A lot of people across TH-cam seems to forget that Stealth Suits are still battlesuits, just infantry rather than vehicles. Pretty decent firepower and durability for the price point, and with some good utility as well.
I’m honestly most excited for the Retaliation Cadre for what it opens up for Stealth suits. I’ve already been running 3 minimum strength teams for guiding/skirmishing, and dependent on points, I may run full squads. Their burst cannons will do a lot more work with +1 Str and AP. They go from being speed bumps to landmines that we can blow with fail safe detonator if need be. I love my egg bois and I don’t think I’ll be playing a single game without them moving forward
Iv played my tau pretty aggressive since 8th. And the amount of times my opponent gets caught out because they see tau and think im just gonna sit back is crazy.
I have 2 friends that play orks and if they play a legit list I feel like there's nearly no chance of winning. Most other armies i can at least have a good game against but orks feels so onesided that i just want to surrender the match as soon as i see that my opponant is playing it. I really hope RC at least makes the games vs armies like orks, world eaters, and spacewolves feel more interactive.
I'm looking to try a 5x3 crisis split between fusion and flamers, add in 2 cold stars, 1 enforcer and farsight. Is only 1195 with 2 enhancements. 800 points for a couple of riptides 3 units of stealth. Maybe dark strider for the 12" no go zone. I played with 3x3 the other day and you definitely have to danger close into the enemy face, cripple whatever is in front of them. Yes you'll lose a lot of being it down, but I don't believe in avoiding bring it down, you avoid our best units doing that, accept they will max it and push the opponent, they won't expect it.
Awesome video Jay 👋 Man such an attractive detachment, especially the 3inch drop 😋 If you get a chance could you make a video on Kouyon, as I love “Wall of mirrors “ and the redeploy. As I used to play Sa’Cea back in 9th and was so excited to see its return. Plus 1/2 my army is stealth & infiltrator, so having a better idea on how to duck and weave for the win would be great :) Thanks again for another amazing video 🙌
After the points and rule changes Thursday retaliation cadre really does look like a tasty option! Maybe (already) time to revisit this! (If you haven’t already 😅 just found your channel)
I really want to run 3 fire knife suit units two with enforcer suits and one with farsight aswell as a unit of starscythe suits with a cold star commander.
id run farsight with the starscythes for the free overwatch. overwatch is very good with flamer starscythes. the coldstar commander is really only good with sunforges IMO.
It was in the codex leaks review stream. Tldw is: move over someone - 6d6 mortals on 4+, use grenade Strat, then pay 1cp for torchstar gambit and move over them again (Strat says normal move)
Do you do a bay to do a single coaching session and if so how much would it cost? I’m just getting into warhammer cause a friend gave me some units after he passed.
I'm so sorry for your loss, that's heartbreaking. I do individual sessions for sure, head here: pantheonstudios.com.au/products/40k-competitive-coaching Also of note, my patrons get $5 USD off any sessions they book with me, so if you know you want multiple sessions patreon will save you quite a bit. That link is here: patreon.com/PantheonStudiosAustralia?Link
Retaliation is excellent, and it pays to have at least 4 crisis units IMO. I've been running 3x3 crisis 2x Riptide 2x Ghostkeel and that's great but I think I would rather have another Crisis unit (starscythe or sunforge) over a second riptide. Pad it out with 3x3 stealth suits, 3x10 Kroot, 1x tetras as well as obligatory commanders and darkstrider. Firescythe overwatch is very powerful, the burst commander with internal grenades or prototype weapons feels like a 9th Ed character and upy downy or prototype weapons missile commander with fireknife unit all amazing. People underrating 3" DS as well, it's not just being able to do it it's being able to threaten it and what that makes your opponents do. Also, double flamer on Ghostkeels are amazing, first time I would even consider using them
....hmm coaching......think my birthday present this year will be some months worth of that....@5:18 sir this is a Wendy's....last but not least to explain my level of excitement I just finished building and priming 2k raven guard and they will go on the shelf for a while come Saturday.
As someone dooming hard on the codex, this is pretty neat! That being said I still think we have massive issues into Space Marine lists with 2x Redeemers that each kill 300 points of Tau in a turn + overwatch or world eaters with the lord of skulls tech so screens don’t exist.
I would encourage you to watch my melee defence stream, I think you'll find we have answers to that. Don't doom too hard, we have all the tools we need to win
Fire and fade move does not activate the grenades since it is a normal movement but outside its usual phase. Check the out-of-phase rule that gw put in the clarification document.
the stormsurges biggest problem is the split fire penalty while being guided. it has too many different weapon profiles that you almost always need to split fire with it which means you cant give it guided but then without guided its guns just arnt reliable enough. It really needs something like a multi-tracker special rule that lets it ignore the guided penalty for split firing.
A lot of people across TH-cam seems to forget that Stealth Suits are still battlesuits, just infantry rather than vehicles.
Pretty decent firepower and durability for the price point, and with some good utility as well.
I’m honestly most excited for the Retaliation Cadre for what it opens up for Stealth suits. I’ve already been running 3 minimum strength teams for guiding/skirmishing, and dependent on points, I may run full squads. Their burst cannons will do a lot more work with +1 Str and AP. They go from being speed bumps to landmines that we can blow with fail safe detonator if need be. I love my egg bois and I don’t think I’ll be playing a single game without them moving forward
Iv played my tau pretty aggressive since 8th. And the amount of times my opponent gets caught out because they see tau and think im just gonna sit back is crazy.
Offense is the best defense!
Good luck going full time! I love the positive attitude you bring to the community and greet content!
Let's go! Good luck with the full time initiative Jay!
