Asmongold Reacts to Stoopzz Quitting WoW after 15 Years
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- Asmongold watches Stoopzz farewell video after deciding to quit World of Warcraft. One of the biggest WoW PvP content creators discusses the main issues with the game that lead him to take this decision. After Madseason, Preach, WillE and now even Stoopzz decided to stop producing WoW videos, will Blizzard ever decide to get back on track? Asmongold discusses...
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Thank you all for watching! If you are new and didn't know Stoopzz before, he is/was one of the biggest WoW PvP content creators, so i strongly recommend you check out his channel, especially now that he will start covering more variety games *th-cam.com/users/StoopzzTV*
We all quit
I’m quitting with Stopzz until solo Q
Well said.
*'Stop wasting players time.'* , game developers & sponsors.
But I think the moneygrab-greed is just too strong.
Activision is just too fat a maggot in the beacon.
Honestly man, I didn't even know to l who you were until like a month ago, I'm not a wow fan and didn't know anyone in this space. I'm following all you WoW creators as you cover other stuff. I'm sorry this happened to a game you loved.
WOW community is Toxic and is trash !!!! try wiping once in a dungeon you'll be called names and insulted. Or try not meta build or try not to do the pull they was some popular streamer or guide pulls.
And do the same thing on FF14 difference is huge we wiped 20 times + at one boss until every new sprout got the mechanic and we finished it.
I was from a poor family so until Cata didn't have my own money to pay for the game so Classic I only played on private server and most of them were terrible bugged.
But Even in Cata people were not that bad ....science then I returned to check every damn Expansion and things and community just got worse and now with Shadowlands we peeked and community toxicity.....
Dungeon Mythic PVP ground all toxic and insults rights and left.
Say something in chat you'll instantly be insulted but some EGo maniac....
WOW is dead to me and WOW community is the WORST SHIT I NEVER SEEN BEFORE IN ANY OTHER MMO
Content Creators quitting left and right. Blizzard "Is the game really this bad? No, it's the Players that are wrong!"
well the players play their part in making a lot of games bad (sellrun, splitruns, toxic behaviour etc.)
@@tft_and_chill no blizzard set the rules
@@tft_and_chill they effectively punished normal gameplay. Banned people who found funny bugs and did stuff with it, ignored the bots destroying the economy, pay2win further pushing boosting.
They pushed out most off the good people out of the game and rewarded booster, pay2win andys and bot user
@Qta yes you're right, but by your logic EVERY game would turn to shit. It's how the developers work with the situation. Work against the sellruns by making them illegal and let people report advertisement for it. same goes for splitruns, but at this point they have absolutely no issue with it. (because, they actually make money with those runs thanks to WoW Tokens) and the toxicity? Well, they remove /split instead of banning people for actual toxic behaviour like kicking someone when he wipes at a boss once, or having a longer ban than 24hours for racist behaviour. Yes the community starts with this shit, but it's the company's job to block this shit, and not just accepting it. Hell, the reason /spit got removed from TBC Classic, is because players spammed it over the guys who were riding on the shopmount. So they did it not really for toxic reasons, it was more because they wanted the $$$
The absolute worst thing about wow for a long time has been their complete inability to listen to their playerbase. They keep doing exactly what a significant part (possibly not the majority, at least yet) of the playerbase does NOT want. Also backwards logic for example with pvp: Not worth to give attention to vs. trying to encourage participation by actually trying to make pvp more balanced and to have new stuff to do etc.
We can easily turn all these reflection videos into a documentary series for television/Netflix
Who watches TV
@@phantomtalesx5788 Those that do
Wuts Television?
Would make a great episode of *_The Games That Made Us_* on Netflix. It _should_ stay honest, but ActiBlizz would want it spun to favor them.
@@SkipsTinyBeard Oh I think we have enough material for a whole season...
Who would've thought. "The wow-killer" would be Blizzard themselves
Basically everyone, every time an expansion comes out people claim it will kill wow, then people rebuttal with "the only thing that kill wow is wow its self"..... Well look at where we are now...... WoW killed its self.
The game is self cannibalizing itself.
Is it Blizzard.. or is it the Players themself? .. i think Blizzard just repond to the big mass. and maybe those few Streamers out there, are not the big Mass...
@@rogerstalder7184 It's blizzard
Such a truth right here.
Man, I'm not even playing the damn game, but this whole wow thing is very entertaining
The story arc of "the whole wow thing" seems a lot better than the actual story telling inside wow.
@@Martin-jm8wi Agreed this is better than any ripped off game they have put out in the last decade. No hardstone is not original no overwatch is not original no the 4th expansion of world warcraft where you add 10 levels is not original.
I honestly can't remember a time where blizzard had an original idea in the last decade.
And it really makes sense when you spend all of your time sexually harassing your female coworkers and doing nothing but getting blacked out drunk. The content they produced mirrors that 100%.
@@charlespanache7047 you gotta remember that wow was not original either, everquest was first and maybe even some other games. Theyve allways been great at stealing stuff, now they just suck at it.
Yeah it seems like all the FF andys that never played wow are the ones super into reading and watching videos about its demise. Very interesting.
@@Martin-jm8wi quick reminder - MMOs by design are not really meant to be story games. I don't play WoW but i've noticed a lot of FF players act like their MSQ is supposed to be ubiquitous across the entire genre.
I’m sure the forums will just say “another streamer”, but Stoopzz focused on reducing the intimidation factor of arena.
His advice to get better by degrees, one thing at a time, while having fun and ignoring your CR instead of just “getting 2400” is the message all new players need to actually get better.
Places like skillcapped have great guides, but he made arena development actually seem possible.
Also: His BFA Holy Pally guides helped me more than I can ever state.
Big loss.
Stoopzz was the modern Swifty for alot of people.
The forums are an echo chamber of trolls and fanboys who spend all day there. The ones with the most posts usually have the least substantive comments. Ignore them.
