Hey all, just a heads up there is a small typo at 02:33 . Under Body Modifier it should read: If limb: BM = 0.50. Limb damage does only 50% and as stated in the previous section. Thank you to Nova for catching that! I originally was going to upload a new video to correct this but didn't want to erase all the comments below of people sharing their build ideas/info and how they rank the enchantments so I figured I could pin this comment instead. Under the video description you will now find downloadable copies of the formulas and graphs. Feel free share them in your discord/online communities or use them in your vids. No need to link or credit - just grind out the game next play test and have the best time you can with your friends is all I ask of you in return.
i can already tell this videos will be those classic guides new players find and veterans come back to once this game takes the world by storm. gods work.
I was not expecting that shoutout, was just watching a new upload and got so pleasantly surprised. Great video! Perfect explanation on how the stats work with great graphics that make it very simple to visualize it. Your videos keep getting better!
Great video, people always say that weapon rolls are self explanatory and which they are but its nice to have the full calculations so you know exactly how your damage is getting calculated
You currently doing the *best, most in-depth and informative* videos on Dark and Darker. Keep up the high quality content and you will go far. These are one of a kind videos that go deeper than 99% of anything else I've seen. Thank you!!!
This is a great video, the only thing lacking, is like 2 or 3 examples, showing the numbers and outcomes of your calculations, given different inputs. That would solidify the whole explanation for me, since at this point it doesn't really show you what different weapons can do, with different low strength stats, and the higher outliers too. If you know of a video, or can make one yourself, that'd be sweet!
Each point of will is always always always always 3% magic damage and .33% resistance NO MATTER WHAT. This makes it by far the best stat to stack in the game bc there is no kap which is why wizard is overpowered
@@hebogumbo9342 this is not true. cleric's have 30 starting will but only a 40% magic power bonus. 20 will is a 15% magic power bonus (that's wizard's starting will and power bonus). if it was a constant 3% per point clerics would have a 45% magic power bonus at 30 will, not 40%.
thank you very much!! it was so confusing to trade items and there are so many different stats without explaination in game. great video :D helped me a lot!
I saw another video where it was (WD+AD)(1+PPB) opposed to your ((WD))*(1+PPB)+AD). One where the Additional Damage is scaled by the Physical Power Bonus, and another where it isn't. As a rogue with low base PPB, I'm just trying to figure out when I should value Weapon Damage over Additional, and when that relationship switches. I wonder which equation is right. Edit: In either case, top notch video Ryan. Really. Making all this information easy to understand and all in under 6 minutes is impressive.
Hey awesome video, but on your final graphic for the damage calculatios you have "If limb: BM = -1.50" when I Believe it should say "If limb: BM = 0.50"
3:16 according to the wiki agility is a flat bonus to movespeed, not a percentage. so 1 agility is usually 1-3 movespeed (usually 1 movespeed or less for most classes). not 1%. if it is 1% you should get in touch with the wiki guys.
I think it's worth noting that even among physical damage dealing classes there are different priorities. The polar opposites I'm thinking of are Barbarian and Rogue. A Barb may land a few hits with high base Weapon Damage while a Rogue lands a lot of hits with low base Weapon damage. Which changes how the two classes value flat vs percentage scaling. I still feel like flat scaling is really good for Barb but it's amazing for Rogue/Ranger.
My stat prio for Rogues: 1. All Attrib 2. Weapon Damage 3. True Physical Damage 4. Additional Physical Damage 5. Strength until you reach 15 6. Armor Penetration % 7. Agility 8. Additional Movement Speed and % Movement Speed 9. Strength beyond 15 10. % max health 11. Physical Power
Good video but there is something to be said for the classes under 15 strength. For instance rogue actually wants additional physical damage instead of weapon damage since they get the negative multiplier to it. Ontop of classes like barb who reduce that multiplier by another 25% making additional physical way better. Also additional physical adds to the damage of rupture meaning for that rupture hit you get 2x the bonuses of the stat.
@@ryan6daysaweek yeah i really liked in the last test taking rupture with caltrops, then relying on invis pots. with that you stealth have someone walk into the room gets hit by the caltrops, then hit them with a rupture and more then likely they die. if they dont then i just throw daggers at them. They also cant retaliate any damage back because of how slow they are after getting hit by caltrops.
Do you know how the Rogue's Rupture skill interacts with physical power? I've been told by people that it is not effected by any other modifiers, and is a flat 20 physical damage, but I haven't seen any evidence anywhere to confirm how the calculation works. Either way, great video!
