Why Run Trauma Pads? AR500 Armor
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Trauma pads are Non-Ballistic and offer no increase in ballistic protection. Designed to be worn in conjunction with and behind your body armor, our Trauma Pads reduce the amount of energy transfer to your body, reducing felt energy through your armor.
"Why do I need a trauma pad? The armour stops the bullet."
Yeah, but people dont die because they got penetrated by cars, they die from the impact. Bullets, when stopped by armour, turn into pure impact.
blunt force trauma
You dont have external bleeding thanks to the armor
Unfortunately you got hit with a shotgun slug and your ribs are broken,
SOOOOOOO you do have internal bleeding.
@@kenshy10 or you just see a bruise on your skin and you don't think of the bruise being 2-3 inches deep and impacting your lungs or heart.
Just say: "commotio cordis". They'll either understand immediately or think you're casting spells on them. Win-win.
So does wearing trauma pad and getting shot guarantee complete protection from blunt force trauma?
I love the quick like 15 frames of mumbling at the beginning. While some may see it as amateur, I like it because it adds a feeling of the person I'm listening to being real and not just a talking head.
Was it cut? What are you referring to?
@@nathanc.8821 It's there. 15 frames is literally a quarter of a second.
@@nathanc.8821"hey guys Tyler again with arfirrr armor", I believe that bit
I like the reverse back up siren going on. Getting that truck delivery 😎
Busted! 😆
Why do I need a trauma pad... Well son Do you want FUCKING BROKEN RIBS
What? Broken ribs helps you grow more hair on your chest. lol
My whole family is armored by your products, the only complaint I have is with their Phoenix back packs. On your video about the backpacks its shown to have Level 3 soft armor, and its sewn in its own compartment opposed to a single panel you just put inside the backpack. The video and the photos on your site shows how the soft armor cover the back of the backpack from top to bottom. But when my order came in the soft armor was sewed into its own pocket but does not protect from bottom to top, the armor inside is too small so it slides around. I bought them because both of my girl had CODE RED at their schools earlier this year. The back pack is shown to be a shield, worn on front of body, worn on the back. But you can never tell where the soft armor is going to be if it slides down to the bottom, then the most vital areas are not covered because the top 4 inches of the pack is unprotected. When we have to wear armor we make sure its worn correctly, and placed properly on our bodies. But with the back packs I received you can never tell where that life saving protection coverage is.
Thank you for all the support! If you are not happy please contact our customer service and they would be happy to help you or replace your item.
Yeah if the pad can slide around very much, that’s a little bit of a problem. However they do offer good protection where they cover. I bought the separate pad(s) so I could install them on my backpacks. They fit well and don’t move around. However even these don’t cover 100% of the backpack.
when you look at the cost of armor, the trauma pads are dirt cheap, so why wouldn't you run them. even though AR500 isn't exactly super expensive armor, still the trauma pads are dirt cheap. I think they were like $90 for a front and back pair. no big deal when you spending $400 or more for a good vest and plates.
if they would send peoples orders when they promise to I'm sure they would be king of the industry. The amount of complaints on every review site to include the BBB coupled with the deals they offer but can't deliver on I'm thinking they might be going out of business, or the govt is putting a lean on their orders to civilians. I mean we did just lose a few of our amendment rights. AR500 is for the govt, not the people.
@@twinstarmusicent7514 you want a perfect company and there’s no such things. This covid 🙄 so call pandemic is really an issue for companies that rely on transportation of material, etc.
CPhero82 dont promise what u cant deliver. Communicate when u cant deliver on time. Its called customer service.
@@twinstarmusicent7514 I mean I ordered my plates with a 4-6 week wait time and received them in less than 2 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Because a soft level 3a behind the plate is far more logical. Dumb video
bought mine three and a half weeks ago and it arrived three days ago! Spot on shipping calculations even regarding everything going on "these" days.
One thing I am not truly happy about is the outsourcing to Vietnam for production. I was not aware of this upon purchasing due to the "USA" made labeling I was seeing. My negligence in research has been becoming an issues as of late it would seem.
