Kpop does this as well and it creates literal stalkers that follow their every move and fans get SO genuinely hurt when the K-pop artists (male or female) date or do anything they don’t agree with.
The comparison is wrong. Asian idol industry is a whole other category. Always was and always will be. Also: stalkers are not more likely produced this way. At least there is no proof for that. Every person can get a stalker. It‘s not the persons fault. Sometimes even a little chat with your work colleague is enough
@@and.me_7390 they literally do boyfriend simulated videos for fans lol and tons of fan service. I’m not blaming the idols themselves bc at the end of the day a lot of them are just doing what they’re asked to do by their companies. Back in the day they’d even accept extravagant gifts from fansites, who then feel like they have a right towards knowing every single detail about these idols. So yes, a lot of what the K-pop industry does breeds stalkers and extreme parasocial relationships between idols and fans. If an idol falls out of line at all with what fans think they deserve from them (time, content, transparency) they send literal Jumbotrons demanding companies fire said idols lol they literally call for their careers to be destroyed. That’s how much control they feel they have over these performers. It’s actually probably worse than what Taylor has done, actually
I don't think it's the artists themselves doing this so much as it is their managing companies (I forget what they're called) because they prioritize profits over their own employees.
Depends. I'm an Eminem fan and dissing is part of hip-hop culture. So the arguing is more for fun and not serious arguments, at least for many hip-hop fans
Taylor brought my cousin in her tour bus after a concert once. To this day her mom and her are trying so hard to get Taylor to remember them because they think they are old friends.
And the fact that she revels in it and never tries to push back on their blatant ridiculousness is kind of gross. She loves this. She loves the power. I am sure she loves her fans, but in recent years it's been more about milking them for every dollar they have because the hundreds of millions she has isn't enough.
how can she love millions of faceless individuals shes never met? these are just dollars for her. they think she loves them back but she dgaf about them actually
The Swiftie fan base honestly disturbs me sometimes. I like some of her music but I wouldn’t call myself a Stan so I’ve only interacted with them online, but even then, the level of obsession I’ve seen is concerning.
Right, i saw a girl CRYING BALLING over a taylor swift CARDIGAN. I've been a fangirl not of her but of others, and it just occurred to me why am I idolizing another human being? It's disturbing once you snap of the spell
since around 8 years old, i was a huge taylor swift fan. in my early teens, i had a tumblr dedicated to her, where i made friends with other fans. one of my friends was 'befriended' by taylor, and convinced taylor to also follow me (and others) on tumblr. she reblogged a few of my posts. later, at a concert, my friend was invited to meet taylor but a bunch of us werent, and it caused many issues. that friend grew a huge, inflated ego, and considered herself much better than us because she 'won' the affection of taylor. as for me, i grew sour about the fact that i was rejected by that online friend, and seemingly rejected by taylor despite my efforts to be friendly with her. i was only 13 or 14. looking back, it was incredibly unhealthy and a very competitive environment. even though now as an adult, i can look back and realise that this attitude of taylors was very weird and almost grooming, but the way that it affected me at such a young age lives with me to this day.
Wow, this is heartbreaking to read, I can't imagine what it would be like for me to be in your shoes, but I know even a small amount of how this feels. The desperation for validation from your idol and then the soul crushing rejection when they ignore you. Seeing this makes me so glad Beyonce is as inaccessible as she is because this sounds like a nightmare. I really appreciate you sharing this because you quite literally have first-hand expereience.
"Very weird and almost grooming" might be right. That's one step away from coleen ballinger. I wanna speculate if she had a missing childhood moment kinda like michael jackson. But no, she has plenty of friends already
Now this is FUCKING crazy. I remember these days. You cannot be victimizing yourself here dude. Grooming someone is a VERY serious allegation. The tumblr era of taylor was when she HERSELF was a teenager-young adult. Please check me if I'm wrong. She didn't have many friends when she was young which is why she decided to look for some in fans. She didn't reject you or choose you, that was all literally in your head. She was literally a teenager too. The fact that you brought up "grooming" and threw that word around so lightly, shows how reliable you as a person are.
@@2guys1cliplol Context is what's important here not extant, idolizing your parents is one thing idolizing a celebrity that is stranger to you is very not okay. Parasocial media has people confused thinking that being a fan of someone means you need to be obsessed with knowing their every move and constantly shower them with praise, it's gross.
I hate that you cant just be a casual fan anymore. You look at her fans online or go to her shows, all you see are these obsessed fans. Or if you tell someone you enjoy her music, people may roll their eyes and assume you agree with her every action. Her music really helped me a lot growing up and I enjoy what she creates now, but why does it have to be anything more than that?
I’m the exact same way. I like her music a lot, but I don’t know her as a person, and from what I see, I find her to be slightly annoying, actually. The amount of times I’ve been called a fake fan because I’m not groveling at her feet is incredible. Yes, I went to the eras tour. No, I wasn’t screaming my lungs out and losing my mind. I sang along and had a good time. Yes, I have all her albums on cd. No, I’m not collecting every variant of Midnights or TTPD. Her fanatics are very weird and narrow minded.
But she seems to have so much control over everything else. Didn’t she re recorded her entire catalog so that she could sell it or whatever? you’re telling me she doesn’t have control over her tweets if she wants?
@@Fucorii right and when you own something what can you do with it? What do you do when you have a product that you own? What would you do with that product? I would also like you to explain to me how a person might obtain an album or go to a concert. what do you have to have in order to go to a concert or own an album that somebody else created? What would you give them for those things?
@@LittleYoki what? Owning your art is really important. Because when another person owns your art that you worked for, they can use it and make much more money than the artist that made it. Ofc, Taylor have always been wanting credit and money... She is owning it to get her fair share of money (or just more money) that she worked hard for.... She wants to get more money (for her work), as she should...
Most likely not, but something surprising could happen! It's not entirely impossible! (I'm saying this as someone who doesn't really care about any celebrities.)
The things about Taylor Swift inviting a group of fans into her mansion is also a marketing genius because the fans she picked are also very active on social media and build fans sites for her. They aren't just any fans but super fans as well. And it encourages the super Fandom to go crazy for her and promote her like crazy. She is also not inexperience in her tactics. She always tries to portray herself as relatable but she is beyond relatable even as a child. A lot of her persona is mostly fabricated over the years. Her childhood upbringing also doesn't line up with many stories she tells her fans. Like she said she wasn't popular and was bullied. Well in a old teenage Vogue interview she said she was actually pretty popular and was part of a popular girl group in Junior high. She was also the most popular girl in her high school because she was already famous and had fans in school as well. Also her mom was marketing expert who used to work for an advertisement firm. Taylor's mom pretty much wanted Taylor to be famous since she was little and used to manage all her social media pages and websites. Even til today her mom makes decision on who gets to be near Taylor including fans and security guards.
It makes no sense for her not to be popular when she had all the markings: pretty, skinny, blonde - white - girl who wears designer bags and drives an expensive car. Not to mention she got to model for Abercrombie. I don't believe in her "i wasn't popular or cool" tale once I saw her teen photos and realized....
An email leaked shows us that her dad and mother are toxic narcissists. They both think they’re are above most people and do Taylor likely is an version of them. Taylor being a narcissist is not new news. People are catching on as they have Selena Gomez. And yes Taylor was on magazine in her youth and said she was popular because of her fame and because of her dad. Her dad is extremely wealthy and her upbringing has been wealthy and privileged. Her dad had connections and he forced everyone to put Taylor on top via money.
This cannot be said enough. I like Taylor Swift and love her music but her backstory is very fabricated and outright wrong. The story she sells of growing up on a Christmas tree farm, with kitchen table bills paints a different narrative than the wealthy girl from Pennsylvania whose stock broker father at Merrill Lynch bought her a whole record label so his little girl could become famous and break into country music bc it was an easy pigeonhole, a wide audience at the time and she looks-wise she fit the Carrie Underwood look at the time, like all country singers of the mid 2000s. All respect to her, she carried this past decade and earned all the stripes she has based off sheer talent and hard work. Just pointing out the facts. It's financially beneficial to appeal to everyone if you say you started off just like everyone else but in fact, she started off way ahead. 🤷♀️
Taylor and her fans are like a giant, parasocial codependent relationship. She needs their constant validation and praise, and they need to believe that she needs them. It's like a corrupt queen and her giant, blindly loyal army.
@@christiand8243 as a huge beatles fan, hell, you can say Stan, I would never go to the levels of swifties or kpop fans (I get the beatles is a dead group but I would not be toxic to people who disagree with my favorite band or with problematic things they do.)
@GirlWithABigHeart69 Beatles fans back in the day were probably that crazy tho. Some literally call Taylor’s current popularity “Swiftmania” after “Beatlemania.
I enjoy her music very much but I completely agree. Even in her latest tour, The Eras Tour, she said: ”If you see me staring at you, it's just because I'm actively trying to memorise your faces”, something I think is very questionable.
@@SwiftlyGaybecause she’s creating the illusion that she’s bonding with individual fans. It’s fine to do in your head but a weird thing to say out loud to people who practically idolize you, there’s an imbalance there.
Honestly as a swiftie i genuinely feel like i am under a spell, even though im highly aware of my parasocial tendancies. Like i cant stop thinking or talking about her and I feel like I know her better than non-swifties do even though I'm well aware she doesnt know I exist and never will. Her relationship with her fans has become so exploitative, especially in recent years, and it makes me feel conflicted about how positively I feel about her.
Swiftie to Swiftie, just stay focused on the music. You don’t owe Taylor anything more than the money you pay to listen to her music (streaming, physical CD, listening for free on TH-cam with ads, etc.) Buying her other merch is a personal choice that has no baring on how big of a fan you are. I know the feeling you described. I’ve caught myself thinking “no one understands Taylor’s music like I do” but the reality of it is that we’re all going to have our own personal connections to it. None of us were in the room where it happened. It’s fun to get into the lore of her music but it’s not worth having anxiety over. Being a fan is suppose to be fun! For me, I love making Tiktoks and talking about her music with other fans. Just do the things that are fun for you ❤
@@jemimajanvier4706 I've seen that post. It's an ongoing joke about this thing called "Tayvoodoo". The theory is that her concert is a witch ritual where she collects energy from her fans so that she can do her "tayvoodoo" to the people who wronged her. Everyone knows it's a joke but it's still funny because if you haven't heard, Scooter Braun (her former manager that stole the masters of her first 6 albums, hence the reason why she's rerecording them as Taylor's Version) is being dropped by his other clients one by one. Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, Demi Lovato, Idina Menzel, Carly Rae Jepsen, and more are all dropping him. Of course this isn't because of any "tayvoodoo" but something must've happened. Braun must have done something really crazy to the point where all these artists had to drop him. It's clear that these well-known celebrities no longer want to be associated with him, but we don't know why. These things don't just happen to anyone.
Same I love Taylor, but only because my mom likes and also that Panic! At the Disco collab video And not to mention the song “Shake it off” and “LA devotee” go great together But this crazy? Nah
TS getting over boundaries sounds pretty toxic and unhealthy. Narcissists don't have respect for any type of boundaries. TS definitely shows alot of Narcissistic traits.
I've always had an icky feeling about her (especially after hearing how she makes herself seem like a victim to every love interest of hers) I'd actually love to see a video elaborating on this topic as I can see her having narcissistic tendencies (as I've seen many celebrities have them too)
@thedog2970 This video was made for you...😂🤡 You don't when KNOW TS personally and long term to say she's a great person. I like Beyonce as a singer and performer. I'm not going to say ahes a great person just because of that. You're delusional babe.
i really realized something is going awry over in her fanbase when i saw that video of her fans holding up photos they printed out of her deceased grandmother during her performance of a song about her. to me that was genuinely so weird and uncalled for regardless of how it ended up working out. also i am absolutely not defending matty healy, i do not like that man, but the way her fans wrote her a letter asking her to break up with him was so bizarre! like how are you gonna submit a request that a woman you don’t know alters her personal life regardless of how justified it was? like they think they have a say in how she lives and the decisions she makes, it was just off. not to mention that a different type of fan would probably just stop supporting a celebrity if they didn’t agree with their actions, as opposed to trying so hard to reach out to them directly????
i am a huge swifie and i was so disgusted by people holding up those photos. It really just depends what section of the fan base you are in. Most of the twitter swifties were very against it. it seems to be the tiktok ones that are the worst 😭 they’ve been making edits of her eating disorder and it’s very disturbing.
This is bizzare, I agree... But this definitely isn't most of the fanbase. (Most of us are quite normal) I really want to know what those people were thinking when Taylor would do when they requested her to break up with Matty Healy.😂
@@Bls-of1ld Agreed. I am just a couple years younger than Taylor Swift. I can't put my finger on it, but she reminds me of a late 2000s teen/early 20s with the way she acts.
