@@awake-notwoke6473Bruh 😂 They’re in no position to do with with their cover ups and any sane person knows that the top riders dope. If u don’t wanna watch doped athletes then don’t watch any sport where it’s so dependent upon aerobic or Anaerobic output.
@@telmolicioustrue, but the explosion over the last few years has been insane. I read that jonas did 7,6w/kg for 13:20 min from beginning of tt climb to finish which would be more than pantani ever did and therefore the most in cycling history. At this point i am scared we are going to see a rider die of a heart attack or something like that
The only other crash over a wall on a downhill that I remember is Peter Sagan, who also came back up and continued riding. Thanks for sharing, Johan. Amazing story!
Jonas was with his wife and daughter, on the rest day, and said to Danish TV, that this made him loaded with love and ready to fight. He was really loaded, ready, flying that TT, fighting for showing he´s dominance. It worked. Cheers from Denmark
At the start of the ITT, Pogi looked pale & unwell. He had a cold sore in the corner of his mouth which could indicate stress, fatigue or illness. I want to see Pogi win the tour & I hope he can bounce back but the next stage will be crucial.
Hi everyone Some stats for u. Since 2021 JV and TP has rode 8 ITT against each other here are the facts and numbers TP 4 wins JV 4 wins 4 short under 15 km TP 3 wins JV 1 win 4 long plus 15 km JV 3 wins TP 1 win 1st week ITT TP 4 wins JV 1 win 3rd week stage race ITT JV 3 wins TP 0 They are both very strong ITT raiders, some of the best in the world(only specialists better). The stats so far show a clear picture. When they go head to head in ITT, TP will win when they have fresh legs.(JV has only won 1 time against TP and that was in basque 2021 ITT but only with 9 seconds . JV wins in 3rd week ITT. TP has never won a ITT against JV in a 3rd week ITT. JV is the best ITT in the world after 3 weeks racing in my opinion. Which means that to make the tour GC interesting(close) in the future, the ITT in the tour needs to be a 25-30 km ITT in the start of the tour. Then TP might gain 30 sec or maybe a minute on JV/and then bad/cold weather in week 3, then we will get a close Tour de France. Im from Denmark and of course want JV to win but I love TP very much too, but without the above mentioned, I really think that TP will have big troubles winning against JV. And we all really want a close Tour de France no matter who ones favorite is. In 2022 JV would have won with 5 minutes if he had not sat up before the climb in the ITT to give his friend WWA the win and this year a win over 7 minutes. Next year If both are at their best I think Jonas will win clearly. Since we have a long ITT on the last day and TP will probably loose 1-3 minutes on that ITT, and TP has never taken minutes on JV in the mountains. Sidewind or coubble stages are his only chance to take minutes and with JV strong Jumbo team it's unlikely to happen. I really don't think TP will win the tour over Jonas if he does not skip the classic season and this might not be enough anyway. We will see I think he will eventually try this strategy once at least. But damn we live in exiting times. I have followed Tour de France since the mid 1980s and we are so blessed to have such gifted talents right now(JV, TP, Remco, WWA, MVTP and PR) All 6 writes history in their own way that will be remembered in years to come. The discussion the worlds best is in my opinion not that important. but if I have to give u my take on it right now(the last years results.) 1. TP, 2. JV, 3. WWA, 4. Remco, 5. MVTP, 6 PR, 7. Mads P. TP will probably go over in history as the best overall raider after merxc. IF JV keeps evolving and can keep this level for the next 5-6 years Especially if he wins Vuelta this year, then he has a chance to win plus 10 grand tours and become one of histories best GC raiders of all time. With Remco we will see. I don't see him beating JV or TP in the mountain in any near future. Damn im looking forward to the Vuelta. Remember to enjoy this speciel times and keep your self respect by following the example of JV and TP. Have respect for each other and have a bit of class. Let the best legs and tactic intelligence win.
Sep Kuss is a great lieutenant on a great team. I don't know if the timing of his career will allow him to become a GC contender. It would be great to see him win at least one Grand Tour.
this effort by JV appears to be equal to that of Floyd the day he went off early and crushed the field. I still don't think this is over, the Col Loze is tough and the decent into the finish will be hard.
