Any newer fans who weren't following cycling in Pantani's time should watch this to get some appreciation of his feats and the culture of cycling back then. I feel privileged to have followed his rise when the sport was dominated by Big Mig and Jan Ullrich. I am not from Italy but Australia. I found this very sad. Marco will always be the greatest climber in history.
Thanks for posting this. I don't really call this cheating as everyone was on something. Jut feel sorry for Marco and his family. They lost a humble and yet proud man.
Read the book - Doc is a faithful representation of that. Been a fan of cycling and Le Tour etc since the days of Hinault / Zooetemelk ( it definitely wasn't fashionable in the Uk then ). Seen Pantane win on D'Huez - amazing day. (seen quite a few other stages too - all fantastic ) The finest climber I have ever seen. Having read a lot about cycling history I have 5 post war climbing greats, in no particular order - Coppi / Gaul / Bahamontes / Ocana and Pantani. What a race that would have been if they were all competing. Three of those, including Pantani, had a lot of personal problems - might be the fate, partially at least, of the lone eagle. RIP Marco - most exciting climber I have ever seen.
We had no English contenders for years. I started watching cycling in the mid 1980's. Greg LeMond was my favourite cyclist, still is actually. Then I stopped watching for a while when he retired, because Indurain was boring. Pantani made me watch the sport again.
Cycling has always been a very emotive sport. Races, stir the passion, and enthusiasm, in equal measure. It's tough to compare generations, past and present, but that's always the beauty of cycling. Thank you for the comment.
Amazing documentary. But it seems as Pantani said when he was going to quit cycling, he obviously knew something was wrong with the top teams...but also he must have been told by the top team he rode for that this was his future if he wanted to be famous...
@@joshiek7839A professional cyclist who finished fourth in the Giro said that Pantani (as a juniores) defeated him on the Carpegna mountain during their training. This is just to mention something about Pantani.
I think they both had an intense desire to win. Pantani, was more of an emotional rider (Italian characteristic) and those self same emotions, amongst the circumstances, surrounded & broke him. Armstrong, was mentally ruthless, and played that to his advantage. Ego, accelerated his own downfall, with the eventual outcome.
cause he knew what italian sport was, all the links to Conconi from all the disciplines, what pro cycling was, how other sports were more protected, while UCI and other corps all knew that italian federation and medicals were the one who perfected the culture of performance enhancing from mid and late 80s, first with self blood transfusions and then with rhEPO. Marco was kind of sacrificed when he was at his apex and everybody played with rhEPO and hematocrit levels, as a return to give to the whole system a (fake) face clean up. He wasn't easily controllable, during the '99 Giro he assumed the role of spokesman against CONI controls, he refused the transfer to Mapei the year before and he was aware of a lot of stuff.
@@mojo2679 I have no idea, honestly I tend to avoid that hypotesis, but surely those things were related to the "special" treatment he had from criminal courts and media, while nobody else who had data with hematocrit swings have ever seen open inquiries against. Marco had severe depression after 5th June 1999 and he entered any kind of negative spiral, like he felt trapped between public shame and awareness of being a scapegoat for a broken context where everybody did the same and sadly that context was his only way to get a real personal validation, therefore with his personality being so idealistic and out of ordinary, he basically gave himself self destruction, cause he didn't accepted that his kid dreams (remember he started to ride for his beloved grandpa) had been used throughout all his career. His end somehow was and high likely would have been an indirect suicide anyway, but obviously there are lots of grey areas about that room, that crime scene, eventual role of drug dealers, eventual links of these and mafia if you want to believe that Madonna di Campiglio test was not only a reset of the cycling system, but also a plate where somebody else (illegal bets) have eaten. The problem with all this story is that everything seem intertwined and one thing doesn't exclude the other. And honestly I can't see a real push to rebuild the story with a real truth from the start, cause all the italian media, so called experts and federations should admit that they somehow were in a connivance of some grade with what was kind of State doping. Take note that former Prime Minister Romano Prodi was from early days and still is close to Conconi (who was selected by UCI to study an approach to find EPO through controls, but ended in building methods to use and spread it to the whole peloton as sub of no longer admitted self blood transfusions he did with Ferrari to help Moser realize the hour world record). Prodi even proposed the famous doctor as vice Minister of Public Health during the 90s and the so called...epo-ca. It's impossible he wasn't aware of what was going on. Same Prodi was at Cesenatico during 1998 fest after Marco double, using him as vehicle for his politics propaganda. Do you know how many times he spent some word about Marco after the Madonna di Campiglio test? Zero, of course. The inquiry against the Lab in Ferrara, Conconi, all his staff and how much italian federation CONI was conniving, expired due to time prescription right after Marco's death. All previous years, that inquiry was sleepy, while Marco faced lots of procedures throughout '99, '00, '01, '02 and '03, for eventual facts not even ruled by law. I mean, this plane is really disgusting and is the real reason Marco fell off on emotional plane.
