I really enjoy watching these old videos with the Sam, Tom and Zee. Nothing wrong with the new videos but these old videos have a degree of banter and nostalgia that I enjoy.
Growing up, my dad had a 1971 sports illustrated football game. He would always play as the Dallas Cowboys because they were by far the best team in the box (this was not at a balanced game). I loved playing even though i constantly lost. I remember one night, i won two games in a row. It was an amazing feeling . My dad had been cussing about the dice all night. When i won that second game, he lost his cool and ripped up his beloved dallas cowboy sheet. I was both excited and horrified. Excited because i knew i would go to bed that night as champion. Horrified, because i wasn't sure he would ever play again. Well, he taped his dallas cowboy sheet back together and we have played many times since. The game now sits in my collection. And every time i see that Dallas cowboy sheet, i am reminded of a evening of both unbridled rage and the taste of sweet sweet victory.
A few years ago my GF suggested we get some boardgames, so we went to a local games store and chose a couple. One of the ones we got was Risk Godstorm. After the setup, we made our initial moves. A couple of turns in, I took one of her territories... And that was the end of that game, and it never saw the light of day again.
I used to play Diplomacy with my dad and younger brother ALL the time while growing up. Betraying each other was kinda the whole thing. EVERYTHING was allowed: Stealing each others plans while mom called us to dinner, which lead to leaving FAKE plans lying around. Spying on the talks others would have. Man, I once hid a tape recorder (yes, I'm old) in the room where I knew my father and brother would go into to talk. I actually think no one ever got mad. Then, years later, I played the game with friends. First scoring round, one was backstabbed by me. He looked SO hurt. I explained that shifting allegiances is kinda the point of the game, but he just kept repeating "I would NEVER do that to a friend!" . I felt like I had kicked a puppy. Needless to say, we broke off the game and never played it again. :/
i watched an older episode when you list games not to play with angry people literally yesterday. possibly among the top most hilarious episodes you have ever done. couldn t be happier to see this show up.
I have not had a 'rage' experience in a very long time. My last one would have been Axis and Allies with my brother. In the late eighties and early nineties we had about a five year stretch where it seemed EVERY board game we played ended up in a rules dispute and whoever of the two of us came out on the short end would just rage quit. I remember the time when one of us, I think it was me,could well have been him, admitted the other just might be right. It was an A&A game and from that time, he is the person with whom I would more prefer to at a game than anyone else.
As a frequent mysterium player, I understand why the game is on the list. Lets talk about the dreaded poison bottle. It does not matter, whatever else is out on that field, EVERYONE and their grandmother thinks they have the poison, constantly, and no matter the cards you give them, they think it somehow is the poison, ITS MADNESS
Great TOP TEN, you guys! THANK YOU!!! Unfortunately, for people who play games, like they're playing for real money (and I met a few) every game is a rage inducing game...
Monopoly : What is more enraging that having your kid receive a Monopoly (not the short dice or kids version, but the "real" one) from some distant relative and know that you'll be asked to play it and won't be able to say no ?
Make a deal with em, you'll play a game with them, but they have have to play some of your games too. 😁 Then they'll realise after how poor Monopoly compares to modern games.
Loved the video guys. I'm not sure if I'm sadistic, but I kinda find it entertaining watching someone rage during a game (as long as it's not violent). Not only did you lose the game, but you lost your sanity!
I usually do not enjoy your negative based top 10's, but this ome came through very fun and energetic and I enjoyed it alot. Had a lot of fun watching the video.
I played about 10 games of risk in my younger days, no even once did any group ever finish. And every single game was with new people, since no one old wants to play again. When you combine a 6 hours game (many people's first time) and player elimination, there are guarantees to be a lot of bad blood. And people that lost stand around, making those still playing uncomfortable to keep on playing. Risk and monopoly probably duel-handedly killed this hobby for many people starting up. Monopoly sucks. Risk was brutal and make people angry.
I love Dark Moon for the same reason Sam hates it. It ramps up the paranoia so fast. You really have to start playing the players on round one. Oh so good.
Yeah, this is why I like Dark Moon and Secret Hitler more than "straight" deduction games like Resistance and Werewolf. They both give you a bunch of "concrete" information to use for deduction, but there is also a lot of noise to mask the bad guys.
Catan can be sooo frustrating with unbalanced dice, one time I had a 6, an 8, and some other numbers, this other guy had a 3, a 2, AND THEY KEPT COMING AND COMING, all 2s and 3s, he literally had more than 20 cards in his hand and NO 7 CAME UP. Meanwhile no 6 nor 8 ever happened, so I had to look how he just cut every possibility of advancement that I had not because it was particularly good for him but just because he saw that he could do it, and then just make 3 points in his last turn and still have more than 10 cards in his hand, aaaah. This other time with a different copy of the game I was going to build a house somewhere, I just had to build the house, and then turn after turn went on and I got no resources, and this other gal comes and just builds a road and builds another road and then builds the house, ok, I'll go this way instead then-nope, the same gal comes and blocks me there, and the same thing the third time! This was with the recommended set up for first time players but I got NO resource, NO 6 almost in the whole game. Catan is a great game, but it comes with so cheap dice and there's nothing you can do about it if it happens to you, ok I'll just sit here and watch you take everything away from me why not, that seems fun. Very funny list btw, really enjoyed watching it!
The most frustrating with Catan, not enraging but frustrating, is that it can literally be impossible for you to win on round 2 or 3. If people settle close to you during the initial setup and then get luckier than you and manage to block, you'll spend 90% of the game knowing that you can't possibly get more than 8 points even if you were to decide the result of every single dice throw.
There's nothing like the rage the first time somebody breaks a treaty with you in Risk. Rage is not relieved until YOU break a treaty. In college we all four got so enraged that we tore up each card individually, and the board, and threw them all over the room. What euphoria!
My resistance anger came when I was playing a 9 player game in which I was one of three spies, I threw the suspicion on myself by tanking a mission, but through some quick talking and arguing with my teammates I got both on the 4th mission which required two fails, when the vote was shown to have only one fail, I nearly lost my mind!