Just "another streamer".
I wonder what copium tactics will be used when there will like 2 servers left.
Funny, a couple years ago I hated Stoopzz and now...I couldn't agree with you more if you paid me to.
@@ericbentz4597 The forum is a weird place because you need to have a subscription in order to write anything there, so it's kinda like the coin has only one side, but even then, actively paying users are trashing the game there too. Wonder why the fuck do they still pay for it lol.
Every one of these "I quit the game I loved for half or more of my life" videos just make me sad. Like I really feel for people realizing they just aren't having fun with what was a huge part of their lives anymore.
@@BourneSerenity I think making a video about it is more of an acceptance thing for the content creator than anything. If you just stop, you could come back in the future. If you publicly say in your channel that is dedicated just to that single game that you aren't gonna play anymore, that'll work better for you yourself than your viewers.
It's like when Cryfuu left youtube. It was completely out of nowhere for the viewers, and I still miss his videos but he made sure that he'll never come back as a content creator be it on youtube or any other platform. It was his resigning letter to himself, which we got to read.
@@saturationstation1446 that's the point i'm at man. hits hard and i've regretted it for awhile, only recently have i come to terms with it. i can wish i spent the time differently/arguably better, but at least i still enjoyed myself while it lasted
Every one of these "I quit the game I loved for half or more of my life" videos just make me happy. Like I really feel for people realizing they just aren't having fun with what was a huge part of their lives anymore and are finally ready to move on from a toxic relationship.
@@admiraltonydawning3847 Well, my point isn't that I'm sad people are leaving a toxic relationship. It's sad that something that was once beloved has become something toxic.
@@BourneSerenity I'm in your sentiment too. I enjoyed Shadowlands so much so far. I think it's really great - the story, the dungeon/raid mechanics, design, etc. This is coming from someone who's playing World of Warcraft about 10-15 hours a week. You get to do your dailies, maybe farm a little for gold and run one or two mythics. At the end of the week, try to clear SoD and there it is.
Sadly this is what content creating has come to. Yeah, I get it, Blizzard has done some terrible shit which they will pay for, financially and on a human resources dimension, but to be honest if it were me, i'd get myself employed at Blizzard right in this moment. Most successful companies have been born during or shortly after critical times. Recession, financial crisis and so on and I think that's what is happening at Blizzard right now. One company that comes into my mind is the Formula 1 team McLaren. In 2017 they were in deep shit, but they managed to bounce back after a serious restructure.
I think that's what's going to happen at Blizzard in the upcoming months. Restructure and write/improve the plan for the upcoming years.
Until then, let's hear some more content creators moan about a video game.
Have a good week everyone!
Blizzard is collapsing and actually pretending all is fine, it’s sad
Bobby co*cktick even did it to their SHAREHOLDERS lol.. if he can dagger in back, their shareholders none of us have hope.
they think they don't but they do!
If Diablo 4 is a mess the only other thing that can save Blizzard is Overwatch 2 which has rumored issues plaguing it already in addition to Jeff Kaplan having left. So Blizzard really is in a terrible spot and they better fix it or they risk their very existence.
10:27 - According to Blizzard and their system designer Jeff, this too is Asmongolds fault ;).
In the immortal word of Jay Wilson, fuck that guy.
Curse you Asmongold! I didn't know until now, but he was the reason I quit, too! ;)
@@kingofromekor5778 Blizzard simp detected?
I can't imagine how big of a loser you have to be to destroy your own stuff over a game
He trinketed Dragon's Breath and thus died in Cheap Shot 3x + Combustion. It was his fault.
Kind of funny, my parents used to get on my case all the time about playing WoW when I lived at home, until my brother went out and got heavily involved in the drug mess and really screwed a bunch of things up for himself, and I'll always remember my mom saying after one really bad night of this, that maybe me sitting inside and just playing games wasn't such a bad thing after all.
On a more related to the video note, you absolutely nailed the ONE lesson Blizzard should be listening to: STOP WASTING PLAYER'S TIME. Whatever can be said about FFXIV, good or bad, it respects your time FAR more than WoW does.
If I spend an hour or 10 on FFXIV I feel accomplished, WoW makes me feel like I'm wasting my life
That was me with LOL In middle/HS. A lot of old friends getting in drugs and drinking all the time. I was home playing LOL with new friends.
There is a rich middle ground between rampant drug use and reclusive video game addiction.
@@driftwood757 it is not an addiction if you play in you whole free time, only if you reduce the time spent on more important things like household chores or school and work it can be considered as dangerous.
You’re basically saying, “at least it’s not as bad as drugs”. It’s definitely not a good thing though. I always feel I could have learned a new language or furthered my education with the time I spent. It’s ok if you are satisfied with your lifestyle, but it’s so much better to have ambitions and do something more.
It's crazy. Been playing FFXIV for 6 years. I'm lvl 80 in everything, finished with a lot of content. Tonight I logged in, decided to hang with FC for about 30 minutes, then just jumped in random roulettes as heals or tanks to help all the new people with Q times. Then an hour later logged off happy.
Wows Chores are horrible compared. However, I see many players get lost in FFXIV because they look for chores and mandatory content. Then take on everything, directionless and become burned out. It's like WoW has taken the skillet of having fun away and replaced it with an unhealthy work ethic.
Coming from a CE raider, 14 has been so refreshing and eye opening. WoW is so outdated in literally so many ways. Its been years I havent been able to just logon in wow and play the game just for fun. If you don't have any goals in wow like acquiring certain pvp rating or raiding at a,b or c level, there's nothing to it. It's gotten so stale and hollow. WoW could learn so much from 14. Especially in the 'respect your time' department.
Yesterday I discovered the golden saucer and spent half an hour looking at the rewards and eyeing that sick cactus mount, and guess what, it's an achievable grind with a sick reward st the end of it that you know when you'll get it. That type of content is everywhere in that game. Whether its housing, old raids, tmog, etc. The last time we had something like that in wow was Twisting Corridors, and that wasn't even fun, it was just a chore.
