personal favorite: (2) 5 gallon buckets. 2 inch pvc fittings to connect the buckets together. you need two(2) pipes. 1 60mm water proof fan mounted to the mouth of one of the four 2 inch connectors. one bucket holds the fogger and nutrients and fan. the other holds the plants. it is INSANE how effective this is. to cool the nutrient basin you can put a 20oz frozen bottle of water in every 4-12hrs. if you are growing anything besides cabbage and lettuce, i strongly suggest a scrog.
p.s. you will have to either install and capture and reclamation method for the bucket that holds the plants, as the condensed vapor will collect and once the roots reach the bottom, and they will and rather rapidly, they start drowning.
I've been R&D fogponics for over a year it's the next generation. Use a bigger container ( HD has a commander plastic 27 gallon for $9.00) use a small fan to stir the mist it will also cool it down and ventilate.
+Alex Jones well Alex what I found its that since I only had less than a gallon of water it wasn't enough water. So I then added more water and the temperature was much better. The fogger create heat since its vibrating at high frequency so you would need more water to keep it cooler. And also have it on a timer. I wouldn't think that the air pump will make much of a difference with the temperature.
finally someone confirms my study! people who go into any detail on youtube have no idea about heat dispensation if it was not for a radar teak i would not be looking into this issue before investing.
Foam is not a sponge. Your error was using foam as a "side bracket" for the roots. The atomized mist is such fine particulates (1-5 microns) that they'll absorb into fine "cotton candy" roots. If you have foam around it, you're forcing the roots to grow towards the foam... If... The foam has any water. But what the roots really want, is direct atomized water mist contact. That direct water contact is absorbed because it's 1-5 microns. So keep your roots directly exposed! :-) Just like Aeroponics, with a 1ft distance using 360 degree nozzles, you mist the roots with sprinklers for 4-10 seconds, once every 30-60 minutes (depending on life-stage) If the roots are still TINY (less than 1" growth) than stick to a 4-5 second mist and 60 to 120 minute intervals. Let the mist air-dry the roots after... Same for fogponics, except fog takes longer to generate. So fog should be on for like 5 minutes, off for an hour or so.
you need a reasonable amount of root to begin with, if you dont have enough the plants cant connect with enough liquid and will wilt :) Growers generally try to fix this problem by overmisting (constant fogging), which just makes things worse. The overly dense fog condenses on the roots creating a film of liquid water (not conducive to producing efficient aeroponic roots that can utilise droplets) and restricts oxygen.The biggest issue with ultrasonics is the droplet size, its just too small. You can replicate ultrasonic issues in a high pressure aeroponic setup by mounting the nozzles low down so none of the larger droplets make it to the top of the root chamber, you`ll experience the same wilting and very slow weak root growth.
The humidity created by the Mist is enough no need for the actual fog to be touching the roots as long as you keep the system sealed and the humidity in
It makes sense. in my system, i didn't have the net pots sealed so I was losing the humidity and the roots looked a but dried to me that's why I decided to raise the water level to have to fog cover the roots and have a better result...
Are nutrients of any kind being used? Also for the volume your trying to push you should try lookin at a multiple head mister I’d say at least 3. A lot of fantastic info in this comment section though.
HAHA sure liquid to gas makes heat. no look at the power supply for ultrasonic foggers its a bit of watts. looking into people tare these things apart online i see that the devices is not power effect "all the power not used in ultrasonic motion leaves in the form of heat". so to fix the problem we can use a 35 qrt tub to keep it cool a deep large bed would be best for dissipating the heat.
Its not usually the internally generated heat thats the problem, its the external heat from the room, lighting etc. If you enjoy a challenge, you should try running high pressure aero outdoors in full sun ;)
Rex when i first start this little project I used it in a 5 gallon bucket with 1/2 gallon of water and had it sitting in the bottom of the bucket. what i realized was that the water was getting hot and the fog was reaching the top. So I then added 3 gallons of water to cool down the fogger and also help the fog get up higher/closer to the roots and it seem to work better in that way, but since it was a cheap ebay ultrasonic fogger it stop working after serval week of being on most of the day.
Yes I also found the commentary a touch rambling but I'm really impressed with the guys reply and him saying he would improve next time. One more thing, can the camera person try to show us what's being done? We could hear the drill but only see the face.
personal favorite: (2) 5 gallon buckets. 2 inch pvc fittings to connect the buckets together. you need two(2) pipes. 1 60mm water proof fan mounted to the mouth of one of the four 2 inch connectors. one bucket holds the fogger and nutrients and fan. the other holds the plants. it is INSANE how effective this is. to cool the nutrient basin you can put a 20oz frozen bottle of water in every 4-12hrs. if you are growing anything besides cabbage and lettuce, i strongly suggest a scrog.
p.s. you will have to either install and capture and reclamation method for the bucket that holds the plants, as the condensed vapor will collect and once the roots reach the bottom, and they will and rather rapidly, they start drowning.
p.s.s. that setup is vastly expandable, enjoy. and share because knowledge is free, credentials are paid for
+Randolph Buffington I will definitely look into this setup thanks a lot
I've been R&D fogponics for over a year it's the next generation. Use a bigger container ( HD has a commander plastic 27 gallon for $9.00) use a small fan to stir the mist it will also cool it down and ventilate.
