For Halo 3 ODST I'm pretty sure GameStop of all people said screw that $60 price tag and was charging $40. I bought it day one and for sure don't remember paying $60 for it.
Where is Xenoblade Chronicles 2? It offered a DLC you could buy from the beginning, which gave you a bunch of stuff for XB2. But when the final DLC apppeared, Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna the Golden Country was finally released, it was releases as a whole $40 game for anyone who didn't pick it up for $20 before it released.
Blood Dragon is kind of in the middle of this , being a standalone expansion but still so wildly different from FC3 that you cant really call that a dlc
These are all great candidates... but then there's Left 4 Dead 2, one of Valves goals for a DLC that turned into the same game, but southern, with more zombies, and no safe closets to hide in from the Horde. This is in part because of the new infected they introduced that made hiding in narrow spaces impossible. Couple that with a new cast of characters armed with new weapons and toys to play with, and in almost a year after the first Left 4 Dead was released, Valve had a sequel as opposed to a new DLC. And let's not forget that this idea was opposed by some who wanted to boycott Valve for turning what they promised was going to be new DLC into a new title game!
I love when TH-cam glitches out and doesn't save my changes properly before publishing and everyone decides it's funnier than the video we spent ages making 😭 - E
@@outsidextraon one hand you could've just styled it out like tripping on the pavement, but in fixing it you've created a whole subset of people that got here before you did that feel closer for it
The ultimate DLC: Oxventure started off as Johnny running a game for their friends, one session became a series and now that series has its own dedicated channel.
Damn, Subnautica: Below Zero didn't make the list. I remember looking through the Subnautica wiki back in early access and being so excited about all the arctic DLC content we were going to get. (and somewhat disappointed when very little of it made it in to the sequel)
That was the first game I thought of when I saw this video's title. I'm also really surprised it didn't make the cut. I followed the Below Zero's progress for years, from the moment it was announced. I love ice/snow worlds so much in games, it really seemed like a DLC made just for me.
Prince Herbert: Well, I'll tell you.... [Minstrel music begins playing] The lord of Swamp Castle: No! Not like that! Not! Like! That! No!! Stop!! SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another you missed, Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased His Name. It was originally planned to be a small segment in the upcoming Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth, then grew into a planned dlc, then eventually they just decided to go all in and make it into a stand alone title to release ahead of Infinite Wealth.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Dragon Age 2. It was originally just supposed to be DLC, and then they told the development team. "Actually make this a full game!". The time crunch because of this is why all the dungeons share the same map.
Wow that explains a heck of a lot if it's true. Shame about the maps because I really liked the story of DA2, more time to do it could've made it something special instead I'd go into what was ostensibly a brand new area and know my way through like the back of my hand
I was expecting Dishonored: Death of the Outsider to be on the list, that's the first one i thought of. And I'm pretty sure the next Saints Row, Gat out of Hell, was also an expansion-turned-standalone.
Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't mention Super Mario Galaxy 2. It's an artifact from a time when Nintendo was still rather hesitant about making DLC.
Dishonored: Death of the Outsider was the first that came to mind for me (and I was surprised not to see it, given Ellen shares my love of getting lost in the Outsider’s dark, dark eyes). Props to that game for including Displace, a traversal system that also means if you try to teleport into a space occupied by someone else they’ll explode into chunky soup. Bit of a shock when I tried to teleport in behind someone to choke them out, got my aim wrong, and instead popped them like a balloon full of giblets
It was sort of introduced in the original Doom and was was known as 'telefragging', although it relied on you jumping into a teleporter at *just* the right time to hit someone on the exit.
I don't remember if it was announced as such at first, but I think Spider-Man: Miles Morales was supposed to be DLC before they made that into a standalone game.
@@SeriousDragonify Dude, don't say woke as shorthand. Use your words. Almost nobody wanted to play as the little black deaf girl. But guess what? Insomniac removed all the LGBT stuff for the Middle-East market, therefore they are not woke ans you don't have much of an argument. Don't say JK Rowling is bad because Twitter says it, have an actual polysyllabic reason.
As I understand it, Dragon Age: Inquisition began as a DLC for Dragon Age 2 called the Exalted March that would deal with the war that was set up at the ending. I don’t know how it turned into Inquisition, since said war kinda got shoved into the background as a conflict the main antagonist was exploiting for his own ends, but I’m glad it did because Inquisition contains most of my favorite characters and moments across the series.
For assassin’s creed brotherhood I swear I saw some dev content where they flat out say they were going to add Rome as a playable city in ACII, but then they realized the city they were building was too damn big so they opted to make it it’s own game. Never thought about the possibility that devs could make DLC so big it becomes it’s own game tho.
So here's a weird mess of technicalities. Guild Wars 2. It was during a meeting for the 4th campaign of the original Guild Wars that the dev team realized they couldn't fit what they wanted to do in the game as is, so they set off to make a full sequel instead. Now the weird technical part is that each of Guild Wars' campaigns could be purchased and played individually. But they shared a world that could be connected for the players by purchasing them on the same account, and the storylines came together by the 3rd campaign, Nightfall. So instead of the 4th campaign, Utopia, What they had planned got split into two parts, the Current Era wrap up and prologue to the sequel expansion Eye* of the North, and the full sequel, Guild Wars 2.
