Top 10 Games We Hate (featuring Jeremy Howard)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มี.ค. 2020
- Tom, Zee, & Jeremy share their top 10 games they hate!
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Jeremy: Popular games I kind of don't enjoy
Zee: Games I'm not a fan of
Tom: Games that I loathe that they exist at all
In other words. Tom is the only one that actually made the list that was asked for.
@@martind2520 That's why he's the King.
I don't need to turn into these lists to learn that Chinese checkers sucks though
@@Setonrebel it's not about you realizing that Chinese Checkers sucks.
The list was games they hate. Tom hates Chinese Checkers. So it goes on the list.
Genoa - A game about nothing.
Trust me party people that day was the one day where I wasn't Mr. Positive. I had a ton of fun. As you can tell I don't really hate games. Thanks for watching
I don’t know the hate was flowing. Strongly. We might have to call you Darth Jeremy.
I even heard Palpatine in the background going “goooooood”.
Dude, you were hilarious!
I’ve loved each episode you’ve been on on DT! You bring great energy to the show and I hope they have you on more often!
I thought I had a lot in common with Zee, but your list is a carbon copy of games I also don't like, nay, hate because people keep bringing these games up and I keep trying them and they are not good, lol. What's your BGG name, Jeremy? Mine is mrdrofficer.
I too just can't get into Terraforming Mars.. But I do enjoy Wingspan because it's clean easy to understand style. For me Mars is too long and Wingspan needs to be one round longer. You were great to watch, made your case well but my cheeks hurt from smiling.
“My number 7 is Friedman Freese”. Dead.
Don't be a nancy
I have the same problem with FF games. I've traded out almost all of them I've tried. I refuse to give up on 504 , however. The concept is too cool
@@kenferguson9292 I've heard Fast Sloths is pretty good, maybe his best game since PG and Fabled Fruits.
should have made it Five or Four though
@@kenferguson9292 I bought it used at my FLGS. We need to try out different scenarios. . . .
Can you imagine the audience reaction if this had been done at a convention.
I love Jeremy’s personality and how it meshes with Zee and Tom. Didn’t agree with a lot of his picks but I hope we see more of him and get to see what he enjoys!
Putting the rules of a board game on the other side of the board should be a war crime.
I think its been banned by the Essen Convention
@@skyblazeeterno That's cause they're idiots.
Why? First you read the rules and then you play the game. What is the problem?
@@grantofat6438 referencing the rules is pretty common, especially on your first few playthroughs
I feel like Tom and Zee did "games we hate". Jeremy just did mostly "games that are highly rated but are not for me."
Fun list as always!
To be fair, Tom and Zee have surely played *way* more different games than Jeremy. They're familiar with the bottom of the barrel.
But he's the one that picked the topic! It's just weird to me for him to be all, "Let's do Top 10 Games We Hate...Of course, I don't *hate* games." Okay...? I'm sure Tom would have been fine changing the option to Top 10 Least Favorite Games or some such. *Disclaimer* I do not in any way thing that Jeremy is a douche. But I feel like it could come across that way. If I was the kind of person that judged the character of folks I've never met (which I'm not) it *feels* like he chose the topic just to so he could look "above" that kind of thing. However, I will give the default "I don't know you, man" benefit of the doubt and assume the whole thing was just either not thought out well or not communicated well. It was entertaining as heck to watch, though.
This was one of the most entertaining episodes. Though everyone may not agree with the choices, it was a delight to listen to the conversation. Top ten best episode!
Agreed, one of the best ones I've watched this year.
The combination of Zee and Jeremy is hilarious. I’m loving this.
Though I’m missing things coz they keep talking over each other.
We NEED him as a regular top 10 host
Shots fired on Eldritch. That hits too close to home for me as thats the game that got me into the hobby. I used to like you Z! You were like a brother to me!