There are many games that have gotten me or someone else angry. When I was a kid, my brother, our friend, and I played A LOT of Risk and Fortress America. So much so that I never wanted to see another copy of Risk again. Flash forward several years and my brother pulls out the NEW Risk that has these special mission cards. Well, I bite, but remind my brother I'm done with the game. We get our mission cards and do our setup. Looking at the board, I notice a few things that would let me win the game easily so I set my plan in motion. I vacate Africa and begin attacking our friend, leaving everything ripe for a blitzkrieg down through Africa, for my brother. I'm green, he's red, and our friend is blue. I turn to my brother and smile. "I know you like Africa, I'm going to finish off Russia, why don't you take him out in Africa? My brother always goes for Africa so he smiles in return and I wipe out the blue forces in Russia. He then does his blitzkrieg and takes out the remaining blue in Africa and sees that I'm stretched out really thin and am easy pickings. Our friend is upset that he's been eliminated before his first turn when I smile and let him know that the game's over. That's when I reveal my secret mission card: I win if the blue player is eliminated. My brother went in to such a rage that I think he threw the game away. He's not as easy to manipulate after that, but boy oh boy was he angry! HAH! I really enjoyed this video, you guys had me laughing pretty hard at the end :)
When you need this 1 simple link to finish you very long route at the very last turns and someone just builds that route for no reason, just to clear his trains asap to end the game.
wedge47 Hey guys, all i produce is sheep. Who wants sheep. I'm desperate I'll even give it at discount. thanks for the trades. i really needed those resouces. one more thing.... i have a card i want to play. everyone give me all of one resource, sheep... so annoying. also the ability to block people, and put the robber on someones land. very annoying.
Settlers is ok. But if you play with 5-6 players it generally becomes obnoxious. Particularly the Cities and Knigts expansion. We made the mistake of playing that and it turned an hour and a half game into a 3 + hour game. Maybe it was slowness due to lack of familiarity with the game, but it was excruciatingly boring.
Munchkin and Cyclades. I will never ever play these games again and both for the same reasons: 1. King making by helping that player direktly and basically admitting that they want him to win 2. King making by doing nothing even though you could 3. Dragging emotions and grudges from last game into next and start to target players from the start. the result is always indirect king making. If you can't tell by now: King making for the sake of pissing off someone always makes me rage.
Had to sell Game of Thrones and give away Risk Legacy for this very reason...gaaaahhhhh! Makes me froth at the mouth I get so angry, frickin Kingmaking.
Al Bie Well, others may have their own definition but I consider it "King making" when one player ignores their own win conditions to either allow or even assist another player to win. There are very few games that are not heavily impacted by this negative behaviour if a player chooses to be a kingmaker. There are a few reasons this can wreck an otherwise fun game, but the most common issue is that most games are implicitly balanced so that everyone is trying to "win," whatever that looks like. When one player doesn't pursue that it means who ever they are supporting (or just ignoring) is at a considerable advantage. Another reason it is annoying is it is basically a big "fuck you" to the rest of the table, and especially towards whoever the kingmaker is attacking. The kingmaker is basically saying "I have fun by making sure you don't." It's pretty low behaviour.
Aaron Dovauo thanks for the explanation. I kind of deduced this, but wasn't sure. That would annoy me too. These guys should do a video on top 10 annoying gamer behaviors!
4 player Rummikub, I watched 3 players play tiles while I collected tiles, my frustration building, in the end, one of the 3 players won, I had to almost get another board to fit my tiles.
Zee's thing about Deception: Murder in Hong Kong where people get off track onto some wild-ass alternate theory...every single game of Codenames ever. JUST PICK YOUR FIRST GUESS AND YOU'LL BE RIGHT!
Used Diplomacy's reputation for inducing rage to my advantage once. My friend and I were playing with a new group, he was Austria and I was France. I had teamed up with England and Germany. A couple turns in they stabbed me on something inconsequential, think it was one of the lowland neutrals. When they did, I went on a 5 minute rant about how I'm going to throw everything I have into ruining them even if it costs me the game. My friend and I have been gaming forever and he knows me well. The discussion phase after my rant we go into another room to talk. As soon as he closes the door he goes "So, Italy it is then?" I'm like "Yep". Poor guy left himself wide open thinking his border with me was safe, and England and Germany were bracing for impact. Took 3 bases from Italy in one turn.
Monopoly. I had many arguments playing that game. I used to like it even though there had been a few arguments. But a few years before I was a board game hobbyist, my wife and I, with a friend and his wife a couple other players played Monopoly. 1 player we discovered never traded at all, ever! No matter how sweet the deal was made to him he wouldn't trade. I got angry. But the there were other arguments, I decided after that game I would never play Monopoly again.
Doma Agape If I'm actually winning this long boring game, it seems like everyone wants to quit. which I then drive them to because I say... oh no, your going to sit right there and let me destroy you as I build my empire. I didn't want to play this game but if I'm winning by God your going to sit there until I do.
If you were a "board game hobbyist" then how could you end up playing Monopoly over literally ANYTHING else?? I cannot believe you wouldn't had recommended anything else, unless you were playing with children and all that you had was complex games.
Targi- the worker placement is so tightly constricted that I spend the whole game feeling like I just got shafted. Doesn't help that my opponent is really good at it and I've never managed to beat him.
I love darkmoon... I took that dice mechanic and put it into an Role Playing Game when I gave each player a note saying, "You feel something attempt to take over your mind, but you kept control...did the rest of your party feel this? and more importantly, did THEY keep control?" They had to use the dice mechanic to sneak and disable alarms......and they turned on each other FAST! Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
I shall raise the rage level regarding Diplomacy. I was walking through the gaming area at GenCon on a Sunday morning, passing by the tables hosting the final round of the Diplomacy Tournament. Just in time I saw one player totally lose it. He turned to another player with total anger on his face and lunged at him. They both grappled for a few seconds, then their combined momentum took both of them, still embracing in mutually applied death grips, away from their gaming area and into the tables next to them where they both collapsed onto the tables that were currently hosting a large scale miniatures game. That got the miniatures judge involved, and it took the arrival of convention security to bring the matter to an end. Later on I learned that the two guys in the Diplomacy game were (up to that time!) good friends who had come to GenCon specifically to enter the Diplomacy Tournament, having already agreed to work together to their mutual benefit. Only after both made it to the final round did one of the guys decide to betray his best friend. Game-wise, beautiful move; in reality, I had witnessed a long friendship dissolve before my eyes.
