Diablo 4 - Can Sorcerer Be Saved By 2 New Items?
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How can the worst class end up being the biggest loser ... is there something wrong with the devs?
17 hydra heads, each doing 1 damage...hey 17 damage!
Haha. God I hope this isn't a thing. Sorc need to be cannons
Devs: that's a huge buff it's getting nerfed
not really, i saw a video about new hydra and it's pretty good
Sorc will OP in PTR and they'll nerf it to the ground as always.
As sorc main I highly doubt it will be OP even in PTR.
@@mapron1 Same here, or else it will end up like piyac say, its a bit shame, i am also sorc main.
it was strong in the last PTR but still didnt do what barb and necro could and they nerfed it it dont have to be OP to be nerfed it just has to be a good class and they nerf it.
even without the nerf that the sorc have had back in PTR of season 4, the result would not had changed, we all get baited by the "super strong frozen orb and firebolt that cleared the pit 200 in 2 minutes" only because the sorc in it's nature is a super fast clearing class, and the Pit in the PTR was a joke, if the Pit in the PTR would have been as the season 4 release we could have seen all this lack of damage problem from the start
crazy how its complete trash in the PTR lol
I dont know why r they so afraid to buff the Sorc like WTF
And keep buffing barb!
It's because Sorc is very good mid game. None of the devs look at Pit 130+. Because Sorcs can perform so well just leveling to 100, they think that there's nothing to buff.
the expansion will bring a super op spark build, as a selling point for sorcs
until then, you either branch out to meta classes or take the L like true wizard(-ess)
@@arnejeder840 1 OP build, just 1, damn Blizzard
If you screw a class so hard that she needs to be saved by few new uniques, i call it UNBALANCED. Wake up Blizz, this aint working.
Only time sorc was s tier it was due to bug
Sorc is really getting some strange nerfs and changes from the wowhead leak, including legendary paragon caps, Staff of Lam Essen with the staff inherent change, the stealth Blizzard nerf by swapping the 15%x chill and damage stats on the two aspects, now requiring Blizzard to run an extra aspect if they still want that damage, Foci losing the CDR, Teleport cooldown increase, and just some odd changes all around.
Paingorgers plus the new chain lightning pants on an arc lash build is what i am going to try to see if the constant being damaged by a non basic skill is a good bonus or that you only get the bonus on cast of the chain lightning and not the returns, but could be an area for a bug :)
This is a ton of cooking to say Sorc (without major patch changes) will by far be the worst class of S5
Not really. The only thing they have that let's them even close to the others is perma immortality on flame shield. That is being removed.
Even with that, they need to fish really hard for specific bosses. As their boss damage is horrific and relies on splashing damage off of adds to do any boss damage.
The want us to cast a single CL and then spam a basic skill for 20 sec. genius design
The new staff too, why does Barb/Rogue and Necro get 1h unqiue weapon, and Sorc a 2h Staff from which they lose another slot. That staff is going to be >>>>>> Vendor when you find it. Would suggest blizz to put this unique on a FOCUS, so you can still use 1h weapon too.
Tbf the necro sword is meme tier
sorc can use swords too now
I agree. No idea why they won't put uniques on 1h and focus for sorc. Especially when implicit for staff is DOT
The more active CL you have the faster the explosions comes out. The whole thing is dependant on if the explosions does enough damage. The explosions needs to do more damage than the chain lightning itself AND you need to take into account for the mana lost from the pants, if it causes you to be unable to spam CL its almost certain that the pants is a DPS loss vs just spamming regular CL that just bounces between you and the boss.
Also the opportunity cost of using this unique vs using another dps pants such a tibaults will.
Theese legs have a steep hill to climb and unfortunately to me is just seems like a DPS loss vs what you could be doing otherwise.
To be fair, tibaults will is the only other dps pants in that slot, which while good, wouldnt benefit a standard chain lightning build all that much since the resource gain is negligible because of the generating aspect.
Bro the more I listen, the darker my hopes become...
I don't understand why there aren't items to support the high end skills like Meteor.
What are you talking about we got the firebirds aspect...smh
There is u just hvnt found it yet.
They do have a helm but it means you lose out on Shako so it never feels good to use
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac The new unique helmet is far superior to Shako even. So meteor needs a lot of help to surpass it. I think 95% of builds will run it and the other 5% will be maybe andariel's builds. 125% increased damage on top of +core ranks that can get even higher than the shako +4 is crazy.