Where do perks such as backstab and ambush come into this? do they multiply for additional damage (rupture)? I would assume they fit next to the BM multiplier somewhere but didnt test it out
I'm really curious how magic damage works. The description of Smite and Ignite says 'additional magic damage' but it seems to be effected by Magical Power Bonus. Very weird.
Hello Jason! Phys power and Magic power apply to skills (most of them) separately and then their damage bonus is added in as Additional Damage, that way their increase isn't applied twice. I hope to have a video on this soon but skills are usually the first target when devs are rebalancing so I might have to wait on that.
@@ryan6daysaweek so is additional magic damage not improved by magic damage bonus? from my experience in playtest 4 additional magic damage *was* affected by magic power bonus. if it hadn't been, idk how my zaps could have been hitting the target dummy for ~75-80 damage.
if physical reduction is eqaul to (enemy physical reduction - armor pentration) does that mean that if the enemy has no damage reduction (e.g) (0%-5%)=-5% then armor pen increases damage?
A major question I have is if mobs in D&D have armor values and if armor pen impacts them? If so that could place armor pen at a much higher value having benefit to pve and pvp tank killing. Do you by chance know?
Hello Anomaly! Ranger bow damage is physical so the strength stat would provide damage though the Physical Power Bonus % similar to that of weapon damage. Right now, Rangers start with 10 strength, so adding a strength point here would mean a +3% increase to your weapon damage. This actually will now bring your Ranger into the next strength/physical power bracket which starts at 11 strength - meaning any additional points of strength increase your weapon damage by +2% until the next bracket. Once at 15%, each point of strength now increases your bow damage by +1%. These are the exact same calculations you would use if your ranger was using a melee weapon, the only difference really is in the On-Hit calc where you have to factor in Projectile resistance as well.
True damage does benefit from headshot bonus. I tested this myself on the training dummie during the last playtest. a 4 true physical damage pants gave me +6 damage when doing a headshot as ranger with longbow. It's possible other weapons dont benefit from the headshot damage. I also had the ranger's headshot damage perk on which may have changed the outcome as well.
@@mrperson1324 hello mrperson, thank you for watching the vid! I'm seeing that move speed increases at 1% per point of agility when starting at 15 agility, +0.5% from starting from 45 agility, and then +0.33% starting at 65 and beyond. This is using game data from the last playtest as well as double checked with a few sources - I couldn't find any info on the patch notes either for this change making it a flat 0.33% all of the way through like your comment suggests. I do want this video to be as accurate as possible though so would you be able to share some info on how you got that # so I could update the desc if needed?
@@ryan6daysaweek That is my mistake I forgot the percentages change based off the amount you have. I had enough agility on my rogue when I was testing to put me into 0.33% range. I do stand by the headshot damage though
Ok now, attributes is a much worse stat than + weapon dmg. Weapon dmg can roll up to +5 on some gear pieces. For strength's bonus to dmg to even be comparable to +wpdmg your weapon would need to have 100 base dmg.
Hello Veradux! This is true, if you are going for just the damage number in your basic attacks then the weapon damage enchant would be preferred over attribute enchantments. I really value the additional bonuses like hp and movement/attack speed provided by attributes which is why it sits higher on my ranking. I play fighter on a team though so enchantments are all situational and up to the build!
focusing only on attack damage is a mistake, because there are classes that can kill you before you are able to do damage to them. if you only stack damage on your gear, you'll be easily one shot by equally geared players. maximizing strength means you can still kill most players in 1 to 2 hits, but you'll also have enough HP to survive way more than 1 or 2 hits from enemy players. if your gear has all attributes instead of strength, you'll not only have all the benefits of strength, but also significantly more movement speed, attack speed, magic resistance, and interaction speed. its unquestionably the best enchantment, and a full set of +3 all attributes gear would probably be the best gear set in the game, and also cost a fortune.
According to the formula it's much more beneficial to increase Additional Damage instead of Weapon Damage for fast attacking weapons or for classes that has low STR. And vice versa for Slow attacking and high base damage weapons with 15+ STR. As for Axe/Dagger throwing builds you want True Damage. Especially for poison dagger builds, it drastically increases damage. So in my mind for roges, mages and rangers you want to invest in Additional Damage and at least 15 STR total. Also I am kinda confused with negative Resistance Reduction. If the formula changes to negative, then we have downside by having any form of True Damage. P.S. in my opinion the resistance part should be (1 - (Resistance - Penetration) / 100). This way if you have Penetration > Resistance you get increased damage in formula and no negative sign problem.
