@@FixAndForget I should be thanking you for your excellent video. Unfortunately, my career on that field has ended, not because of retirement. I had to change to office job. Long story. I see that we share the same passion though. Looks like you earned one more subscriber to your channel! 😊 keep up the good job.
Remember almost losing a finger when a main bearing jack bolt slipped when lifting it out to remove the cap for survey. Think the bolts were ca. 90kg each. Used a chain block to lift them after that...fuel injectors are big lumps as well. Best engines of that era imo, way more solid than the later stuff...despite the scavenges!! Thanks for posting.
I am very sorry about the finger!!!! I have come to be so much more careful down below than when I was younger but regardless, accidents can always happen even when all precautions are taken. Thanks for watching!
Did 3 deep sea trips UK-Aus/NZ in 1965-66 on twin screw 2x6cly Sulzer job (built 1960). Had endless troubles with those. Head gaskets leaking when Manouvering the engines. Like playing the band with all the different squeaks & sqeals. They closed up when full ahead. Homeward bound changing an injector every day. Copper locating pin kept shearing and nozzle turning letting fuel oil into cooling water. One Engineer almost full time grinding nozzles. Water in No.2 Port Scavenge drain glass. Liner pulled, replaced O rings, boxed up ,still leaking. Checked for cracked liner ended up blanking unit off. Port engine 80 RPM, Stbd at 90 whole ship bouncing with the odd RPMs. Two days later "BANG BANG from same crankcase. Someone didn't secure crosshead locking pin properly and crosshead turned and hitting Piston telescopics casing. Oh what fun we had, couldn't wait to pay off that trip.
Ah, I was just thinking that's a very similar RND to one I sailed with and how good they were, then you mentioned scavenges....yeuch. Shame she wasn't full away in the video, so I could remember the sounds.
Most of my sea time was on the Harland and Wolffe opposed piston types. Good solid engines. Three trips on a twin six Sulzer job in 1965--66 was enough for me. Endless problems, Blanked a unit off at sea, ended up taking out the Con Road ETC after two more days. Changing a different Injector every day homeward bound from NZ to UK. Dropped the hook at Southend to wait the tide, went astern to bite the hook and No5 Stb head gasket blew out. What a carry on.
The RND-M was much better than the RD. No rotating valves in the exhaust due to the change from impulse turbocharging to constant pressure turbocharging and the one-piece forged steel cylinder head instead of the two piece cast head of the RND and RD was a good improvement as well.
My grandfather did his apprenticeship with Sulzer in Winterthur, CH the end of the 19th century. I really enjoyed this video. Nice to see and hear the stack at the end.
@@jdp..1716 Thanks for watching. I graduated deck from A&M in 18'. If you spend any time on an ROS ship you're likely to see one. The chief on here could remember when the engines had big coil springs to close the exhaust valves. Good luck at the academy.
9:31 can see the fuel pump blocks. i remember taking a Sulzer class many years ago and learned how to carry out fuel pump timing on a single-cylinder RND simulator. When the opportunity came to do it in the "real world", it wasn't so nice, cool, or clean. lol
Il motore principale é un diesel 2 tempi a lavaggio trasversale. Non ha nessuna valvola in testa. Il pistone ha il mantello molto lungo proprio perché apre e chiude le luci di ammissione e scarico,un autentico motore 2 tempi. Fantastico pezzo di storia, tutto meccanico. 😊😊😊👏👏👏
It reminds me of my very first ship, MV Rosie D, built by Namura Shipbuilding of Japan. 7RND68 Mitsubishi Sulzer 11,550 bhp at 150 rpm IIRC. Yanmar gen-sets. That ship was built to a much cheaper specification than this vessel, but it was still very well built and all the machinery was sturdy.
From my experience Japanese built vessels are of very good quality. As I get older I find myself liking their products more and more. Thanks for watching!
@@FixAndForget In the 80's I worked on a vessel made by Hyundai Heavy Industries of Ulsan South Korea. The quality assurance, build and fit quality from the yard was appalling, loose gaskets in the fuel system, swarf and welding debris in air systems. The main engine and gen-sets were perfect, but they weren't built in that shipyard, just installed there. HHI improved very quickly after that, but still well short of the Japanese yards. Today I work power stations, and one of our plants uses 240 MW Mitsubishi gas turbines and I can still recognise the conservative over-engineering that I first saw in that Mitsubishi Sulzer engine all those years ago.