What are you talkin about, they added a new aspect which cast meteor when Flame shield is active!!!! Ohhhh WAIT they nerfed Flame shield so hard that it wont be usefully at all.
Why does the sorc have to jump thru all these hoops to do DPS while barb is ez mode? How is this fun?
I know right. Sorc is supposed to be a cannon, and yet it's all glass atm
I just started messing around with a ww barb. Berserk uptime was a little troublesome. Luckily they added an aspect that gives you perma berserk lol
If it takes specific aspects to save a class, does it really matter? Until the class itself is fixed, I have little desire to play next season or the expansion
there's also the new helmet that gives 75% mana cost reduction and turns basic skills into 25 mana spenders + stacking damage multiplier
still not gonna help the class
Great for bash and heartseeker.
it's sad to say , but Sorc was born wrong from the beginning of D4 , and here still more than a year leater class feel somehow broken (not in a good wayXD)
Trying this in PTR right now. I've had a CL sorc in every season. This season with that new unique, I am constantly out of mana. It's taking loads of casts to kill elites in helltides, and very often I'm out. And I've got mana per second on a couple items, and resource cost reduction on my rings. I'm actually kinda mad, I was really hoping CL would finally be the meta. Not even close.
Sorc boss DPS is godawful in S4 right now. For my level 100 Frozen Orb sorc, I have BiS gear, all 8/12 masterworked with crits on useful stats, 25K health unbuffed, armor and resist capped, 6 ranks in conjugation mastery, all glyphs at 21, even with a Shako (also tried Andariel’s for 4 Tal Rasha stacks), and I still cannot kill a pit 101 boss reliably. Either he one shots me or I run out the timer trying to whittle down his health.
If I run through pit 101 with my Bash Barb, I clear the whole pit in under 2 minutes, including the boss, and I never die thanks to 100K unbuffed HP.
The DPS and survivability gap between Sorc and Barb is insane, and frankly embarrassing for Blizzard’s game designers.
Isn’t the point of spamming the chain lightning with the legs to get the proc as fast and as often as possible?
With the addition of tempering into the game, I think Barb will always be on top just because they can equip more tempers and aspects than any other class. Other classes need extensive rework and significant buffs to be able to match Barbs.
(I am disregarding weird bugged double dip mechanics which can sometimes give other classes a huge boost, those always get patched out eventually)
Could Vox Omnium maybe be used for an Arc lash build combined with chain lighting/ball lightning? Does casts from Unstable currents work with it?
all of the chain lightnings blowing up at once might be something
What Adam Jackson said and what the unique describes I think you might have it wrong. I believe the "When it returns.." part applies when your Chain Lightning has finished its chains be it default 3 or the 8 with the new affix. So even if you're fighting a boss with the changes made to Chain Lightning previous seasons that it also chains off you that's not the "When it returns" part. It will still chain 8 times with one enemy and then it will return to you and start circling.
Hey a big improvement would be to make 4 Weapon legendary slots for each class not only barb. The variaty of builds you can do with it will be much more enjoyable. Sorc needs something like this fast. It doesn’t have to be weapons but maybe some kind of offhands where you can put in weapon legendary effects
I have been preaching this hard, I honestly don't know why the devs won't do this......
Damn the most played class gets no love. We need to petition or something. MAKE SORC GREAT AGAIN!!! 😂
With the frost bolt version, perhaps it will work with the legendary power that gives a big damage boost if youre not using a defensive on your bar.
If the basics count as cast somehow, maybe UC builds could just it?
Vox has cool affixes. The benefit of multiple orbiting chain lightning is that you get the same amount of hits in much quicker
I wonder if the staff continually casts those basic skills when channeling incinerate like holy bolts potion? If so you can use firebolt so that your burning damage is increased by x25%. Add in firewall enchant for another ×25%. Not sure if its enough but its a different option.
Hello
I have to assume their intention is that the explosions are the main source of the damage? So if you have many bolts out it will create more explosions?
1 rank in chain lighting for a chain lightning build. classic blizzard
I already pre-order the expansion I'm looking forward to hydra build being even better right now I'm using hydra with firewall will start using 🔥 ball with it seems to be working really good so far
No because we still cant temper uniques so a two handed unique needs to much, much more powerful to make up for losing 4 tempers. It seems strange that they can't seem to wrap their head around that.