Jeremy is so entertaining. Don’t get me wrong I disagree with a lot of his choices, Wingspan, Quacks, Arkham are some of my favourite games but I love his conviction. He’s a great complement to the Dice Tower team.
Wingspan is the game people should like ...I have never played but on every playthrough I've seen it just looks like an overexpensive Top Trumps...pretty components do not make a great game...maybe playing it is far different
@@skyblazeeterno Wingspan is way over hyped and very boring multi-player solitaire for the most part.
@@albionhustler9836 This ^
Honestly i didn't find him that convincing. I might be the nature of this list bringing it out. But i felt like he is the kind of person that gives up on games quite easily. Playing it a bunch of time isn't really giving it a shot. Especially this arguments against Quacks seemed really weak.
@@RenbroNL What's the number of times you need to play a game to be giving it a shot?
Stumbled upon this 9 months late, lol, but love how both silly & effusive these guys are together while discussing these games. The more of this vibe on Dice Tower the better; I love when Tom looks like he's having a blast.
Come on Zee ... I nearly pi**ed my pants when "Heidi give me the chinese checkers from the closet we're throwing it out!!!"
"This man put 512 cards in the game. One for every megabit." 😂
I'm surprised Tom didn't throw Monopoly on his list.
Worst game ever
Treasure Island isn't just randomly drawing lines and asking if the treasure is there (you're not looking for Long John Silver himself, he's in captivity). There's clues and deduction and bluffing and character powers and deciding if you want to help your fellow pirates or lead them astray. There's that tense final push where the character playing Long John Silver escapes and goes after the treasure, giving players that one last shot at beating them to it. It's a marvelous game.
Sure, but Iguess nnot for everyone. I enjoy the game a lot and most people I played it with enjoyed it too. But I have few friends that would suffer if I made them play it :D
I would love to buy it, but I'm half-colorblind and I don't want to play on the black-and-white side of the board. That's a shame, because the theme really appeals to me.
@@martinlebduska8344 Absolutely, but one could say that about any game, really.
I just feel dismay when professional guys like these (whom I respect, don't get me wrong) give an impression that seems so off the mark. I wish everyone could have an accurate accounting of what a game is before they decide if it is or isn't for them. That's why one should always seek out more than one voice when it comes to describing or reviewing these things. I fell in love with it based on the review by Shut Up & Sit Down, for example.
@@TheDarkever A valid point, certainly, if your concern is not being able to discern the colorful side of the board (I dislike the drab side, too). If your concern is the markers, though, fear not. The ones that come with the game are garbage, and most everyone just goes out to get their own. So you could absolutely pick your own colors. :)
I love it, one of my all time faves, easy top 20 of all time, and unlike some of my other favourites, everyone else i played it with LOVED IT even more thsn me and rewuested replaying. Also, everyone who saw it played at our table but didnt get to play wanted me to bring it next time ao rhst they czn play too. Im just Salty the expansion was not published in my national language so I can either mix 2 different language versions or sell a game in my lamguage to buy it in foreign English. Xd.
Nothing was more entertaining than seeing Zee’s and Tom’s facial expressions after the Quacks and Wingspan picks! Almost like a slight fear Jeremy might be too ‘controversial’ for Tower TV, lol. I was also a bit astonished by his #9, but it also made me move Quacks from ‘Must Buy’ to ‘Try before Buy’. I do value his take on so many games, so his 10 was interesting.
I am not a fan of Powergrid, but Mr. Howard, at least give that one a try.
If you love push your luck type of game, then you will love Quacks.
ultimate push your luck is can't stop. Quacks is just a solo push your luck.
@@squalledd That...really is not true at all. The fun of push your luck games is the thrill of, "will he stop in time and get a payoff or will he bust?" combined with short enough of a playtime where if someone gets killed by bad luck, they're not stuck sitting around effectively eliminated for too long.
Quacks kills the entire thrill since no one is watching people push their luck, everyone does it on their own then looks around for results.
