Thai Protestors Take on the Monarchy: Can Thailand Overthrow Their King? - TLDR News
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For years there has been tension between the people of Thailand, their government and their extravagant King. However, in recent days this has reached a boiling point with major anti-monarchy protests across the city. So in this video, we explain Thailand's monarchy, why some want to get rid of it and what's happening on the streets.
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How many constitutions and military coups do you want?
Thailand: Yes.
We don't really "want" it tho...
It's more like
media: coup?
military: no coup
media: no military coup
military: military coup
he is wrong is build coup's really
Thai people to protest the Prime Minister's resignation...
How many constitutions and military coups do you want?
The king: *Yes*
Thai politics is like a rollercoaster ride that never ends.
I know. It never changes anyway.
That’s world politics at this point
Asian politics are wild huhuhu
The SAME as in most other countries.
There's a reason this stays that way too. 👍 🙏
Research is essential.
Research is everything.
Research is always best 🙏
Don't apologize for giving context. The greatest problem with modern news reporting is the lack of context. Context is super important. These days channels like TLDR are among the very few that still seem to try to provide some. Also if that makes a video a little longer, go for it. I'm looking for news not a dancing cat video.
I'm looking for a dancing cat video.
What's wrong with dancing cat video? They are fun.
@@teksal13 Then you are in the wrong place my friend.
@@imanishraf6215 They are, but not when I am looking for news.
This video provides a lot of missing pieces in order to comprehend the present situation in Thailand. Two thumbs up.
So well done. Impressive. I live in Thailand and have been a witness to all of these complex situations. The presentation is accurate and comprehensive, it doesn't leave out nuanced and complex background stories. It explains chaotic political history of the past 20 years in 13 minutes and doesn't leave out a single important factor, except the relationship Thai people had with the previous king. I think the deep feeling many Thai people had for the previous king, who reigned for over 70 years, does complicate the matter a great deal. It's a kind of romanticized attachment for a fatherly figure most Thais had seen for a long long time. So it's a bit of a torn between old attachment and a new reality. Older generation cannot imagine the land without fatherly king, younger generation cannot imagine the present insanity. So here we are.
You hit the nail on the head there. The peoples relationship with king rama9, is what majorly complicates things. Many ppl (myself included) still respects other living members of the royal families, therfore holding their tong and still putting up with king rama10's scandles.
Im betting that if Pra Thep and the queenmother pass away, monarchy will find it self in a rough patch.
Finally, TLDR makes a summary of my country. These kinds of events won't happen if the govt just listen to the people!
One thing to note: The main reason that the decree was pulled out is, suspiciously, because they try to create "Yellow shirt" (someone called them Minion) mob, using the government employees, to counter ongoing protest. There are reports that those mobs are harassing, or even attack the protestor. Even the king is implicitly supporting those Minion. He publicly thanks the Minion for that matter too.
//BTW, It's "Palang Pracha Rat party" (Government & people's power)
Careful, America and Britain "listened to their people" and now look where they are!
3 DAYS ULTIMATUM is already lapse the monarchy govt should be abide the will of thai people specially the young generation or else face the harsh solution which is toppling the govt thru people power out of their castle
@@Kj16V there's differences in circumstance, american's and british's is mostly self inflicted, it was basically a powder keg waiting for that spark. where in Asia (Hong Kong, Thailand) it's more of the feet stepping on the necks of the People.
there's no real democracy in these parts except for an illusion of one. most of the country here have been a single ruling party state since independence...
may i know what is your opinion about thai king ? do thai people still loyal to the monarchy ?
@@wakakabravo7998 Depends on who you ask. For the majority of the people, I don't think so. As the video is shown, the king has issues in which I can't point them out exactly due to Lese Majeste law here. Some might want to keep the monarch but not the king himself. (Some leftist call this "Want (king no.) 9, but not 10")
But the conservative or I should say pro-fascism, still want to be this way and call anyone who supports this protest a "monarch overthrowing" which is not true. All of 10 points of the proposal are for reforming the monarchy and the constitution.