Looks like the ECR has been retrofitted in recent times, didn't have flat screens or those controls back in the day. Shame as it was great fun with the old manual controls seeing who could use the least air per start 😊
How about a 1934 built Berminster & Wane double acting top and bottom exhaust pistons lay shaft driven roots blower that had been given some rough treatment during WW II. This was my first ship in 1956 as a junior engineer and introduced me to scavenge fires and big hammer maintenance and all on marine gas oil! MWD.
That's really cool Mike, I had no idea B&W made such a thing. I've worked on a few WWII vintage Clevelands but nothing huge. I saw my first double acting engine last weekend at a steam show. It was a natural gas "Snow" engine of 400 horse. Very cool. Thanks for watching!
I probably could work in that engine room within a few days of orientation. I worked with that engine and tools. One small remark about this engine: it is not completely valveless. There are banks of valve boxes (plate valves) between the scavenge air box and the cylinder intake manifold. At first I had a nice fuzzy nostalgia feeling until I remembered the absolute horror of the re-occurring cleaning of that air box and those valves. We had to save fuel and therefore had to run that engine too slow. In combination with the very dirty fuel we had to clean the scavenger air box and those valves every few weeks. It was horrible. And we were slow: one time we did 5 weeks from LA to South Korea. No more fresh vegetables, the last days we had only rice, canned green beans and home grown bean sprouts (Taugé). He had enough for the crossing, but after the crossing we had to go at anchor at a place we could not see the shore. No customs, no supply and not allowed to go ashore. It took a couple of days before we were allowed to anchor in the river delta and every thing became normal again.
I greatly sympathize with you on the long trips, lack of fresh food and scav box cleanings. Were these engines prone to air box fires. Thanks for watching sir!
I remember while in port working on those rotary exhaust valves. An enginner got his foot caught in that link while the engine was being turned. Can't remember the result but it wouldn't have been good.
Did Not know DAIHATSU made ship engines, we were on a ship named PACAFIC NOMAD, being used as a dive boat in FIJI in 1990 it had a HYUNDAI Diesel engine, with air start, I looked it up, found it’s just rusting away, tied up somewhere in FIJI, CApt APATE, was a really nice man, I used to go to the wheelhouse nightly with crew drinking KAVA, NICE CREW,🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Daihatsu Engines are crap though. They don't have Marks punched into the Crank Webs for measuring Crankshaft Deflection. Instead, you have to place the Dial Gauge manually according to the Coordinates given in the Manual, and hope that it won't move when turning the Crankshaft to the next Position. You just can't geht reliable Measurements that Way.
Ok cool.... Thats not running, but nice to see a close up... Where is the main engine..? Chief Makoi would kick your ass.. !! 😂 Thanks for the clip anyway 😊
It is the main engine lol. Not sure if I understand the question. I wish I could have filmed this one running but maybe one day. Check out my other videos for some runners. I haven't seen much Chief Makoi but he certainly has WAY more time on his hands than we do. Filming videos like that on here would require some sort of controlled substance. Thanks for watching man!
Forgot something: the usual way to store a spare turbocharger rotor on a ship is to suspend it vertically, thus preventing it from bending by its own weight.
Jan thanks for sharing! You are absolutely correct. I snapped a few pictures of the rotor when we craned it on, it ended up going back onto the #2 SSDG.
I am a bit confused by the picture of the upper deck of the ship. It looks enormous but has not the layout of an ocean going vessel. Is it a ship build for the Great Lakes?
Witch one is this the Old Nedlloyd Rosario or the Nedlloyd Rouen i saild both of them good ships only very noisy in the accomodation If she was a long side in the harbor and the ramp was down! On the Nedlloyd Rosario i was on board when she sailed between Europe - North America en the Nedlloyd Rouen on the New sealand - Asia route.
This was the Rouen. You have an excellent memory, I'm not sure if I would remember some of my old ships just from the engine room. Thanks for watching!
The RND 90 Sulzer was not valveless. On the turbocharger side of the engine there was a rotory plate valve for the exhaust. I remember working undoing the water cooling pipes under the valve unit. A swine of a job. 2 spanners with different offsets to get any turn no the water unions.Ugh.
An empty and quiet engine room makes me feel strange. An engineer can understand what I mean... Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching! It was nice to not have to wear ear plugs although I would have preferred it was running.
@@FixAndForget I should be thanking you for your excellent video. Unfortunately, my career on that field has ended, not because of retirement. I had to change to office job. Long story. I see that we share the same passion though. Looks like you earned one more subscriber to your channel! 😊 keep up the good job.
Thank you sir! We all end up ashore at some point. I'll be there too one day.