I agree with Tom that Diplomacy is probably the most frustrating game ever. I've been back-stabbed by people because another player gave them a doughnut! It is an incredibly frustrating game - you can spend a whole day (we'd play 1 move a day) planning and negotiating the most amazing move and then the ones who are supposed to support you do something else and you've just lost the game. But I also think this is one of the best games ever...
It really depends on the people playing. I have been playing magic for years at my local game store and have yet to see someone do anything even close to that. I've only seen people get frustrated before, but not rage-filled. Though I have heard of it, and I'm sure it happens with some people.
I used to play the MTG a lot in the 90s and it seems like in my area all players sort of agreed on two gentleman house rules to play by, which really relieved frustration: 1. Don't put counterspells in your deck. 2. No direct damage to players. 3. Don't add (or remove) cards to your deck to beat another specific deck or color. If you for example want a Circle of Protection in your deck then keep them in all the time. If someone didn't adhere to these rules, you wouldn't play them again. Everyone usually carried about 3 decks too, so if someone's main deck was too powerful you could just request to play one of their weaker decks. I stopped playing some time after 5th edition, so I'm sure a lot of annoying mechanisms have been added to the game since then.
1. We were playing a 3-player game. Initial settlements in, 2 of us are fighting for the same port. Both of us need a brick to build a road to reach there. And this 3rd player trades with the other guy and I have been land locked. 2. Someone making a stupid trade with a person who seemingly is on 6 points. After the trade, the player reveals the third knight card and builds a settlement to win the game. I can go on and on. It is important to play with players who know what is going on in the game.
Cthulwho? Spy fall when you turn to another player in a hospital and say the next question you ask better be a good one or I'm pulling the rip cord on you... and he says, "Are you ever afraid of drowning at your location?". What? He clearly has no idea we are at a hospital... I accuse him and he is a doctor... What? Ask if I visit this location is it possible that I might get 'shot'? And then there is the guy who said you might smell trees in a grocery store. when questioned, he said that they may sell an air freshener. or what's up with vague answers from non spy like maybe or sometimes. I'm in a bank and they ask if I make a lot of money... my answer is... if I don't get caught. my question is Do you see Ben often at this location? come on people... get it together.
I agree with the Catan comments! I played a game with another father and his two sons. He and one son agreed to gang up on the other, who was about to win the game. In order to steal the longest road card, he needed four wheat to trade for a brick. So he traded one wheat for two wheat from his son, giving him the four he needed and stealing the road. The other son had no more road pieces and ended up losing! It might not have been legal-in fact, I’m sure it wasn’t-but the ensuing rage lasted fifteen minutes!
The first time we played Arboretum, we misunderstood the rules to allow stealing runs that other players had spent the entire game building. So the end-game was like Babel on steroids. Things got a bit tense - then we re-read the rules and had a good laugh.
I've seen people just leave a session of Citadels after being assassinated multiple times. The most rage inducing game I've seen first hand is Merchants and Marauders. When a player boards another player's ship, and takes all their stuff that they have been working on for 2 hours, it usually ends in components being thrown.
The first game that comes to mind is Nile. You see everyone else harvesting their fields but you can't even plant one at times and if you do manage to plant one, you'll be outplanted the very next turn, causing you to discard the field. And as if that wasn't enough, once you get three or more crop fields under your control, before you can say "wait, my fields have the same number of cards and they're tied for most cards"- the next flipped card will be Plague of Locusts. All of those cards - eaten.
Awesome list, even my wife who has no interest in board games was watching with me and laughing. Anyway, my rage inducing games would be Monopoly, Diplomacy, this game where it's a team of aliens vs. astronauts and everyone has a dry-erase hidden-movement pad (I forget what it's called but I played it once and never will again), and Agricola. God damn I get so goddamn angry in Agricola. I hate that game now with a blazing hatred of a thousand suns.
Paperback comes with a variant to help mitigate the analysis paralysis, I'm allowing others to help you make your word out of your letters, and whoever's word you pick gets a penny to use for their next turn
Hey guys, I love your lists! This one too, of course. But I miss a top 10 "space games" list. You once did a "sci-fi" list, which ended up in a huge discussion, of what sci-fi is. :D Not that it wasn´t cool and funny but I´d love to see a top 10 of space games. And/or an updatet top 10 Cp-op list.
The biggest argument my group ever had (and this was more group specific than the game itself) was in our first game of Twilight Imperium. We spent an entire hour arguing about how Sarween Tools is supposed to work because the guy that owns the game had a completely ridiculous interpretation but everyone believed him because he owned it.
Great list and love your humor. My #1 is resistance. “Since it’s your copy/ you are hosting the event you must be the red team”.........I gave away my copy.
@48:00 you are describing 90% of the time in software development.... maybe that's why I like Mech vs Minions... it's the same feeling but without the pressure to get it right yesterday :D
My tabletop night occasionally had games of diplomacy, but we either set a reasonable time limit or would decide the next turn or 2 to be the last to not have it go 8 hours. The short periods combined with the fact that we pretty much used the whole room to pace around and negotiate made Diplomacy an amazing experience. But I don't think I would ever play a full game.
My friends love Risk and to this day I refuse to play with them because every time somebody will get bored of the game, want to stop playing, attack me with all of his troops, and leave the table.
There was a game that all my friends agreed was a fun game and we played it over and over for more than a year. Then we put it away and swore never to play it again to preserve our friendships. Every single game had one or more shouting matches, slammed doors, and general hurt feelings. That game was Supremecy. A very well made game about Cold War politics and brinksmanship. But once the nukes fly, someone gets too invested and goes balistic. What's worse is a player who gets mad can ruin the game inside the rules by nuking their own territory to bring the nukes on the board up to 12 which destrroys the world. Any game with a if-I-can't-win-everybody-dies mechanic will trigger rage eventually.
