I love how messed up the gargantua 1 scene is after you watch the whole show, because you know the real Jonas is trying to communicate with rusty from inside the PROBLEM while rusty was having a hallucination of his dad
I like to think of the Starting scenes is literally just Rusty’s image of his father, which is why he’s not a complete asshole and actually cares for him. In his heart of heart rusty wants to believe Jonas actually cared and believed in him
Yeah, that's likely the case with what we know now. I can imagine that in the earlier seasons, the writing team wanted to make Jonas out as rather negligent to Rusty and unintentionally the cause for a lot of his issues, but genuinely earnest and sincere about caring for him... rather than the morally bankrupt bastard that cares only for himself we got.
He does say a couple of things that suggest that, at least as he got older, he started to care more about Rusty's interests and well-being. Like the part where Rusty mentions how he gave him a bunch of camera equipment and "how to" books because he said that he had a passing interest in filmmaking. It does genuinely seem like the worst of his neglect for Rusty was before he hit his teens. There is that story about how he had action Man pants him at a pool party on his birthday when he was a teenager. It does make sense that Jonas would probably not know how to treat Rusty as a child because he doesn't really know how to be a parent then tried to make up for that by kind of treating him a bit like "one of the guys" when he hit his teens. I get the feeling that he might have regretted some of that by the time Rusty got the college so he may have wanted to try and make up for it by then but it was definitely too late.
@@joshuawilliams8252 Ohhh, I really like this theory, even as someone that hates Jonas. Fits with how I recall hearing that Action Man also expressed regret for his treatment of Rusty as a kid at some point.
Thanks for piecing these scenes together. Really showed how much of a monster Jonas Venture Sr. really was. The man was just a manchild sociopath who was a walking poison on people's lives.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 I rewatched the show after watching it years ago and there was something about watching the episodes so quickly which made the reveal about Jonas hit that much harder. You sort of forget the details over the years
In retrospect the fact Killinger depicted his father as a villain and he knocked over his fathers statue while his brother the actual villain had the statue fall on him is classic
I have to disagree with you. Jonas Jr. was the “protagonist”/hero (whatever you wanna call him) in that situation. The whole point of that episode was Killinger trying to prove to Rusty that he is in fact a villain/arch, not a hero. Just like his father.
In a sense Jonas jr was a villain because he’s trying to sanitize the history of Jonas and team venture down to the picture of the original team venture after they take spider skull island. Cause in that picture they are taking it over the literal corpses of slain henchman. The picture just crops it out
@@Ironcorgi2 jonas jr was not a villain, unlike rusty the only image he has of jonas sr is what was public knowledge. and in the public eye jonas was seen as a hero and not the clear morally bankrupt we know him as. Save for a few others, rusty is mainly the only one who knows how truly horrible his father was behind closed doors. So he's not really trying to sanitize any history cause he has no knowledge of how dubious the history is. An unintentional propagator maybe, but definitely not a villain.
I love how the thumbnail even mirrors how most people probably thought of jonas as we watched the show. A dapper charming heroic type in the beginning to the amoral heartless bastard we knew he always was deep down
Looking at it, that seems to be what got him killed. Before Jonas found him, Vendata was only going to play a tape about the dirt Jonas had on the Blue Morpho. Vendata only released the air lock after Jonas started gas lighting him and manipulating him, which was especially stupid since it was clear that Vendata was mentally unwell
@@rosesweetcharlotte people with arrogance like him always seem to think they're in control, in his arrogance it became his own undoing. Plus he was a narcissist.
Its Jonas Venture what do you expect same with JJ. Both were extremely arrogant and both ended up dying while the real venture bros Doc & Monarch despite being clones of the Original Rusty & 2% baboon, both are still alive and doing somewhat well despite childhood trauma on both of there ends. @DMobi
This show really does deserve so much more love than it gets. The worldbuilding, story, design, and psychology behind all of these characters is fucking fantastic.
Honestly Colonel Gentleman and Action Man, were his friends. Kanoh served Jonas because, Jonas blackmailed the Blue Morpho. Plus knowing how crazy Jonas was he stayed quiet to not only pay respect to Morpho but to also stay alive.
"By that logic, you think YOU broke my spacestation." God, I never realized that connection till now. One little army man.... one little plastic cowboy.
That was the intention to venture bros,sort of what if on an older Johnny quest and now actually legit messed up and traumatised he’d be from all the crap he went through as a kid.they even had the char cameo in the series but had to just call him action Johnny due to copyright issues,but the point still stands that the series both spoofed,parodied,tribute and deconstructed the biy adventurer genre all at once. For rusty being a biy adventurer was akin to being a child actor and as such left him a neurotic jaded cynical mess of a man forever living in his dad’s shadow,with few if any ever knowing the truth. That jonas venture,for all his talent and intelligence,was a selfish amoral sociopathic narcissist
Ritalin was actually used as diet pills initially. So my headcanon is that it was probably high doses of ADD medication. Which is an amphetamine. And could make you high. In high doses.
It's the miracle of science as Rusty is a clone as red helper stated that confused Dean for his father. And while just speculation Rusty died four times 8:46 With the Fear, Self Loathing, stinking Thinking and Diddly dadling could be Rusties last thoughts but could also be the way he died, Jonas left Rusty to die to safe his own skin, Another where Jonas felt regret/or Jonas switched al blame to , another where Rusty died in a cruel expriment and the last was just neglet, but i commented enough
@@realmoftheouroboros8313 Heart of The Baboon movie that ends the series actually explains that "Rusty" was never a naturaly born person, he was made from scratch as a clone, so was Monarch, but Monarch has 10% od Baboon DNA which is precisely why he hates him and why he looks that much different
Jonas Jr is what Sr is in the eyes of the world. He was much a better person than his dad. It's sad to see him go. After knowing what Rusty had to deal with, it was a miracle he didn't turn out as the villain killinger thought he was. He did so much better than his fellow boy adventurers. Rusty actually cared.