Not quite DLC but the intention with Fallout: New Vegas was that Obsidian would take the engine and assets from Fallout 3 and produce a spin-off game in one year, whilst Bethesda was working on Skyrim.
I've heard FNV was originally planned or at least conceived to be DLC for Fallout 3, but I have absolutely no source on that. Something similar happened with Bethesda's other franchise though; _An Elder Scrolls Legends: Battlespire_ was originally planned as an expansion for TES2: Daggerfall... but nobody talks about Battlespire, so.
And then Bethesda skimped them on payment over one metacritic score point when they did more good for fallout with 18 months than Bethesda has done with 18 years. I swear we live in the worst timeline
@@OpoOnTheGo Not really. We aren't in a world where either Nazism or Communism succeeded in taking over the world. Better an unjust world than an inescapable hell, you know.
Wipeout 2097 was supposed to be an addon track pack for the first game, and was to be called "wipEout XS". The American version is called "wipeout XL" because they thought they would associate it with "extra small" instead of "Excess", but in the meantime they thought of another title for Europe. They managed to spin it into an entire game in the same amount of time they were given originally, and they improved the core mechanics while they were at it!
_Lost Legacy_ is my favourite Uncharted, so I'm grateful that it made the leap from add-on to standalone. It packs all the franchise's strengths and highlights into a single story, but without the immensity of _Uncharted 4._
It was something like "DLC to game third pass." There were a lot of comments giving the original title shortly after release, but they all seem to have disappeared.
Saw a couple of comments about this, but I would also to mention Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased His Name as a textbook example of this. Whole game was done in 6 months as well (the series notably reuses a lot of assets, not that it's a bad thing here!)
Halo 3 odst is such an underrated Halo game. It oozes atmosphere with its soundtrack alone. Really made you feel alone and isolated in those New Mombasa streets.
The "main" halo series has some absolutely iconic tracks, however I will still say that Rain (darkness and deference) is up there as one of the best tracks in the franchise. Such a beautiful song that oozes emotion and fits perfectly for the isolated streets.
Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number! The devs tried putting together more campaigns with more stories and mechanics, and eventually realized they'd need a whole another game to contain it all
If memory serves, the PS1 classic Parasite Eve II was originally meant to be, well not DLC as that wasn't a thing yet, but an expansion/spin off of Parasite Eve that got big enough that Square changed it into being a full on sequel, and all the better in my opinion. I loved the further adventures of Aya Brea (they seriously need to return to that franchise, damn it)
Director's Cut, Expanded Edition, Gold Version, etc. Something that contains the full game, plus more. Usually done for ports and next gen releases back in the day. Super Mario Galaxy 2 is another example of one that got out of hand and grew into a sequel.
Fun video. Idea for a video on a related topic: Seven sequels that were so outrageously short and/or lacking new features that they should have been a DLC instead of a full price new game.
Can't list seven, but I'll list one: Resident Evil 3 "Reimagining", which fits better as an interesting, if woefully watered down, DLC for the far better done Resident Evil 2 Remake.
Point of correction on Saints Row IV: The original Enter the Dominatrix was never intended to be a DLC. A DLC requires owning a base game which the downloaded content adds on to. As is visible in the screenshots of the announcements, EtD was originally planned as a standalone expansion, meaning it was going to be a full boxed product in its own right, but made for a lower budget (because it would be reusing most of the assets from the original game) and launching at a lower price point. THQ had actually had quite a bit of success with this model with their RTS franchises. In hindsight (and really foresight, if we're being totally honest) Rubin's decision to convert it into Saints Row IV was probably a mistake as it required an already severely cash strapped THQ to lay out a lot more money on development, and significantly delayed the return on that investment (to the point that THQ filed for bankruptcy before SR IV was able to be released, SRIV ultimately being published by Deep Silver instead).
I'm still of the mind that SR4 is literally just a full priced SR3 DLC. Which sucks, remembering the 'Disc-Locked Content' issue that SR3 had, where the content was entirely on the disc but you had to pay to unlock some of it. So in my opinion the franchise had died long before the reboot.
As an honorable mention GoW Ragnarok was originally thought to be DLC but the scope was too big in early development so they saved all of it for the sequel since they knew they planned to make one anyway.
Not sure if you've done it before, but Resident Evil 3 was going to be an expansion for 2, which is why it's so short. Code Veronica as rumoured to originally be RE3.
That's not really correct. What became RE3 was always meant to be a standalone game, it was "just" meant to be a spin-off called simply "Biohazard: Nemesis", no number attached to it. But Capcom needed a big seller in that fiscal year which had a pretty mediocre lineup planned and thought a "Biohazard 3" would sell better. RE4 was originally RE3 (or more correctly: the team that developed RE4 started their work as the RE3 team. The whole project was restarted 4 different times, with one of the iterations morphing into the first Devil May Cry)
@@AnonymousCheshireYou said it. Ah, wish Origins+Awakening didn't get sequels and just stayed a standalone package that paid loving homage to Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights.
