I do have a concern about loops at both end of the rope. First, the loop at the bottom of the bag should be small enought to avoid a hand (victim or rescuer) to get into it. The purpose of this bottom loop is only to pass a carabiner. With tension, a hand inside this loop will not be abble to self retract and can cause a bigger problem. For the same reason, we highly recommend to avoid any knot on the free end of the rope as well. This knot at the free end have a tendency to be pinched betwen rock and get entangle. If a knot is required, it take less than 5 seconds to makes one. However, thank you very mucb NRS team with this great video series about whitewater rescue. I am a whitewater rescue instructor and a mine rescue technician in Nunavut Canada. We use and recommend NRS product; they are well build and efficient.
Great video, I love my throw bag. I practice throwing it from my kayak to the beach and from the beach to my buddies in the water. The rope should be be dried before putting it back in the bag then into storage? This prevents the rope from rotting or getting mildew during storage.
just brought one of these throw bags, i've had traning on how to use these a few years back, cheap on amazon, thought get one as i never know when i might need to use it.
It might just be me being a pedantic person, but... The scene with the person throwing the bag, and the one set up to throw it near the end, the thrower didn't have much line left in their hand - it would be quite easy to let go of that or have it pulled out of your hands surely? Having a 2 or 3m length of rope on the floor would prevent this? And secondly, wouldn't those 2 big loops provide nice trap points for hands or feet in the water? Don't take this negatively, it's just my thoughts.
Thank you for the comment. Having a little extra rope on the end is good, but too much might get in the way, or worse get tangled around a leg or arm when the line goes taunt. The loops provide really good quick attachment points, and in most rescue scenarios the chance of getting a foot or hand accidently stuck in the loops is small.
If a person was concerned about this, the loops could be untied and removed. That said, rescue agencies, fire fighters, and raft guides around the world use the same bags featured in this video. Thank you again for the great comment.
Some thoughts about the knot(simple 8 or a small loop) in the end. It is a good idea not to have it if you are a guide or a kayaker and working in shallow warm rivers where if it gets around the victim`s/client`s neck you can let go so you don`t choke him and you find the next best place/way to rescue him. If you let go of the rope is better to have it clean so it doesn`t get pinched. My rescue instructor in Alaska always said it is better to have it at the end. The idea is to never let go. Even if it gets around his neck, you hold on to the rope, get him to shore and do CPR. There is a better chance of survival this way. In the North, the rivers are cold, wide and with big volume. If you let go of the rope there is a possibility you won`t be able to find another good place to get him out, he can get hypothermia and drown. Rescue philosophy is once you have contact with the victim, you don`t lose the contact. Everything can be argued of course. All comes down to different points of view and environments.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue. There are lots of opinions when it comes to water rescue and its hard to say someone is right or wrong. Whats great about the NRS Throwbags are that they can be used with a knot or without.
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Excellent presentation. Thanks
Thanks, excellent demo. I repacked my throw bag and tested it out on a throw. Much better than the way I’d been shown for packing the line!
Glad this video helped! Its always good to practice with your throw bag.
I do have a concern about loops at both end of the rope. First, the loop at the bottom of the bag should be small enought to avoid a hand (victim or rescuer) to get into it. The purpose of this bottom loop is only to pass a carabiner. With tension, a hand inside this loop will not be abble to self retract and can cause a bigger problem. For the same reason, we highly recommend to avoid any knot on the free end of the rope as well. This knot at the free end have a tendency to be pinched betwen rock and get entangle. If a knot is required, it take less than 5 seconds to makes one. However,
thank you very mucb NRS team with this great video series about whitewater rescue. I am a whitewater rescue instructor and a mine rescue technician in Nunavut Canada. We use and recommend NRS product; they are well build and efficient.
Great video, I love my throw bag. I practice throwing it from my kayak to the beach and from the beach to my buddies in the water. The rope should be be dried before putting it back in the bag then into storage? This prevents the rope from rotting or getting mildew during storage.
Good job. Appreciate the guidance.
just brought one of these throw bags, i've had traning on how to use these a few years back, cheap on amazon, thought get one as i never know when i might need to use it.
Anytime you're on the river its a good idea to have a Throw Bag! Make sure to practice throwing it before your have to use it in a rescue situation.
It might just be me being a pedantic person, but... The scene with the person throwing the bag, and the one set up to throw it near the end, the thrower didn't have much line left in their hand - it would be quite easy to let go of that or have it pulled out of your hands surely? Having a 2 or 3m length of rope on the floor would prevent this?
And secondly, wouldn't those 2 big loops provide nice trap points for hands or feet in the water?
Don't take this negatively, it's just my thoughts.
Thank you for the comment. Having a little extra rope on the end is good, but too much might get in the way, or worse get tangled around a leg or arm when the line goes taunt. The loops provide really good quick attachment points, and in most rescue scenarios the chance of getting a foot or hand accidently stuck in the loops is small.
If a person was concerned about this, the loops could be untied and removed. That said, rescue agencies, fire fighters, and raft guides around the world use the same bags featured in this video. Thank you again for the great comment.
Thank you
You're welcome
Some thoughts about the knot(simple 8 or a small loop) in the end. It is a good idea not to have it if you are a guide or a kayaker and working in shallow warm rivers where if it gets around the victim`s/client`s neck you can let go so you don`t choke him and you find the next best place/way to rescue him. If you let go of the rope is better to have it clean so it doesn`t get pinched. My rescue instructor in Alaska always said it is better to have it at the end. The idea is to never let go. Even if it gets around his neck, you hold on to the rope, get him to shore and do CPR. There is a better chance of survival this way. In the North, the rivers are cold, wide and with big volume. If you let go of the rope there is a possibility you won`t be able to find another good place to get him out, he can get hypothermia and drown. Rescue philosophy is once you have contact with the victim, you don`t lose the contact. Everything can be argued of course. All comes down to different points of view and environments.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue. There are lots of opinions when it comes to water rescue and its hard to say someone is right or wrong. Whats great about the NRS Throwbags are that they can be used with a knot or without.
2:16 start. slow method
A clear fake bag for instructional purposes would have been better. You can't see what is happening on the inside. Just saying.
I'm just gonna risk it and keep living my life without a throwbag.