Does it? He smashed the TT last year just let off the last 2k to let wout win. Took way more risks, short TT with climbs was always going to suit him vs the heavier pog
@@thomaspetersen9991 Yup, Pogi needs to go hard and fast and see if he can hold on in the last climb. But if he goes on the final climb the long wind of Vingegaard will win.
Yeah, I also thought of Floyd Landis' crushing win, only to be disqualified for doping soon thereafter. I hope doping isn't in the current pro-cycling field.
I wonder what the time difference might have been if Pogacar had followed Vingegaard? Pogacar seems to me motivated by immediate competition with other riders, but leading out ahead of his prime competitor gave him no metric with which to find motivation. Oh, how about those old early 90's non-suspended mountain bikes! As per Gino Bartali, I recently read a biography of his life, both before, during, and after WW2. He indeed was a hero on his bike in all three phases of his career - a great man, actually. He was able to do his war time feats on the bicycle due to his high reputation as a racer, established before the war, in Italy.
I’m not sure it would have made any difference. Pogacar went before Roglic in 2020 and blew him out of the water. Also, he was receiving real time updates on Jonas during the ride today, so he knew he was losing time. Pogi himself said today he went all out and was on his limit the entire time.
TDF 2024 will be even harder for Pog to win, since there is a possibility of Roglic, Remco, and healthy Egan on the roster. I wonder how Pog vs Jonas will go.
I remember that crash and what made me remember is Johan looking for a fresh bike to continue… man they don’t make them like they used to …. chapeau Johan
Jumbo dont leave anything to chance they planned this result from day 1. They have taken effort planning over the whole 20 days not day to day. Roglic produced the same effort stratergy. Keep the gap close, reduce your load and then smash 1 big day.
On the basis of the ITT, Jonas is looking even better than Remco as a time trialist. It is surprising then that he is not on the Danish team for the WC ITT.
In comparison, How about taking away all the bonus seconds Pogi got. What is the differece between Johus and Pogo ? That is a better showing of whos stronger
Seeing Wout cross the line he didn't have anything left, but it was a lot of elevation in this short TT and Wout is not as fast as those 2 on this surface.
35:50 this seems obvious 1947 is when they restarted and if they even ran in 1939 at all it would have been at knifepoint type of tension and stress of the impending war...... Yes Bartali was RIGHTEOUS AMONG THE NATIONS for his actions during the war, and he was so obsessed with Coppi doping that he drove out to the mountains in the middle of the night to find a water bottle he'd thrown away during the race to have it tested.... Yes that's right, he had someone mark where Coppi threw a bottle away😆😆 or is this rumor
on this rate another doping scandal will hit the sport. what we saw today would've destroyed TT specialist from the EPO years. And Jonas isn't a TT specialist.
@@marmotsongs he got scratched because he was a giant asshole, and then he got caught. Every single challenger he had got caught for doing as well. He was the most successful too, so he was the obvious target for the ban. That said, they should put all those guys back in the books. UCI and the rest were all ignoring it for two decades.
@@henriknielsen1662 you don’t know me or anything about me. I do however know, JV’s weight, his Vo2, his power, wpkg, the times he’s putting in… and I know all that in relation to all that I know about WVA…….and I know all of the above in relation to cyclists who have admitted they have doped, go on, tell me it’s tech and nutrition improvements?? Athletic greens maybe 😂😂😂
Everybody who knows cycling and who is not biased because he is (JV, Vinge) fan or Danish citizen knows, this cant be legit! Maybe this can help: Most of the doped riders from the past got big jaws and wider ears, because of using too much performance drugs. Now look Jonas face... Maybe you can tell us more about that JB, but they probably wont allow you...
With all that's gone on in cycling I understand your scepticism. But pog and jonas are two fantastic and decent young men. They are always surrounded by their families after the races. I just can't see either of them letting down their nearest and dearest, I just can't see it. They're two phenomenons. I honestly don't think I'm being naive.