@@leonardofabbri7930 Yep. and for that, you get scapegoated and or the term now-a-days is 'canceled'. It's how society operates even today. Take Lebron James... totally different situation right? NBA... So, when he loses, his head coaches get terminated. I've realized this just kinda....it just is what it is and the world won't change for a single person. This is capitalism. Where everyone will do just about anything to make a dollar more than your competition. Even if that means crushing them physically through backdoor channels or socially/social media. I started and own a small business a few years ago and have had the EPA called on me 6 different times by a large competitor just because I got a contract that they wanted bad. They even placed signs outside the establishment I work for weekly to make people think that it was them doing it and not me. ( I obviously had those removed btw) To put this into perspective: I cant even afford to advertise by signs because my advertising budget is so slim I can only do online and only with a few search engines. Im a single man LLC. They're probably a 25-30 person company. Anyways...they gross oh idk... I'd say 20x-40x a year AT LEAST compared to what that single contract pays me. To me, the contract is what launched my business and accounts for 75% of my gross/yr (atm), and it was the first major one I got too. They obviously wanted it because it pays well for 1 day a week but did they need it to the extents they went? NO. I didn't let them strong arm me though, but if they tried hard to shut me down, could they? Probably. Why? BUDGET.
Investigations into Marco Pantani case and alleged Mafia involvement both for Madonna di Campiglio and his death have been reopened. News emerged last days. The overall feeling is something has changed in the will to explore the case to a real full extent. The Italian Doctors Association entitled to do anti-doping tests and recognized by WADA released a note where they said they had no role with that test and everything was performed by UCI staff. That sounds like an exemption from responsibility for something you don't want to be involved in. We'll see what will emerge.
Do I Dare Say It. Two Of them both at the spike. Shame To Me As I thought that Armstrong wad A bit suss. He knew like Virenque and his mates too were all at it. Pantani overtook Lance like as if if he wasn't there. .
It's all a show for money, he was told not to win that stage and they made sure he wasn't going to win more stages, like he said it's a mafia. They did the same to Armstrong, the mafia didn't want him to be the only one to win the tour de france 10 times.
had he signed for Mapei in 1998 summer, I'm sure nothing of what we saw at the end of '99 Giro would have happened. Lance was a different thing. An ex-post scapegoat for a broken context certainly, but everything started from Landis affair. Marco instead was an en route scapegoat, while the broken context kept going same way as ever indeed it did even a further jump.
A human can’t ride a bike full speed for up to 6 hours then have a sprint finish without being on drugs, they just stitched him up for their own gains….
Any newer fans who weren't following cycling in Pantani's time should watch this to get some appreciation of his feats and the culture of cycling back then. I feel privileged to have followed his rise when the sport was dominated by Big Mig and Jan Ullrich. I am not from Italy but Australia. I found this very sad. Marco will always be the greatest climber in history.
Thanks for posting this. I don't really call this cheating as everyone was on something. Jut feel sorry for Marco and his family. They lost a humble and yet proud man.
+1
Thanks for posting this rest in peace Marco
I cry every time I watch this.
Grazie, Marco.
What a great documentary about one of the best riders of all time….what an amazing rider he was his attack was biblical. Rip pantani 🙌🏻💙
Read the book - Doc is a faithful representation of that. Been a fan of cycling and Le Tour etc since the days of Hinault / Zooetemelk ( it definitely wasn't fashionable in the Uk then ). Seen Pantane win on D'Huez - amazing day. (seen quite a few other stages too - all fantastic ) The finest climber I have ever seen. Having read a lot about cycling history I have 5 post war climbing greats, in no particular order - Coppi / Gaul / Bahamontes / Ocana and Pantani. What a race that would have been if they were all competing. Three of those, including Pantani, had a lot of personal problems - might be the fate, partially at least, of the lone eagle. RIP Marco - most exciting climber I have ever seen.