The product is quality to say the least. I do wish I had taken advantage of the "anti-spalling" purchase at checkout. As it would have only added roughly $90 maximum to my order. An order of which was only $323.16 for the Veritas plate carrier and cummerbund strap.
I mean WTF over?!?! less than $350 you're protected from some serious situations in many respects.
I will be using some (QOURTER INCH THICK) duct tape for my spalling needs..... Only the front of the plate needs to be coated that thick, so I figure a good three or four wraps around whatever takes to be the thickness needed should be sufficient in the end.
Because come on. "In the END" just stopping the round is going to be sufficient, so any added ANYTHING is going to be the butter to your bread...
Glad you are satisfied with your carrier! So the armor plates are made here in the USA, the carriers are all designed here as well but to expedite production, we do outsource the production of some of our carriers. We appreciate you feedback and hope you will purchase from us again! Thanks for the support!
Steel body armor does not produce any substantial blunt trauma. Instead it produces an “ultrasound” wave (I don’t know a better way to describe it) caused by its vibration, that can damage your organs. This is unique to non deformable armor made of stuff like ballistic steel and titanium. The more momentum/energy the plate stops and the less it weighs, the more powerful this wave will be. In order to mitigate it, for M80 ball, an inch gap should be present between the plate and person’s body. It can be literally any material, i.e. foam or rubber. Although I’d personally put some NIJ IIIA Kevlar behind it. In 90s and early 2000s, Russians put Kevlar behind their 4.6 mm steel plates and certified it as an equivalent to NIJ III++ (7.62x54R LPS and 5.45x39 7N10).
Also, the spall coating on AR500 is crap. I advise that people get the “base layer” version and wrap it in glued Kevlar/Twaron instead. 10 layers of 200 gsm Kevlar should do the trick.
Thats how I have mine set up. 3A kevlar behind AR600 plates. I'm gonna use the glued kevlar idea too.
Can you cite a paper or other resource on the ultrasound effect? The logic seems sound.
Brian Live tests on animals in 1970s, conducted by Soviets. Documents are in Russian and probably not available online.
Ultrasound is used in medical imaging of delicate tissue. The ultrasound from armor theory is basically bunk, and relegated to Sci Fi. Bullets that hit large metal plates don’t cause the plates to vibrate at the frequencies required for Ultrasound. These plates tend to “ring” in audible ranges which is well outside the ultrasound range. Also this combination could never produce sonic energy levels at the level needed to cause damage to tissue, that’s firmly in the Sci Fi category.
This is not to say that plates don’t vibrate when hit, they do, it’s that the vibration isn’t what is doing the damage. Impact energy and Back face deformation is what do the damage.
@@richb2229 There had been countless occasions when people survived shots on armor that resulted in 2-3 times the maximum backface deformation as stipulated by NIJ standard (44 mm). Steel plates on the other hand barely have any backface deformation (usually a maximum of 5 mm). Yet, there had been confirmed instances during the Chechen wars when soldiers died or suffered organ damage from shots on body armor’s steel plates that remained intact and didn’t even leave any bruising on the skin.
Thank you!
I'll be sure to get one of these as I'm frale as heck and don't think I'll be even 80% after taking a round to the armor if the worst ever comes.
You get two. one behind the front plate & one behind the back plate.
Thank you. Quick answer to my question. Much appreciated
I'm thankful that I paid for the trauma pads with my load out.
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Excellent video and very informative information to learn by!
Informative video! Thank you! Also dude... someone needs to turn down their stereo before you record a video. So much background noise I felt like I was back in college with crappy roomates who owed me money!! Thanks for the flashback! lol
Do you have any data as to how much energy is “absorbed” by the trauma pad being installed versus not? I understand that bfd is probably not reduced all that much, but I’d like to see data on how many ft-lb of energy is absorbed by the trauma pad versus not. Love your products!
Look up the video when they do that test. That Scar is shooting a .308 round into it and with the trauma pad caused zero deformation. With out it the deformation is very visible and means without a trauma pad. You will be knocked on your butt and be having a nasty painful bruise for a while.
they dont absorb it, they spread it out and minimize vibration....