Quacks then lasts way too long for a push your luck game.
Quacks is a good concept with a pretty poor execution.
Tom: "Do you like Terraforming Mars?"
Jeremy: "We shall see later on"
ROFL!!!!!
Two and a half years later is still one of my favorite top tens. This was and is so much fun to watch. Also been following Jeremy Howard ever since and glad I do.
After hearing Tom's Nr#2. I just started respecting the man a lot more... The fact that he doesn't like a concept of making fun of someone or belittling someone (unless he is absolutely sure they will not mind it) or making someone feel miserable, that's admirable. I also would absolutely be appalled if I played with my "family" and ran into those sort of situations that were described. Should have a 18+ Sticker on it I think.
I'd really like to know Jeremy's Top 20 games.
His number 1 is definitely Mage Knight.
Solitaire 20 times
Man vs Meeple just did their top 40 games a month or so back if you're still interested in Jeremy's picks.
"I couldn't find it...I couldn't find the fun." - In a phrase, Jeremy captures the spirit of why I don't like some games. Really well said!
really well said? damn, i mean, it doesnt get more basic than that phrase tbh. hard to praise it.
Odd. I’ve never heard the phrase before. Thus my praise. Basic or not, I like it a lot. But that’s probably because I’m a Cancer (sips pumpkin latte).
big thumb up, not really for the choices but for the fun I had watching your videos. You are so funny ! Thanks for sharing such great moments.
I love Jeremy, his personality is contagiously funny. He is a unique and out of the chorus guy. I hope to see him again.
the guy totally missed the point of the list, worst guest ever
Zee really underestimates the joy people do get from building things like farms without the manual labor of farms. There are large groups of people who loooooovee the idea of setting up homes for pigs and cows and horses and things.
I'm only 32 mins into this and I'm dying. This is my favorite video you guys have ever made
Oh my, I'm only three and a half minutes in and I'm laughing so hard! I will have to pause this video many times if this keeps up. Thank you so much for these lists and always sharing your love, or hate of board games!
One of the most entertaining Top 10's you've done! Loved it!
First time I played Wingspan, I didn’t like it. But it was the pacing that made me not like it. Turns out that it was the players playing really slowly so I couldn’t keep track of my turns. On the third time I played it, I was going to pass but I wanted to play with the people that were at Strategicon,. So i said yes and joined in. I loved it! I have played it multiple times since and Love it.
"Peat?! Really?!" Thanks, Zee--I needed that! 😂Have to say I'm with you, Jeremy, on your picks. I feel less alone/crazy now!
Great episode, lots of fun and definitely brought lots of laughs. I can't say I agreed 100% with anyone's list, but it was an entertaining video for sure. Jeremy brought a nice energy to the team, even if he did hate on one of my favorite games (Wingspan). Keep up the great work guys!
We need more Jeremy Howard on DT. I laughed out loud so many times with the comments and chemistry of you three. So good! Great stuff guys. Thank you.
15:10 Zee sings the 'Itchy and Scratchy' theme
'Itchy and Scratchy' is a 'Tom and Jerry' parody
'Tom and Jerry': Tom and Jeremy :O
Hodor
"It's a mix between collectible card game, role playing game... and crap" I died.
I don’t think anyone in the history of Dice Tower guests has been more contentious and “wrong” than Jeremy. Very entertaining video for that alone!
30:55 Tom's reaction is exactly like that Risitas laughing meme lol. Priceless.
We laughed so much, this was hilarious. Thanks guys!
OMG! I love the chemistry among these three. This video was super fun to watch.
I align with a lot of Jeremy’s games and this episode was hilarious. Loved the interaction between all of you!
Can we please make Jeremy a permanent fixture in these videos??? I really like his style and interacts really well with Tom and Zee :)
baguafox Fox He works for MvM, so that’s unlikely.
"I'm burning all my hats. Thanks for destroying my dreams"
😂😂😂
Ok Greta...