Oh my who calculates for a game. It’s a game and I guess people just want to take the fun out of it. Which is why I don’t like games like this. Would be better if it weren’t infested with TH-camrs desperate for attention and if the devs kept the numbers hidden imo. Otherwise people who have nothing better to do just analyze the meta and ruin the game.
Hey Jeremy, sorry if you feel like this has ruined gaming for you. One of the best parts about playing any kind of gear based pvp(ve) game is creating cool builds to try out, even if they don't work! I know from first hand experience that it's really hard to piece together something that fits your own unique playstyle without know what the enchantments actually do - so my goal is just to provide more information and spark some interesting discussion from the community. I don't think I have set the meta at all from this video haha, so I wouldn't worry about that haha. Hope you give Dark and Darker another shot in Playtest 5, it is a fantastic game!
Hey all, just a heads up there is a small typo at 02:33 . Under Body Modifier it should read: If limb: BM = 0.50. Limb damage does only 50% and as stated in the previous section. Thank you to Nova for catching that! I originally was going to upload a new video to correct this but didn't want to erase all the comments below of people sharing their build ideas/info and how they rank the enchantments so I figured I could pin this comment instead.
Under the video description you will now find downloadable copies of the formulas and graphs. Feel free share them in your discord/online communities or use them in your vids. No need to link or credit - just grind out the game next play test and have the best time you can with your friends is all I ask of you in return.
i can already tell this videos will be those classic guides new players find and veterans come back to once this game takes the world by storm. gods work.
thank you for the kind words Yareese! I hope the info was helpful!
I was not expecting that shoutout, was just watching a new upload and got so pleasantly surprised.
Great video! Perfect explanation on how the stats work with great graphics that make it very simple to visualize it. Your videos keep getting better!
seeing the skele hit for a pixel amount of damage was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen haha
Amidst an onslaught of garbage speculative opinion videos this video was to the point, accurate and informative. Nice one.
A pioneer and a scholar. Your work is appreciated comrade
Been loving the vids, it's been relieving my DnD Addiction :D
Great video, people always say that weapon rolls are self explanatory and which they are but its nice to have the full calculations so you know exactly how your damage is getting calculated
You currently doing the *best, most in-depth and informative* videos on Dark and Darker. Keep up the high quality content and you will go far. These are one of a kind videos that go deeper than 99% of anything else I've seen. Thank you!!!
This is a great video, the only thing lacking, is like 2 or 3 examples, showing the numbers and outcomes of your calculations, given different inputs. That would solidify the whole explanation for me, since at this point it doesn't really show you what different weapons can do, with different low strength stats, and the higher outliers too.
If you know of a video, or can make one yourself, that'd be sweet!
You should do one like this for wizards / rogue magic damage!
Magical damage works in familiar way, not the same formula tho. 1 will = 3% magic dmg and 0.33% magic dmg reduction.
Each point of will is always always always always 3% magic damage and .33% resistance NO MATTER WHAT. This makes it by far the best stat to stack in the game bc there is no kap which is why wizard is overpowered
@@hebogumbo9342 Are you sure of this? The spells and guns wiki says otherwise, if I'm understanding it correctly
@@hebogumbo9342 this is not true. cleric's have 30 starting will but only a 40% magic power bonus. 20 will is a 15% magic power bonus (that's wizard's starting will and power bonus). if it was a constant 3% per point clerics would have a 45% magic power bonus at 30 will, not 40%.
@@bomjus1706 you probably think strength isn't one of the worst stats on barbarian
thank you very much!! it was so confusing to trade items and there are so many different stats without explaination in game. great video :D helped me a lot!
thanks Rafe, I'll have an update video on this soon
I saw another video where it was (WD+AD)(1+PPB) opposed to your ((WD))*(1+PPB)+AD). One where the Additional Damage is scaled by the Physical Power Bonus, and another where it isn't.
As a rogue with low base PPB, I'm just trying to figure out when I should value Weapon Damage over Additional, and when that relationship switches. I wonder which equation is right.
Edit: In either case, top notch video Ryan. Really. Making all this information easy to understand and all in under 6 minutes is impressive.
Hey awesome video, but on your final graphic for the damage calculatios you have "If limb: BM = -1.50" when I Believe it should say "If limb: BM = 0.50"
This is a good catch!!! I'm gonna pin this message for now and reupload the video after I edit that - been staying up too late haha
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3:16 according to the wiki agility is a flat bonus to movespeed, not a percentage. so 1 agility is usually 1-3 movespeed (usually 1 movespeed or less for most classes). not 1%. if it is 1% you should get in touch with the wiki guys.