Was expecting this from a frenchman, perhaps i should not be surprised it also comes from Americans who systematically dope all their athletes from youth and up. Plz document the smoking gun you have on Jonas, we all would like to hear your deep thoughts 😊
@bexplosion I’m a fan of the American riders thank you. But my comment was across the board at all, putting up times that wouldn’t have been achieved in the ulrich, pantani, Armstrong era.
I could not shine Johan's shoes in terms of knowledge. But, there is something wrong with Pogacar. They are matching the "king of doping" Lance @ 7 watts per kilo but no one says sh_t. Let's see Vingeagaards numbers and discuss.
Look at Jonas’ body. Freakishly slender and flexible upper body and thicker legs. The denominator is weight and Jonas is so much lighter than doped winners
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beautiful and courageous downhilling and cornering by Jonas. Well deserved win.
Pogi has only been better at 1-2 km attacks, was wheeled in when he tried 3 km …today was 22 km.
To me Jonas looked like he
was hungry to win, Pogi looked like he didn’t really care if he won tbh
Jonás made his homework 📚 perfectly. Tagej just enjoy pool time.
if you believe that youre just a dummy at that point.🤡
Very rare to see Bruyneel surprised by anything.
He knows blatant doping when he sees it. Shame he and Lance dont bring this up on their podcsts
@@awake-notwoke6473Bruh 😂
They’re in no position to do with with their cover ups and any sane person knows that the top riders dope.
If u don’t wanna watch doped athletes then don’t watch any sport where it’s so dependent upon aerobic or Anaerobic output.
@@telmolicioustrue, but the explosion over the last few years has been insane. I read that jonas did 7,6w/kg for 13:20 min from beginning of tt climb to finish which would be more than pantani ever did and therefore the most in cycling history. At this point i am scared we are going to see a rider die of a heart attack or something like that
@@tyrannosaurusspeck8918 U cant compare a short tt performance to a pantani effort on a long mountain stage.
Thank you! This was electric
Bartoli Doc is on Peacock, great stuff. Thanks Johan!
The problem for Pogi is that the third week is usually Vingo's strength..
That’s certainly true
Best TDF commentary and analysis on the net.
Period.
JB Hager is a fantastic host and really brings out Johans best.
Pogi can Sprint Jonas out by 4 sec but Jonas is Like Pantani.jonas can keep The pace loooong time and you see at Stage 17
Wow listening to Bruyneel describing his crash makes you wonder what GINO was thinking! RIP GINO. God Bless!
its always a pleasure to see what he thinks, getting the inside scoop.
Pogi hopes for rain.. lol. Jonas is from the most Windy & Rainey part of Denmark. 💯
Rain is no problem for Jonas almost better.
Stay safe 🤘🇺🇲🇩🇰🤘
Yes it Rains here 280 Days a Year 😅😅😅
I'm going to see this as the official "we disown Jonas" post if he has a nightmare in rainy conditions (My comment's tongue in cheek so don't worry)
First time watching this. Well done. Great stories from Bruneel
First time I’ve listened, brilliant guys very interesting and entertaining
The only other crash over a wall on a downhill that I remember is Peter Sagan, who also came back up and continued riding.
Thanks for sharing, Johan. Amazing story!
Look up the clip of Mattias Skjelmose during Vuelta last year. Replica of Johan's. You can hear Skjelmose yell "just give me a bike". Insane
Such a nice moment when Van Aert took his hat off for Jonas
Jonas was with his wife and daughter, on the rest day, and said to Danish TV, that this made him loaded with love and ready to fight. He was really loaded, ready, flying that TT, fighting for showing he´s dominance. It worked. Cheers from Denmark
At the start of the ITT, Pogi looked pale & unwell. He had a cold sore in the corner of his mouth which could indicate stress, fatigue or illness. I want to see Pogi win the tour & I hope he can bounce back but the next stage will be crucial.
Jonas is a model professional. Pogi is pogi.