It is very well written, but most of the time Doc and Jackson simply made it up as they went; A lot of minor background characters and details got turned into fleshed out characters and plot points later on.
@@HyperGolemimo that is just as impressive, cobbling together background gags into not only a very cohesive story in line with the themes of the current characters, but mixing them together?? Like making the plane crash mentioned in episode 1!!! The catalyst for the entire series is crazy, and the fact that the morpho arc is probs my favorite animated arc I’ve ever watched ever
@@HyperGolem Rewatching the series you do start to notice that a lot. Hell, you can see St. Cloud as early as the garage sale episode as a minor character
My favorite old theory was that Jonas was Force Majeure, that he was controlling both sides for his own benefit. But Force Majeure having Jonas' arching rights is pretty cool too.
I mean, the Doctor Venture that's seen in the vision is a manifestation of what Rusty thinks of his father. It's likely that Rusty doesn't think Jonas would believe in ghosts. Even though they've dealt with ghosts with Orpheus, Rusty himself doesn't believe them very much.
Throughout the series we saw just how much of a monster this man really was. Just the worse type of person imaginable. He was the true villain of the series
I loved the character that was Dr. Venture Sr. They said of Benjamin Franklin that everything he ventured into he was a success at. The definition of a renaissance man. And that was Jonas, but this show writes his character perfectly; in that he wasn’t exactly the great man we as the audience are meant to interpret him as. Just like actual great figures of history, they do great things for humanity but they aren’t entirely good. Some shows whether it’s fiction or nonfiction have trouble depicting a character the middle, they’re shown to be either 100% good or 100% bad. And as we grow up we realize that that’s not how the real world is.
I like to think of Jonas Venture as the sort of an embodiment of the worst parts of Space Age era of America, where the obsession with advancing technology only comes for the purpose of fueling one's pride, rather than for the betterment of humanity as it should be. There's an irony in how much of the show's themes are centered around change, but it's only when the characters are able to move on from the kind of childish, toxic idealism of forefathers past which puts up this facade of progress, that they actually begin to grow as people.
I like to think he's the antithesis to the main theme of the Venture Bros: Failure. Jonas was a success. An amazing success. And he's a rotten prick for it. Every win he has is on the suffering of others, every great invention born to fuel his ego, every fan, friend or family member used an abused. In a show about loveable screw-ups, washouts and losers, Jonas embodies the hateful "Winner."
I think the best way he’s summarized in the show is Colonel Gentleman’s (paraphrased) “You know Jonas. In three weeks, he forgot his new toy and moved onto the next one.” It’s telling that so much of the grief in the show can be traced to Jonas’s short-sighted impulsiveness and cavalier ego.
It feels like a satirization of Great Man History where we see glimpses of this revolutionary figure who so many events pivoted around and that everyone looks up to... only for us to realize that he was actually a sociopath who did some really horrific things behind the scenes. Like Dr. Venture's former professor (I forget his name, the Mister Fantastic rip-off) who is a straight up villain that just presents a charming appearance. @@randomcenturion7264
I feel like the "I slaid the minotaur!" Scene is such a wonderful example of Jonas. He's upset that Rusty isn't 'appreciating the classics' while Rusty is recreating one of them in his own way. He either didn't know enough to know about "the classics" himself or didn't care about Rusty enough to pay attention to what he was actually doing. Or more likely both.
This really does feel like a deconstruction of Great Man History where we see glimpses of this revolutionary figure who so many events pivoted around and that everyone looks up to... only for us to realize that he was actually a sociopath who probably was far more damaging to the world then we like to acknowledge... Kind of like a lot of big names during the Cold War era.
@@Mostie-ev7oh Oh definitely. Fuck the gipper. Those glasses weren't rose tinted they were painted over in red paint... And the blood of central americans massacred by roving death squads...
@@Mostie-ev7oh Another prime example that comes to mind is Winston Churchill. Yeah he lead Britain through WWII, critics eat your heart out... But he was also the embodiment of all that was wrong with the British Empire which makes sense because he was a staunch imperialist who's slow decisions caused the starvation of numerous people all over the empire in places like Africa and India, he was responsible for a convoluted plan to get Egypt and Israel to fight so Britain could take control of the Suez Canal as a "neutral third party" and succeeded in pissing off the US and the Soviets, and even after we fought the Nazis he was using concentration camps to deal with Kenyans after they revolted. A British Attorney General drew that exact comparison... And he was also a belligerent drunk, misogynist, narcissistic, and racist... WWII truly cemented Churchill's legacy by giving him someone more unpleasant than himself. But I could frankly keep listing so many examples. Alexander the Great, Cicero, Cinncinatus, Augustus Caesar and many other emperors, Napoleon Bonaparte (ok he's a little more divisive but still), many of the US founding fathers, Otto Von Bismarck, Henry Ford, George Patton, and I could still go on. My point is, just because an individual was a "Great Man" in history does not mean they were a Good Man.
Looking at it, under our understanding of rape as it is now, Jonas forcing Blue Morpho into various sex acts as part of blackmail does constitute rape. Jonas seemed to have a weird sexual fascination with the Blue Morpho
You have got to be joking.. Venture didn’t rape Blue Morpho, but he definitely did rape his wife. They gotta stop changing what constitutes rape.. I mean, blackmail? Really? That’s rape now? Kinda shits on the people actually raped, no?
My headcanon is that Jonas took the Blue Morpho rescuing him the first time they met as a personal slight, and (in true Jonas fashion) manipulated and engineered his downfall and “death” because he couldn’t stand seeing someone as his equal. Every humiliation he put on the Blue Morpho as his friend seemed especially vindictive.
The entirety of super-society (superpowered beings, super-scientists, adventurers, super-spies, vigilantes, mutants, etc) all live in the long shadow of Jonas Sr.
