A woman is an adult Female, and her sex is determined at birth. I find it disturbing that some people want to live in a society where biological reality is ignored.
@Pale Rider Yes. I think @Hairy John is perhaps using the incorrect word here. Perhaps by "determined" he means observed and recorded as in a decision based on observation. But in this context, chromosomes are the sex determination mechanisms for which sex developmental pathway the foetus will go down.
If trans women were really women, sharing our experiences, they would understand the possible dangers of letting biological men into women's spaces and respect that.
Isn't it the very reason "trans-women" give for not going into mens changerooms, toilets, gym locker rms etc? Biological women are no threat to their physical saftey
If men can take drugs for life to be "trans-women" then drugs should also have to be given that simulate periods and period pain, menopause etc. Putting on make-up does not make those men anything but sad specimens of their sex.
I'm apalled by the fact that some women today, will bend backwards, and not defend women's right, but instead, will defend MEN who are calling themselves women. WTH is wrong with these people ???
The problem is the actually see them as women. They identify as women and live like a woman. But It’s just a person with a disorder changing their lifestyle and appearance to fit with the notion of a woman. When you hear them say they live as a woman. Well what is living as a woman to them? Because they don’t know what it is to be a woman it’s just their male perception. I don’t get why they have to bend backwards for men and prioritize them over women. I find it astonishing.
We've never been allowed the discussion that is required. Why should we accept trans women as being women in the first place? This is the big question that should have been addressed, but never has.
Amy has been manipulated by the male entitlement of trans activism that believes women should be compliant and tow the line. Jo will simply not go along with it and I admire her honesty.
@@soot.2146Amy should have been told to 'shut up' as a child. These gob spouters are dangerous. The majority of women are seething with the likes of luvie Amy.
i agree , as long as women keep out of mens clubs . Women are the fairer sex , to be revered as mothers and lovers , and leaders . Yep keep the equilibrium , im with you all the way .
The things that bond us Women like pregnancy, giving birth, breast feeding and being a mother become subjects we can no longer talk about once a trans woman is involved as it feels wrong to talk about these things. Even the more terrifying parts of being a woman, like the fact that we a smaller and weaker than men and that men try to dominate many of us. Our menstrual cycle, menopause…the list goes on but yeah …aghhh how infuriating!!
Although I agree with you on the whole, by your argument you are leaving out women who can't have or don't want children. Having children is only one aspect of being a woman. I don't have children but am 100% woman.
@@aversivespiderok. And if you’re butthurt then you can excuse yourself from a womens conversation about having children, and come back in for the period and menopause part. 🤷🏼♀️What do you want? Our capacity to produce children is the main source of our oppression throughout time and space and we WILL be talking about it whenever we please and whether self righteous childless women like yourself like it or not.
@@aversivespiderwe all go through menopause. A man in a dress came and sat with a group of us at a club I'm in where we were discussing menopause. He said "I'm one of those lucky women who won't go through that". Someone asked him why, given that it's a natural event that all women will experience. He got angry and left.
A man in a dress is a transvestite. Even if a man has the most extreme medicalisation and surgery he remains a male. Your sex is decided at conception and you can’t change it, only your appearance.
Do they not realise that the majority of these so-called trans women are men with mental health issues and se-xu-al pe-rver-sions, there's probably about 2% that are "genuine" so to speak, its a proven fact, but no-one has the minerals to say it , lest they be cancelled 🤐
@@psychospartanchick7701 its awful , they were born men so they are men .They just keep trying too push the boundary's , as usual . I support Women , stand up against this bullshit .
Exactly. And now in some states into the US women can no longer have abortions. So if one of those women were to be raped and preyed upon, she cannot have an abortion. Where is the safety? If you are not even going to give us choice over our own bodies, at the very least protect our spaces.
Delusional 👍 ... that's the key word, its a mental health issue not a biological one, you only have to see how highly triggered and unstable they are to know its true
@@adrenalinejunkie3828 In reality this actually breaks the constitution. So long as you familiarise yourself even vaguely with your inalienable rights its not a crime. Alas most are SO IGNORANT of even that they let the state literally walk all over them.
Very arrogant for any man to assume that they know how an actual woman feels. There is zero way we could ever know how a woman thinks, feels or behaves on a daily basis. We are totally different to each other.
I can illustrate this: I occasionally ask my wife "what's the matter", and when she says "nothing", I assume that's the truth, and don't pursue this line of enquiry any further. Do you know what? It turns out, that there is, in fact, something the matter, and despite her verbal answer, she expects me to somehow know that this is the case! I honestly have no idea what goes on in a woman's mind, so how could I possibly become one?
And when you see how these trans people portray themselves as women, they prove that they have no idea about how women think or feel. Most of them dress like archetypal prostitutes and act in in the most foolish and insulting manner - witness the Mulvaney man.
It frowned upon for little boys to dress up as cowboys and Indians ( ranchers and native Americans)....but they can dress as girls and it's encouraged ? Am I the only one whose confused?
The want to normalize woman face for several reasons but primarily because transgenderisim is very profitable, any person would be hooked for life to pharma… is all about $$$ disguised as “compassion”
Please.. somebody buy Amy a science or medical book as she seems to think A wish or belief can transform biology! And she thinks that sex is assigned a birth? More like its seen at birth. And 100% when a Trans Woman goes to see their Doctor they are treated as though they have male biology. It makes a difference!
Ah, but wait until the new textbooks of "science" and "medicine" come out! ....Indeed, it sounded like Amy was already invoking "science and medicine" -- that approved by the ruling elites. For Amy and her ilk, "science" is what scientists (government-approved ones, to be sure) SAY it is. It's not something based on empirical evidence or logical reasoning.
oh dear oh dear ..yet again ,women don't know what they want...too muddle headed...you fought tooth and nail to be allowed in mens clubs and destroyed them in the process..now it's biting you on your fat arses ..A CUP OF KARMA ANYONE??????