You’re a pogi. Vin is a drug user
Great fotos of the young Johan! 👏🏼
5400m of climbs tomorrow?!? Mamma Mia 😧
Hi everyone Some stats for u. Since 2021 JV and TP has rode 8 ITT
against each other here are the facts and numbers
TP 4 wins
JV 4 wins
4 short under 15 km
TP 3 wins
JV 1 win
4 long plus 15 km
JV 3 wins
TP 1 win
1st week ITT
TP 4 wins
JV 1 win
3rd week stage race ITT
JV 3 wins
TP 0
They are both very strong ITT raiders, some of the best in the world(only specialists better). The stats so far show a clear picture. When they go head to head in ITT, TP will win when they have fresh legs.(JV has only won 1 time against TP and that was in basque 2021 ITT but only with 9 seconds . JV wins in 3rd week ITT. TP has never won a ITT against JV in a 3rd week ITT. JV is the best ITT in the world after 3 weeks racing in my opinion. Which means that to make the tour GC interesting(close) in the future, the ITT in the tour needs to be a 25-30 km ITT in the start of the tour. Then TP might gain 30 sec or maybe a minute on JV/and then bad/cold weather in week 3, then we will get a close Tour de France. Im from Denmark and of course want JV to win but I love TP very much too, but without the above mentioned, I really think that TP will have big troubles winning against JV. And we all really want a close Tour de France no matter who ones favorite is. In 2022 JV would have won with 5 minutes if he had not sat up before the climb in the ITT to give his friend WWA the win and this year a win over 7 minutes. Next year If both are at their best I think Jonas will win clearly. Since we have a long ITT on the last day and TP will probably loose 1-3 minutes on that ITT, and TP has never taken minutes on JV in the mountains. Sidewind or coubble stages are his only chance to take minutes and with JV strong Jumbo team it's unlikely to happen. I really don't think TP will win the tour over Jonas if he does not skip the classic season and this might not be enough anyway. We will see I think he will eventually try this strategy once at least. But damn we live in exiting times. I have followed Tour de France since the mid 1980s and we are so blessed to have such gifted talents right now(JV, TP, Remco, WWA, MVTP and PR) All 6 writes history in their own way that will be remembered in years to come. The discussion the worlds best is in my opinion not that important. but if I have to give u my take on it right now(the last years results.) 1. TP, 2. JV, 3. WWA, 4. Remco, 5. MVTP, 6 PR, 7. Mads P. TP will probably go over in history as the best overall raider after merxc. IF JV keeps evolving and can keep this level for the next 5-6 years Especially if he wins Vuelta this year, then he has a chance to win plus 10 grand tours and become one of histories best GC raiders of all time. With Remco we will see. I don't see him beating JV or TP in the mountain in any near future. Damn im looking forward to the Vuelta. Remember to enjoy this speciel times and keep your self respect by following the example of JV and TP. Have respect for each other and have a bit of class. Let the best legs and tactic intelligence win.
What do you think about Sepp Kuss 13th place - quite good after the crash Sunday.
I think he had a great TT but I did expect that from Kuss
Sep Kuss is a great lieutenant on a great team. I don't know if the timing of his career will allow him to become a GC contender. It would be great to see him win at least one Grand Tour.
this effort by JV appears to be equal to that of Floyd the day he went off early and crushed the field.
I still don't think this is over, the Col Loze is tough and the decent into the finish will be hard.
Does it? He smashed the TT last year just let off the last 2k to let wout win. Took way more risks, short TT with climbs was always going to suit him vs the heavier pog
Its Jonas The 28 km climb 😅😅.pogi is 600 meters and 4 sec
@@thomaspetersen9991 Yup, Pogi needs to go hard and fast and see if he can hold on in the last climb.
But if he goes on the final climb the long wind of Vingegaard will win.
Yeah, I also thought of Floyd Landis' crushing win, only to be disqualified for doping soon thereafter. I hope doping isn't in the current pro-cycling field.
Mad props, Johan. You just cared about a new bike. awsome
Love Johans insight.
Actually, the Tourmalet is not as high, only 2115 meters.
