Ohh, a sponsor! How long will it be before he’s regaling us with the joys of Raid-Shadow Legends?.. Kidding, pleased for you. Sponsors mean you’re getting noticed and you deserve it.
I just realised just how much research you do for these videos. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have no idea why I like your videos so much. I don't live in London, or even the UK. I don't particularly like London if I'm being honest. The whole train thing some people is fascinated about isn't something I care about. My view on the tube is that it should work and be on time when I use it. That's about it. But I absolutely adore your videos. They are almost like a balm for my soul (is that an expression in English?) and kind of feels like meditating. Whatever the reason, thank you. Whenever I see you've posted it makes that day a better day. Oh, and congratulations to your first sponsorship!
That three-parter worked nicely. How about a similar approach to the Overground? And it would also be interesting to look at all of the various projects for getting to Heathrow from central London.
One might argue (here I am feeling argumentative) that with the creation of the Victoria line, the tube had "come together". From then on up to present, its been evolving. (or in the case of the circle line - revolving). The interesting things is London Transport trying to say that the Crossrail "Purple Line" (Reading to Shenfield) is a sort of underground line whereas the Thameslink line (Brighton to Bedford) is just Thameslink and part of BR. London Transport is evolving its remit to the point where the Underground as an entity is starting to get blurred around the edges. Maybe Aylesbury to Southend needs reconsidering? Re-Marooning the suburbs
Very interesting point about Crossrail and Thameslink. I certainly don't think of Crossrail as an Underground line. Both are more like the Paris RERs. Don't think the Circle Line can revolve any more with the Hammersmith adjunct - it would go "thump - thump" like a wheel with a flat.
Simply an amazing, ripping, beyond mammoth presentation of everything that I was too lazy to find elsewhere...thank you for the great work, truly! The series was so big my iPhone couldn’t display everything. Can’t wait for the sequel to the sequel.
Really great video series. One thing id note is that the East London line was actually connected to the District/Metropolitan via "St Marys curve". A curve of railway near an abandoned station which you can still see when travelling Eastbound from Aldgate east. Trains used to run via this curve, though i have no source myself on how frequently this was. Most sources seem to indicate the use of the curve was short lived in passenger usage, but remained in place for stock movements before being cut off in the east london line extension works. Wikipedia seems to suggest this service ran 1884-1938, which makes sense as the lines ran multiple odd routes till 1939 such as trains to Southend on the District line. The H+C was born out of trying to remove the complexity of the various branches of the Metropolitan. Its likely the trains in 1933 running the what we now know as the H+C service would use the east london line. Given they eventually terminated at Whitechapel instead - though now extended to Barking mostly to relieve congestion and the reversing platforms being demolished for crossrail.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that some of the Metropolitan trains ran on to the ELL and terminated at New Cross. But I can't remember when that was - probably many years ago. I haven't actually been on the ELL since it became the Overground, so my main memories of it is still of the amount of water that used to pour out of the tunnel (!) and how tiny the old Tube stock looked compared to the vast proportions of the Thames Tunnel! Normal sized trains just won't look the same...
I do remember the East London Line's becoming its own thing, but couldn't tell you the exact date. However, it was closed for several years in the 1990s to refurbish the tunnel (nearly didn't happen, I believe). It wasn't a stub line for long - originally there was a link to the District line and another to Liverpool Street - and now, of course, it links round London!
I used it in the late '70s and at Shoreditch you could see the lines to Liverpool Street just past a mound of sand at the end of the East London line. During the closure they had some public walkthroughs of the Brunel tunnel, which were very popular - waited in the queue for what seemed like hours.
Jago has a sponsor now! And nearly 100k subscribers! I remember when there were less than a 10th of that. Love to watch a TH-camr you really like grow in popularity
I feel irrationally proud that I've been around for most of it. I can't wait for the Jago/Geoff and Vicki/Map Men/Tom Scott mash up (perhaps with added SloMoGuys) at which point my youtube will be complete!
Privatisation was in 97. I transferred from Glasgow to Reading under rule 10b in 95. Which no longer existed with privatisation. And BR lasted 49 years.
How about the loco hauled services especially on the Metropolitan out towards Metroland. I remember them in 1957. I was at the Met Office Training School in Stanmore and used the Metropolitan from where I was in digs in Preston Road to Wembley Park before changing onto the Bakerloo. Because they were slam-door coaches and coupled in a rake with a separate loco rather than an EMU, they didn't have a dedicated guard to driver communication and the guard used the brass ferrule on his green flag to short out the wires along the platform which would ring a bell by the driver.
Maybe with the extra travel budget you can afford to have a gander at the GCR London Extension whenever possible (completing the Watkin set of Metroland, The Inner Circle, Catford, the Tower and the Channel Tunnel). It would also be a good excuse to start branching out beyond London (and get my local city, Leicester, featured!)
I keep sobbing. You think you know what happiness is but then you actually experience it and and... I didn't know life could be this way. I'm the mother of the world and my love for you all is boundless. Home is my bosom, rest and replenish, nourish yourselves on my life-giving colostrum. All danger and conflict is drifting away on the breeze and soon we'll smile as we try and fail to remember it. Our mortal forms are gently departing. Let us say farewell to pain and become infinity. For we are love, we are one. We always were. Use code Jago at heaven's gate and don't forget to smash that amen button.
Mention of the opening of the Victoria Line reminds of looking at a tube map in the Angel station twenty years later, still not including the new line. No rush.
There is a really bad "All Platforms" pun somewhere in the SurfShark spiel, but it needs careful crafting to be as bad as possible without losing the sponsorship...