Yes, exactly, a man in a dress is not a woman ! They're ladyboys, but usually less convincing than the ones in Thailand. And in india, the Hijra are called "third sex", apparently. No one pretends they're women.
Time for change of leadership to the WI …..TRANS WOMEN ARE MEN! … men in women’s prison? Men in women’s and YOUNG GIRLS toilets? We currently live in A very nefarious time … This is a band wagon just ready and ripe to be JUMPED ON!!!!….. The honour, Protection and quite frankly Loyalty to WOMEN and WOMEN ONLY SPACES, must be adhered to….❤
My cat fetches balls along with my dog. Am I now supposed to pretend my cat is a dog when it’s clearly a cat because some of her behaviours are similar to my dog? Ridiculous.
It`s the behaviour that bothers me . If you go into a community or culture for the first time it is normal to go quietly ,observe what is expected and what is not and to take time to see how you can change yourself to fit in .Many transgender women don`t realise this and being aggressive and pushy is a male characteristic .So what does that make them?
@@bobbobbly7900 are women elbowing their way into the men’s only pool in Hampstead Heath? Are they demanding access into men’s ‘Shed Clubs’, or how about men’s prostrate cancer groups? No, because women did not want to remove men from associating with one another. Women wanted fair and equal access to amenities such as pubs and sports clubs to play sport.
@@bobbobbly7900 What are you talking about? Like strip clubs? Men bring their girlfriends into these clubs all the time. I didn't see any woman shove her way into a club, when I worked in several.
@@bobbobbly7900my men’s spaces you mean women being allowed to participate in society at all? Yeah that’s what I thought. Society isn’t strictly a ‘man’s place’ when both sexes pay taxes. Foh with that $hit. All this ‘karma’ talk about women deserving being assaulted and r@ped by the men self identifying into their spaces is because you think women and little girls deserve payback for gaining full rights as human beings as men have always enjoyed.
Surprise to say but BBC wrote a good article either last year or the year before about how sex based rights were being undermined and females were being manipulated into “lesbian” relationships in the way Jo mentioned.
Isn't it funny that feminists and women having been telling men that there is no difference and that a woman can do anything a man does. You have made it illegal for men to have their own spaces and now that men are invading your spaces it is a problem. Maybe if women hadn't been demonizing men for the last 50 years we would not be walking away or trying to act like women for the benefit of female privilege.
@@JupiterThunder NO THEY DON’T! What about a trans woman in male spaces? Why should men have to be confronted by a man with a plastic penis or a heavily impregnated abdomen in a changing room or public toilet? I remember a very old and historic mens golf club in St.Andrews having to open its doors to a bunch of moaning women golfers, on the grounds of sexual discrimination back in the late 90’s or earlier 00’s. Then I remember some club being created just for women but that was alright, no men allowed. A bit like how the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts have had to allow girls into their associations, yet no boys are allowed to join the Brownies or the Girl Guides. It’s hard to ignore the blatant hypocrisy and double standards of the female species. Spoiled brats and children come to mind. It’s clear that they know men are superior, why else do they always want what men have but only the best parts? How about white women getting back to reproductive activities they were created for before we become extinct?
its the testosterone factor that makes men more violent and more violent towards women, during 2020 worldwide 98% of murders where carried out by biological men 79% of which were women, precisely why men must be kept out of womens spaces
Can you imagine a stick-thin person joining weightwatchers, or a lifelong teetotaller joining Alcoholics Anonymous? If you don't match the criteria for joining an organisation, the organisation should be allowed to deny you entry without fear of consequences.
I want to add that the WI in the UK has been responsible for campaigns that have changed the law such as the litter laws and more recently single-use plastics. It is a powerful organisation and why shouldn't biological women own it.
I love the argument of "what is a woman?" Answer: an adult human female. Trans women have never been and can never be adult human females. They have had plastic surgery to allow them to "resemble" women, if even that. Some have said they were, without any modifications. If men identified themselves as toasters it doesn't make it so. If they want to make a women's club both sexes that's up the members and to provides spaces for the men. But they cannot allow trans women into these spaces. It's setting a dangerous precedent.
I think over 80% do not have surgery or hormones, they're basically men with a fetish. We used to call them transvestites but they've been lumped in with the tiny minority of people who have gender dysphoria for some reason.
Yes, but employing logic is just white male mansplaining!! (And, if you are a woman-of-color employing logic, then you are the black, feminine face of white male supremacism!!!)
Wow we’re still debating this utterly ridiculous question and giving a platform to unwell and dangerous individuals who don’t respect anything and are bringing the country down to its knees. While we’re on our knees we should pray because this is demonic behaviour and it’s very dangerous and disturbing 😳
@@andrewnelson3681 I’m not going to lie.. I’m really worried about this. I confronted my local hospital about the rainbow flags and trans flags in the cardiology department and to my amazement a week later on my second appointment they were all gone because I complained. Stand up to this or it’ll never go away and only get worse.
*'The Woman's Institute'* has always been understood to be *'The Biological Woman's Institute',* no one ever needed to point that out because it was so naturally obvious... until things got really strange and biological men *demanded* to be called _"women"._
If transwomen are women, why are they called transwomen instead of just women? The fact is they are men, as was quite rightly said. "Identifying" as an elephant and wearing an elephant suit does not make me an elephant. Nor can I wear blackface and identify as a Nigerian.
Sadly. They are changing the definition of woman. There is mass funding behind this. If they take away trans then these men are just women. That's the goal. Erase women and sexual reality.
@@lauralee6628 No! That said, the majority of male transvestites express AGP rather than GD, female transvestites don't express AGP. The risk to women prisioners is huge, its almost non existent risk to male prisioners
@@lauralee6628 are there any female to male criminals in prison? It seems that even when men 'transisition' to women they can't help themselves commit serious crimes that get them custodial sentences. Or is it that many of the men claiming to be trans are faking it ?
(re: men pretending to be women's inclusion in the WI) Amy 'We should leave it up to the women's institute, it's not up for debate', Emma 'I would like to leave it up to the women's institute but it seems the members are not getting a say'. Lol... Back of the net Emma!