Where is that t-shirt available? I just checked your website and didn't see it.
We don't currently have them availible.
@@AR500Armor pray tell when it will be?
@@Mrwednesday84 Never apparently. Just make your own. Many services out there for that.
Absolutely love that shirt...are they available?
Would soft armor work as well?
That's what he said at the end of the video " have the soft ( trauma closest to the body then the 500 ."
UM Maybe but you wanna add another 8 lbs to your KIT?
What is the thinking behind running the trauma pad behind your hybrid soft iiia armour? Necessary?
Soft body armor would be a bit of a waste behind hard armor from a cost standpoint. The teams pads are a fraction of the cost and are more than capable of moderating the blunt force trauma. If you had a spare soft plate I suppose that would be okay too. But it’s unnecessary and doesn’t really give any added protection.
No. It wouldn’t harden to absorb impact, and it wouldn’t give you any added bullet protection.
If you put a soft panel behind your III+ armor a black tip would still pass cleanly through both.
It would be good to see definitive proof of less actual BFD when your armor is used with and w/out a trauma pad. If the non-newtonian traume pad is *really* distributing the force of the impact, the measured BFD will be less.
If you watch the video, they provide this proof. 1:20 without pad, 2:33 with pad.
@@TomLeys I'll have to check that out again. It's been a year or so. LOL.
@@VinnyTuberino Yeah! I know, I considered not replying when I saw how old your comment was. You raised a great point, but I wanted to be "helpful"
Anyway, I hope you had a nice year.
Hmmm. i got everything except the trauma pads for the sideplates. Will get that next time.
Thanks for the great information!!😁👍👍🇺🇸
so just get D3O motorcycle armor. level 2 it onlyt lets 9kN past it. trim to fit and good to go. in fact they may be using that to make their pads
I would say stopping spall is more important
Few wounds from metal pieces are better than a broken rib. lol
Is the pad D30 foam or do you guys get it from somewhere else?
Yeah I've always wondered what kind of materials trauma pads are made of.
awesome. thnx!
You're welcome!
Thanks for info
Can you guys do a in depth video of your Valkyrie Armor please
We are always working on new videos...keep watching! Thanks for the feedback.
Good info. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Why not show the results with and without the trauma pad?
Weight of trauma pad. And this is something I feel aerogel or metal lattice would be far superior for armor or armor padding ... the strength to weight ratio is I believe 98/1 Now , cost of those materials is substantial but could be brought down with new technology and bulk sales
Yeah aerogel last I checked cost more than a house for a square foot block of it, which is roughly how much you'd need for 1-2 panels.
The material they use is very cost effective. It’s physical Property allows it to absorb a lot of energy in a thin and light pad. Plus it’s durable. Not sure how durable aerogel would be and it’s nowhere near cost effective even if mass produced.
Last 30 seconds of video shows backface deformation USING the trauma pad, but there’s no explanation to accompany it. Could we get an explanation of BFD with vs. without trauma pad?
Good idea! Thanks Ben! We'll add that to our list of upcoming videos.
Cornstarch and water?
I have to honestly say after looking at your video and looking at the size of the trauma pads and plates the trauma pad and the plate is your right all the correct fittings for my best would it be possible to know where I may be able to purchase the right pad and the right plate thanks again brother.
Here's a link! www.ar500armor.com/
Is this why there is no level III helmets?
Team Wendy is level 3
Is there a benefit to running two trauma plates behind the steel plate?
No. As the video shows, there was no dents into the clay molding with trauma pads. No need for another set.
So, doesn’t lvl 3a soft armor do the same thing as the trauma pads when placed behind the armor plates as well?
And can you use the trauma plates in conjunction with lvl 3a soft armor and armor plates?
No they are not the same, and they wouldn’t perform the same. Plus hard armor performs differently than soft armor and you have to consider something called back face deformation.
The thee together? You could but why? In this case The soft armor wouldn’t add any protection.