Now *this* is a TLDR. A clear and clean list of events and footnotes. I definitely prefer this style over your normal videos. Well done!
Can we have a TLDR ASIA?
I think a TLDR World would be better, to include all videos which do not relate directly to UK, US or EU.
i think it's a good idea, especially a lot of news in SEA are under-reported by mainstream media
I think it'd be better if they cooperate with people actually from those continents to make some similar series, or if there are existing creators, help promote them would be a better idea. We have enough westernized voices as it is, it would be nice to use it to support and expand other voices too. And to provide a more authentic perspective on things.
@Bob Taylor I think its accurate enough that gives the whole picture
@@bracco23 This channel should become TLDR World, and make a new one for UK.
Spoiler : The bloody bugger refuced to resign and the protest continue.
Nice
Belathairus
Why would the bugger resign? The protestors doesn't do anything to him. All they do is make other people's lives harder. Them standing in the rain waving phones around doesn't affect his lifestyle one bit.
@@burtonl7239 Would you like to know why we want the bastard to resign? The situation is similar to that of Bararus and Hong Kong.
@@historicalweeabooandgamead879 I don't care why you want the bastard to resign. That's your problem, you people care too much and act too little. If you are familiar with hong kong, then you should know how this ends. The protestors get tired and the government pass laws to crack down on them. The end.
The whole Southeast Asian nation: "Could you stop having coups!"
Thailand: "Nope"
I have Thai clients. They are wonderful people. Their political awareness is huge. I was in what we would call rural Thailand having a meal with a family. Their 7yr old daughter was asking my opinion as a white man what I thought of various things the government was doing. Then we went and played with her younger brother and the doggy.
Dude, do not disrespect the supreme allied chief of staff calling him "doggy", it's demeaning
@Somebody Why you bother yea that sabai sabai attitude like the world can wait lol I'm Thai myself and can't stand that. I just want to get things done. It stresses the hell out of me when I have to work with Thai people.
@Somebody Why you bother as a half Khmer i think we are more guilty of being sabay sabay 😂
@@reinventingada glad you speak out the truth. I have worked with major car companies in Th for fourteen years, hardship posting.
Thai employees are the hardest to coach, virtually NOTHING gets done.
One dude told me last year, whilst I was his superior,
@@dynodom4677 Favoritism and Nepotism play a huge role in Thai society. Thailand is the land of smile :D We make the most delicious food, eat, play, sleep, and repeat lol It's all fun you know. Sabai sabai & Mai pen rai are my two favorite phrases in Thai.
Honestly this is a fabulous video, as someone who knows absolutely nothing about the situation in Thailand, this video was so crisp, informational and to the point. This was fantastic!
I am a Thai-American who absolutely loves this channel and i am so happy to see this video. Never thought I'd get to see much coverage on Thai events. TYSM
!!? Wowie!! I'm a young Thai person!! 👀
A side note: the previous king was a much beloved figure in Thailand, enjoying huge popularity almost to the point of deification. He was often able to limit the effects of the previous coup save the last 3, but this also increased the importance of the monarchy within Thai culture. In the last few (covered in the video) he did very little, maybe due to advanced age (he died in his 90s).
The new king is...well...not as popular. He has had a lot of scandals, and some hoped one of the princesses would take over. But it did not happen. So you have a king who is not popular, riding the power his father created and the military backing him, and doesn't even bother living in the country he rules.
Old king was just better at brainwashing people. Still extremely corrupt.
Thank you for bringing this to the light.
As a person from Thailand, I am so impressed by your video. Although it is not perfect, which is not possible in a 13-minute video to give a whole picture of a long history, you have done a great job!
You got the information mostly right, except just one thing, the election rule:
Before the problematic 2017 constitution, Thai people were used to vote 2 cards for 2 seperated types of MPs namely party list MPs and local MPs (1 MPs per 1 big district or 3 - 4 small districts) and the final numbers of MPs for each type were also calculated seperately. However, when writing the 2017 constitution, Meechai Ruechuphan (the writer) was ordered to set a new system of election to most benefit the new born parties and least benefit the old parties with strong supporters in each area. Meechai then set the rules as follows:
The old system was completely replaced. Thais now have to vote just 1 card for both types of MPs. The final numbers of MPs for each type are then calculated by this method:
(1) the parliament consists of two types of members: MPs 500 from election, and Senators 250 from appointment, total of 750.