I mean, to me, leveling everything to 80 through braindead roulettes you've done 100 times with even worse players who somehow still manage to find a way to make a 15 minute dungeon take 30 through dying to retarded things and doing shit DPS sounds just as bad as Torghast............
@@NegativeNezzy Efficiency versus fun value. There are a lot of other ways to level that dont require brain dead Roulettes, especially if you have other goals in mind. But you are 100% right about Roulettes which is why I don't do them often, except with FC mates.
A couple of players walked up to me today in Uldah (i think thats what the city is called, yk the desert city) and I guess they saw the sprout next to my name so they wanted to say hi. But I was confused, i was waiting to see what they wanted… They just wanted to talk, we had a 30 min conversation and for the first 2 mins I was so confused as to what was happening. I forgot how to play MMOs 😭 its been a week since I joined FFXIV and i’m starting to rmbr why I liked MMOs. Some might think i’m exaggerating but i honestly used to log in to WoW, do all my daily solo shit, then just jump around a capital city for an hour then log off…
the chores takes like 1 hour every week.
I was sitting in-game in FFXIV by a river in Gridania, smoking a doob IRL, enjoying that stellar FF music and thinking to myself... Life is good in Eorzea!
@@douglasdiggins8296 Then go play a game with PvP you like.
@@douglasdiggins8296 there is PVP though. i feel like all these new players think it doesn’t exist at all, it’s not WoW PVP but it’s cool in its own way
Love Gridanias music so relaxing
@@influentialdetour it’s real, it exists, but it’s not an active community as most would imagine. Getting into a BG is average, but ANY other game mode, at least an hour in queue. I mean honestly, the way the combat is set up, I don’t feel this game is truly meant for PvP. This concludes; good game, no PvP.
@@douglasdiggins8296 Because we don’t like player conflict? We get enough person to person conflict yelling at people in TH-cam comments. We don’t need more in our games.
Does anyone else find it ironic the expansion That wow is dying is set within the afterlife? I can’t be the only one who finds it ironic
Now think about the title "Battle for Azeroth."
@@BionicmanJCD it’s all comes together😳
Not only that, it's one where players have to literally go through hell over and over again...
R.I.P. Lands
I don't think it's ironic, I think the devs themselves have secretly made it so that the journey of wow itself is their own internal journey.
This is a really important time in the mmo industry
Agreed.
Not really. It's all too late. MMO do not make money for them anymore. Whole industry is locking in mobile gaming pretty much. Developers pretend caring about MMO as a genre but not anymore as a product. It's just that simple.
@@jameskim1505 All mobile games suck just like Diablo 3.(unless i connect my console controller and play using a stream service that's how mobile games should be)
@@TG-rg6nz revenue numbers don't lie. MMO is not that profitable anymore.
It’s times like these where the right company with the right product can swoop in and make it.
They don't respect their colleagues , the lore, the players or themselves.
This is what killed the game.
_Pure fucking hubris._ /s
every time you post another video of a content creator leaving WoW, i think my favorite part is watching you glow with the nostalgia that bubbles up from old stream videos, and memories that take you back to when you enjoyed the game most. i used to think you were kind of negative person in your streams, but after watching more, i see you were frustrated at the state of a game that used to make you happy. you're actually a very positive person with a balanced viewpoint, that often gives credit where it is due, even when you're critical. i love seeing you light up at the memories of the good times you had with friends playing the games you love most.
Yeah, it's almost like negativity can exist for a purpose and doesn't define the whole picture of a person. His grievances are clearly shared by a great deal of the WoW community, some of whom are much more vulgar than he.
in a few years there's going to be a documentary on netflix called "the fall of WoW" featuring all these big streamers i'm calling it now
Furiously scribbles pitch meeting notes
Or at least a Nerdslayer or Internet Historian video. Lol.
@@Expat_Out_Loud Or a NoClip documentary on it's downfall.
netflix is gonna make all streamers lgbt
@@MrWinczakos LOL
Back in vanilla WoW I never got to lvl60. I was the dude who got to redridge, found burning steppes, started exploring and found my way to the hinterlands at lvl14. I also had so many alts.
Lol I stopped leveling when I hit STV.
I had a similar exploring experience, and even started swimming up the coast from Hinterlands. Was wonderful. I did get that sort of feeling from Breath of the Wild, so if you have a switch I recommend it for that sense of exploration and wonder.
@@ProperlyBasic11 I miss that feeling. Never had it since 2006 2007. A new zone. New mobs etc.
Good times
Haha this is literally me, got to Redridge, found burning steppes, died 100 times and walked go hinterlands. Lmao!
Preach is the craziest one for me. I remember playing MOP and watching preachs class guides. He had like a 1k views per video back then, but they were hands down the absolute best. Bummer dudes, bummer..
That's the first time I remember seeing a Preach video. I watched his guide on Frost DK and it made me so hyped for the class.
I almost cried watching Preach’s video..
@@enragedsun1826 yeah man. Mine was for rogue. I had so much fun back then with that class. To think that looking back at MOP was good compared to now is insane to me. Maybe it is time to move on. The sad state of life unfortunately
@@bronwen4693 I did too. I felt like a grew up with preach in a way
@@TheNumber1jedi I left WoW about 2 months ago and it was almost painful to leave my MM hunter. Now all these amazing content creators are so fed up they’re leaving too. It’s just sad.
While everyone was doing high end shit, i was the one exploring burning steppes at level 17, and dying to the bloody imps.
Does he ever sleep? Every time I turn my pc on there is a new Asmon video.
only ymir knows
@@user-hk5nm5nw3e who’s Ymir?
father of the frost giants lord of the nordic winds, Ymir
I think his eyebrow wiggles prevents him from sleeping for very long
He has a team of editor's that post these videos lol but I agree, man has content flowing all the time!