The East London Line is so named (as a distinct "LINE" in all caps) by 1985 at the latest, according to the London Tube Map Archive (www.clarksbury.com/cdl/maps.html). The previous map there (from 1977) only shows it as the East London "Section" (in mixed case) of the Metropolitan Line. (Edit: it looks like the name change happened in 1984-85. There are 2 maps currently listed on a popular auction site that are claimed to be from 1984, one only showing Heathrow Terminal 1 and the "East London Section," the other showing the line to Heathrow Terminal 4 under construction, and the "East London Line" as a separately named "Line.") Funnily enough, I've seen online copies of 2 of Beck's original maps from 1933, one showing it as the "East London Line" and another as the "East London Railway"; but by 1934, it had been absorbed into the Metropolitan Line.
Well, a pretty thorough potted history of the Underground in Jago's inimitable style, superb as ever. A couple of tiny additions; the Northern Heights plan was only partially completed but some of this (Mill Hill East-Edgware-Aldenham-Bushey Heath) was due to the introduction of the Green Belt, while the Central Line takeovers were all completed except West Ruislip-Denham. Jago carefully states the East London was the first entire tube line to be transferred out of LT; Aylesbury-Amersham (Metropolitan), which went much earlier, was just a section, and likewise Bakerloo trains which were cut back from Watford Junction to Harrow and Wealdstone (but had never owned the route).
I recognise the station at 1:25 and again at 4:54 as Drayton Park. Having worked in the City in the 90's I regularly travelled on that line from New Barnet into Moorgate. Happy memories ! 😎👍👍
How the Met line was operated is a quite fascinating tale...... It had one Line Controller who controlled all of it including Hammersmith (Met) and the East London Line. The Distict Line Controller controlled the south side of the Circle and of course covered the Met trains from Aldgate East to Barking. Barking train crew depot also had a Met Line roster there and the Barking SM looked after the Met crews. Underground line depots are divided into sections (District East for example is Barking and Upminster) and the Met was similar. Met Line West was Hammersmith and Baker Street, Met Line North was Neasden, Rickmansworh & Uxbridge while Met Line East was Barking, New Cross and Drayton Park). Until OPO conversion started in the early 1980s, Neasden, Rickmansworh & Baker Street crews worked the Met Main and Circle Line, Hammersmith crews just the Hammersmith & City Line, Barking crews the H&C plus a few jobs on the East London Line while New Cross did mostly East London Line plus a few jobs on the H&C. Drayton Park just covered the Northern City, it was still part of the Met empire until closed and handed over to BR! The 38s on there were 6 car trains (2 x 3 car units) and were maintained at Neasden rather than being any part of the 7 car Northern Line fleet of trains, one of these historical oddities...... A friend of mine is an ex train crew manager and worked at Barking in the 1970s, he even had dealings with Driver Newson who was the driver in the Moorgate disaster, he had been a guard at Barking for a while before he got his drivers job at Drayton Park......
@@JagoHazzard More likely TfL rail ? I suspect Covid impacts ./franchises and how the govt might react to the probable election of Conservative Shaun Bailey (I say this has Khan has been backed into increasing council tax so much that if gives tory central office big stick to whack him with, weather justified or not ), but it might just mean the DfT might give TfL what SK wanted to have and didnt get, such is the irony of politics that if SB does do well I can see him going for a parliamentary seat and getting rid of BoJo to become PM in 2025 ish.
Finally the conclusion! To be honest, you could make longer, more in depth versions of these and put them on a second channel and I'd still watch them! Also yes to a video about the politics. I am sure with your dry sarcasm it would be a pleasure to watch even that. And congrats on the sponsorship.
I must confess, I've been for half an hour observing the first quad royal poster with H.C.BECK's design, issued in 1933 when the LPTB was about to be launched. (0:45) I don't know, but it's so enjoyable and pleasing to watch and utilize as a journey planner. Featured in Ken Garland's 1994 book, it has a very pleasing paper colour, thus making the Diagram twice as graceful.
I think the East London was separated a bit earlier, possibly 1987. It was supposed to be separated in 1985 but there was a strike due to change in conditions and I think the wrangling from that is why it's confusing.
I left school the year the Victoria line opened. Don't think the two events were related. It was odd travelling on a completely spotless new line. Did not take long for it look like any other well used tube line though. Thanks JH.
Everyone should get a VPN so good on you for the ad. My favourite shot is the train race at 7:08 once again won by the Piccadilly - unfair advantage not having to stop here...........................
It would be helpful if you add links to parts 2 and 3 to the video descriptions of parts 1 and 2. Thanks for all your videos, I've become rather addicted to them even though I live in Canada and have never been on the Underground!
That just typical! I wait ages for you to make a video about how the London Underground came together, then three come along almost at the same time! 🙄
"If I can make that interesting..." "Consider it done," says LeviNZ. I'm sure you could make a truly gripping video on different driving wheel designs for the Big Four locomotives. or the comparative burning qualities of coal from various regions.
Love this series, been waiting for someone to do something like this as everything you see is placed like the Underground is owned by London but not a few old money families
Very interesting indeed. I know you've touched upon it in a number of videos, but one subject I'd like to see more about is the Underground and it's part in WW2.
Some of the Central line tunnels beyond Leyton were used as underground munitions factories, as the track hadn’t yet been installed when War broke out. Lots of other cool stuff too
@@SportyMabamba Actually between Leytonstone and Newbury Park. There's no tunnel between Leyton and Leytonstone. I can see the track there from my bedroom window!
Congrats on the sponsorship! I still think of your channel as being pretty small and fulfilling a very particular niche that I enjoy, and it's bizzare to realize that you are nearly at 100k subs.
I'd never thought of myself as a Tube nerd, but Jago's laconic style and dry wit makes it all rather watchable. Actually maybe I am a Tube nerd after all...
A sponsor great. It won't be long until you have 100,000 subscribers. Thank-you for another great video. I love the London Tube Map and how its grown over the years.
A video on the former headquarters at St James Park would be interesting, along with the places where TFL now has offices and land around London that isn't part of the railways. Some of it you'd never think was TFL land.