For the MPs:
(2) the proportion of seats won by the party is the total number of cards voted for the party divided by the total number of valid voted cards (all parties combined)
(3) the total number of MPs (party list + local) is the result in (2) times the total seats of MPs, 500.
(4) the number of local MPs is the actual number of MPs won in each local area.
(5) the number of party list MPs is the remaining number of MP seats for the party.
(6) if the number of local MPs exceeds the total number of MPs for the party, the total number of MPs escalates to the number of local MPs. No party list MPs won the seat.
(7) If after (1) - (6), the total number of MPs exceeds 500, the numbers of party list MPs of every party are reduced down proportionally to the point where the total number of MPs become 500.
Can you see that the system got a lot more complicated? Also can you notice that by this rule, for the old parties with stong supporters in each local area, they have very few or no party list MPs at all! This is to destroy the power of leader teams of "For Thai" party which is anti-military. Also the local MPs won are more easily convinced by money from the opposed parties. But it also resulted in a decrease in the numbers of MPs of the democrat party (old pro-millitary)
In contrast, for the new parties, they would have a lot of party list MPs. Which is more powerful in the parliament. But it also benefits the Future Forward party (new anti-military). But with the senators appointed by the government themselves, it was enough for them to win.
Fun fact: before the PM selection by the parliament, PM Prayut said that each senator has their own thought. So please don't criticize them. The result was 249 senators out of 250 chose Prayut, the only one who did not was the senate president.
So complicated
@@MultiDivebomber yeah but basically it is "no. of seats by popular vote, local MPs first then party list MPs.
Cheated election
Fake democracy
as malaysian, our teacher always ask us student to be like thai people who are loyal and obedient toward the king, but after learn the politic in thailand i wonder if they really are obedient or simply afraid.
@rom tn decide what ?
Honestly It’s known! Nothing to be afraid unless your lives goal to just Publicly Bash the Monarchy just like the Current Protestors Leaders! 100s of Thousands of Topic but the choose the one that they can not talk about lol!
Great review of this complicated situation, kudos
This is one of my favourite videos you've made. I'd love to see you cover more topics like this in the future. Maybe even create a TLDR Asia channel?
Thank you for making this video to explain what is happening in my country. The information is very accurate to me :)
Really like this voice over style and accurate pronunciations. Also you seem a lot more humble and honest which is amazing
Thank you for putting this information together into an helpful bigger picture package!
A poodle being an Air Chief Marshal is probably the most terrifying thing in the video.
All hail FuFu...the finest Air Chief Marshal Thailand ever had!!
@@ameyas7726 It reminded me of the roman kaiser Caligula who made his horse a senator.
@@ameyas7726 lol
Caligula : Oh? I named a horse as Consul. Are you saying Iam crazy to?
I heard he was a bit lavish and not nearly as popular as his father. Kind of reminded me of the current Spanish King, but this guy sounds like a real fruit loop. It's like he's trying to get himself overthrown. Monarchies are not exactly on the up and up these days. Even Absolute Monarchies like Saudi Arabia understand the importance of image to the people.
Great video and explanation. Thank you very much!
I knew some of that (the king being unpopular and living in Germany, the military being in control etc) but it makes much more sense now. Thanks!
I just know your channel because of my interesting about my Country demonstrations but it turns out your channel is super good, have a good graphics to explain all about what happening in Thailand . Thanks you for making this video I will subscribe your channel for sure!!
Update :
- Media Ban decree was struck down by court (which is weird as jadiciary was view as a conservative instution and usually sided with the estabishment)
- Goverment had yet to enforce Telegram ban as the Emergency decree was now repled, the power to enfocre this decree was lost.