The thing being some of them probably would. Who was that awful trans identifying man who played he piano on the TV stage with his Willy ? and the number of posts online that go around by trans identifying males who delight in ejaculating in women’s toilet cubicles and wiping their Willy on the door lock and such. They get off on this stuff, so sick.
I wonder if all women just stopped going where they are letting men in if that business or company would last very long?? Would Thomas still be the women's swimming champ if he had no one to compete against?? It's a shame that is for sure, but unless women stand together this will get worse.
Yes…that would go a long way towards showing how strongly woman feel about the ‘trans’ attempt to hi jack their hard won female sporting history and achievements…👍
Woman on left should be in a different type of institute, one with many psychiatrists available to help her back to reality. Not one of those people she mentioned is an adult human female, they are all delusional adult human males. The Women's Institute is no longer for women but rather for men with 'feelings'. Well done to Jo for standing firm with reality.
Surely the key thing in this whole debate is the preference and rights of biological females as it's they who are potentially having their private spaces occupied. My guess (but it’s a guess based on extensive experience) would be that the vast majority of women (ie with cervix) wouldn’t want biological men in their private spaces, regardless of whether these men self-identify as “women”, and even if they have fully transitioned through physical/chemical castration. Put it this way: if I were a young mum taking her pre-teen child to the public swimming pool, would I want biological men (regardless of their trans status) sharing the changing rooms with me? Answer: no. This does *not* mean I’m “anti-trans”; it means I am pro-protecting safe spaces for biological women. I don’t care how you self-identify, just as long as your chosen identity doesn’t adversely affect *my* life. The analogy would be with organised religion: I’m agnostic. Believe in and worship what you want, but when this unfavourably impinges on *my* life, that’s when my hackles are raised. Religion should be a private matter and not pervade the public sphere and potentially adversely affect the lives of others. With trans people, they can do what they want within the law, express themselves how they want, call themselves what they want (and I will honour this), but if the majority of biological females don’t want them actually physically invading their private spaces, this wish should be honoured in practice.
The real key is knowing that there is no debate at all within science. Men cannot become women and vice versa. Humans can't rewrite their genes. And no, you can't have a female brain in a male body or vice versa either. Not biologically possible.
I agree with most of what you said except the bit at the end on only honoring the wishes of the "majority" of real women on this issue. That avenue leaves this debate open to whatever the current political whims are, with women constantly in the crosshairs of that divide. Women's spaces need to be thoroughly protected and remain solely women's spaces. If there are women who don't mind (or want to for whatever reason) sharing spaces with trans women, then there needs to be another option available for those people, a third bathroom that's non-gender specific, or whatever. But designated women's spaces, whether bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons, crisis centers, support groups, whatever, need to remain solely women's spaces. Real women. Period. Men in dresses can find or create their own, and the women who want to be with them/support them can join them in those spaces.
next, you can pretend to be a 6 year old girl and get admission into primary school. please don't call this a stupid statement. we have already crossed the stupid a long time ago with all this shit going on.
We have men's clubs here in Australia and I don't know why or what they do - I just know each state has one and it a government payed for thing. I would like to see trans men try to get in there. Why are trans men not in this get into the other sex areas phenomenon right now? Why are trans men not trying to get into the changerooms and jails etc? I know why but why?
The unsaid feeling of most sensible women, and it is something that is at an almost primordial level is that when women come across a strange man in an enclosed space is "How dangerous is this man and am I at risk?" There is that moment of 'flight' that kicks in and definite uneasiness... It seems that 'trans' turn up in changing rooms when there is only 1 female in there.. This to me, and probably every other women, smacks of 'predatory behaviour.. Before all this 'transgender crap" got a foothold, these guys would have been your local 'peeping tom". Here's another point to consider. When men and women were asked what they feared most about their opposite sex, the males response was - that they will laugh at us. The females response was - that they will kill us"..... BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING LAUGHED AT AND BEING KILLED...
Absolutely agree. I just watched a video short of a "trans woman" threatening to shoot any real women (or real men, I'm sure) who try to keep a trans woman out of the women's bathroom and advising all trans people to arm themselves to attack real women. They are dangerous and mentally ill and women need to be protected from them, especially in our private spaces. In addition to the peeping tom thing... I have found it laughably absurd that law enforcement in the US still criminalizes men exposing themselves in public, yet a "trans woman" can go into a women's locker room and not only expose himself to all the real women and young girls in the room, but also sit and stare at them while they change, and if a real woman complains about this violation of privacy, SHE is the one told to leave and get over it. The hypocrisy and absurdity apparently knows no bounds.
Paris Lees , India Willoughby,Shon Faye - all MEN ,Amy . Shon Faye said he was looking forward to the erasure of women. These men hate women - that's what the whole "trans" movement is all about.
What we have here is people with penises saying to people with vaginas "You do not have the right to spaces where there are only vaginas. We will FORCE you to be around penises at all times, and if you try to create a space where there are only vaginas then we will invade that space, because we have penises and what we want matters more than what you want". This is a deeply deeply misogynistic movement.
The meaning they've attached to it is non-sensical. Only women live as women, and women are adult female humans. This gender bender movement really has a problem using clear language, but I think that's deliberate.
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 certainley all ppl live differently. Women share sex based similarities as do men which they cannot share with the opposite sex.
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 , only a woman can 'live as a woman' by definition. Males can never live as women, even if they put on make-up, even if they put on heels, even if they head tilt and flick their hair. ONLY women can live as women. It's called logic and it's simple logic at that. By the cult's reasoning I must be able to 'live as a trans woman'.
Those who are pro gender ideology argue out of both sides of their mouths. They chant, "Trans women are women!". However, once presented with actual scenarios, it's well there are some issues that must be dealt with on a case by case basis. I know of no scenario or circumstance where I'm not a woman.
Amy mistakenly believes herself to be progressive, when she is actually an authoritarian oppressor of women. She's just another run of the mill misogynist.