Remember almost losing a finger when a main bearing jack bolt slipped when lifting it out to remove the cap for survey. Think the bolts were ca. 90kg each. Used a chain block to lift them after that...fuel injectors are big lumps as well. Best engines of that era imo, way more solid than the later stuff...despite the scavenges!! Thanks for posting.
I am very sorry about the finger!!!! I have come to be so much more careful down below than when I was younger but regardless, accidents can always happen even when all precautions are taken. Thanks for watching!
Did 3 deep sea trips UK-Aus/NZ in 1965-66 on twin screw 2x6cly Sulzer job (built 1960). Had endless troubles with those. Head gaskets leaking when Manouvering the engines. Like playing the band with all the different squeaks & sqeals. They closed up when full ahead. Homeward bound changing an injector every day. Copper locating pin kept shearing and nozzle turning letting fuel oil into cooling water. One Engineer almost full time grinding nozzles. Water in No.2 Port Scavenge drain glass. Liner pulled, replaced O rings, boxed up ,still leaking. Checked for cracked liner ended up blanking unit off. Port engine 80 RPM, Stbd at 90 whole ship bouncing with the odd RPMs. Two days later "BANG BANG from same crankcase. Someone didn't secure crosshead locking pin properly and crosshead turned and hitting Piston telescopics casing. Oh what fun we had, couldn't wait to pay off that trip.
@PeterGardner-e1z Jeez that's a nightmare! Haven't sailed on anything that bad or needing constant attention. Glad you survived it!
Ah, I was just thinking that's a very similar RND to one I sailed with and how good they were, then you mentioned scavenges....yeuch. Shame she wasn't full away in the video, so I could remember the sounds.
Most of my sea time was on the Harland and Wolffe opposed piston types. Good solid engines. Three trips on a twin six Sulzer job in 1965--66 was enough for me. Endless problems, Blanked a unit off at sea, ended up taking out the Con Road ETC after two more days. Changing a different Injector every day homeward bound from NZ to UK. Dropped the hook at Southend to wait the tide, went astern to bite the hook and No5 Stb head gasket blew out. What a carry on.
I worked on a 9RD90 back in '83. Scavenge cleans and horrendous reversing gear. Never forget it!
That sounds awful. Thanks for watching!
The RND-M was much better than the RD. No rotating valves in the exhaust due to the change from impulse turbocharging to constant pressure turbocharging and the one-piece forged steel cylinder head instead of the two piece cast head of the RND and RD was a good improvement as well.
My grandfather did his apprenticeship with Sulzer in Winterthur, CH the end of the 19th century. I really enjoyed this video. Nice to see and hear the stack at the end.
I'm a big fan of Sulzer engines, superior to MAN & MAK in my opinion.
I’m currently an engine cadet at CMA, awesome video! Learned about these in class but I didn’t think were any were still kicking!
@@jdp..1716 Thanks for watching. I graduated deck from A&M in 18'. If you spend any time on an ROS ship you're likely to see one. The chief on here could remember when the engines had big coil springs to close the exhaust valves. Good luck at the academy.
The engine room is a soothing place. No radio or microwave signals. Producing a calming effect. Like being deep in a cave.
At this time it was also a very comfortable temperature! Thanks for watching.
9:31 can see the fuel pump blocks. i remember taking a Sulzer class many years ago and learned how to carry out fuel pump timing on a single-cylinder RND simulator. When the opportunity came to do it in the "real world", it wasn't so nice, cool, or clean. lol
Classic school vs reality. Gets you every time. Thanks for watching!
@@FixAndForgetever see one of those blocks crack and jet spray fuel? it's a butt puckering event.
@@timp.9582 I can only imagine. I've heard the stories of it and the poisoning from fuel getting in the blood stream.
Gives a whole new meaning to ,,let's do an oil and filter change..
Haha true. Thanks for watching!
Il motore principale é un diesel 2 tempi a lavaggio trasversale. Non ha nessuna valvola in testa. Il pistone ha il mantello molto lungo proprio perché apre e chiude le luci di ammissione e scarico,un autentico motore 2 tempi. Fantastico pezzo di storia, tutto meccanico. 😊😊😊👏👏👏
Thank you for the explanation! I didn't know that about this engine.
so that's an "antique" eh . it's a few months older than me . thanks , man :-)
Thanks for watching!
@@FixAndForget I'm 6 years older than this thing!
@@pon2oon I am also an "antique vehicle" according to my state regulations. Thanks for watching!