Is Rusty’s Hallucinations of his father on Gargantua One actually his father trying to talk to him through the station since the problem light was on and he was in some control?
During the first few seasons of VB, I used to remark that Doc Venture was a terrible human being. As the series went on and we learned about Jonas, Sr., I couldn't help but sympathize with him--because yeah, Doc's a pretty big piece of crap, but his father was the King of Crap Mountain.
Which is actually a reference to I think of photo taken in Vietnam or iraq where soldiers were pictured posing with corpses. The satire in this show was great
Brilliant writing how they slowly reveal Jonas' true colors as the series went on. In Season 1, he's presented as a flawed and negligent father to Rusty, but still ultimately a hero and great scientist. By Season 7, its' painfully obvious he was a sociopathic monster and the true villain of the series.
given what we know of Season 7 and how Jonas made most of his tech so advanced it was used by the gang decades after they were first built (X1/X2, HELPeR, the watches/comms we see the original Team Venture use, the hoverbike), he likely was broadcasting to Doc’s watch Doc hallucinated him from that
For a second I thought you meant 21 and I pulled up this (th-cam.com/video/PefCeWiuj9E/w-d-xo.html) but then I saw the face! My guess is when Rusty and Malcolm were kids (1976ish) 24 was just starting as a henchman for Phantom Limb. He might have run away from his family after the factory he worked at closed and no one else would hire him with only a GED. This probably led to his girlfriend, grief-stricken, to connect with 24's dad (they'd eventually get married).
@@PaulYoungberg Damn. I just did the math and actually this seems plausible lol. Rusty here is maybe 12. Rusty by season one is 43. 24 looks like an adult on this advert, so to be generous we'll say he's 18. 43-12+18=49. Yeah, I could believe 24 was 49 at the start of the show.
@@tenkenroo Nothing realistic about him. More like a deconstruction of the idea that a globe-trotting super-scientist and ladies man prone to child endangerment would be a good person. He would NOT be. He'd be a horrible sociopath.
The crazy part of rustys hallucinations in gargantua II is father is actually right there next to him for real inside the p.r.o.b.l.e.m., also crazy jonas says to rusty the "problem" mustve been rustys fault. Mind blown
People really want to pin all the blame for every bad thing in the series on Jonas but if Rusty's sons teaches us anything its that people are the product of their enviroments and what makes a person truly good is overcoming it.
I'm convinced Jonas sold Rusty's likeness, many of his patents, and other passive income things, deliberately, and that is why they're so broke. I also am guessing that half the things he invented he didn't patent. Action Man said he got bored with projects easily. I figure the first thing was deliberate so Rusty would be "his own man" or whatever. And also selling his image/likeness just so Rusty wouldn't get it. He may be a terrible business manager, but Jonas is definitely to blame. Just a ton of the gear lying around the compound could be useful in patents, and Rusty doesn't know enough to do that. But Jonas definitely FUBAR'd the patents.
It's not really a mystery, we know how he died but the culprit of the movie night massacre remains a mystery. However, it was most likely Red Death or Vendata.
I think it would been cool if they did a season of Rusty arching his brother And Brock had to take the boys to JJs and become the body guard on spider skull Island
jonas venture made a a fall out shelter i forgot about that episode lol thsi show is amazing and growing up in jersey i been following this since well i cant even recall anymore great stuff
I love how Jonas Venture is seen as the world’s greatest hero, but may have ultimately been its greatest villain all through the power of two simple words. “You dick!!!” That’s all there was to it. No grand schemes, no elaborate plans. Jonas Venture was just an unbelievably selfish man who ruined lives and never cared.
Honestly i liked it more when jonas was just a well meaning but bumbling and horridly neglectful science hero father, rather than the literal satan that the writers turned him into in later on seasons
I feel like he's both/in the middle. He does seem like he gives a shit about rusty while being a total douche to everyone else, even if in the end it doesn't help treat rusty much better
@@yingerfeltonboi654 yeah but dont you think it kinda undermines the original message of the series? the whole show was suppossed to be both a love letter and a deconstruction of pulp adventure genre. but the way they made jonas not even close to what a pulp hero is supposed to be like, ends up kinda ruining the deconstruction aspect of his character
@andrealee8561 I guess the adventures with Hector occurred before Jonas created the learning bed technology involving saving the users brain data. That's why clone Rusty doesn't remember him.
You know, after everything- even him saying his greatest invention is his son is tainted. He probably means the fact that Rusty is cloned. Fuck, the only reason he probably didn't do it to Blue Morpho is that he threw away Venturion before he became Vendata and never got a hold of any genetic material.
Definitely some clue to Rusty not really having a real mother and being some sort of clone of his father such as Brisbee mentioning the cloning connection and his son (Rusty, not JJ c'mon JJ) being his greatest experiment. Rusty might've even had a double dose of DNA from his dad- the only person Jonas could really love was himself and it would explain the problem with male balding from a double dose of testosterone
My problem with this theory is that Rusty looks almost nothing like Jonas minus the red hair. He probably has a biological mother, maybe he was grown in a test tube or something and was only cloned later when he died on an adventure. JJ looks almost like an exact dwarf-clone of Jonas; Maybe JJ was implanted into Rusty since Jonas hadn't invented a mechanical womb yet, in a grand scheme to make himself immortal one day. Jonas Sr might have used Rusty as a way to experiment with cloning techniques by not only cloning Rusty, but planting his own clone to grow inside of him.
It was actually Jonas who broke it :D he said that he had a "miscommunication" with the space station computer while he was suspended inside the PROBLEM.
@@HyperGolem *Dr. Jonas Venture Voice* Still, Rusty, if you did not waste your time playing with toys, avoiding Super Science, and being a complete Giggle Puss in Prof. Impossible's class, then, maybe, Daddy, and all of those watching Sharky's Machine, would be alive today!