Diplomacy is the one game I will never, ever play again. The one time I played was a play-by-web game that went on for MONTHS, and when I was stabbed by my closest ally after we had been working in tandem for about two or three real-time months, I was actually disturbed by the depth of the emotional reaction I had. It was an anonymous game among a bunch of my friends, and I'm pretty sure if I had known who it was at the time, we would not still be friends today. The game went on for two or three more months after that, and I decided Never Again.
Brian Sebby Diplomacy is simply a game that you have to go into every negotiation assuming "this guy's lying". You will Have to be lied to at some point. Seven players, only one winner. That's easy math.
1 Monster, on Eldritch Horror, kills 3 of us, nearing the end of the game ... Luck of the dice even with fighting him with tons of dice was not on our side ... I rolled 8 dice and got only 1 success, leaving him with 3 wounds (2 from before) and he kills me :D After previously killing 2 of my co-investigators :D I die, get a new character, kill him, and throw my possessions and and the stamina he takes from me across the table along with his monster token into the box ... I had so many rage in me, I was so glad at least it was a co-op game so people just calmed me down :D Most rage in a board game experience, and I am never that frustrated guy in games! :D
When playing Cosmic Encounter with dual aliens/with one hidden, and someone's Warrior alien is super beefed up, and then they reveal their hidden alien is the Machine.
I happen to find Merchants and Marauders very rage inducing as well. My gaming group plays this game relatively often and everytime 1 or 2 people are absolutely flabbergasted and enraged about the luck another player has. good times :D
Great review! Top stuff. Died with laughter, and found it interesting that u were all laughing when describing the game u hate most! For that reason, DIPLOMACY is the game I LOVE and NOT love the most! :)
How did Settlers of Catan not make any of the lists? That is the classic game of BS like trading away all your rock and then playing Monopoly or cutting off someone's longest road.
meph, that's not really that bad, the worse experience we ever had was a long string of 7s with only one resource card in anyone's hands. And I mean 6 rounds of 5-2, 4-3, 6-1, etc... with three players. Pure dumb bad luck, but still annoying.
I hate playing Catan with my wife. She always makes many decisions that totally screw me without having any benefit for her. End up loosing and not allowing me to win either. But don't tell her :D
Republic of Rome. I was part of a group that played this game regularly at a local game store, and the owner moved us to the basement of the store because some shoppers felt that we were going to get into fights due to how competitive we were. I will still play that game. But I agree with Sam's choice of Robo Rally for the most rage-inducing game (and one that I also will never play again).
I really enjoy watching these old videos with the Sam, Tom and Zee. Nothing wrong with the new videos but these old videos have a degree of banter and nostalgia that I enjoy.
Where is Sam now?
@@Music-vr7sz he moved out of the state if I'm not mistaken
@@chillingcapybara8528does he has a channel? I would follow
Growing up, my dad had a 1971 sports illustrated football game. He would always play as the Dallas Cowboys because they were by far the best team in the box (this was not at a balanced game). I loved playing even though i constantly lost. I remember one night, i won two games in a row. It was an amazing feeling . My dad had been cussing about the dice all night. When i won that second game, he lost his cool and ripped up his beloved dallas cowboy sheet. I was both excited and horrified. Excited because i knew i would go to bed that night as champion. Horrified, because i wasn't sure he would ever play again. Well, he taped his dallas cowboy sheet back together and we have played many times since. The game now sits in my collection. And every time i see that Dallas cowboy sheet, i am reminded of a evening of both unbridled rage and the taste of sweet sweet victory.
The dice are always against me in Risk. I've played Risk on the computer and the pRNG dice were still against me.
That’s a fantastic story.
When you say football, i thought you mean soccer.
@@TheLordDSK he isn't gay.
Such a great story.
One of the best top 10 lists you have guys have done. Thank you much, I laughed alot during the viewing and can relate to some of the games :)
This felt less like a Top 10 and more like Sam Healey's Tales of Boardgaming Horror.
Goya Solidar Top 10 Healey Family Rows 😄
Almost Like PSTD stories.
"There I was. It was the devil's birthday in cambodia. We were 5 hours deep into diplomacy."
A few years ago my GF suggested we get some boardgames, so we went to a local games store and chose a couple. One of the ones we got was Risk Godstorm. After the setup, we made our initial moves. A couple of turns in, I took one of her territories... And that was the end of that game, and it never saw the light of day again.
Lol
I never play any Risk when there's any couple there. For whatever reason it seems like they always go home mad at each other.
Always let the girlfriend win.
@@petergross7235 what if there's also a wookie
Almost fell of my chair laughing at "You coulda made platypus"
No you didn't
It's been a while to see a Top Ten with all 3 of you. Much fun to watch. Thanks guys.
Tom and Zee eating popcorn and sipping soda killed me.
Thank you guys. 😄
I'll never not miss Sam and their interactions
38:15 nice story, and great impersonation of popcorn and soda by Zee :D Love these 3
I used to play Diplomacy with my dad and younger brother ALL the time while growing up. Betraying each other was kinda the whole thing. EVERYTHING was allowed: Stealing each others plans while mom called us to dinner, which lead to leaving FAKE plans lying around. Spying on the talks others would have. Man, I once hid a tape recorder (yes, I'm old) in the room where I knew my father and brother would go into to talk. I actually think no one ever got mad.
Then, years later, I played the game with friends. First scoring round, one was backstabbed by me. He looked SO hurt. I explained that shifting allegiances is kinda the point of the game, but he just kept repeating "I would NEVER do that to a friend!" . I felt like I had kicked a puppy. Needless to say, we broke off the game and never played it again. :/
I feel a live gameplay of Robo Rally as a stretch goal would bring in the money. :)
Tom stated that he will never make anyone play a game they dislike.