I need more videos like these in my life, especially these days. thank you guys.
Seeing Jeremy in these top 10 has been by far my favorite episode in dice tower. you guys are hilarious together.
This was one of my favorite dice tower videos in a while. so much fun and banter, Jeremy was such a good addition to the video. Add Mike or Camilla and the four of y’all would be unstoppable
Jeremy is such a breath of fresh air! More Jeremy! I was laughing at the interactions. It was brilliant.
the guy totally missed the point of the list, worst guest ever
Jeremy had me on such an emotional rollercoaster. Underwater Cities: I respectfully disagree, good sir. Wingspan: Yes, yes, you wonderful man! Terraforming Mars: Noooo, you were supposed to be the chosen one!
Terraforming mars is by far the most overrated game ever, nobody and i mean nobody should dislike wingspan
this has still got to be one of my favorite episodes, please invite Jeremy over more often
This is my best video of last year! I laughed a lot. Thank you!
I want to see Jeremy's reaction to Genoa on the box for the next print run, "oh dear" lol.
I don't really get Jeremy's points on why he doesn't like Quacks, but hey, to each his own.
Uplift-Your Daily Pickup perhaps the only pick I agree with Jeremy on - not hate but that one I find overrated. The push your luck, runaway leader and forced catch up mechanism does nothing for me. Too light. 6/10. But that doesn’t mean I hate it. It’s a take it or leave it game using bgg rating system.
Man I hate Quacks too. It is too long for a push your luck game, and the rat tails are not enough (it having some engine building) to make up for a bad draw on the first turn or two.
Yeah wow does this guy really play board games
@@GamerLisa I asked myself very similar questions. I have severe difficulties to follow his argumentation on most of the picks. Entertaining somehow but not ver informative. At least a channel (his) I can actively avoid 😉
Yeah it seemed like he didn’t like the push your luck mechanism because he would too often push too far and bust? Seems like a criticism of his strategy rather than the game. Kinda like saying you hate blackjack just because the casino always takes your money.
I think this is the funniest Dice Tower video I've seen yet. You guys are hilarious, really liking Jeremy on the show.
This is so f++++ funny and entertaining, just a great show! Love you guys and it is always great when you do something together with Jeremy. Please go on! "hate" wingspan +1 ;-)
Omg, love Jeremy!! He's a natural and hilarious to watch. And Tom and Zee are also great as usual.
I love Jeremy! This is the first time I've 'met' him, and I can't say I really agree with his list, but he has a personality I want more of. Hope we see him often on Dice Tower vids!
the guy totally missed the point of the list, worst guest ever
I can't BELIEVE it! I have been watching your game reviews and many others and this is the FIRST time I have heard anyone mention Talisman!
Wow! Loved the intro! Felt like Sam was still there with Zee’s fake hatred!
Jeremy: Games everyone loves that I hate
Zee: Games that Tom likes and I hate
Tom: Games that children like, and games no one has heard of
It actually came off like that in reflection. I was having fun with the topic. Thanks for watching. Kind of an departure from what I usually do
Haha, spot on!
The reaction after wingspan was mentioned was the funniest part of the whole video
Tom's expression when Jeremy mentioned Quacks was amazing!!! It had me in fits of laughter ... and the addition of Taverns of Tiefenthal being better than Quacks, lovely!
It felt sooooooo good to see that reaction.
I can’t believe that in 30 games, nobody even mentioned Seafall. The one game I played that was universally hated.
Well, it's safe to say that my tastes strongly differ from Jeremy's ones... But good to see different opinions !
Thrown I absolutely don't want to play any games with Jeremy, but I want to sit down and just talk with Jeremy he's so awesome
Several of his picks are ones on my top 10 best games, so I am extremely tempted to go out and try the games on his list that I haven't already
I like Jeremy and his personality. But 8 of his games are amazing! How could you hate these games! Was it just to see the shock value ?