- Regarding monachy reform, this maybe not possible yet.
As Draft Bills regarding esthabishment of Consituent assembly to darft a new constitution that was present by both opposition and goverment parties now waiting for aproval in the frist reading forbade any altering regarding the institution of monachy whatsoever.
Even "Peu Thai Party (PT)", the main opposition party, which always want this goverment to be removed, always silent in the issue of monarchy. Only "Move Forward party (MFP)" which hold only 50/500 of seat in the Lower House support this demands of the protester. Seat in the parliament of MFP is expected to futher decrease in the next election, as it is nearly a concensus between the goverment and the opposition that current MMP system should be abolish and replace with Pallarel voting system which favor a large party. MFP which got a lot compensary seat under MMP will suffers.
As the Draft bill is expected to pass the parliament in december a referendum should be took place in early 2021. I dont know how will protester react to the prospect that the constueint assembly cannot touch the monachy, will they call for a boyycot? Or vote no? or they will accept a New Constitution (not a current junta draft constitution) for a Political Refrom frist, then push for reformation of the monachy in the future? (In more democratic political atmosphere)
Very good video. Digestible and covering a topic I have basically never heard about before.
Zac, that was a genuinely surprisingly clear and easy to follow summary. Props to your writing for being able to take such a confusing mess of a political situation and explain everything in a succinct manner.
Really appreciated u spreading the word man.
Great vid as always! Would be nice to have a vid regarding Nigeria protests as well. And wasn’t there a protest in the Russian Far East too?
If the sister is the one in charge, people wouldn't be this pissed. The sister does a lot of work for the people. Testament to how much they dislike him, go to any Thai Shop, they keep his father's portrait and do not put his portrait.
Thay are the same gang
@@lawantisase9078 there's nothing wrong with a monarchy if they're responsible.
ewwww
@@MrBoliao98 Is it good for you to be silenced and only get to know the propaganda?
@@lawantisase9078 do you even understand the Thai monarchy? Have you even met Thai people? In a way the former Thai King borders on a demi god, simply because he was the only stable thing amidst the coups that avg one every four years. He is the only one who can tell the generals to resign after they shot protestors (before the stroke). He was the counterweight to chaos, and during the chaos, he empowered the rice farmers in the green agricultural revolution. Respect is earned and meritocratic, not automatic. He is born to the position, the reputation of his reign is revered and respected for good reason.
His son on the otherhand, the rumors of what he's doing in Bavaria were alresdy circulating around in the 90s, and the Thai people lament at the thought of him. Hence today you have this circumstance where people are angry with this King. There's a reason any Thai shop you head to, you see the old King's portrait proudly hung while the son's is absent.
Thank you very much, very insightful and informative.
Thank you. This is the most concise explanation of the current situation I’ve seen so far with the minimally required knowledge on Thai political history.
As a expat living in Thailand, thank you so much for this.
You have no idea!
Could u pls. explain more? I am very curious
It is a good reporting !
Thank you so much !
It really surprises me to see you guys covers what's been going on in my countries.
Anyway, I was present at the protest on October 16th, and would like to note that the protest was very peaceful, with most protester carry with them nothings more than mere umbrellas and the occasional sign, furthermore the protesters mainly consisted of teenagers and young adults, alot of which are still minors. This evenmore so highlights the cruelty of this goverment in it's action to forcefully dissolve the protest.
Let's hope you don't get arrested.
@@Direblade11 hopefully
@@Direblade11 almost 40 millions poeple visite Thaïland in 2019
So many poeple are interesting about Thaïland
We love Thaïland
A dog for Air Chief Marshall - reminds me of Caligula making his horse a Consul...thanks for this, especially the much needed background material.
and what was the fate of Emperor Caligula? he got assassinated by his own advisors
Unbelievably brave of the thai people to keep up the protests even in the face of direct death threats from their military dictator.
We are not ruled by the military dictator. Last year, we have general election and the party which support general Prayuth could gather more than 251 representatives to form the government. However, the opposition parties did not happy with the result which leading to many issues.