@@DoctorX101 But Rusty clearly didn't WANT the life of super science, nor was he suited to it. His father projected his ideals on him and it didn't work.
@@Sabretooth7777 Hence in "Dr. Jonas Venture Voice." The irony is as much as "Rusty" resented that, he sort of turned around and did the same thing, His sons were possession, just as he was to his father. He pushed both to follow the path he hated. He focuses on Dean, but Hank is sort of more of the "boy adventurer." Now, I think "Rusty" has some redeeming qualities over his father. Though we need to remember that these are characters played for comedy. So "Rusty" can feel a twinge of fatherly concern for Dean, and then harness the corpses of "Ted" and "Groovy" to join the ranks of "Venturestein!"
So like, a lot of what Team Venture did and said I could kind of forgive because it’s like they’re products of their time and don’t realize the damage they do, but then there’s that moment where they just straight up book it out of those tunnels without even *trying* to save the kids. And most of them were wonked out on psycho gas but doc venture had his wits about him, he couldn’t have grabbed a tyke or two? He had to condemn *all* the kids to hellish life as filthy insane mole people?
With the childhood Rusty had it is amazing he is as well adjusted as he is
He is pretty terribly adjusted, but after losing the clone slugs he was forced to become a slightly better father
@@HyperGolem I never said he was good, just better than he could have been.
@@dynamitedingo7720 Definitely
Or at least not as messed up as the other boy adventurers by comparison.
@@matthewriley7826 same difference
I love how messed up the gargantua 1 scene is after you watch the whole show, because you know the real Jonas is trying to communicate with rusty from inside the PROBLEM while rusty was having a hallucination of his dad
Jesus H I just remembered that he was in there as a frozen sentient being .
I like to think of the Starting scenes is literally just Rusty’s image of his father, which is why he’s not a complete asshole and actually cares for him. In his heart of heart rusty wants to believe Jonas actually cared and believed in him
Nope, He was an asshole
Yeah, that's likely the case with what we know now. I can imagine that in the earlier seasons, the writing team wanted to make Jonas out as rather negligent to Rusty and unintentionally the cause for a lot of his issues, but genuinely earnest and sincere about caring for him... rather than the morally bankrupt bastard that cares only for himself we got.
He does say a couple of things that suggest that, at least as he got older, he started to care more about Rusty's interests and well-being. Like the part where Rusty mentions how he gave him a bunch of camera equipment and "how to" books because he said that he had a passing interest in filmmaking.
It does genuinely seem like the worst of his neglect for Rusty was before he hit his teens. There is that story about how he had action Man pants him at a pool party on his birthday when he was a teenager.
It does make sense that Jonas would probably not know how to treat Rusty as a child because he doesn't really know how to be a parent then tried to make up for that by kind of treating him a bit like "one of the guys" when he hit his teens. I get the feeling that he might have regretted some of that by the time Rusty got the college so he may have wanted to try and make up for it by then but it was definitely too late.
@@joshuawilliams8252 Absolutely agree!
@@joshuawilliams8252 Ohhh, I really like this theory, even as someone that hates Jonas. Fits with how I recall hearing that Action Man also expressed regret for his treatment of Rusty as a kid at some point.
Thanks for piecing these scenes together. Really showed how much of a monster Jonas Venture Sr. really was. The man was just a manchild sociopath who was a walking poison on people's lives.
And the problem really was that he was just so damn charming and nice about it. He convinced people that he wasn't the problem
You can't walk on the red ones because they're hot lava
Rusty please!@@atarian345
If you ever watched the whole show you already knew that.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 I rewatched the show after watching it years ago and there was something about watching the episodes so quickly which made the reveal about Jonas hit that much harder. You sort of forget the details over the years
In retrospect the fact Killinger depicted his father as a villain and he knocked over his fathers statue while his brother the actual villain had the statue fall on him is classic
I have to disagree with you. Jonas Jr. was the “protagonist”/hero (whatever you wanna call him) in that situation. The whole point of that episode was Killinger trying to prove to Rusty that he is in fact a villain/arch, not a hero. Just like his father.
It's like what dr mrs the monarch says in the novie
Their feud is the stuff of mythology
In a sense Jonas jr was a villain because he’s trying to sanitize the history of Jonas and team venture down to the picture of the original team venture after they take spider skull island. Cause in that picture they are taking it over the literal corpses of slain henchman. The picture just crops it out
@@cheesyboygouda he meant The Monarch
@@Ironcorgi2 jonas jr was not a villain, unlike rusty the only image he has of jonas sr is what was public knowledge. and in the public eye jonas was seen as a hero and not the clear morally bankrupt we know him as. Save for a few others, rusty is mainly the only one who knows how truly horrible his father was behind closed doors. So he's not really trying to sanitize any history cause he has no knowledge of how dubious the history is. An unintentional propagator maybe, but definitely not a villain.
I love how the thumbnail even mirrors how most people probably thought of jonas as we watched the show. A dapper charming heroic type in the beginning to the amoral heartless bastard we knew he always was deep down
This guy was a master at gaslighting people.
Looking at it, that seems to be what got him killed. Before Jonas found him, Vendata was only going to play a tape about the dirt Jonas had on the Blue Morpho. Vendata only released the air lock after Jonas started gas lighting him and manipulating him, which was especially stupid since it was clear that Vendata was mentally unwell
@@rosesweetcharlotte in other words Jonas was hoist by his own petard.
@@DMobi He definitely thought he had way more control over that situation than he did
@@rosesweetcharlotte people with arrogance like him always seem to think they're in control, in his arrogance it became his own undoing.
Plus he was a narcissist.
Its Jonas Venture what do you expect same with JJ.
Both were extremely arrogant and both ended up dying while the real venture bros Doc & Monarch despite being clones of the Original Rusty & 2% baboon, both are still alive and doing somewhat well despite childhood trauma on both of there ends. @DMobi
This show really does deserve so much more love than it gets. The worldbuilding, story, design, and psychology behind all of these characters is fucking fantastic.
