Starsky, I just noticed that the S6´s oscillators are duller than the J6 ones. Is it possible to do another video using J6´s oscillators cycles to hear how they behave once played by the S6´s oscillators? maybe this can compensate for the lack of high end, maybe it´s some kind of technical limitation. Thanks!
Yes! 14.33 you go right into the JP's secret toolbox. I've never seen anyone else on the Tube get into those 'modular' type sounds it does so well - brilliant work fella!
I love how both of them make a saw wave and then, another wave if you like. My grandma once did a saw wave with a pulse wave. My grandfather was heartbroken. A trend of heart break is not acceptable.
As the ex Roland UK senior engineer, I had a soft spot for the JP-6 over the JP-8 (which was softer and went out of tune a lot). All I can add is that the JP-6 was harder to repair than the 8, the cross mod fault is either an adjustment or a faulty decoder IC. If you want the JP-6 sound, you won't get the warmth or character from the UDO, I also liked the JX-3P as well over the JX-8P
@@helisoma Not sure why people are commenting on the 'As'; it is my way of introducing myself - working inside Roland, I saw a lot of Roland gear and gained a lot more experience than the average person. I have been 35 years with Roland this month. In my personal experience and opinion, the JX-10 was a great synth and reliable, but the factory patches were lame, and it could be programmed to sound a lot better. I probably worked on about 35 of these at Roland, including the ones used by Prefab Sprout and UB40. I have earned my stripes AS a senior engineer and feel I am more than worthy to make a commitment.
@@delatronics3257 yes sorry I was referring to @X22GJP reply that his reply was unnecessary...thanks so much for your input here its amazing to see a Roland engineer. This year I plunged into hardward collecting and got a Juno-6, Korg Prophecy, JX-10 (love it...although need an external controller...its got the Vecoven 3.xx upgrade but the patches are unknown to me and I don't know if any are factory...they don't correspond to factory patches but sound really good) and most recently a JP-8000 (needs new caps).
I've owned both (sold the jp-6 a few years back). I recently had a chance to purchase another Jupiter 6 or a super 6, and I went for the super 6. The super 6 has so much potential. There are a lot of things this synth can do nothing else I've touched can do. The only thing I miss from the Jupiter 6 are the option to select multiple shapes per oscillator, however with the super 6 you can import new waveforms so in theory you could create this to import. The wild bandpass filter on the Jupiter 6 is definitely underrated as well. The Super 6 has a lot of hidden features including a detune feature to simulate random variation per oscillator (recently added earlier this year) and parameters (shift menu item). Looping envelopes and ability to key track also add some cool unique sound options.
Very close cousins. Even though some patches are spot on, there is something more clinical about the same patch when played on the UDO. Even the harmonic interplay oscillates or "beats" at a more perfect rate on the UDO. The JP6 is magically imperfect.
A huge pro for Super 6 is the ability to "borrow" waveform to the LFO1 - since that is main modulator for the top control row, having weird waves both in hp an sub mode can lead to cray fm and even crazier modulations.
I would have thought the Polybrute would be the best choice to approximate a Jupiter 6. Fully analogue with VCOs and envelopes that seem inspired by the Jupiter. Envelope curves are the same out of the box I think (Logarithmic attack with exponential decay/release) and you can change them around in the settings. I think all Roland poly synths from the 80s had exponential curves in ADR stages. You also get that multi-mode filter and flexibility around how you route stuff through them so that should help get into Jupiter 6 territory. I think that's the secret in part anyway; the envelope curves.
Still not selling my J6 I guess. :-) Interesting how your opinion on the Jupiter from the first video went from "This is a bit old and limited" to "Hmm, maybe it can't really be matched" in this one. The Jupiter 6 is a study in extremes - in the "middle" so to speak it can be sharp edges and crunchy, but pushed outside where most synths will go it has a unique character that is very hard to replicate with modern keyboards.
I’m definitely on a journey. And i thought it was more interesting to show this in these (and more to come) than try to put wverything in a single video - which would be far too complex and wouldn’t demonstrate how unique characteristics can infuse character and why vintage synths cause such impassioned discussions. … but are still well overpriced for what they do!! 😂
Harsh and gritty, thin and weedy, perfect description of how SOME of the sounds on the JP6 are unique and can be hard to work with, but it can also do beefy when you tweak it. Cross mod effects on the JP6 are sometimes really effective. The JP6 is mostly way more gritty than the S6, which sometimes sounds very toyish. To my ear, the JP6 has some magic the S6 rarely demonstrates.
The Jupiter-6 LFO-1 goes from 0.04Hz to 100Hz, and it's written in the manual that the random mode even goes to 400Hz, making the JP-6 the record holder both for slowest running LFO and fastest running LFO in the vintage synth category. And even today you rarely see LFOs in those ranges, the exception being wavetable synths. Same for the filters, going from 5Hz to 30kHz, the biggest range around, and each enveloppe stage can be as long as 20 seconds. This is really a synth that pushed things to their limits. Such an underrated marvel
I just want to tell you that I was very impressed with your detailed comparison of these 2 synths. Fantastic. I was equally impressed with how quickly you navigated both of them. It was very impressive. I must tell you, however, that I didn't find it to be a very fair, or dare I say, a very useful comparison. I mean, it was certainly interesting, and it highlighted what an amazing synth the Jp6 really is - especially when you consider it's almost 40 years old. I would have rather seen you compare it to the Arturia Polybrute or the new Sequential P10. I'm pretty sure it would have beaten those, and it would have been a more appropriate sonic comparison - even though the feature set on all 3 of those synths is quite different. For some very strange reason, people compare the UDO Super 6 to the early '80s Rolands (Jp6, 106, etc), and I have No Idea why - other than looks (the sliders/knobs). Clearly, our eyes influence us far more than our ears even though we're musicians. : ) I own a Super 6. I have not owned a Jp6 in close to 20 years. (You certainly made me miss it : ), but I still own a Jupiter 8. In fact, at the time, the reason I got rid of my Jupiter 6 is because I found that it never sat that well in the mix for my taste. It was too harsh/reedy ("reedy" being the term you used a couple of times). Of course, that's just an opinion, and it would certainly depend on the music you make. I believe a far more meaningful comparison is to think of the Super 6 as a Modern Day PPG Wave or Prophet VS. (Yes, I know the Proph VS is a Vector Synth, and the the PPG a Wavetable Synth, etc...but to me, the S6 is far more like those synths, than an early 80's Roland). -The S6 uses Single Cycle Digital Waves into an Analog Filter. I believe everything else is digital, except the VCA's. The Jp6 is an All Analog Synth. -The S6 (Super 6) is a Stereo/Binaural Synths. The Jupiter 6 is Mono. At the beg of your review, and I totally get why you did it, but you ripped out half the magic of the S6. In the S6 manual, it literally says, "...We highly rec'd making use of the stereo outputs - after all, you've just acquired a superb binaural synthesizer." Similarly, the Prophet VS actually had a sticker on the synth itself that said, "Attention: Stereo Hook-Up Required for Optimum Performance." That's how important Sequential felt it was 35 years ago. They put an ugly red sticker right on the face of the synth. -I believe the Jp6 excels at blippy, buzzy, gnarly sounds like you demonstrated. I agree with your comments on the Modulations on the Jp6 being more extreme, and it has more features that highlight its capabilities than the S6. The Super 6 has other features that speak to its capabilities, such as being able to spread the voices, a phase slider on the LFO, etc. The UDO Super 6 (IMHO) excels at pads. It's warmer sounding, and more subtle sounding than the Jp6. It's beauty is in its sonic subtleties. If I were going to lay a Pad, I would reach for the S6 all day long over the Jp6. If I wanted a gnarly lead sound, I'd reach for the Jp6 all day long over the S6. I don't think your question should have been, "Should the S6 replace your Jp6?" I think your review should have highlighted the differences rather than the similarities, and thus, demonstrated where the S6 excels over the Jp6. For example, at 23:30 you can clearly hear - at least to me - the warmer, trippier sounding S6, while you struggled to even keep the Jp6 in tune. Thus, the question should have been, "Do you need both the S6 and the Jp6?" : ) Needless to say, I think the Super 6 is the best sounding synthesizer to come out in the last 20 years. (I'm not talking price or feature set. Only sonic magic). I owned the Polybrute and the Prophet 10. They're really nice synths, but they don't beat synths made 40 years ago. At least that's what I discovered in my A/B tests. That would include the new Prophet 10, which I A/B next to a Proph 5 Rev 2. When you try and mimic the sounds, and then compare them in a static state to each other, you can't tell the diff, but when you compare them to each other while you're altering the sound - meaning while you're opening the filter, turning up the rez, etc, the vintage version, for me, pulled ahead. I think the Super 6 offers something unique, while not simply trying to replicate the past.