@@nuttapolsaehui3577 yeah general election with weird and twisted rules. I am not surprised Prayuth won the election.
@@apinpat2354 The rule is not weird. The objective of the election rule is to increase the significance of every point and this constitution was voted by 16.7 million citizens.Thus, it is a legitimate rule.
@@nuttapolsaehui3577 Did you forget that Prayuth' s party came in second place with 116 representatives, but Phue Thai Party came in first place with 136 representatives. How did Prayuth win? And The rules are extremely wired. Prayuth chose the senate and the senate have the power to chose the prime minister. How is that even fair?
@@PP-uz2kw But Gen.Prayut was voted by 8.4 million voters, while Prue Thai Party was voted by 7.8 millions.
For the senators issues, if government could not gather more than 251 representatives. It’s impossible to form the government, which have minority representatives. Because, to pass the bill, it has to vote only by the representatives. The senators could not intervene the result of this vote.
Thanks you so much for make video about our problem and explain to the world. 🙏 APPRECIATED for support us 🙏
Excellent summary.
Fantastic Video, learned a lot.
Great video. Not sure we need tldr Thailand but another update here would be great!
Absolutely best video of breaking down the truth in English. I have been trying to explain what has been going on!!! Now all i have to do is share!!! Thank you
Kudos!!! Much appreciated!!!
I love the context of these videos keep it up
Your video is well done, thank you
They want reform not overthrow, most of people miss understood.
Removing the pretty and need-to-translate words, I believe they want to exactly remove lese majeste law, targeting better law enforcement and equality.
However, this also allows criticism to the monarchy, which many people think that it may lead to monarchy mistrust and perhaps dissolution.
Which, indeed, people started to mistrust not only this king, but also previous ones, when scandals are allowed to be investigated into.
if "most people miss understood" it's no longer a miss understanding.
@@pacharapolwithayasakpunt7887 lol mistrust doesn’t come from removing lese majesty law. Many people need their common senses check.
@@n1303144 That is, if you take their words simplistically. In reality, they also spread facts and opinions regarding the whole generation of kings - which are subject to controversial interpretations...
Yes, they already did it even with lese majeste still in place.
Even they want to reform Army by remove conscript system.
Some* still think remove conscript equal overthrow Army.
They're stupid?
Maybe, but I think main reason is heavy propaganda that government use.
*Now just SOME, but in the past were MOST.
Congrats on *420K* subsribers
Thailand with legs makes me uncomfortable.
LMaO
Excellent work 👌
Great work, fascinating and fact filled, but slow down a touch Zac so we can keep up. Maybe try a teleprompter app to moderate the pace of narration.
Thank you for the summary. This really gives a clear picture on how messed up our political situation is. Also, it's a good reminder on why we still need to call for a change.
Great explanations thank you
Why are people moaning about the audio? Its completely fine and understandable, christ be thankful that they've bothered to make this video for us all
and I prefer this voice to the one we usually hear
For me, its very clear. Dont know what the fuss is about
There's a difference between moaning about free content, and pointing out a problem the creators might want to address in the future.
The combination of Zac's enunciation and the technical quality of the audio recording meant that I had to rewind and listen again at three or four spots in the video - and English is my first language. I know the TLDR network has loads of viewers and listeners for whom that's not the case, so I can imagine it might be even tougher for them to follow along.
This is not to say that I'm not super grateful to Zac and TLDR that I now know 100x what I did before about Thailand's political environment. I hope Zac never stops making videos like this.
That’s what i say..
Great video 👌🏿👌🏿
This channel is AMAZING
I really like Zac's voice and tone. The lack of enunciation, and even not-so-great diction at some points seem very fitting with the animation and the young and modern style of the channel. well done, guys!
Yay finally, my country in TLDR.
Yayyyy, congrats!
Such excellent concice information. Really like this new Narrator. Needs an upgrade on microphone but otherwise perfect
You need to fix the audio :) good video tough ;)
Great explanation.
Excellent. Thanks 👍
This is a great explanation.