It reminds me of my very first ship, MV Rosie D, built by Namura Shipbuilding of Japan. 7RND68 Mitsubishi Sulzer 11,550 bhp at 150 rpm IIRC. Yanmar gen-sets. That ship was built to a much cheaper specification than this vessel, but it was still very well built and all the machinery was sturdy.
From my experience Japanese built vessels are of very good quality. As I get older I find myself liking their products more and more. Thanks for watching!
@@FixAndForget In the 80's I worked on a vessel made by Hyundai Heavy Industries of Ulsan South Korea. The quality assurance, build and fit quality from the yard was appalling, loose gaskets in the fuel system, swarf and welding debris in air systems. The main engine and gen-sets were perfect, but they weren't built in that shipyard, just installed there. HHI improved very quickly after that, but still well short of the Japanese yards.
Today I work power stations, and one of our plants uses 240 MW Mitsubishi gas turbines and I can still recognise the conservative over-engineering that I first saw in that Mitsubishi Sulzer engine all those years ago.
Ships were built to last back then as well mate, these days, 15 years is getting long in the tooth.@@FixAndForget
@@marvindebot3264 That is a fact. Thanks for watching
Lean & green, quite the machine 👏🏼
now put that big 2 stroke on a skateboard
Power plant diesel engines cruise ships
Cruise ships usually have medium speed diesel-electric plants.
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At 5:13 we're looking at a spare piston skirt if I'm not mistaken. Nice Video!
That's correct. Thanks for watching!
Looks like the ECR has been retrofitted in recent times, didn't have flat screens or those controls back in the day. Shame as it was great fun with the old manual controls seeing who could use the least air per start 😊
That's really funny. Certainly a test of a good engineer. The ship is kept up quite well and should have many more years of life. Thanks for watching!
Ha! Yes indeed!
How about a 1934 built Berminster & Wane double acting top and bottom exhaust pistons lay shaft driven roots blower that had been given some rough treatment during WW II. This was my first ship in 1956 as a junior engineer and introduced me to scavenge fires and big hammer maintenance and all on marine gas oil!
MWD.
That's really cool Mike, I had no idea B&W made such a thing. I've worked on a few WWII vintage Clevelands but nothing huge. I saw my first double acting engine last weekend at a steam show. It was a natural gas "Snow" engine of 400 horse. Very cool. Thanks for watching!
Google “Doxford Type”engine there’s a video of a Burmeister and Wain 2 stroke with exhaust pistons.
Sailed on this type back in the 1970s
@@sandyjack1901 I will most certainly do that. Thanks for watching!
Amazing machinery ❤
Thank you sir! Check out my other videos for some other engine rooms.
I probably could work in that engine room within a few days of orientation. I worked with that engine and tools. One small remark about this engine: it is not completely valveless. There are banks of valve boxes (plate valves) between the scavenge air box and the cylinder intake manifold.
At first I had a nice fuzzy nostalgia feeling until I remembered the absolute horror of the re-occurring cleaning of that air box and those valves. We had to save fuel and therefore had to run that engine too slow. In combination with the very dirty fuel we had to clean the scavenger air box and those valves every few weeks. It was horrible.
And we were slow: one time we did 5 weeks from LA to South Korea. No more fresh vegetables, the last days we had only rice, canned green beans and home grown bean sprouts (Taugé). He had enough for the crossing, but after the crossing we had to go at anchor at a place we could not see the shore. No customs, no supply and not allowed to go ashore. It took a couple of days before we were allowed to anchor in the river delta and every thing became normal again.
I greatly sympathize with you on the long trips, lack of fresh food and scav box cleanings. Were these engines prone to air box fires. Thanks for watching sir!
I remember while in port working on those rotary exhaust valves. An enginner got his foot caught in that link while the engine was being turned. Can't remember the result but it wouldn't have been good.
My first vessel wayback 1996 was powered by Hitachi sulzer RND model
Very long lived engines. Thanks for watching!
I was on a real Antique. 1939 Tug all DC. Diesel electric drive. Had 4 V12 supercharged 2 cycle diesels.
I've worked on a few 40s build ships with Cleveland, FM and steam turbine propulsion. Absolute joy to work with. Current ship is 4 big EMDs.
Did Not know DAIHATSU made ship engines, we were on a ship named PACAFIC NOMAD, being used as a dive boat in FIJI in 1990 it had a HYUNDAI Diesel engine, with air start, I looked it up, found it’s just rusting away, tied up somewhere in FIJI, CApt APATE, was a really nice man, I used to go to the wheelhouse nightly with crew drinking KAVA, NICE CREW,🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I didn't either. Thanks for watching and sharing, I'll have to look up Hyundai marine engines now. Cheers!