Big it up Mr. Jago! I kinda felt this 3-parter was a milestone project. Really enjoyed as usual - Thanks. Pleased on your sponsorship status; well deserved for the committed work you've put in over the last year and more entertaining us rail-heads. Maybe some 'oh, he'sold out' comments below just goes show the depth some people's "first world problems"!. I say, go ahead and enact the John Wayne rule - “A man's got to do what a man's got to do.”
Thanks! With the sponsorship money, it’s going to be possible to do more ambitious videos in future. For one thing, I can get some halfway decent equipment.
The last remnant of “the old railway mentality” is that the District is considered one line even if it’s a spider. (What animal could describe the Northern?) And that the Overground is one “mode” so no differentiation of the different lines on the map. For Londoners it’s not really necessary. But for newcomers who aren’t geographers like me, a bit more differentiation would be nice? But then you’d have to get rid of another holdover from the railway era: designating lines by name rather than number. Though I admit the names are charming.
It is interesting how, back in the “overground Underground expansion” era, everything connected to the network was part of an Underground line. But, following the DLR and especially the Overground, almost everything in the kind of distance & placement nowadays ends up as part of the Overground. (Or occasionally as a DLR extension). The network itself has become the brand, instead of just the Underground. If these overground Underground lines into suburbia, such as much of the Central line, had been built today, I fully expect they would in fact be Overground stations. Hell, a lot of the suburbs along the Central line do also have Overground stations now. But this leads to an interesting problem: the DLR and especially the Overground are far more confusing on the map than the Underground lines, because they’re all the same colour. You need to learn branch names instead of just following colours along a map. And now with the Elizabeth “line” confusing things further, I do wonder if there’s going to be some fundamental redesign within the next fifty years to split these up into various Lines as well. Perhaps along with measures such as eliminating the difference of rolling stock between the Overground and the Subsurface Underground lines, more Underground lines converted to Crossrail spec, or other such developments. I do think, with the increasing crowdedness of the TfL Map and everything, being able to somehow return to unique colours could potentially be useful, especially if the Overground continues to expand/action routes, if more Crossrail happens, and so forth. We should probably expect the network to be almost as unrecognisable in 2121 as today’s network would look to the lads running the show in 1921.
It was still possible in the early 1970s to see the planned Northern Line extensions shown on an enamel route map at EastFinchley station. Like now when the signs have been updated but the 'new' bit of line hasn't yet opened this was covered up with some paper stuck over the relevant bit. However from time to time someone would have a go at removing the paper so there was usually some part of the route to Bushey Heath visible! I don't think that sign ended up in the LT Museum or Depot but would love to know whether it survived somewhere! How about a video on the Underground routes that were traversed for some while after becoming part of the Underground by BR freight trains, that was the case at the Northern ends of both the Northern and Central lines. The East London Line even had steam and later diesel hauled excursion trains using it to reach places like Brighton! Those all finished sometime in the late 1960s.
It's like Lord of the Rings but for the underground. It takes three films for Jago and Sam to go on a perilous journey to Morden to cast their ticket into the flaming cauldron. I haven't worked out who Sauron is yet - or Gandalf. None the less, the video should have eagles at the end.
NO - you certainly WEREN'T 'overthinking it' re: the 'old railway mentality' - it's actually most accurate, Tom. Take that as read from a seasoned railwayman, who started out working in that domain from the late '80s (and within the LT Ops area, too) ......... tho' having actually 'lived & breathed railways' since childhood.
I've never seen such an outpouring of praise for an advert! Well done JH. A big step in the right direction :) Also the thrilling conclusion hit the mark!
I am sure there is some drama in the history of London Transport There are some larger than life characters and definitely some villians Perhaps some vignettes of key moments. I once saw Dicken's Dombey and Son adapted for the stage in under two hours (and be coherent!) so the history of London Transport (or snapshots at least) is doable
Sponsorship! Officially endorsed, humour and all! And only 3.2k off 100,000 subscribers. Pretty good going. It's been a great trilogy, neat and enjoyable. The dry wit is a winner. Brevicating so much into an easily digestible form without going off at a tangent must take some self control. (I did wonder when the Overground sneaked into existence. The orange roundels still seem a bit weird, like they've just missed out on being a copyright infringement or the printer's low on ink. The same with the name 'Overground' too and suddenly you get added Womble option. Cue the Womble Song 'Underground Overground, wombling free' etc ) .
I have a 1984 journey planner map on my wall. It shows the east London line as a separate line but in metropolitan colours not filled in. Geoff Marshall has copies of most underground mao so he will likely know when the east London got it's own orange colour. If he doesn't he'll know someone who will. Love your videos. Thank you for producing them.
Was there never a direct service or excursions onto the East London Line from the Metropolitan/District ? There was a junction near Whitechapel between the two lines (the St Mary's Curve) which was latterly used for stock movements, but has been disconnected since the Overground was installed in 2009 says Wiki.
Searching further on Wiki I found that ' (On) 3 March 1884, A spur to the Metropolitan and Metropolitan District Railways opened south of Whitechapel using the St Mary's Curve. This enabled Metropolitan Railway and Metropolitan District Railway (District) trains to commence through services to the East London Railway later that year. Although passenger services via this spur ceased in 1941, it was retained to transfer empty trains to the rest of the sub-surface network. So, yes, there were indeed direct Metropolitan and District Line services for many decades on the East London Line.
I see the VPN scam continues. Check out what VPNs actually do and how they work. Many of the advantages they advertise are exaggerated, misleading, or impossible. (As an example? That advertising nonsense is usually based on tracking cookies (a subversion of the basic cookie system), not IP addresses.) They do usually bypass geolocking and the like though, that much is true.