Woah… that’s a big one 😂 but your point is spot on. That’s exactly why I made this. So many superficial comparisons between the 2 synths I thought I’d put the evidence out there for all to see and more importantly hear.I’m not sure it’s confusing - here are 2 synths… ones being compared to the other so how do they stack up? It’s not an in-depth review of all the functions of each… it’s a demoing if the super 6 can match the idiosyncrasies of the Jupiter. (I’ve got separate videos for each synth) And I’d love to compare it to a PPG.. but I only have a Jupiter 6 here. I’ve not actually got every synth ever made in the kitchen 😂😂 but if anyone’s got one they’d like to send over for a couple of weeks I’d love them to get in touch. Thanks for the comments. I had the S6 next to the P5 last night actually and programmed a couple of the P5 sounds on it… it immediately takes you to new places. I’m a big fan of the S6… it’s just not a replacement for a Jupiter 6 if you like to take the JP6 to its extremities.
@@StarskyCarr Fair enough. I certainly wasn't looking to start a fight. : ) Sorry I misunderstood you. It's just that you very much set the vid up as a comparison - one versus the other - and asked the question, could the S6 "fulfill the role of the Jp6," and judging from the comments, I think most people took your question quite literally. I was one of those people. Hence, my initial post. I just don't know if the question is relevant given that the two synths are quite different. I mean, given what you're saying, I suppose you could have taken any synth and asked that question. Thx for clearing it up, and I look forward to watching more of your videos. To me, a very interesting comparison - if you really want to compare apples to apples - would be to put the Jupiter 6 up against the Polybrute (if you were able to borrow one). That would be interesting. Vintage Analog versus New Analog.
@@Pacer416 Haha.. maybe my reply was too curt.. but typing on this phone takes ages! No offence taken here :). I've a Prophet 6 vs Jupiter 6 coming soon... vintage vs modern 6 voice VCO synths... we think along the same lines ;)
@@StarskyCarr Prophet 6 versus Jp6 will be very cool! You may also want to consider doing another edition of Jp6 versus UDO Super 6, but focussing on Pads - doing some in mono for a direct comparison, but then doing some in binaural so people can really understand what binaural sounds like. I'd never even heard the term "binaural" until I got the S6. The reason I'm pushing is that I really feel the S6 is the ONLY new synth to come out in 20 years that gives the classics a run for the money, sonically speaking, in some respects - namely in creating beautiful, full, organic pads, which rival the Prophet VS/PPG Wave 2.2./2.3. As you pointed out, the S6 has a beautiful, deep bass, which wasn't really relevant in the way you chose to showcase the 2 synths. I would have just loved for people to really experience that - and comparing the S6 to a vintage synth, like the Jp6, is a great way to do it. Anyway, you probably want to move on, but thanks for the banter. I appreciate it, and I look forward to more of your vids. (I feel a bit bad with my comments because you must be thinking, "no good deed goes unpunished! : )
Thanks so much for this video. The Jupiter 6 is the only classic jupiter most could ever hope to afford at this point. I've been curious to see how these two compared. Found both the similarities and differences very interesting and surprising in several points. I wonder if UDO doesn't watch this and try to expand the S6's modulation ranges.
Owned both Jupiters over the decades, and frankly they are good synths but overrated. I’m not sorry i sold them; these days my keeper synths are a Prophet X and a Matriarch with modular. Sampled the heck out of the oscillators on the Jupes before selling, dropped samples into the Prophet and the Jupe oscillators thru that amazing new stereo Rossum filter just *crush* the sound of the J8. #opinion People worship the J8 because it’s the best-looking synth ever created and it has good oscillators and envelopes. But honestly filter on the J8 is simply nowhere near as good as a Juno 6/60, Moog or Sequential filter. #unpopularopinion I’d still consider buying a Juno 60, but i do not miss my Jupiters (or the MKS-80).
@@sub-jec-tiv Agreed. All those legacy synths are overrated, tbh … especially when you take into account the repair / maintenance costs and hassle thereof you would have to endure owning them. Several fantastic sounding modern synths around, anyway!!
@@kierenmoore3236 yeah totally. I had to service my 101 a few times over the years to assure it stayed in tune and behaved correctly. Pain in the neck, and costly. Eventually just sold it. I can understand why people love the originals, they do sound beefy af. Plus they look cool and it’s braggable. But I’m a musician not a collector or an Instagrammer… there are contemporary synths that sound just as good. Even plugins are getting crazy. Especially Softube’s synths. Their 101 is almost indistinguishable (and i owned a 101 for 20+ years).
Jupiter wins in every aspect. The difference in tone quality is abysmal. I think the Super 6 excels more in the hybrid PPG DW8000 area. Its a lovely synth at that. This review, compared to the JP6 one, is infinitely better... great, great job!
Thanks for the comparison. I believe once you delve further into the Jupiter 6, you'll realize the JP-6 is far more complex than it first appears. The Super 6 sounds really good though. I have never seen a Super 6 in person, what is the build quality like?
Thank you for the helpful comparison. You really show us what these two machines can do. Beautiful sounds at the end there with judicious use of effects.
Everyone should just get the S6, as a Jupiter owner I do deal with the temperament of a synth that is getting close to 40 years old and it can be a serious drag. The S6 is an amazing value and you show that here.
Great video as always. The JP6 sounds more bright and a little more agressieve. Do you think this difference can be corrected by using an EQ with a high boost maybe?
@@SacSynths_Jack_Z It's where computer technology is used to replace analogue technology. On the Prophet 600 ( I own both a Prophet 600 and a Jupiter 6) the circuits involved with number crunching like the seq , arpeggiator, LFO's and envelopes are calculated via the processor but the oscillators and filters are analogue. You can tell by setting the resonance to ten causing it to self oscillate then move the cutoff up and down, if you listen you hear the cutoff moving in steps. But the sound is very analogue. The Jupiter 6 filters heard here (and on mine) don't self oscillate at all for some reason. You should be able to hear the filter self oscillation on it's own. As I said, it's what I thought so I may be wrong in this instance.
Man your timing for videos couldn’t be worse for my wallet. Been looking at the Super 6 for a while but pretty sure this will be the next purchase now.
Great video !! I have recently changed from a Juno 106 to a Jupiter 6 thinking it would do all the old jobs the 106 did and more. I have to say as much as I now love the Jupiter 6 it’s not the most immediate synth to connect with which I also felt was your reaction in your first review.it really lacks low end, the envelops are also pretty clicky.
Yeah, the clicky envelopes. Those were in some sounds here the only way to distinguish them. On my Jupiter 6 I try to never pull the Env faders to full zero, or at least push them up a bit again til the clicking goes away. They are still very snappy that way.
I reckon the Super6 is best at NOT sounding like a Jupiter-6. It does the glassy, polished morphing stuff that you can't do on Jupiter-6. Jupiter-6 However is all about that high pass filter ;)
Hey Starsky - really interesting. I had a Roland Juno or Jupiter or J-Something-or-other back in the day but didn't keep it for long. The Super 6 controls are obviously Roland-inspired but I didn't know it was so much of a Jupiter clone :-) However, it's a really great comparison and will help folks with J-lust :-) The Super 6 is perhaps not a direct replacement but it can do much, much more. And it's much, much cheaper :-)
George Herne (the designer) says it has more in common with the Jupiter 8 in terms of controls - you can see that in a visual comparison - and he says the Jupiter 6's controls are of cheaper quality than the Jupiter 8 (the Super 6 design having a philosophy of long-lasting, high quality controls) . The sound is supposed to be more inspired by Moog and Sequential sound-wise.
As always - great video Starsky..!! Super 6 sounds very muted and dull compared to the Jupiter 6...why, when over 35 years of technology have passed..??!!
