With such a massive subject, there will always be gaps to mind. Vast volumes have been written about the Underground and even they have gaps. This series of short, kinda self-contained, episodes can continue almost indefinitely, adding more and more detail, until Jago(or his audience) gets bored with it. There will always be more to add; that's part of the fascination for me.
Each one of these videos gives enough info to encourage more in-depth research. Each one may only be a few minutes long but they all contain a wealth of interest - fantastic series and it could continue for a long, long time(hopefully).
Well, Jago certainly got his tuppence worth in about the Central Line :)
Yep, you can Bank on that!
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A great video to watch with my morning coffee
Fascinating as always. Cheers.
Ooh, a Tale from the Tube about a bona fide Tube line! Interesting as ever :)
Excellent episode as usual! Great content, but well spiced with that sprinkling of dry humour. But what do I know? ;-)
@4:34 Aight not going to lie, that carriage looks pretty dope!
Enjoyed. Another topic at some stage - the closing of stations on central line - Ongar in particular and the train that runs only at weekends usually in the summer months from Ongar to Epping is interesting
My late father's family lived in Chipping Ongar, and I stayed there several times as a kid - and went to Epping on the train. My older cousin showed me the scorpions in the wall at Ongar station - I was fascinated - at seven years old (1970), scorpions are pretty damn cool. The railway is a rather pretty run through the countryside; a few years ago, I went on a train pulled by the 'Metropolitan No. 1' engine, which, unfortunately broke down between Blake Hall (the least used station on the whole of the LU, and now a house), and North Weald. All my father's family are long gone, now, and I have no reason to visit Ongar - unless they reconnect the line to London...
Don't know why they called the early motor units 'Camelbacks' as the cabs did not sit on the loco, but were just central in the loco. I expect those Yankee investors had something to do with it, as US steam locos had proper camelback variants. On the subject of draughtsmen who can't draw straight lines, they're working in my office now, but strangely, we don't have a tube under.the office.
Maybe because the cabs had a hump in the middle of the cab?
@TheRenaissanceman65 I was responding to Ros5446, not you, because he said he didn’t know why they were called camelbacks.
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The electric equivalent of a double Fairlie
I'm tempted to say that's US influenced but...yeah no this is the first time I've heard Camelback on an electric loco. We had some similarly shaped electrics way back when, but I've only ever heard them called Centercab or Steeplecab. Camelback is new, but kinda fits for those squat electrics
Power Station ‘Exhibition London Venue’? One side houses buses, it’s possible to see inside and it still has the green tiling, the other side is closed and not possible to see inside, but I think it’s now a substation for the line. This is the side closer to the new bus station.
Wow! You know Julie Andrews? No wonder this channel is expanding so quickly.