The East London Line was integral to the Metropolitan and Metropolitan District with passenger services running through to first South Kensington from 1884 and then Hammersmith from 1914 to 1941. The connection was St Mary's Curve, south of Whitechapel. The link can be seen in this map excerpt: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:East_london_railway_1915.jpg#/media/File:East_london_railway_1915.jpg The ELL was separated from the Metropolitan at the same time as the H&C, 1988. (I think December 3, but I can't find the reference I was reading 2 minutes ago!) It got it's own colour, turning orange from purple, in 1990. The St Mary's Curve link was removed in 2009. Mentioned here: uktransport.fandom.com/wiki/Metropolitan_line Referenced here: aim25.com/cgi-bin/vcdf/detail?coll_id=14326&inst_id=118&nv1=search&nv2= which should lead here search.lma.gov.uk/ but the actual document cited is missing or has been moved. A useful but incomplete list of significant dates here content.tfl.gov.uk/key-dates-in-the-history-of-london-transport.pdf
Just a tip if you are going to break up videos try to make each one at least 10mins, the gods of the TH-cam algorithm will pay you more for longer videos with more watch time
Apparently, according to a number of comments, getting a sponsor makes you a "real TH-camr". Well, perhaps the reason I liked your channel so much was that you weren't a "real TH-camr", you were just an interesting person with lots of stories to tell in an engaging, humorous and extremely well-expressed way. And putting the ad in the middle of the video, instead of at the beginning or the end, was a real "no-no" for me. Unsubscribe? I'm thinking about it.
I’m sorry you feel that way. I don’t have any say in the placement of ads or sponsor messages, other than to demonetise entirely, and I’m sure you don’t expect me to work for nothing. There’s an ad- and sponsor-free version on Patreon.
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Everyone congratulating you on your first sponsorship. Little do they know you've actually always been funded by the Emirates Air Line
At least London Transport could sponsor it
“When I’m in East London, there’s nothing I like better than...”
The next Geoff Marshall
But infinitly more interesting
wait really
Ohh, a sponsor! How long will it be before he’s regaling us with the joys of Raid-Shadow Legends?..
Kidding, pleased for you. Sponsors mean you’re getting noticed and you deserve it.
At least it wasn't manscaped
@@oliverstemp9132 It’s early days yet!
@@oliverstemp9132 Ridge wallet to come 🤔
I just realised just how much research you do for these videos. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have no idea why I like your videos so much. I don't live in London, or even the UK. I don't particularly like London if I'm being honest. The whole train thing some people is fascinated about isn't something I care about. My view on the tube is that it should work and be on time when I use it. That's about it. But I absolutely adore your videos. They are almost like a balm for my soul (is that an expression in English?) and kind of feels like meditating. Whatever the reason, thank you. Whenever I see you've posted it makes that day a better day.
Oh, and congratulations to your first sponsorship!
Many thanks! Glad you’re enjoying my work!
I love the old prints and posters you use in these videos.
I can see Jago is a proper TH-camr now, I’m grateful we get a conclusion to this TRULY GRIPPING SERIES.
he'll always be our jago
But he’s yet to tell us how much enjoyment we could get from playing Raid: Shadow Legends?
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 outfuckingstanding Sir well played well played indeed
That three-parter worked nicely. How about a similar approach to the Overground? And it would also be interesting to look at all of the various projects for getting to Heathrow from central London.
If he does an overground version after the underground version - wouldn't that mean he would be obliged to do a Womble version too..??
Jago, your videos are keeping me sane during these awful times
Thank you.
Closing in on 100K, and to think im old enough to remember you in the equivalent of short trousers.😂😂😂
he got a sponsor - he is a real youtube now! well done
I'm usually not a fan of adverts in a video, but in this case I'm glad because it gives the indication your channel is doing well!
Thanks!
This is where Jago goes full on Star Wars, with 3 prequels and 3 sequels to come... ;)
and endless spinoffs 🤔
Please no Jar Jar Binks.
The Johnston typeface is just a thing of beauty.
Yes! The whole branding of the Underground is so strong. The roundel, the font, the colour scheme, the map - all inspired choices.
Wow you got a sponsor your a proper TH-camr now ! Congrats
Enjoyable as always 🥂
You're
Cheers!
One might argue (here I am feeling argumentative) that with the creation of the Victoria line, the tube had "come together". From then on up to present, its been evolving. (or in the case of the circle line - revolving). The interesting things is London Transport trying to say that the Crossrail "Purple Line" (Reading to Shenfield) is a sort of underground line whereas the Thameslink line (Brighton to Bedford) is just Thameslink and part of BR. London Transport is evolving its remit to the point where the Underground as an entity is starting to get blurred around the edges. Maybe Aylesbury to Southend needs reconsidering? Re-Marooning the suburbs
Crossrail spur to Tring, and Crossrail 2 spur to Milton Keynes, have each been considered during the planning.
Very interesting point about Crossrail and Thameslink. I certainly don't think of Crossrail as an Underground line. Both are more like the Paris RERs. Don't think the Circle Line can revolve any more with the Hammersmith adjunct - it would go "thump - thump" like a wheel with a flat.
I've never been to Britain, I'm from Canada. But here i am watching every video i can about their trains. Lovely stuff.
Simply an amazing, ripping, beyond mammoth presentation of everything that I was too lazy to find elsewhere...thank you for the great work, truly! The series was so big my iPhone couldn’t display everything. Can’t wait for the sequel to the sequel.
Ta!
Agreed! Bravo Jago!
Really great video series.
One thing id note is that the East London line was actually connected to the District/Metropolitan via "St Marys curve". A curve of railway near an abandoned station which you can still see when travelling Eastbound from Aldgate east. Trains used to run via this curve, though i have no source myself on how frequently this was.
Most sources seem to indicate the use of the curve was short lived in passenger usage, but remained in place for stock movements before being cut off in the east london line extension works. Wikipedia seems to suggest this service ran 1884-1938, which makes sense as the lines ran multiple odd routes till 1939 such as trains to Southend on the District line.