Thanks a lot. Im going to look into it.
what if we aerate the water with an air pump...would it cool it down as well?
+Alex Jones well Alex what I found its that since I only had less than a gallon of water it wasn't enough water. So I then added more water and the temperature was much better. The fogger create heat since its vibrating at high frequency so you would need more water to keep it cooler. And also have it on a timer. I wouldn't think that the air pump will make much of a difference with the temperature.
finally someone confirms my study! people who go into any detail on youtube have no idea about heat dispensation if it was not for a radar teak i would not be looking into this issue before investing.
Foam is not a sponge. Your error was using foam as a "side bracket" for the roots. The atomized mist is such fine particulates (1-5 microns) that they'll absorb into fine "cotton candy" roots. If you have foam around it, you're forcing the roots to grow towards the foam... If... The foam has any water. But what the roots really want, is direct atomized water mist contact. That direct water contact is absorbed because it's 1-5 microns. So keep your roots directly exposed! :-) Just like Aeroponics, with a 1ft distance using 360 degree nozzles, you mist the roots with sprinklers for 4-10 seconds, once every 30-60 minutes (depending on life-stage) If the roots are still TINY (less than 1" growth) than stick to a 4-5 second mist and 60 to 120 minute intervals. Let the mist air-dry the roots after... Same for fogponics, except fog takes longer to generate. So fog should be on for like 5 minutes, off for an hour or so.
Know this was years ago but thanks for the tips no other video provided. Best of luck to ya mate!
They sell floaters now
try having a small fan blowing into the bucket. it will force the mist into the foam maybe?
Nah, you dont want mist in the foam. You want the atomized mist directly fed to the roots. Foam shouldn't interfere with water > roots.
you need a reasonable amount of root to begin with, if you dont have enough the plants cant connect with enough liquid and will wilt :) Growers generally try to fix this problem by overmisting (constant fogging), which just makes things worse. The overly dense fog condenses on the roots creating a film of liquid water (not conducive to producing efficient aeroponic roots that can utilise droplets) and restricts oxygen.The biggest issue with ultrasonics is the droplet size, its just too small. You can replicate ultrasonic issues in a high pressure aeroponic setup by mounting the nozzles low down so none of the larger droplets make it to the top of the root chamber, you`ll experience the same wilting and very slow weak root growth.
Atom izer good point. keep roots high enough to avoid heavy drops. props friend
Roots need the larger droplets, 1-5 microns is not large enough :)
the fog actually brings the body of water more to the ambient temp "like sweet", removing it will rais the local temp
Hello
Do the solutions dissolved in the water evaporate when Fogponic watering?
How to make liquid fertilization in Fogponic?
Thank you
Thought I was on yoga Chanel wid dat music
Dont have micronutrients?
I had the same problem. I might try it again after implementing a chiller.
That Cilantro is showing a Nitrogen deficiency...can't really get why you supplement calcium...
He said he used Calcium Nitrate not just calcium...Nitrate is nitrogen.
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Lol The mist does not need to go a high
Hello +Clownbow1 Can you elaborate more
The humidity created by the Mist is enough no need for the actual fog to be touching the roots as long as you keep the system sealed and the humidity in
It makes sense. in my system, i didn't have the net pots sealed so I was losing the humidity and the roots looked a but dried to me that's why I decided to raise the water level to have to fog cover the roots and have a better result...
Yeah the key to a fog system is to keep it sealed it will also help with water evaporation you will not need to replenish the water so often
I have the same mist maker.
How has it been working for you
Are nutrients of any kind being used? Also for the volume your trying to push you should try lookin at a multiple head mister I’d say at least 3. A lot of fantastic info in this comment section though.
yes, i was using nutrients in the water. I will definitely consider it. and yes there have been some great comments from you all Thanks.
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HAHA sure liquid to gas makes heat. no look at the power supply for ultrasonic foggers its a bit of watts. looking into people tare these things apart online i see that the devices is not power effect "all the power not used in ultrasonic motion leaves in the form of heat". so to fix the problem we can use a 35 qrt tub to keep it cool a deep large bed would be best for dissipating the heat.
You`ll find the warmest air will collect at the top of the chamber regardless of the depth ;)
True but 24 volt at 1 amp that's 24 watts. It's simple thermal disapation
Its not usually the internally generated heat thats the problem, its the external heat from the room, lighting etc. If you enjoy a challenge, you should try running high pressure aero outdoors in full sun ;)
Rex when i first start this little project I used it in a 5 gallon bucket with 1/2 gallon of water and had it sitting in the bottom of the bucket. what i realized was that the water was getting hot and the fog was reaching the top. So I then added 3 gallons of water to cool down the fogger and also help the fog get up higher/closer to the roots and it seem to work better in that way, but since it was a cheap ebay ultrasonic fogger it stop working after serval week of being on most of the day.
Do you think this would get roots on a 5 foot tower garden?
I got bored listening to your rambling commentary, more facts, more detail, less waffle.
thanks for the feed back. will improve in the future video
Yes I also found the commentary a touch rambling but I'm really impressed with the guys reply and him saying he would improve next time. One more thing, can the camera person try to show us what's being done? We could hear the drill but only see the face.