I found myself agreeing with him entirely!
We exist!
This was the best and funniest Top 10 ever! You need more Jeremy he meshes well with you two!
Im late, but... Who is that Jeremy dude?! love his addition to the already great Tom and Zee machine. That trio rocked! I kept smiling. More of these videos, and more of Jeremy please!
Jeremy is on Man vs Meeple channel. He does a lot of solo plays on there. th-cam.com/play/PLcdwR7Y_b3jV8eXGLd9kHXBXj6zm7UM5f.html
I am now convinced that Jeremy is an alien from a different universe far, far away. :-)
Thanks for mentioning the pug you game. I would have thought my grandsons would like it. Sad thing is one has suicidal thoughts and this might have been a trigger for him. It's irresponsible for game companies to put so called games like this out. Thank you for sharing, very important.
All I can say is, research games, watch reviews before you buy. Especially for kids.
Best video ever! Very good job and thx for the laughing guys. continue give as those good videos!!!
If every top 10 was this good you would easily be number 1 on TH-cam. Hilarious.
This was a lot of fun. Jeremy really shines interacting with y’all. I hope to see him doing more with other reviewers.
this is some of the best banter in your videos ever 😂
you all were loopy today. the energy made me smile
Super entertaining, as always! Glad you decided to post the video!
Lmaooooooo Toms reaction when he said Wingspan. Sounds like he just doesnt like engine building games Wingspan and Terraforming Mars ....
Underwater Cities too.
Thank you for calling out Pug You for their atrocious attempts at humour, especially regarding suicide and mental illness. I can play Cards Against Humanity and some of those games and find the humour but voting on whether someone would call a suicide hotline or not crosses a line.
Unbelievably messed up
I agree
I’ve gone through a heavy depression some years back. If I were a member of a group of people and they jokingly voted on this at that time IN A GAME, I’d probably be dead by now. This is seriously messed up.
Atrocious game!
I disagree with many of your picks but I am entertained by it and you make solid points. Love wingspan, love Arkham, love quacks.
Jeremy! We need to do lunch... you are the only other solo gamer I've ever heard that does NOT like Friday!! I just can't, and always thought maybe there was something wrong with ME, but now I know better! Thank you!
I really miss the combo of Sam, Tom and Zee but this has been the Dice Tower video I enjoyed most since. This should be your new combo of Jeremy, Tom and Zee. Great video, enjoyed this one.
I'll don't always like what Tom likes. But I think he has a solid list of games not to touch here.
About Dead of Winter: my issue is no the semi-coop part (personal goals), but the fact you can see where an item comes from. Ie. you can see the negative item came from the school. And if you then play even a little smart: only one player went to each location. So hey, traitor found. Oh you come to several locations others are? Perhaps you are the traitor...
I know you kind want to go to specific locations, but you can minimize being on more then a few and if you don't, you probably do so to get items from all locations to fuck stuff up...
I think this is one of the best if not best DT videos at all. You should invite Jeremy much more, his company fits your group. It has perfect and funny mood, i like it.
The moment Wingspan was mentioned lmfao.
That was hilarious.
I really enjoyed Zee, Tom & Sam. However, Zee, Tom & Jeremy are an equally great combination with some absolutely great back and forth joking. You watch this video and wish you were playing games with them, because they are just laughing so much.
Also I like Munchkin just because you get to stab people in the back and it has funny D&D artwork.
mask alumni I love Munchkin with the right group, but it breaks way too easily for me... If anyone is actually taking time trying to win as opposed to having a silly fun time, I start really disliking it :(
@@johnathanrhoades7751 Agreed it is silly fun game. Not to be taken seriously, it should definitely be played where everyone understands winning isn't important. I like the ganging up concept though, I think it does this quite well.
