Love the Sim data. 1,000 things I want to see in it. Seems like after 2 and you are positive a press/collect would maximize benefit of a long roll and negate some of the short roll loss.
See the problem is with the strat is when you are regressing. We need to see more often the making up of your original bet 440 on each shooter. I know that it is difficult. But if we can find the right regression strategy to maximize your profits on each shooter while still regressing that will change the data immensely! Thanks for sharing this though I really have been interested in a 220 regression and a 440 regression as of late!
I can only guess the time involved. Would like to see the strategy play all day by crappy the craps man. I think color up has also done it on his channel at the $25 level. Only uses $100 per shooter. Start $25 dp and two $25 come bets and a $25 dc bet..again appreciate all you time and work. We all know the casino is going to win long term but like to see less house edge for us players
I was just thinking about commenting on another video seeing if you could do more sophisticated simulations. For example, most people playing this in real life would change to a press/power press and collect strategy once hitting profit per shooter or down to the table minimum. I’m sure that would change some of those outliers to be much higher dollar amount wins. It’s great to see that you can do more complicated betting strategies. I can’t wait to see all the videos with all the different strategies a year from now. Exciting times!
Great video, I wonder how it changes on a $25 table, just eliminating the final regression. I suppose the ~25% loss and the percentage on the loss after first hit stay the same, but the profits over time increase. In totality it would be something interesting to observe
this strategy is great if your local casino has virtual craps where you can out-wait the point 7 out and the inside numbers are relatively rolled more often than the field
Thanks for doing this one. I've settled on this strategy as my favorite provided i have the bankroll for it, but what's great about this system is after you've hit the third time you're pretty much free to play whatever strategy you'd like. I tend to go to placing the 6 and 8 for either $30 each for a $15 min table or $42 each for a $25 min. If the 6 hits, ill place $15 or $25 each on the 4 and 5. If the 8 hits, place the 9 and 10. Each time the 6 or 8 hits, put another $15 or $25 on the appropriate side. If an outside number hits, collect and pull down that bet. With the 440 regression to start youre doing all of this and still holding a profit and ive seen outside numbers get pretty big. It'd be interesting to see if this would help or hurt profitability on this simulation.
Love the vid DiceData. I'm very curious to hear how the numbers would change if you stopped the regression after the first hit. With this change, after the second hit you're exposure would be -10, which is effectively breaking even when talking about such an expensive strategy. By keeping the bets at the 50-60 dollar level, can you recoup the devastating point-7-out losses quicker, right? Back to your strategy, at 0:21, hits 4 through 10 generate $98. In my idea, you'd generate well over $98 in 2 hits. So. If a roll, hits even 3 more times inside, you're already well further into profit town. I guess my ultimate question is, would the increased risk of not regressing cause new issues? If it does, how much worse?
Great video! I’d be really interested to see this simulation on a $15 minimum table. I also think it would be very interesting to see how the profits would be affected if, after regressing to the minimum $66 inside, you employed an alternating collect/full press strategy. You’ve already made $200 on that shooter so I’m thinking you’d greatly increase your overall profit by exploiting the longer rolls.
The alarming stat for me is that 3 inside hits only happened 10% of the time. DP Cover bet where the inside regresses and comes down after two hits sounds like a winner
Great work. @dicedata. What percentage of shooters overall and per session lasted 3 or greater rolls ? And what percentage of sessions saw a net of 3 or greater rolls over 10 shooters? (Hopefully I am asking this the correct way!…Do you see what I am getting at?)
If the players would press the bets after the +100 mark Im pretty sure the outcome would have been positive in winning more then losing sessions. Or if you stop regression once you hit the 110 inside collecting $35 instead of $14
This is the way i would play it. 440 is tough start for me. So I do 220 and only take down half the 5/9 first hit then half the 6/8 on the next hit. i am either up or only into it for $5 depending what the second hit is. i usually profit a little under 150 for the shooter. and the long shooters make bank to make up for PSO or single hits.
@edmandziuk3858 nice ya im a higher player but I play as a team with my brother we start with 550 inside the first hit we press 160 across get a second inside hit then reduce to 330 inside and good from there (were out of the hand and have the 330 paid for)
Any chance you can run this strategy. 3 lays per shooter. Once a point is established you lay it. Then if two other numbers hit you also lay them. If the point is hit you can lay again. Important rule is max 3 lays per shooter.