The H+C was born out of trying to remove the complexity of the various branches of the Metropolitan. Its likely the trains in 1933 running the what we now know as the H+C service would use the east london line. Given they eventually terminated at Whitechapel instead - though now extended to Barking mostly to relieve congestion and the reversing platforms being demolished for crossrail.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that some of the Metropolitan trains ran on to the ELL and terminated at New Cross. But I can't remember when that was - probably many years ago. I haven't actually been on the ELL since it became the Overground, so my main memories of it is still of the amount of water that used to pour out of the tunnel (!) and how tiny the old Tube stock looked compared to the vast proportions of the Thames Tunnel! Normal sized trains just won't look the same...
I do remember the East London Line's becoming its own thing, but couldn't tell you the exact date. However, it was closed for several years in the 1990s to refurbish the tunnel (nearly didn't happen, I believe). It wasn't a stub line for long - originally there was a link to the District line and another to Liverpool Street - and now, of course, it links round London!
I used it in the late '70s and at Shoreditch you could see the lines to Liverpool Street just past a mound of sand at the end of the East London line.
During the closure they had some public walkthroughs of the Brunel tunnel, which were very popular - waited in the queue for what seemed like hours.
"Alarums and excursions..." Congratulations on your sponsorship. And well done on the Underground series!
Thanks!
Jago has a sponsor now! And nearly 100k subscribers! I remember when there were less than a 10th of that. Love to watch a TH-camr you really like grow in popularity
Thanks!
@@JagoHazzard just don't forget us little folk when you hit the big time and start appearing on Graham Norton...
Same been here since 7k
I feel irrationally proud that I've been around for most of it.
I can't wait for the Jago/Geoff and Vicki/Map Men/Tom Scott mash up (perhaps with added SloMoGuys) at which point my youtube will be complete!
Does the sponsorship mean you can afford to travel further than Watford Station for B-roll? :)
If so, maybe a video on the Watford Flyer, or the abandoned branch Lines from St Albans to Hatfield?
He can even afford to go beyond Watford Gap now!
Man, as soon as lockdown ends, I’m going all over the place.
@@JagoHazzard Southwark station, by any chance??
@@JagoHazzard Absolutely - I'm raring to get out of the traps. That bunny's got no chance grrrh!!
Privatisation was in 97. I transferred from Glasgow to Reading under rule 10b in 95. Which no longer existed with privatisation. And BR lasted 49 years.
Every video you produce is thrilling Jago! You never know when an unexpected pun or dry joke will turn up.
How about the loco hauled services especially on the Metropolitan out towards Metroland. I remember them in 1957. I was at the Met Office Training School in Stanmore and used the Metropolitan from where I was in digs in Preston Road to Wembley Park before changing onto the Bakerloo. Because they were slam-door coaches and coupled in a rake with a separate loco rather than an EMU, they didn't have a dedicated guard to driver communication and the guard used the brass ferrule on his green flag to short out the wires along the platform which would ring a bell by the driver.
Maybe with the extra travel budget you can afford to have a gander at the GCR London Extension whenever possible (completing the Watkin set of Metroland, The Inner Circle, Catford, the Tower and the Channel Tunnel). It would also be a good excuse to start branching out beyond London (and get my local city, Leicester, featured!)
Once this lockdown is over, it’s on my list!
@@JagoHazzard Oh and by the way, I came up with a name so you don't have to worry about calling everything a tale from the tube any more - Rail Tales?
My life has been waiting for this vid. Thank you for finally making me a complete person.
I keep sobbing. You think you know what happiness is but then you actually experience it and and... I didn't know life could be this way. I'm the mother of the world and my love for you all is boundless. Home is my bosom, rest and replenish, nourish yourselves on my life-giving colostrum. All danger and conflict is drifting away on the breeze and soon we'll smile as we try and fail to remember it. Our mortal forms are gently departing. Let us say farewell to pain and become infinity. For we are love, we are one. We always were. Use code Jago at heaven's gate and don't forget to smash that amen button.
@@spewter Amen
Mention of the opening of the Victoria Line reminds of looking at a tube map in the Angel station twenty years later, still not including the new line. No rush.
There is a really bad "All Platforms" pun somewhere in the SurfShark spiel, but it needs careful crafting to be as bad as possible without losing the sponsorship...
If this series ever comes out as a DVD box set, I'll buy it.
The East London Line is so named (as a distinct "LINE" in all caps) by 1985 at the latest, according to the London Tube Map Archive (www.clarksbury.com/cdl/maps.html). The previous map there (from 1977) only shows it as the East London "Section" (in mixed case) of the Metropolitan Line.
(Edit: it looks like the name change happened in 1984-85. There are 2 maps currently listed on a popular auction site that are claimed to be from 1984, one only showing Heathrow Terminal 1 and the "East London Section," the other showing the line to Heathrow Terminal 4 under construction, and the "East London Line" as a separately named "Line.")
Funnily enough, I've seen online copies of 2 of Beck's original maps from 1933, one showing it as the "East London Line" and another as the "East London Railway"; but by 1934, it had been absorbed into the Metropolitan Line.
Well, a pretty thorough potted history of the Underground in Jago's inimitable style, superb as ever. A couple of tiny additions; the Northern Heights plan was only partially completed but some of this (Mill Hill East-Edgware-Aldenham-Bushey Heath) was due to the introduction of the Green Belt, while the Central Line takeovers were all completed except West Ruislip-Denham. Jago carefully states the East London was the first entire tube line to be transferred out of LT; Aylesbury-Amersham (Metropolitan), which went much earlier, was just a section, and likewise Bakerloo trains which were cut back from Watford Junction to Harrow and Wealdstone (but had never owned the route).
Indeed! This is why I need to do more detailed videos on the individual lines. There’s so much to talk about.
Holy commercial partnership Batman!
EPIC!
I’m sure you could have made a “mind the gap” reference somewhere in the outro.
You just have to love those open cab Metropolitain 4-4-0 tank engines.
congratulations on your first sponsor jago
Thanks!