I think she's really good at monetizing this parasocial relationship as well. Probably the clearest example is the multiple versions of one album that are released on a time limit. As in the vinyl changes color and there's different packaging but it's relatively the same album. Since it's only available for 24 hours theres a sense of urgency so you dont miss out. She drops like 4 of those for every album and then target gets special versions and then she dropped cds with like a special song in one concert venue or something. Enough people will buy it all because of the collector mentality. Do that for multiple albums and millions of fans. I think its not great that she does it for re-released albums too cause she already profited off of the cycle once. At this point she could sell anything and people would buy it. She's already got a multi million dollar tour happening so she doesn't need the extra income but does it anyway
I like Taylor Swifts music, but I don't buy anything from her because of exactly this - I would never buy a physical album because I know she's gonna devalue it by re-releasing with more songs the next day, so why bother
It's not her that comes up with all these marketing schemes, she has a whole management team that plans this crap. She's all about it though so she's definitely the one to blame
I’m a recent swiftie and i can see all of this. She is actively creating a feeling of closeness with her fans and through creating a lore for her music (and her career as Well!); she cannot be surprised when she’s causing havoc around her. Also by laying down all hwr feelings in her songs, she created the illusion of absolute honesty which gives her the “can’t do wrong” aura through her relatibility (great example is the Joe Alwyn situation - there was a rumor that one of them cheated; Joe got so much hate while Taylor got a pass from many of her fans, because “If she cheated, she probably didn’t feel loved enough”). It’s wild to me, but I’m also very much aware that ive fallen under the spell of her music as well - the lore around her career and Eras is fascinating to me
Joe Alwyn>>>>>taylor swift He is quite private and nice guy. The little clip of him and her shows how much he loved her. The victimization of taylor that he stopped her being too public and being shiny while she actively accept the abnormal and toxic behaviour of media and she herself chose to be private. Taylor needs nothing much than a therapist rather then jumping from one relationship to another😂 i love how her fans reacted when she started dating matt healy after breakup and if the same would have done by joe Alwyn he would be a cheater. She is clearly narcissistic as a person cause she bully her exes, when she herself chose to be in a relationship with men lot younger than her twice. She dated for PR and travis is the same. I knew in my guts. Her mind runs with the Grammy's.she is just good song writer with bunch of people who are best in the game.
Thank you for making this. I’ve been thinking a lot lately about Taylor Swift’s curated public image. She gives what seems like a lot of personal information and, as you said, encourages fans to believe they’re basically her friends, but ‘Taylor Swift’ is a product. What she chooses to share is carefully selected based on how it’s anticipated that the fans will respond; the Miss Americana special on Netflix is basically Taylor Swift propaganda. I also understand, though, that this kind of propaganda isn’t unique to her, it’s just impressive public relations. I recently had to recognize how much I was buying into the product she’s selling.
I think this boundary crossing is a common marketing gimmick. Teen stars are molded into this friendly gimmick very dramatically. Teen media wants to make teen stars seem available as actual peers (or dates) for their fans. But also the marketing wants the teen idols to be role models. So the teen idols have to be very obliging to their fans. They must be nice to their fan's projections because it is "disrespectful" or "rude" to not pretend they could friends with their fans. The teen idols just have to be happy to be admired. They can't talk about invasions of privacy. They can't have the boundaries they might want. I think Taylor Swift stands out because she continues to be so overly chummy as a marketing device even as a adult.
The people who get invited to secret sessions are carefully picked and it's not just Taylor. A TH-camr named Swiftologist was invited in 2014 and 2017 and he has a video explaining the process: For months, Taylor and her team would look at the fan accounts (who shows their real identity and arent toxic stans) and judge their online behavior so after they've chosen the fans, the Taylornation account will send out messages and warn them about confidentiality (if anyone posts private information, they're OUT) if the fan agrees to the location, they all meet up on a hotel reception room, gets screened, informed about the legalities/rules, and signs a waiver. After that, they will NEVER tell fans the exact address of Taylor and would proceed to pick up fans in buses and would drive them around in circles before entering. People invited are all separated into batches and when they arrive another screening will happen before being allowed allowed to enter the house itself. They're only allowed on some places and would gather around one area to listen to the album. After that, they get meet-and-greets (they're not allowed to take more than one picture) and are sent back to the hotel.
I've recently gone down a rabbit hole with her music because sometimes the world gets way too rough, and I just prefer mindless Top 40 pop. She makes catchy songs, but her fans don't account for the production quality making them so palatable. When you factor in production, it is less an accomplishment for her and more of an accomplishment for Max Martin (who also contributed to the wild success of NSYNC back in the day). Even her fans complained about the 1989 Taylor Version and want Max back for Reputation. They are so close to self-awareness but so far at the same time. When you listen to her lyrics, they are some of the most self-absorbed drivel I've ever heard-not anything worse than other pop stars but definitely not any better. I don't understand how she can write things like "sometimes I feel like everybody is a sexy baby, and I'm a monster on the hill" AND be considered the greatest lyricist of all time. Um what now?
@@bryanna4548 Max Martin has only done a small handful of her songs. She is a producer as well but she does enlist help from other producers. You must've only peeked in the whole instead of actually going down it lol. I'm not a die hard fan and only recently got into her music and even I know that.
I have never understood how Taylor Swift was able to sustain massive levels of fame for, what is it now, 15 years or more. She was interesting as a young country artist, but honestly her transformation to mainstream pop seems so inauthentic. She doesn't have the swagger or charisma to pull it off. But what do I know, in terms of dollars and cents she is on her way to being the most commercially successful musical performer of all time. As an exercise in absurdity imagine a world where David Cassidy of Partridge family fame steadily grew in stature throughout the entirety of the 1970s and then into the 80s and by 1985 is the biggest musical act in the world... sorry Thriller era Michael Jackson. Needless to say I am baffled.
@@RocStarr913 Well said. That last batch of stars that spanned the era of 'shared cultural experience' and the current age of 'fragmented internet rabbit holes' has managed to have enduring fame... and are the kings and queens of the streaming age. Ed Sheeran and Rhianna are examples of this. And Taylor Swift I suppose became the best example of all. Still though as someone on the cusp of turning 50, the whole phenomenon still baffles me.
@@dangrise6182 It helps that she has made her whole image an everywoman that is relatively bland and inoffensive and that she’s made her music “good enough.” She takes no real risks with her image or music, which makes her safe and milquetoast and the furthest thing from transgressive unlike so many in pop music. She’s like a modern Billy Joel in a lot of ways, yet she definitely has made better music than he did.
@@dangrise6182 Billy Joel was not without technical accomplishment. Musically, he’s quite melodic, but he clearly had to emulate far more unique people in music from Paul McCartney to Elton John to Bruce Springsteen to Frank Sinatra to Elvis Costello to even Motown songwriters. The only unique thing about him is he’s a suburbanite from “New Yawk.” He mainly appeals to and flatters lowest common denominator people and his lyrical skills are simplistic, if not mediocre. “Captain Jack,” which I think was his best song and the one that made him signed to a major record label in the first place, pretty much defines the kind of people that represents his core audience.
I love how Doja Cat actively calls this out on herself and her own fans and refuses to exploit the delusion. People are so used to certain celebrities encouraging these things they don't even know how to respond lol
And yet, she is seen as problematic and the narc cult leader swift is seen as an unproblematic queen. Flying her private jet around all year. Our world is upside down
@@CarlyonProductionThat's because Doja Cat is far more problematic than Taylor Swift has ever been. And I say this as someone who isn't really too fond of Taylor Swift's music and especially not her public persona but loves listening to Doja Cat's music. The bad stuff Swift as done is not even remotely as bad as the stuff Doja Cat has done and is still doing.
Are we surprised? This is the same woman who kept standing up during certain celebs performances or speech like Sza or Olivia Rodrigo. Some would say she was "supporting" them, but she ended up diverting attention from them to herself. 🙄
I was a swiftie when I was a teen. And I sent her some fashion sketches back then(inspired by her) cause I idolized her. Recently, I saw that one of them was worn by her in the eras tour and another designer got credit😢 now I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't have done that just cause I was hoping she'd see them and know how much I looked up to her. I'm from Iran and getting a responce from my idol at the time would've been everything to me! But now, I just feel sad about it
I think it’s interesting to see since she is growing out of her young adult “small girl goes to the big city” persona as the recent boyfriend situation shows. I think this time to re-record her catalogue has been crazy on the parasocial side of it. It’s like all the fans are treated for the puzzles and dedication by hearing her pay respect to her past work.
I think she just wanted to own her own music? Cuz Scooter is a shit person. Many music artists are cutting contact with him as well. Many artists have done the same too, re re cord their album to own it cuz it's their art and their money.
I will say as a newer listener to Taylor swift. I never heard of anything like notes and stuff and ive seen many Taylor swift fan accounts posting many things and they never mention anything like sending notes. I think her fan base exploded into such a huge thing its surpased even what she, her teams, and really anyone could have imagined. Im hoping with this new mobing of a wedding Taylor will put up more boundaries but also....i don't know if that will do much. Her fanbase has created people who seem to be in the Olympics to show off their devotion. Swifties dedicate days to listen to her music on repeat to get it on the charts. There is concerning behavior by her fans but again will saying things make it better? Lets look at a smaller fandom like drag race. Season 15 of RuPauls drag race had a queen named Lucy Laduca who got.intk fights with other queens on the season (arguments not fist fights) and despite all parties involved (Mostly) saying "please don't send any hate" people did anyway and they sent a lot! Fanbases are really hard to control. If Taylor full stop posted "hey please don't crash a private event im at xoxo" many of her fans would say in their head "shes not talking about ME though. Just other people ".
idk she's had fans in the past show up in mobs to her home and she's spoken about how it makes her feel like she's being hunted, both in interviews and in song lyrics. I think some folks just won't listen.
She even said don't send hate to John Mayer prior to the Speak Now TV release (not directly, but she definitely meant that)And literally the swifties took it as a a big whole joke and proceeded to spam John's Instagram page with hate and "jokes"....
This person is trying to make the crowd something it isn't. That happens with every big celebrity in america because there are no laws prohibiting it. He lost all credibility with me when he victim blamed her for her stalkers and claimed he wasn't. It's disgusting. Also the videos that I've seen of her listening parties all have been at one of her estates not her personal home. Her personal home is an eclectic colorful home that you can see in her documentary. The listening parties are at an elegant looking home like maybe her beach property in I think it's Rhode Island. Not saying crazy fans don't exist (All fandoms have them despite his claims) but most feel close to her because they see her intelligence and the humanitarian things she does not because they expect friendship.
it's just cruel, narcissistic and greedy that she creates this one-sided self-serving parasocial relationship with young kids where the 'relationship' is entirely centred around worshipping her and financing her life... only a real narcissist would want such a thing
People are forced to have parasocial relationships with someone who has never met because of social and economical status they are living in. When your parents, relatives, friends etc are shitty towards you, and judge you for anything, you'll find shelter in celebs' love affairs, song lyrics and movie quotes. When you are living in a poor neighborhood and cannot step out of your home or buy even a hair clip, you'll find happiness in celebs' wealth and the material things they own.
@@seerpou Respectfully, yes. I came to the conclusion above, and people shouldn't be bashed for living vicariously through others especially those who are richer and more powerful. We have a teenager living in a poor neighborhood with high crime rations and bad parents and friends and having nothing to enrich their life, like learning a language or skill or starting a hobby. What is our hypothetical teenager supposed to do? To live through others they will never meet. Celebrities know that there are poor, depressed, unhappy, ostracized people in the world and promote one sided relationships, like "Are you poor? Can't you buy anything? I'm here to give you hope that you can buy multiple mansions in your country and have a wardrobe full of clothes and shoes".
Hmmm....idk if she's doing it intentionally. I think she likes to make them feel seen. I think she doesn't realize how unhinged and mentally unhealthy alot of those girls are. I think the independent artists do it on way more.....fishing for cheap gifts from fans. ...using them to pump up their self worth....i followed a few independent artists, i was truly disturbed. They use depression and anxiety to hook needy lost teens into the world and also the LGBT community. It's all so whacky.
i really feel like so many of her fans just haven't been exposed to better music. SO much better music is out there but they gravitate toward Taylor Swiftie due to exposure bias. her music gets force fed into everyone's ears whether you choose to listen to her music or not. she is basically the Queen of conformity who makes all the normies feel special.
@@jade.g07 Lana Del Rey, Arctic Monkeys (Album AM), The XX, BANKS, Halsey, and for pop: EMELINE, ANTON, Sabrina Carpenter, Dove Cameron, Dua Lipa, and songs like Babydoll by Ari Abdul and I'm Yours by Isabel LaRosa. Oh I also forgot Carly Rae Japsen that does fantastic pop songs that are upbeat
@@jade.g07 Rina Sawayama (her two first albums, highly recommended), Porter Robinson (I only have heard Nurture, very cheerful and inspiring music imo). If you like relatability, Fiona Apple and Olivia Rodrigo might be for you (give GUTS a try). Maaybe you will like FKA Twigs, she is a very cool and creative artist and her different dancing skills are to die for. There are so many options in music. Tho I think kpop offers so much variety too.
Oscar Wilde said, "Never despise fashion. It's what we have instead of God." Replace "fashion" with "fame", and it rings even more true today. In modern society, celebrity culture has largely replaced traditional religion, and serves a similar function.
I’m a huge Oscar Wilde fan who’s in the Oscar Wilde society and has read all of his works and several biographies…he did not say that lol. Where did you get that from?