We had no English contenders for years. I started watching cycling in the mid 1980's. Greg LeMond was my favourite cyclist, still is actually. Then I stopped watching for a while when he retired, because Indurain was boring. Pantani made me watch the sport again.
Cycling has always been a very emotive sport.
Races, stir the passion, and enthusiasm, in equal measure.
It's tough to compare generations, past and present, but that's always the beauty of cycling.
Thank you for the comment.
Amazing documentary. But it seems as Pantani said when he was going to quit cycling, he obviously knew something was wrong with the top teams...but also he must have been told by the top team he rode for that this was his future if he wanted to be famous...
R,I,P Champion! Il pirata ❤
It's so sad Marco was born in this era. Any other era he'd be a multiple Giro and Tour winner
I've always felt that as a rider, he was a scapegoat, for others,
common problems.
how do you know? he was doped to the eyeballs.
@@joshiek7839A professional cyclist who finished fourth in the Giro said that Pantani (as a juniores) defeated him on the Carpegna mountain during their training. This is just to mention something about Pantani.
@@gaetanoperone4332 pantini was on epo. He didn’t get the name Mr 60% because of his natural talent.
@@joshiek7839 You are just a hater and a slanderer. 60%? Ridiculous. Where the hell did it come from?
Raw talent. RIP.
Yes, an exciting charismatic rider. A very sad loss.
Pantani had feelings thats killed him.. Lance NOTHING
I think they both had an intense desire to win.
Pantani, was more of an emotional rider (Italian characteristic)
and those self same emotions, amongst the circumstances, surrounded & broke him.
Armstrong, was mentally ruthless, and played that to his advantage.
Ego, accelerated his own downfall, with the eventual outcome.
🔥✊🏾I Ride A Bianchi Bike Because Of You Marco Pantani…Gianni Bugno…And Fausto Coppi!!…Nuff Said!!👊🏾💯
Miguel Induráin was in the perfect era. Never spoke ill of Armstrong. He was lucky
He didn't actually say much at all.
lucky or calculating ?
It's very poor journalism haemotocrit testing was in 1997 not 1999
Nope. He was kicked out of the 99 giro because his hemacrit was 52.
Didn't the test show 47.6? 1:03:30
The haematocrit test was introduced at the start of the 1997 season ‼️
All athletes never ignore the sign of cardiac arrest.
Marco was made an example of wrt to the '99 test. WHY is open to debate.
cause he knew what italian sport was, all the links to Conconi from all the disciplines, what pro cycling was, how other sports were more protected, while UCI and other corps all knew that italian federation and medicals were the one who perfected the culture of performance enhancing from mid and late 80s, first with self blood transfusions and then with rhEPO.
Marco was kind of sacrificed when he was at his apex and everybody played with rhEPO and hematocrit levels, as a return to give to the whole system a (fake) face clean up.
He wasn't easily controllable, during the '99 Giro he assumed the role of spokesman against CONI controls, he refused the transfer to Mapei the year before and he was aware of a lot of stuff.
@@leonardofabbri7930 💯but was his sus death also linked to all the aforementioned good points you make?
@@mojo2679 I have no idea, honestly I tend to avoid that hypotesis, but surely those things were related to the "special" treatment he had from criminal courts and media, while nobody else who had data with hematocrit swings have ever seen open inquiries against.
Marco had severe depression after 5th June 1999 and he entered any kind of negative spiral, like he felt trapped between public shame and awareness of being a scapegoat for a broken context where everybody did the same and sadly that context was his only way to get a real personal validation, therefore with his personality being so idealistic and out of ordinary, he basically gave himself self destruction, cause he didn't accepted that his kid dreams (remember he started to ride for his beloved grandpa) had been used throughout all his career.
His end somehow was and high likely would have been an indirect suicide anyway, but obviously there are lots of grey areas about that room, that crime scene, eventual role of drug dealers, eventual links of these and mafia if you want to believe that Madonna di Campiglio test was not only a reset of the cycling system, but also a plate where somebody else (illegal bets) have eaten.
