Princeton University Glee Club Attempts Oktavism
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ธ.ค. 2018
- Watch us try and fail to sing low B flats ahead of our concert with legendary oktavists Glenn Miller (US), Vladimir Miller (Russia), and Adrian Peacock (UK).
Glee Club Presents: Out of the Deep
Sunday, December 9, 3pm - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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I love that everyone chooses to walk down the minor scale. Just feels right for singing low bass
Well I think that they are trying to sing the end of the Rachmaninoff piece we hear at the end.
Yep, precisely. This is the fifth piece in Rachmaninoff's Vespers, known in English as "Now Let Thy Servant Depart" for quick reference.
A few years ago, it went niche-viral as the "Rachmaninoff Challenge" mainly because it's not only a difficult thing to sing, but the breath support at a somber tempo is also very difficult at best. Rachmaninoff was a brilliant composer, but much like JS Bach, he didn't always provide singers with many convenient places to breathe in his choral works.
If you want an even juicier minor key Oktavist slide that goes even deeper to the legendary G1, have a go at Chesnokov's Cherubic Hymn: th-cam.com/video/pD4wyKOAd0w/w-d-xo.html.
To be an oktavist either,
A. Be old
B. Have Acid Reflux
C. Do both and make the ground you walk on vibrate
I’ve got b down, and well on my way to being a too
Or be a giant
The acid reflux I’ve had since birth only made it hard to hit high notes without crying. My vocal range is so limited it’s annoying
I didn’t get a low B flat until around 40.
im 14, have acid reflux, and can do an Ab chest note no problem
The tenor had one of the best low ranges tbh
Izaak Thoms tenors for some reason have better chest-fry ranges than most baritones and natural basses have. By Baritone i mean low F to a low E and for bass i mean even down to a Low C.
@@1kalb noticed a similar thing with soprano, quite often have a strong chest voice
@Steven Criscione I am 14 and I ended up singing a B1 in the morning and I freaked out my family
@Steven Criscione No
Yeah I’m a tenor and I can sing lower than my friend who’s a baritone. The only problem is that anything lower Bb2 or A2 is all vocal fry. I’ve just recently discovered who to make it louder and more prominent. My baritone friends chest voice can hit an F2 while I have to do that in vocal fry
Glenn Miller is absolutely out of human limits.
then you never heard michail zlatopolski. he was the loudest most powerfull oktavist ever lived
@Steven Criscione awesome. iif you feel vibrations at your feet while you are singing youre loud enough!
@Steven Criscione awesome. and yes you will be powerfull enough i think if you continue singing and no loss on your practising
@Steven Criscione btw do you have facebook?
Watch Alpaslan durmuş 😂
"Studies philosophy, Kant sing B flat"
lmao
@@Robin-ij6ks Doch! Kant = Can't = Can not
Immanuel Kant, der Philosoph
The oktavists are able to PROJECT this note. Amazing!!
Thats what an Oktavist is.. It isnt about hitting the note, it is whether or not you can project it.
This entire comments section is people ripping into the singers and bragging about their own abilities, cut it out no one cares
@@Rynbur Nothing against my G-69🥴
@@FernyBass lmaoooo
Bruh those “basses” are baritones for sure
finding a true bass is rather difficult. I am in the low basses section in my univeristy choir even though I cant even D2
@@alelaera13 damn, really? I'm a Bass 2 in my high school choir and most of us have at least a C2
@@julianpottermusic I find that hard to believe. I have had many telling me they could reach incredibly low or high notes, most of the times they were wrong. our perception of low notes is sometimes not very precise: we think we are singing a low note but instead we sing an overtone and it just seems like its lower. I am not questioning your ear but the fact that so many people can hit a C2. We dont even have arrangements where that note is required apart from one.