❤ Not nearly enough Taylor snark out there, I guess you’re braver than most! I’m so grateful that you covered this, as I avoid most press about her for my sanity and wasn’t aware of some of this context. That wedding footage really freaked me out-it’s gotten SO out of hand. I think what you describe (as well as the tiktok you included) explains so much about the craze. It used to be nbd to not be a Taylor fan, but now I feel like I can’t admit that I don’t get the hype without people acting like I’m expressing a fake opinion just to be a contrarian hater. I WISH I enjoyed her, it would make life much more pleasant in her omnipresence, and I’ll gladly embrace the rare Swift song that I actually enjoy (I think so far there are only 2 haha).
Pop music in general has pissed me off since about 2008. I don't care how that sounds, it's just true. Totally valid to genuinely dislike her music and/or feel weirded out by how much she is idolized. Nothing should be universally liked, that's just creepy.
GOD YES!!! This is so true you can't even express your opinion about her no matter how respectfully you say it without people calling you sexist it whatever Gurl 99% of the music I listen to is by female artists but who are actually putting effort into their music Yes she has some good songs but they act like she is the greatest musical artist that ever lived
As a Taylor Swift fan myself, I think a lot of what you said rings true for the loudest and most vocal part of the fandom. I think one part of the puzzle you missed is how she has weaved pieces of her personal life into her music to the point where people identify which songs/albums are for which ex. I think that plays a big part in building the parasocial relationship especially when you consider the psychological effects of group singing. The way some fans behave at her concerts reminds me of my church-going days. There’s lots of swifties who proclaim that they want to give Taylor privacy wrt her personal life, yet they speculate about who her songs are about. Even the most reasonable people get sucked in and I’m guilty of it myself. It’s nearly impossible to be a casual fan and not get involved with her personal life. I can’t say I have the same relationship with most other artists’ personal lives.
It's not nearly impossible. I listen to artists that weave personal stories into their music all the time. What do I do? Enjoy the music for what it is and that's it. Truth is, people get emotionally invested because we have an epidemic of loneliness in our society and people need a feeling of connection to fill that void. Even if the connection is artificial. What fans feel for Taylor, isn't really about her, but something deeper than that.
@@sandyg4646 It’s actually the same for every fandom of an artist who write songs about their personal life, it’s like examining an art piece and really not that serious
@@lavilacin8579 dude speculating about a an artists dating life that you hear about through the tabloids and try to connect back to her lyrics to see what relationship she's referring to - is NOT the same as examining a piece of art for what it is. Examining art requires that the artist does NOT overshadow their own work
When thousands (in this case, millions) of people follow one person so devotedly, to the point of defending that person that they don't even personally know, all I can think of is "cult".
You are by far my favorite TH-camr. Every time you upload I get soooo excited. Yet I realize you don’t know who I am and don’t NEED to know who I am, so I’m happy with the current relationship of you uploading and me watching. Simple as that. Also sorry if my wording is wrong I’m drunk.
in brazil a girl died in her show because of the poor treatment the fans were receiving inside the stadium and taylor played ignorant for days meanwhile the fans attacked everyone who asked taylor to say something. those fans even donated money to pay for the girl's corpse transport back to her state and weaponized it to shut down other people like "oh you want to attack taylor but i doubt you helped pay for ana's funeral, you are only a hater". all to protect taylors image...
As a Brazilian, that’s in the fault of the company organizing the event, HOWEVER, she should not have ignored it and addressed it as quickly as she could do with professionalism
As a Brazilian girl that love her songs but not at the point of going to a crazy dangerous show like that (the known climate conditions, the violence of the two chosen cities), these episodies had an impact on me. Other two people died because of these shows (a boy stabbed on the beach and other girl outside the stadium), lots of people were harmed because of the conditions. She didn't pronunced about, she only gave invites to Ana's family watch her show and wrote a note to Ana's mother wrote "Eu amo você (I love you"), actions that are no sense, even cruel, fake, everything. To American fans, she sends money only because she read something on social midia ou heard about. To Brazilian that literally died because of her, she even didn't appear on the window of the hotel. Her staff covered their car identifications, as they didn't need to follow our rules, she passed more than one week on Brazil and didn't post anything about our culture on midia. Disgusting. But I still like her songs ...
Honestly I'm still hoping this blows up bc wtf?? A fan dies and no one says anything?? That's other level of privilege and entitlement, how no one says anything about someone dying bc of you
@@LoredanaVillaniAlexandredamn! I didn't know about the other people, that's so sad! And honestly, I keep saying the same thing: this wouldn't happen on other country. It's not bc Brasil is dangerous, but bc she doesn't care about her fans from third world countries. If a fan happened to die on an European concert she would moved the sky and beyond, she would made a concert, a song, something more than just an ig story that would disappear in 24 hours. That's just so cruel and insensitive, and I feel frustrated as a fellow latin American that most of artists don't care about us
You explained this so well. The sad part is when you realize you’ve been In a limerence/parasocial relationship with your idol, it really messes with your mental health😢
Only reason I'm watching this is cause I'm an NFL fan and was wondering why the internet is filled with millions of people (mostly 14-26 y/o white girls) who are obsessed with her.
You don’t get? Dood there are literally knife stabbing over video game disputes. You never heard of the Beatles or Elvis? Really you “don’t get it”? Ridiculous
You think that's creepy? When she was in her mid twenties, she dated a sixteen-year-old (conor kennedy) whose mother committed suicide months earlier - he was young and very vulnerable. She took him to visit his mother's grave - a CHILD. She dated multiple teen boys. There's allegations of gr**ming against her.
? Bro rock stars not too long ago were were taking underaged girls back stage giving them alcohol and drugs and having intercourse with them This is too far this has to stop now! This is nuts
She became a billionaire by capitalizing off of young people’s loneliness and isolation, like they know more about Taylor’s life than real people on their life. In the Eras Tour movie on Disney, in her intro, she gloats “guess who has a sold out show in LA!” And praises herself, and it’s so cringe. Because even bigger stars Michael Jackson, Dolly Parton, etc.. just went out and sang. She feeds off her fans, and her pocketbook now shows that.
@@lordfreerealestate8302 I don't think her parents were billionaires when she was growing up. To be fair, they were not poor, had good jobs and incomes, but they share in her current fortune (and yes, her dad did bankroll BMG), they were not billionaires to begin with.
@@christinakerovecz9018I don’t want to be the one to say it but Taylor swift is no different than any other teenage phenomenon that came before not unlike Elvis or the Beatles
The popularity of cults are caused by many factors, one of which is the parents, relatives, friends etc being closed minded towards others for their lifestyles and tastes. When a teenage girl is judged by her parents for the music she listens, the way she dresses up etc, it's probable that she'll end up joining cults like the Swiftie one.
@@TheSZimmerno one is actually a pagan. Just because mainstream religion is becoming less popular doesn’t mean paganism is in the rise. I seriously doubt even a small fraction of western society still believe in Odin
Honestly, I feel these things happen regardless of how a celebrity treats their fans. Remember Justin Bieber spitting on the crowd? He got followed and harassed too for his whole life since he was discovered regardless of how obnoxiously he was behaving. Every celebrity has stories of people entering in their houses, stalking them, believing they’re married etc. I feel like Taylor swift isn’t so different from all the other famous people at this moment. Granted, there’s critiques to be made about some behaviors, but tbh I really don’t think it’s her that’s causing all this mess, it’s simply the fact that at the moment she’s having and enormous success and she’s extremely visible so more people get involved in her life. And if some people are not mentally equipped to deal with parasocial relationships then they should either take more care of themselves, rely on their support system to touch some grass or their parents should educate them better while they grow. Why do we always have to put blame on a single person when there’s masses of rude and dumb people that should be held accountable just as much?
I don’t agree with everything said in this video, but the Taylor inviting fans to her home thing has always been absolutely insane to me. I don’t think she’s done that since 2018, and I really hope that doesn’t happen again
@@Mel-jl8dt i feel like being invited to someone’s house is very personal, it kind of implies your connection to that person is more intimate and just is a weird thing to do for people who are fans of you and are on some level idolizing your image
I’m a big fan (went to the tour, went to the movie, will probably go one or two more times) and it’s really disturbing to see how Swifties behave. I don’t care about her relationships or life in general because I’m … normal?
Except Homelander is actually likeable. And does something others can't. There's a basis for his narcissism. Taylor is just a mediocre singer....and person.
@@whateverwhatever4026 Homelander isn't a narcissist I believe. It's more so BPD. He's not likeable to me, but more so relatable in the way he reacts to a situation.
@@vlynish It's not necessarily mutually exclusive, and I do think narrassism plays a part. But we can agree to disagree that he's likeable. Same for Soilderboy. The writers wanted them to be hated and unrelatable but they're bad at their jobs.
@@vlynish First the comics are nothing like the show. For a long list of reasons. But more importantly, the writers outright wanted us to hate the "bad guys", but they're so lost in their own political ideals, they accidentally made them fan favorites. It's definitely an accident. There is no doubt there. They wanted us to be mad at Soilderboy for saying gross off collar stuff, but we ended up just thinking he's funny. It's a political divide problem. Most of the Boys being popular at all, is an accident, and at the detriment of the people making it.
100% Agree. I became a fan when i was 13. This fanaticism is a symptom of this generation not having a good offline life. We will have solved this problem only when the lives of these fans, including myself, have offline lives as good as the parasocial that we're fed in the media.
I absolutely LOVEEEEEEEEEEE this breakdown. Love it, love it, love it. Instead of many people dealing with their own reality they use her as an escape. That's the problem. They are living vicariously through her. Look how many lost souls there are. How many hurt people there are ect. She makes people feel seen. She gives them purpose. When they should see themselves as their own heroes of their own story. Not always reading somebody's else's book, but writing thier own chapters. Oh well. They will live and learn.
I went through a phase of loving TS back in 2022, but now it's pretty clear to me that everything she does, all of her music definitely has an element of promoting a cult. Her music is good...there's no doubt about it. But there are so many artists out there with the same talent for music and songwriting hidden under the shadows. Why her?? Also I'm sorry to say this but I think she is an industry plant...not an obvious one...but definitely one. Again I'm not discrediting her hard work, but there is no way one can explain SO much of success of 1 artist through these years. If not an industry plant she definitely works in close ties with them.
I don’t understand why their behavior is excused. there have been several other creators or musicians who have had crowds of people show up where they are and the media freaks out on them but when it comes to Taylor Swift fans, they’re just a bunch of excited girls. Not to forgetting how they behave online.
Outside of her music Taylor Swift is staying relevant in a very effective yet unhealthy manner at the severe cost of her fans mental health exasperating this parasocial relationship.
Taylor doesn't seem to know that public affection is very fragile. I fear that, in light of recent events, 2016 will happen again and this time the Reputation phenomenon will not happen again. She's at the top of her game and that doesn't seem to be enough, her minion army will mature one day and they'll move on from her.
When you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, chances are that you get big. Swift has wealthy parents and right PR people and so on behind her.
It’s because we live in an age being bland and inoffensive and conservative is actually considered a strength given the music industry that exists today with so many flashes in the pan.
@@RocStarr913 All music is bland and inoffensive with some stereotypes (e.g. heavy metal consisting of lyrics screamed to a heavy instrumental by guys and girls wearing all black with a shit ton of accessories), and Swift (and people like the Kardashians) is too big to be called a flash in the pan.
@@Ms-K-w2x I mean she has much more staying power than many others currently. She still relatively sounds the same. She hasn’t really changed all that much. She still sounds as juvenile as she did when she started.
@@RocStarr913Like all businesses, media and entertainment work on supply and demand, and the majority of the world is mentally juvenile, and she knows what her audience is like.
I listen to Taylor Swift yes she has some good music, but im not obsessed. I completely forget about her sometimes but now you cant forget about her because her fans are too rabid
I just found your channel, it seems like YT will not give all kind of results because it has a "target algorithm " that sucks What I'm trying to say is, content like this is almost hidden but should of been suggested. You're a damn intelligent man my friend. Subscribed
I actively avoid most Taylor Swift fans. In real life and online nearly all of my interactions with them have been ridiculous, annoying and disturbing. It sucks to share space with anyone who gets as worked up over parasocial relationships as they do. Even if I thought her music was good, I wouldn't engage in the fandom.
it sucks that you had that experience! i got friendship bracelets mailed to me by taylor swift fans just last week. i hope you can avoid generalizing simply because the people who stick out to non-fans are the worst examples of the rest of the group. you don’t have to like her music or even think she’s pretty or cool. but i think it’s a good idea to just make peace with the fact that millions of people enjoy her and her music respectfully, and it’s just as simple as that :)
As a swiftie, i think shes very calculated and maybe she at first wanted to interact w some cuz she thought it was fun or for just like publicity or just to do something nice in the case of her surprising her young fans. However, her constant fostering of this parasocial relationship may be a personal branding thing as despite her fame shes seen as the girl next door friend type. Rather than superstar compared to other stars of her calibre. She thinks she can handle her fans however, it has been proven time and time again isnt the case, and i think she shld cease enabling borderline delusional tiers of parasocial relationships w her fans even if it makes her legit happy which i think it does seen ger reactions to fans' at concerts. For her own safety. People who keep defending her every move are insane however, she did do problematic things and have to be held accountable for them because of her huge influence. Like her copying a design of a cardigan for her merch from a small brand and her matty healy situation for eg. I think she genuinely like the connection and the joy she brings to people but she needs to stop feeding into her fans' parasocial relationship w her since its gotten so extreme especially given her brand of im just a friend and how relatable her lyrics r its easy to get swept away by the intense one sided relationships fans crafted with her.