I love Jonas was kind of a villain himself. And he just was friends with the right people. Everyone who hated him kind of had a reason to.
Kind of a villain? He was DEFINITELY a villain
Ironic that villains like Monarch, Killenger, Red Death, etc. are more likeable than Jonas.
Honestly Colonel Gentleman and Action Man, were his friends. Kanoh served Jonas because, Jonas blackmailed the Blue Morpho. Plus knowing how crazy Jonas was he stayed quiet to not only pay respect to Morpho but to also stay alive.
I ain't gonna spoil it here, but this is God tier worldbuilding
To close but to far
"By that logic, you think YOU broke my spacestation."
God, I never realized that connection till now. One little army man.... one little plastic cowboy.
@@zigfaust The cowboy was there because the original Team Venture kicked it there trying to shove the Doc into the PROBLEM.
@@stevem7192 but it was Rustys fault for even having the toys around such high class open tech.
@@zigfaust He was eight!
22:17 karma as it's finest.
The cowboy representing Rusty's represed/ruined childhood and only leaving his head like he did with Blue morpho.
so I guess THAT'S why you don't let a 10 year old work on a space station
I love how rusty is basically supposed to be a Johnny Quest type character when he was a kid lol
That was the intention to venture bros,sort of what if on an older Johnny quest and now actually legit messed up and traumatised he’d be from all the crap he went through as a kid.they even had the char cameo in the series but had to just call him action Johnny due to copyright issues,but the point still stands that the series both spoofed,parodied,tribute and deconstructed the biy adventurer genre all at once. For rusty being a biy adventurer was akin to being a child actor and as such left him a neurotic jaded cynical mess of a man forever living in his dad’s shadow,with few if any ever knowing the truth. That jonas venture,for all his talent and intelligence,was a selfish amoral sociopathic narcissist
And then they bring in the actual Johnny Quest
And he's a messed up drug addict
I love the early episodes when he's on speed the whole time. We saw the evil Dr venture beep in for a second.
Before we found the true extent of his vileness.
Ritalin was actually used as diet pills initially. So my headcanon is that it was probably high doses of ADD medication. Which is an amphetamine. And could make you high. In high doses.
I thought it was Xanax 😂
16:15 that’s crazy especially after you watch the movie and discover he’s really an invention
I'm going to watch th movie frist then come back to this comment
It’s a miracle Rusty’s even alive.
It's the miracle of science as Rusty is a clone as red helper stated that confused Dean for his father.
And while just speculation Rusty died four times 8:46
With the Fear, Self Loathing, stinking Thinking and Diddly dadling could be Rusties last thoughts
but could also be the way he died, Jonas left Rusty to die to safe his own skin, Another where Jonas felt regret/or Jonas switched al blame to , another where Rusty died in a cruel expriment and the last was just neglet, but i commented enough
@@realmoftheouroboros8313 Heart of The Baboon movie that ends the series actually explains that "Rusty" was never a naturaly born person, he was made from scratch as a clone, so was Monarch, but Monarch has 10% od Baboon DNA which is precisely why he hates him and why he looks that much different
I think Rusty is a Clone
@@andrealee8561: Considering how irresponsible his dad was, it’d be weirder if he wasn’t a clone.
I wish there was a compilation of every "Hello, Rusty!"
Jonas Jr is what Sr is in the eyes of the world.
He was much a better person than his dad. It's sad to see him go.
After knowing what Rusty had to deal with, it was a miracle he didn't turn out as the villain killinger thought he was. He did so much better than his fellow boy adventurers. Rusty actually cared.
He cares its just he's so burned out and bitter he self sabotages
The space station scene was the only situation where Jonas venture was shown in a positive way and he was an hallucination.
Wow, Jonas died by getting frozen in space? I guess age, and decline, really does come for us all.
Pretty sure exposure to the rigors of space will kill anyone regardless of age.
@@EmptyMan000anyone except for brock samson
@@neenster69 Oh yeah, he survived that... Brock may be a legit demi-god.
He's got that GigaChad energy.
9:45 you can see the blue morpho. This series is so well written and planned
It is very well written, but most of the time Doc and Jackson simply made it up as they went; A lot of minor background characters and details got turned into fleshed out characters and plot points later on.
@@HyperGolemimo that is just as impressive, cobbling together background gags into not only a very cohesive story in line with the themes of the current characters, but mixing them together?? Like making the plane crash mentioned in episode 1!!! The catalyst for the entire series is crazy, and the fact that the morpho arc is probs my favorite animated arc I’ve ever watched ever
@@HyperGolem The Venture Bros is a masterclass in using retcons to enrich and deepen a story
in the yard sale episode billy makes a comment about a searching for a villain who is human with baboon blood, this was like season 1
@@HyperGolem Rewatching the series you do start to notice that a lot. Hell, you can see St. Cloud as early as the garage sale episode as a minor character
It could've been cool if major tom turned out to be the sovereign.
My favorite old theory was that Jonas was Force Majeure, that he was controlling both sides for his own benefit. But Force Majeure having Jonas' arching rights is pretty cool too.
Greatest invention. That has a deeper meaning now
Teleportation
the psychology on display in all of this scene is absolutely nuts 7:43
When you think about it, all the stuff Jonas does would probably be considered sexual abuse to Rusty now.
@@rosesweetcharlotte...No.
"Come on dad you never believed in ghosts, you were a scientist"
........ didn't he fight the ghost of el ron?
I mean, the Doctor Venture that's seen in the vision is a manifestation of what Rusty thinks of his father. It's likely that Rusty doesn't think Jonas would believe in ghosts. Even though they've dealt with ghosts with Orpheus, Rusty himself doesn't believe them very much.