I did 10,000 live rolls on my table and looked at the data. If you leave the bet working on the come out you end up a little bit more ahead. The numbers rolled hit the statics almost on the nose. Run your simulation with 440 on the come out and see if you see a difference
@@DiceData Couple of months on my home table throwing an hour a day or so, I just wrote the numbers down and then put them in a spreadsheet. I was trying to see if setting the dice made any difference and it did vary a litte. A few more 6&8 and a little bit less 7 but not enough to say it really helped. What I found was the big killer was 3 7's in a row. Hard to come back from a $1320 hole. I use these rolls to look at other ways to bet but the 440 reduction still gives the best chance of winning.
@@drdontpassone8164 it's a blend of 1.52% on the 6/8 and 4% on the 5/9. There's a slight weighting down since the amounts on the 6/8 are a little higher. I cut the discussion from the video since I didn't want to do another animation:)
@@DiceData your pass come come full odds /your dont pass dcome dcome full lay odds --blows this one out the water,,no comparison..///////////...i personally play d pass /one dont come full layodds both when i lose switchover to pass one come max odds both and go back and forth .usually get one streak in session and get fat ,,,,,,,,,,,,walk when im 30 percent BR up..... house edge small ..these multiple across point bets for big bucks are for chumps
Do you guys like the new scorebug or no?
nice great job love the house edge percent all your vids ,,that what i look at-ddp1
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Love the Sim data. 1,000 things I want to see in it.
Seems like after 2 and you are positive a press/collect would maximize benefit of a long roll and negate some of the short roll loss.
See the problem is with the strat is when you are regressing. We need to see more often the making up of your original bet 440 on each shooter. I know that it is difficult. But if we can find the right regression strategy to maximize your profits on each shooter while still regressing that will change the data immensely! Thanks for sharing this though I really have been interested in a 220 regression and a 440 regression as of late!
Great work and appreciate your hard work
Thank you, that means a lot. I spend too much time on this stuff!! 😭 But it's fun
I can only guess the time involved. Would like to see the strategy play all day by crappy the craps man. I think color up has also done it on his channel at the $25 level. Only uses $100 per shooter. Start $25 dp and two $25 come bets and a $25 dc bet..again appreciate all you time and work. We all know the casino is going to win long term but like to see less house edge for us players
@@HankHoshallI'll check it out
@@HankHoshall done 👍
Awesome work. Love it!
I was just thinking about commenting on another video seeing if you could do more sophisticated simulations. For example, most people playing this in real life would change to a press/power press and collect strategy once hitting profit per shooter or down to the table minimum. I’m sure that would change some of those outliers to be much higher dollar amount wins. It’s great to see that you can do more complicated betting strategies. I can’t wait to see all the videos with all the different strategies a year from now. Exciting times!
@@kevinosborn4508 the good thing is I'll never run out of ideas!!
Great video, I wonder how it changes on a $25 table, just eliminating the final regression. I suppose the ~25% loss and the percentage on the loss after first hit stay the same, but the profits over time increase. In totality it would be something interesting to observe
I'm gonna try it at a 25 table but leary after seeing this lol .
I would have suspected a little better
this strategy is great if your local casino has virtual craps where you can out-wait the point 7 out and the inside numbers are relatively rolled more often than the field
Thanks for doing this one. I've settled on this strategy as my favorite provided i have the bankroll for it, but what's great about this system is after you've hit the third time you're pretty much free to play whatever strategy you'd like. I tend to go to placing the 6 and 8 for either $30 each for a $15 min table or $42 each for a $25 min. If the 6 hits, ill place $15 or $25 each on the 4 and 5. If the 8 hits, place the 9 and 10. Each time the 6 or 8 hits, put another $15 or $25 on the appropriate side. If an outside number hits, collect and pull down that bet. With the 440 regression to start youre doing all of this and still holding a profit and ive seen outside numbers get pretty big. It'd be interesting to see if this would help or hurt profitability on this simulation.
@@guidosarducci166 thanks, I found this one fascinating!
Keep em coming!
I'm trying! Thanks!! :)
Love the vid DiceData.
I'm very curious to hear how the numbers would change if you stopped the regression after the first hit. With this change, after the second hit you're exposure would be -10, which is effectively breaking even when talking about such an expensive strategy. By keeping the bets at the 50-60 dollar level, can you recoup the devastating point-7-out losses quicker, right?