@wudijo Reading the tooltip for Vox Omnium carefully I actually think it's likely to be a freaking hot mess that just annoys we Sorcerers. The bonus basic attack elements will match the element of your two most recent *NON* core skills. Now Sorc runs defensives from all elements so its legit just gonna end up random depending on if you recently cast Flame Shield, Ice Barrier, Teleport or Frost Nova. I feel it is going to be very difficult to control sadly. As as player who ONLY plays Sorc... all I see for Season 5 so far is disappointing items that add frustration without payoff :( #sorc4ever #neverbarb
Maybe we will use a non defensive skill build. Not even teleport.
I think it would be cool if they added some kind of Unique Tempering (Runeforging or something? LOL) where you can essentially temper one aspect onto a Unique. Probably not for Mythic uniques though. Would solve the biggest feelsbad of the Uniques that are not as strong (and this issue Wudi explains in this vid with Vox and Moonrise).
Thanks for trying to help sorc
I think I'm more interested in the new version of the Splintering Energy Aspect. It used to be when you cast Lightning Spear, this aspect would always cast a second Lightning Spear and would increase shock skill damage for x amount for y seconds. The new version reads: Critical hits with lightning spear cause lightning Spear to arc from it dealing x damage to its target and up to 5 other enemies. This damage is increased by your critical strike damage bonus. If that's a one for one crit damage bonus to bonus damage of these arcs, that could be a very beneficial damage multiplier for Lightning Spear. Start stacking crit damage. This is the type of damage multipliers other classes get and I'm excited to see how that works out for Sorc. On top of that, the new version of Enhanced Lightning Spear will always spawn an additional lightning spear and increase their crit chance by 15%. Time to build an endless Unstable Currents build and add Lightning spear to the bar. I think this is going to be the skill of the season for Sorcs.
With how hot some of the sorcereress MTX are you’d think that Blizzard would make every effort to make me want to play the class so I’d be more likely to buy stuff. But no.
hyped about sorc build
Will mana per second help with chain lighting? If you get mana per second on multiple pieces of gear?
Sure. You need as many as possible and also resource generation.
11 CLs will take a lot of mana per second to keep them running and you have to add a cost of the skill itself.
But what about hota barb? wil we every c overpower hota to be playable again?(but without 3 shouts + bers) Prayge
I wonder if that chain lightning unique will synergize with the returning aspect for every 5 seconds a core skill to use life and deal 80%x increased damage? If you can just cast CL every 5 seconds, and it will continue to chain and explode for that long (or close to) will it actually be good enough damage compared to spamming?
could then just take advantage of the increased CDR opportunities for Unstable Currents by spamming arc lash or spark and just letting crits and crackling energy do stuff for you
Wasnt there a aspect with crazy mana regen on damage with multiple elements? that could work with Vox Omnium
They stated the faster you drain mana with this chain lightning pants the better, because of the explosion that is supposed to be high damage. Im guessing it'll scale better than xfal
We may not really know until we see the changes to the existing Uniques, which I don't think we'll learn about until they do the Season 5 patch notes.
would love to cast charged bolts between chain lightnings, I mean a pure tesla end-game build
I have seen a video where the damage numbers of axial conduit are at ball lightnings speed. Explosions are off all the time so casting it once is not the way to go
There will also be the full existing Unique rework for S5 release, won't be in PTR
My guess is the barbs are the only ones that's gonna hit into the hundreds of millions of not the billions. And all other class getting close to those numbers will be nerfed. Like always, nevermind how much powerful barbs get, they will be the easiest most powerful class
i said it once ill say it again if a class needs a seasonal mechanic to be good the class isn't good because once the theme is over the class sucks again.
Hydra build sounds interesting
But if a class is 2 builds, its a bad class. I mean, they need to balance each class and then have a minimum viable builds, right now, you play the meta builds or you are left super behind... I hate it.
My man! Someone at Blizzard needs to look into the aspects and skills for as X is very misleading on them. Like all their damage is additive and stuck in their so-called bucket system. They can't scale multiplicatively in any department is why they are still bottom of the barrel next to Druid. 500x to teleport = 5x which is like 18k to 23k dps. 30x to vulnerable= 90 vulnerable damage points no matter how much vulnerable you have. People rage quitted in season 1 over stuff like this after trying to make their own builds.
Sorc Lightning spear has been seriously overhauled. First passive you send out two spears, with new temper You have chance to double this. New aspect will send out arcs with 7K damage and can be enhanced by crit damage.
What if you have so much Mana cost reduction that the drain and explosion happens really late? Doe the Chain Lightnings stay out and keep on seeking and damaging enemies? in taht case the pants would probably be really really good not because of the explosion but because they keep on damaging.
