Did God create Evil? ft. Jeff Durbin
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MARK 4:39
And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, *Peace* , be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.
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Moral evil is an inclination of the will away from the good, “missing the mark.”
Metaphysical evil is a privation or corruption.
Evil is not an ontologically subsistent thing which God created, or which exists as itself apart from some perversion of a prior thing.
Serious question here: did God create the chaos of Genesis 1:2?
Fascinating discussion!! I tackle this slightly differently on my channel- would be honored to see what you think of it!
We tend to anthropomorphize God and talk about Him as caring, loving, and forgiving, or sometimes also wrathful. We use all those adjectives that we describe humans with, also to describe God. The idea of God having desires or issuing commands is as well an anthropomorphic misunderstanding. The stories in the Bible are written by humans, so they contain human biases and limitations. The writers try to explain God's rules with human language, logic, and morals so that it makes sense to the reader and themselves. But because God is eternal, all-powerful, and not limited by any natural laws, He is indifferent about us as He, in a way, is those natural laws He created which are as well indifferent about us. So "Good" and "evil" are not absolute concepts decreed by God. Instead, they are relative terms that humans use to describe what is beneficial or harmful to them. That does not mean that it doesn't matter if we do evil or good, because it clearly does, as our actions as free men and women have an effect on our lives and the society we live in. It just means that God Himself is indifferent about human decisions, actions and their suffering.
This perspective extends to other religious concepts as well. Heaven and hell can be seen rather symbolically and not as literal locations. 'Heaven' might represent a state of intellectual and emotional fulfillment, achieved through understanding the nature of reality, while 'Hell' could symbolize a state of confusion, ignorance, or bondage to passions and inadequate ideas, that leads to suffering in oneself or others.
Furthermore, if we consider God as the totality of natural laws, then God's 'plan' was already fulfilled at the moment of creation. The universe, including humanity with their free will, simply unfolds according to these established natural laws. Our existence and experiences are the result of complex interactions within this system, rather than the product of continual divine intervention or planning.
Assigning God as the creator of evil as the audio stated sounds Gnostic… would you agree?
Except the gnostics were dualists. Too many people are throwing around terms they don't understand.
190 years? Yeah. I'd say that good and evil were around before then.
Evil is not a creation. Evil is the absence of something- goodness. Darkness is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good.
Chapter 19. That God is not the cause of evils.
It is to be observed that it is the custom in the Holy Scripture to speak of God's permission as His energy, as when the apostle says in the Epistle to the Romans, Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour and another unto dishonour ? And for this reason, that He Himself makes this or that. For He is Himself alone the Maker of all things; yet it is not He Himself that fashions noble or ignoble things, but the personal choice of each one. And this is manifest from what the same Apostle says in the Second Epistle to Timothy, In a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth: and some to honour and some to dishonour. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 2 Timothy 2:20-21. And it is evident that the purification must be voluntary: for if a man, he says, purge himself. And the consequent antistrophe responds, If a man purge not himself he will be a vessel to dishonour, unmeet for the master's use and fit only to be broken in pieces. Wherefore this passage that we have quoted and this, God has concluded them all in unbelief Romans 11:32, and this, God has given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear , all these must be understood not as though God Himself were energising, but as though God were permitting, both because of free-will and because goodness knows no compulsion. His permission, therefore, is usually spoken of in the Holy Scripture as His energy and work. Nay, even when He says that God creates evil things, and that there is no evil in a city that the Lord has not done, he does not mean by these words Amos 3:6 that the Lord is the cause of evil, but the word 'evil ' is used in two ways, with two meanings. For sometimes it means what is evil by nature, and this is the opposite of virtue and the will of God: and sometimes it means that which is evil and oppressive to our sensation, that is to say, afflictions and calamities. Now these are seemingly evil because they are painful, but in reality are good. For to those who understand they became ambassadors of conversion and salvation. The Scripture says that of these God is the Author.
It is, moreover, to be observed that of these, too, we are the cause: for involuntary evils are the offspring of voluntary ones.
This also should be recognised, that it is usual in the Scriptures for some things that ought to be considered as effects to be stated in a causal sense , as, Against You, You only, have I sinned and done this evil in Your sight, that You might be justified when You speak, and prevail when You judge. For the sinner did not sin in order that God might prevail, nor again did God require our sin in order that He might by it be revealed as victor. For above comparison He wins the victor's prize against all, even against those who are sinless, being Maker, incomprehensible, uncreated, and possessing natural and not adventitious glory. But it is because when we sin God is not unjust in His anger against us; and when He pardons the penitent He is shown victor over our wickedness. But it is not for this that we sin, but because the thing so turns out. It is just as if one were sitting at work and a friend stood near by, and one said, My friend came in order that I might do no work that day. The friend, however, was not present in order that the man should do no work, but such was the result. For being occupied with receiving his friend he did not work. These things, too, are spoken of as effects because affairs so turned out. Moreover, God does not wish that He alone should be just, but that all should, so far as possible, be made like Him.”