Watched your clip after seeing the backlash the swifties are attempting to throw at PapaMeat in response to his latest animated clip about Taylor breakup. Some of Taylor’s fans are just hysterical 😂
Robert you are spitting straight facts great video. As a rap fan there are some diehard, hardcore fanbases out there, namely Lil Uzi Vert, Playboi Carti and the greater “opium” scene. These artists still draw very strict boundaries with what fans know and don’t know, usually only giving fans music and little to no detail on their personal lives.
I’m a fan of her music, but I don’t like the fandom. You can’t say anything negative without them trying to rip your neck out. I’ve got a good bit of critiques about Taylor, and the amount of absolute vitriol I’ve received for this is astounding.
Elvis was that big and we know from the famous, "Elvis has left the building." Elvis also had bodyguards while serving in the military. Adult Micheal Jackson managed to convince parents to have their little kids stay with him unsupervised.
Nothing new here. Kids threw themselves at Frank Sinatra in the 40s, Elvis created near insanity at times, Kids used to faint and some got trampled when Beatles and Rolling Stones arrived in 1965-1966. They both paid staffs to answer fan letters for them and kids thought Paul McCarthy or Mick Jagger were writing to them. Then Roadies. Kids that followed bands from town to town happened for years Some sex parties with underage kids Certainly happened by rockers and hair bands. Sex ,drugs and rock and roll The Micheal Jackson craze was over the top and pretty nuts. Crowd control Kids visiting his home? , Boy Bands, Spice Girls . One Direction, BTS I actually think Taylor and Beyonce have been very responsible and kind to their fans Taylor stopped the fan visits as she’s grown up. She has friends that are real and I as a senior love her music and her influence on young people. Nothing evil here. 60,000 peaceful happy people singing and exchanging friendship bracelets sounds great to me. Queen concerts were like that full of love Sad world. We all need some joy.
I don't think people are noticing enough how much the same stuff that you're calling out Taylor Swift for right now has been used by countless other celebrities to get people in inappropriate situations. I'm not saying that Taylor Swift specifically is grooming or targeting her fans away that Colleen ballinger did, but as someone who spent my own teams and an inappropriate social media relationship with a singer I admired and listen to I can't help but notice that she's doing the exact same things that my groomer and trafficker did to me, and the same things that Colleen ballinger did to an extent. Drake Bell is another example of a celebrity who gets way too close their fans and then it comes out later that it was because he was trying to get inappropriate services from his fans.... Even if she is doing it for engagement and loyalty rather than sexual favors, it's still fucked up.
This is out of pocket. You can do to Taylor Swift’s own TH-cam channel and see for yourself. There is absolutely no comparison to what Colleen Ballinger and Drake Bell did.
@@Gingerm0nsterbro it’s still fucked up. How is feeding into peoples unhealthy obsession and encouraging it ok ? That’s compromising to peoples mental health ! I’ve seen plenty of people in this comment section sharing how they know they have unhealthy parasocial relationship w a celebrity and it borders obsession but they don’t know how to stop! Like these people need therapy!! What she’s doing is harming people and she doesn’t need to be a groomer or SA anyone to do that !
I’m a BTS fan and all I see are patterns. Unfortunately same ones I observe all the time. And I’m not an exclusion, as a lonely person with a coping mechanism aka parasocial relationships. Wish there would be something to get me out of this. P.S: Have a nice day, everyone! Thank you for the video 🤝
Hi, fellow Bts fan. I feel same. So fed up with all this shit. We as their fans have so unhealthy and codependent relationship, esp between Armys and Jk that it's not cute anymore
@@oleksandrapoliakova7495 agreed jk has been a little too much these past few months idk flirting or calling armies his girlfriend has got to give armies some kind of ego and is even feeding them exactly what they fantasize about.
@@reeshayyy5967since the rest of the members are preparing to go for their military service, i think things will calm down… i mean it usually does for other groups
Oh okay, so Taylor Swift is instigating this fan base behavior. That makes sense, I don't listen to her, I don't follow her, but once I found out about this intensity, I got super curious as to why.. from psychological perspective. There are way better artists, and none of the fans act "like that."
Thank you so much for your time making this video, Robert. I have always been concerned about her fan base as well, because it feels as though she is aware of the relationships and crazed behavior she is cultivating, but she enjoys the attention… I worry for her safety, others, and everyone who is obsessed with her, mental health. God bless you, thank you. Stay safe out there, y’all. Music is powerful, we need to be very picky about what we listen to, especially when we are in a vulnerable place.
I think Taylor Swift is the most over rated average artist out there..i dont think her voice is anything special the buskers in my home city have better vocals than her, i think her lyrics and song writing skills are for disney or under 13s..i have never ever connected with one of her songs..i was scratching my head for years wondering why she is so successful..but then i learned that her father is a millionaire
she is not just a narcissist, that's just an entry point in stardom. she has covert narcissistic disorder for sure. meaning-she does the break-up thing for fun. she can't handle vulnerability and lows. she always has to be on gas peddle and high in dopamine and adrenalinergic love. she loves intensity, any drop in that and she is turned off and the break up happens. this is because the turning on-ness has made her a lot of money, and got her somewhere. she is deeply attached to people who have hurt her or took her to intense experiences. she hates the narcs who did it to her, yet still craves for toxicity, and she toys with empathetic men because she can't bear the idgaf attitude they have and the peace they have with themselves(money doesn't matter). her songs are always hate songs for some other human being who either was less powerful than her or maybe an asshole to her. she can't let go. and the modern day swifties allign themselves with such toxic state of fuckedupness in their lives.
Very well put. The saddest part is that many of her naive fans would just replicate the same actions as her blindly. They keep chasing the toxicity and her songs validate that behavior. In their heads, the relationship should be high on dopamine and always on the edge. Calm and stable relationships seem boring to them. So, they choose toxicity over stability and hurt others and themselves in the process. But them getting hurt is all that matters to them and not the hurt they caused. They aren't willing to take the accountability for the hurt they would have caused to empathetic men, just like their idol.
@@San_Deep2501 i have been in the opposite side of the same situation. Overtime, I have seen themselves rip themselves off in later life. I know a girl, who has all the charm, but no one would want to marry her. And I feel sad, that she was my childhood sweet heart. I hope she finds peace and stability.
You always choose such interesting topics and condense the information so well. A lot of video essays just go on and on, but I appreciate how you cut to the important parts. You can tell the script of these videos are, indeed, essays that went through proper proofreading.
Hey, massive Taylor fan here. I just wanna say that I’m happy to see videos like this one. It genuinely gets so boring when it’s all just praise upon praise and it’s nice to see some of the less common opinions spoken out about. Thank you for this.
Beyonce and taylor swift are the only western artists who have a fandom that behaves similary to kpop fandoms. Having spent years in both its very very similar
With Beyonce, she doesn't even acknowledge her fans' existence. They just worship her 😂. I can only imagine the horror if she did 0.001% of what Taylor does with her fans
@l-kin3480 it's better this way. People don't misunderstand the relationship. People worship her for her craft, talent, and creativity NOT bc they think she is the BFF.
Kpop does this as well and it creates literal stalkers that follow their every move and fans get SO genuinely hurt when the K-pop artists (male or female) date or do anything they don’t agree with.
@NotVille_there’s no video troll lmao
The comparison is wrong.
Asian idol industry is a whole other category. Always was and always will be.
Also: stalkers are not more likely produced this way. At least there is no proof for that. Every person can get a stalker. It‘s not the persons fault. Sometimes even a little chat with your work colleague is enough
So many kpop stans think idols belong to them
@@and.me_7390 they literally do boyfriend simulated videos for fans lol and tons of fan service. I’m not blaming the idols themselves bc at the end of the day a lot of them are just doing what they’re asked to do by their companies. Back in the day they’d even accept extravagant gifts from fansites, who then feel like they have a right towards knowing every single detail about these idols. So yes, a lot of what the K-pop industry does breeds stalkers and extreme parasocial relationships between idols and fans. If an idol falls out of line at all with what fans think they deserve from them (time, content, transparency) they send literal Jumbotrons demanding companies fire said idols lol they literally call for their careers to be destroyed. That’s how much control they feel they have over these performers. It’s actually probably worse than what Taylor has done, actually
I don't think it's the artists themselves doing this so much as it is their managing companies (I forget what they're called) because they prioritize profits over their own employees.
if you are ever in a place where you are arguing with strangers on behalf of your favourite celeb, you need to put the phone down.
also championing so hard for a millionaire is crazy
Depends on context, for example what happened with kesha
Depends. I'm an Eminem fan and dissing is part of hip-hop culture. So the arguing is more for fun and not serious arguments, at least for many hip-hop fans
Frl like you're not her grandma, it's okay 😅
@@DeesStoryVaultwell that’s different
Taylor brought my cousin in her tour bus after a concert once. To this day her mom and her are trying so hard to get Taylor to remember them because they think they are old friends.
That’s kind of scary
This is just creepy.
That's insane.
they fell for the manipulation
I think this is just sad
And the fact that she revels in it and never tries to push back on their blatant ridiculousness is kind of gross. She loves this. She loves the power. I am sure she loves her fans, but in recent years it's been more about milking them for every dollar they have because the hundreds of millions she has isn't enough.
I know. Who pays $1000 to see her. Especially during these times. Just unbelievable
She sued a fan for making duped merch on her Etsy.She doesnt care about her fans at all.
She's a loving person
@@kyleday5026 Okay, kyle.
how can she love millions of faceless individuals shes never met? these are just dollars for her. they think she loves them back but she dgaf about them actually
The Swiftie fan base honestly disturbs me sometimes. I like some of her music but I wouldn’t call myself a Stan so I’ve only interacted with them online, but even then, the level of obsession I’ve seen is concerning.
@TheRevengeOfVille nobody cares about your dead dog video
Right, i saw a girl CRYING BALLING over a taylor swift CARDIGAN. I've been a fangirl not of her but of others, and it just occurred to me why am I idolizing another human being? It's disturbing once you snap of the spell
You know what we'd turn the world upside down if she orders us so stfu
I am a Taylor fan also,but I will NOT say I'm a swiftie,bc they are INSANE!!!😮
@@Violetarose795 they even call her a queen and worshipped her like she's a God
since around 8 years old, i was a huge taylor swift fan. in my early teens, i had a tumblr dedicated to her, where i made friends with other fans. one of my friends was 'befriended' by taylor, and convinced taylor to also follow me (and others) on tumblr. she reblogged a few of my posts. later, at a concert, my friend was invited to meet taylor but a bunch of us werent, and it caused many issues. that friend grew a huge, inflated ego, and considered herself much better than us because she 'won' the affection of taylor. as for me, i grew sour about the fact that i was rejected by that online friend, and seemingly rejected by taylor despite my efforts to be friendly with her. i was only 13 or 14. looking back, it was incredibly unhealthy and a very competitive environment. even though now as an adult, i can look back and realise that this attitude of taylors was very weird and almost grooming, but the way that it affected me at such a young age lives with me to this day.
Wow, this is heartbreaking to read, I can't imagine what it would be like for me to be in your shoes, but I know even a small amount of how this feels. The desperation for validation from your idol and then the soul crushing rejection when they ignore you. Seeing this makes me so glad Beyonce is as inaccessible as she is because this sounds like a nightmare. I really appreciate you sharing this because you quite literally have first-hand expereience.
I’m sorry but I don’t see how this is grooming, she can’t possibly meet all of her fans. Your friend was definitely on the wrong here
"Very weird and almost grooming" might be right. That's one step away from coleen ballinger.
I wanna speculate if she had a missing childhood moment kinda like michael jackson. But no, she has plenty of friends already
@@andyayala3402 they meant swift's behavior approaching op's friend and favoring her eventho she's just a regular fan
Now this is FUCKING crazy. I remember these days. You cannot be victimizing yourself here dude. Grooming someone is a VERY serious allegation. The tumblr era of taylor was when she HERSELF was a teenager-young adult. Please check me if I'm wrong. She didn't have many friends when she was young which is why she decided to look for some in fans.
She didn't reject you or choose you, that was all literally in your head. She was literally a teenager too. The fact that you brought up "grooming" and threw that word around so lightly, shows how reliable you as a person are.
praying for you when the swifties see this
God help him
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
oh god have mercy robert
He’s so brave for this
Girl, I expect him to be doxxed before the sun come up tomorrow. 😢
Idolizing another HUMAN BEING should not be normalized.
It depends on the extent to be completely honest.
@@2guys1cliplol Context is what's important here not extant, idolizing your parents is one thing idolizing a celebrity that is stranger to you is very not okay. Parasocial media has people confused thinking that being a fan of someone means you need to be obsessed with knowing their every move and constantly shower them with praise, it's gross.
And she’s overrated.
I’m more in awe of the natural world. Humans not so much.
@@2guys1cliplol no u had to have the mind of a toddler, I’m 25 I have never idolized anybody after the age of 14.