I think they mentioned in the video that mana cost reduction doesn't apply to the 6 mana drain on return for the Vox Unique.
It says it will drain 6 mana on return for each active chain lightning. If you have 5 chain lightnings active. The first one comes back and drains 30 mana, the second comes back and drains 30, the third comes back and drains 30, then the 4th, then the fifth. If all 5 are draining 30 mana each time they return and they return within one second, that's 150 mana loss per second. Does the explosion happen when total mana loss hits 66, or does it keep track of mana loss for each individual chain lighting coming back? If it tracks total mana loss, then when that third chain comes back, all 5 will explode for the damage, and based on the numbers that could happen within one or two seconds if you cast them back to back. If you could keep the mana pouring in fast enough, I could see how having all the chain lightning damage plus 5 explosions every 3 seconds would be pretty decent. But like I said, if it tracks the mana drain of each chain lightning instance separate, you'd get very few explosions because you'd completely run out of mana before your third or fourth one came back.
@@noeleb8538 So its likely going to be completely useless, aight. thanks for clarifying.
So if were talking melee range and if master skills now count as core skills wouldnt the orbiting ball lightning thing be interesting?
Sorcerer still not worth playing since 1.1
I'm trying a burn build right now and it's pretty terrible, I don't think there's anything I can do to save it
I currently trying out a chain lightning sorc with the new gear in PTR and it's absolutely terrible.
complete and utter garbage. shock is WAY worse than current version, i couldnt even kill my reg pit boss. did no damage. like wtf?
They need to knock that %20 cooldown increase off raiment if they’re gonna increase the base cooldown of teleport
Yoyd probably wont even be using raiment in higher level content lol
Thank goodness. Sorc needs all the help it can get
I so badly want a viable hydra build
Let's all be honest with each other diablo 4 is a barbarian game 4 weapons will never be balanced
It absolutely could be balanced with aspects and the passive tree. Pre nerf blighted aspect is an example of how it could work.
Now Wudijo, you know the answer to this question already 😭💀
I have a theory that the devs are scared to over buff Sorc cause there are so many enchantment combos that they can't all test and are afraid they will do something and miss it and then Sorc is leads above the other classes since sorcs have the most unique class mechanic.
2 uber item's required to save a class is not considered "balance" ! We lack so much single target damage. You literally need to roll another class to do boss farm's and collect pit mats.
For what reason would there be any nerfs to a class that is already screaming for buffs! What is the reasoning? They're literally one of the most popular classes in the game and I really can't understand the thought process on the dev's.
Yes, i do know its a ptr and lots of changes will be implemented, but this makes no sense going into season 5 with a complete rework needed for sorcerer you just do nothing but nerfs or "uber unique's" required to make the 1 build work.
Usually Wudi says that sorc or druid will be OP and then barb is pretty good and has "potential" along the way....and then you find out in the actual season the barb always is and always has been the most OP class...now if wudi is anticipating barb to be the best....can only imagine the order of magnitudes barb is ahead of everything else except rogue..
Maybe content creator should start to stop putting vanilla title as "Can Sorcerer Be Saved By..." and address "Devs and particulary Adam Jackson are realy bad at their work"
my guess whats goin to happen with vox omnium - u just spam firewall/firebolt with current firebolt sorc
My gut feeling tells me they’ve nerfed sorcs ahead of the expansion because they’re going to give sorcs more equipment slots like how rogues and barbs have multiple weapons thereby allowing for more aspects which will bring sorcs back up in power
Isn't there an aspect that gives 6 mana every time CL bounces?
Short answer. No
Long answer. Hell no
Funny enough im more excited for the new leakes generic uniques and aspects for sorcs. Arc lash will go brr
"Chance to restore % mana on hit" stocks just went up.
Its _trying_ to be like old ball lightning (S2) a-half i.e. not as good. I appreciate the Devs are trying to make core skills more enticing but this stuff should be in the skill tree NOT on items or aspects ... ie. skill behavior alterations should be in the class not the gear imho. Per your suggestion some Ice builds are working in chain lightning now so getting free static-chains whirling while bombing the screen with ice might be a way forward? You know it always bugged me about Sorc that fro the skill tree your encouraged to multi-element you build seemingly but then the paragon and itemization seems to push towards a single element? Maybe Im cooked in the head, but it seems that way to me? So yes more cross Elemental synergies would be great you now classic Ice and Fire, Elec and Cold? I still think Sorc defense needs a bit of work to be in a good place. Overall output is still not right, with a problem in boss+mob definitely (The Pit). The pwr fantasy of the Sorc really falls off imho. I still want the eBall-Juggle to be a thing it was so fun to play.