Excerpt From
An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith
St. John of Damascus
"We ought therefore to hold this doctrine, that God alone is the author of all events; that is, that adverse and prosperous events are sent by him, even though he makes use of the agency of men, that none may attribute it to fortune, or to any other cause" -John Calvin, commentary on Isaiah 45:7
Before our God existed? Just curious do Mormons know who the original God is??
No, because there is an infinite regress of gods in mormonism.
Most Mormons believe God the Father has always been God but became a man like Jesus became a man
@@gustavmahler1466 I think you got that backwards, God the father was once a man then became God. ( According to mormonism).
@@riverpc5755 God the Father became a man like us and he was resurrected
@@gustavmahler1466 the maze of Mormonism.
Matthew 10: 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from YOUR FATHER’S WILL. Some will tell you it is the bird’s fault. But what about the greatest catastrophic event? Was God not in control of that?
Matthew 10:34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. After God created all things and God saw that it was good [perfect] God planted a tree: “The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and EVIL.” Men did not know about evil but God did.
Blasphemers are those that deny the Sovereignty of God. Iblīs was an Angel he was cast out of heaven because he argued with God why He created men who He made out of clay in His own Image with so much Glory. He said with more other angels to God: "You created them from clay and us from Fire why are we servants." we should receive more glory than they. God’s anger arose and Fire came from His Nostrils. The anger of God was never seen before. Michael and the angels on God’s side started war and threw Iblīs and his followers out of Heaven. Due to his fall from God's grace and jealousy he went to the earth to Paradise and deceived Adam and Eve to hurt God in the Crown of His creation. Iblis is often identified with Al-Shaitan ("the Devil"). It is a story from older manuscripts. The name Iblīs is derived from Ancient Greek διάβολος (diábolos) This or something very similar must have happened. There was no Devil on day 6 when God saw that all he made was GOOD.
If God did ?? not predetermine things???? God The Creator of Heaven and Earth could have thrown Iblīs In hell in the outer darkness or even destroy/ Annihilate him completely. But no God let him go to the earth take upon himself the form of a snake and deceive Eva and then Adam by his own wife, God gave him. Did God just only know that it would happen? God already had a plan of salvation from eternity past, and that Christ our Lord would come and die for the sins of the world. The plan was not optional it was determent. God is all powerful and could have prevented them to eat from the tree. However sin was needed because for Christ to take upon Him humanity and die.
the Creation was not finished on the 6th day but it will be when our Lord reveals the Glorious plan when the New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven.
Daniel 4: 34 At the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High, and praised and honored him who lives forever, for his dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom endures from generation to generation; 35 all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?” It is time for Leighton to come to this same conclusion
If God is Confused then Arminian Leighton and the other Palagians or semi Palagians are Right. If God is the All Glorious Lord Creator and the Alpha and the Omega the Begin of all things and the Ruler of all the earth and Do whatever him pleases. Better remember what Happened to Iblīs I say Iblīs and not Lucifer because that is the King Of Babylon and a wrong translation of the word Morning Star. While all is translated in English it is left in Latin. This is why the Mormons say that Jesus is the Brother of Lucifer.
Revelation 20: 1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more.
Why now release Satan to deceive the nations? Did God just know? Where does it say that?
Revelation 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan WILL BE released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. “WILL BE” means it will happen BECAUSE of God’s Decree
This lifetime is short and Hell is forever. Would you rather be presumptuous and not find out the truth.
…Then the righteous will answer him, saying, “Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?” And the King will answer them, “Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.” (Matthew 25:37-40) those being Saved by grace did not know that what they did that pleased God. They knew themselves to be undeserving sinners. Only on the day the New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven we sure will know 2 things It was grace and grace alone I would have chosen dead if it would have been up to me. What God our Lord did was the MOST perfect plan men could never even imagine before it was revealed in Eternity. What about those born in Thailand, (where 93% of the population is Buddhist and 5.5% Islam) Can you even imagine how for them to find the Gospel by their own will. There are a few Christians but it needs a miracle of the Lord to become aware of the gospel.
No. God did not create moral evil! God is light and in Him is no darkness at all!