Nice one - has made me think about going for the hat-trick. Always loved the Juno 106 and JP8 and thought I was happy with those ... the JP 6 passed me by as I never actually played one ... this has made me think that I might have to be stupid and do one more. You'll be the ruin of me ... :))))
@@StarskyCarr I didn't back then - Managed to get in before they went totally insane though. If you ever want one for review and if I'm passing through back up North, l could maybe drop her off for a few days. Keep up the great reviews 👍
@@DoctorJezz so you’ve left us for sunnier climes down south? But when you’re passing through I’d LOVE to have a couple of days alone with the beauty ❤️ 😂 even if it’s in a couple of years time I’m already excited !!
Good video! Just wanna point out that there are currently issues with the Super6 summing to mono. In non-binaural mode the synths voices still pan and when recorded in mono it sounds a bit hollow. UDO is currently addressing this however. That could explain why the Super6 sounds a bit more dull in this comparison.
Good idea, but I unplugged one of the outputs so it’s definitely mono. 😀 … for just that reason actually. I thought if I summed it then it wouldn’t be a simple single signal…
@@StarskyCarr As far as I understand, when you just have the L side connected, it sums the L/R to mono, and that's where the issue arises. Since there is some panning going on on non binaural mode, you end up with notches in certain frequencies. I'm not 100% sure on that however, that's just something I noticed myself and read in forums. I'm not too worried about it, as UDO has already mentioned they are working on that issue. As far as comparing the two synths, seems like they both are great, you might need both of them! I would love to see more travel on the filter env on the Super 6. I honestly didn't even notice that til now, but it would certainly be nice to have the full range.
@@BusinessDuck69 aah OK ..thats interesting. I have to say it definitely sounded like a single sawtooth.. not a summed version but who knows? Thanks for the info.
I have my beloved S6, I also used a J6 many years ago but I still remember it very well. I think the S6 has more warmth , and of course it’s a modern machine , but for me I can push the S6 into some bizarre limits , it depends what we use them for I know , but that’s my little opinion ,Oh !!, apart from / I learned a long time ago that having 2 poly synths at the same time drains all my energy 😂
As a new owner of a Super 6, I did not realize how close a descendant is was of the Jupiter. Kind of sad there's a few J6 faders that are just switches on the Super. Also, I wish that LFO1 had both ramp UP and ramp Down. We all know that Laser Beams make a downward swoosh sound!!
@@StarskyCarr Yup no doubt it's a great synth, but as usual it's just cemented my love for the J6. The S6 sounded muted in comparison and as soon as the filter comes in to play it's all over. Roland squelch 4 lyf. I'd still like to have a proper test of the S6 need to check in again and see if the Juno showroom is open, even though it's no Jupiter I can imagine really liking it. One of the biggest factors for me is how inviting a synth is to explore and interact with and you can't beat chunky sliders and that classic layout!
Let's also not forget that this is a hobbled Jupiter, with x-mod somehow broken, and its filter modded to not self-oscillate. I feel like making a vid myself of just these two functions to show them working as they should. In any case Starsky, I think you've done a great job demonstrating how much of the vibe of the JP-6 is captured in the UDO. I like the Super 6 very much, but since I already have the JP-6, as well as a DW6000 and a few Ensoniqs, I struggle to find a place for it in my setup, especially with my previously stated disdain for 4-octave keyboards on beefy polysynths. The binaural stuff is cool, but I can (and do) achieve that and more with careful layering of other synths.
Being a Sup 6 owner I can only say this, it’s the only synth in 30 years that moves me… If you want “gritty” sounds, Rolands are not the way to go, you have other “beasts”
I love that you really considered all FB complaints from us naggy Jupiter6 owners :D But its very obvious that you learned to like the Jupiter more than in the first video. Does the Super6 also emulate the very inconvenient qurik of the Jupiter6 that the performance section settings cant be saved in a patch, because its fully analogue? This would by outright stupid on the Super6 :D
Great comparison thanks. Like the super 6 sound, especially the stereo filters...but I’m also shocked 😱 as I hadn’t realised an entire octave of keys seem to have been missed! ( until it was put next to a 61 key never realised it was only 4 octaves). Yes it’s got great features....but In my opinion this is pretty unacceptable in a synth in this price range😒
The Hydrasynth and the Minifreak are far more exciting than the Super 6 in my opinion and if your looking at the next big thing the Osmose by Expressive E is going to take the world by storm. 😎
@@kadiummusic Not impressed by any of these, tbh. Osmose and Hydrasynth have the cool comtroller inputs, but don’t love the synth engines of any of these. I maybe prefer the S6 sound, out of all of them … but there are other fully analog synths (VCO and DCO) that I would buy first. I’d buy a P12 or Pro 2 before any of these, too.
Wuau for the Super 6, great video thank you for sharing, I am wondering if the newest firmware on the Super 6 makes a difference for this kind of match, thank you
Looking at this, the Jupiter 6 was way ahead of its time. They don't make em like that anymore. The Super 6 sure is a nice synth. But not only does the Jup 6 look a hell of a lot better imo, it doesn't sound worse than that synth which is 40 years younger. Hats off to the team that built the Jup 6 and 8 etc. I have an old JX3P and a JX10. Never gonna sell em
If you can light up both OSC sync directions at the same time that Jupiter 6 has the EUROPA MOD which is a drop in replacement CPU that came from Synthcom Systems in the early 2000s. It completely transforms the synths abilities bringing it up to a much more modern midi spec. The big deal here is it makes (most) all the sliders and knobs send as well as receive midi CC. That actually means it can perform the same "binaural" trick as the UDO by double tracking the synth and panning the tracks oppositely. Because of the midi CC ability all realtime parameter changes will playback identically for your second pass. I owned a JP6 since the mid 90s and got the Europa Mod when it first came out. It's really a great sounding synth and in my opinion the closest modern sound to it is the original Korg Minilogue. The UDO 6 maybe great but they are digital oscillators so it's really not able to be an accurate comparison. You can argue with me about that all day long but many people feel they analog oscillators do indeed sound different. I'm not saying better, just different.
Just FYI it definitely doesn’t have the Europa mod. I’ve not been able to replicate that since - a weird one. It’s not been touched since the 80s. And you’re right they’re different which I think this shows quite well.
One thing with the Super 6's FPGA oscillators is the designer can have them perform and respond exactly as they want, even in random, chaotic, noisy ways to emulate a noisy, micro-inconsistant performance that may well create a more organic feel.. (not that I'm suggesting is the reason for analogue sounding so - I'm just giving an example) the sound really is down to the designer with this technology. What is possible does depend on the processing eaten up.. but Gearge Herne says there's a lot going spare in this implementation, with efficient programming. Getting them to sound more analogue may be something that's possible down the line with the deeper programming software being considered down the line. Apparently - from reading some old Q&As - provision for drift in unique amounts for all parameters on the synth is there in the current programming. Just not implemented yet nor a way to make that user definable - again, when/if any deeper programming software comes out, the synth will kind of be expanded further.
I suppose if I could've gotten a Jupiter 6 when they were affordable or even cheap. When no one wanted them, then fine. Now $6000-$10,000. No way. Almost(not quite) as ridiculous as vintage guitars have gotten. The cost does not justify the reward. 99.99% of music buyers/listeners won't know and won't care. I'm sure some vintage "enthusiast" will get mad that a nobody on TH-cam had an opinion. I've had a few vintage synths, guitars, amps, effects. The mojo seemed to be 100% in my head. Different yes. Better? That's as subjective as best pizza place.😂
Yeah this was more. Vintage vs modern test. When the s6 was released there were also lots of folks saying how it was based on the s6. That’s quietened down now, as it’s obviously not.
Do you still have the Juptier 6 and Polybrute in the studio? I'd love to see a comparison between the two. Maybe a shootout between the Super 6 Polybrute and Jupiter 6?
Yes, I don't think its a particularly difficult sound to emulate...although tbh brass sounds aren't my thing and if there's a particular resonance, grit or vibe you like I can't really say how close it would be to your ears.
On the Hydrasynth if you duplicate mod slots you get more bang for your buck. Maybe if you do that on the Super 6 you'll get the mod insanity that the Jupiter allows for.