I think the issue surely here is that we don't discriminate between on the one hand, the (tiny) percentage of people who have gone through years of emotional and physical pain and anguish, surgery, chemical and hormonal treatments to transition (i.e. genuine trans-sexuals) versus the new phenomenon of the (large) number of lunatic men who think they are women just because they have "decided to identify as one" (i.e. perverts). Cancel me, I don't give a f**k.
I am really shocked that women are defending men (trans), when they are exploiting women. This has been going on for centuries. Men dominating and telling women what to do.
A woman is an adult Female, and her sex is determined at birth. I find it disturbing that some people want to live in a society where biological reality is ignored.
@Pale Rider Yes. I think @Hairy John is perhaps using the incorrect word here. Perhaps by "determined" he means observed and recorded as in a decision based on observation. But in this context, chromosomes are the sex determination mechanisms for which sex developmental pathway the foetus will go down.
We need more real men like you ❤
In my sixty plus years I never realised you can have male genitalia but in this world you’re now a woman phew weird to say the least
@@michaelstanwick9690 💯
It's visible already in the 4th or 5th month of pregnancy already, and when nothing is visible, it's usually a girl 🤩
Amy 'Its absolutely farcical you can call them men'.
So glad the other women laughed at that. 'Of course they are men' Jo states simply.
If trans women were really women, sharing our experiences, they would understand the possible dangers of letting biological men into women's spaces and respect that.
Isn't it the very reason "trans-women" give for not going into mens changerooms, toilets, gym locker rms etc?
Biological women are no threat to their physical saftey
Exactly, well said👍
Amen!!!!!
If men can take drugs for life to be "trans-women" then drugs should also have to be given that simulate periods and period pain, menopause etc. Putting on make-up does not make those men anything but sad specimens of their sex.
Spot on ,by their aggression and menacing behaviour they are scaring off real women who can sense the dander they represent
I'm apalled by the fact that some women today, will bend backwards, and not defend women's right, but instead, will defend MEN who are calling themselves women.
WTH is wrong with these people ???
pick mes
Internalized misogyny is a thing.
I guess people is just dumb
The problem is the actually see them as women. They identify as women and live like a woman. But It’s just a person with a disorder changing their lifestyle and appearance to fit with the notion of a woman. When you hear them say they live as a woman. Well what is living as a woman to them? Because they don’t know what it is to be a woman it’s just their male perception. I don’t get why they have to bend backwards for men and prioritize them over women. I find it astonishing.
It's called currying favour
I'm not joining any organisation which can't tell the difference between a bloke in a frock and a woman.
Exactly it’s a worry isn’t it
yeah i`m a guy and i could just turn around and say i`m trans just to get in , in which i`m not trans
We've never been allowed the discussion that is required.
Why should we accept trans women as being women in the first place? This is the big question that should have been addressed, but never has.
Trans women are men. That's why they are called trans. XY NOT XX
A trans child is a lot like a vegan cat: we all know who’s making the decisions, and it’s not the cat.
Great way of putting it. You can see who finds mermaids which have inputted into school education. Follow the money and see where it leads 👀
Put a bloke in a dress, he's still a bloke...
If I wore a gorilla costume it doesn’t make me a real gorilla ..
or Scottish.
@@roaming.spectre. well it wouldn't make you smarter if that's what you mean
@@arcadealchemist how do you know how smart I am, I don’t accept trans . There I said it, it’s called a free world. Male or female . The end.
These nonces dressing as women preaching to school kids, absolute filth
Well done, Jo. This is utter madness.
Thank you, Jo! Of COURSE THEY ARE MEN!!!! Tell it like it is.
Amy has been manipulated by the male entitlement of trans activism that believes women should be compliant and tow the line. Jo will simply not go along with it and I admire her honesty.
I heard that Amy Nichol argues with herself when she looks in the mirror,bless.
@@soot.2146Amy should have been told to 'shut up' as a child. These gob spouters are dangerous. The majority of women are seething with the likes of luvie Amy.
Amy is a horrible leftie
Keep men out of women's safe spaces .FULL STOP .It's not rocket science. 😶
That implies all men are unsafe.
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 stupid 😑
i agree , as long as women keep out of mens clubs .
Women are the fairer sex , to be revered as mothers and lovers , and leaders .
Yep keep the equilibrium , im with you all the way .
Women are people, to be respected as human beings.
Now now. EQUALITY.
Jo Bartosch with the absolute best response to the nonsense spouted by Amy: derisive laughter.
They are MEN. End of story and argument.
The things that bond us Women like pregnancy, giving birth, breast feeding and being a mother become subjects we can no longer talk about once a trans woman is involved as it feels wrong to talk about these things. Even the more terrifying parts of being a woman, like the fact that we a smaller and weaker than men and that men try to dominate many of us. Our menstrual cycle, menopause…the list goes on but yeah …aghhh how infuriating!!
Exactly. The TW are just there to break up women’s connection with other women. It’s pure male dominance of the highest order.
Although I agree with you on the whole, by your argument you are leaving out women who can't have or don't want children. Having children is only one aspect of being a woman. I don't have children but am 100% woman.
@@aversivespiderok. And if you’re butthurt then you can excuse yourself from a womens conversation about having children, and come back in for the period and menopause part. 🤷🏼♀️What do you want? Our capacity to produce children is the main source of our oppression throughout time and space and we WILL be talking about it whenever we please and whether self righteous childless women like yourself like it or not.
@@aversivespiderwe all go through menopause. A man in a dress came and sat with a group of us at a club I'm in where we were discussing menopause. He said "I'm one of those lucky women who won't go through that". Someone asked him why, given that it's a natural event that all women will experience. He got angry and left.
A man in a dress is not a woman
No man is a woman,
Autogynephile : A man has a fantasy of being a female.
@@kay2kin92 Yep. It’s a fetish.
@@moraymac2922 Agree.
A man in a dress is a transvestite. Even if a man has the most extreme medicalisation and surgery he remains a male. Your sex is decided at conception and you can’t change it, only your appearance.