The fire knife (missile pod) profile doesn't get effected by modifiers so they're not -1 to hit in combat 🤓
Yeah I realised this after editing lol point stands for sunforges but yeah completely spaced while recording haha
Great video as always! Excited to run flamer units as early pressure.
I have 2 friends that play orks and if they play a legit list I feel like there's nearly no chance of winning. Most other armies i can at least have a good game against but orks feels so onesided that i just want to surrender the match as soon as i see that my opponant is playing it. I really hope RC at least makes the games vs armies like orks, world eaters, and spacewolves feel more interactive.
I'm looking to try a 5x3 crisis split between fusion and flamers, add in 2 cold stars, 1 enforcer and farsight. Is only 1195 with 2 enhancements.
800 points for a couple of riptides 3 units of stealth. Maybe dark strider for the 12" no go zone.
I played with 3x3 the other day and you definitely have to danger close into the enemy face, cripple whatever is in front of them.
Yes you'll lose a lot of being it down, but I don't believe in avoiding bring it down, you avoid our best units doing that, accept they will max it and push the opponent, they won't expect it.
Praise the engagement, for the greater good!
Awesome video Jay 👋
Man such an attractive detachment, especially the 3inch drop 😋
If you get a chance could you make a video on Kouyon, as I love “Wall of mirrors “ and the redeploy. As I used to play Sa’Cea back in 9th and was so excited to see its return.
Plus 1/2 my army is stealth & infiltrator, so having a better idea on how to duck and weave for the win would be great :)
Thanks again for another amazing video 🙌
After the points and rule changes Thursday retaliation cadre really does look like a tasty option! Maybe (already) time to revisit this! (If you haven’t already 😅 just found your channel)
Love the content as always dude, keep up the good work
Great video!😀
fireknife (missile pods/plasma rifles) can ignore modifiers to-hit rolls so they can shoot while engaged in melee with no downside.
Yeah I realised this after editing lol point stands for sunforges but yeah completely spaced while recording haha
I really want to run 3 fire knife suit units two with enforcer suits and one with farsight aswell as a unit of starscythe suits with a cold star commander.
id run farsight with the starscythes for the free overwatch. overwatch is very good with flamer starscythes. the coldstar commander is really only good with sunforges IMO.
Can you link the stream for the internal grenade racks 18d6 strat?
It was in the codex leaks review stream. Tldw is: move over someone - 6d6 mortals on 4+, use grenade Strat, then pay 1cp for torchstar gambit and move over them again (Strat says normal move)
Do you do a bay to do a single coaching session and if so how much would it cost? I’m just getting into warhammer cause a friend gave me some units after he passed.
I'm so sorry for your loss, that's heartbreaking. I do individual sessions for sure, head here: pantheonstudios.com.au/products/40k-competitive-coaching
Also of note, my patrons get $5 USD off any sessions they book with me, so if you know you want multiple sessions patreon will save you quite a bit. That link is here: patreon.com/PantheonStudiosAustralia?Link
@@pantheonstudiosaustralia okay sweet and thank you I just put my order in
Retaliation is excellent, and it pays to have at least 4 crisis units IMO. I've been running 3x3 crisis 2x Riptide 2x Ghostkeel and that's great but I think I would rather have another Crisis unit (starscythe or sunforge) over a second riptide. Pad it out with 3x3 stealth suits, 3x10 Kroot, 1x tetras as well as obligatory commanders and darkstrider. Firescythe overwatch is very powerful, the burst commander with internal grenades or prototype weapons feels like a 9th Ed character and upy downy or prototype weapons missile commander with fireknife unit all amazing. People underrating 3" DS as well, it's not just being able to do it it's being able to threaten it and what that makes your opponents do. Also, double flamer on Ghostkeels are amazing, first time I would even consider using them
Wildest pronunciation of cadre I’ve ever heard 😂
....hmm coaching......think my birthday present this year will be some months worth of that....@5:18 sir this is a Wendy's....last but not least to explain my level of excitement I just finished building and priming 2k raven guard and they will go on the shelf for a while come Saturday.
As someone dooming hard on the codex, this is pretty neat!
That being said I still think we have massive issues into Space Marine lists with 2x Redeemers that each kill 300 points of Tau in a turn + overwatch or world eaters with the lord of skulls tech so screens don’t exist.
I would encourage you to watch my melee defence stream, I think you'll find we have answers to that. Don't doom too hard, we have all the tools we need to win
10:24 18 d6? I thought this was only on one model in the unit.
Yeah, I was confused by this too... 6d6 over three turns?
Ok so in the leaks stream I break this all down. Move 6d6, grenade Strat 6d6, fire and fade and move over them again 6d6
One of the worst things about motka and Kayun is how they are so limited. Like how many other armies put round limitations on their perks
Pop your patreon link in the disc. Your a brilliant dude and deserve to do well
It is in the description, second from the bottom. Maybe I should move it up
Heyooo awesome
Retaliation Cadre feels more like 9th Mont'Ka than 10th Mont'Ka
why you said 18 dice for the internal grenade racks?
3 instances of grenade ( 1 move, 1 grenade, 1 fire and fade move )
Cadian nailed it, watch the leaks stream
Fire and fade move does not activate the grenades since it is a normal movement but outside its usual phase. Check the out-of-phase rule that gw put in the clarification document.
Retaliation Cadre or Montka?
Yes
Stormsurge its not battlesuit
My biggest sadness from the book
the stormsurges biggest problem is the split fire penalty while being guided. it has too many different weapon profiles that you almost always need to split fire with it which means you cant give it guided but then without guided its guns just arnt reliable enough. It really needs something like a multi-tracker special rule that lets it ignore the guided penalty for split firing.