@@alelaera13 oh trust me I would know a subharmonic, but for sure I've got a C2 most everyday, sometimes a B. But I actually am working on my subharmonics anyways :)
@@julianpottermusic I was a "bass 3" in my high school choir. There was a piece we did, forgot the name
But the bass 2's lowest note in the song was an E2
And the very last note was a long, mezzo Forte D2 and only myself and one other could hold it
The lowest note of that gentleman was normally about C2
Mine was usually a bit lower but I don't know many guys who can even hit C2, even in the numerous choirs I've seen/heard
Let alone the first octave.
theo is probably the only student that hit the note
Yeah, let's get Theo in to our Discord!
Yeah, pretty good at that age...When i was in 7th grade I meet one 15yo deep bass...man it was crazy
And Ilia
@@airaidxd940 nah he used fry
@@GeorgeLifterMannYou have discord for basses?
Try it hung over from whisky early in the morning. That does the trick.
Jens is right. Vomit is a magical elixir for ultra low bass. It’s filled with vitamins, minerals and bile for that magical, outlaw-biker-over-40 sound women love!
Was hung over before singing at my schools graduation, hit a low A. Normal low is a D flat.
J.D Sumner used to do it
COVID works as well. A head full of sinus congestion yields amazing resonance.
2:28 That's good bass.
Yeah
I already can hit that note as I am a verified oktavist at age 15
Señor Maestro mine legit stays around B1 so not bad
That is bass??
@@matthewpalm4756 verified oktavist? Clown 😂
Ah yes, get the sopranos to attempt oktavism
Guarantee I could get your entire bass section hitting that Bb.... and lower 😉
David Larson heyy, fry singer)
i know id find you here
For tho. You could
ABSOLUTELY. I LEARNED FROM YOU.
Sub harmonics time
Had a voice teacher once that said when he was in music school they only had barritones that pretended to be basses no legit basses. That's what watching this video reminded me of
That's the case most of the time. If you are a bass nowadays, as a teenager without musical experience, you think singing high is the only skill and give up because you can't sing high. Apart from that, basses are rare, as we know. Closest I ever got to a bass was me and ny best friend barely touching 1st octave, sounding terrible at it, we're only low baritones XD
Most male choir singers are baritones pretending to be either tenors or basses. Baritone is simply the most common male voice by far.
been in a couple church choirs and the bass section is usually baritones doing the "bass" part lol. I think we should replace bass 1 with baritone (keep it at or above A2) and bring the bass 2 down to Bb1 or so. that way we're not using baritones to sing F2
@@THEzTROLLlz A baritone should have at least a decent F2.
@@taatanka "Should" is one thing, gotta work with the guys you have, though.
With all the fresh comments it's clear youtube picked this one up to be a recommended. For all the people saying they can do it, first off congrats it's always a blessing to see more strong low bass singers. That being said, there's a difference between hitting the notes with strength in chest register and hitting them clumsily with fry.
This difference comes from where you make the sound and the sound's overall resonance. All the students heard here are using their fry registers which comes off as shaky and unsupported, whereas the professional oktavists have a stronger stable resonance in their sound. This is more easily heard in Miller but is equally present in Peacock.
A Bb1 is not an easy note for most to hit, and even less easy to project as well as can be heard. If you're inclined towards a deep voice, it is entirely possible to train and strengthen your lower registers through consistent practice hitting what you can in a supported chest register (tilting your head back is a way I've been taught to focus on the laryngeal muscles) and making sure you get *plenty of good rest* (seriously the rest thing matters so much. as of right now a good nights sleep is the difference between a Bb1 and a G#1 for me) and breaks from singing. It takes time, but when you can hit those notes, come back here and let us know to inspire others :)
Edit: I should also add that range is only one part of a bass's repertoire. It's very likely you have a rich voice with good resonance if you're a bass. you have the power to make people listen and love your sound, so work on your tonality, your showmanship, and ultimately being a singer who isn't fixated on the lows, but rather the message you can send through song
@Frabbachino I could not have said it better myself
Doesn't take much to hit the low notes, but takes a while to make them strong.