If I wanted to do chores that badly I wouldn't play a game. Irl skillz bby.
hahaha. so fucking true.
Respect to Stoopzz for wearing his heart on his sleeve with complete honesty on the Internet.
Perfectly said in the end: "Stop wasting players time and they will come back and play the game!"
I feel like this is actually a very big reason that FF14 attracts so many WoW refugees. Yeah a Realm Reborn is pretty unfun to everyone but WoW players but the dev team value your time just as much as they value theirs. A person asked at one of their conventions “what do I do once I cleared all the content?” And Yoshida replied “take a break and come back when you’re ready or when we have a new expansion for you.”
Does anyone have a running tally of how many creators have quit at this point?
Slapping the names from replies here, did not include those on "breaks": Preach, Madseason, Nixxiom, Pyromancer, Quazii, Rich, Pint, Stoopzz, WiLLie, Captain Grimm, Jesse Cox, Zepla
its actually crazy, the game may be going downhill/dieing actually for once .. who knows..
I honestly think at this point it's faster to count those that haven't quit
@@spikegilfer1997 You forgot Asmongold
@@spikegilfer1997 And pint..
Bahjeera may quit soon too
I think rogues had like 7 oneshot routes this expansion. No matter what got nerfed we find another way. Kyrian, Master Assassin which branches into multiple ways, The Rotten, The Rotten 2.0.
the thing is, rogue doesnt even need one shot. Rogue Mage has such a huge synergy it will ALWAYS be good (as it is since TBC). Thats also why RMP is the most played comp in the game. But RMP had a short phase where it was kinda hard to play but if played correctly it was still a Tier 1 comp. and based on that people instantly assume that "rogue is bad". but thats just not true and very biased.
@@NomNomNom1989 The only time i remember RMP taking shit, was in Wrath Season 1, cause TSG had such a huge burst that RMP didn't have the time to counter and even if they succeded in doing so, they had to deal with a shitton amount of defensives.
@@devilthrig Its just another example of a season where RMP was harder to play than usual. Hydra showed perfectly that RMP can win TSG if played correctly.
I'd be incredibly interested in seeing how subscriber numbers were affected after all this. Blizzard seems to have forgotten that engagement ≠ enjoyment while playing the game. They CAN be related, but if the game is an endless grind, it will lead to high playtime but low satisfaction, which is ultimately harmful.
Doesn't matter how many people unsubscribe because there is small part of wow community who lives on cash shop. They will keep adding new stuff to buy in shop. If you see in recent years subscriber number is going down but they are making more money through shop. And also don't forget bots which also brings them big chunk of money.
@@ash912t8 this small part pays only to make others interested in them. if there would be no others, they would also leave
It's man/woman babies growing up. They realise all the time wasted in a game that doesn't matter...nor is even good.
@@ash912t8 this seems like a dumb opinion to me, how could they make more money from one time €25 purchases that are rarely available to €13 recurring monthly
I'm a higher end pvp player, and i just can't bring myself to do korthia and torghast. I got my 235 assassination and sub legendaries, and I just can't bring myself to do that anymore. The time it takes to form an rbg group, because random arenas are fucking insane, rbgs were my last hope to have fun in pvp in this game. I don't want to grind for gems, because guess what?! Next patch there's going to be another fucking faction to grind for gems in season 3. I'm definitely taking a break for a while! I really want to play, but I just get to my log in screen, look at my main, and then I just alt f4. I miss this game being enjoyable. There is hope for the future, you guys just need to listen to us, we are the people playing your game.
Hope is funny. Stop joking around like that, they do this intentionally. Rbgs and arenas existed in cata and its the same shit.
I quit a while back because every expansion just seem like 10 levels. Nothing new just a grind there was nothing original aside from the next level cap you needed to reach just to grind in the exact same arena for the same legendaries except now there are 50 item levels higher.
I never thought that even Stoopzz would quit. Holy shit dudes...
It seems like the only content creators you can expect to stay is the most addicted or toxic players. Even with the fear of losing some income I think there’s a breaking point for this kind of stressful work.
Another passionate player gives up in trying to cope with the current state of the game.
This is Asmon's fault! I can't prove it yet, but it sure is.
I'll consult my friends on the forums and find out exactly what he did.
exactly. that dude's an asshole and toxic XD and also the biggest wow streamer with the biggest ingame (community) events in classic and retail for years
honestly l've seen kinda very little of his FF14 stuff ... but in wow u can like make a party, /w and make a douzen emotes ... and biggest reason for people to play were those badly supported interactions like rpg/erpg transmog comps n shit ... l've allready seen so much cool stuff in his FF14 stream like the wedding, housing, play and everthing ... but hey if you think your community is toxic you obviously won't do shit that could better the community
Content creators / players leaving en masse
Blizzard: Wow, such assholes.
Man, Hybrid Theory and Meteora were my childhood
I used WOW to stay out of prison. Started when I got out in 08. It kept me from going back to prison for real man. The game sucks now though and my dude Stoopz and Preach are done, and so am I.
dont go back to prison
Try picking up a new MMO bro, don't go back to the Big House
Its not worth it bro... dont go back to prison.
I really hope FF gets good PVP soon and just shows WOW how it's really done
Well, seeing how the FF XIV dev team handles it vs how the wow dev team handles it, i'd be willing to bet that FF XIV will have decent PvP way before Blizz can even think about pulling their heads out of their assess.
Spoken like someone who’s never played FF14 🙄
Sadly it's going to be tricky due to how FF14 netcode works. The server ticks/delays makes timing tricky sometimes, and not in especially enjoyable ways. The community for it has also been so small for so long that one of the playmodes is basically unplayable since no one queues for it outside of one Discord community that does it once a week (when I'm working no less).
I'm hoping the new mode they introduce with Endwalkers will inject some much needed interest in PvP.