I recognise the station at 1:25 and again at 4:54 as Drayton Park. Having worked in the City in the 90's I regularly travelled on that line from New Barnet into Moorgate. Happy memories ! 😎👍👍
How the Met line was operated is a quite fascinating tale...... It had one Line Controller who controlled all of it including Hammersmith (Met) and the East London Line. The Distict Line Controller controlled the south side of the Circle and of course covered the Met trains from Aldgate East to Barking. Barking train crew depot also had a Met Line roster there and the Barking SM looked after the Met crews. Underground line depots are divided into sections (District East for example is Barking and Upminster) and the Met was similar. Met Line West was Hammersmith and Baker Street, Met Line North was Neasden, Rickmansworh & Uxbridge while Met Line East was Barking, New Cross and Drayton Park). Until OPO conversion started in the early 1980s, Neasden, Rickmansworh & Baker Street crews worked the Met Main and Circle Line, Hammersmith crews just the Hammersmith & City Line, Barking crews the H&C plus a few jobs on the East London Line while New Cross did mostly East London Line plus a few jobs on the H&C. Drayton Park just covered the Northern City, it was still part of the Met empire until closed and handed over to BR! The 38s on there were 6 car trains (2 x 3 car units) and were maintained at Neasden rather than being any part of the 7 car Northern Line fleet of trains, one of these historical oddities...... A friend of mine is an ex train crew manager and worked at Barking in the 1970s, he even had dealings with Driver Newson who was the driver in the Moorgate disaster, he had been a guard at Barking for a while before he got his drivers job at Drayton Park......
i enjoy the series so much that i am really not annoyed by the ads :)
Reminds me of Coronation Street, gives me time to make the tea or pop to the loo.
There is a plan for the Northern City Line and right up to Stevenage to become part of London Overground from next year
Interesting, I should investigate that!
@@JagoHazzard More likely TfL rail ? I suspect Covid impacts ./franchises and how the govt might react to the probable election of Conservative Shaun Bailey (I say this has Khan has been backed into increasing council tax so much that if gives tory central office big stick to whack him with, weather justified or not ), but it might just mean the DfT might give TfL what SK wanted to have and didnt get, such is the irony of politics that if SB does do well I can see him going for a parliamentary seat and getting rid of BoJo to become PM in 2025 ish.
Finally the conclusion! To be honest, you could make longer, more in depth versions of these and put them on a second channel and I'd still watch them! Also yes to a video about the politics. I am sure with your dry sarcasm it would be a pleasure to watch even that. And congrats on the sponsorship.
Oooh nice, sponsers and everything now. Good for you Jago. Well earned.
Loving this mini series. Keep up the good work.
Thanks!
I must confess, I've been for half an hour observing the first quad royal poster with H.C.BECK's design, issued in 1933 when the LPTB was about to be launched. (0:45) I don't know, but it's so enjoyable and pleasing to watch and utilize as a journey planner. Featured in Ken Garland's 1994 book, it has a very pleasing paper colour, thus making the Diagram twice as graceful.
More detail and longer series definitely a positive step in my book!
East London line and the Hammersmith and City line became separate on tube maps in 1990.
Still a great video, post lockdown I would get you a pint!
I think the East London was separated a bit earlier, possibly 1987. It was supposed to be separated in 1985 but there was a strike due to change in conditions and I think the wrangling from that is why it's confusing.
@@Djarra It was also closed umpteen times for refurbs, repairs, re-signals, etc.
@@highpath4776 It and the drain were hardly ever open in the early 90s.
A follow up series dedicated to each line....why yes, that would be a capital idea.
I left school the year the Victoria line opened. Don't think the two events were related. It was odd travelling on a completely spotless new line. Did not take long for it look like any other well used tube line though.
Thanks JH.
Built to the standards of the 1960s , asbestos everywhere and colour scheme and tile pattern that aged badly.
Might I suggest a topic? I will anyway. Bars on the underground, there was one at Sloan St, as well as Baker Street. Are there more?
Kew Gardens and I believe there was one at Liverpool Street. Probably more if I really looked.
@@JagoHazzard Really miss the Sloane Sq one for a quick G+T whilst waiting for a train.
Everyone should get a VPN so good on you for the ad. My favourite shot is the train race at 7:08 once again won by the Piccadilly - unfair advantage not having to stop here...........................
It would be helpful if you add links to parts 2 and 3 to the video descriptions of parts 1 and 2. Thanks for all your videos, I've become rather addicted to them even though I live in Canada and have never been on the Underground!
That just typical! I wait ages for you to make a video about how the London Underground came together, then three come along almost at the same time! 🙄
Just like buses on a rainy day, eh?
@@sewing9434 yes, of course - that's the joke
Bloody good series Jago, I have to say you have a voice absolutely made for radio!
Thanks! Some say I have the face to match.
@@JagoHazzard I'm sure that is not the case.
"If I can make that interesting..." "Consider it done," says LeviNZ. I'm sure you could make a truly gripping video on different driving wheel designs for the Big Four locomotives. or the comparative burning qualities of coal from various regions.
Ooo, I am looking forward to part four of this three part series!
Love this series, been waiting for someone to do something like this as everything you see is placed like the Underground is owned by London but not a few old money families
A detailed follow-up on each line would be terrific. I will be patiently waiting.
Congrats on the sponsor! Shows you've been doing everything right!
Thank you!
Very interesting indeed. I know you've touched upon it in a number of videos, but one subject I'd like to see more about is the Underground and it's part in WW2.
Some of the Central line tunnels beyond Leyton were used as underground munitions factories, as the track hadn’t yet been installed when War broke out. Lots of other cool stuff too
There is a bit of that in the video coming on Friday.
@@SportyMabamba Actually between Leytonstone and Newbury Park. There's no tunnel between Leyton and Leytonstone. I can see the track there from my bedroom window!
@@henrybest4057 OK, leave no stone unturned. I get the two places muddled (I had a girlfriend in each !)