The Half-Life 2 episodes kinda. They were meant to be shorter additions to the main story, though I think they were always meant to be standalone titles. But the first two ballooned out of proportions and Episode Three by now has turned into the ethereal, maybe-to-be-released Half-Life 3 -- a strong contender to Silksong in this regard.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Yeah, Silksong has the best chance by far. It's been announced a couple of times and we know people are working on it. HL3 I think is still a close second: it hasn't really been announced, but we know there are people who could potentially work on it and there has been some movement there in the form of HL:Alyx. A similarly ethereal one would be Beyond Good & Evil 2: it's been announced a couple of times, people have worked on it and it comes up now and again, but the project is most likely dead. As for a new Deus Ex, Wolf 3 or even things like Thief, Splinter Cell or Legacy of Kain belong to publishers who potentially could make something new with them, but probably lack the motivation to do so.
Once upon a time, we used to call those standalone expansions. That was before the word "DLC" started to mean anything from a horse armor (Oblivion) to a 30 hours+ game.
To be fair, that was also before anything was downloadable. And the first several years of things being downloadable (if you didn’t need to use your computer for anything else that week).
For some reason, I expected this video to feature DLC turned standalone like Far Cry Blood Dragon, Saints Row Gat out of Hell, and Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon's Keep. And AC Freedom Cry and Liberation iirc?
An expansion pack was essentially DLC that you couldn't download because it was the ancient times. You bought it in a store and had to install it via something the historians call a 'disk drive'...
like a dragon: gaiden was originally going to be dlc for lad: infinite wealth, going over what kiryu was doing between yakuza 6 and 7 and letting you fight in the style of the classic yakuza games, but the devs had so many ideas that they thought it'd be best to make it its own game... and also bring it out before infinite wealth, so they only had 6 months to make it
I don't think the Uncharted information is exactly right. Lost legacy was decided way before #4 was released as originally it was part of the season pass, which they ended up removing from sale before the end of the year as that is when they decided it would be a stand alone game negating the necessity for a season pass.
I was so ready to comment a "this is where i would put silk song.... IF I HAD ONE!" joke, then you beat me to it with a completely serious entry trying to "force" the devs' hand. XD
The sad thing is Lost Legacy was meant as DLC for Uncharted 4, became its own game and then the best Uncharted game because it's the least like the previous entries and more like the Tomb Raider games it was trying to ape all along!
It always surprised me that ODST got poor reviews; to this day it's still my favourite Halo game alongside Reach. The original Halo games are good and all, but Reach perfected the pure run and gun experience, while ODST was moody and encouraged a bit more stealth and cunning to protect your fragile little ordinary human. Also it had half the cast of Firefly in it.
Odd how the closing line for the ODST segment is supposed to be funny, but is sadly poignant. Almost as much as the reminder that ODST, released in 2009, was $60. Nearly $15 years, and only a $10 difference from modern games.
Hollow Knight Silksong has been my "most anticipated game of the year" for every year since they officially announced it. Let's hope 2024 is the last year I have to call it "most anticipated" and instead simply be able to call it my "Game of the Year". 🤞
In certain cases, DLC means Disc-Locked Content. Because you own the disc of the game, all the content is on it, and paying actual money to unlock that content doesn't require a download, it just unlocks content that's on the disc. Volition was guilty of this in Saint's Row 3.
One more: Assault on Dragon Keep for Borderlands 2, which both became a stand-alone spinoff AND gave birth to a whole new game (Tiny Tina's Wonderlands).
Amazing that you didn't mention a single one of the EA DLCs that became full games. Madden 06. Madden 07 ... Madden 24 [you get the gist]. Fifa 12, Fifa 13 [joke wearing thin].
nintendo did this before with super mario galaxy! super mario galaxy 2 was originally an expanded version of the first game titled "super mario galaxy more"
Hotline Miami 2 was originally supposed to just be a dlc that was made to clear up the story and it was supposed to be the same size and length of the original game but they got enough money from Hotline Miami that they just turned it into a full on sequel.
It's impossible to know, but my gut says that if we'd never said the words 'expansion pack' we would have seen an appreciable increase in the review scores." This is exactly why Activision is so adamant MWIII was not originally intended as an expansion to MWII, even though it's clear the remastered MWII maps were intended for, well, MWII.
I was terribly excited for The Legend of Zelda tears of the Kingdom. But I do partly agree that it might have been better off his like a DLC somewhat. Although, if anything is more like the mood and the atmosphere of the game was definitely off a ways after the first game. But I didn't hate it. In fact it was a lot of fun. I think it's because the aforementioned atmosphere was a little more somber, that kind of changed things around. Whereas things were already bad in the first game but they didn't seem so bleak in relation to both the future/present and the past. And speaking of the past, certain elements of ancient Hyrule still aren't explained, if anything the addition of the zona kind of complicate things even more since they all just seem to have died off and/or disappeared with ancient ruins floating around in the sky. So in the end I'm actually a bit on the fence about it
To be honest, I think that if they had changed up the map more, people wouldn’t have called it DLC. With the 2 new areas kind of lacking in meaningful exploration, the main map being very similar to the previous entry just pushed this idea of it being a glorified DLC.
a lot of totk wasn't even planned as dlc, but part of the main botw game and they still didn't have time to fit it in wonder if totk has the small town from minish cap which was also considered for botw
Unlike some DLC, at least these games typically come from the devs getting excited about their work. I don't think a single one of these can be regarded as subpar or even mid.