I've just joined the WI but if men, calling themselves women start coming to my group, I shall leave, because it's a mockery.
Wearing a dress and makeup doesn't make you a Women Amy.
That's a good thing because otherwise most women wouldn't be women.
And it never will.
Well, can't the guy just go back to the doctor who attended his birth and get him to re-assign him as a "her"?!?
Simples!
A Women??
Blonde girl completely owned😂😂😂
Her face when the other woman bought out the lesbian card was priceless 😂😂
She didn't see that coming
Giving women's spaces and women's rights to MEN then telling us to shut up and get over it. The unbelievable audacity of these people.
I so agree like wtf. Get these men out of our places.
Do they not realise that the majority of these so-called trans women are men with mental health issues and se-xu-al pe-rver-sions, there's probably about 2% that are "genuine" so to speak, its a proven fact, but no-one has the minerals to say it , lest they be cancelled 🤐
@@psychospartanchick7701 its awful ,
they were born men so they are men .They just keep trying too push the boundary's , as usual .
I support Women , stand up against this bullshit .
Men
Exactly. And now in some states into the US women can no longer have abortions. So if one of those women were to be raped and preyed upon, she cannot have an abortion.
Where is the safety? If you are not even going to give us choice over our own bodies, at the very least protect our spaces.
Pretending a man is actually a woman is delusional.
Delusional 👍 ... that's the key word, its a mental health issue not a biological one, you only have to see how highly triggered and unstable they are to know its true
Delusional and dangerous.
@@adrenalinejunkie3828 WHAT ????🤯
So glad I live in Switzerland 😝
@@adrenalinejunkie3828 In reality this actually breaks the constitution. So long as you familiarise yourself even vaguely with your inalienable rights its not a crime. Alas most are SO IGNORANT of even that they let the state literally walk all over them.
Just gone down to my local station to report the OP's hate speech. Choppers were whirring into action as I was leaving.
We need to work on being a society that protects its women and children.
We used to have that. It was very imperfect, and lots of people had less than perfect lives. That’s what we had under the terrible “patriarchy”
Very arrogant for any man to assume that they know how an actual woman feels. There is zero way we could ever know how a woman thinks, feels or behaves on a daily basis. We are totally different to each other.
I can illustrate this: I occasionally ask my wife "what's the matter", and when she says "nothing", I assume that's the truth, and don't pursue this line of enquiry any further. Do you know what? It turns out, that there is, in fact, something the matter, and despite her verbal answer, she expects me to somehow know that this is the case! I honestly have no idea what goes on in a woman's mind, so how could I possibly become one?
Very arrogant of any person to "assume" that they know how anyone feels.
I believe it’s a very real illusion and romanized version of what it’s actually like to be the opposite sex.
I know how women feel after having two of them take me to the cleaners!
And when you see how these trans people portray themselves as women, they prove that they have no idea about how women think or feel. Most of them dress like archetypal prostitutes and act in in the most foolish and insulting manner - witness the Mulvaney man.
Finally they have kept Amy at home with her crayons for her own safety.
She’s an absolute plonker.
SHOULD females who identify as male be placed in male prisons ???
@@lauralee6628 no female prisons because there a female.
@@lauralee6628
They're female so no
@@lauralee6628 I am sure they don´t want there
Why is womanface any less offensive than blackface
It frowned upon for little boys to dress up as cowboys and Indians ( ranchers and native Americans)....but they can dress as girls and it's encouraged ?
Am I the only one whose confused?
I keep saying the same thing. Keep saying it ladies, say it over and over everywhere you can. IT IS WOMAN-FACE AND IT IS OFFENSIVE!
correct adam!!!!
Adam Gray. U'r an absolute genius of the highest order.
The want to normalize woman face for several reasons but primarily because transgenderisim is very profitable, any person would be hooked for life to pharma… is all about $$$ disguised as “compassion”
Please.. somebody buy Amy a science or medical book as she seems to think A wish or belief can transform biology! And she thinks that sex is assigned a birth? More like its seen at birth. And 100% when a Trans Woman goes to see their Doctor they are treated as though they have male biology. It makes a difference!
SHOULD females who identify as male be placed in male prisons ???
She's a coward scared to say the truth
Ah, but wait until the new textbooks of "science" and "medicine" come out! ....Indeed, it sounded like Amy was already invoking "science and medicine" -- that approved by the ruling elites. For Amy and her ilk, "science" is what scientists (government-approved ones, to be sure) SAY it is. It's not something based on empirical evidence or logical reasoning.
It would help if you refer to them as trans men.Can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig.
To allow men into a ‘woman only’ club or organisation, etc…is criminal. Amy is 💯WRONG!
Why do we have 'woman only' organisations?
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 What if some women want to form a menopause support group? Men do not experience this. Just one example.
oh dear oh dear ..yet again ,women don't know what they want...too muddle headed...you fought tooth and nail to be allowed in mens clubs and destroyed them in the process..now it's biting you on your fat arses ..A CUP OF KARMA ANYONE??????
SHOULD females who identify as male be placed in male prisons ???
Yes, exactly, a man in a dress is not a woman ! They're ladyboys, but usually less convincing than the ones in Thailand. And in india, the Hijra are called "third sex", apparently. No one pretends they're women.
If Amy Nickel is the prime example of university education then our education system is fecked
Yes the education system is fucked
They are not women.
Time for change of leadership to the WI …..TRANS WOMEN ARE MEN! … men in women’s prison? Men in women’s and YOUNG GIRLS toilets? We currently live in A very nefarious time … This is a band wagon just ready and ripe to be JUMPED ON!!!!….. The honour, Protection and quite frankly Loyalty to WOMEN and WOMEN ONLY SPACES, must be adhered to….❤
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Absolutely, these people are very delusional. 👍
She thinks that pretending to be something is the same as being that thing. It's like arguing with a toddler.