Great review! No stackable waveforms on the Super6? Super6 is not Bi-Timbral?! And so many other things that make the Jupiter 6 special is left out on Super6. Why not recreate it and add to it instead of making a cheaper version?!
No binaural? And no DDs?! No loadable custom waveforms?! And it's three times the cost?!? ....They're different synths. UDO never set out to make a Jupiter 6 clone, look to Behringer for that.
In your opinion of course. Personally, I’d rather have the reliability of a modern super, whether that’s 6 or Gemini, the latter of which crushes the Jupiters for sonic capability.
Udo super 6 against every damn synth you put it up against is too soft, the cutoff always sounds dull at the top, if that one thing was fixed, this this would be flying off shelves and there would be a wait list for them. I'd buy one too. Dull sounding typical modern synth.
I don't know but the jupiter 6 oscillators sound very nice vintagey with this tiny touch of pitch instability and the udo ones sound like a native instruments plugin.
Subjective, if you don't like the Super 6 sound fair enough. I think it's gorgeous. Just wanted to note that Super 6 has a slop setting (Shift + PWM) similar to the P6/Ob6/P10 rev4 if you're missing the vintage 'instability' vibe.
It's like comparing Messi to Ronaldo. Ronaldo can do everything with lot's of hard work and spirit but Messi was born to it and infinitely more pleasing on the eye. £2100? I want to hear uniqueness and character regardless of digital or analogue and I think the Super6 might lack that from what I've heard online.
The comparison for me ended at 12 minutes. These synths are based on SUBTRACTIVE synthesis. If you do not have sufficient high harmonics to subtract you already started WRONG! That's why it's very dificult to take these new analog synths seriously. This convinces me that ASM guys are right... "DIGITAL IS THE NEW ANALOG".
A stupid comment really. UDO has plenty of harmonics plus the PPG style stuff. The Super 6 is a more carefully considered instrument. The Jupiter 6 is more cobbled together, if we can say that. It's more capable on paper, in reality it's not got half the sweet spots the UDO has.
@@alan-nf4qx Very smart your comment, just remember that we shouldn't even be making comparisons with technology from 40 years ago, but we are. Guess why? Because today's synthesizers simply lose in many ways to the old ones. The lack of harmonics on the waveform comparison is a BAD thing, you can say what you want, but this is a fact. When you test a sawtooth with the filter opened you MUST pass as much high frequencies as possible.
@@randommechanism5197 You sound confused … Hydrasynth? That has similar issues with lack of heft, as the S6 does, compared to a fully-analog, VCO synth. Having said that … with the other synths I have, I’d go for the Hydrasynth … but it would be mostly used for Industrial / trashy sounds. (Which is not to say I don’t think it can pull some great pseudo-analog tones, for a fully-digital synth, because it can … but then, I haven’t compared it to U-he Diva …).
Near as makes no difference. If you're into kudos, pay for the original. If you're into actual music making, and you want the closest emulation, that NOBODY will know or care about in a mix, buy this Super 6 thing. Excellent comparison though.
What about the UB-Xa? ;) Dang it. Saw sounds make my brain produce an artifact sound the moment the key isn't pressed anymore. It sounds like the sparkling of a glass of mineral water or Coke.
I loved the sounds I could get from the JP8000 but got fed pop with the sounds being referred to from the performance patches.. rather than having individual tones for each. I kept on overwriting stuff... got too frustrated in the end I just couldn't learn!!
Sorry dude but you really can’t compare these instruments. Other than they look similar. Totally different in every way. Analogue VCO VCF. VCA I found the JP6 one of most drab synths I’ve ever owned. I’d take a JX3P over it every day. Probably worth £5k if your a collector but all these old Roland’s are on borrowed time.
Why are you sorry? Watch this and my JP6 video to see were in agreement on a lot of things. 😀 just because I’m comparing doesn’t mean I think they’re the same. In fact I find quite the opposite here - which is why I showed people that there are distinct differences. 🤷♂️ maybe you’ve not actually watch this in full yet… or just assumed from the title?
@@StarskyCarr hi starsky. You are correct I didn’t watch the video to the end and probably assumed too much. I’ll watch it to the end and watch your jp6 vid. Then reply again. Perhaps the keyboard warrior showed up too early. Best regards.
Ok so let’s put this to bed. 1. I’ve just watch the whole video and it was great. I completely missed the point. 2. My original comment was incorrect and I honestly feel like a giant tit. 3. Perhaps if I’d used my JP6 to its full potential I’d still have it. I’ve got a new respect for it. 4. Would you like me to remove my comments as basically it was a twatty comment. 5. I’ve learned to watch and listen to the end. Soreeee.
For more Super 6 info : th-cam.com/video/pkcgQxIXH24/w-d-xo.html
For more on the Jupiter 6: th-cam.com/video/s3txen_1yfg/w-d-xo.html
Starsky, I just noticed that the S6´s oscillators are duller than the J6 ones. Is it possible to do another video using J6´s oscillators cycles to hear how they behave once played by the S6´s oscillators? maybe this can compensate for the lack of high end, maybe it´s some kind of technical limitation. Thanks!
Prophet 6 or Super 6
@@pradbitt It's on its way ;)
Excellent fun comparison! I will always love the Roland Jupiter-6!
Yes! 14.33 you go right into the JP's secret toolbox. I've never seen anyone else on the Tube get into those 'modular' type sounds it does so well - brilliant work fella!
I love how both of them make a saw wave and then, another wave if you like. My grandma once did a saw wave with a pulse wave. My grandfather was heartbroken. A trend of heart break is not acceptable.
As the ex Roland UK senior engineer, I had a soft spot for the JP-6 over the JP-8 (which was softer and went out of tune a lot). All I can add is that the JP-6 was harder to repair than the 8, the cross mod fault is either an adjustment or a faulty decoder IC. If you want the JP-6 sound, you won't get the warmth or character from the UDO, I also liked the JX-3P as well over the JX-8P
"Faulty crossmod" as in Starrsky's Jupiter-6 has broken cross-mod or all Jupiter-6 have broken cross-mods ?
Give me a quid for every time a comment starts with “As a” or “As the” and I’ll be a billionaire. So overused and unnecessary.
what was your impression of the Super JX-10? Also i see no reason for the As a comment...try to be more constructive
@@helisoma Not sure why people are commenting on the 'As'; it is my way of introducing myself - working inside Roland, I saw a lot of Roland gear and gained a lot more experience than the average person. I have been 35 years with Roland this month. In my personal experience and opinion, the JX-10 was a great synth and reliable, but the factory patches were lame, and it could be programmed to sound a lot better. I probably worked on about 35 of these at Roland, including the ones used by Prefab Sprout and UB40. I have earned my stripes AS a senior engineer and feel I am more than worthy to make a commitment.
@@delatronics3257 yes sorry I was referring to @X22GJP reply that his reply was unnecessary...thanks so much for your input here its amazing to see a Roland engineer. This year I plunged into hardward collecting and got a Juno-6, Korg Prophecy, JX-10 (love it...although need an external controller...its got the Vecoven 3.xx upgrade but the patches are unknown to me and I don't know if any are factory...they don't correspond to factory patches but sound really good) and most recently a JP-8000 (needs new caps).
Thank you, very interesting review ... Love this beast of a Jupiter 6!
I've owned both (sold the jp-6 a few years back).
I recently had a chance to purchase another Jupiter 6 or a super 6, and I went for the super 6. The super 6 has so much potential. There are a lot of things this synth can do nothing else I've touched can do.
The only thing I miss from the Jupiter 6 are the option to select multiple shapes per oscillator, however with the super 6 you can import new waveforms so in theory you could create this to import. The wild bandpass filter on the Jupiter 6 is definitely underrated as well.
The Super 6 has a lot of hidden features including a detune feature to simulate random variation per oscillator (recently added earlier this year) and parameters (shift menu item). Looping envelopes and ability to key track also add some cool unique sound options.
Yeah… the modulation abilities are also amazing on the S6
Very close cousins. Even though some patches are spot on, there is something more clinical about the same patch when played on the UDO. Even the harmonic interplay oscillates or "beats" at a more perfect rate on the UDO. The JP6 is magically imperfect.