As a basso profundo, this is probably one of the most frustrating comment sections I’ve seen in a while. So many of these kids dont know the difference between a real basso profundo and a fry tone. Ive worked for a long time on my voice and just reached college. Its paid off.if you’re a real bass, the time of the day shouldn’t affect your actual range.
@@patrickv.3979 Sorry, let me stop you right there.If your lowest is a D2, you're no basso profondo. A basso profondo should have a strong Bb1,to be heard easily in choral settings.
Apologies for the incorrect comment. I've grown a bit since then, and realized the error of my ideas.
Just the shear volume these guys can put out is mindblowing.
I swear, Glenn Miller's low notes flowed like butter. They were just sooooo clean. And then after that Bb he just gives an even lower F in that low range
that F 1 was chest note!
Not subharmonics
@@Marcell0Bass my mistake
@@DavidKrautscheid lol no
Allison is the most soprano soprano to ever soprano
The A1 rumble sounds more like an F1 rumble to my keyboard.
It is an F1
I think they meant "a rumble" using "a" as an article, not the note
@@derronmendel9650 probably, since they said "has a low g"
Funny that the tenor in the group was the only one that touched even C2. 🤣
Honestly, the girl at 0:26 did a really good job. (Better than some of the "basses")
PS vocal fry is a totally valid technique for notes this low. Its just quite difficult to get a discernible/steady pitch. (one singer's two cents)
No that was pure vocal fry, that kind of vocal fry isn’t that good without better volume
@@Tacoman542 At least she did hit the actual note, and audibly
@@livrowland171 she was very impressive just to watch her mouth movements, i could tell she was very skilled at what she was doing.
That basses were tenori corti
Those "basses" are baritones, a lot of the time the distinction doesn't matter in choir because you don't have them singing this low. It's just funny though seeing them realize they are not a bass.
Ive never been more disappointed in hearing these basses range
They are not too good in the singing for sure!!
Pd: sorry my bad eng
@@13_cmi, yeah Bb1 is actually quite deep. Projected loudly, maybe 1% of the male population can do it.
@@13_cmi
as someone with the note- it is in fact that deep. if you don’t sing and don’t have a deep voice you’re probably using fry to get there or harmonizing and thinking you’re hitting the note
@@thomasoneill4386 talking about the “basses”. And no I don’t sing with fry because It’s too much work just to sing in a shower.
Because they are undeveloped tenors
It's so satisfying after hearing a whole bunch of fails and then finally getting that clean low Bb1
0.30 - hits high b flat, a forth above the high f of the Queen of the Night. Love it.
Wrong Bb, the actual one is 5 octaves lower
@@ashleythorpe7933 That wasn't my point. :)
@@aworysse Ahaha yeah he didn't get it lol. She's a great soprano!
0:26 yes she hit the key at least even if it was without power
I’m a tenor and I’m really close to being able to rumble it. That end clip sounded amazing!
The closest person that wasn't Glenn, Vladamir, or Adrian was Theo, his note wasn't chest thought.
Yeah Theo sang a Db2 with chest, I’m sure as he ages he will easily hit a Bb1
The only actual bass in this video is Theo and the two oktavists, and of course Glenn Miller
Agreed
Kant sing a B flat. Lol
When there's a bass who can hardly sing an F2 1:12, and a tenor starts lower than him and goes down to C#2 before losing it at 2:15
They clearly just labeled basses and baritones as basses. Also that tenor has a good range.
TheComedyne I’m a tenor that can go down to at A1 is that a problem
I'm an oktavist that's 15, age doesn't have much to do with it
TheComedyne maybe thats why in choir no baritones and mezzo soprano, only basso, tenor, alto, soprano
@@Tiki242 yes cause a tenor can't hit it..
1:10 hmmmmm a bass that can’t sing F2
Yes man, i mean, ussualy i can hit a good Eb2 every day, the F2 it's pretty easy for me to project, i don't know why he is consider a bass.