Throughout the series we saw just how much of a monster this man really was. Just the worse type of person imaginable. He was the true villain of the series
I loved the character that was Dr. Venture Sr. They said of Benjamin Franklin that everything he ventured into he was a success at. The definition of a renaissance man. And that was Jonas, but this show writes his character perfectly; in that he wasn’t exactly the great man we as the audience are meant to interpret him as. Just like actual great figures of history, they do great things for humanity but they aren’t entirely good. Some shows whether it’s fiction or nonfiction have trouble depicting a character the middle, they’re shown to be either 100% good or 100% bad. And as we grow up we realize that that’s not how the real world is.
Benjamin Franklin was a notorious womanizer for instance and the man knew how to party and would come to congress and meetings hungover
@@CJVS995Mate you haven’t read about the insane thing Andrew Jackson did in his life.
I like to think of Jonas Venture as the sort of an embodiment of the worst parts of Space Age era of America, where the obsession with advancing technology only comes for the purpose of fueling one's pride, rather than for the betterment of humanity as it should be. There's an irony in how much of the show's themes are centered around change, but it's only when the characters are able to move on from the kind of childish, toxic idealism of forefathers past which puts up this facade of progress, that they actually begin to grow as people.
I like to think he's the antithesis to the main theme of the Venture Bros: Failure.
Jonas was a success. An amazing success. And he's a rotten prick for it. Every win he has is on the suffering of others, every great invention born to fuel his ego, every fan, friend or family member used an abused.
In a show about loveable screw-ups, washouts and losers, Jonas embodies the hateful "Winner."
I think the best way he’s summarized in the show is Colonel Gentleman’s (paraphrased) “You know Jonas. In three weeks, he forgot his new toy and moved onto the next one.”
It’s telling that so much of the grief in the show can be traced to Jonas’s short-sighted impulsiveness and cavalier ego.
It feels like a satirization of Great Man History where we see glimpses of this revolutionary figure who so many events pivoted around and that everyone looks up to... only for us to realize that he was actually a sociopath who did some really horrific things behind the scenes.
Like Dr. Venture's former professor (I forget his name, the Mister Fantastic rip-off) who is a straight up villain that just presents a charming appearance.
@@randomcenturion7264
I feel like the "I slaid the minotaur!" Scene is such a wonderful example of Jonas. He's upset that Rusty isn't 'appreciating the classics' while Rusty is recreating one of them in his own way. He either didn't know enough to know about "the classics" himself or didn't care about Rusty enough to pay attention to what he was actually doing. Or more likely both.
Rusty had the learning bed
This really does feel like a deconstruction of Great Man History where we see glimpses of this revolutionary figure who so many events pivoted around and that everyone looks up to... only for us to realize that he was actually a sociopath who probably was far more damaging to the world then we like to acknowledge...
Kind of like a lot of big names during the Cold War era.
Looking at Ronald Reagan.
@@Mostie-ev7oh Oh definitely. Fuck the gipper. Those glasses weren't rose tinted they were painted over in red paint...
And the blood of central americans massacred by roving death squads...
@@Mostie-ev7oh Another prime example that comes to mind is Winston Churchill. Yeah he lead Britain through WWII, critics eat your heart out...
But he was also the embodiment of all that was wrong with the British Empire which makes sense because he was a staunch imperialist who's slow decisions caused the starvation of numerous people all over the empire in places like Africa and India, he was responsible for a convoluted plan to get Egypt and Israel to fight so Britain could take control of the Suez Canal as a "neutral third party" and succeeded in pissing off the US and the Soviets, and even after we fought the Nazis he was using concentration camps to deal with Kenyans after they revolted. A British Attorney General drew that exact comparison...
And he was also a belligerent drunk, misogynist, narcissistic, and racist...
WWII truly cemented Churchill's legacy by giving him someone more unpleasant than himself.
But I could frankly keep listing so many examples. Alexander the Great, Cicero, Cinncinatus, Augustus Caesar and many other emperors, Napoleon Bonaparte (ok he's a little more divisive but still), many of the US founding fathers, Otto Von Bismarck, Henry Ford, George Patton, and I could still go on.
My point is, just because an individual was a "Great Man" in history does not mean they were a Good Man.
@@Mostie-ev7oh Looking at most of the Soviet Union. 🤣
@@Mostie-ev7oh Winston Churchill
Venture Bros is how you trick the audience by hiding the villain in plain sight the whole time.
It's honestly a miracle that Rusty didn't grow up to be a psycho
Looking at it, under our understanding of rape as it is now, Jonas forcing Blue Morpho into various sex acts as part of blackmail does constitute rape. Jonas seemed to have a weird sexual fascination with the Blue Morpho
"Our understanding of rape as it is now"
Wtf does that mean ? He blackmailed him with a sextape , dr z was the one who had sex with morpho
You have got to be joking.. Venture didn’t rape Blue Morpho, but he definitely did rape his wife.
They gotta stop changing what constitutes rape.. I mean, blackmail? Really? That’s rape now? Kinda shits on the people actually raped, no?
My headcanon is that Jonas took the Blue Morpho rescuing him the first time they met as a personal slight, and (in true Jonas fashion) manipulated and engineered his downfall and “death” because he couldn’t stand seeing someone as his equal. Every humiliation he put on the Blue Morpho as his friend seemed especially vindictive.
@@jbeast3385 That definitely was a big part of it. The Blue Morpho didn't need him and Jonas made sure that he would.
Lol our understanding hasn't changed at all. It was rape then and would be rape now.
I do love the fakeout when it seemed like they were going to have to find the components blind and then he just gives them the list
As the show goes on it turns out that Jonas is actually the big bad of the show.
The entirety of super-society (superpowered beings, super-scientists, adventurers, super-spies, vigilantes, mutants, etc) all live in the long shadow of Jonas Sr.