You guys were on form for this one! Had me grinning like a yahoo throughout :D
i watched an older episode when you list games not to play with angry people literally yesterday. possibly among the top most hilarious episodes you have ever done. couldn t be happier to see this show up.
I have not had a 'rage' experience in a very long time. My last one would have been Axis and Allies with my brother. In the late eighties and early nineties we had about a five year stretch where it seemed EVERY board game we played ended up in a rules dispute and whoever of the two of us came out on the short end would just rage quit. I remember the time when one of us, I think it was me,could well have been him, admitted the other just might be right. It was an A&A game and from that time, he is the person with whom I would more prefer to at a game than anyone else.
three amigos discussing one reason we all play games.. the memorable interactions between players. Great fun video to watch.
As a frequent mysterium player, I understand why the game is on the list. Lets talk about the dreaded poison bottle. It does not matter, whatever else is out on that field, EVERYONE and their grandmother thinks they have the poison, constantly, and no matter the cards you give them, they think it somehow is the poison, ITS MADNESS
Great TOP TEN, you guys! THANK YOU!!! Unfortunately, for people who play games, like they're playing for real money (and I met a few) every game is a rage inducing game...
This is my favorite top 10 video of yours so far haha
They should make a "suicide squad" version of Cuttthroat Caverns where it's just a team of super villains with an uneasy alliance.
So much yes to this xD
Cash n Guns is seriously the most rage-inducing game. I've never seen a game create more tension.
fury of Dracula. when you finally find him and he beats your down then dissapears. 😠
oh most definitely. That game takes long enough and to lose Drac makes it that much worse.
or Drac just rides out the timer in the last few turns sailing.
Monopoly : What is more enraging that having your kid receive a Monopoly (not the short dice or kids version, but the "real" one) from some distant relative and know that you'll be asked to play it and won't be able to say no ?
Make a deal with em, you'll play a game with them, but they have have to play some of your games too. 😁
Then they'll realise after how poor Monopoly compares to modern games.
I now have this mental image of Sam getting angry in pavlovian response every time someone rings a bell. :D
My favorite Dice Tower video so far. Love hearing the stories of frustration!
Nothing can be more rage inducing than that one absurdly lucky friend, you know the one who takes out your army of 32 with 2 people in Risk.
A great Top Ten video, one of my favorites. The games were good but I was laughing in tears with you guys which made it super enjoyable. Well done. :)
Loved the video guys. I'm not sure if I'm sadistic, but I kinda find it entertaining watching someone rage during a game (as long as it's not violent). Not only did you lose the game, but you lost your sanity!
I usually do not enjoy your negative based top 10's, but this ome came through very fun and energetic and I enjoyed it alot. Had a lot of fun watching the video.
I played about 10 games of risk in my younger days, no even once did any group ever finish. And every single game was with new people, since no one old wants to play again. When you combine a 6 hours game (many people's first time) and player elimination, there are guarantees to be a lot of bad blood. And people that lost stand around, making those still playing uncomfortable to keep on playing. Risk and monopoly probably duel-handedly killed this hobby for many people starting up. Monopoly sucks. Risk was brutal and make people angry.
Most fun I have ever seen Sam have!
That was a lot of fun to watch.
I love Dark Moon for the same reason Sam hates it. It ramps up the paranoia so fast. You really have to start playing the players on round one. Oh so good.
I second this; this is a unique mechanism. Dice chucking is not usually about control of what you can do with your rolls.
Yeah, this is why I like Dark Moon and Secret Hitler more than "straight" deduction games like Resistance and Werewolf. They both give you a bunch of "concrete" information to use for deduction, but there is also a lot of noise to mask the bad guys.
So many great laugh out loud moments in this. Thanks for the gut busters guys!
Amazing top ten list gentlemen!! Loved it.
Catan can be sooo frustrating with unbalanced dice, one time I had a 6, an 8, and some other numbers, this other guy had a 3, a 2, AND THEY KEPT COMING AND COMING, all 2s and 3s, he literally had more than 20 cards in his hand and NO 7 CAME UP. Meanwhile no 6 nor 8 ever happened, so I had to look how he just cut every possibility of advancement that I had not because it was particularly good for him but just because he saw that he could do it, and then just make 3 points in his last turn and still have more than 10 cards in his hand, aaaah.
This other time with a different copy of the game I was going to build a house somewhere, I just had to build the house, and then turn after turn went on and I got no resources, and this other gal comes and just builds a road and builds another road and then builds the house, ok, I'll go this way instead then-nope, the same gal comes and blocks me there, and the same thing the third time! This was with the recommended set up for first time players but I got NO resource, NO 6 almost in the whole game. Catan is a great game, but it comes with so cheap dice and there's nothing you can do about it if it happens to you, ok I'll just sit here and watch you take everything away from me why not, that seems fun.
Very funny list btw, really enjoyed watching it!
The most frustrating with Catan, not enraging but frustrating, is that it can literally be impossible for you to win on round 2 or 3. If people settle close to you during the initial setup and then get luckier than you and manage to block, you'll spend 90% of the game knowing that you can't possibly get more than 8 points even if you were to decide the result of every single dice throw.
"Your opponent has evil intentions." Bent Larsen's basic rule of chess strategy.
Definitely loved this one! Thanks a lot guys. Another solid video:D
There's nothing like the rage the first time somebody breaks a treaty with you in Risk. Rage is not relieved until YOU break a treaty. In college we all four got so enraged that we tore up each card individually, and the board, and threw them all over the room. What euphoria!
My resistance anger came when I was playing a 9 player game in which I was one of three spies, I threw the suspicion on myself by tanking a mission, but through some quick talking and arguing with my teammates I got both on the 4th mission which required two fails, when the vote was shown to have only one fail, I nearly lost my mind!