I hate that you cant just be a casual fan anymore. You look at her fans online or go to her shows, all you see are these obsessed fans. Or if you tell someone you enjoy her music, people may roll their eyes and assume you agree with her every action. Her music really helped me a lot growing up and I enjoy what she creates now, but why does it have to be anything more than that?
Because some of these fans just have no lives.
How has she helped you
I’m the exact same way. I like her music a lot, but I don’t know her as a person, and from what I see, I find her to be slightly annoying, actually. The amount of times I’ve been called a fake fan because I’m not groveling at her feet is incredible. Yes, I went to the eras tour. No, I wasn’t screaming my lungs out and losing my mind. I sang along and had a good time. Yes, I have all her albums on cd. No, I’m not collecting every variant of Midnights or TTPD. Her fanatics are very weird and narrow minded.
@@lucasdiazjr5679 It's basic psychology. Watching anime and reading manga helps me.
@@jsjadhdnsxodjwfdjdbvg Taylor has helped no one that is a bs lie from an obsessive fan. That lady is pure ego and drama
Not so hot take: >99% of her online interactions are made by a social media team, not just because of the sheer volume but for strategic consistency
But she seems to have so much control over everything else. Didn’t she re recorded her entire catalog so that she could sell it or whatever? you’re telling me she doesn’t have control over her tweets if she wants?
@@LittleYokium what?
Taylor did not re record her albums to sell it... She is rerecording to own it... Because she does not own her first 6 albums.
@@Fucorii right and when you own something what can you do with it? What do you do when you have a product that you own? What would you do with that product?
I would also like you to explain to me how a person might obtain an album or go to a concert. what do you have to have in order to go to a concert or own an album that somebody else created? What would you give them for those things?
@@LittleYoki what?
Owning your art is really important. Because when another person owns your art that you worked for, they can use it and make much more money than the artist that made it. Ofc, Taylor have always been wanting credit and money... She is owning it to get her fair share of money (or just more money) that she worked hard for....
She wants to get more money (for her work), as she should...
@@LittleYoki girl I think I took your "sell it" quite literally 💀 I think what you're trying to say is she's rerecording to get more money?
This is exactly how the idol system works in Asia, shes fully leaning into that same mechanism but for a western audience
It’s how celebrity culture works globally
Its gonna be fucking expensive hold her hand for a minute
@@thomasgrabkowski8283Doja Cat would disagree
They learned it from ARMY. Just saying…
Exactly. Ppl only hate Taylor bcuz she’s a super successful woman
People seriously need to be reminded that we’ll never be close friends with these celebrities in our lifetimes.
yeah I'm very aware of that and it doesn't make me any less of a fan
You mean these ladies
Most likely not, but something surprising could happen! It's not entirely impossible!
(I'm saying this as someone who doesn't really care about any celebrities.)
I will be concious in loving usa citizen
They wouldn't be because The celebrity is instigating this behavior and prompts these delusions... they wouldn't listen to you
The things about Taylor Swift inviting a group of fans into her mansion is also a marketing genius because the fans she picked are also very active on social media and build fans sites for her. They aren't just any fans but super fans as well. And it encourages the super Fandom to go crazy for her and promote her like crazy.
She is also not inexperience in her tactics. She always tries to portray herself as relatable but she is beyond relatable even as a child. A lot of her persona is mostly fabricated over the years. Her childhood upbringing also doesn't line up with many stories she tells her fans. Like she said she wasn't popular and was bullied. Well in a old teenage Vogue interview she said she was actually pretty popular and was part of a popular girl group in Junior high.
She was also the most popular girl in her high school because she was already famous and had fans in school as well.
Also her mom was marketing expert who used to work for an advertisement firm. Taylor's mom pretty much wanted Taylor to be famous since she was little and used to manage all her social media pages and websites. Even til today her mom makes decision on who gets to be near Taylor including fans and security guards.
Her mom is even greeting fans during the shows... this is absolutely crazy... She's Taylor S. Mk ultra handler
It makes no sense for her not to be popular when she had all the markings: pretty, skinny, blonde - white - girl who wears designer bags and drives an expensive car. Not to mention she got to model for Abercrombie. I don't believe in her "i wasn't popular or cool" tale once I saw her teen photos and realized....
@@LovelyLittleLillies I've read somewhere that she's from one of the richest families in the USA...
An email leaked shows us that her dad and mother are toxic narcissists. They both think they’re are above most people and do Taylor likely is an version of them. Taylor being a narcissist is not new news. People are catching on as they have Selena Gomez. And yes Taylor was on magazine in her youth and said she was popular because of her fame and because of her dad.
Her dad is extremely wealthy and her upbringing has been wealthy and privileged. Her dad had connections and he forced everyone to put Taylor on top via money.
This cannot be said enough. I like Taylor Swift and love her music but her backstory is very fabricated and outright wrong. The story she sells of growing up on a Christmas tree farm, with kitchen table bills paints a different narrative than the wealthy girl from Pennsylvania whose stock broker father at Merrill Lynch bought her a whole record label so his little girl could become famous and break into country music bc it was an easy pigeonhole, a wide audience at the time and she looks-wise she fit the Carrie Underwood look at the time, like all country singers of the mid 2000s.
All respect to her, she carried this past decade and earned all the stripes she has based off sheer talent and hard work. Just pointing out the facts. It's financially beneficial to appeal to everyone if you say you started off just like everyone else but in fact, she started off way ahead. 🤷♀️
Taylor and her fans are like a giant, parasocial codependent relationship. She needs their constant validation and praise, and they need to believe that she needs them. It's like a corrupt queen and her giant, blindly loyal army.
Yeah, blind because almost none of them have actually met her LMFAO
Spot on
this video needs to be seen by a whole lot more people and not just swifties, this makes me think of a lot kpop fans as well
all FANS are FANATICS...
@@christiand8243 as a huge beatles fan, hell, you can say Stan, I would never go to the levels of swifties or kpop fans (I get the beatles is a dead group but I would not be toxic to people who disagree with my favorite band or with problematic things they do.)
@@GirlWithABigHeart69 As a huge fan of the Beatles, can you tell me the link between them and the Tavistock Institute?
@GirlWithABigHeart69 Beatles fans back in the day were probably that crazy tho. Some literally call Taylor’s current popularity “Swiftmania” after “Beatlemania.
I enjoy her music very much but I completely agree.
Even in her latest tour, The Eras Tour, she said: ”If you see me staring at you, it's just because I'm actively trying to memorise your faces”, something I think is very questionable.
What that even mean
@@prans_bas She's (supposedly) attempting to memorize her fans faces everytime she glances in their direction.
Look up the word eras
What's so weird about trying to memorize what ppl look like?💀
@@SwiftlyGaybecause she’s creating the illusion that she’s bonding with individual fans. It’s fine to do in your head but a weird thing to say out loud to people who practically idolize you, there’s an imbalance there.
Honestly as a swiftie i genuinely feel like i am under a spell, even though im highly aware of my parasocial tendancies. Like i cant stop thinking or talking about her and I feel like I know her better than non-swifties do even though I'm well aware she doesnt know I exist and never will. Her relationship with her fans has become so exploitative, especially in recent years, and it makes me feel conflicted about how positively I feel about her.
Thanks for sharing that. I applaud you for being so honest about this
It’s funny you say that, I’m not really a listener of her music but I’ve heard some people say that she promotes witchcraft in her newer songs…
Swiftie to Swiftie, just stay focused on the music. You don’t owe Taylor anything more than the money you pay to listen to her music (streaming, physical CD, listening for free on TH-cam with ads, etc.) Buying her other merch is a personal choice that has no baring on how big of a fan you are.
I know the feeling you described. I’ve caught myself thinking “no one understands Taylor’s music like I do” but the reality of it is that we’re all going to have our own personal connections to it. None of us were in the room where it happened. It’s fun to get into the lore of her music but it’s not worth having anxiety over. Being a fan is suppose to be fun! For me, I love making Tiktoks and talking about her music with other fans. Just do the things that are fun for you ❤
@@jemimajanvier4706 I've seen that post. It's an ongoing joke about this thing called "Tayvoodoo". The theory is that her concert is a witch ritual where she collects energy from her fans so that she can do her "tayvoodoo" to the people who wronged her.
Everyone knows it's a joke but it's still funny because if you haven't heard, Scooter Braun (her former manager that stole the masters of her first 6 albums, hence the reason why she's rerecording them as Taylor's Version) is being dropped by his other clients one by one. Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, Demi Lovato, Idina Menzel, Carly Rae Jepsen, and more are all dropping him.
Of course this isn't because of any "tayvoodoo" but something must've happened. Braun must have done something really crazy to the point where all these artists had to drop him. It's clear that these well-known celebrities no longer want to be associated with him, but we don't know why. These things don't just happen to anyone.
@@jemimajanvier4706dont be stupid 🙄 witchcraft, really??? Lets use critical thinking here, please.
yeah it’s scary how hardcore some of her fans are
Same
I love Taylor, but only because my mom likes and also that Panic! At the Disco collab video
And not to mention the song “Shake it off” and “LA devotee” go great together
But this crazy? Nah
as filthy frank would say: weeaboos no cap
TS getting over boundaries sounds pretty toxic and unhealthy. Narcissists don't have respect for any type of boundaries. TS definitely shows alot of Narcissistic traits.
I've always had an icky feeling about her (especially after hearing how she makes herself seem like a victim to every love interest of hers)
I'd actually love to see a video elaborating on this topic as I can see her having narcissistic tendencies (as I've seen many celebrities have them too)
She is not a narcissist what the actual f###. I mean if you mean only little "traits" of narcissist I agree but she is a great person.
@thedog2970 This video was made for you...😂🤡
You don't when KNOW TS personally and long term to say she's a great person. I like Beyonce as a singer and performer. I'm not going to say ahes a great person just because of that.
You're delusional babe.
@@alrightlovessame!
@@Christina..22121how would you know anyway? We have the right to express our own views.
i really realized something is going awry over in her fanbase when i saw that video of her fans holding up photos they printed out of her deceased grandmother during her performance of a song about her. to me that was genuinely so weird and uncalled for regardless of how it ended up working out. also i am absolutely not defending matty healy, i do not like that man, but the way her fans wrote her a letter asking her to break up with him was so bizarre! like how are you gonna submit a request that a woman you don’t know alters her personal life regardless of how justified it was? like they think they have a say in how she lives and the decisions she makes, it was just off. not to mention that a different type of fan would probably just stop supporting a celebrity if they didn’t agree with their actions, as opposed to trying so hard to reach out to them directly????
i am a huge swifie and i was so disgusted by people
holding up those photos. It really just depends what section of the fan base you are in. Most of the twitter swifties were very against it. it seems to be the tiktok ones that are the worst 😭 they’ve been making edits of her eating disorder and it’s very disturbing.
@heavenh6352 I'm actually a HUGE SWIFTIE too, and I was scared just reading this... Why on earth would those swifties do that?😥
This is bizzare, I agree... But this definitely isn't most of the fanbase. (Most of us are quite normal) I really want to know what those people were thinking when Taylor would do when they requested her to break up with Matty Healy.😂
She enables this behavior ...it's time she acts her age
@@Bls-of1ld Agreed. I am just a couple years younger than Taylor Swift. I can't put my finger on it, but she reminds me of a late 2000s teen/early 20s with the way she acts.
As a swiftie, there’s levels of truth to this. She even hinted it in Anti-Hero & The Archer.
Also Mastermind
I think she's really good at monetizing this parasocial relationship as well. Probably the clearest example is the multiple versions of one album that are released on a time limit. As in the vinyl changes color and there's different packaging but it's relatively the same album. Since it's only available for 24 hours theres a sense of urgency so you dont miss out. She drops like 4 of those for every album and then target gets special versions and then she dropped cds with like a special song in one concert venue or something. Enough people will buy it all because of the collector mentality. Do that for multiple albums and millions of fans. I think its not great that she does it for re-released albums too cause she already profited off of the cycle once. At this point she could sell anything and people would buy it. She's already got a multi million dollar tour happening so she doesn't need the extra income but does it anyway
I like Taylor Swifts music, but I don't buy anything from her because of exactly this - I would never buy a physical album because I know she's gonna devalue it by re-releasing with more songs the next day, so why bother
Her whole career unfortunately is made out of Greed concerning btw
taylor swiftie doesn't need or deserve the working class's money
It's not her that comes up with all these marketing schemes, she has a whole management team that plans this crap. She's all about it though so she's definitely the one to blame
@@shable1436she’s the head of her marketing company
I’m a recent swiftie and i can see all of this. She is actively creating a feeling of closeness with her fans and through creating a lore for her music (and her career as Well!); she cannot be surprised when she’s causing havoc around her. Also by laying down all hwr feelings in her songs, she created the illusion of absolute honesty which gives her the “can’t do wrong” aura through her relatibility (great example is the Joe Alwyn situation - there was a rumor that one of them cheated; Joe got so much hate while Taylor got a pass from many of her fans, because “If she cheated, she probably didn’t feel loved enough”). It’s wild to me, but I’m also very much aware that ive fallen under the spell of her music as well - the lore around her career and Eras is fascinating to me
Joe Alwyn>>>>>taylor swift
He is quite private and nice guy. The little clip of him and her shows how much he loved her. The victimization of taylor that he stopped her being too public and being shiny while she actively accept the abnormal and toxic behaviour of media and she herself chose to be private. Taylor needs nothing much than a therapist rather then jumping from one relationship to another😂 i love how her fans reacted when she started dating matt healy after breakup and if the same would have done by joe Alwyn he would be a cheater. She is clearly narcissistic as a person cause she bully her exes, when she herself chose to be in a relationship with men lot younger than her twice. She dated for PR and travis is the same. I knew in my guts. Her mind runs with the Grammy's.she is just good song writer with bunch of people who are best in the game.