A huge pro for Super 6 is the ability to "borrow" waveform to the LFO1 - since that is main modulator for the top control row, having weird waves both in hp an sub mode can lead to cray fm and even crazier modulations.
I would have thought the Polybrute would be the best choice to approximate a Jupiter 6. Fully analogue with VCOs and envelopes that seem inspired by the Jupiter. Envelope curves are the same out of the box I think (Logarithmic attack with exponential decay/release) and you can change them around in the settings. I think all Roland poly synths from the 80s had exponential curves in ADR stages. You also get that multi-mode filter and flexibility around how you route stuff through them so that should help get into Jupiter 6 territory. I think that's the secret in part anyway; the envelope curves.
Polybrute tends towards brighter sounds, though (imho) - for an analog synth
Still not selling my J6 I guess. :-) Interesting how your opinion on the Jupiter from the first video went from "This is a bit old and limited" to "Hmm, maybe it can't really be matched" in this one. The Jupiter 6 is a study in extremes - in the "middle" so to speak it can be sharp edges and crunchy, but pushed outside where most synths will go it has a unique character that is very hard to replicate with modern keyboards.
I’m definitely on a journey. And i thought it was more interesting to show this in these (and more to come) than try to put wverything in a single video - which would be far too complex and wouldn’t demonstrate how unique characteristics can infuse character and why vintage synths cause such impassioned discussions. … but are still well overpriced for what they do!! 😂
Quality stuff! Channel should be huge!
Harsh and gritty, thin and weedy, perfect description of how SOME of the sounds on the JP6 are unique and can be hard to work with, but it can also do beefy when you tweak it. Cross mod effects on the JP6 are sometimes really effective. The JP6 is mostly way more gritty than the S6, which sometimes sounds very toyish. To my ear, the JP6 has some magic the S6 rarely demonstrates.
The Jupiter-6 LFO-1 goes from 0.04Hz to 100Hz, and it's written in the manual that the random mode even goes to 400Hz, making the JP-6 the record holder both for slowest running LFO and fastest running LFO in the vintage synth category. And even today you rarely see LFOs in those ranges, the exception being wavetable synths. Same for the filters, going from 5Hz to 30kHz, the biggest range around, and each enveloppe stage can be as long as 20 seconds. This is really a synth that pushed things to their limits. Such an underrated marvel
Nice info... thanks. :)
Love these reviews - all this debate etc of synths is fantastically exciting - we are indeed in fortunate times ( musically speaking)
Great video! I would love to see even more of the JUPITER-6 very glad owner here! Thanks!
I just want to tell you that I was very impressed with your detailed comparison of these 2 synths. Fantastic. I was equally impressed with how quickly you navigated both of them. It was very impressive.
I must tell you, however, that I didn't find it to be a very fair, or dare I say, a very useful comparison. I mean, it was certainly interesting, and it highlighted what an amazing synth the Jp6 really is - especially when you consider it's almost 40 years old. I would have rather seen you compare it to the Arturia Polybrute or the new Sequential P10. I'm pretty sure it would have beaten those, and it would have been a more appropriate sonic comparison - even though the feature set on all 3 of those synths is quite different.
For some very strange reason, people compare the UDO Super 6 to the early '80s Rolands (Jp6, 106, etc), and I have No Idea why - other than looks (the sliders/knobs). Clearly, our eyes influence us far more than our ears even though we're musicians. : )
I own a Super 6. I have not owned a Jp6 in close to 20 years. (You certainly made me miss it : ), but I still own a Jupiter 8. In fact, at the time, the reason I got rid of my Jupiter 6 is because I found that it never sat that well in the mix for my taste. It was too harsh/reedy ("reedy" being the term you used a couple of times). Of course, that's just an opinion, and it would certainly depend on the music you make.
I believe a far more meaningful comparison is to think of the Super 6 as a Modern Day PPG Wave or Prophet VS. (Yes, I know the Proph VS is a Vector Synth, and the the PPG a Wavetable Synth, etc...but to me, the S6 is far more like those synths, than an early 80's Roland).
-The S6 uses Single Cycle Digital Waves into an Analog Filter. I believe everything else is digital, except the VCA's. The Jp6 is an All Analog Synth.
-The S6 (Super 6) is a Stereo/Binaural Synths. The Jupiter 6 is Mono. At the beg of your review, and I totally get why you did it, but you ripped out half the magic of the S6. In the S6 manual, it literally says, "...We highly rec'd making use of the stereo outputs - after all, you've just acquired a superb binaural synthesizer." Similarly, the Prophet VS actually had a sticker on the synth itself that said, "Attention: Stereo Hook-Up Required for Optimum Performance." That's how important Sequential felt it was 35 years ago. They put an ugly red sticker right on the face of the synth.
-I believe the Jp6 excels at blippy, buzzy, gnarly sounds like you demonstrated. I agree with your comments on the Modulations on the Jp6 being more extreme, and it has more features that highlight its capabilities than the S6. The Super 6 has other features that speak to its capabilities, such as being able to spread the voices, a phase slider on the LFO, etc. The UDO Super 6 (IMHO) excels at pads. It's warmer sounding, and more subtle sounding than the Jp6. It's beauty is in its sonic subtleties. If I were going to lay a Pad, I would reach for the S6 all day long over the Jp6. If I wanted a gnarly lead sound, I'd reach for the Jp6 all day long over the S6.
I don't think your question should have been, "Should the S6 replace your Jp6?" I think your review should have highlighted the differences rather than the similarities, and thus, demonstrated where the S6 excels over the Jp6. For example, at 23:30 you can clearly hear - at least to me - the warmer, trippier sounding S6, while you struggled to even keep the Jp6 in tune. Thus, the question should have been, "Do you need both the S6 and the Jp6?" : )
Needless to say, I think the Super 6 is the best sounding synthesizer to come out in the last 20 years. (I'm not talking price or feature set. Only sonic magic). I owned the Polybrute and the Prophet 10. They're really nice synths, but they don't beat synths made 40 years ago. At least that's what I discovered in my A/B tests. That would include the new Prophet 10, which I A/B next to a Proph 5 Rev 2. When you try and mimic the sounds, and then compare them in a static state to each other, you can't tell the diff, but when you compare them to each other while you're altering the sound - meaning while you're opening the filter, turning up the rez, etc, the vintage version, for me, pulled ahead. I think the Super 6 offers something unique, while not simply trying to replicate the past.
Woah… that’s a big one 😂 but your point is spot on. That’s exactly why I made this. So many superficial comparisons between the 2 synths I thought I’d put the evidence out there for all to see and more importantly hear.I’m not sure it’s confusing - here are 2 synths… ones being compared to the other so how do they stack up?
It’s not an in-depth review of all the functions of each… it’s a demoing if the super 6 can match the idiosyncrasies of the Jupiter. (I’ve got separate videos for each synth)
And I’d love to compare it to a PPG.. but I only have a Jupiter 6 here. I’ve not actually got every synth ever made in the kitchen 😂😂 but if anyone’s got one they’d like to send over for a couple of weeks I’d love them to get in touch.
Thanks for the comments.
I had the S6 next to the P5 last night actually and programmed a couple of the P5 sounds on it… it immediately takes you to new places. I’m a big fan of the S6… it’s just not a replacement for a Jupiter 6 if you like to take the JP6 to its extremities.
@@StarskyCarr Fair enough. I certainly wasn't looking to start a fight. : ) Sorry I misunderstood you. It's just that you very much set the vid up as a comparison - one versus the other - and asked the question, could the S6 "fulfill the role of the Jp6," and judging from the comments, I think most people took your question quite literally. I was one of those people. Hence, my initial post. I just don't know if the question is relevant given that the two synths are quite different. I mean, given what you're saying, I suppose you could have taken any synth and asked that question. Thx for clearing it up, and I look forward to watching more of your videos. To me, a very interesting comparison - if you really want to compare apples to apples - would be to put the Jupiter 6 up against the Polybrute (if you were able to borrow one). That would be interesting. Vintage Analog versus New Analog.