A couple that come to mind. Metal Gear Survive was originally supposedly developed as a part of MGS V rather than the standalone game it was actually released as. Serious Sam: Siberian Mayhem was originally just a 3 map DLC by design but kind of blew out due to scale.
Was Yakuza Dead Souls meant to be DLC? It's got a whole new core mechanic, but considering how close it is to Yakuza 4, it feels awfully like DLC that grew into a whole separate game.
the original Resident Evil 3 Nemesis was originally supposed to be a spin-off of the original Resident Evil 2 and Resident Evil Code Veronica was going to be the actual sequel until Capcom decided to make Resident Evil 3 it's own game.
Cadence of Hyrule is a case of a project blowing up inti a full game. Link and Zelda were just supposed to be switch exclusive characters in Crypt of the Necrodancer but into an entire new game it became.
A little known fact:
Outside Xtra was originally meant to be DLC for outsidexbox.
They also call it the Arts and Crafts add-on
But don't get them ever confused with zooming games 😉
Dragon age 2 would have been better as dlc but still love it
OXtheftAuto: London, Show of the Weekend edition...
@@ZaltarishI'd argue it would've been best as a spinoff, but dlc would work fine too
4:49- At least they were honest about it.😂
For Halo 3 ODST I'm pretty sure GameStop of all people said screw that $60 price tag and was charging $40. I bought it day one and for sure don't remember paying $60 for it.
Where is Xenoblade Chronicles 2? It offered a DLC you could buy from the beginning, which gave you a bunch of stuff for XB2. But when the final DLC apppeared, Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna the Golden Country was finally released, it was releases as a whole $40 game for anyone who didn't pick it up for $20 before it released.
Blood Dragon is kind of in the middle of this , being a standalone expansion but still so wildly different from FC3 that you cant really call that a dlc
These are all great candidates... but then there's Left 4 Dead 2, one of Valves goals for a DLC that turned into the same game, but southern, with more zombies, and no safe closets to hide in from the Horde. This is in part because of the new infected they introduced that made hiding in narrow spaces impossible. Couple that with a new cast of characters armed with new weapons and toys to play with, and in almost a year after the first Left 4 Dead was released, Valve had a sequel as opposed to a new DLC.
And let's not forget that this idea was opposed by some who wanted to boycott Valve for turning what they promised was going to be new DLC into a new title game!
Wasn't Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic originally supposed to be an expansion for Age of Wonders 2 until it was released as a stand alone
I'll say this: I have more faith in Silksong's release than Half Life 3
Now we just need the inverse of this, where it’s sequels that should have been DLC’s
Every FIFA and CoD or any sports title for that matter.
for some reason I thought they did that already
The Force Unleashed 2. It was like a 2 hour long hallway with a Darth Vader at the end.
AC: Mirage would be back on this list if they did that lol
RE3make
mr. placeholder title is doing his best, leave him alone
I love when TH-cam glitches out and doesn't save my changes properly before publishing and everyone decides it's funnier than the video we spent ages making 😭 - E
@@outsidextra farewell Mr Placeholder Title, we hardly knew ye.
@@outsidextra The garfield and horses meta is strong.
@@outsidextra that fact is honestly funnier than both the glitch *and* the video 💀💀
@@outsidextraon one hand you could've just styled it out like tripping on the pavement, but in fixing it you've created a whole subset of people that got here before you did that feel closer for it
The ultimate DLC: Oxventure started off as Johnny running a game for their friends, one session became a series and now that series has its own dedicated channel.
And its own spinoffs!
Oxventure is a Mouse Trap spin-off
My favourite dlc
We'll get Silksong one day. One day.
Devs & fans of "Undertale Yellow": Stay determined ... some things really are worth waiting for.
@@zenkim6709 The thought of Silksong getting released fills you with determination.
Damn, Subnautica: Below Zero didn't make the list. I remember looking through the Subnautica wiki back in early access and being so excited about all the arctic DLC content we were going to get. (and somewhat disappointed when very little of it made it in to the sequel)
I know right. Maybe it will make it into the commenter edition.
That was the first game I thought of when I saw this video's title. I'm also really surprised it didn't make the cut. I followed the Below Zero's progress for years, from the moment it was announced. I love ice/snow worlds so much in games, it really seemed like a DLC made just for me.
This was the game I was gonna suggest as well
1st game I thought of to. Commenter edition plz.
Ellen going "NO! Not like that! Stop it!" was golden. 😆
She knows her audience too well :D
My monocle popped out, honestly how dare XD
Now that's what I call a HAPPY ending!
Prince Herbert: Well, I'll tell you....
[Minstrel music begins playing]
The lord of Swamp Castle: No! Not like that! Not! Like! That! No!! Stop!! SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could easily imagine the editor cracking a smile and going, "oh yeah, we're keeping that take."
Another you missed, Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased His Name. It was originally planned to be a small segment in the upcoming Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth, then grew into a planned dlc, then eventually they just decided to go all in and make it into a stand alone title to release ahead of Infinite Wealth.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Dragon Age 2. It was originally just supposed to be DLC, and then they told the development team. "Actually make this a full game!". The time crunch because of this is why all the dungeons share the same map.