Is Rusty’s Hallucinations of his father on Gargantua One actually his father trying to talk to him through the station since the problem light was on and he was in some control?
Perhaps in some capacity
During the first few seasons of VB, I used to remark that Doc Venture was a terrible human being. As the series went on and we learned about Jonas, Sr., I couldn't help but sympathize with him--because yeah, Doc's a pretty big piece of crap, but his father was the King of Crap Mountain.
9:44 that fucking door bell LOL
Never noticed until now lol
16:03 oh shit I just noticed the dead body on the floor was edited out of the pic
Good catch! That would've been bad publicity for Jonas Sr lol.
Which is actually a reference to I think of photo taken in Vietnam or iraq where soldiers were pictured posing with corpses. The satire in this show was great
How the Original Team Venture captured spider skull island is just art hahah the johnny quest ramped up to 11 😂
Brilliant writing how they slowly reveal Jonas' true colors as the series went on. In Season 1, he's presented as a flawed and negligent father to Rusty, but still ultimately a hero and great scientist. By Season 7, its' painfully obvious he was a sociopathic monster and the true villain of the series.
given what we know of Season 7 and how Jonas made most of his tech so advanced it was used by the gang decades after they were first built (X1/X2, HELPeR, the watches/comms we see the original Team Venture use, the hoverbike), he likely was broadcasting to Doc’s watch Doc hallucinated him from that
They should've had a non-canon spinoff series where Rusty actually DID go along with Killinger's efforts and become a full-fledged great supervillain.
best moment of Jonas venture would be 1 minute
it would be 1 minute of his final moments.
You mean when he is murdering his longest suffering victim?
4:46 so that's how jonas jr is born
7:54 why is 24 on a missing persons advert on an orange juice carton lol
For a second I thought you meant 21 and I pulled up this (th-cam.com/video/PefCeWiuj9E/w-d-xo.html) but then I saw the face! My guess is when Rusty and Malcolm were kids (1976ish) 24 was just starting as a henchman for Phantom Limb. He might have run away from his family after the factory he worked at closed and no one else would hire him with only a GED. This probably led to his girlfriend, grief-stricken, to connect with 24's dad (they'd eventually get married).
@@PaulYoungberg
Damn. I just did the math and actually this seems plausible lol. Rusty here is maybe 12. Rusty by season one is 43. 24 looks like an adult on this advert, so to be generous we'll say he's 18. 43-12+18=49.
Yeah, I could believe 24 was 49 at the start of the show.
I like to think that Jonas saying his greatest invention was his son was just to keep his loving public image safe
It could be, however cloning your son in the 1960s is pretty impressive
Still want a Team Venture special
7:58 Jesus Christ
You guys, I think the creators might have a thing for David Bowie :)
Dunno, gonna need more evidence on that
"Mother slipped us a Mickey. Rally Team Venture before she traps us down here forever!"
I just realized that was the prob-lem where Jonas SR was kept.
Never realized it as a kid but my dad was literally Jonas venture I always liked monarch never thought I'd end up as rusty
10:59 you can see adventure man in the pool with his boytoy
*Colonel Gentleman
So Malcolm killed both his real and his bio dad.
Jonas sr was 100% Talking to rusty on gargantua 1
Humongoloid is literally just Andre the Giant. AND a Dick Cavett Cameo. Best AS Cartoon ever.
11:00 there's a theory that Dr Quim was a female clone of Rusty. You can see the resemblance here.
I think it's more plausible that she's Rusty's half sister, given the swingers party and how much Jonas got around.
@ijkxjdc also likely, but if you've seen Baboon Heart...
Sorry spoilers.
@@saxpackabs
I haven't yet. Rewatching, still on season 4, NO SPOILERS.
Same with Malcom
I forgot how good the Bowie references were in "Ghosts of the Sargasso" especially throwing in TVC 15 and Ashes to Ashes
I just noticed this, but 24 is on the OJ carton at 7:52
very odd tribute to doc savage if you ask me
More like a realistic interpretation of the character satirizing American history
@@tenkenroo Nothing realistic about him. More like a deconstruction of the idea that a globe-trotting super-scientist and ladies man prone to child endangerment would be a good person. He would NOT be. He'd be a horrible sociopath.
I would love to see the adventures of rusty venture cartoon from back in the day retro cartoon.
The crazy part of rustys hallucinations in gargantua II is father is actually right there next to him for real inside the p.r.o.b.l.e.m., also crazy jonas says to rusty the "problem" mustve been rustys fault. Mind blown
the only karma he gets is his frozen a** gets broken up and he only lives as a talking head
that's for what he has done to the Blue Morpho
People really want to pin all the blame for every bad thing in the series on Jonas but if Rusty's sons teaches us anything its that people are the product of their enviroments and what makes a person truly good is overcoming it.
I'm convinced Jonas sold Rusty's likeness, many of his patents, and other passive income things, deliberately, and that is why they're so broke. I also am guessing that half the things he invented he didn't patent. Action Man said he got bored with projects easily. I figure the first thing was deliberate so Rusty would be "his own man" or whatever. And also selling his image/likeness just so Rusty wouldn't get it. He may be a terrible business manager, but Jonas is definitely to blame. Just a ton of the gear lying around the compound could be useful in patents, and Rusty doesn't know enough to do that. But Jonas definitely FUBAR'd the patents.
That's an interesting take, and certainly possible. Jonas never replaced the 60s style computers in the compound lab despite living till 1987.
Bad friend.
I wonder if Jonas started to realize how shitty of a dad he was shortly before he died.
I forgot how Venture Srs outfit changed constantly in the space station scene, I remembered it as just being the initial bit.
Rare animation error: 15:57 - There's a dead guy at Jonas' feet
16:02 - But he didn't make it into the group photo
Or maybe Jonas invented Photo Shop
Probably edited the dead guy out because it would've been bad publicity for Jonas Sr.