@@torum6448 FFXIV AAR came out 8 years ago, they’ve had plenty of time to make PvP actual enjoyable content and still haven’t, it’s horrendously bad.
@@MikeHonchoSon69 I have played it. what part of saying "I hope they get good PVP" leads you to believe I haven't? are you saying the PVP is currently good?
If they went back to your characters power progression, being simply apart of your class design, and not borrowed power systems, the game would improve in massive volumes. Not saying that's all they need, but it is a large chunk of what is wrong IMO.
I missed the Line "lets go play FFXIV" at the end, like Pint and other people did. xD
He loves pvp and ff14 has no mentionworthy pvp
@@Colaschnittchen yeah ofc, but its kind of a meme that people leave wow and do a video about it and then at the end they say they go to F14 instead ^^
@@Colaschnittchen XIV's PvP, especially Feast, is fine tbh. It just has a really small player pool since it isn't as popuplar as PvE in the game.
Ff14s pvp is terrible
I tried but unfortunately couldn't find myself enjoying it, I hope ashes of creation can fill that void for me
Stoopz has always been one of my favorite content creators. Such a positive role model for wow and the pvp community. Stoopz and his videos helped me in my progression within pvp.
"While all my friends were having fun playing with each other, I was levelling up." Sounds like life to me.
I know you may not see this but I really appreciate you covering videos like this. As a long time player who has been playing the game since Vanilla, every expansion I’ve played almost religiously up until BFA.
I used to be able to enjoy the game for what it was. I grew up playing it and even when I was active duty and serving, I still found time to play it and at the time? I could acruallt still progress despite not having time to raid etc, PVP Was my escape. The only thing I could enjoy including doing quests and just being what others would see as a ‘Filthy Casual’, as time went on and legion hit I actually found myself really enjoying it! I could have multiple classes like other XPacs, enjoy the game and not feel like it was more of a chore than something that offered me an escape and a way to enjoy the time with my friends.
Skip forward to BFA, Im a civilian now. And with a bit more time I found it hard to run an alt during it- It was rough. Ended up taking a break until Shadowlands and wow.. Just zero way to progress. I can’t even PVP and get geared anymore because everything is locked behind time and rating- I find myself more and more becoming bitter with the game as I can’t make multiple alts to escape on, I found 1-50 to be the most enjoyable part of the game and getting to 50-60? To become the most stressful part of the game. I don’t have gold to keep buying legendaries (I refuse to give blizzard money for the same exact thing they banned other players for doing) and with every single raid requiring some insane Il or AOC? I couldn’t even do content. In my own area (PVP) I found myself getting destroyed more and more by people in high tier raiding gear or players who bought their rating / had massive amounts of time to get to insane gear. I tried it myself- it’s just not fun. The game became more of a burden to me than something I enjoyed, Torghast runs for some soul ash..? Why not a piece of gear..? A conduit ? Anything but just soul ash- Raids? Only raids I could get into to do were LFR- and gear from there..? Not even on the same competitive tier. The game feels dead to me, so many friends have quit and players have quit all that are left are elitists and honestly? Toxic people and run by a company that just refuses to listen? I felt like a lot of problems i had were never voices but these videos you’ve been making? Makes me feel like I have a voice. And? Made me discover a new game. Never was a fan of FFXIV But until I saw you play it? Would never have given it a chance. Thanks for letting our voices be heard and helping us find a better alternative, I appreciate you a lot for being genuine and honest in every video you make.
complaint and feedback box is just a shute to the furnace that keeps the heating on.
I don’t like the Systems at all, and I don’t like Thorgast at all.. and the legendaries could drop from a hard mode raid or something instead of a long chain of chores to do to get them.
Leggos are cake to get, torghast is literally 30 minutes a week for 2k soul ash.. you people don’t want to play an mmo, you wanna play a Br or fighting game with 0 progression paths. 🙄
@@MikeHonchoSon69 no. thorgast is a timewaste, its annoying and shit content like all the other "progression paths". this is the reason i quit and many others, if you like this be happy wow is your game, at some time you play alone
@@MikeHonchoSon69 gamers need to stop making excuses for bad systems. Not wanting to Play a chore doesn’t make you a “bad” gamer. It means you value your time…
@@MikeHonchoSon69 It's bad design to force you to do something like torghast weekly until you have your legos
@@MikeHonchoSon69 You are so delusional. You clearly didn't play hard-core in BFA 8.3 what a fucking nightmare grind. I had one character a prot pally and was 2500 IO and 9/12 mythic nyalotha. I had to spend 16 hours a day for 3 months to reach that level of gear and achievement. The average wow player probably plays between 2-4 hours a day at most. I was playing 4-8 times longer everyday. To put that into perspective that would be the equivalent of a 1-2 years for the normal players time compared to mine. Get over yourself. Your not badass because you bot gold or buy wow tokens for your leggos and like to do repetitive imitation roguelikes that don't hold a candle to the real thing like Risk of Rain 2. You elitists will be alone in WoW soon. Rofl. You can brag to each other how easy it all is alone in Shadowlands.
I think I know why there were so many classic Andys that started wow with pvp. It's because we all came over from Diablo 2, and end game for all of us was pvp.
no. Because of epic pvp compilations videos with newmetal music in bg. Big crits and epic domination on bg's.
Nah, that's the Mu Online community LMAO
In a months time I would like to see a list of all the content creators who quit. I hear many of them have become variety and I am happy for them. It must be so nice to play a variety of games after just playing one for so long
Blizzard really learn well from their Chinese overlord. Complaint about Xi Jin Ping... REEE RACIST! Complaint about WoW.... REEE TOXIC!
The monty python clip was the best. As my friends and i joke to each other, "its not op just dont get hit by it"
I Started to play in 2004. in university. I remember my friends and i traveled to USA just to buy the game, and it was so hard to find gametime cards omg lol.... Stopped playing last year @ 37 years old. I must say Wow is dead........ no more the game it was.
i still remember the first time I logged in … i was a Tauren… i was so happy… and amazed by the open world i remember i said wooowww when i saw how big it was So incredible times.