@@luscao8444 my guess is because Choral Bass roles are pretty easy to fill as a Baritone, with requirements that go to an A2, which isn’t as easy as it sounds to do over a choir. Also considering that notes down there are not easy to project.
@@FernyBass Yes, you're might be right!
@@luscao8444 Actually, this is pretty common, choirs put Baritones in the Bass section. My high school choir has three people that sing Bass, I’m the only one who dips into E2 when needed, tho there’s a pretty nice Low Baritone in the section that sometimes goes down too, but everyone else is Baritone. It’s pretty much common, unless they have someone who has access to a lower and warmer range, which is a bit rare to find in high school and some college choirs.
@@FernyBass Oooh, cool to know, thanks for the information man, and a what a responsibility to be the only bass actually haha
Wow, this must have been an amazing performance. I’m constantly disappointed I left the NY/NJ area when I see things like this!
One week ago i could easly hit that note, then i was not able to do it for days, but now i hit it again. My voice is changing.
cual es su nota mas grave? la mía Do 2 y la mas alta Sol#4. por las mañanas Sib 1
Ese es mi rango vocal también. En ocasiones puedo cantar un La1 en voz de pecho. Pero son pocas las veces que puedo darle el color adecuado y el cuerpo suficiente.
Same, sometimes I become Barry white and some other days, a normal dude.
When I was in college we sang an arrangement of "Shenandoah" by James Erb. There are a few low C# if I remember right and they were tough to hit. Only two of us in the choir could sing it without fry.
when glenn milliner showed up i was shocked
Allison -your soprano is divine
Glen Miller just let me know i should turn in my man card
My favorite part is when Peacock goes to the bII on the penultimate.
Thanks for making this!
Glenn is amazing!
I can hit it! Do I get a scholarship?
Joseph Tan FELT. 😭
bro gotta listen to you first
I have c1 chest fry
"Studies philosophy, Kant sing B flat" hahahahahahah excellent! xD
I quite liked this. Thanks!
The girl just hit Bb6. OMG
Yes she had a great coloratura high voice. I'm jealous as a contralto, I can't figure out how they get their voices to do that, lol. Must just have a naturally small larynx and light chords
@@livrowland171 oh no!! You are contralto be proud of it you are rare.... Also many women are soprano..... 😘😘😘
@@earlmanzor560 🙂
Piano guy was cute , and his reactions made him more cute
Agreed
@@antemahoney4376 gays
Some of these "Basses" were failing to produce a clear F2! I'm a 21 year old tenor and I can sing a better F2 than some of these guys, what the heck?
Range does not always determine vocal type. Vocal type is usually determined by tone/timbre.
@@dihydrogenmonoxide5994 Even their timbre was too light and soft in several of them. I've known a handful of true, natural bases and they not only had much darker, stronger timbers, but all could sing at least D2 in high school with good tone and support
The lowest note that a bass is required to sing in standard concert repertoire is an E2. In fact, I sang bass in high school and our music did not call for anything below F2. You seem to get the terms “Basso Profundo” and “Bass” confused. You are referring to what should actually be called “Basso Profundo” as Bass. A normal bass does not have to have an ultra-dark voice and sing below E2.
@@dihydrogenmonoxide5994 I'm talking about simply being able to phonate the note, not project ovet an orchestra. The guys I know are had power down to E2 or F2 but could sing at least D2 with a microphone like these people are. If they struggle on F2 with a mic, they probably can't project below A2 which is Lyric Baritone level even for young singers, and these people are well trained uni students
These folks are not using microphones.
Really cool that they can do this in chest. Lots of creds for that! Though lots of people can learn to do this by learning subharmonics.