It's what we used in the US Army in our IOTV's. Seemed to work otherwise government wouldn't issue it. It's what I would run in my plate carrier.
What's going on with the militia helmet preorders?? calling doesn't work i sat on hold for hours, emails aren't personal responses.. just want a real update
If you have the level IV ceramic plates are trama pads still a necessity?
Ceramic distributes the force way better than steel so no
*_better safe than sorry_*
Just use it.
Personal choice. It will help mitigate blunt force trauma from the impact of the round.
Yes you should run a BDU, then modern mesh long hauberk down to your upper thigh, then a polymer gambeson, then a jacket with curved ceramic plate inserts. Then polymer throat armor.
Watch this video to see the deformation in clay and then think about whether a trauma pad might help. ;-) th-cam.com/video/4vL-08x7T4I/w-d-xo.html
Do you have a test video on soft armor with trauma pad?
I was thinking to a friend that was talking about the trams pad. The pad is so thin would you have any benefit to even run 2 pads to even lesson the hit if you are heading in to the fight.? What is the pro and con? Thanks
As I've been digging into armour, I've been increasingly curious what exactly makes up a trauma pad? I do not see reports of people having personal results with them (fortunately) but it does begger the question... What exactly IS a trauma pad?
Non Newtonian fluid feels wrong, because they aren't fluid and if they were, it would settle to the bottom of whatever seems they had. I don't find cutaway videos or anything really breaking this down. I don't want to volunteer to be the guy to "demonstrate" a with versus without, but without any firsthand accounts I can find, it makes me more curious...
BFD aside, the NIJ has an absurd level they accept. Some 44mm which is almost 2". Insane, not a level I'd want poking into me, bullet stopped aside. So to simply be NIJ rated and assisting that isn't curing my idea that trauma pads are a touch of snake oil... I am really curious, please help me understand.
What is the difference in clay depths from no pads and pads?
1:20 and 2:33
I Know it's a old video but I'll ask anyway. o and love y'all's armor use it's in all mine and my family's kits. fell free to send me some products to test. anyways ..... my Question is if you have Kevlar armor would you still need a trauma pad or would the Kevlar act as a trauma pad? some of our plate carriers come with the Kevlar init already and I always wondered if I still need to get them. we use y'all's steel armor plates in all our carriers.
Thank you for the question. No, Kevlar and Trauma pads cannot be used interchangeably. They do different things. Kevlar provides a material that is strong enough along the tinsel lines to stop a handgun round. Trauma pads use a non-Newtonian padding to resist energy with an equal and opposing amount of energy.
If you are talking about stopping something that may pass through the primary armor, Kevlar (or soft armor) is what you will want behind it.
When the primary armor stops a threat, a trauma pad behind it will dampen the forces pushed back into the wearer. Kevlar will NOT dampen these forces and the transfer of energy from the main plate will pass through the soft armor panel in into you.
Ideally you would want all 3 if permittable.
@@AR500Armor thank you for the information we will definitely be adding the trauma pads in our carriers. Keep up the good work and keeping everyone safe.
very good!
Thanks!
will using level 3 + steel and level 4 armor together give complete
protection?
Some say you can use 10mm EVA foam? Is this true?
Although anything behind the armor could be better than nothing, ultimately your going to want to go with a trauma pad. They are non-Newtonian and aid in dissipating and displacing the energy of taking a round. Here's more on our trauma pads: www.ar500armor.com/knowledge-base/what-is-trauma-pad.html
So can you run ceramic armor with trauma pads???
Yes you can.
Would it be better to just run a level ii or iiia soft panel behind the steel plate?
Trauma pads are in the twenty dollar range, the soft armor is worth more then the solid plates. Translation your price point skyrockets into well over a thousand plus dollars vs six hundred or less for plates and trauma pads.
@@Predator42ID of course the cost of the funeral is higher still
Will a piece of 20 guage stainless spread the impact out more if you dont got room for a trauma pad? Or would the bulge transfer?