Wow that explains a heck of a lot if it's true. Shame about the maps because I really liked the story of DA2, more time to do it could've made it something special instead I'd go into what was ostensibly a brand new area and know my way through like the back of my hand
Yea it was unfortunate because its actually a really good game outside of the cut corners.
@@seanbroccoli2698
i'll give you decent-good, but not very good...
i also, am sad they rushed it so much...
Oof. I already have a hard time going back to the game after "running out" of time I can dedicate to playing... This is gonna make it even harder lol
Subnautica Below Zero was also originally speculated and kinda confirmed to be a DLC until the full game was released.
I was expecting Dishonored: Death of the Outsider to be on the list, that's the first one i thought of.
And I'm pretty sure the next Saints Row, Gat out of Hell, was also an expansion-turned-standalone.
Thank you. I thought of Dishonored DotO as well.
I'm pretty sure death of the outsider was dlc but it could also be purchased as a standalone
@@elfarlaur Could be, I was going off my experience on PC where it is a separate game and launches independently of 2.
I was expecting Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood to be on here
Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't mention Super Mario Galaxy 2. It's an artifact from a time when Nintendo was still rather hesitant about making DLC.
My thoughts exactly!
Did the Wii even support DLC?
Dishonored: Death of the Outsider was the first that came to mind for me (and I was surprised not to see it, given Ellen shares my love of getting lost in the Outsider’s dark, dark eyes).
Props to that game for including Displace, a traversal system that also means if you try to teleport into a space occupied by someone else they’ll explode into chunky soup. Bit of a shock when I tried to teleport in behind someone to choke them out, got my aim wrong, and instead popped them like a balloon full of giblets
It was sort of introduced in the original Doom and was was known as 'telefragging', although it relied on you jumping into a teleporter at *just* the right time to hit someone on the exit.
so not only could oxtra count for this list but also Oxventure which now has it's own dedicated channel
What about Blood Dragon, the standalone expansion for Far Cry 3? The 80s scifi setting, characters and Michael Biehn made it quite special.
I don't remember if it was announced as such at first, but I think Spider-Man: Miles Morales was supposed to be DLC before they made that into a standalone game.
Standalone DLC is a thing.
@@vvevv88
Word. Blood Dragon.
Same with SM2.
Literally is dlc with excluded stuffs out of the game.
Game is way shorter than 1st game.
Also both MM and 2 are heavily woke.
@@SeriousDragonify
Dude, don't say woke as shorthand. Use your words. Almost nobody wanted to play as the little black deaf girl. But guess what? Insomniac removed all the LGBT stuff for the Middle-East market, therefore they are not woke ans you don't have much of an argument.
Don't say JK Rowling is bad because Twitter says it, have an actual polysyllabic reason.
@@SeriousDragonify Well, you'd hope he's awake, he's Spider-Man.
As I understand it, Dragon Age: Inquisition began as a DLC for Dragon Age 2 called the Exalted March that would deal with the war that was set up at the ending. I don’t know how it turned into Inquisition, since said war kinda got shoved into the background as a conflict the main antagonist was exploiting for his own ends, but I’m glad it did because Inquisition contains most of my favorite characters and moments across the series.
The genuine fear in her eyes 😂 "No no no, stop it"
She's seen the Oxventures fan art. She knows what we're like. 😆
Modern warfare 3. That's why its incredibly short and terrible
For assassin’s creed brotherhood I swear I saw some dev content where they flat out say they were going to add Rome as a playable city in ACII, but then they realized the city they were building was too damn big so they opted to make it it’s own game. Never thought about the possibility that devs could make DLC so big it becomes it’s own game tho.
Typical development process. You play around with ideas the ideas get bigger maybe too big...
I don't know if this is accurate, but Spiderman: Miles Morales feels like it may have been DLC at one point.
So here's a weird mess of technicalities. Guild Wars 2. It was during a meeting for the 4th campaign of the original Guild Wars that the dev team realized they couldn't fit what they wanted to do in the game as is, so they set off to make a full sequel instead. Now the weird technical part is that each of Guild Wars' campaigns could be purchased and played individually. But they shared a world that could be connected for the players by purchasing them on the same account, and the storylines came together by the 3rd campaign, Nightfall. So instead of the 4th campaign, Utopia, What they had planned got split into two parts, the Current Era wrap up and prologue to the sequel expansion Eye* of the North, and the full sequel, Guild Wars 2.
Eye of the North?
@@lilianlepesme6935 Yes, thank you. Crossed wires with the GW2 expansion 😅
Ever met ARCOS SHININGPAW? (Belenus.9132) I know 'em in real life - she's eighty and has been playing since beta, 2012!
Not quite DLC but the intention with Fallout: New Vegas was that Obsidian would take the engine and assets from Fallout 3 and produce a spin-off game in one year, whilst Bethesda was working on Skyrim.
I've heard FNV was originally planned or at least conceived to be DLC for Fallout 3, but I have absolutely no source on that. Something similar happened with Bethesda's other franchise though; _An Elder Scrolls Legends: Battlespire_ was originally planned as an expansion for TES2: Daggerfall... but nobody talks about Battlespire, so.