0:32 weird flex but ok
She really just went up to flex haha
2:57 Saruman has risen
0:26 actually hit it even if it was without power
Glen Miller and basso profundo sooo❤️💪
Sooo im able to sing a nice sounding Bb1 (and a little lower some days) but i believe it’s in more of a chest fry mix, but like I said it sounds good and has some good depth and tone to it. I’ve been told I’m a “bass baritone” by a musical teacher I had during a musical recently, but my voice does get tired and cracks going any lower than an Eb2 in a pure “airy” voice. Any lower and I enter into this strong chest fry mix that sounds better than my pure “airy” chest notes.
I’d love to know why this is???
it began to remind me of the last section of Strauss's Alpine Symphony
GLENN MILLER HIT A FRICKEN F WHAT THE HELL
What is funny is that one bass where the caption said 'that's pretty whack' sung a very poor B natural in vocal fry whereas the only ones who came close were the tenor that is playing the piano in each scene and the bass composer (who actually hits it but with slightly shaky vocal fry)
That wasn't vocal fry at all. That was definitely a chest-fry, albeit a weak one. The tenor was definitely chest frying as well.
@@taatanka of course the Tenor is using chest-fry but also that Bass definitely used fry as it was to weak to have any chest involvement
@@antemahoney4376 That was way too strong to be just normal fry. Sounded much different too.
Feels nice being a young oktavist.
Wait who’s that director?? I had him as a director for a district choir festival and regional choir festival
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This is perfect
Interesting....... Don't forget, that Gustav Mahler symphony 2 and 8 call for THAT NOTE in the low bass choral part.
Had the Opportunity stand right in front of Mikhail Zlatapolsky in the late 80's at Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in Moscow while they were warming up. Let me just tell you. The sound coming out of that mans body was so intense, my whole body was reverberating and my eardrums were twitching. I have yet to ever hear anything like it. There was no mic's no nothing. And the clarity of those low notes he was hitting was just so clear and vibrant... As well as loud! lol.. He could project those low notes over the entire choir with ease.
Wow amazing i am a huge fan of zlat!! i wonder how strong his throat was vibrating and even his body/back when he was singing! it seems like a small earthquake was going on on his whole body
@DavidKrautscheid he had so much power behind those lows and he could sustain them for so long too. Truly a 1 in Billion phenomena!
@@JonHop1 no not one in 1 billion! 1 of 8000000000 phenomena! he was the most powerfull bass ever!!!
Imagine Avi among these guys, he certainly would have done really good, I'd like to see it, of course, I'm not saying he has the power of these oktavists.
at the end where everyone sings together it sounds like the Riyaz #46, Nov. 16, 1907.
Also sounds like Riyaz #36 if you switch to Raag Yaman.
I wish to have the privilege to preform with them!
I can recognize the Bb from do not reject me in my old age from anywhere
Please tell me someone recorded this! Where's the .mp3?
0:33 Wow! That's the B-flat above the usual soprano high C!
That's like as far out from the usual range as the octavists are out of range of normal basses!
Ppl in the comments :
"I'm 2 years old dude,and i can hit an A0"
Bass and Alto are often misunderstood. Here, most of the basses are baritones and all the alti are mezzo.
A real alto can hit a Bb2 and also lower. My gf hits a G2 sometimes and she is not even an alto.
But it is not only a question of range, but also of reasonnance. Only one of theses young basses have a real bass type of voice.
And to say, Bb1 is clearly a hard note to achieve. Took my years to be able to produce a solid oktavist note, and sometimes I can't manage to get it. It's about reasonnance and practice. I'm not even a real bass, just a baritone who worked a lot of his high and low notes.
I think you got Contralto and alto mixed up sweetie.
@@funnyfranz my dear, alto is short for contralto..
@@nikelodeon6852 There's a difference between the two
@@funnyfranz there isn't but ok...if there was you'd have said it by now
@@nikelodeon6852 Contraltos are much lower than actual altos, in the same way that countertenors are higher than regular tenors.
I could be wrong, but is this excerpt taken specifically from Rachmaninoff's Vespers? Whatever the choir was singing at the end sounded like it and I recognized it as soon as I heard it.