There are many games that have gotten me or someone else angry. When I was a kid, my brother, our friend, and I played A LOT of Risk and Fortress America. So much so that I never wanted to see another copy of Risk again. Flash forward several years and my brother pulls out the NEW Risk that has these special mission cards. Well, I bite, but remind my brother I'm done with the game. We get our mission cards and do our setup. Looking at the board, I notice a few things that would let me win the game easily so I set my plan in motion. I vacate Africa and begin attacking our friend, leaving everything ripe for a blitzkrieg down through Africa, for my brother. I'm green, he's red, and our friend is blue. I turn to my brother and smile. "I know you like Africa, I'm going to finish off Russia, why don't you take him out in Africa? My brother always goes for Africa so he smiles in return and I wipe out the blue forces in Russia. He then does his blitzkrieg and takes out the remaining blue in Africa and sees that I'm stretched out really thin and am easy pickings. Our friend is upset that he's been eliminated before his first turn when I smile and let him know that the game's over. That's when I reveal my secret mission card: I win if the blue player is eliminated. My brother went in to such a rage that I think he threw the game away. He's not as easy to manipulate after that, but boy oh boy was he angry! HAH! I really enjoyed this video, you guys had me laughing pretty hard at the end :)
Such a great story :)
This sounds like such a garbage game.
Ticket to ride..... I was saving for that damn freakin 8 train tunnel in Europe since the start of the GAME!
And on the USA board, someone beats you to New Orleans-Houston when it's critical to you.
When you need this 1 simple link to finish you very long route at the very last turns and someone just builds that route for no reason, just to clear his trains asap to end the game.
Settlers of Catan has caused more arguments and angry rants than any other game I have played. By far...
wedge47 Hey guys, all i produce is sheep. Who wants sheep. I'm desperate I'll even give it at discount. thanks for the trades. i really needed those resouces. one more thing.... i have a card i want to play. everyone give me all of one resource, sheep... so annoying. also the ability to block people, and put the robber on someones land. very annoying.
wedge47 fffc
i played this game yesterday. 5 Rounds in i have earned 3 resources so far....
maybe you just suck at the game? :D
Settlers is ok. But if you play with 5-6 players it generally becomes obnoxious. Particularly the Cities and Knigts expansion. We made the mistake of playing that and it turned an hour and a half game into a 3 + hour game. Maybe it was slowness due to lack of familiarity with the game, but it was excruciatingly boring.
Munchkin and Cyclades. I will never ever play these games again and both for the same reasons:
1. King making by helping that player direktly and basically admitting that they want him to win
2. King making by doing nothing even though you could
3. Dragging emotions and grudges from last game into next and start to target players from the start. the result is always indirect king making.
If you can't tell by now: King making for the sake of pissing off someone always makes me rage.
Had to sell Game of Thrones and give away Risk Legacy for this very reason...gaaaahhhhh! Makes me froth at the mouth I get so angry, frickin Kingmaking.
Aaron Dovauo what's king making ?
Al Bie Well, others may have their own definition but I consider it "King making" when one player ignores their own win conditions to either allow or even assist another player to win. There are very few games that are not heavily impacted by this negative behaviour if a player chooses to be a kingmaker.
There are a few reasons this can wreck an otherwise fun game, but the most common issue is that most games are implicitly balanced so that everyone is trying to "win," whatever that looks like. When one player doesn't pursue that it means who ever they are supporting (or just ignoring) is at a considerable advantage.
Another reason it is annoying is it is basically a big "fuck you" to the rest of the table, and especially towards whoever the kingmaker is attacking. The kingmaker is basically saying "I have fun by making sure you don't." It's pretty low behaviour.
Aaron Dovauo thanks for the explanation. I kind of deduced this, but wasn't sure. That would annoy me too. These guys should do a video on top 10 annoying gamer behaviors!
4 player Rummikub, I watched 3 players play tiles while I collected tiles, my frustration building, in the end, one of the 3 players won, I had to almost get another board to fit my tiles.
Zee's thing about Deception: Murder in Hong Kong where people get off track onto some wild-ass alternate theory...every single game of Codenames ever. JUST PICK YOUR FIRST GUESS AND YOU'LL BE RIGHT!
littleratblue I was screaming codenames at the screen his while description.
this top 10 list is #3 on my top 10 top 10 dice tower lists! loved this one :)
you guys are awesome!!! what a great top 10 video!!! Laughed and Smiled through the whole thing :)
I once had a friend who, during a game of Catan, stood up, went to the wall, and punched a hole in it. One of the nicest guys you'll ever meet too.
Great top ten!!. As always!!!!....
I will love to see a top ten 4x games from you guys.
Used Diplomacy's reputation for inducing rage to my advantage once. My friend and I were playing with a new group, he was Austria and I was France. I had teamed up with England and Germany. A couple turns in they stabbed me on something inconsequential, think it was one of the lowland neutrals. When they did, I went on a 5 minute rant about how I'm going to throw everything I have into ruining them even if it costs me the game.
My friend and I have been gaming forever and he knows me well. The discussion phase after my rant we go into another room to talk. As soon as he closes the door he goes "So, Italy it is then?" I'm like "Yep". Poor guy left himself wide open thinking his border with me was safe, and England and Germany were bracing for impact. Took 3 bases from Italy in one turn.
Monopoly. I had many arguments playing that game. I used to like it even though there had been a few arguments. But a few years before I was a board game hobbyist, my wife and I, with a friend and his wife a couple other players played Monopoly. 1 player we discovered never traded at all, ever! No matter how sweet the deal was made to him he wouldn't trade. I got angry. But the there were other arguments, I decided after that game I would never play Monopoly again.
Doma Agape If I'm actually winning this long boring game, it seems like everyone wants to quit. which I then drive them to because I say... oh no, your going to sit right there and let me destroy you as I build my empire. I didn't want to play this game but if I'm winning by God your going to sit there until I do.
Monopoly is the worst board game ever, IMO.
@@elink2k1 this made me laugh so hard. So true.
If you were a "board game hobbyist" then how could you end up playing Monopoly over literally ANYTHING else??
I cannot believe you wouldn't had recommended anything else, unless you were playing with children and all that you had was complex games.
@@Chronically_ChiII Please re-read my statement, I stated: ...But a few years BEFORE I was a board game hobbyist...
Possibly the funniest top ten yet. loved it!