@@jahnvi796 lol the heirloom turkey has no place here
@@KateCat420 nice, private,not fame sucker and Loving man is bad why?
That “can’t do wrong aura” description is SPOT ON!
Spell is the key word
I’ll keep you in my prayers bro. You didn’t have to make this video, but you did and it was very brave of you
@@danielapardo9776 i think he was clearly joking
@@danielapardo9776how can you not throw up at your inability to understand sarcasm?
What's gonna happen nothing shttfkup
Thank you for making this. I’ve been thinking a lot lately about Taylor Swift’s curated public image. She gives what seems like a lot of personal information and, as you said, encourages fans to believe they’re basically her friends, but ‘Taylor Swift’ is a product. What she chooses to share is carefully selected based on how it’s anticipated that the fans will respond; the Miss Americana special on Netflix is basically Taylor Swift propaganda. I also understand, though, that this kind of propaganda isn’t unique to her, it’s just impressive public relations. I recently had to recognize how much I was buying into the product she’s selling.
I think this boundary crossing is a common marketing gimmick. Teen stars are molded into this friendly gimmick very dramatically.
Teen media wants to make teen stars seem available as actual peers (or dates) for their fans. But also the marketing wants the teen idols to be role models. So the teen idols have to be very obliging to their fans. They must be nice to their fan's projections because it is "disrespectful" or "rude" to not pretend they could friends with their fans. The teen idols just have to be happy to be admired. They can't talk about invasions of privacy. They can't have the boundaries they might want.
I think Taylor Swift stands out because she continues to be so overly chummy as a marketing device even as a adult.
Agreed, I wonder, would she still use these gimmicks when she’s 40? This stuff doesn’t age well
The people who get invited to secret sessions are carefully picked and it's not just Taylor. A TH-camr named Swiftologist was invited in 2014 and 2017 and he has a video explaining the process:
For months, Taylor and her team would look at the fan accounts (who shows their real identity and arent toxic stans) and judge their online behavior so after they've chosen the fans, the Taylornation account will send out messages and warn them about confidentiality (if anyone posts private information, they're OUT)
if the fan agrees to the location, they all meet up on a hotel reception room, gets screened, informed about the legalities/rules, and signs a waiver.
After that, they will NEVER tell fans the exact address of Taylor and would proceed to pick up fans in buses and would drive them around in circles before entering.
People invited are all separated into batches and when they arrive another screening will happen before being allowed allowed to enter the house itself.
They're only allowed on some places and would gather around one area to listen to the album. After that, they get meet-and-greets (they're not allowed to take more than one picture) and are sent back to the hotel.
That only makes these characterizations more grave.
It's so weird to do this at her own personal house though. Why not a rental property or an Air BnB?
The experience sounds very distant and impersonal.
That is so weird…
That's weird af, I get taking precautions with people, but don't be herding them around like cattle.
its not weird.
I ve never understood the phenomenom of Taylor Swift. Musically she is far from being genius she s presented to be. I think now I get it.
I've recently gone down a rabbit hole with her music because sometimes the world gets way too rough, and I just prefer mindless Top 40 pop. She makes catchy songs, but her fans don't account for the production quality making them so palatable. When you factor in production, it is less an accomplishment for her and more of an accomplishment for Max Martin (who also contributed to the wild success of NSYNC back in the day). Even her fans complained about the 1989 Taylor Version and want Max back for Reputation. They are so close to self-awareness but so far at the same time.
When you listen to her lyrics, they are some of the most self-absorbed drivel I've ever heard-not anything worse than other pop stars but definitely not any better. I don't understand how she can write things like "sometimes I feel like everybody is a sexy baby, and I'm a monster on the hill" AND be considered the greatest lyricist of all time. Um what now?
Tell that to Harvard University. They literally have a class teaching the poetry of her music.
@@bryanna4548 Max Martin has only done a small handful of her songs. She is a producer as well but she does enlist help from other producers. You must've only peeked in the whole instead of actually going down it lol. I'm not a die hard fan and only recently got into her music and even I know that.
@@stephmcm456 Which means nothing. Oxford invited ASAP Rocky to be an intellectual speaker. Really, now? ASAP? 🙄
@@stephmcm456The world is going down in terms of intelligence, that's why everybody wants to lick Swift's boot soles.
I have never understood how Taylor Swift was able to sustain massive levels of fame for, what is it now, 15 years or more. She was interesting as a young country artist, but honestly her transformation to mainstream pop seems so inauthentic. She doesn't have the swagger or charisma to pull it off. But what do I know, in terms of dollars and cents she is on her way to being the most commercially successful musical performer of all time. As an exercise in absurdity imagine a world where David Cassidy of Partridge family fame steadily grew in stature throughout the entirety of the 1970s and then into the 80s and by 1985 is the biggest musical act in the world... sorry Thriller era Michael Jackson. Needless to say I am baffled.
Simple, the rest of the music industry has melted away and it’s made Taylor Swift seem unusually exceptional.
@@RocStarr913 Well said. That last batch of stars that spanned the era of 'shared cultural experience' and the current age of 'fragmented internet rabbit holes' has managed to have enduring fame... and are the kings and queens of the streaming age. Ed Sheeran and Rhianna are examples of this. And Taylor Swift I suppose became the best example of all. Still though as someone on the cusp of turning 50, the whole phenomenon still baffles me.
@@dangrise6182 It helps that she has made her whole image an everywoman that is relatively bland and inoffensive and that she’s made her music “good enough.” She takes no real risks with her image or music, which makes her safe and milquetoast and the furthest thing from transgressive unlike so many in pop music. She’s like a modern Billy Joel in a lot of ways, yet she definitely has made better music than he did.
@@RocStarr913 I still have a soft spot for "Only the Good Die Young." and "Piano Man."
@@dangrise6182 Billy Joel was not without technical accomplishment. Musically, he’s quite melodic, but he clearly had to emulate far more unique people in music from Paul McCartney to Elton John to Bruce Springsteen to Frank Sinatra to Elvis Costello to even Motown songwriters. The only unique thing about him is he’s a suburbanite from “New Yawk.” He mainly appeals to and flatters lowest common denominator people and his lyrical skills are simplistic, if not mediocre. “Captain Jack,” which I think was his best song and the one that made him signed to a major record label in the first place, pretty much defines the kind of people that represents his core audience.
I love how Doja Cat actively calls this out on herself and her own fans and refuses to exploit the delusion. People are so used to certain celebrities encouraging these things they don't even know how to respond lol
Facts. Parasociality is toxic and should die.
And yet, she is seen as problematic and the narc cult leader swift is seen as an unproblematic queen. Flying her private jet around all year.
Our world is upside down
@@CarlyonProductionThat's because Doja Cat is far more problematic than Taylor Swift has ever been. And I say this as someone who isn't really too fond of Taylor Swift's music and especially not her public persona but loves listening to Doja Cat's music. The bad stuff Swift as done is not even remotely as bad as the stuff Doja Cat has done and is still doing.
I agree. She might seem mean and harsh with the way she adressed it, but fans really need a wake up call
@@apfelsaft2404 global warming is pretty problematic....
Are we surprised? This is the same woman who kept standing up during certain celebs performances or speech like Sza or Olivia Rodrigo. Some would say she was "supporting" them, but she ended up diverting attention from them to herself. 🙄
I was a swiftie when I was a teen. And I sent her some fashion sketches back then(inspired by her) cause I idolized her. Recently, I saw that one of them was worn by her in the eras tour and another designer got credit😢 now I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't have done that just cause I was hoping she'd see them and know how much I looked up to her. I'm from Iran and getting a responce from my idol at the time would've been everything to me! But now, I just feel sad about it
Which outfit?
@GirlWithABigHeart69 I’ve seen this comment a thousand times on videos like this and they never answer so I’m probably sure this is fake
I’m a huge fan of her music and I think she’s a cool person but I also have tons of problems with some stuff she does, such as this. Love this video!
I think it’s interesting to see since she is growing out of her young adult “small girl goes to the big city” persona as the recent boyfriend situation shows. I think this time to re-record her catalogue has been crazy on the parasocial side of it. It’s like all the fans are treated for the puzzles and dedication by hearing her pay respect to her past work.
I think she just wanted to own her own music?
Cuz Scooter is a shit person. Many music artists are cutting contact with him as well.
Many artists have done the same too, re re cord their album to own it cuz it's their art and their money.
You have so eloquently explained everything that I've been feeling about her and her fandom.
She herself is the victim for all these things happening to her and she complain about happening everything
I will say as a newer listener to Taylor swift. I never heard of anything like notes and stuff and ive seen many Taylor swift fan accounts posting many things and they never mention anything like sending notes. I think her fan base exploded into such a huge thing its surpased even what she, her teams, and really anyone could have imagined. Im hoping with this new mobing of a wedding Taylor will put up more boundaries but also....i don't know if that will do much. Her fanbase has created people who seem to be in the Olympics to show off their devotion. Swifties dedicate days to listen to her music on repeat to get it on the charts. There is concerning behavior by her fans but again will saying things make it better? Lets look at a smaller fandom like drag race. Season 15 of RuPauls drag race had a queen named Lucy Laduca who got.intk fights with other queens on the season (arguments not fist fights) and despite all parties involved (Mostly) saying "please don't send any hate" people did anyway and they sent a lot! Fanbases are really hard to control. If Taylor full stop posted "hey please don't crash a private event im at xoxo" many of her fans would say in their head "shes not talking about ME though. Just other people ".
idk she's had fans in the past show up in mobs to her home and she's spoken about how it makes her feel like she's being hunted, both in interviews and in song lyrics. I think some folks just won't listen.
She fuels this fire so I doubt it
She even said don't send hate to John Mayer prior to the Speak Now TV release (not directly, but she definitely meant that)And literally the swifties took it as a a big whole joke and proceeded to spam John's Instagram page with hate and "jokes"....
@@Fucorii That's the thing about having a huge fanbase, the fans will literally ignore you when you tell them to be nice.
This person is trying to make the crowd something it isn't. That happens with every big celebrity in america because there are no laws prohibiting it. He lost all credibility with me when he victim blamed her for her stalkers and claimed he wasn't. It's disgusting. Also the videos that I've seen of her listening parties all have been at one of her estates not her personal home. Her personal home is an eclectic colorful home that you can see in her documentary. The listening parties are at an elegant looking home like maybe her beach property in I think it's Rhode Island. Not saying crazy fans don't exist (All fandoms have them despite his claims) but most feel close to her because they see her intelligence and the humanitarian things she does not because they expect friendship.
it's just cruel, narcissistic and greedy that she creates this one-sided self-serving parasocial relationship with young kids where the 'relationship' is entirely centred around worshipping her and financing her life... only a real narcissist would want such a thing
People are forced to have parasocial relationships with someone who has never met because of social and economical status they are living in. When your parents, relatives, friends etc are shitty towards you, and judge you for anything, you'll find shelter in celebs' love affairs, song lyrics and movie quotes. When you are living in a poor neighborhood and cannot step out of your home or buy even a hair clip, you'll find happiness in celebs' wealth and the material things they own.
@@Ms-K-w2x respectfully, no.
@@seerpou Respectfully, yes. I came to the conclusion above, and people shouldn't be bashed for living vicariously through others especially those who are richer and more powerful. We have a teenager living in a poor neighborhood with high crime rations and bad parents and friends and having nothing to enrich their life, like learning a language or skill or starting a hobby. What is our hypothetical teenager supposed to do? To live through others they will never meet. Celebrities know that there are poor, depressed, unhappy, ostracized people in the world and promote one sided relationships, like "Are you poor? Can't you buy anything? I'm here to give you hope that you can buy multiple mansions in your country and have a wardrobe full of clothes and shoes".
do you not know anybody? do you not have any real relationships?@@Ms-K-w2x
Hmmm....idk if she's doing it intentionally. I think she likes to make them feel seen. I think she doesn't realize how unhinged and mentally unhealthy alot of those girls are. I think the independent artists do it on way more.....fishing for cheap gifts from fans. ...using them to pump up their self worth....i followed a few independent artists, i was truly disturbed. They use depression and anxiety to hook needy lost teens into the world and also the LGBT community. It's all so whacky.
i really feel like so many of her fans just haven't been exposed to better music. SO much better music is out there but they gravitate toward Taylor Swiftie due to exposure bias. her music gets force fed into everyone's ears whether you choose to listen to her music or not. she is basically the Queen of conformity who makes all the normies feel special.
Suggest me some good music pls! I listen to kpop too.
@@jade.g07 Lana Del Rey, Arctic Monkeys (Album AM), The XX, BANKS, Halsey, and for pop: EMELINE, ANTON, Sabrina Carpenter, Dove Cameron, Dua Lipa, and songs like Babydoll by Ari Abdul and I'm Yours by Isabel LaRosa. Oh I also forgot Carly Rae Japsen that does fantastic pop songs that are upbeat
@@jade.g07 Tori Amos, Joni Mitchell, Mazzy Star.