Man I really hope blizzard gets their shit together in the future I’ve never played a game as good as wow and I can’t comprehend it just being dead forever:(
@@Natalia-cb5gf activision fault. 100% sure, i think the only exit and option they have is to make a wow 2 with a new engine and some kind of system that lets you merge your old characters with the new game, and some benefits for starting fresh, like aspects or races, or at least thats what i would do. the game needs to be fun, factions are a mayor problem, pvp is unbalanced performance with new hardware is usless i hope they call for wow2 soon. cus def, i would play it.
In regards to having to repeat the content, I really feel like FFXIV hit the nail right on the head with the current relic grind. I know folks are tired of hearing the comparisons, but hear me out.
The relic grind is pretty intense for your first 80 relic, there's sections where you have to do content over and over for items you need. But! And this is the important part. Once you get your first relic, some of the steps are not repeated. The grindiest steps.
So getting your first relic still feels like an acheivement because you have done the hard slog, but getting another relic for another class you like takes much less effort so it's not so likely to burn you out.
And you can see this philosophy in many of the game's systems. You can level all the classes on a single character- no need to go through the story again, you get an XP bonus on classes that are lower than your main, you can farm gear on your main class that is useful for alt classes. You can still fly in zones you've unlocked flying on.
It's designed in such a way that you're not spoon-fed the content and, yes, you sometimes have to repeat it. But it's easier and faster the second time around.
The days when I first saw Swifty explaining expert-level stuff is super nostalgic. Amazing times..
Blizz: "AsMoN iS tOxIc!!!!"
Asmon: *Exploring the wilds while dying from raptors*
Lol the monty python bit had me going because it's true lmfao.
fucking druids or mages.... Sitting in stealth and then Boom you instantly dead.
Asman says pvp was fine on beginning of expansion... yea for about a month.... and then everything went to shit. You literally was fighting same shitty combo again and again. And whole game was just press defensiveness at time. And against some classes even that was useless... DH... ear lord.... whats the point of disengaging of hem if he got like 5 charging skills. So stupid.
FUck this game. Hope it fucking dies.
Last scene is the Guild Wars 2 next expansion End of Dragons. Glad you include GW2 in your options.
Fast paced PvP matches were amazing at the start of SL besides Full-Moon oneshots.
And for covenants I would say - I could do each campaign once and it should be unlocked for every character after that and give you all conduits at normal raid level too. Fuck torghast on alts tho.
I literally can't play alts without wasting months of my life on getting it to the level where I could play it.
I wonder if Yoshi P will try to redo PVP in XIV to get where WoWs peak PVP was. Anyone else think he should consider it? I feel like it's the only problem that the game has.
FFXIV had best PvP in Heavensward. Been begging for a return to that or something even better (like WoWs peak) but SE only knows how to simplify and condense, so unlikely they would ever do that. SAD!
If he does not... that is not an issue. If pvp is not the focus of the game, it should be left unaltered. Upcoming games such as ashes of creation will likely be a big draw in for the pvp community.
naaaaaah. Let the game be its own thing.
I deleted all my characters on WoW and it was the best decision I've made all year.
I was just going to play until we clear the raid on heroic 3 or 4 times, but the guild that had two active raid teams is now already dying, I'm not sure that it's going to be worth the trouble. I just don't want to let down the people that I play with, but soon there will be no other choice. I had already switched to strictly raid logging and still had to log on a couple of times to do various chores so as not to leave guildies holding the bag.
I been trying to pickup the game one again after like 5-6 year ago. However it is too time consuming to level up. I wish to paid upgrade to the top level, and starting PVE/PVP immediately, not like speaking 1-2 weeks before I can really play. I think task system can open to people who wish to achieve title or to get special equipment or weapon. But it is so lonely now when level up when you missed the new patch updated. Also, the game now is lack of social connection.
The problem with wow is the time- gating. You buy an expansion ($60+), then charge a monthly fee ($15) and then prevent you from progressing through that story within the month subscription. Forcing you to resubscribe month to month, just to inch closer and closer to the end. It's BS, I paid for the game let me play it to it's completion.
It's been that way since release? Why should they change it?
@@jallop7918 "its been bad since the beginning, why should it be good?"
bruh
@@weichan you go into it knowing that you buy the game and pay the sub. Bitching about it after the fact is honestly stupid.
@@jallop7918 no one is bitching about paying the sub dumbass, they are bitching that they are literally gated off from content because blizzard arbitrarily put a timer on it for the express purpose of forcing people to pay more. On top of that if you don't already play the game you don't know this will happen, quite literally the opposite of the "knowing" you are so proudly using as a garbage point.
A very big problem for people who started late and love to play all classes like me without spending crazy amount of time.
That's why now I play ff14. Because...
1)They let armors for other classes from dungeons, quest or raid be obtainable by the class that you currently play.
2)Double exp for classes that is lower level than your highest main class.
3) All classes in 1 character.
4) no repeat content because of that.
So Weird why blizzard doesn't just copy their competition and steal their good ideas.
MMOs are my gambling addiction replacement. When I quit playing FFXIV (for the second time), I picked up FE Heroes, well.... more accurately FE Heroes led me to cutting out FFXIV cause I was a whale in FE Heroes. And..... I got so addicted to gacha games because I am addicted to gambling, real world gambling, as in, casinos, I limited it to 20 bucks, played on that, if I was left high and dry by those with me (who were winning) and I wasn't, I'd get another 20 and play some more, but it never went over that, because it was semi-social. But without the social aspect or the limitations I placed on myself set in stone and no one to hold me to them, I became a whale and.... welp.... went through money super fast. I banned myself permanently from gacha games and, lo and behold, FFXIV was there again and I went back to it and I always have something to do. It's not a "drug" per se, but it was an addiction that went from an MMO into the real world.... and so I just resubbed for one character per world with 1 extra retainer (sometimes glams need old stuff and they can hold it, okay?) and I'm happy with it, I made a new friend which makes me want to login daily and.... it's just a nice time again.