Targi- the worker placement is so tightly constricted that I spend the whole game feeling like I just got shafted. Doesn't help that my opponent is really good at it and I've never managed to beat him.
I love darkmoon... I took that dice mechanic and put it into an Role Playing Game when I gave each player a note saying, "You feel something attempt to take over your mind, but you kept control...did the rest of your party feel this? and more importantly, did THEY keep control?" They had to use the dice mechanic to sneak and disable alarms......and they turned on each other FAST! Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
I shall raise the rage level regarding Diplomacy. I was walking through the gaming area at GenCon on a Sunday morning, passing by the tables hosting the final round of the Diplomacy Tournament. Just in time I saw one player totally lose it. He turned to another player with total anger on his face and lunged at him. They both grappled for a few seconds, then their combined momentum took both of them, still embracing in mutually applied death grips, away from their gaming area and into the tables next to them where they both collapsed onto the tables that were currently hosting a large scale miniatures game. That got the miniatures judge involved, and it took the arrival of convention security to bring the matter to an end. Later on I learned that the two guys in the Diplomacy game were (up to that time!) good friends who had come to GenCon specifically to enter the Diplomacy Tournament, having already agreed to work together to their mutual benefit. Only after both made it to the final round did one of the guys decide to betray his best friend. Game-wise, beautiful move; in reality, I had witnessed a long friendship dissolve before my eyes.
That game almost cost me three close friends. We got halfway through it and agreed to burn it and never play it again.
Awesome, love you guys. One of the best top tens you have ever done.
I agree with Tom that Diplomacy is probably the most frustrating game ever. I've been back-stabbed by people because another player gave them a doughnut! It is an incredibly frustrating game - you can spend a whole day (we'd play 1 move a day) planning and negotiating the most amazing move and then the ones who are supposed to support you do something else and you've just lost the game. But I also think this is one of the best games ever...
The instant Sam mentioned Diplomacy I thought "I bet that's Tom's #1 and he's gonna try to shut him up." 😂
Like the bloodrage conversation. Dropping the Fool on someone for there 15th card in Everdell. Watch there eyes melt from their skulls.
Can't believe MTG isn't on here. I've seen people tear up lands as they are drawn, flip tables because their permanents keep getting bounced, etc.
My thoughts exactly. I have seen a lot of nerd rage playing Magic.
It really depends on the people playing. I have been playing magic for years at my local game store and have yet to see someone do anything even close to that. I've only seen people get frustrated before, but not rage-filled.
Though I have heard of it, and I'm sure it happens with some people.
I used to play the MTG a lot in the 90s and it seems like in my area all players sort of agreed on two gentleman house rules to play by, which really relieved frustration:
1. Don't put counterspells in your deck.
2. No direct damage to players.
3. Don't add (or remove) cards to your deck to beat another specific deck or color. If you for example want a Circle of Protection in your deck then keep them in all the time.
If someone didn't adhere to these rules, you wouldn't play them again.
Everyone usually carried about 3 decks too, so if someone's main deck was too powerful you could just request to play one of their weaker decks.
I stopped playing some time after 5th edition, so I'm sure a lot of annoying mechanisms have been added to the game since then.
settlers of catan totally. nothing worse then getting land locked in the first turn.
1. We were playing a 3-player game. Initial settlements in, 2 of us are fighting for the same port. Both of us need a brick to build a road to reach there. And this 3rd player trades with the other guy and I have been land locked.
2. Someone making a stupid trade with a person who seemingly is on 6 points. After the trade, the player reveals the third knight card and builds a settlement to win the game.
I can go on and on. It is important to play with players who know what is going on in the game.
Spyfall - if you've been given the Spy card for the 4th turn in a row...although all the other players find this hilarious 😁
Cthulwho? Spy fall when you turn to another player in a hospital and say the next question you ask better be a good one or I'm pulling the rip cord on you... and he says, "Are you ever afraid of drowning at your location?". What? He clearly has no idea we are at a hospital... I accuse him and he is a doctor... What? Ask if I visit this location is it possible that I might get 'shot'? And then there is the guy who said you might smell trees in a grocery store. when questioned, he said that they may sell an air freshener. or what's up with vague answers from non spy like maybe or sometimes. I'm in a bank and they ask if I make a lot of money... my answer is... if I don't get caught. my question is Do you see Ben often at this location? come on people... get it together.
As much as I feel relevant and opinnionised to these Top 10s, I still feel you guys can condense them even further. I love the Dice Tower. Keep it up.
New to your channel. Love the lists...this one was by far the funniest! great effort!
I agree with the Catan comments! I played a game with another father and his two sons. He and one son agreed to gang up on the other, who was about to win the game. In order to steal the longest road card, he needed four wheat to trade for a brick. So he traded one wheat for two wheat from his son, giving him the four he needed and stealing the road. The other son had no more road pieces and ended up losing! It might not have been legal-in fact, I’m sure it wasn’t-but the ensuing rage lasted fifteen minutes!
The first time we played Arboretum, we misunderstood the rules to allow stealing runs that other players had spent the entire game building. So the end-game was like Babel on steroids. Things got a bit tense - then we re-read the rules and had a good laugh.
I've seen people just leave a session of Citadels after being assassinated multiple times. The most rage inducing game I've seen first hand is Merchants and Marauders. When a player boards another player's ship, and takes all their stuff that they have been working on for 2 hours, it usually ends in components being thrown.
Was Zee throwing a Dave Chappelle impersonation out there @ 34:20?! Fantastic!
Brett Brewe
The first game that comes to mind is Nile. You see everyone else harvesting their fields but you can't even plant one at times and if you do manage to plant one, you'll be outplanted the very next turn, causing you to discard the field. And as if that wasn't enough, once you get three or more crop fields under your control, before you can say "wait, my fields have the same number of cards and they're tied for most cards"- the next flipped card will be Plague of Locusts. All of those cards - eaten.
Laughed so hard at 57:10 - 57:40
This was a great video
Definitely the funniest episode I've watched, thanks
the resistance for the same reasons. And still trying to get my hands on lifeboats. great show.