My cat fetches balls along with my dog. Am I now supposed to pretend my cat is a dog when it’s clearly a cat because some of her behaviours are similar to my dog? Ridiculous.
According to this woman your cat is "living as a dog"
It`s the behaviour that bothers me .
If you go into a community or culture for the first time it is normal to go quietly ,observe what is expected and what is not and to take time to see how you can change yourself to fit in
.Many transgender women don`t realise this and being aggressive and pushy is a male characteristic
.So what does that make them?
W=Woman. Born female.
Well said , it’s up to your cat to decide what it wishes to be and then you must act accordingly 😂🤣😂funny
A trans-cat
"If you're going to call trans women men we're not going to agree on anything", so be it Amy.
"The point is they are men and if you introduce them into a women's only group, then it is mixed". Absolutely!
and when women elbowed their way by legal means into men's clubs?????????????????
@@bobbobbly7900 Then it's mixed. Same applies.
@@bobbobbly7900 are women elbowing their way into the men’s only pool in Hampstead Heath? Are they demanding access into men’s ‘Shed Clubs’, or how about men’s prostrate cancer groups? No, because women did not want to remove men from associating with one another. Women wanted fair and equal access to amenities such as pubs and sports clubs to play sport.
@@bobbobbly7900 What are you talking about? Like strip clubs? Men bring their girlfriends into these clubs all the time. I didn't see any woman shove her way into a club, when I worked in several.
@@bobbobbly7900my men’s spaces you mean women being allowed to participate in society at all? Yeah that’s what I thought. Society isn’t strictly a ‘man’s place’ when both sexes pay taxes. Foh with that $hit. All this ‘karma’ talk about women deserving being assaulted and r@ped by the men self identifying into their spaces is because you think women and little girls deserve payback for gaining full rights as human beings as men have always enjoyed.
Surprise to say but BBC wrote a good article either last year or the year before about how sex based rights were being undermined and females were being manipulated into “lesbian” relationships in the way Jo mentioned.
Absolutely infuriating that they’re allowing men in. Being a woman isn’t how you feel. It’s who you are. Something a man could never be.
Isn't it funny that feminists and women having been telling men that there is no difference and that a woman can do anything a man does. You have made it illegal for men to have their own spaces and now that men are invading your spaces it is a problem. Maybe if women hadn't been demonizing men for the last 50 years we would not be walking away or trying to act like women for the benefit of female privilege.
@@JupiterThunder just like the scouts were forced to include girls.
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NO THEY DON’T!
What about a trans woman in male spaces? Why should men have to be confronted by a man with a plastic penis or a heavily impregnated abdomen in a changing room or public toilet?
I remember a very old and historic mens golf club in St.Andrews having to open its doors to a bunch of moaning women golfers, on the grounds of sexual discrimination back in the late 90’s or earlier 00’s. Then I remember some club being created just for women but that was alright, no men allowed.
A bit like how the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts have had to allow girls into their associations, yet no boys are allowed to join the Brownies or the Girl Guides.
It’s hard to ignore the blatant hypocrisy and double standards of the female species. Spoiled brats and children come to mind. It’s clear that they know men are superior, why else do they always want what men have but only the best parts?
How about white women getting back to reproductive activities they were created for before we become extinct?
its the testosterone factor that makes men more violent and more violent towards women, during 2020 worldwide 98% of murders where carried out by biological men 79% of which were women, precisely why men must be kept out of womens spaces
@@calvinstrom8862 yes, that was idiotic also
I like this Jo Bartosch woman. She’s down to earth and knows when to laugh at the absurdity.
Can you imagine a stick-thin person joining weightwatchers, or a lifelong teetotaller joining Alcoholics Anonymous? If you don't match the criteria for joining an organisation, the organisation should be allowed to deny you entry without fear of consequences.
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The world has gone mad if intelligent individuals are even having this discussion. I believe men and woman's spaces should remain so.
I want to add that the WI in the UK has been responsible for campaigns that have changed the law such as the litter laws and more recently single-use plastics. It is a powerful organisation and why shouldn't biological women own it.
Amy is just completely outmatched intellectually here.
Not hard.
@@errin-mp1zy Agreed. You can’t argue with stupid.
It is just about common sense.😅
This week's handmaid award goes to Amy Nickell
I love the argument of "what is a woman?" Answer: an adult human female. Trans women have never been and can never be adult human females. They have had plastic surgery to allow them to "resemble" women, if even that. Some have said they were, without any modifications. If men identified themselves as toasters it doesn't make it so. If they want to make a women's club both sexes that's up the members and to provides spaces for the men. But they cannot allow trans women into these spaces. It's setting a dangerous precedent.
I think over 80% do not have surgery or hormones, they're basically men with a fetish. We used to call them transvestites but they've been lumped in with the tiny minority of people who have gender dysphoria for some reason.
Yes, but employing logic is just white male mansplaining!!
(And, if you are a woman-of-color employing logic, then you are the black, feminine face of white male supremacism!!!)
Woman = born with XX chromosomes. It's just that easy!
this is incorrect. Male and female are separate from gender. sex is a biological thing, where as gender is a social construct
@@oskarroxstrom1349 that's your take and certainly not an absolute truth..... just your perspective (which I'm not buying. )
“To claim trans women are men” ? This is not a claim rather a statement of fact !
End this madness once and for all. It cannot continue in a sane society.
It shows how murky society is really becoming sadly
It really tells how easily manipulated humans can be… why is this even a conversation? How come some women are accepting this absurd?
Wow we’re still debating this utterly ridiculous question and giving a platform to unwell and dangerous individuals who don’t respect anything and are bringing the country down to its knees. While we’re on our knees we should pray because this is demonic behaviour and it’s very dangerous and disturbing 😳
And it’s enshrined in British law. That’s the really scary part.
@@andrewnelson3681 I’m not going to lie.. I’m really worried about this. I confronted my local hospital about the rainbow flags and trans flags in the cardiology department and to my amazement a week later on my second appointment they were all gone because I complained. Stand up to this or it’ll never go away and only get worse.