Funny, I nowadays think that FO3 is the *spin-off* while FNV is the *true sequel.*
And then Bethesda skimped them on payment over one metacritic score point when they did more good for fallout with 18 months than Bethesda has done with 18 years. I swear we live in the worst timeline
@@OpoOnTheGo Not really. We aren't in a world where either Nazism or Communism succeeded in taking over the world. Better an unjust world than an inescapable hell, you know.
and vegas turned out to be better than the 4th game, fallout "3"...
Wipeout 2097 was supposed to be an addon track pack for the first game, and was to be called "wipEout XS". The American version is called "wipeout XL" because they thought they would associate it with "extra small" instead of "Excess", but in the meantime they thought of another title for Europe.
They managed to spin it into an entire game in the same amount of time they were given originally, and they improved the core mechanics while they were at it!
To this day, the music for Wipeout XL / 2097 is still one of my favorite video game soundtracks of all time
_Lost Legacy_ is my favourite Uncharted, so I'm grateful that it made the leap from add-on to standalone. It packs all the franchise's strengths and highlights into a single story, but without the immensity of _Uncharted 4._
Its excellent.
Loving the almost certainly inadvertent behind the scenes video title.
What was the title?
It was something like "DLC to game third pass." There were a lot of comments giving the original title shortly after release, but they all seem to have disappeared.
But no mention of COD's last excretion? Or were the developers too cowardly to admit it?
Activision was too cowardly to admit it, even though leakers and data miner's already confirmed that it was indeed supposed to be a dlc
Stop blaming the devs for the sins if the publishers. Your are just helping the people who made the stupid decisions.
ODST might be my favourite Halo campaign, love the interplay with the characters. Also the soundtrack is absolutely top notch
And the pseudo open world segments on harder difficulties was just too fun
Saw a couple of comments about this, but I would also to mention Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased His Name as a textbook example of this. Whole game was done in 6 months as well (the series notably reuses a lot of assets, not that it's a bad thing here!)
Proud to be here while the video still has the temp title
I saw the temp title, in my notifs but the real title just blasted that out my skull
ODST was my favourite Halo. In fact it was the one that made me play the others since I’d lost interest in the original.
Halo 3 odst is such an underrated Halo game. It oozes atmosphere with its soundtrack alone. Really made you feel alone and isolated in those New Mombasa streets.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
The "main" halo series has some absolutely iconic tracks, however I will still say that Rain (darkness and deference) is up there as one of the best tracks in the franchise. Such a beautiful song that oozes emotion and fits perfectly for the isolated streets.
Plus it has Nathan Fillion
Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number! The devs tried putting together more campaigns with more stories and mechanics, and eventually realized they'd need a whole another game to contain it all
The latest Call of Duty. It's a big DLC and they want £80 for it.
Franchise is a joke these days
An overpriced dlc that actively breaks more than it adds
Did SM Miles Morales start out as DLC for Spider-Man PS4? I can’t confirm that, but I was under the impression it did
I figured it was a DLC/separate game like New Super Luigi U or Xenoblade Chronicles 2'sTorna:The Golden County.
If memory serves, the PS1 classic Parasite Eve II was originally meant to be, well not DLC as that wasn't a thing yet, but an expansion/spin off of Parasite Eve that got big enough that Square changed it into being a full on sequel, and all the better in my opinion. I loved the further adventures of Aya Brea (they seriously need to return to that franchise, damn it)
Director's Cut, Expanded Edition, Gold Version, etc. Something that contains the full game, plus more. Usually done for ports and next gen releases back in the day. Super Mario Galaxy 2 is another example of one that got out of hand and grew into a sequel.
One of my core early gaming memories is getting the G3A3 rifle in Parasite Eve!❤
Fun video. Idea for a video on a related topic: Seven sequels that were so outrageously short and/or lacking new features that they should have been a DLC instead of a full price new game.
Can't list seven, but I'll list one: Resident Evil 3 "Reimagining", which fits better as an interesting, if woefully watered down, DLC for the far better done Resident Evil 2 Remake.
cod mw, the new one?
I think Mario Galaxy 2 was originally planned as DLC but ballooned (insert image of blimp yoshi here) into a full blown sequel.
Point of correction on Saints Row IV: The original Enter the Dominatrix was never intended to be a DLC. A DLC requires owning a base game which the downloaded content adds on to. As is visible in the screenshots of the announcements, EtD was originally planned as a standalone expansion, meaning it was going to be a full boxed product in its own right, but made for a lower budget (because it would be reusing most of the assets from the original game) and launching at a lower price point. THQ had actually had quite a bit of success with this model with their RTS franchises.
In hindsight (and really foresight, if we're being totally honest) Rubin's decision to convert it into Saints Row IV was probably a mistake as it required an already severely cash strapped THQ to lay out a lot more money on development, and significantly delayed the return on that investment (to the point that THQ filed for bankruptcy before SR IV was able to be released, SRIV ultimately being published by Deep Silver instead).
I'm still of the mind that SR4 is literally just a full priced SR3 DLC. Which sucks, remembering the 'Disc-Locked Content' issue that SR3 had, where the content was entirely on the disc but you had to pay to unlock some of it. So in my opinion the franchise had died long before the reboot.
As an honorable mention GoW Ragnarok was originally thought to be DLC but the scope was too big in early development so they saved all of it for the sequel since they knew they planned to make one anyway.