The problem with all this story is that everything seem intertwined and one thing doesn't exclude the other.
And honestly I can't see a real push to rebuild the story with a real truth from the start, cause all the italian media, so called experts and federations should admit that they somehow were in a connivance of some grade with what was kind of State doping.
Take note that former Prime Minister Romano Prodi was from early days and still is close to Conconi (who was selected by UCI to study an approach to find EPO through controls, but ended in building methods to use and spread it to the whole peloton as sub of no longer admitted self blood transfusions he did with Ferrari to help Moser realize the hour world record). Prodi even proposed the famous doctor as vice Minister of Public Health during the 90s and the so called...epo-ca. It's impossible he wasn't aware of what was going on.
Same Prodi was at Cesenatico during 1998 fest after Marco double, using him as vehicle for his politics propaganda.
Do you know how many times he spent some word about Marco after the Madonna di Campiglio test? Zero, of course.
The inquiry against the Lab in Ferrara, Conconi, all his staff and how much italian federation CONI was conniving, expired due to time prescription right after Marco's death.
All previous years, that inquiry was sleepy, while Marco faced lots of procedures throughout '99, '00, '01, '02 and '03, for eventual facts not even ruled by law.
I mean, this plane is really disgusting and is the real reason Marco fell off on emotional plane.
@@leonardofabbri7930 Yep. and for that, you get scapegoated and or the term now-a-days is 'canceled'. It's how society operates even today. Take Lebron James... totally different situation right? NBA... So, when he loses, his head coaches get terminated. I've realized this just kinda....it just is what it is and the world won't change for a single person. This is capitalism. Where everyone will do just about anything to make a dollar more than your competition. Even if that means crushing them physically through backdoor channels or socially/social media.
I started and own a small business a few years ago and have had the EPA called on me 6 different times by a large competitor just because I got a contract that they wanted bad. They even placed signs outside the establishment I work for weekly to make people think that it was them doing it and not me. ( I obviously had those removed btw) To put this into perspective: I cant even afford to advertise by signs because my advertising budget is so slim I can only do online and only with a few search engines. Im a single man LLC. They're probably a 25-30 person company. Anyways...they gross oh idk... I'd say 20x-40x a year AT LEAST compared to what that single contract pays me. To me, the contract is what launched my business and accounts for 75% of my gross/yr (atm), and it was the first major one I got too. They obviously wanted it because it pays well for 1 day a week but did they need it to the extents they went? NO. I didn't let them strong arm me though, but if they tried hard to shut me down, could they? Probably. Why? BUDGET.
Investigations into Marco Pantani case and alleged Mafia involvement both for Madonna di Campiglio and his death have been reopened. News emerged last days.
The overall feeling is something has changed in the will to explore the case to a real full extent.
The Italian Doctors Association entitled to do anti-doping tests and recognized by WADA released a note where they said they had no role with that test and everything was performed by UCI staff.
That sounds like an exemption from responsibility for something you don't want to be involved in.
We'll see what will emerge.
GOAT
Do I Dare Say It. Two Of them both at the spike. Shame To Me As I thought that Armstrong wad A bit suss. He knew like Virenque and his mates too were all at it. Pantani overtook Lance like as if if he wasn't there. .
It's all a show for money, he was told not to win that stage and they made sure he wasn't going to win more stages, like he said it's a mafia.
They did the same to Armstrong, the mafia didn't want him to be the only one to win the tour de france 10 times.
had he signed for Mapei in 1998 summer, I'm sure nothing of what we saw at the end of '99 Giro would have happened.
Lance was a different thing. An ex-post scapegoat for a broken context certainly, but everything started from Landis affair. Marco instead was an en route scapegoat, while the broken context kept going same way as ever indeed it did even a further jump.
If I had to ride thousands of kilometres , I'd want heroin or something .
A human can’t ride a bike full speed for up to 6 hours then have a sprint finish without being on drugs, they just stitched him up for their own gains….
Also.. a large part of that 6 hours uphill at up to 10% to 15% gradients
its an hour and thirty minutes of "who hurt Pantini" but no introspection of what pantini did to himself
Haematocrit testing came in 1997 not 1999 poor journalism
It was still used in 1999.