That was a solidly packed video, well done indeed. Only thing I picked up ... Hasn’t the crop-top king moved from Germany back to Thailand now ?
Excellent thank you
Thank you
Nice vid
Would love an update on this 👍
Talk about a messy situation.
A certain welcome gravitas in this one. Keep at it, new guy.
You should make a TLDR UK channel, and use this main channel as an international one, for any topic not cover by the other channels.
There were rumors that this king was/is only a king for ladies.
European ladies.
You will notice he spends quite a deal of time over there
In the regional Parliament of Bavaria (Germany) there is even a debate, whether the Thai king should have paid heritage tax to the government, as he lives mainly there.
@@idealicfool The reason of his stay is ladies, but not European ladies. He actually quite busy with 20 of his Thai consorts in the Bavarian hotel. Another reasons that he stays there is because ut is quite private which fit his freakish lifestyle. Another reason of his stay in Germany also maybe to treat his "secret" illness. The last one about his illness is actually a confounded rumour as we really have no proof on this but there has been talks for many years now regarding this.
@@KS-wp3cs Given his... interesting lifestyle, my guess is HIV.
@@CurliFox some said it was some kind of rare blood cancer or something. Any illness that require constant blood transfusions.
Yoo, love the channels. But, all the new people who are now narrating/recording, take note of the main guy normal guy, his pace as well as tone. I like his voice. No offence, live for the content always. Thanks x
More about this please.
Not trying to flame out here, but do you reckon you could get a less echoey mic? The rest of tldr news is so professional that the mic just lets it down a bit. Doesn't actually bother me, just a bit of feedback
thanks you sir.
So, how many countries are the TDLR News crew barred from entering so far?
The king needs to give up his cash to help the people, so many live in terrible conditions, doing whatever they can to survive. Thai people are wonderful and deserve far more than they get.
PM's brother was selected (by the PM's) to serve on the senate...he later voted for this brother to be the PM...goes to show what a joke this government is
Seems like the court is always there in the key moments.
I am happy that TLDR is covering the events in this country and the history surrounding it.
Also, it is always funny hearing foreigners trying to pronounce Thai names. They are quite difficult for non-native speakers.
Really tried to get through, but the audio is bad even for cellphone standarts. Woth earphones is quite unpleasant :(
Here's an idea, make tldr for each continent.
And following an idea from a fellow commenter, make tldr world / global?
Thank so much to do it in English language. It's the real reason to be protesting. There are more for bad detail in this government but this video enough to people in the world understanding. Thank again....
I am very surprised that you understand really what going on in Thailand! Keep going.
Are you making this video in the bathroom?
Sounds like it
I wish every news media has this very clear, astutely driven, telling the facts; this is a well-thought out layout for viewers to engage the news. Its unequivocally well put. The sources were clearly referenced and every term was debunked well in neutral terms.
hey can you make a news in our country philippines please... I really like your detailed explanation, I hope you rake another course or ways which is different from our media(very biased) ty so much any way new subscriber here..
very accurate and informative, some mispronounced but that's totally understandable.
i'm sharing this everywhere!
Are you sure with that???
Thailand is an example of a country where the military is a political faction.
Will you cover what's going on in Poland right now?
(Abortion laws)
Jesus hates bebe 😳😳😳😳
Well abortion and LGBTQ+ free zones
@@cameroonemperor755 EU should do something against this blatant human rights abuse ! Shame on Poland government.
@@gg-st9bd I'm polish so it's really a shame on my country so yeah
A coup just happened in neighboring Myanmar, another country plagued by military junta. I hope TLDR News can make a video about it.
70k & 35k
Thai Junta: They're the same picture
A TLDR on Malaysia’s politic in 2020 please!
Literally no one is trying to “overthrow” the king. Trying to be like Norway or Britton isn’t the same thing as becoming a fucking Republic.
What happened to audio? It sounds like it was recorded in a bathroom.
Great video.
Also Thailand looks like it has netehrlands flag in the back due to country shape
Netherlands* whoops
Please get a better mic or find a way to get rid of background noise