I hope Zee never runs for office. His opponents are going to have so much dirt on him, “I strongly dislike everything you are and represent!” Bahahaha. I love it! 🤠👍🏽
Tom reached notes only dogs can hear at several points during this video...lol. Another quality video!
I have loved Eldritch Horror, less so now, but yes, the "Lose One Completed Objective" is awful. I do know who designed that card, but I will withhold that information for their protection. *stares at Zee*
Ahahahahahah one of the funniest top 10s ever xD
With how hyped Euro games are right now it was fun going back and listening to Zee explain them perfectly.
Come for the arguments-stays for the line: “Number 9, Tom Vassel”
Jeremy's list is impressive...lol. He sort of hates what almost everybody else loves. I'd really like to see a list of the games he actually loves :-)
Damn near everything
1. Mage Knight
2. Mage Knight
3. Mage Knight
Jeremy is about to be attacked by the birds lolol amazing top 10
That's hilarious
This is now one of my favorite dice tower videos of all time 😂 and hands down the funniest. Bring Jeremy back!
This is a treat. I don’t know how I missed this one lol Zee kills me 3:00 lol
Tom, I think it was good you drew attention to Pug You. Developers should be careful about how they talk about suicide, especially if it's a social game.
Not being open about a topic is worse than anything as history has shown. Don't be part of the problem.
@@Fanofou82 I'm not saying anything of the sort. We must be open and constructive about the topic. That doesn't entail communicating "Hey, I think you're the type of person that would kill yourself." That's just cruel.
@@Fanofou82 A social/party game isnt really the right setting to tell your friend that youre concerned he might commit suicide.
BRUH the Wingspan pick, I love Wingspan but I enjoyed seeing it on his list. He's not afraid to dislike a game thats so loved, iI like it.
I do wish he would have picked Tapestry over it, that games is completely useless in the board game scene and I feel brings nothing interesting that a video game or other board game doesn't bring. I LOVE Stonemeier games, but Tapestry just feels useless.
Agreed. Tapestry is lame.
I don't play video games anymore, so Tapestry fits that spot for me and my game group. I feel like people just expected something other than what they got
@@MrJacobSteed It didn't help that it was advertised as a CiV game under 2 hours; it is neither.
Thuan Ngo never EVER believe that a Civ game can be done in under 2 hours. That pick you’re about to say “well, _____ did it in about an hour!” No. No. No. No game has ever done a good Civ game in under 2 hours. It’s not possible.
Why are you comparing wingspan to tapestry? Completely different games
I miss Sam for sure, but I am really enjoying these guests. The different personalities and tastes bring so many unique perspectives and shed light on games I have never heard of before. Definitely keep bringing them back!
Thanks for giving heads up spoiler about Time Stories, although I sort of know a little bit what happens through the live panel movie about top 10 most influencal games with Rahdo. Still in sad that its thus gonna suck because inreally really like it so far... Currently at the egyptian game? Anyways nice top review and props for Jeremy, cool guy, nice countergas (dutch saying) for Tom
I’m here to commend Tom on reminding everyone what an absolutely awful “game” Pug You is. I still remember reading the designer defending this atrocious monstrosity on the comments. It was sad, to say the least.
Play in this hobby long enough and I'm sure we've met fellow gamers with some personality quirks and social awkwardness. I try really hard to overlook those quirks and be inclusive. If someone told me they liked Pug You, I don't think I could overlook that, and I wouldn't want to sit at the table with them.
@@readilium3432 Yep! These people hating on a subject are part of the problem. Fingers in the ears.
I like how people talk so much about Pug You in the comments that it's legitimately going to sell them a few copies.
Zee is hilarious and I think he’s channeling a little of Sam too. He’s starting to get a little violent. Watch out for throat punches soon!
Also, in the "Top 10 Enemies to gaming" video, he split his list up into two Top 5s!
I know this upload is old, but I really like Jeremy's commentary!
I come back every year just to laugh and respond to comments
I laughed so much watching this video. Thanks guys!!