*'The Woman's Institute'* has always been understood to be *'The Biological Woman's Institute',* no one ever needed to point that out because it was so naturally obvious... until things got really strange and biological men *demanded* to be called _"women"._
If transwomen are women, why are they called transwomen instead of just women? The fact is they are men, as was quite rightly said. "Identifying" as an elephant and wearing an elephant suit does not make me an elephant. Nor can I wear blackface and identify as a Nigerian.
Sadly. They are changing the definition of woman. There is mass funding behind this. If they take away trans then these men are just women. That's the goal. Erase women and sexual reality.
cant trans people start their own trans only places?? whats the issue with that??
Precisely 👍
Amen
They need the validation of others, because it`s a self esteem and mental problem
They need external validation.
Not enough of them who live in close proximity to one another - 0.5% of society, apparently. Women: 52%. So few for so much discord.
If someone can genuinely lie to themselves and call a man a woman, then all the evils of the world become possible
Cosplay is more important than biological reality?
It`s all about `My feelings`
SHOULD females who identify as male be placed in male prisons ???
@@lauralee6628 No! That said, the majority of male transvestites express AGP rather than GD, female transvestites don't express AGP. The risk to women prisioners is huge, its almost non existent risk to male prisioners
@@lauralee6628 are there any female to male criminals in prison? It seems that even when men 'transisition' to women they can't help themselves commit serious crimes that get them custodial sentences. Or is it that many of the men claiming to be trans are faking it ?
Keep fighting ladies.
"It's not that I'm worried they'll wave their willies in the jam... the point is, they are men"
(re: men pretending to be women's inclusion in the WI)
Amy 'We should leave it up to the women's institute, it's not up for debate',
Emma 'I would like to leave it up to the women's institute but it seems the members are not getting a say'. Lol... Back of the net Emma!
'Wave their willies in the jam....'
That girl is glorious. 😂
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The thing being some of them probably would. Who was that awful trans identifying man who played he piano on the TV stage with his Willy ? and the number of posts online that go around by trans identifying males who delight in ejaculating in women’s toilet cubicles and wiping their Willy on the door lock and such. They get off on this stuff, so sick.
I’m crushed, I really looked forward to joining the WI once I retired and now I never will because it’s now the men and women’s institute.
Who wants ‘progression’ when it simply avoids the truth?
This ideology is anything but progressive, it is completely authoritarian.
It doesn't have to be. This gender delusion is not where progression should be going.
More women shod be standing against this and standing up again for womens writes
So wonderful that womanhood has been reduced to a label anyone can use and a costume anyone can toss on at anytime.
I wonder if all women just stopped going where they are letting men in if that business or company would last very long?? Would Thomas still be the women's swimming champ if he had no one to compete against?? It's a shame that is for sure, but unless women stand together this will get worse.
Yes…that would go a long way towards showing how strongly woman feel about the ‘trans’ attempt to hi jack their hard won female sporting history and achievements…👍
Woman on left should be in a different type of institute, one with many psychiatrists available to help her back to reality. Not one of those people she mentioned is an adult human female, they are all delusional adult human males. The Women's Institute is no longer for women but rather for men with 'feelings'. Well done to Jo for standing firm with reality.
Amy nickel is absolutely bonkers,a woman is an adult human female,a trans woman is a man,its really simple amy
Why didn't Amy discuss same sex relationships. Oh wait a minute because she can't. Lesbians and gay men are the battering ram here. Ffs
How do you know they are "living" as a women? All someone has to do is say they are a women and thats enough. Bonkers.
You cannot live as a woman if you are a man.
Science??? The law??? So, if 'science' and 'the law' suddenly decide that the sky is now green and not blue, would it be true? 🤦♂
Since 2010 the amount of transpeople has exploded, so comparing it to the 1970's isn't so accurate.
propaganda works so well on the imbeciles ,doesn't it??????
Well said Jo!
Surely the key thing in this whole debate is the preference and rights of biological females as it's they who are potentially having their private spaces occupied. My guess (but it’s a guess based on extensive experience) would be that the vast majority of women (ie with cervix) wouldn’t want biological men in their private spaces, regardless of whether these men self-identify as “women”, and even if they have fully transitioned through physical/chemical castration. Put it this way: if I were a young mum taking her pre-teen child to the public swimming pool, would I want biological men (regardless of their trans status) sharing the changing rooms with me? Answer: no. This does *not* mean I’m “anti-trans”; it means I am pro-protecting safe spaces for biological women. I don’t care how you self-identify, just as long as your chosen identity doesn’t adversely affect *my* life. The analogy would be with organised religion: I’m agnostic. Believe in and worship what you want, but when this unfavourably impinges on *my* life, that’s when my hackles are raised. Religion should be a private matter and not pervade the public sphere and potentially adversely affect the lives of others. With trans people, they can do what they want within the law, express themselves how they want, call themselves what they want (and I will honour this), but if the majority of biological females don’t want them actually physically invading their private spaces, this wish should be honoured in practice.
The real key is knowing that there is no debate at all within science. Men cannot become women and vice versa. Humans can't rewrite their genes.
And no, you can't have a female brain in a male body or vice versa either. Not biologically possible.
I agree with most of what you said except the bit at the end on only honoring the wishes of the "majority" of real women on this issue. That avenue leaves this debate open to whatever the current political whims are, with women constantly in the crosshairs of that divide. Women's spaces need to be thoroughly protected and remain solely women's spaces. If there are women who don't mind (or want to for whatever reason) sharing spaces with trans women, then there needs to be another option available for those people, a third bathroom that's non-gender specific, or whatever. But designated women's spaces, whether bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons, crisis centers, support groups, whatever, need to remain solely women's spaces. Real women. Period. Men in dresses can find or create their own, and the women who want to be with them/support them can join them in those spaces.
They should all quit the womens institute
next, you can pretend to be a 6 year old girl and get admission into primary school. please don't call this a stupid statement. we have already crossed the stupid a long time ago with all this shit going on.