Anyway, that's my addiction story in a nutshell. Still getting rid of the consequences of my actions.
After trying LA on the RU server.. It 's actually amazing, killed my motivation to even play other games while I wait for NA/EU.
The karazhan attunement was legendary. I’m still amazed I got it pre Shattered Halls and Black Morass nerfs.
Stoopz needs to discover Eve Online for his pvp itch
It's not remotely the same though
A really simple way to think about it is this: For anyone who hhas alts, imagine if when you did torghast on a character it gave soul ash to every alt and counted for that same alt. 20 torghast runs -> 2. Same thing with maw invasions, dailies. For your weekly the honor gained all counts towards each character. Imagine 8.3 but every alt got the same stuff as your main. (Obviously with some restrictions)
Thing that really killed it for me is having soooo many BIS pieces of gear that only comes from weekly vault.
Obviously somewhat fixed now, but they've even strung that out to take more time...... like the seasonal keystone master.
Used to do a lot of raiding in MOP, full heroic clears (before mythic was a thing).
Thinking back there wasn't that much mandatory stuff you were forced to do, aside from maybe the side legendary quest which wasn't bad at all.
Could actually spend time doing bg's for fun, or arena.
Your time is just so divided now, took a break after clearing castle nathria and the content drought.
Come back to the Dominion socket gems, and the socket gear..... automatically logged out an unsubbed.
Who wants to have their equipped maxed legendary from 9.0 invalidated due to sharing a item slot with a dominion socket piece..... the gold cost to do so is fucking insane, and if we're honest the whole economy/ gold making economy is fucked due to this.... my time is already so divided doing the "mandatory" forced BS I do not have time to farm the copious amounts of gold to replace it... which obviously favours their model to buy the WoW tokens.
Game is so fucked.
One suggestion I have for WoW developers is to have a portal at the end of all dungeons in the game pop up after you defeat the final boss of said dungeon that brings you back to the beginning of that dungeon. it'd save so much time and allow players to get mog gear achievements faster.
...That...just seems like it should be a given!
You HAD to throw in that hybrid theory reference, every pvp video back in those days were literally linkin park.
Game is still pvp to me but honestly after wrath I just felt like it kept getting worse, though I wasn't exactly filled with hype when resilience was added.
Also lost ark is literally hot, finally coming to the west, even I might start putting out videos.
RIP Chester
Personally I recommend WoW's F2P PvP over retail PvP. The gear grind is short, you can level up every class to 20, and you can jump into PvP whenever; even when you're gone for months or years.
The only downside is that F2P WoW PvP is overrun by overpowered hunters running around two shotting everyone.
@@Odyssey636 It’s actually pretty fun. I go on time to time to play F2P pvp. Just roll a hunter and you’ll stomp everyone. Also, pvp in a moba game like League of Legends is very different from a game like WoW. I don’t understand your comparison.
Funny with the feedback going straight in the trashcan. I worked as customer service some years ago and we had a "request a feature" function where customers could request new/improved features. The information literally was not stored anywhere, it was just a way for us working CS to be able to easily and in a non-confrontational way tell customers off. The roadmap for new features was already set years in advance in conjunction with stakeholders and bigger clients. So when a smaller customer had some idiotic request for a feature we just told them to use the feature and our product management team would look into it lol.
Speaking as a balance Druid Main the class that was shit on for years I was really happy about Convoke
Man I really hope Internet Historian makes a video about WoW and Blizzard at some point. Maybe he could even do a In The Field episode with Asmon, that would be cool!
Have quit the game in SL after 2 weeks because I had not enough time to do thorghast, the maw everyday and the campaign. While it's clear that I lack time for an MMO, god damn, was WoD good when you could just log in and do your raids or pvp or whatever you wanted. It's just shit to waste so much time every day and week for those garbage systems just to be able to be competitive in the actual (endgame) content - the content what the game stands for.
says a lot people recently are praising wod
I've always praised WoD for exactly this point. You didn't need to log in every single day for at leastvone hour just to get content done.
Just had to login for raids, and done. You could do whatever you want with all that free time, like playing other games, or having activities IRL.
Raiding in early shadowlands, my best gear came from arenas. I don’t personally like pvp, but wanted to keep playing with friends. Every week I begrudgingly had to spend 1-2 nights just grinding conquest and rating, with a partner who was having just as little fun as I was.
While many people may have been doing arenas, for some it was just part of their weekly chores to continue on to the part of the game they actually enjoy.
Just to add to what you said during the systems you said would be OK if you only did them once, the problem is the power is locked behind them. Instead of them being horizontal progression while you are doing other core things, it blocks you doing the core things- and then it further blocks you because you have to do it over and over again. On top of it, the "borrowed power" is useless after so much work to get it. Those covenants and stuff would be great if the rewards were not locking your core power, and as you say, you did not have to repeat it so often.
So I looked at some statistics for the Asmongold TV TH-cam channel. Ever since he started playing FF14, this channel has been getting about 3k subs every day on average. At the time of writing this, the channel has 760k subscribers. At 3k subs per day, this channel will reach 1 million subscribers in 80 days and Asmon and the editing team will get their gold play button.
@A random paladin Yeah, I actually ended up subbing to him because of videos where he rips into Blizzard. It's refreshing that people are telling it how it is instead of defending Blizzard for a meal ticket. Good on everyone who has spoken out.
What is sad is that even when I log into retail today I still feel like there's something missing. wow was one of the best parts of a lot of peoples lives, having fun in it was more fun than having fun IRL... shit. we miss you wow. we truly don't want to play other games we just need Azeroth to be great again.