@@Pacer416 Haha.. maybe my reply was too curt.. but typing on this phone takes ages! No offence taken here :). I've a Prophet 6 vs Jupiter 6 coming soon... vintage vs modern 6 voice VCO synths... we think along the same lines ;)
@@StarskyCarr Prophet 6 versus Jp6 will be very cool! You may also want to consider doing another edition of Jp6 versus UDO Super 6, but focussing on Pads - doing some in mono for a direct comparison, but then doing some in binaural so people can really understand what binaural sounds like. I'd never even heard the term "binaural" until I got the S6. The reason I'm pushing is that I really feel the S6 is the ONLY new synth to come out in 20 years that gives the classics a run for the money, sonically speaking, in some respects - namely in creating beautiful, full, organic pads, which rival the Prophet VS/PPG Wave 2.2./2.3. As you pointed out, the S6 has a beautiful, deep bass, which wasn't really relevant in the way you chose to showcase the 2 synths. I would have just loved for people to really experience that - and comparing the S6 to a vintage synth, like the Jp6, is a great way to do it. Anyway, you probably want to move on, but thanks for the banter. I appreciate it, and I look forward to more of your vids. (I feel a bit bad with my comments because you must be thinking, "no good deed goes unpunished! : )
@@Pacer416 I may do something like that against the P5…. The Jp has left the building :)
Thanks so much for this video. The Jupiter 6 is the only classic jupiter most could ever hope to afford at this point. I've been curious to see how these two compared. Found both the similarities and differences very interesting and surprising in several points. I wonder if UDO doesn't watch this and try to expand the S6's modulation ranges.
Owned both Jupiters over the decades, and frankly they are good synths but overrated. I’m not sorry i sold them; these days my keeper synths are a Prophet X and a Matriarch with modular. Sampled the heck out of the oscillators on the Jupes before selling, dropped samples into the Prophet and the Jupe oscillators thru that amazing new stereo Rossum filter just *crush* the sound of the J8. #opinion
People worship the J8 because it’s the best-looking synth ever created and it has good oscillators and envelopes. But honestly filter on the J8 is simply nowhere near as good as a Juno 6/60, Moog or Sequential filter. #unpopularopinion
I’d still consider buying a Juno 60, but i do not miss my Jupiters (or the MKS-80).
@@sub-jec-tiv Agreed. All those legacy synths are overrated, tbh … especially when you take into account the repair / maintenance costs and hassle thereof you would have to endure owning them. Several fantastic sounding modern synths around, anyway!!
@@kierenmoore3236 yeah totally. I had to service my 101 a few times over the years to assure it stayed in tune and behaved correctly. Pain in the neck, and costly. Eventually just sold it. I can understand why people love the originals, they do sound beefy af. Plus they look cool and it’s braggable. But I’m a musician not a collector or an Instagrammer… there are contemporary synths that sound just as good. Even plugins are getting crazy. Especially Softube’s synths. Their 101 is almost indistinguishable (and i owned a 101 for 20+ years).
Jupiter wins in every aspect. The difference in tone quality is abysmal. I think the Super 6 excels more in the hybrid PPG DW8000 area. Its a lovely synth at that. This review, compared to the JP6 one, is infinitely better... great, great job!
@@roberttodd2414 indeed
Subjective opinions are subjective 😂
Abysmal? Hahahaha. No.
what happened to your voice at 8:08 lol? wild that a £2k 12 voice polysynth can be a cheaper option, great video
Aaaargh…. I’ve not turned the camera mic off in that clip…. That’s a first!
@@StarskyCarr Rewinded to check if I'd missed a reverb pun 😆
Haha… love it :)
It went bineural
Thanks for the comparison. I believe once you delve further into the Jupiter 6, you'll realize the JP-6 is far more complex than it first appears. The Super 6 sounds really good though. I have never seen a Super 6 in person, what is the build quality like?
Keep on watching... the JP comes into its own ;). Build quality on the Super6 is superb..
The super 6 is a tank. Built very well.
@@raelic3 Yup! I am really enjoying my shiny blue Super 6.
Nice video as always Starsky. I didn't appreciate how compact the Super 6 is compared to the Jupiter.
Thank you for the helpful comparison. You really show us what these two machines can do. Beautiful sounds at the end there with judicious use of effects.
Everyone should just get the S6, as a Jupiter owner I do deal with the temperament of a synth that is getting close to 40 years old and it can be a serious drag. The S6 is an amazing value and you show that here.
Great video as always. The JP6 sounds more bright and a little more agressieve. Do you think this difference can be corrected by using an EQ with a high boost maybe?
An important lesson was learned today...
Starsky needs a JP-6!!!
(but not that one, it's been neutered)
Strange, mine sounds exactly the same. I thought the filter sound was due to them being digital.
@@MegaBadgeman What is digital?
@@SacSynths_Jack_Z It's where computer technology is used to replace analogue technology. On the Prophet 600 ( I own both a Prophet 600 and a Jupiter 6) the circuits involved with number crunching like the seq , arpeggiator, LFO's and envelopes are calculated via the processor but the oscillators and filters are analogue. You can tell by setting the resonance to ten causing it to self oscillate then move the cutoff up and down, if you listen you hear the cutoff moving in steps. But the sound is very analogue. The Jupiter 6 filters heard here (and on mine) don't self oscillate at all for some reason. You should be able to hear the filter self oscillation on it's own. As I said, it's what I thought so I may be wrong in this instance.
Starrsky's JP-6 in indeed in dire need of service, in every department, wether it be enveloppes, filters, oscillators, sliders and knobs...
Man your timing for videos couldn’t be worse for my wallet. Been looking at the Super 6 for a while but pretty sure this will be the next purchase now.
Super 6 and Ob6 are my two favorites from the past 10 years.
@@FakeGlasses Which would you go for if you can only have one. Thanks Andrew
Great video !! I have recently changed from a Juno 106 to a Jupiter 6 thinking it would do all the old jobs the 106 did and more. I have to say as much as I now love the Jupiter 6 it’s not the most immediate synth to connect with which I also felt was your reaction in your first review.it really lacks low end, the envelops are also pretty clicky.
Yeah, the clicky envelopes. Those were in some sounds here the only way to distinguish them. On my Jupiter 6 I try to never pull the Env faders to full zero, or at least push them up a bit again til the clicking goes away. They are still very snappy that way.
saftpackerl yep that’s what I do also. very strange that nobody ever questioned it in the build stage.
I reckon the Jupiter s growing on you careful you want to keep it
I reckon the Super6 is best at NOT sounding like a Jupiter-6. It does the glassy, polished morphing stuff that you can't do on Jupiter-6. Jupiter-6 However is all about that high pass filter ;)
I reckon it is too…. There was just so much talk about how they were similar I think from people who’d seen images but not tried either tbh!
Sure, if money is no object.
Next on the today's show we compare the Kia Stinger to the Bugatti Chiron.
Loving your new (video) production skillz! And great synth chops as always!
The more time you spend with the JP-6, the better it gets!
Hey Starsky - really interesting. I had a Roland Juno or Jupiter or J-Something-or-other back in the day but didn't keep it for long. The Super 6 controls are obviously Roland-inspired but I didn't know it was so much of a Jupiter clone :-) However, it's a really great comparison and will help folks with J-lust :-) The Super 6 is perhaps not a direct replacement but it can do much, much more. And it's much, much cheaper :-)
George Herne (the designer) says it has more in common with the Jupiter 8 in terms of controls - you can see that in a visual comparison - and he says the Jupiter 6's controls are of cheaper quality than the Jupiter 8 (the Super 6 design having a philosophy of long-lasting, high quality controls) . The sound is supposed to be more inspired by Moog and Sequential sound-wise.
@@natdenchfield8061 Didn't know where the sound inspiration came from. It seems to have a sound of its own, especially with the binaural bits.
As always - great video Starsky..!! Super 6 sounds very muted and dull compared to the Jupiter 6...why, when over 35 years of technology have passed..??!!
Nice one - has made me think about going for the hat-trick. Always loved the Juno 106 and JP8 and thought I was happy with those ... the JP 6 passed me by as I never actually played one ... this has made me think that I might have to be stupid and do one more. You'll be the ruin of me ... :))))
I never knew you had a JP8… lucky you 😀
@@StarskyCarr I didn't back then - Managed to get in before they went totally insane though. If you ever want one for review and if I'm passing through back up North, l could maybe drop her off for a few days. Keep up the great reviews 👍
@@DoctorJezz so you’ve left us for sunnier climes down south? But when you’re passing through I’d LOVE to have a couple of days alone with the beauty ❤️ 😂 even if it’s in a couple of years time I’m already excited !!