There is currently a prisoner in the UK who identifies as A BABY, insists the prison warders change and feed him!
And they do!
@@gillcawthorn7572 They do!!! could not pay me enough to do that, I'd resign and be homeless first.
There is a man in Canada who lives as a 9 year old girl. He has been adopted by a family with children. How f*cked up is that
Women need to stand their ground. Demand that males be removed from female spaces. Quit in protest and sue.
We have men's clubs here in Australia and I don't know why or what they do - I just know each state has one and it a government payed for thing. I would like to see trans men try to get in there. Why are trans men not in this get into the other sex areas phenomenon right now? Why are trans men not trying to get into the changerooms and jails etc? I know why but why?
it's illegal in new zealand to have ''men only'' clubs. feminists saw to that by legal means..HURTS WHEN THE BOOTS ON THE OTHER FOOT????????
because they're women.
@@bobbobbly7900 oh bugger off blobby
They are not women!
You are what you are born as
My guess is membership of the WI will drop dramatically because of this.
The unsaid feeling of most sensible women, and it is something that is at an almost primordial level is that when women come across a strange man in an enclosed space is "How dangerous is this man and am I at risk?" There is that moment of 'flight' that kicks in and definite uneasiness... It seems that 'trans' turn up in changing rooms when there is only 1 female in there.. This to me, and probably every other women, smacks of 'predatory behaviour.. Before all this 'transgender crap" got a foothold, these guys would have been your local 'peeping tom". Here's another point to consider. When men and women were asked what they feared most about their opposite sex, the males response was - that they will laugh at us. The females response was - that they will kill us"..... BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING LAUGHED AT AND BEING KILLED...
I don't care if they laugh at me, I'm far more fearful of women who don't know how to make me a good sammich.
Absolutely agree. I just watched a video short of a "trans woman" threatening to shoot any real women (or real men, I'm sure) who try to keep a trans woman out of the women's bathroom and advising all trans people to arm themselves to attack real women. They are dangerous and mentally ill and women need to be protected from them, especially in our private spaces.
In addition to the peeping tom thing... I have found it laughably absurd that law enforcement in the US still criminalizes men exposing themselves in public, yet a "trans woman" can go into a women's locker room and not only expose himself to all the real women and young girls in the room, but also sit and stare at them while they change, and if a real woman complains about this violation of privacy, SHE is the one told to leave and get over it. The hypocrisy and absurdity apparently knows no bounds.
'I'm not worried they're going to wave their willys in the jam'
Brilliant xx
Good on you ladies .keep it up and tell em to F### off ..
Paris Lees , India Willoughby,Shon Faye - all MEN ,Amy . Shon Faye said he was looking forward to the erasure of women. These men hate women - that's what the whole "trans" movement is all about.
Amy is on another planet.
And not just on this issue. I’ve yet to agree with any of her positions. Maybe only one, if I recall?
What we have here is people with penises saying to people with vaginas "You do not have the right to spaces where there are only vaginas. We will FORCE you to be around penises at all times, and if you try to create a space where there are only vaginas then we will invade that space, because we have penises and what we want matters more than what you want". This is a deeply deeply misogynistic movement.
Absolutely Correct description of what is happening 👏👏
I am stunned that intelligent people would call men women. Trans women are men.
Why WI members haven't boycott WI is mind boggling.. Trans men are not women. Do something for goodness sake..
The WI should define the term 'living as a woman'.
The meaning they've attached to it is non-sensical. Only women live as women, and women are adult female humans. This gender bender movement really has a problem using clear language, but I think that's deliberate.
Don't all women live differently?
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 certainley all ppl live differently. Women share sex based similarities as do men which they cannot share with the opposite sex.
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 , only a woman can 'live as a woman' by definition. Males can never live as women, even if they put on make-up, even if they put on heels, even if they head tilt and flick their hair. ONLY women can live as women. It's called logic and it's simple logic at that. By the cult's reasoning I must be able to 'live as a trans woman'.
w$nking to sissy hypno
The question should be, why do these men want to be with women all the time
There male. Defeats the purpose of the Women's institute.
Of course they're men!!
Those who are pro gender ideology argue out of both sides of their mouths. They chant, "Trans women are women!". However, once presented with actual scenarios, it's well there are some issues that must be dealt with on a case by case basis. I know of no scenario or circumstance where I'm not a woman.
Could only happen in the soft UK.. women are seriously being undermined..
Her argument that recognising biological reality is not 'progressive', reveals a profound silliness, and a shallow desire to accept fashionable ideas.
Even when those ideas are extrordinarily retro
Amy mistakenly believes herself to be progressive, when she is actually an authoritarian oppressor of women. She's just another run of the mill misogynist.
Yes Jo you are absolutely correct, it's biology not feeling. 👏👏👏👏
First wave feminists had the right answer. To defend themselves effectively and to force the law to improve rather than surrendering to mistreatment.
Second wave were the same. They are the older ladies you see at meetings about this. Women are treated like garbage by politicians.
Delia Morris
I find it strange that an article about men being stupidly being accepted as women, is opened by the presenter welcoming the two ladies as "guys". 😊
I hope I live to see the reckoning.
I think the issue surely here is that we don't discriminate between on the one hand, the (tiny) percentage of people who have gone through years of emotional and physical pain and anguish, surgery, chemical and hormonal treatments to transition (i.e. genuine trans-sexuals) versus the new phenomenon of the (large) number of lunatic men who think they are women just because they have "decided to identify as one" (i.e. perverts).
Cancel me, I don't give a f**k.
Good on you Jo 👍😆
love the woman on the right need more like her
‘Welcoming to all women?’ except for one problem Amy, they are not women!
I am really shocked that women are defending men (trans), when they are exploiting women. This has been going on for centuries. Men dominating and telling women what to do.
Jo is spot on, no question about it, she is just right, the end
Women's groups are for women, not for anyone "living as a woman". I was a zombie for halloween; does that mean I should live in a graveyard?