20 gauge is pretty thin so it probably wouldn't absorb much more impact than the plate in front of it
How come some packages that you sell have no trama pads with them?
Just depends on the promotion we are running.
When are the Militia helmet preorders going to ship?
I've been waiting! Sat on the phone waiting over 3hrs no answer, message on TH-cam they say send an email, send emails get that same copy paste response.. can't even get a refund or atleast personal response for something I already paid for. Really dissapointed a big letdown i love the mission statement an the product but this is ridiculous
No one should be waiting 3 hours anymore. Please try to call again with any questions about your order. If you don't get through reach back out here on TH-cam.
@@kennethrussell5604 Yeah I got an email a while back saying the helmets were shipping soon, pick a color. I thought they were on top of things. I guess not. They already have our money, so I guess they no longer care about the people who funded their helmet launch in the first place.
@@AR500Armor How about you just explain what’s going on with the helmets? Why should we have to chase you down? Make a video. Send an email. Do something.
@@AR500Armor Thank you! All I'm looking for is a personal update on the process
Rather than spending $20 on 2 lil peace’s of foam you can buy the foam floor mats for working out on for $10 and trace your plates over them then cut out your own trauma pads.
Dope
Do you have to buy a trauma pad for front and back plates if you do?
Totally up to you, it is recommended though.
Are trauma pads ballistic or their role is solely to reduce the hit?
They are for absorbing the shock of impact so your body takes less damage
There is no way for me to run trauma pads. I bought a plate carrier designed to accept my 11 x 14 plate through AR500 might i add and it was very difficult to get the plate in the carrier, no way in hell im getting a trauma pad in there as well, no room.
@Mando’Ade Country maybe you have problems with reading comprehension. I cannot run trauma pads. It is too snug. The plate barely even fit.
@@cookncrook6902 Get another carrier then that can fit both. lol
I have a cutt out stop sign for a trauma pad because ima Bum!
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Two Trauma Pads up Front, One in the Back..
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What is inside the Trauma Park kevlar?
foam
What can you use in place of an anti-spalding coat on your steel plate?
We definitely recommend getting our FragLock coating when you order plates, there is no substitute for it.
@@AR500Armor there has to be a soft armor plate that will absorb spalding or something.
Spalling isn't an issue with Soft Armor, no matter who you go through- it either stops the bullet or it goes right on through. We prefer stopping it 😂
apparently your peeled of skin from the first shot you'll take because this company won't send your shit. they trap you with decent carriers but won't send you armor so the damn thing actually has purpose. I ordered in Sept .1 with 10 wk lead time.............week 13.... nothing, not even the 1-2 week update they promised. can you say Bankruptsy? I know that u can
Maybe level 3a soft armor?
Do level IV plates need trauma pads?
What plates and carrier do you run?
Condor with Spartan level 3 plates.
What exactly is the trauma pad made of?
its just foam
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Hello my name is ralphie, a few months ago I purchased a vest from wish, I never purchased the trauma pad because for some reason I didn't know the size or if it was the right one. So later on that day I went back on wish and purchase two trauma pads when I received them I noticed they were
An inch over on each side after overlapping the pad over the pocket. I then measured the fitting from top to bottom and notice that the bottom of the pad was 2 inches passed the bottom end of the pocket where the pad would normally fit. So I thought maybe I'll trim the pad to the fitting of the pocket on the vest. Can you please give me some of your advice if whether or not it would work thank you. the best that I purchase has the long velcro flaps on the bottom which covers the pockets entrance.
Why does it take more than a week to fulfill an order?
Why didn't you order it years ago?
Poor planning on your part.
Sorry to tell you but it'll be far longer than that! May wanna try a different dealer
How much does a trauma pad protect you from? Do you have any charts and stuff for different calibers? It sounds really interesting.
Heres a link! www.ar500armor.com/knowledge-base.html
@@AR500Armor Thanks!
No problem!
Do you need a trauma pad for the soft armor?