@@jade.g07Marina Diamandis, Rhiannon Giddens, Fleetwood Mac, Jungle. What kind of music do you like?
@@jade.g07 Rina Sawayama (her two first albums, highly recommended), Porter Robinson (I only have heard Nurture, very cheerful and inspiring music imo). If you like relatability, Fiona Apple and Olivia Rodrigo might be for you (give GUTS a try). Maaybe you will like FKA Twigs, she is a very cool and creative artist and her different dancing skills are to die for. There are so many options in music. Tho I think kpop offers so much variety too.
Oscar Wilde said, "Never despise fashion. It's what we have instead of God." Replace "fashion" with "fame", and it rings even more true today. In modern society, celebrity culture has largely replaced traditional religion, and serves a similar function.
Both are toxic and hollow.
I’m a huge Oscar Wilde fan who’s in the Oscar Wilde society and has read all of his works and several biographies…he did not say that lol. Where did you get that from?
I don't think he ever said that...
@@JD-bp4hq He didn't. I have no idea where OP got this quote from 😂
Kpop fandoms make swifties look tame.
❤ Not nearly enough Taylor snark out there, I guess you’re braver than most! I’m so grateful that you covered this, as I avoid most press about her for my sanity and wasn’t aware of some of this context. That wedding footage really freaked me out-it’s gotten SO out of hand. I think what you describe (as well as the tiktok you included) explains so much about the craze.
It used to be nbd to not be a Taylor fan, but now I feel like I can’t admit that I don’t get the hype without people acting like I’m expressing a fake opinion just to be a contrarian hater. I WISH I enjoyed her, it would make life much more pleasant in her omnipresence, and I’ll gladly embrace the rare Swift song that I actually enjoy (I think so far there are only 2 haha).
Pop music in general has pissed me off since about 2008. I don't care how that sounds, it's just true. Totally valid to genuinely dislike her music and/or feel weirded out by how much she is idolized. Nothing should be universally liked, that's just creepy.
Express your opinions freely. Who cares what other people say? You don’t have to convince anybody
GOD YES!!! This is so true you can't even express your opinion about her no matter how respectfully you say it without people calling you sexist it whatever
Gurl 99% of the music I listen to is by female artists but who are actually putting effort into their music
Yes she has some good songs but they act like she is the greatest musical artist that ever lived
As a Taylor Swift fan myself, I think a lot of what you said rings true for the loudest and most vocal part of the fandom.
I think one part of the puzzle you missed is how she has weaved pieces of her personal life into her music to the point where people identify which songs/albums are for which ex. I think that plays a big part in building the parasocial relationship especially when you consider the psychological effects of group singing. The way some fans behave at her concerts reminds me of my church-going days.
There’s lots of swifties who proclaim that they want to give Taylor privacy wrt her personal life, yet they speculate about who her songs are about. Even the most reasonable people get sucked in and I’m guilty of it myself. It’s nearly impossible to be a casual fan and not get involved with her personal life. I can’t say I have the same relationship with most other artists’ personal lives.
It's not nearly impossible. I listen to artists that weave personal stories into their music all the time. What do I do? Enjoy the music for what it is and that's it. Truth is, people get emotionally invested because we have an epidemic of loneliness in our society and people need a feeling of connection to fill that void. Even if the connection is artificial. What fans feel for Taylor, isn't really about her, but something deeper than that.
Agreed. Same.
@@sandyg4646you're so real for this too
@@sandyg4646 It’s actually the same for every fandom of an artist who write songs about their personal life, it’s like examining an art piece and really not that serious
@@lavilacin8579 dude speculating about a an artists dating life that you hear about through the tabloids and try to connect back to her lyrics to see what relationship she's referring to - is NOT the same as examining a piece of art for what it is. Examining art requires that the artist does NOT overshadow their own work
When thousands (in this case, millions) of people follow one person so devotedly, to the point of defending that person that they don't even personally know, all I can think of is "cult".
You are by far my favorite TH-camr. Every time you upload I get soooo excited. Yet I realize you don’t know who I am and don’t NEED to know who I am, so I’m happy with the current relationship of you uploading and me watching. Simple as that. Also sorry if my wording is wrong I’m drunk.
in brazil a girl died in her show because of the poor treatment the fans were receiving inside the stadium and taylor played ignorant for days meanwhile the fans attacked everyone who asked taylor to say something. those fans even donated money to pay for the girl's corpse transport back to her state and weaponized it to shut down other people like "oh you want to attack taylor but i doubt you helped pay for ana's funeral, you are only a hater". all to protect taylors image...
EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!!! thank god someone said it.
As a Brazilian, that’s in the fault of the company organizing the event, HOWEVER, she should not have ignored it and addressed it as quickly as she could do with professionalism
As a Brazilian girl that love her songs but not at the point of going to a crazy dangerous show like that (the known climate conditions, the violence of the two chosen cities), these episodies had an impact on me.
Other two people died because of these shows (a boy stabbed on the beach and other girl outside the stadium), lots of people were harmed because of the conditions. She didn't pronunced about, she only gave invites to Ana's family watch her show and wrote a note to Ana's mother wrote "Eu amo você (I love you"), actions that are no sense, even cruel, fake, everything.
To American fans, she sends money only because she read something on social midia ou heard about. To Brazilian that literally died because of her, she even didn't appear on the window of the hotel. Her staff covered their car identifications, as they didn't need to follow our rules, she passed more than one week on Brazil and didn't post anything about our culture on midia. Disgusting.
But I still like her songs ...
Honestly I'm still hoping this blows up bc wtf?? A fan dies and no one says anything?? That's other level of privilege and entitlement, how no one says anything about someone dying bc of you
@@LoredanaVillaniAlexandredamn! I didn't know about the other people, that's so sad!
And honestly, I keep saying the same thing: this wouldn't happen on other country. It's not bc Brasil is dangerous, but bc she doesn't care about her fans from third world countries. If a fan happened to die on an European concert she would moved the sky and beyond, she would made a concert, a song, something more than just an ig story that would disappear in 24 hours. That's just so cruel and insensitive, and I feel frustrated as a fellow latin American that most of artists don't care about us
I've been trying to figure out what it is, I don't like about Taylor Swift. I think you helped me pinpoint it. Thank you!
Have you ever seen anyone so aware of a camera? She puts Meghan Markle to shame!
You explained this so well. The sad part is when you realize you’ve been In a limerence/parasocial relationship with your idol, it really messes with your mental health😢
the title is everythinggggg
Only reason I'm watching this is cause I'm an NFL fan and was wondering why the internet is filled with millions of people (mostly 14-26 y/o white girls) who are obsessed with her.
You don’t get? Dood there are literally knife stabbing over video game disputes.
You never heard of the Beatles or Elvis? Really you “don’t get it”? Ridiculous
Inviting some over and baking them shit just to pretend they are friends is pretty toxic.
You think that's creepy? When she was in her mid twenties, she dated a sixteen-year-old (conor kennedy) whose mother committed suicide months earlier - he was young and very vulnerable. She took him to visit his mother's grave - a CHILD. She dated multiple teen boys. There's allegations of gr**ming against her.
? Bro rock stars not too long ago were were taking underaged girls back stage giving them alcohol and drugs and having intercourse with them
This is too far this has to stop now! This is nuts
What do you think rock stars in the 60’s 70’s and 80’s were doing with their fans? They weren’t baking cookies with them that’s for sure lolz
@@Person0fColor true that
She became a billionaire by capitalizing off of young people’s loneliness and isolation, like they know more about Taylor’s life than real people on their life.
In the Eras Tour movie on Disney, in her intro, she gloats “guess who has a sold out show in LA!” And praises herself, and it’s so cringe. Because even bigger stars Michael Jackson, Dolly Parton, etc.. just went out and sang. She feeds off her fans, and her pocketbook now shows that.
She also became a billionaire by generational wealth. Her billionaire parents bankrolled her fame.
@@lordfreerealestate8302 I don't think her parents were billionaires when she was growing up. To be fair, they were not poor, had good jobs and incomes, but they share in her current fortune (and yes, her dad did bankroll BMG), they were not billionaires to begin with.
@@christinakerovecz9018I don’t want to be the one to say it but Taylor swift is no different than any other teenage phenomenon that came before not unlike Elvis or the Beatles
@@christinakerovecz9018 Merryll Lynch executives. Billionaires, and she went to an elite private school.
This is a cult. The fact that cults are getting popularity and reasons marginalized is a sign of the ending of a civilization.
The popularity of cults are caused by many factors, one of which is the parents, relatives, friends etc being closed minded towards others for their lifestyles and tastes. When a teenage girl is judged by her parents for the music she listens, the way she dresses up etc, it's probable that she'll end up joining cults like the Swiftie one.
@asosyalpicimamk absolute claptrap.
It's the re-paganazation of society.
@@TheSZimmerno one is actually a pagan. Just because mainstream religion is becoming less popular doesn’t mean paganism is in the rise. I seriously doubt even a small fraction of western society still believe in Odin
as filthy frank would say: weeaboos no cap
Honestly, I feel these things happen regardless of how a celebrity treats their fans. Remember Justin Bieber spitting on the crowd? He got followed and harassed too for his whole life since he was discovered regardless of how obnoxiously he was behaving. Every celebrity has stories of people entering in their houses, stalking them, believing they’re married etc. I feel like Taylor swift isn’t so different from all the other famous people at this moment. Granted, there’s critiques to be made about some behaviors, but tbh I really don’t think it’s her that’s causing all this mess, it’s simply the fact that at the moment she’s having and enormous success and she’s extremely visible so more people get involved in her life. And if some people are not mentally equipped to deal with parasocial relationships then they should either take more care of themselves, rely on their support system to touch some grass or their parents should educate them better while they grow. Why do we always have to put blame on a single person when there’s masses of rude and dumb people that should be held accountable just as much?
Yeah it seems weird to blame her for the delusions of her fans
@@maddyc2412 She encourages it.
@@AA-ed6ek Her AND her label/marketing teams. That was the whole point of this video, which the person you responded to seems to not have watched.
I don’t agree with everything said in this video, but the Taylor inviting fans to her home thing has always been absolutely insane to me. I don’t think she’s done that since 2018, and I really hope that doesn’t happen again
I'm curious why do you think it's bad?
She would've kept doing it but some people started to steal it that's why she stopped
Inviting them to her home is strange she could have atleast done like an exclusive meet and greet at a radio show or sumn like Ariana G did in 2019
@@misty9964 again not giving me a reason other than it's weird/creepy
@@Mel-jl8dt i feel like being invited to someone’s house is very personal, it kind of implies your connection to that person is more intimate and just is a weird thing to do for people who are fans of you and are on some level idolizing your image
I don’t think it’s a bad thing though. No one is traumatized or anything people remember it as a really good experience.
Never idolize celebrities; they will let you down eventually.
Didn’t Selena get killed by the leader of her fan club?
Healthy boundaries need to be in place.
I’m a big fan (went to the tour, went to the movie, will probably go one or two more times) and it’s really disturbing to see how Swifties behave. I don’t care about her relationships or life in general because I’m … normal?
This. I really like her work, but I've no desire to be friends with any celebrity.
every celebrity benefits from parasocial delusions. it's good for their career cuz they get more exposure, but it's bad for them as a person
Taylor Swift would make a good irl Homelander
Except Homelander is actually likeable. And does something others can't. There's a basis for his narcissism. Taylor is just a mediocre singer....and person.
@@whateverwhatever4026 Homelander isn't a narcissist I believe. It's more so BPD. He's not likeable to me, but more so relatable in the way he reacts to a situation.
@@vlynish It's not necessarily mutually exclusive, and I do think narrassism plays a part. But we can agree to disagree that he's likeable. Same for Soilderboy. The writers wanted them to be hated and unrelatable but they're bad at their jobs.
@@whateverwhatever4026 in the comics it works well. in the series they're very well written, which makes them strangely likeable
@@vlynish First the comics are nothing like the show. For a long list of reasons. But more importantly, the writers outright wanted us to hate the "bad guys", but they're so lost in their own political ideals, they accidentally made them fan favorites. It's definitely an accident. There is no doubt there. They wanted us to be mad at Soilderboy for saying gross off collar stuff, but we ended up just thinking he's funny. It's a political divide problem. Most of the Boys being popular at all, is an accident, and at the detriment of the people making it.
100% Agree. I became a fan when i was 13. This fanaticism is a symptom of this generation not having a good offline life.
We will have solved this problem only when the lives of these fans, including myself, have offline lives as good as the parasocial that we're fed in the media.
The Beetles and Michael Jackson had this type of fanfare.
If the offline life of people were as interesting as the social media...
Another amazing video from my actual best friend Robert Tolppi.
I absolutely LOVEEEEEEEEEEE this breakdown. Love it, love it, love it. Instead of many people dealing with their own reality they use her as an escape. That's the problem. They are living vicariously through her. Look how many lost souls there are. How many hurt people there are ect. She makes people feel seen. She gives them purpose. When they should see themselves as their own heroes of their own story. Not always reading somebody's else's book, but writing thier own chapters. Oh well. They will live and learn.