Not sure if you've done it before, but Resident Evil 3 was going to be an expansion for 2, which is why it's so short. Code Veronica as rumoured to originally be RE3.
That's not really correct. What became RE3 was always meant to be a standalone game, it was "just" meant to be a spin-off called simply "Biohazard: Nemesis", no number attached to it. But Capcom needed a big seller in that fiscal year which had a pretty mediocre lineup planned and thought a "Biohazard 3" would sell better. RE4 was originally RE3 (or more correctly: the team that developed RE4 started their work as the RE3 team. The whole project was restarted 4 different times, with one of the iterations morphing into the first Devil May Cry)
Shame the Remake for it just had to fulfill your criteria.
Dragon Age Origins: Awakening, the only game I know of where the DLC was so big that they marketed as both DLC AND a Sequel.
And honestly? Better than the actual sequel haha
@@AnonymousCheshireYou said it. Ah, wish Origins+Awakening didn't get sequels and just stayed a standalone package that paid loving homage to Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights.
Lol hollow knight dev, "We have no idea how to make Dlc," dont worry bud, most of the industry doesn't at least you made a whole working game lol
It still boggles me to this day that Blood & Wine, the 2nd expansion to Witcher 3 is a DLC and not a separate game. It's freaking huge!
The Half-Life 2 episodes kinda. They were meant to be shorter additions to the main story, though I think they were always meant to be standalone titles. But the first two ballooned out of proportions and Episode Three by now has turned into the ethereal, maybe-to-be-released Half-Life 3 -- a strong contender to Silksong in this regard.
Hmm, Silksong still has a chance. Deus Ex 3 featuring Adam Jensen and MachineGames' Wolfenstein III, on the other hand...
@@michaelandreipalon359 Yeah, Silksong has the best chance by far. It's been announced a couple of times and we know people are working on it. HL3 I think is still a close second: it hasn't really been announced, but we know there are people who could potentially work on it and there has been some movement there in the form of HL:Alyx. A similarly ethereal one would be Beyond Good & Evil 2: it's been announced a couple of times, people have worked on it and it comes up now and again, but the project is most likely dead.
As for a new Deus Ex, Wolf 3 or even things like Thief, Splinter Cell or Legacy of Kain belong to publishers who potentially could make something new with them, but probably lack the motivation to do so.
By now, the Patreon has gotten big enough to be OX's full blown sequel really. :D
Hooray! I knew the last two, but the rest were a pleasant surprise! Thanks, Ellen and Luke!
Once upon a time, we used to call those standalone expansions. That was before the word "DLC" started to mean anything from a horse armor (Oblivion) to a 30 hours+ game.
To be fair, that was also before anything was downloadable. And the first several years of things being downloadable (if you didn’t need to use your computer for anything else that week).
For some reason, I expected this video to feature DLC turned standalone like Far Cry Blood Dragon, Saints Row Gat out of Hell, and Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon's Keep. And AC Freedom Cry and Liberation iirc?
In regards to the Vice City part: Wasn't DLC still called expansion packs back then and could be much bigger than the majority of DLC?
An expansion pack was essentially DLC that you couldn't download because it was the ancient times. You bought it in a store and had to install it via something the historians call a 'disk drive'...
like a dragon: gaiden was originally going to be dlc for lad: infinite wealth, going over what kiryu was doing between yakuza 6 and 7 and letting you fight in the style of the classic yakuza games, but the devs had so many ideas that they thought it'd be best to make it its own game... and also bring it out before infinite wealth, so they only had 6 months to make it
I don't think the Uncharted information is exactly right. Lost legacy was decided way before #4 was released as originally it was part of the season pass, which they ended up removing from sale before the end of the year as that is when they decided it would be a stand alone game negating the necessity for a season pass.
I was so ready to comment a "this is where i would put silk song.... IF I HAD ONE!" joke, then you beat me to it with a completely serious entry trying to "force" the devs' hand. XD
The Lost Legacy was great but a bit too short for a full game ... at least compared to A Thief's End (which was double the playtime)
The sad thing is Lost Legacy was meant as DLC for Uncharted 4, became its own game and then the best Uncharted game because it's the least like the previous entries and more like the Tomb Raider games it was trying to ape all along!
Very much loving the shout out to Robbie Burns as it’s burns night this week 🏴🏴🏴
It always surprised me that ODST got poor reviews; to this day it's still my favourite Halo game alongside Reach. The original Halo games are good and all, but Reach perfected the pure run and gun experience, while ODST was moody and encouraged a bit more stealth and cunning to protect your fragile little ordinary human. Also it had half the cast of Firefly in it.
Odd how the closing line for the ODST segment is supposed to be funny, but is sadly poignant.
Almost as much as the reminder that ODST, released in 2009, was $60. Nearly $15 years, and only a $10 difference from modern games.
Hollow Knight Silksong has been my "most anticipated game of the year" for every year since they officially announced it. Let's hope 2024 is the last year I have to call it "most anticipated" and instead simply be able to call it my "Game of the Year". 🤞
In certain cases, DLC means Disc-Locked Content. Because you own the disc of the game, all the content is on it, and paying actual money to unlock that content doesn't require a download, it just unlocks content that's on the disc. Volition was guilty of this in Saint's Row 3.