@@StarskyCarr Yes Berkshire - let me know if you’re down this way or I’ll be in touch if I’m back up North 👍
Time for loopop to take a seat back. :)
Awesome channel!
Good video! Just wanna point out that there are currently issues with the Super6 summing to mono. In non-binaural mode the synths voices still pan and when recorded in mono it sounds a bit hollow. UDO is currently addressing this however. That could explain why the Super6 sounds a bit more dull in this comparison.
Good idea, but I unplugged one of the outputs so it’s definitely mono. 😀 … for just that reason actually. I thought if I summed it then it wouldn’t be a simple single signal…
@@StarskyCarr As far as I understand, when you just have the L side connected, it sums the L/R to mono, and that's where the issue arises. Since there is some panning going on on non binaural mode, you end up with notches in certain frequencies. I'm not 100% sure on that however, that's just something I noticed myself and read in forums. I'm not too worried about it, as UDO has already mentioned they are working on that issue. As far as comparing the two synths, seems like they both are great, you might need both of them! I would love to see more travel on the filter env on the Super 6. I honestly didn't even notice that til now, but it would certainly be nice to have the full range.
@@BusinessDuck69 aah OK ..thats interesting. I have to say it definitely sounded like a single sawtooth.. not a summed version but who knows? Thanks for the info.
@@StarskyCarr No problem! So when it comes down to it, do you have a favourite of the two??
@@BusinessDuck69 for making tones.. the Super 6. For vintage intrigue ... Jupiter 6
I have my beloved S6, I also used a J6 many years ago but I still remember it very well. I think the S6 has more warmth , and of course it’s a modern machine , but for me I can push the S6 into some bizarre limits , it depends what we use them for I know , but that’s my little opinion ,Oh !!, apart from / I learned a long time ago that having 2 poly synths at the same time drains all my energy 😂
As a new owner of a Super 6, I did not realize how close a descendant is was of the Jupiter. Kind of sad there's a few J6 faders that are just switches on the Super. Also, I wish that LFO1 had both ramp UP and ramp Down. We all know that Laser Beams make a downward swoosh sound!!
Give me a quid for every time a comment starts with “As a” or “As the” and I’ll be a billionaire. So overused and unnecessary.
Wow) The JP6 sounds so much better and alive)
Just what I've been waiting for, I really REALLY hope this sells me on the Super6...
Its a great synth... I'm not showing all its functions here - just how it stacks up to the 'special' functions on the Jupiter 6.
@@StarskyCarr Yup no doubt it's a great synth, but as usual it's just cemented my love for the J6. The S6 sounded muted in comparison and as soon as the filter comes in to play it's all over. Roland squelch 4 lyf.
I'd still like to have a proper test of the S6 need to check in again and see if the Juno showroom is open, even though it's no Jupiter I can imagine really liking it. One of the biggest factors for me is how inviting a synth is to explore and interact with and you can't beat chunky sliders and that classic layout!
Tip: you have to apply a bit of envelope modultion to open the filter fully on the S6
yeah.. demo'd that on either this or the last one.. but if you watch this it's full open when demoing the overall tone.
@@StarskyCarr cool, there u go :)
That’s little fun clip in there , is a raw S6 out the box , no other enhancements, AND recorded on an iPhone , it can be proper bonkers
Great video!
And now something diferent: Jupiter 8 vs Super-6.
Would love to. If you send over your jp8 I’ll get on I t straight away 😂😂
Let's also not forget that this is a hobbled Jupiter, with x-mod somehow broken, and its filter modded to not self-oscillate. I feel like making a vid myself of just these two functions to show them working as they should.
In any case Starsky, I think you've done a great job demonstrating how much of the vibe of the JP-6 is captured in the UDO. I like the Super 6 very much, but since I already have the JP-6, as well as a DW6000 and a few Ensoniqs, I struggle to find a place for it in my setup, especially with my previously stated disdain for 4-octave keyboards on beefy polysynths. The binaural stuff is cool, but I can (and do) achieve that and more with careful layering of other synths.
Fun comparison, thank you!
Jp6 🚀
Being a Sup 6 owner I can only say this, it’s the only synth in 30 years that moves me…
If you want “gritty” sounds, Rolands are not the way to go, you have other “beasts”
Ok, I'm glad for you my friend. Only that here, the The confrontation is embarrassing and in some situations, the UDO comes out with broken bones.
Tell me how does your S6 sound with a bit of distortion?
@@alexmax9832you sad man. Fanboys are so last year.
@@X22GJP you are sad and not musician
I love that you really considered all FB complaints from us naggy Jupiter6 owners :D
But its very obvious that you learned to like the Jupiter more than in the first video.
Does the Super6 also emulate the very inconvenient qurik of the Jupiter6 that the performance section settings cant be saved in a patch, because its fully analogue?
This would by outright stupid on the Super6 :D
Great comparison thanks. Like the super 6 sound, especially the stereo filters...but I’m also shocked 😱 as I hadn’t realised an entire octave of keys seem to have been missed! ( until it was put next to a 61 key never realised it was only 4 octaves). Yes it’s got great features....but In my opinion this is pretty unacceptable in a synth in this price range😒
I wish these companies would stop reducing the key sixes down to 49 keys to accommodate knob and slider players as opposed to actual keyboard players.
Awesomeness job my Friend.
The Super Six just knocks nearly everything else out of the park imo.
The Hydrasynth and the Minifreak are far more exciting than the Super 6 in my opinion and if your looking at the next big thing the Osmose by Expressive E is going to take the world by storm. 😎
@@kadiummusic Not impressed by any of these, tbh. Osmose and Hydrasynth have the cool comtroller inputs, but don’t love the synth engines of any of these. I maybe prefer the S6 sound, out of all of them … but there are other fully analog synths (VCO and DCO) that I would buy first. I’d buy a P12 or Pro 2 before any of these, too.
i’d LOVE a jupiter 6, but even if i could afford it i’d be too scared to take it to a gig.
Yeah… not a chance 😂
Patiently waiting to see if this ever will show up at Sweetwater.
Wuau for the Super 6, great video thank you for sharing, I am wondering if the newest firmware on the Super 6 makes a difference for this kind of match, thank you
Looking at this, the Jupiter 6 was way ahead of its time. They don't make em like that anymore. The Super 6 sure is a nice synth. But not only does the Jup 6 look a hell of a lot better imo, it doesn't sound worse than that synth which is 40 years younger. Hats off to the team that built the Jup 6 and 8 etc. I have an old JX3P and a JX10. Never gonna sell em
If you can light up both OSC sync directions at the same time that Jupiter 6 has the EUROPA MOD which is a drop in replacement CPU that came from Synthcom Systems in the early 2000s. It completely transforms the synths abilities bringing it up to a much more modern midi spec. The big deal here is it makes (most) all the sliders and knobs send as well as receive midi CC. That actually means it can perform the same "binaural" trick as the UDO by double tracking the synth and panning the tracks oppositely. Because of the midi CC ability all realtime parameter changes will playback identically for your second pass.
I owned a JP6 since the mid 90s and got the Europa Mod when it first came out. It's really a great sounding synth and in my opinion the closest modern sound to it is the original Korg Minilogue. The UDO 6 maybe great but they are digital oscillators so it's really not able to be an accurate comparison. You can argue with me about that all day long but many people feel they analog oscillators do indeed sound different. I'm not saying better, just different.
Just FYI it definitely doesn’t have the Europa mod. I’ve not been able to replicate that since - a weird one. It’s not been touched since the 80s. And you’re right they’re different which I think this shows quite well.
One thing with the Super 6's FPGA oscillators is the designer can have them perform and respond exactly as they want, even in random, chaotic, noisy ways to emulate a noisy, micro-inconsistant performance that may well create a more organic feel.. (not that I'm suggesting is the reason for analogue sounding so - I'm just giving an example) the sound really is down to the designer with this technology. What is possible does depend on the processing eaten up.. but Gearge Herne says there's a lot going spare in this implementation, with efficient programming. Getting them to sound more analogue may be something that's possible down the line with the deeper programming software being considered down the line.