Well kept. Tight ship
@@paullindberg9230 Thanks for watching!
Daihatsu Engines are crap though. They don't have Marks punched into the Crank Webs for measuring Crankshaft Deflection. Instead, you have to place the Dial Gauge manually according to the Coordinates given in the Manual, and hope that it won't move when turning the Crankshaft to the next Position. You just can't geht reliable Measurements that Way.
That sounds horrible!!
I do have a experience with 6RND76/MV LIMESTONE II (Ex. KCL Bardu).
Very good reliable engines. Thanks for watching
10:13 does that electric fan run to get it started since it’s like a 2 stroke or can it scavenge enough to get it started?
You are exactly right, the fans run until the engine is commanded past slow ahead/astern RPM. Thanks for watching!
Thanks, this ship is still in service?
Hi Mike, this one is kept in reserve and exercised usually once a year. It can be underway in 5 days notice. Thanks for watching!
@@FixAndForget Thanks
Ok cool.... Thats not running, but nice to see a close up... Where is the main engine..? Chief Makoi would kick your ass.. !! 😂 Thanks for the clip anyway 😊
It is the main engine lol. Not sure if I understand the question. I wish I could have filmed this one running but maybe one day. Check out my other videos for some runners. I haven't seen much Chief Makoi but he certainly has WAY more time on his hands than we do. Filming videos like that on here would require some sort of controlled substance. Thanks for watching man!
Forgot something: the usual way to store a spare turbocharger rotor on a ship is to suspend it vertically, thus preventing it from bending by its own weight.
Jan thanks for sharing! You are absolutely correct. I snapped a few pictures of the rotor when we craned it on, it ended up going back onto the #2 SSDG.
@@FixAndForget Once a marine engineer, always a marine engineer👍
You can get another 20 years from this beauty easily. Don't send it to Pakistan yet.
Thanks for watching! No worries, her and her sister will be safe from the breakers for quite some time.
Titanic nuclearship engine cylinder engineering room
I am a bit confused by the picture of the upper deck of the ship. It looks enormous but has not the layout of an ocean going vessel. Is it a ship build for the Great Lakes?
Built for ocean service for Ned Lloyd in the 70's now government owned. Ro-Ro cargo below decks and container cargo on deck. Thanks for watching!
Witch one is this the Old Nedlloyd Rosario or the Nedlloyd Rouen i saild both of them good ships only very noisy in the accomodation If she was a long side in the harbor and the ramp was down! On the Nedlloyd Rosario i was on board when she sailed between Europe - North America en the Nedlloyd Rouen on the New sealand - Asia route.
This was the Rouen. You have an excellent memory, I'm not sure if I would remember some of my old ships just from the engine room. Thanks for watching!
@@FixAndForget O Yes, all of them
What kinds of this ship? How many deadweighttonnes?
I don't remember the DWT but it's an old Ned-Lloyd con ro ship. Thanks for watching
Watched with
Digifunk music on loop :))))
Thanks for watching!
The RND 90 Sulzer was not valveless. On the turbocharger side of the engine there was a rotory plate valve for the exhaust. I remember working undoing the water cooling pipes under the valve unit. A swine of a job. 2 spanners with different offsets to get any turn no the water unions.Ugh.
@@michaeleast216 Thanks for the info! Sounds like a bad time, few other folks have shared that these engines were not fun to maintain.
What vessel is this?
Old con-ro ship now government owned and in Reserves. Thanks for watching!
@@FixAndForget looks like an ol' Cape ship...probably a "K", "V" or a "T" class ?
@@timp.9582 You have an excellent memory. K class Cape ship.
@@FixAndForgetwalked around some of them, never worked them. im an ol' tanker mutt.
Thanks 👍
Sulzer rta
8RND90M. I believe this is the loop scavenged predecessor to the RTA but I'm no expert. Let me know this Saturday when it finishes posting!
@@FixAndForget rnd Jesus that’s a old lump
If it wasn't owned by the gov it would have been cut up long ago.
@@FixAndForget proper old school engineering on these things you treat them nice or they bite you on the ass in a big way.
@@hughjarse4627 absolutely
Antique? 😂😢
Fits the definition
Reed valves....
I had figured these were like other slow speed diesels and had a big single exhaust valve per cylinder. Apparently not. Thanks for watching!
@@FixAndForget B&W engines do, Sulzer engines did not
@@alfamontydog figures all the ships I had worked on previously were Sulzer. Thanks for the info sir!