Think the key word here is 'was'.
Dude we're all playing other games and actually having fun. Fuck woW, fuck Blizz, an fuck Azeroth.
@@Emajenus I actually just redownloaded destiny 2 and I’m not having a bad time
Circuit city yo, their commercials with the big red plug in that would plug in at the front of the building and their stores looked the same in person. My dad bought me one of the Mechwarrior II games there in probably ‘97 or ‘98. The days.
regarding time management, I play SWTOR you can basically gear your alts with just playing on your main and the game is made to promote alt LVL-ing and doesn't feel like a chore
I'll never understand people who want to fly thru content just to be left with nothing to do.
Think it is mostly addiction. They consume it all until there is nothing left. Have members in the guild who will live nonstop on wow for 4-5 months...then they drop off for 6 months complaining there is no new content. I would wake up at 6am and they were online.... Check something during lunch and they were online.... log on after work and play for 4 or 5 hours... all the while they were online. If you do not cap any of the content progression...people will no life it ...until all content is finished.
ANOTHA ONE
I can tell from my experience that no one reads cancle subscription surveys. The developers make them but its never clear who is responsible for them because you need someone to process all the data and then present them to the developers so they can change things based on that data. But that would mean they have to hire new people and companies like blizzard really hate to create new jobs :)
Seeing everyone leaving and knowing I left a while ago something about it feels kinda cold especially since I have not found anything close to what I am looking for in an mmo... so cold :,(
It's unreal to me that we are at a point where Bethesda has done so much more to make Fallout 76 a great daily experience than Blizzard does for the WoW community. I can't wait to get home to put an hour or two into Fallout 76 everyday to do my dailies, weeklies, and unlock shit on the current season scoreboard.
The wow diaster is great the content creators are dropping like flies🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Maybe their toxic fans will follow?
@@MikeHonchoSon69 nah the toxic fans will stay in WoW calling their content creators bitches and will keep white knighting the game
@@MikeHonchoSon69 Easy bud. You can still enjoy your transmog and mount runs in old raids. Oh and pet battles and world quests. Your safe snowflake.
@@lazarusfitness3892 You mean where i sell my runs of CE to bad players for gold :) I'm glad shitters like yourself are leaving wow. Will make the game much better.
@@MikeHonchoSon69 they will go where asmongold goes.
This is like the same stuff that happened to me, after my parents split i started to play wow it was a distraction from it all but after some bad expacs i just didnt enjoy it anymore, after a bit my friends quit my dad didnt play anymore so i had no reason to keep playing this game. im still sad about quiting wow but i have to until they can fix it
its not only that your time is wasted its that when you finally get your reward after all the pointles grind you dont even feel anything anymore its like whatever
People expected Asmongold to be the overdramatic quitter but rather he is quite chill about it.
That first world in Shadowlands- that blue cloud world- was so beautiful I was floored. I didn't want to leave. It's the only thing I loved about the xpac.
I think this actually hit the nail on the head when things started going truly south along a path unfollowable. When chore-type content became the standard.
It’s just sad to see all these people leave
That shoutout to LP is great. Love them
I had the most fun in SL doing RBGs. Got to 2100 for the first time in any bracket and met a lot of cool people. Once the next patch dropped all my gear was terrible and felt really bad to pick up again and this was coming from full 2100 rated gear which is the highest you can get from the previous tier. I don't know how that can be fixed but it felt really bad and I just didn't have it in me to continue especially when they made it worse for PVPers to just PVP and raid log with their guild.
I get it, I did the same after 15 years as well. I didn't even bother with Shadowlands. Now I'm always looking for my next WoW. It'll never be the same, but so many hours were spent in Azeroth.
This is exactly how i feel and the reason I have not done end game since WoD and that was the last expansion I bought. I now do low level pvp and I do pve for gear for pvp. End game, ironically never ends, lol. You do tremendous amount of work, and I never could put in enough time to get BIS, before everything changed again, or new gear tiers would come out. It is just an endless chase of the carrot.
Stoopz was my favorite WoW youtuber and this hits me hard i was on the edge of quitting WoW but now i don't think i have the motivation to continue anymore it's sad :(
Having 4 difficulty of raids and 3 of duengeons is ridiculous. Game was really good when there was just 2 difficulty of each, 4lvls of difficulty end up inflating the ilvl to stupid degree and as a result we get a stats squish every expansion now. The first stats squish happned in WOD when mythic SOO inflated the ilvl to insane degree and it's been the same ever since.
Man… I played from Vanilla through Cataclysm. Something made me quit during Cata. Just came back a few weeks ago just to play TBC with some old friends… then the shit comes out about the harassment a couple days after my return. Now I am seeing everyone quitting. Crazy…
Wow literally saved my life to many times, yea it’s just a game but at the end of a rough day you could always look forward to actually being somebody in WOW. I think some people forget how much of a positive effect wow had on people back in the day
Yeah but this is the thing though. When these great devs who do so much for their players and being the best they can be end up becoming corrupt after making it big so often. They then only survive off your dreams and memories by crushing them. It’s sad and you shouldn’t have to tolerate it.
I grew up playing wow and stopped playing wow around 18, got into drugs, went to prison, got out, now I use wow to stay clean and stay put of trouble. I feel like the story is more common than people think.
We would love to see him and you in GW2!!
I played back at launch. I played Classic (for a while), I have 60s on private servers, and I have never raided. Focus was all on pvp back in original, and now I live in a country and in a time zone which is not compatible with raiding. Leveling, herbalism, alchemy and fishing is where it is at for me.
Enjoying TBC rn. Leveled Main, got Attuned + badge gear + reps clearing content since week 1. Leveled Alt, got Attuned, started clearing content...working on the rest, main chilling raid logged cos I don't need to grind anything on him till later...If this was retail I'd have some ungodly hours of grinding some b.s. system without which main would fall behind....