Trauma pads are designed to be worn in conjunction with and behind your body armor to reduce the amount of energy transfer to your body, reducing felt energy through your armor and mitigating backface deformation. Trauma pads offer no increase in ballistic protection. Up to you if you think it is worth the padding! Personally I would!
@@AR500Armor I was just wondering if they work with the soft armor, or if they were only made for the steel plates. That was my question. So I assume it is a yes.
Yup they will work with soft armor! Here's the link to our soft armor. You can add the trauma pads as an add on. www.ar500armor.com/soft-body-armor.html
@@AR500Armor Any discounts right now?
Use code 9years for 20% off!
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what about wearing 3a vest under your 3+ plates&carrier?
cheap $10 yoga mats from walmart are non-newtonian, jus sayun! Wierd hill for this guy to die on but it is what it is... Plus the yoga mats pulled out make a comfy seat on rocks when you take a break!
Trauma pad under level 4?
Yes. It helps the impact.
@@AR500Armor Are there any videos of Level IV and trauma pad on the calibrated clay?
What are the results?
see video
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So, ( and i swear im not being a dick about this) but can you please tell me how your trauma pads are anymore effective than say , industrial floormats glued together with 4x liquid nails?
Each trauma pad is specially engineered to mitigate blunt force trauma in case your armor takes a round and reduces the amount of back face deformation that could occur, which can mitigate risk of injury after impact.
It is designed from the ground up to be worn in conjunction with and behind your body armor to reduce the amount of energy transfer to your body, reducing felt energy through your armor and mitigating backface deformation. Industrial floormats are simply not designed to do that. Now that being said, floormats are probably better than NOTHING but then anything is better than nothing.
@@AR500Armor so, (and again im not trying to nit pick, but nobody asks these questions straight out, nor are the answers ever given bluntly) what you are saying is that trauma pads are made of a novel, proprietary material, speciffically developed for this purpose? Correct? It makes sense.
I get " what they do", and i buy them whenever i get a new plate carrier... But i guess i never really thought about them much beyond " thats how they get you".and figure nobody wants to get hit with a bare plate.
Correct! They are made for this purpose. No offense taken!
@@AR500Armor thanks, i know that it looks like im being overly critical, but all we really get is the " sales pitch" on the civilian market. Which leads to the " just as good" cyclic argument. And there is A TON of people promising that what is effectivly trash is identical in preformace to what others pay top dollar for. Personally, i dont have a dog in the fight. Id rather spend a few extra bucks to know its going to do its thing, than hope some random online is correct.but, it IS a topic of debate among your customers, and im sure you sell a lot of plates without them because of that. a direct statement from your end might not " end " the debate but it at least removes some of the ambiguity. Thanks for your time.
@@earlycuyler2295 it’s a non Newtonian fluid sport water and corn starch in a little pad nothing special about it you could make your own even thicker probably
I have your 3A+, would 2 trauma pads work better?
It helps mitigate blunt force trauma from the impact of the round but is not made to help the plate preform better.
OR you can just stuff your RIG with PHONE BOOKS
HMMM do they still make those?
phone books aren't made for absorbing impact however the shit thats in the trauma pads is. im assuming its made from that shit thats a liquid until struck then it turns into a semi solid if not i don't know what else but yeah.
Did he just say "non newtonian material"?
Engineering nerd.
What non-nerd term would be more appropriate? Anti-ouchie squishy stuff. ;-)
Shut up and take my money!!!
Just kidding, I already bought them. Some good quality stuff.
WELL THATS FINE AND DANDY IN THE FUCKEN LAB. BUT OUT HERE IN THE REAL WORLD YOU CATCH 2IN THE CHEST IT WILL BRUSE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU AND KNOCK THE WIND OF YOU AND GOOD POSSIBILITIES THAT IT WILL BUST A COUPLE OF URE RIBS HOW I KNOW I CAUGHT 2IN THE CHEST. THATS HOW I KNOW. LOL
Thanks for the feedback and we're happy to hear that you are OK!
you speak really fast and need to slow down buddy.
I have no trouble understanding him, the problem appears to be with you friend.
@@bicyclehorsethesixth5562 you're the problem