I wonder what the time difference might have been if Pogacar had followed Vingegaard? Pogacar seems to me motivated by immediate competition with other riders, but leading out ahead of his prime competitor gave him no metric with which to find motivation. Oh, how about those old early 90's non-suspended mountain bikes! As per Gino Bartali, I recently read a biography of his life, both before, during, and after WW2. He indeed was a hero on his bike in all three phases of his career - a great man, actually. He was able to do his war time feats on the bicycle due to his high reputation as a racer, established before the war, in Italy.
I do think it would be closer but I also feel Vingegaard is stronger uphill, especially if it goes on for longer.
I’m not sure it would have made any difference. Pogacar went before Roglic in 2020 and blew him out of the water. Also, he was receiving real time updates on Jonas during the ride today, so he knew he was losing time. Pogi himself said today he went all out and was on his limit the entire time.
For some reason, on Johan crash video, the cameraman decided to focus on the sky.
There was a lot of pushing and shoving there
Gravel and MTB's are going crazy wide with bars.
its interesting because the current meta is that narrower bars are faster. I just find them way less comfortable.
TDF 2024 will be even harder for Pog to win, since there is a possibility of Roglic, Remco, and healthy Egan on the roster. I wonder how Pog vs Jonas will go.
..and a 35km time trial on stage 21.
I remember that crash and what made me remember is Johan looking for a fresh bike to continue… man they don’t make them like they used to …. chapeau Johan
Skjelmose in the Vuelta last year. Insane clip
How come no one is bringing up the deja Vu!! Pogi did this to roglic and now it happened to him!!!
This tt was very unusual, watched cycling for over 50 years - that tt result again very unusual
I recon Wout was told to do a 90% ITT to save for the following days
Wout apparently slow paced the first part to through off Pogi
damn, that's a killer theory
Jumbo dont leave anything to chance they planned this result from day 1. They have taken effort planning over the whole 20 days not day to day. Roglic produced the same effort stratergy. Keep the gap close, reduce your load and then smash 1 big day.
Vingegaard has looked better in the flat and descent the whole Tour
On the basis of the ITT, Jonas is looking even better than Remco as a time trialist. It is surprising then that he is not on the Danish team for the WC ITT.
The course doesn't suit him at all
In comparison, How about taking away all the bonus seconds Pogi got. What is the differece between Johus and Pogo ? That is a better showing of whos stronger
Hearing the great story of Johan’s off the cliff crash, I think you guys need to make him a new T-shirt with a « See you in the bushes » 😂👍
What if WVA purposely went a little slow to artificially impact Pogi when he compared time hacks?
WVA probably don´t allow that
Seeing Wout cross the line he didn't have anything left, but it was a lot of elevation in this short TT and Wout is not as fast as those 2 on this surface.
You apparently didn't watch it.
Only chance now for Tadej is if Jonas doesn`t recover after that penomenal effort in the TT.
Tadej is going to Landis the field by at least 4 minutes tomorrow! Victory is at hand!! 🚴👍🏻
2020 all over again lol #Dopacar
MAYBE POGI IS PLAY POSIUM , we know he can climb too still a couple stages to come lots of climbing involved . l say lets wait n see !!
Allan Peiper is focusing on fighting cancer.
All the best to him on recovering if he can.
Was Jonas saving legs last weekend for stage 16 and 17??? He cooked Pogacar during stages 13, 14 and 16 and now showed he looking the last week.
Jonas always is better in 3rd week, but he did come in better shape than last year. But so did Pogi
35:50 this seems obvious 1947 is when they restarted and if they even ran in 1939 at all it would have been at knifepoint type of tension and stress of the impending war...... Yes Bartali was RIGHTEOUS AMONG THE NATIONS for his actions during the war, and he was so obsessed with Coppi doping that he drove out to the mountains in the middle of the night to find a water bottle he'd thrown away during the race to have it tested.... Yes that's right, he had someone mark where Coppi threw a bottle away😆😆 or is this rumor
Poggie wont win another TDF if he focuses on a spring campaign. Have to be hyper focused on TDF. Jonas is going for the 7 😂
on this rate another doping scandal will hit the sport. what we saw today would've destroyed TT specialist from the EPO years. And Jonas isn't a TT specialist.