Yeah it is from All Night Vigil by Rachmaninoff
I'm just entering my teenage years and I'm already singing the low G just an octave up from the low G the oktavist sung.
Basses lower their voices over time (say from 18 to 38 there is a lot of difference in richness) so take it easy, do not hurt your voice.
Check the Ivanchenko (2017) recording of the All Night Vigil for some righteous oktavists (shout out to @The Oktavism Channel for the recommendation).
1:40 these guys can't be basses...
Baritones, fake basses
They are baritone at all but I think they group them to Bass 1.
Try the long low A at the end of Psalmus Hungaricus from Kodály (the Hungarian colleague of Bartók). You'll need quite a few oktavists to sing it over the Hungarian National Choir, for example.
I have a sore throat right now and this is pretty much the only note I can hit ^^
Long Live Profondo's!
What song is that? WHere can i find the sheet music for it?
>college kids
You're expecting young men in their 20s to sing like a church organ wait until they're at least in their 60s-70s 😂
Do anyone knows the name of the piano guy???? , please tell
i have ONLY sung that low b flat once in chest. but i cam do it in subharminics any day
ah ha ha ha! This was fun!
I'm 15 years old and the last time when I check my lowest is F1 but now when I check it's G1 because I'm lack of practice.
Ilia is amazing
It's funny for me to know that a half year ago i wasn't able to go lower than Eb2/D2, and now, i can do that if i'm in a good day xD
Did anyone hear the off-screen background pianist at 2:39 playing Patience? Someone loves the Lumineers :p
I think a few of the students might have hit it in kargyraa, if not in modal simple. OTOH, the one soprano has some excellent high notes.
Nope *fry*
Hey! Its pretty easy. For me a real basso profundo voice type in choir
Cool 😌
I would love to be an oktavist in this school. I'm 16 and I have a solid A1 lmao.
I've once hit that B right after waking up in the morning. Usually I'm limited to C or D.
Me too, wrong end of the body though
i have bass farts, where's my medal?
My absolute best was F2 when I had a cold, but I am baritone
Baritones generally stop between F2 to Ab2 whereas Basses are between C2-E2 and Oktavists are anything lower than C2
My lowest note is a strong E2, if I go down to D2 I have no power
In the morning or during a cold my lowest note is A1 and a "strong" C2
Unfortunately I'm 22 years old, my voice won't go down much more than that, I've never sung so maybe with training I can get down again
I think i'm a baritone too
@@federicomarzocchi8730 if your voice is more comfortable with the high notes of then you are a baritone if it's more comfortable with the lower notes then you can be also a bass-baritone
One does not simply walk into... BASS!
That's an Adam Neely reference, isn't it.
Being 18 and able to hit the low B flat, I think I have some potential.
Я так понимаю идея опроса этой гаммы вниз, у всех кто поёт в хоре, состояла в том, чтобы люди поняли КАК именно нужно слушать басов-профундо, когда они поют окончание к примеру "Ныне отпущаеши" Рахманинова. Только тогда сопрано, тенора, баритоны и средние басы не будут перекрывать собою действительно важное в этом отрезке музыки. Кстати, как по мне, так альты чаще вслушиваются в нижние мужские голоса...
Going low while maintaining resonance that's the tough part.
Imo, Its so rare to hear alto voice with "real" low voice. But Joanna and Ro just amaze me in 1:21. Love it
I wasn't very impressed TBH their voices are already very weak at an F... (the one above the bass one) I've heard sopranos who can go lower.
most choir altos are mezzos. In amateur highschool choirs most altos are sopranos who can't really sing. My mother is a mezzo and has a very easy F3 and a good C3 on any day.
I am a baritone but I can use subharmonic to reach that note.
Like everyone ;D
I can hit this... (Although not very controlled) Should I be worried?
Who am i if my lowest chest note every day A1-B1?
I'm 14