I think each individual chain lightning gets 11 trips no all of them counting as the same chain lightning
Vox omnium + paingorger's + fractured winterglass?
It is surely a good way to break the meta of sorcs by... increasing CD on teleport. Yeah.
So if you cast more CL you'll do less damage. Sounds like blizzard math
The pants do almost the same dmg as the ebonpiercer amulet, which has a ton of scalling on the necro tree and can be triggered with every blight cast....and it shotguns! This unique seems underwhelming..
Isnt there like an entire dev team that is responsible for class balancing. How can the state of sorcerer been given the ok?
They intentionally nerf sorc because some of the devs hate them, or something. Buff damage and add new options. Don't force us to nerfed lightning.
if they would just give sorc another enchantment slot like they originally had
Thanks
They somehow made shock sorc worse against Pit bosses. I can't even with these devs rn
both items are DOA for me, except for the bug, but its not what makes it to live i believe and hope.
i don't like the alternating part of that unique.
Now +6 mana per second doesn’t sound too bad.
Yeah with GA you can have 18m/s w/o masterworking. If you hit it 2 times, that should be 24m/s from that source allone. Now add natural regen and all the other sources of enhanced regen from skills and paragon and ressource cost reductions, this should mean alot of CLs flying around. The explosion works well with picking up crackling energy orbs, tho I would preferr it to get the explosion on the last target.
I really don't get that Vox staff. So I have to cast 2x non-core Ice skills and then a core skill, just to get it to fire... 2x frost bolts? Sounds pretty pathetic tbh. You're not really gonna be able to guarantee it's always frost bolts, unless you only use ice skills. What happens if you run in and just start spamming a core skill? No extra bolts? Random bolts? This sounds dumb as F.
Sorcs really NEED a way to get Damage Reduction from distant(or flat DR%), Sorcs are decently tanky against things they can debuff or are close. Nothing worse than getting 1 shot by ranged or echoes which you can't debuff.
Vyr mastrey will get 25% or 20 forgot damage reduction not just from close but honestly rn sorc biggest issue is dps it needs more than 1000% damage increase to be viable because chain lightning barely hit 2-3 mil per hit with crazy gear and other classes are doing billions so even x10 the damage might not be enough
@@othmanalmesbah5257 It seems like none of the devs play beyond casually leveling to 100. To them sorc feels really powerful. Huge disconnect.
18:00 oh no not that cone bullshit again...
You sold me on POE2!
hope its just poor wording and the mana drain is just for each individual chain lightning, and not multiplying on each other
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New CL sorc is at best laughable. Took me 5m+ to kill Pit 61 boss and an other 5m to clear it.
Had shako, esus and a lot of GA items....
why is it broke though, i see its clearing high level content without problems? What needs to be done to make it unbroken?
Stop parroting this point without understanding how it is currently possible for sorc to clear the current content. It is entirely dependent on 100% uptime flame shield which is a pure immunity. That is removed with the PTR on top of our burning damage paragon node being hard capped kneecaps our ONE viable build off at the knees. Now you are missing the damage you once had, and second you’re just doing no damage already because you’re dead if literally anything sneezes on you.
@Spartax333 thanks for the clarification I did not know what the actual problem was.
Just basing it as I see it - for some reason Blizzard thinks Sorcs HAVE to have skills/abilities that have negative aspects without real positive effects to cancel them out.
Mana / resource drain is one the most unfun mechanic in games imho - ad of course, they had to design an item around it.
No wonder the sorcs are so weak if half of our damage is gimped by stupid mechanics that nerf us.
There's nothing wrong with the downsides to uniques imo. The juice just has to be worth the squeeze.
@@jasonlucia6682 I was not talking about uniques per SE, but about the whole sorc class philosophy which is still stuck somewhere in the past before all the changes, hence why the sorc still falls really behind in the end game.
Of course there's nothing wrong with negatives as such, as long as there are enough positives to balance - which is where usually sorc falls flat
Heil Hydra!
Jokes aside, I wouldn't mind defensive sorcerer skills being nerfed only if they increase our skill damages, their lucky hit chance and our multiplier items by a factor of x4
play all barbarian !!!!!! sorcer is delete class :)
Seems the axial isent very good