How long before test results come in ?
must be the girlfriend.
If Pogi fucked his gf last night. Then blame it on her. Males should not have sex before an important performance.
@@insinty I mean she is on his ass...not sex. blah blah---in his head
JB2 please also recall Cadel Evan’s TT. He was flying!
D O P I N G
Reminds me of Bjarne Riis. Don't buy the large margin he beat Wout's time in the flat section before the final climb in that short of distance!
7.6 watt pr kilo. No question he is on something.
Du kan jo læse danske aviser, så du må også vide, at Jonas har en fysiologi, der er i særklasse selv for topatleter
@@henriknielsen1662 som er så meget bedre end alke andre atleter? Så naiv er jeg ikke
@@srenpetersen1681 Det tal er falsk. Folk med mere troværdighed har regnet det til at være mellem 6.9-7.1.
@@srenpetersen1681 Nej, du er komplet STUPID!!!
No comments by the guys of the possible elephant in the room
All I could think at the end of the tt was that they may aswell give Armstrong those 7 Tours back
So who was doped? Vingegaard or Pogi?
@@BSnicksboth. One guy emptied the bag in the vein last night 😂
Lance didn’t get scratched from the books because he doped. He got scratched because he got caught. Jonas hasn’t.
@@marmotsongs he got scratched because he was a giant asshole, and then he got caught. Every single challenger he had got caught for doing as well. He was the most successful too, so he was the obvious target for the ban. That said, they should put all those guys back in the books. UCI and the rest were all ignoring it for two decades.
First. 👑
Vin is on drugs. Good drugs.
First one who is not afraid to say that
The silence from the panel re PED’s is deafening. No way Jonas just did that clean.
How could you possibly know?
@joeblack7469: I have about as little basis for accusing you of being a serial rapist as you have of accusing anybody in the TdF of doping.
@@henriknielsen1662 you don’t know me or anything about me. I do however know, JV’s weight, his Vo2, his power, wpkg, the times he’s putting in… and I know all that in relation to all that I know about WVA…….and I know all of the above in relation to cyclists who have admitted they have doped, go on, tell me it’s tech and nutrition improvements?? Athletic greens maybe 😂😂😂
Everybody who knows cycling and who is not biased because he is (JV, Vinge) fan or Danish citizen knows, this cant be legit!
Maybe this can help: Most of the doped riders from the past got big jaws and wider ears, because of using too much performance drugs.
Now look Jonas face...
Maybe you can tell us more about that JB, but they probably wont allow you...
Buhuu I want my mommy…pogi didnt win😂
Maybe this can help too. Most people with small brains go to the comment section and throw conspiracies and accusations around.
Cry harder😂 always the doping accusations. Pogi and Jonas are both clean, they are scared to attack more than once in a stage, they are clean
What an idiot 😢 Jumbo can’t even make Jonas drink ketones as the rest of the riders.
With all that's gone on in cycling I understand your scepticism. But pog and jonas are two fantastic and decent young men. They are always surrounded by their families after the races. I just can't see either of them letting down their nearest and dearest, I just can't see it. They're two phenomenons. I honestly don't think I'm being naive.
Doping
Was expecting this from a frenchman, perhaps i should not be surprised it also comes from Americans who systematically dope all their athletes from youth and up. Plz document the smoking gun you have on Jonas, we all would like to hear your deep thoughts 😊
OK, so if Vingegaard was on juice. What was the rest of the peloton on?
If your hero doesn't win someone else must be cheating
Salty loser mentality. Accept defeat or stay crying in your corner.
@bexplosion I’m a fan of the American riders thank you. But my comment was across the board at all, putting up times that wouldn’t have been achieved in the ulrich, pantani, Armstrong era.
I could not shine Johan's shoes in terms of knowledge. But, there is something wrong with Pogacar. They are matching the "king of doping" Lance @ 7 watts per kilo but no one says sh_t. Let's see Vingeagaards numbers and discuss.
🤡
Look at Jonas’ body. Freakishly slender and flexible upper body and thicker legs. The denominator is weight and Jonas is so much lighter than doped winners