I think it's worth noting that even among physical damage dealing classes there are different priorities. The polar opposites I'm thinking of are Barbarian and Rogue. A Barb may land a few hits with high base Weapon Damage while a Rogue lands a lot of hits with low base Weapon damage. Which changes how the two classes value flat vs percentage scaling. I still feel like flat scaling is really good for Barb but it's amazing for Rogue/Ranger.
My stat prio for Rogues:
1. All Attrib
2. Weapon Damage
3. True Physical Damage
4. Additional Physical Damage
5. Strength until you reach 15
6. Armor Penetration %
7. Agility
8. Additional Movement Speed and % Movement Speed
9. Strength beyond 15
10. % max health
11. Physical Power
Another banger video!
this is a phenomenal video thank you. PLEASE make one for my bonk brethren for magical damage/magical power/will/knowledge etc
Good video but there is something to be said for the classes under 15 strength. For instance rogue actually wants additional physical damage instead of weapon damage since they get the negative multiplier to it. Ontop of classes like barb who reduce that multiplier by another 25% making additional physical way better. Also additional physical adds to the damage of rupture meaning for that rupture hit you get 2x the bonuses of the stat.
Hello Kyle, these are all excellent points - I have a skills video coming soon in the pipeline that I'll be referencing this comment for!
@@ryan6daysaweek yeah i really liked in the last test taking rupture with caltrops, then relying on invis pots. with that you stealth have someone walk into the room gets hit by the caltrops, then hit them with a rupture and more then likely they die. if they dont then i just throw daggers at them. They also cant retaliate any damage back because of how slow they are after getting hit by caltrops.
awesome vid, ty
Can you do the other stats too please?
Splendid. Good work.
Great work
Awesome content!
Holy crap I got a Shout Out
the armor goat has arrived lmao
+Physical power bonus can roll up to 5% I think. Which makes it pretty good.
Do you know how the Rogue's Rupture skill interacts with physical power? I've been told by people that it is not effected by any other modifiers, and is a flat 20 physical damage, but I haven't seen any evidence anywhere to confirm how the calculation works. Either way, great video!
Where do perks such as backstab and ambush come into this? do they multiply for additional damage (rupture)? I would assume they fit next to the BM multiplier somewhere but didnt test it out
I'm really curious how magic damage works. The description of Smite and Ignite says 'additional magic damage' but it seems to be effected by Magical Power Bonus. Very weird.
Hello Jason! Phys power and Magic power apply to skills (most of them) separately and then their damage bonus is added in as Additional Damage, that way their increase isn't applied twice. I hope to have a video on this soon but skills are usually the first target when devs are rebalancing so I might have to wait on that.
@@ryan6daysaweek so is additional magic damage not improved by magic damage bonus? from my experience in playtest 4 additional magic damage *was* affected by magic power bonus. if it hadn't been, idk how my zaps could have been hitting the target dummy for ~75-80 damage.
Any tips on how to block better? I feel like sometimes NPCs hit me though the shield
GREAT VIDEO !! even wiki doesn't say this . make oen for magic thank you alot !
if physical reduction is eqaul to (enemy physical reduction - armor pentration) does that mean that if the enemy has no damage reduction (e.g) (0%-5%)=-5% then armor pen increases damage?
Explained well, now just gotta wait a month and a half :)
everyday without dark and darker is the darkest day ):
A major question I have is if mobs in D&D have armor values and if armor pen impacts them? If so that could place armor pen at a much higher value having benefit to pve and pvp tank killing. Do you by chance know?
Love it now please tell me this. Does the strength stat do anything for rangers bow damage?
Hello Anomaly! Ranger bow damage is physical so the strength stat would provide damage though the Physical Power Bonus % similar to that of weapon damage. Right now, Rangers start with 10 strength, so adding a strength point here would mean a +3% increase to your weapon damage. This actually will now bring your Ranger into the next strength/physical power bracket which starts at 11 strength - meaning any additional points of strength increase your weapon damage by +2% until the next bracket. Once at 15%, each point of strength now increases your bow damage by +1%. These are the exact same calculations you would use if your ranger was using a melee weapon, the only difference really is in the On-Hit calc where you have to factor in Projectile resistance as well.
Hey can you do a video about will/magical power?
will do mrdaniel - this will probably be worked on after this next balancing patch is implemented since a lot of spells are subject to rebalancing
Is this music franks adventure?