Awesome list, even my wife who has no interest in board games was watching with me and laughing. Anyway, my rage inducing games would be Monopoly, Diplomacy, this game where it's a team of aliens vs. astronauts and everyone has a dry-erase hidden-movement pad (I forget what it's called but I played it once and never will again), and Agricola. God damn I get so goddamn angry in Agricola. I hate that game now with a blazing hatred of a thousand suns.
Hanabi...The fact when people don't get your clues or give you weird clues.
Paperback comes with a variant to help mitigate the analysis paralysis, I'm allowing others to help you make your word out of your letters, and whoever's word you pick gets a penny to use for their next turn
Could you imagine playing Paperback with Tom? You’d have to constantly be saying “That’s not a word”
Hey guys,
I love your lists! This one too, of course.
But I miss a top 10 "space games" list. You once did a "sci-fi" list, which ended up
in a huge discussion, of what sci-fi is. :D
Not that it wasn´t cool and funny but I´d love to see a top 10 of space games.
And/or an updatet top 10 Cp-op list.
The biggest argument my group ever had (and this was more group specific than the game itself) was in our first game of Twilight Imperium. We spent an entire hour arguing about how Sarween Tools is supposed to work because the guy that owns the game had a completely ridiculous interpretation but everyone believed him because he owned it.
Great list and love your humor. My #1 is resistance. “Since it’s your copy/ you are hosting the event you must be the red team”.........I gave away my copy.
51:14 Tom's Bill Cosby impression on full display
@48:00 you are describing 90% of the time in software development.... maybe that's why I like Mech vs Minions... it's the same feeling but without the pressure to get it right yesterday :D
My tabletop night occasionally had games of diplomacy, but we either set a reasonable time limit or would decide the next turn or 2 to be the last to not have it go 8 hours. The short periods combined with the fact that we pretty much used the whole room to pace around and negotiate made Diplomacy an amazing experience. But I don't think I would ever play a full game.
Firefly the board game. When I stole the other guy's whole crew, he sure wasn't happy.. ;-)
My friends love Risk and to this day I refuse to play with them because every time somebody will get bored of the game, want to stop playing, attack me with all of his troops, and leave the table.
Cosmic Encounters (first time playing): People draw Encounter cards. All of them your color, consecutively.
People remember that day as "The Flip".
The funniest top 10 ever! Thanks o/
31:15 "...you punched him" oh man that line makes me laugh every time just imagining Sam punching Marty over Mysterium.
There was a game that all my friends agreed was a fun game and we played it over and over for more than a year. Then we put it away and swore never to play it again to preserve our friendships. Every single game had one or more shouting matches, slammed doors, and general hurt feelings. That game was Supremecy. A very well made game about Cold War politics and brinksmanship. But once the nukes fly, someone gets too invested and goes balistic. What's worse is a player who gets mad can ruin the game inside the rules by nuking their own territory to bring the nukes on the board up to 12 which destrroys the world. Any game with a if-I-can't-win-everybody-dies mechanic will trigger rage eventually.
Diplomacy is the one game I will never, ever play again. The one time I played was a play-by-web game that went on for MONTHS, and when I was stabbed by my closest ally after we had been working in tandem for about two or three real-time months, I was actually disturbed by the depth of the emotional reaction I had. It was an anonymous game among a bunch of my friends, and I'm pretty sure if I had known who it was at the time, we would not still be friends today. The game went on for two or three more months after that, and I decided Never Again.
Brian Sebby Diplomacy is simply a game that you have to go into every negotiation assuming "this guy's lying". You will Have to be lied to at some point. Seven players, only one winner. That's easy math.
1 Monster, on Eldritch Horror, kills 3 of us, nearing the end of the game ... Luck of the dice even with fighting him with tons of dice was not on our side ... I rolled 8 dice and got only 1 success, leaving him with 3 wounds (2 from before) and he kills me :D After previously killing 2 of my co-investigators :D
I die, get a new character, kill him, and throw my possessions and and the stamina he takes from me across the table along with his monster token into the box ... I had so many rage in me, I was so glad at least it was a co-op game so people just calmed me down :D
Most rage in a board game experience, and I am never that frustrated guy in games! :D
When playing Cosmic Encounter with dual aliens/with one hidden, and someone's Warrior alien is super beefed up, and then they reveal their hidden alien is the Machine.
I happen to find Merchants and Marauders very rage inducing as well. My gaming group plays this game relatively often and everytime 1 or 2 people are absolutely flabbergasted and enraged about the luck another player has. good times :D
Great review! Top stuff. Died with laughter, and found it interesting that u were all laughing when describing the game u hate most! For that reason, DIPLOMACY is the game I LOVE and NOT love the most! :)
Lol what a good laugh I had! Nice work guys!
How did Settlers of Catan not make any of the lists? That is the classic game of BS like trading away all your rock and then playing Monopoly or cutting off someone's longest road.
meph, that's not really that bad, the worse experience we ever had was a long string of 7s with only one resource card in anyone's hands. And I mean 6 rounds of 5-2, 4-3, 6-1, etc... with three players. Pure dumb bad luck, but still annoying.
I hate playing Catan with my wife. She always makes many decisions that totally screw me without having any benefit for her. End up loosing and not allowing me to win either. But don't tell her :D
For Roborally, we play Pac-man style. If you fall off the edge, you just warp to the other side. Saves a ton of frustration.
that face when "casanova frankenstein" has a FRIGGIN OSCAR
I punched my own Brother for slowing the progression of my interstellar empire. Twilight imperium
Or when your brother becomes a puppet of the guy who is winning and basically hands him the game for nothing in return.
"One of the reasons I still have an unopened copy of this game is..."
"You're waiting for that guy?"
That made me laugh longer than it should have.
Republic of Rome. I was part of a group that played this game regularly at a local game store, and the owner moved us to the basement of the store because some shoppers felt that we were going to get into fights due to how competitive we were. I will still play that game.
But I agree with Sam's choice of Robo Rally for the most rage-inducing game (and one that I also will never play again).