Back to your strategy, at 0:21, hits 4 through 10 generate $98.
In my idea, you'd generate well over $98 in 2 hits. So. If a roll, hits even 3 more times inside, you're already well further into profit town.
I guess my ultimate question is, would the increased risk of not regressing cause new issues? If it does, how much worse?
@@SoarviverForever every video brings new questions! What a cool game to have this much nuance. I'll add this one to the list. Thank you.
@@DiceData you rock
Great video! I’d be really interested to see this simulation on a $15 minimum table. I also think it would be very interesting to see how the profits would be affected if, after regressing to the minimum $66 inside, you employed an alternating collect/full press strategy. You’ve already made $200 on that shooter so I’m thinking you’d greatly increase your overall profit by exploiting the longer rolls.
The alarming stat for me is that 3 inside hits only happened 10% of the time. DP Cover bet where the inside regresses and comes down after two hits sounds like a winner
@@Kaouell yes but you have to add up all those 3, 4, 5, wins, etc.
ant0her quality vid .......superb as usual
Great work. @dicedata. What percentage of shooters overall and per session lasted 3 or greater rolls ? And what percentage of sessions saw a net of 3 or greater rolls over 10 shooters? (Hopefully I am asking this the correct way!…Do you see what I am getting at?)
Shooter survival rate: does this answer your question?
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@@DiceDatayes but I thought this was a bit more of a drill down of that. Maybe (as I usually do) am over thinking it.
@@shantytownbrown I think it's worth exploring
If the players would press the bets after the +100 mark Im pretty sure the outcome would have been positive in winning more then losing sessions. Or if you stop regression once you hit the 110 inside collecting $35 instead of $14
This is the way i would play it. 440 is tough start for me. So I do 220 and only take down half the 5/9 first hit then half the 6/8 on the next hit. i am either up or only into it for $5 depending what the second hit is. i usually profit a little under 150 for the shooter. and the long shooters make bank to make up for PSO or single hits.
@edmandziuk3858 nice ya im a higher player but I play as a team with my brother we start with 550 inside the first hit we press 160 across get a second inside hit then reduce to 330 inside and good from there (were out of the hand and have the 330 paid for)
Thank you!
Thanks for watching
Any chance you can run this strategy. 3 lays per shooter. Once a point is established you lay it. Then if two other numbers hit you also lay them. If the point is hit you can lay again. Important rule is max 3 lays per shooter.
Is it basically the three point dolly? Why lay rather than a DC?
Ive thought for a while now the regression is the only way to go. Get in get out.
I did 10,000 live rolls on my table and looked at the data. If you leave the bet working on the come out you end up a little bit more ahead. The numbers rolled hit the statics almost on the nose. Run your simulation with 440 on the come out and see if you see a difference
I'll have to give it a try.
You run 10k live? How long does that take.
@@DiceData Couple of months on my home table throwing an hour a day or so, I just wrote the numbers down and then put them in a spreadsheet. I was trying to see if setting the dice made any difference and it did vary a litte. A few more 6&8 and a little bit less 7 but not enough to say it really helped. What I found was the big killer was 3 7's in a row. Hard to come back from a $1320 hole. I use these rolls to look at other ways to bet but the 440 reduction still gives the best chance of winning.
Impressive dedication
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@@TheBillkrauss you tell 'em ;) 😂❤️❤️
Not anymore my guy. That is not okay with me. Subbed at the hard 6 level as I don’t usually interact too much, but definitely wanted to show support.
@kevinosborn4508 great! good content deserves some support.
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house edge 2.6 ish youza thats bad
@@drdontpassone8164 it's a blend of 1.52% on the 6/8 and 4% on the 5/9. There's a slight weighting down since the amounts on the 6/8 are a little higher.
I cut the discussion from the video since I didn't want to do another animation:)
@@DiceData your pass come come full odds /your dont pass dcome dcome full lay odds --blows this one out the water,,no comparison..///////////...i personally play d pass /one dont come full layodds both when i lose switchover to pass one come max odds both and go back and forth .usually get one streak in session and get fat ,,,,,,,,,,,,walk when im 30 percent BR up..... house edge small ..these multiple across point bets for big bucks are for chumps
@@DiceData you tube-------- ''g chang,craps'' alot like your stuff..ie good.....big fan