Doesn't this formula work with Wizards too, except all is magical and it's will attribute instead of strength?
True damage does benefit from headshot bonus. I tested this myself on the training dummie during the last playtest. a 4 true physical damage pants gave me +6 damage when doing a headshot as ranger with longbow. It's possible other weapons dont benefit from the headshot damage. I also had the ranger's headshot damage perk on which may have changed the outcome as well.
Agility also only provides 0.33% movement per point; changed since last playtest.
@@mrperson1324 hello mrperson, thank you for watching the vid!
I'm seeing that move speed increases at 1% per point of agility when starting at 15 agility, +0.5% from starting from 45 agility, and then +0.33% starting at 65 and beyond. This is using game data from the last playtest as well as double checked with a few sources - I couldn't find any info on the patch notes either for this change making it a flat 0.33% all of the way through like your comment suggests. I do want this video to be as accurate as possible though so would you be able to share some info on how you got that # so I could update the desc if needed?
@@ryan6daysaweek That is my mistake I forgot the percentages change based off the amount you have. I had enough agility on my rogue when I was testing to put me into 0.33% range. I do stand by the headshot damage though
Im an idiot does the 1+need to be in (1+physical power bonus)?
Yay! Here comes the min/max videos, say goobye to the fun!
That's literally part of the fun of an RPG... plus without knowing what the stats do you can't accurately make a build that suits your playstyle..
Ok now, attributes is a much worse stat than + weapon dmg.
Weapon dmg can roll up to +5 on some gear pieces.
For strength's bonus to dmg to even be comparable to +wpdmg your weapon would need to have 100 base dmg.
Hello Veradux! This is true, if you are going for just the damage number in your basic attacks then the weapon damage enchant would be preferred over attribute enchantments. I really value the additional bonuses like hp and movement/attack speed provided by attributes which is why it sits higher on my ranking. I play fighter on a team though so enchantments are all situational and up to the build!
focusing only on attack damage is a mistake, because there are classes that can kill you before you are able to do damage to them. if you only stack damage on your gear, you'll be easily one shot by equally geared players. maximizing strength means you can still kill most players in 1 to 2 hits, but you'll also have enough HP to survive way more than 1 or 2 hits from enemy players. if your gear has all attributes instead of strength, you'll not only have all the benefits of strength, but also significantly more movement speed, attack speed, magic resistance, and interaction speed. its unquestionably the best enchantment, and a full set of +3 all attributes gear would probably be the best gear set in the game, and also cost a fortune.
@@Guts3570 thats not true. Damage scales exponentially higher than the ehp you can get from strength.
my question is why are wizards constantly nerfed when we get 1 tapped by everything and struggle to pve?
Hell yeah
Yeah
I really need magical dmg for th next video
Seems like lots have problems with the champions. My arcane barrage could 3 shot one :)
According to the formula it's much more beneficial to increase Additional Damage instead of Weapon Damage for fast attacking weapons or for classes that has low STR. And vice versa for Slow attacking and high base damage weapons with 15+ STR.
As for Axe/Dagger throwing builds you want True Damage. Especially for poison dagger builds, it drastically increases damage.
So in my mind for roges, mages and rangers you want to invest in Additional Damage and at least 15 STR total.
Also I am kinda confused with negative Resistance Reduction. If the formula changes to negative, then we have downside by having any form of True Damage.
P.S. in my opinion the resistance part should be (1 - (Resistance - Penetration) / 100). This way if you have Penetration > Resistance you get increased damage in formula and no negative sign problem.
Sheesh... Math for more bonk ._.
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Oh my who calculates for a game. It’s a game and I guess people just want to take the fun out of it. Which is why I don’t like games like this. Would be better if it weren’t infested with TH-camrs desperate for attention and if the devs kept the numbers hidden imo. Otherwise people who have nothing better to do just analyze the meta and ruin the game.
Hey Jeremy, sorry if you feel like this has ruined gaming for you. One of the best parts about playing any kind of gear based pvp(ve) game is creating cool builds to try out, even if they don't work! I know from first hand experience that it's really hard to piece together something that fits your own unique playstyle without know what the enchantments actually do - so my goal is just to provide more information and spark some interesting discussion from the community. I don't think I have set the meta at all from this video haha, so I wouldn't worry about that haha. Hope you give Dark and Darker another shot in Playtest 5, it is a fantastic game!
The strength part is wrong you get .5 percent per physical power and 2 hp per 1 strength