One more: Assault on Dragon Keep for Borderlands 2, which both became a stand-alone spinoff AND gave birth to a whole new game (Tiny Tina's Wonderlands).
Amazing that you didn't mention a single one of the EA DLCs that became full games. Madden 06. Madden 07 ... Madden 24 [you get the gist]. Fifa 12, Fifa 13 [joke wearing thin].
It's a freaking sport's simulator!? You think NFL has changed in the last 20 years? What the heck were you expecting!?
April Fool's joke are basicly, unless people are excited for, then they make it into reality...Like a Dragon Yakuza..........
AC 1 was NOT "mid"... it was AMAZING for its time.
nintendo did this before with super mario galaxy! super mario galaxy 2 was originally an expanded version of the first game titled "super mario galaxy more"
Like a Dragon Gaiden: the Man who erased his name is a good shout here
Vice city was not meant as DLC but an expansion pack, which is much more then DLC. Like WC3 Frozen Throne for example.
Hotline Miami 2 was originally supposed to just be a dlc that was made to clear up the story and it was supposed to be the same size and length of the original game but they got enough money from Hotline Miami that they just turned it into a full on sequel.
Xenoblade 2: Torna was originally a flashback chapter in the base game before being turned into a 20 hour game that was sold standalone
I feel like far cry primal and new dawn for this measure. That or games that should have been dlc
It's impossible to know, but my gut says that if we'd never said the words 'expansion pack' we would have seen an appreciable increase in the review scores."
This is exactly why Activision is so adamant MWIII was not originally intended as an expansion to MWII, even though it's clear the remastered MWII maps were intended for, well, MWII.
What about destiny 2. The base game is now gone. Only the dlc Or expansions is all that remains.
I was terribly excited for The Legend of Zelda tears of the Kingdom. But I do partly agree that it might have been better off his like a DLC somewhat. Although, if anything is more like the mood and the atmosphere of the game was definitely off a ways after the first game. But I didn't hate it. In fact it was a lot of fun. I think it's because the aforementioned atmosphere was a little more somber, that kind of changed things around. Whereas things were already bad in the first game but they didn't seem so bleak in relation to both the future/present and the past. And speaking of the past, certain elements of ancient Hyrule still aren't explained, if anything the addition of the zona kind of complicate things even more since they all just seem to have died off and/or disappeared with ancient ruins floating around in the sky.
So in the end I'm actually a bit on the fence about it
To be honest, I think that if they had changed up the map more, people wouldn’t have called it DLC. With the 2 new areas kind of lacking in meaningful exploration, the main map being very similar to the previous entry just pushed this idea of it being a glorified DLC.
But would you pay $70 for a mere DLC?
a lot of totk wasn't even planned as dlc, but part of the main botw game and they still didn't have time to fit it in
wonder if totk has the small town from minish cap which was also considered for botw
Super Mario Galaxy 2 was also originally meant to be DLC. Surprised you didn’t mention it here.
Thank you for letting the Summer Madness intro riff play out in the vice city entry, I'm off to listen to Kool and the Gang! 😊
Unlike some DLC, at least these games typically come from the devs getting excited about their work. I don't think a single one of these can be regarded as subpar or even mid.
*coughs in Assassin's Creed: Mirage*
Tears of the Kingdom makes me think: any other games that were made to be broken?
goat simulator.
me and my friends play games of modded ROUNDS until someones game crashes, but idk if that counts
@@Ghastly_Graves yeah I didn’t even think of the simulator games but you’re right haha
A couple that come to mind.
Metal Gear Survive was originally supposedly developed as a part of MGS V rather than the standalone game it was actually released as.
Serious Sam: Siberian Mayhem was originally just a 3 map DLC by design but kind of blew out due to scale.
Yakuza Gaiden was meant to be a DLC and got turned into a complete game and I'm glad it did.
I'm surprised that Super Mario Galaxy 2 wasn't mentioned. Maybe next list.
Was Yakuza Dead Souls meant to be DLC? It's got a whole new core mechanic, but considering how close it is to Yakuza 4, it feels awfully like DLC that grew into a whole separate game.
the original Resident Evil 3 Nemesis was originally supposed to be a spin-off of the original Resident Evil 2 and Resident Evil Code Veronica was going to be the actual sequel until Capcom decided to make Resident Evil 3 it's own game.
Cadence of Hyrule is a case of a project blowing up inti a full game. Link and Zelda were just supposed to be switch exclusive characters in Crypt of the Necrodancer but into an entire new game it became.
ODST was worth the extra money. I LOVED that game.
Subnautica: Below Zero is a good example of this.
MW3 but that game deserves no publicity whatsoever
Dang it guys we don’t need to give the “tears of the Kingdom is 70$ DLC” gang more ammunition to continue their ill-thought out argument….
How can it be ill thought out when it was basically confirmed
Nice touch starting with a Rabbie Burns reference given this video was released the week of Burns' Night ❤
Luke shaking his head at Bungie because they still haven't learned about open and honest communication 😂
Oh Ellen… don’t act so innocent
Oh you guys never disappoint, perfect
Super Mario Galaxy 2 was initially planned to be DLC but later became a sequel