Apparently - from reading some old Q&As - provision for drift in unique amounts for all parameters on the synth is there in the current programming. Just not implemented yet nor a way to make that user definable - again, when/if any deeper programming software comes out, the synth will kind of be expanded further.
I suppose if I could've gotten a Jupiter 6 when they were affordable or even cheap. When no one wanted them, then fine. Now $6000-$10,000. No way. Almost(not quite) as ridiculous as vintage guitars have gotten. The cost does not justify the reward. 99.99% of music buyers/listeners won't know and won't care. I'm sure some vintage "enthusiast" will get mad that a nobody on TH-cam had an opinion. I've had a few vintage synths, guitars, amps, effects. The mojo seemed to be 100% in my head. Different yes. Better? That's as subjective as best pizza place.😂
35:57 … you can’t get anywhere near the best/signature sounds of the J6 (or any good, capable VCO synth) on the S6 … 😕
Great comparison .... to learn how to do some sounds. Both synths are great! I can't hear this toyish thing in the s6.
Through my phone speaker JP6 seems to resonate with my chest in a nicer place. S6 feels more stressy.
Great video. Thank you
Thnaks, very interesting!!
Roland ACB is closer than the S6 … and with all its other shortcomings, you’d be absolutely mad to buy the S6 as a J6 ‘replacement’.
Yeah this was more. Vintage vs modern test. When the s6 was released there were also lots of folks saying how it was based on the s6. That’s quietened down now, as it’s obviously not.
Killer comparison.
What would you say comparing the audio sonics of the Super6 with the OB6?
Do you still have the Juptier 6 and Polybrute in the studio? I'd love to see a comparison between the two. Maybe a shootout between the Super 6 Polybrute and Jupiter 6?
I have the Polybrute but not the JP6 unfortunately. The JP6 died.
@@StarskyCarr shame... I wish your Jupiter a speedy recovery!
@@StarskyCarr😢
@@kierenmoore3236 but I got another!! 😂 and this one works!
The heart of the Udo really is the stereo field. Interesting comparison tho.
Can the super 6 get that classic detuned Jupiter brass sound? Very intrigued by this synth.
Yes, I don't think its a particularly difficult sound to emulate...although tbh brass sounds aren't my thing and if there's a particular resonance, grit or vibe you like I can't really say how close it would be to your ears.
On the Hydrasynth if you duplicate mod slots you get more bang for your buck. Maybe if you do that on the Super 6 you'll get the mod insanity that the Jupiter allows for.
I'll have to give that a go... maybe its possible, or possible in an update. Great idea.
Great review!
No stackable waveforms on the Super6?
Super6 is not Bi-Timbral?!
And so many other things that make the Jupiter 6 special is left out on Super6. Why not recreate it and add to it instead of making a cheaper version?!
No binaural? And no DDs?! No loadable custom waveforms?! And it's three times the cost?!? ....They're different synths. UDO never set out to make a Jupiter 6 clone, look to Behringer for that.
The Unison-Sound of the JP6 is special.
No comparison for me, I'm quite shocked at how dominant the Jupiter 6 is in comparision. 😎
In your opinion of course. Personally, I’d rather have the reliability of a modern super, whether that’s 6 or Gemini, the latter of which crushes the Jupiters for sonic capability.
VCOs … 😎👌🏼
Jupiter sounds better to my ears - the Super 6 has a flat sound in comparison. It becomes more and more obvious throughout the video.
Jupiter 6 >
Jupiter 6 has flashy lights though.
Udo super 6 against every damn synth you put it up against is too soft, the cutoff always sounds dull at the top, if that one thing was fixed, this this would be flying off shelves and there would be a wait list for them. I'd buy one too. Dull sounding typical modern synth.
I don't know but the jupiter 6 oscillators sound very nice vintagey with this tiny touch of pitch instability and the udo ones sound like a native instruments plugin.
No dude...try to do this with a NI plugin... th-cam.com/video/McMKF9ayzns/w-d-xo.html
Subjective, if you don't like the Super 6 sound fair enough. I think it's gorgeous. Just wanted to note that Super 6 has a slop setting (Shift + PWM) similar to the P6/Ob6/P10 rev4 if you're missing the vintage 'instability' vibe.
It's like comparing Messi to Ronaldo. Ronaldo can do everything with lot's of hard work and spirit but Messi was born to it and infinitely more pleasing on the eye. £2100? I want to hear uniqueness and character regardless of digital or analogue and I think the Super6 might lack that from what I've heard online.
Jupiter no doubt - it gets obvious listening to them in later parts of the video.
The comparison for me ended at 12 minutes. These synths are based on SUBTRACTIVE synthesis. If you do not have sufficient high harmonics to subtract you already started WRONG! That's why it's very dificult to take these new analog synths seriously. This convinces me that ASM guys are right... "DIGITAL IS THE NEW ANALOG".
A stupid comment really. UDO has plenty of harmonics plus the PPG style stuff. The Super 6 is a more carefully considered instrument. The Jupiter 6 is more cobbled together, if we can say that. It's more capable on paper, in reality it's not got half the sweet spots the UDO has.
@@alan-nf4qx Very smart your comment, just remember that we shouldn't even be making comparisons with technology from 40 years ago, but we are. Guess why? Because today's synthesizers simply lose in many ways to the old ones. The lack of harmonics on the waveform comparison is a BAD thing, you can say what you want, but this is a fact. When you test a sawtooth with the filter opened you MUST pass as much high frequencies as possible.
@@alan-nf4qx Alan you have no idea what you are talking about.
@@randommechanism5197 You sound confused … Hydrasynth? That has similar issues with lack of heft, as the S6 does, compared to a fully-analog, VCO synth.
Having said that … with the other synths I have, I’d go for the Hydrasynth … but it would be mostly used for Industrial / trashy sounds. (Which is not to say I don’t think it can pull some great pseudo-analog tones, for a fully-digital synth, because it can … but then, I haven’t compared it to U-he Diva …).
I want one....Jupiter 6
Near as makes no difference.
If you're into kudos, pay for the original.
If you're into actual music making, and you want the closest emulation, that NOBODY will know or care about in a mix, buy this Super 6 thing.
Excellent comparison though.
08:05 😜
What about the UB-Xa? ;)
Dang it. Saw sounds make my brain produce an artifact sound the moment the key isn't pressed anymore. It sounds like the sparkling of a glass of mineral water or Coke.
If I can get my hands on a UB-Xa I will :)
Four octaves....hellllll nooooooooo
I still think a JP8000 is a cheaper alternative to the JP6
I loved the sounds I could get from the JP8000 but got fed pop with the sounds being referred to from the performance patches.. rather than having individual tones for each. I kept on overwriting stuff... got too frustrated in the end I just couldn't learn!!
Sorry dude but you really can’t compare these instruments. Other than they look similar.
Totally different in every way.
Analogue VCO VCF. VCA I found the JP6 one of most drab synths I’ve ever owned. I’d take a JX3P over it every day. Probably worth £5k if your a collector but all these old Roland’s are on borrowed time.
Why are you sorry? Watch this and my JP6 video to see were in agreement on a lot of things. 😀 just because I’m comparing doesn’t mean I think they’re the same. In fact I find quite the opposite here - which is why I showed people that there are distinct differences. 🤷♂️ maybe you’ve not actually watch this in full yet… or just assumed from the title?
@@StarskyCarr hi starsky. You are correct I didn’t watch the video to the end and probably assumed too much. I’ll watch it to the end and watch your jp6 vid. Then reply again. Perhaps the keyboard warrior showed up too early. Best regards.
Ok so let’s put this to bed.
1. I’ve just watch the whole video and it was great. I completely missed the point.
2. My original comment was incorrect and I honestly feel like a giant tit.
3. Perhaps if I’d used my JP6 to its full potential I’d still have it. I’ve got a new respect for it.
4. Would you like me to remove my comments as basically it was a twatty comment.
5. I’ve learned to watch and listen to the end. Soreeee.
Hahah… that made me giggle. You’re a gent for coming back :)
what a lovely exchange!
sorry Carr but the shorty synth is really showing its digital side like a bad fitted pair of underwear”