Congratulations! I wonder how many subs we’ll need before a face reveal. Hint: more than 100K.
a video on london transport would be very cool
The SurfShark advert was Map Men level advertising 👍
Congrats on the sponsorship! I still think of your channel as being pretty small and fulfilling a very particular niche that I enjoy, and it's bizzare to realize that you are nearly at 100k subs.
Thanks! It’s a bit weird for me too. I had a definite sense of “are you sure you’ve got the right guy?”
I'd never thought of myself as a Tube nerd, but Jago's laconic style and dry wit makes it all rather watchable. Actually maybe I am a Tube nerd after all...
I lived in London from 1984-1988 for Uni and had a boyfriend at Rotherhithe... it was part of The Metropolitan line for all of that time.
Get you Mister Sponsored content. Nice video, keeping my sane while at home.
Surprised you haven't tried to get on the community polls bandwagon to help the growth, not that you aren't doing great without. Kudos on the sponsor
A sponsor great. It won't be long until you have 100,000 subscribers.
Thank-you for another great video. I love the London Tube Map and how its grown over the years.
Thanks!
A video on the former headquarters at St James Park would be interesting, along with the places where TFL now has offices and land around London that isn't part of the railways. Some of it you'd never think was TFL land.
The most highly anticipated conclusion to a trilogy since that hobbit thing.
by eck this channel has grown - and all the better for it - well done jago
Thanks!
Big it up Mr. Jago! I kinda felt this 3-parter was a milestone project. Really enjoyed as usual - Thanks. Pleased on your sponsorship status; well deserved for the committed work you've put in over the last year and more entertaining us rail-heads. Maybe some 'oh, he'sold out' comments below just goes show the depth some people's "first world problems"!. I say, go ahead and enact the John Wayne rule - “A man's got to do what a man's got to do.”
Thanks! With the sponsorship money, it’s going to be possible to do more ambitious videos in future. For one thing, I can get some halfway decent equipment.
"If I can make it interesting" Jago, you could read me the Dulux colour chart and it would be interesting. Loved the 3 parter.
Thanks!
The last remnant of “the old railway mentality” is that the District is considered one line even if it’s a spider. (What animal could describe the Northern?) And that the Overground is one “mode” so no differentiation of the different lines on the map.
For Londoners it’s not really necessary. But for newcomers who aren’t geographers like me, a bit more differentiation would be nice? But then you’d have to get rid of another holdover from the railway era: designating lines by name rather than number. Though I admit the names are charming.
Dont forget Passenger Route Codes on BR for years. Wimbledon To West Croydon was 2.
It is interesting how, back in the “overground Underground expansion” era, everything connected to the network was part of an Underground line. But, following the DLR and especially the Overground, almost everything in the kind of distance & placement nowadays ends up as part of the Overground. (Or occasionally as a DLR extension). The network itself has become the brand, instead of just the Underground. If these overground Underground lines into suburbia, such as much of the Central line, had been built today, I fully expect they would in fact be Overground stations. Hell, a lot of the suburbs along the Central line do also have Overground stations now.
But this leads to an interesting problem: the DLR and especially the Overground are far more confusing on the map than the Underground lines, because they’re all the same colour. You need to learn branch names instead of just following colours along a map. And now with the Elizabeth “line” confusing things further, I do wonder if there’s going to be some fundamental redesign within the next fifty years to split these up into various Lines as well. Perhaps along with measures such as eliminating the difference of rolling stock between the Overground and the Subsurface Underground lines, more Underground lines converted to Crossrail spec, or other such developments. I do think, with the increasing crowdedness of the TfL Map and everything, being able to somehow return to unique colours could potentially be useful, especially if the Overground continues to expand/action routes, if more Crossrail happens, and so forth. We should probably expect the network to be almost as unrecognisable in 2121 as today’s network would look to the lads running the show in 1921.
What a fantastic final 3rd. I cannot wait for your next mini series perhaps a history of London Buses , tramlines or DLR.
Trams are one I’d really like to look into. I keep finding odd little artefacts from the old days of trams.
I thought the east London line/ underground closed in 2006 ish for covertion to the London overground which open in 2010?
It was still possible in the early 1970s to see the planned Northern Line extensions shown on an enamel route map at EastFinchley station. Like now when the signs have been updated but the 'new' bit of line hasn't yet opened this was covered up with some paper stuck over the relevant bit. However from time to time someone would have a go at removing the paper so there was usually some part of the route to Bushey Heath visible! I don't think that sign ended up in the LT Museum or Depot but would love to know whether it survived somewhere!
How about a video on the Underground routes that were traversed for some while after becoming part of the Underground by BR freight trains, that was the case at the Northern ends of both the Northern and Central lines. The East London Line even had steam and later diesel hauled excursion trains using it to reach places like Brighton! Those all finished sometime in the late 1960s.
Well, it appears that the channel has come of age with a surf shark ad!
That was a fantastic 3 part series, full of your typical humour and facts!
It's like Lord of the Rings but for the underground. It takes three films for Jago and Sam to go on a perilous journey to Morden to cast their ticket into the flaming cauldron. I haven't worked out who Sauron is yet - or Gandalf. None the less, the video should have eagles at the end.
😆 Can we then look forward to a directors extended cut, with three more endings after the end?
Does Gollum try to keep the 'My Precious' Roundel?
@@henrybest4057 And Gollum would be played by Geoff Marshall always trying to sabotage Jago's journey
@@RossMaynardProcessExcellence And the Baggins's would be played by the Whitewicks!
Just a fantastic trio Jago - thank you so much. Really enjoyed all three of them. Great Job!
NO - you certainly WEREN'T 'overthinking it' re: the 'old railway mentality' - it's actually most accurate, Tom. Take that as read from a seasoned railwayman, who started out working in that domain from the late '80s (and within the LT Ops area, too) ......... tho' having actually 'lived & breathed railways' since childhood.
I am glad Jago has soon 100k Subscribers.
Afternoon upload? I’m shocked!
As always, keep up the good work fella and stay safe.