I went through a phase of loving TS back in 2022, but now it's pretty clear to me that everything she does, all of her music definitely has an element of promoting a cult. Her music is good...there's no doubt about it. But there are so many artists out there with the same talent for music and songwriting hidden under the shadows. Why her?? Also I'm sorry to say this but I think she is an industry plant...not an obvious one...but definitely one. Again I'm not discrediting her hard work, but there is no way one can explain SO much of success of 1 artist through these years. If not an industry plant she definitely works in close ties with them.
She IS an industry plant. She is the daughter of a two billionaire stock brokers who bankrolled her fame. You are perceptive.
I don’t understand why their behavior is excused. there have been several other creators or musicians who have had crowds of people show up where they are and the media freaks out on them but when it comes to Taylor Swift fans, they’re just a bunch of excited girls. Not to forgetting how they behave online.
Outside of her music Taylor Swift is staying relevant in a very effective yet unhealthy manner at the severe cost of her fans mental health exasperating this parasocial relationship.
She just wants their money just like a cult leader.
I’ve always thought she was psychotic. She’s not this innocent fawn that her fans always paint her out to be.
Well just look at the symbology that's used in her video clips & all becomes obvious... She's a sinister person
Taylor doesn't seem to know that public affection is very fragile. I fear that, in light of recent events, 2016 will happen again and this time the Reputation phenomenon will not happen again. She's at the top of her game and that doesn't seem to be enough, her minion army will mature one day and they'll move on from her.
What was 2016?
She seems not to let her minion army go and mature. Once a cult member, always a cult member.
i love how your videos have lots of information in a short time frame, it makes my adhd brain happy
It's interesting how someone who is so unremarkable as Taylor Swift is can be such a sought after celebrity.
When you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, chances are that you get big. Swift has wealthy parents and right PR people and so on behind her.
It’s because we live in an age being bland and inoffensive and conservative is actually considered a strength given the music industry that exists today with so many flashes in the pan.
@@RocStarr913 All music is bland and inoffensive with some stereotypes (e.g. heavy metal consisting of lyrics screamed to a heavy instrumental by guys and girls wearing all black with a shit ton of accessories), and Swift (and people like the Kardashians) is too big to be called a flash in the pan.
@@Ms-K-w2x I mean she has much more staying power than many others currently. She still relatively sounds the same. She hasn’t really changed all that much. She still sounds as juvenile as she did when she started.
@@RocStarr913Like all businesses, media and entertainment work on supply and demand, and the majority of the world is mentally juvenile, and she knows what her audience is like.
Short, concise and gets the key points across flawlessly. Bravo!
I listen to Taylor Swift yes she has some good music, but im not obsessed. I completely forget about her sometimes but now you cant forget about her because her fans are too rabid
I just found your channel, it seems like YT will not give all kind of results because it has a "target algorithm " that sucks
What I'm trying to say is, content like this is almost hidden but should of been suggested.
You're a damn intelligent man my friend.
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I actively avoid most Taylor Swift fans. In real life and online nearly all of my interactions with them have been ridiculous, annoying and disturbing. It sucks to share space with anyone who gets as worked up over parasocial relationships as they do. Even if I thought her music was good, I wouldn't engage in the fandom.
it sucks that you had that experience! i got friendship bracelets mailed to me by taylor swift fans just last week. i hope you can avoid generalizing simply because the people who stick out to non-fans are the worst examples of the rest of the group. you don’t have to like her music or even think she’s pretty or cool. but i think it’s a good idea to just make peace with the fact that millions of people enjoy her and her music respectfully, and it’s just as simple as that :)
@@lystellethis comment is so condescending and reductive that it’s crazy.
you couldve just called him a bitch bro@@lystelle
@@lystelleyou are in a cult and in denial lol. I know it’s hard to hear, but it’s the truth.
As a swiftie, i think shes very calculated and maybe she at first wanted to interact w some cuz she thought it was fun or for just like publicity or just to do something nice in the case of her surprising her young fans. However, her constant fostering of this parasocial relationship may be a personal branding thing as despite her fame shes seen as the girl next door friend type. Rather than superstar compared to other stars of her calibre. She thinks she can handle her fans however, it has been proven time and time again isnt the case, and i think she shld cease enabling borderline delusional tiers of parasocial relationships w her fans even if it makes her legit happy which i think it does seen ger reactions to fans' at concerts. For her own safety. People who keep defending her every move are insane however, she did do problematic things and have to be held accountable for them because of her huge influence. Like her copying a design of a cardigan for her merch from a small brand and her matty healy situation for eg. I think she genuinely like the connection and the joy she brings to people but she needs to stop feeding into her fans' parasocial relationship w her since its gotten so extreme especially given her brand of im just a friend and how relatable her lyrics r its easy to get swept away by the intense one sided relationships fans crafted with her.
Uh oh. Some of the swifties are brutal. They’re going to tear you to pieces when they see this. But you can handle it 😘 love you and your videos!
@s1mperadicator13calm down. Put ya phone down. Seek a therapist.
Watched your clip after seeing the backlash the swifties are attempting to throw at PapaMeat in response to his latest animated clip about Taylor breakup. Some of Taylor’s fans are just hysterical 😂
She is very friendly with her fans. I think thats really nice. I hope she doesn't meet a weirdo at some point.
of course she’s friendly, how else would she secure access to their money…..
I really enjoyed your critique and now I’m a new subscriber
Robert you are spitting straight facts great video. As a rap fan there are some diehard, hardcore fanbases out there, namely Lil Uzi Vert, Playboi Carti and the greater “opium” scene. These artists still draw very strict boundaries with what fans know and don’t know, usually only giving fans music and little to no detail on their personal lives.
I’m a fan of her music, but I don’t like the fandom. You can’t say anything negative without them trying to rip your neck out. I’ve got a good bit of critiques about Taylor, and the amount of absolute vitriol I’ve received for this is astounding.
Elvis was that big and we know from the famous, "Elvis has left the building." Elvis also had bodyguards while serving in the military. Adult Micheal Jackson managed to convince parents to have their little kids stay with him unsupervised.
What a well thought out video. You explained extreme parasocial behaviors perfectly
I admire some famous people and their stories but my idols and role models will and forever be my father and mother
Great discussion on this topic, love how it was balanced and unbiased in its approach
Nothing new here. Kids threw themselves at Frank Sinatra in the 40s, Elvis created near insanity at times, Kids used to faint and some got trampled when Beatles and Rolling Stones arrived in 1965-1966. They both paid staffs to answer fan letters for them and kids thought Paul McCarthy or Mick Jagger were writing to them. Then Roadies. Kids that followed bands from town to town happened for years
Some sex parties with underage kids Certainly happened by rockers and hair bands. Sex ,drugs and rock and roll
The Micheal Jackson craze was over the top and pretty nuts. Crowd control Kids visiting his home? , Boy Bands, Spice Girls . One Direction, BTS
I actually think Taylor and Beyonce have been very responsible and kind to their fans
Taylor stopped the fan visits as she’s grown up.
She has friends that are real and I as a senior love her music and her influence on young people. Nothing evil here.
60,000 peaceful happy people singing and exchanging friendship bracelets sounds great to me. Queen concerts were like that full of love
Sad world. We all need some joy.
I don't think people are noticing enough how much the same stuff that you're calling out Taylor Swift for right now has been used by countless other celebrities to get people in inappropriate situations. I'm not saying that Taylor Swift specifically is grooming or targeting her fans away that Colleen ballinger did, but as someone who spent my own teams and an inappropriate social media relationship with a singer I admired and listen to I can't help but notice that she's doing the exact same things that my groomer and trafficker did to me, and the same things that Colleen ballinger did to an extent. Drake Bell is another example of a celebrity who gets way too close their fans and then it comes out later that it was because he was trying to get inappropriate services from his fans....
Even if she is doing it for engagement and loyalty rather than sexual favors, it's still fucked up.
This is out of pocket. You can do to Taylor Swift’s own TH-cam channel and see for yourself. There is absolutely no comparison to what Colleen Ballinger and Drake Bell did.
@@Gingerm0nsterbro it’s still fucked up. How is feeding into peoples unhealthy obsession and encouraging it ok ? That’s compromising to peoples mental health ! I’ve seen plenty of people in this comment section sharing how they know they have unhealthy parasocial relationship w a celebrity and it borders obsession but they don’t know how to stop! Like these people need therapy!! What she’s doing is harming people and she doesn’t need to be a groomer or SA anyone to do that !
It sounds like Taylor Swift is creating a cultish environment. This could not only be dangerous for her, but also her fans.
She did nothing to stop fans from harassing and even threatening her ex-boyfriends. It got completely out of hand.
I’m a BTS fan and all I see are patterns. Unfortunately same ones I observe all the time. And I’m not an exclusion, as a lonely person with a coping mechanism aka parasocial relationships. Wish there would be something to get me out of this. P.S: Have a nice day, everyone! Thank you for the video 🤝
Therapy bestie, i wish you all the best 🙏🏻🫶🏻
Hi, fellow Bts fan. I feel same. So fed up with all this shit. We as their fans have so unhealthy and codependent relationship, esp between Armys and Jk that it's not cute anymore
@@oleksandrapoliakova7495 agreed jk has been a little too much these past few months idk flirting or calling armies his girlfriend has got to give armies some kind of ego and is even feeding them exactly what they fantasize about.
@@reeshayyy5967since the rest of the members are preparing to go for their military service, i think things will calm down… i mean it usually does for other groups
@@oleksandrapoliakova7495try hard...and you'll be able to get out this 😊... rooting for you ..
Oh okay, so Taylor Swift is instigating this fan base behavior. That makes sense, I don't listen to her, I don't follow her, but once I found out about this intensity, I got super curious as to why.. from psychological perspective. There are way better artists, and none of the fans act "like that."
Thank you so much for your time making this video, Robert. I have always been concerned about her fan base as well, because it feels as though she is aware of the relationships and crazed behavior she is cultivating, but she enjoys the attention… I worry for her safety, others, and everyone who is obsessed with her, mental health. God bless you, thank you. Stay safe out there, y’all. Music is powerful, we need to be very picky about what we listen to, especially when we are in a vulnerable place.
Good analysis, appreciate the straight to the point criticism
Yup!
I think Taylor Swift is the most over rated average artist out there..i dont think her voice is anything special the buskers in my home city have better vocals than her, i think her lyrics and song writing skills are for disney or under 13s..i have never ever connected with one of her songs..i was scratching my head for years wondering why she is so successful..but then i learned that her father is a millionaire
I agree
she is not just a narcissist, that's just an entry point in stardom. she has covert narcissistic disorder for sure. meaning-she does the break-up thing for fun. she can't handle vulnerability and lows. she always has to be on gas peddle and high in dopamine and adrenalinergic love. she loves intensity, any drop in that and she is turned off and the break up happens. this is because the turning on-ness has made her a lot of money, and got her somewhere. she is deeply attached to people who have hurt her or took her to intense experiences. she hates the narcs who did it to her, yet still craves for toxicity, and she toys with empathetic men because she can't bear the idgaf attitude they have and the peace they have with themselves(money doesn't matter).
her songs are always hate songs for some other human being who either was less powerful than her or maybe an asshole to her. she can't let go. and the modern day swifties allign themselves with such toxic state of fuckedupness in their lives.
Very well put. The saddest part is that many of her naive fans would just replicate the same actions as her blindly. They keep chasing the toxicity and her songs validate that behavior. In their heads, the relationship should be high on dopamine and always on the edge. Calm and stable relationships seem boring to them. So, they choose toxicity over stability and hurt others and themselves in the process. But them getting hurt is all that matters to them and not the hurt they caused. They aren't willing to take the accountability for the hurt they would have caused to empathetic men, just like their idol.
@@San_Deep2501 i have been in the opposite side of the same situation. Overtime, I have seen themselves rip themselves off in later life. I know a girl, who has all the charm, but no one would want to marry her. And I feel sad, that she was my childhood sweet heart. I hope she finds peace and stability.
isn't that bipolar or histrionic personality disorder rather than covert narcissism
Be safe Robert the swifties will find you 😰
You always choose such interesting topics and condense the information so well. A lot of video essays just go on and on, but I appreciate how you cut to the important parts. You can tell the script of these videos are, indeed, essays that went through proper proofreading.
I’m impressed binging ur channel now
Letting fans get that close to her is insane behavior for someone at her level of fame.
Taylor Swift is just a human like the rest of us. She is not special
Hey, massive Taylor fan here. I just wanna say that I’m happy to see videos like this one. It genuinely gets so boring when it’s all just praise upon praise and it’s nice to see some of the less common opinions spoken out about. Thank you for this.
Beyonce and taylor swift are the only western artists who have a fandom that behaves similary to kpop fandoms. Having spent years in both its very very similar
With Beyonce, she doesn't even acknowledge her fans' existence. They just worship her 😂. I can only imagine the horror if she did 0.001% of what Taylor does with her fans
Nicki Minaj, too. They will go to war for her.
@l-kin3480 it's better this way. People don't misunderstand the relationship. People worship her for her craft, talent, and creativity NOT bc they think she is the BFF.
Not only her fans would willingly take a bullet for her, but they would kill for her, then seem very aggressive. That's what's scary 😮