Kid rusty was so cute!😍
Jonas just….left children to die in a tunnel!?!
And the movie gave no new information about his mysterious death.
It's not really a mystery, we know how he died but the culprit of the movie night massacre remains a mystery. However, it was most likely Red Death or Vendata.
This is Venture Bros. Since when is anything that simple?
I think it would been cool if they did a season of Rusty arching his brother
And Brock had to take the boys to JJs and become the body guard on spider skull Island
jonas venture made a a fall out shelter i forgot about that episode lol thsi show is amazing and growing up in jersey i been following this since well i cant even recall anymore great stuff
Jonas Snr. is bond in cartoon form
But if he was a very bad father like maybe Archer.
Jonas is Elon in cartoon form.
Jonas venture screwed the blue morphos wife because they had a problem with making a kid.
Jonas was the exact opposite of Benton quest from the show Johnny quest and the same for Rusty his clones son.
@@B1SCOOP that’s a lie. Jonas actually invented shit.
Rusty being as stable as he is, which isn’t saying much, its a miracle he hadn’t gone to the deep end
7:59
If you pause it at the right time, you can...
Nvm. Forget i said anything.
I love how Jonas Venture is seen as the world’s greatest hero, but may have ultimately been its greatest villain all through the power of two simple words.
“You dick!!!”
That’s all there was to it. No grand schemes, no elaborate plans. Jonas Venture was just an unbelievably selfish man who ruined lives and never cared.
Honestly i liked it more when jonas was just a well meaning but bumbling and horridly neglectful science hero father, rather than the literal satan that the writers turned him into in later on seasons
I feel like he's both/in the middle. He does seem like he gives a shit about rusty while being a total douche to everyone else, even if in the end it doesn't help treat rusty much better
@@yingerfeltonboi654 yeah but dont you think it kinda undermines the original message of the series?
the whole show was suppossed to be both a love letter and a deconstruction of pulp adventure genre. but the way they made jonas not even close to what a pulp hero is supposed to be like, ends up kinda ruining the deconstruction aspect of his character
I think Rusty was a clone and why he couldn't remember that guy from him childhood
@andrealee8561 I guess the adventures with Hector occurred before Jonas created the learning bed technology involving saving the users brain data. That's why clone Rusty doesn't remember him.
21:22 SEASON 1😂
That Bowie bit is priceless 😂😂😂
Just left the damn kids 😂😂
You know, after everything- even him saying his greatest invention is his son is tainted. He probably means the fact that Rusty is cloned. Fuck, the only reason he probably didn't do it to Blue Morpho is that he threw away Venturion before he became Vendata and never got a hold of any genetic material.
This man was the true villain of the show
Ain't no party like a diddy party that was rusty father
Jonas Sr. is a bigger heel than anyone in the guild
Definitely some clue to Rusty not really having a real mother and being some sort of clone of his father such as Brisbee mentioning the cloning connection and his son (Rusty, not JJ c'mon JJ) being his greatest experiment. Rusty might've even had a double dose of DNA from his dad- the only person Jonas could really love was himself and it would explain the problem with male balding from a double dose of testosterone
My problem with this theory is that Rusty looks almost nothing like Jonas minus the red hair. He probably has a biological mother, maybe he was grown in a test tube or something and was only cloned later when he died on an adventure. JJ looks almost like an exact dwarf-clone of Jonas; Maybe JJ was implanted into Rusty since Jonas hadn't invented a mechanical womb yet, in a grand scheme to make himself immortal one day. Jonas Sr might have used Rusty as a way to experiment with cloning techniques by not only cloning Rusty, but planting his own clone to grow inside of him.
GROUND CONTROL TO MAJOR TOM GROUND CONTROL TO MAJOR TOM
7:57 ummm the black box misses a half second lol 😂
Honestly this man either rivals or beats out clay in being the worst father of all time
And the award for the worst father ever goes to Jonas Venture
To be fair. . . Rusty did break the mans space station 😢
It was actually Jonas who broke it :D he said that he had a "miscommunication" with the space station computer while he was suspended inside the PROBLEM.
@@HyperGolem ohhhh, right!
@@HyperGolem *Dr. Jonas Venture Voice* Still, Rusty, if you did not waste your time playing with toys, avoiding Super Science, and being a complete Giggle Puss in Prof. Impossible's class, then, maybe, Daddy, and all of those watching Sharky's Machine, would be alive today!
@@DoctorX101 But Rusty clearly didn't WANT the life of super science, nor was he suited to it. His father projected his ideals on him and it didn't work.
@@Sabretooth7777 Hence in "Dr. Jonas Venture Voice."
The irony is as much as "Rusty" resented that, he sort of turned around and did the same thing, His sons were possession, just as he was to his father. He pushed both to follow the path he hated. He focuses on Dean, but Hank is sort of more of the "boy adventurer."
Now, I think "Rusty" has some redeeming qualities over his father. Though we need to remember that these are characters played for comedy. So "Rusty" can feel a twinge of fatherly concern for Dean, and then harness the corpses of "Ted" and "Groovy" to join the ranks of "Venturestein!"
And also dr jonas maybe a heroic character of the outside but inside he’s the immature st type character ever he was so focused of himself
So was the line, there is another venture, is it supposed to be the monarch
It was JJ
So like, a lot of what Team Venture did and said I could kind of forgive because it’s like they’re products of their time and don’t realize the damage they do, but then there’s that moment where they just straight up book it out of those tunnels without even *trying* to save the kids. And most of them were wonked out on psycho gas but doc venture had his wits about him, he couldn’t have grabbed a tyke or two? He had to condemn *all* the kids to hellish life as filthy insane mole people?
Jonas is such a chad
15:56 name of song at least a similar one
I'd just end it all if I couldn't figure out how to use shazam
hahahahaha he was asina like jamesbond ahahhahahahahahahah
people called me a madman in chat