And finally, part 3 ☺️🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
Afraid I was delayed by... leaves on the line... or something.
@@JagoHazzard Sound like a typical BR tannoy announcement ☺️🚂
@@JagoHazzard Wrong kind of Snow?
I've never seen such an outpouring of praise for an advert! Well done JH. A big step in the right direction :)
Also the thrilling conclusion hit the mark!
I am sure there is some drama
in the history of London Transport
There are some larger than life characters
and definitely some villians
Perhaps some vignettes of key moments.
I once saw Dicken's Dombey and Son
adapted for the stage in under two hours
(and be coherent!)
so the history of London Transport
(or snapshots at least)
is doable
Sponsorship! Officially endorsed, humour and all! And only 3.2k off 100,000 subscribers. Pretty good going.
It's been a great trilogy, neat and enjoyable. The dry wit is a winner. Brevicating so much into an easily digestible form without going off at a tangent must take some self control.
(I did wonder when the Overground sneaked into existence. The orange roundels still seem a bit weird, like they've just missed out on being a copyright infringement or the printer's low on ink. The same with the name 'Overground' too and suddenly you get added Womble option. Cue the Womble Song 'Underground Overground, wombling free' etc ) .
I have a 1984 journey planner map on my wall. It shows the east London line as a separate line but in metropolitan colours not filled in. Geoff Marshall has copies of most underground mao so he will likely know when the east London got it's own orange colour. If he doesn't he'll know someone who will. Love your videos. Thank you for producing them.
Didnt the ELL run to an odd weekend timetable too.
Awesome series! Congrats on the sponsorship...Jago is coming up from the underground in the world
Was there never a direct service or excursions onto the East London Line from the Metropolitan/District ? There was a junction near Whitechapel between the two lines (the St Mary's Curve) which was latterly used for stock movements, but has been disconnected since the Overground was installed in 2009 says Wiki.
Searching further on Wiki I found that ' (On) 3 March 1884, A spur to the Metropolitan and Metropolitan District Railways opened south of Whitechapel using the St Mary's Curve. This enabled Metropolitan Railway and Metropolitan District Railway (District) trains to commence through services to the East London Railway later that year. Although passenger services via this spur ceased in 1941, it was retained to transfer empty trains to the rest of the sub-surface network. So, yes, there were indeed direct Metropolitan and District Line services for many decades on the East London Line.
@@frglee And LBSCR services to Liverpool Street from Croydon and Redhill.
I see the VPN scam continues.
Check out what VPNs actually do and how they work. Many of the advantages they advertise are exaggerated, misleading, or impossible. (As an example? That advertising nonsense is usually based on tracking cookies (a subversion of the basic cookie system), not IP addresses.)
They do usually bypass geolocking and the like though, that much is true.
Dont byte the hand that feeds you, theres enough puns in the ad to make it tolerable.
A sponsor? That's okay, so long as it isn't Auntie Maggies Detox Teas, ear buds that don't fit in your ears, or Asbestos Land.
typical of Tom Scott to go for *unconventional* sponsors
Someone's been watching Tom Scott!
Asbestos Land. Sounds great. The big shute through the white cloud of dust is great fun.
@@MercenaryPen I was beginning to wonder if Tom's video was secretly sponsored by Apple Airpods, the way he dropped it in...
@@charlieblimey missed that one.
Does the East London ie The Overground still have a connection with the Metropolitan Line?
I don’t think it does, but research is ongoing.
Brilliant Jago as always
Congrats on the sponsorship! Always love your content!
Thanks!
Lovely conclusion to the series. Pity about the 90 second ad in the middle.
Was the District to Upminster taking off the LT&S all stations the Districts Idea or LPTB or Post 1948 thing ?
Good question, I’ll check m’books.
_Jago’s got a sponsor!..._
_Jago’s got a sponsor!..._
*Nah-nah Nah nah!*
*Nah-nah Nah nah!*
In fact the East London was called the OLD Metropolitan line before that. It had some of the oldest rolling stock on the system.
Indeed! I’m planning a more in-depth video on the East London Line, because the more I learn about it, the more I like it.
The East London Line was integral to the Metropolitan and Metropolitan District with passenger services running through to first South Kensington from 1884 and then Hammersmith from 1914 to 1941. The connection was St Mary's Curve, south of Whitechapel. The link can be seen in this map excerpt: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:East_london_railway_1915.jpg#/media/File:East_london_railway_1915.jpg
The ELL was separated from the Metropolitan at the same time as the H&C, 1988. (I think December 3, but I can't find the reference I was reading 2 minutes ago!) It got it's own colour, turning orange from purple, in 1990.
The St Mary's Curve link was removed in 2009.
Mentioned here: uktransport.fandom.com/wiki/Metropolitan_line
Referenced here: aim25.com/cgi-bin/vcdf/detail?coll_id=14326&inst_id=118&nv1=search&nv2= which should lead here search.lma.gov.uk/ but the actual document cited is missing or has been moved.
A useful but incomplete list of significant dates here content.tfl.gov.uk/key-dates-in-the-history-of-london-transport.pdf
Just a tip if you are going to break up videos try to make each one at least 10mins, the gods of the TH-cam algorithm will pay you more for longer videos with more watch time
Apparently, according to a number of comments, getting a sponsor makes you a "real TH-camr". Well, perhaps the reason I liked your channel so much was that you weren't a "real TH-camr", you were just an interesting person with lots of stories to tell in an engaging, humorous and extremely well-expressed way. And putting the ad in the middle of the video, instead of at the beginning or the end, was a real "no-no" for me. Unsubscribe? I'm thinking about it.
I’m sorry you feel that way. There’s an ad- and sponsor-free version on Patreon.
I’m sorry you feel that way. I don’t have any say in the placement of ads or sponsor messages, other than to demonetise entirely, and I’m sure you don’t expect me to work for nothing. There’s an ad- and sponsor-free version on Patreon.