He ordained evil to exist in order to destroy evil for his glory. Allowing evil for his purpose without creating it.
ISAIAH 45:7
I form the light, and *create* *darkness* : I make peace, and *create* *evil* : I the LORD do all these things.
@@bisdakpinoy3428 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
No "create evil" here. If you want to trace the origin of evil (Lucifer). Isaiah 14:12-14
“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!
You said in your heart,
‘I will ascend to heaven;
above the stars of God
I will set my throne on high;
I will sit on the mount of assembly
in the far reaches of the north;[c]
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.’
@@Mind_of_MATT Lucifer is a self made spirit?
God is the definition of those attributes. God is good. The absence of good is evil. God is light. The absence of light is darkness. God is love. The absence of love is hatred.
God's very existence creates/defines all of those things. His existence creates/defines goodness, light, and love. And the absence of him automatically creates/defines evil, darkness, and hatred.
God is sovereign and can even use evil for his good purposes...to fulfill his will and future plans and to judge people for their sin.
Sounds just like the idol/"god" middle knowledge.
Calvinists literally believe God caustively decreed for all evil to occur, and you think this is reflective of Molinism?
Evil came about because of THE AUTHORITY, GOD said do not, but evil was needed because of HIS INTENT Romans 9:22a “What if GOD, wanting to show HIS wrath” so in every generation GOD will show HIS wrath on the people who believe the lie that HE gave them because they would not receive the TRUTH, but that life is just a evaluation of cause and effect not that GOD declared the end from the beginning and HE will chose the one to fulfill what HE SPOKE, Isaiah 46:10-11.
Yes, since Almighty God is PERFECT, therefore God created the "Knowledge (idea/understanding/awareness) of Good and Evil,"... and planted the "TREE of KNOWLEDGE" (Good/Evil) together with the "TREE of LIFE" (which is Christ Jesus, God gave birth to His only begotten Son called THE WORD from God's bosom as the TRUE source of living life/immortality) in the Garden of Eden. God Almighty chooses GOOD in creating ALL His CREATIONS both visible and invisible from evening to morning for 6 days and rested on the 7th day... "Everything that God created is GOOD" as the Bible narrated... (from the Book of Genesis)...
God also gave all His Angels (Sons of God) and Humans (Adam/Eve) the gift of FREE WILL with the attached CONSEQUENCES to those who choose GOOD which is REWARD and those who choose EVIL which is PUNISHMENT... God never created LUCIFER (Morning Star) to become EVIL, but the knowledge/idea/understanding/awareness of EVIL comes to his mind and heart that made him SATAN (meaning Against/Oppose/Enemy of God)... Biblically Facts and Truth... Amen.
Isaiah 45:7
King James Version
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Completely taken out of context. It is speaking about CALAMITY, that is, NATURAL EVIL (earthquakes, etc.) not MORAL EVIL.
Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
Look at verse 9. It says in the NASB77 (speaking of mankind): An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth!
Will the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you doing?’
Or the thing you are making say, ‘He has no hands’?
I recommend you watch the Sermon of R.C. Sproul on 'What is Evil And Where Did it Come From?"
All I can say is that God has decreed (He has the primary will) all things to come to pass for the glory of His attributes. We have secondary will (it is under the will of God) but within the boundary of our will, we have free-will, that is, we can choose between option A. and B.. e.g. You chose to wake up in the morning, you choose whether you want to eat orange juice or apple juice. Tea or coffee? you get it. But because Adam sinned, we have a sin nature, we are naturally against God. We suppress the truth in unrighteousness. We now desire evil, sin and unrighteousness. We are enslaved to our sin (unless God frees us from it by His grace).
God is just and so He judges EVIL.
God is gracious and so He gives mercy to sinners. The greatest example is found in Jesus Christ.
Justice and Grace are completely contrary but because God sent His Son to pay the price that we should have paid ourselves, we are acquited and set free from our bondage and slavery to sin.
Each day, God shows common grace to all sinners "let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it." but through His Son paying the price for our sins eternally, We can go free through repentance and faith in Him.
God has given you water, clothed you, sheltered you "though you have not known Him".
Is not that enough? We have everything we do not deserve.
We deserve God's wrath because of who He is - He is good and there is no evil in Him. We have zero reason to sin against Him and every reason to not sin and yet we sin everyday. God is infinitely sovereign, royal and just - if you steal from the King, you will pay a greater price than frauding a peasant, however, if this is true of earthly kings, how much more should we receive from the King of kings, Jesus Christ? We will suffer in eternal hell and it will never end until He graciously revives us by His Spirit.
@@The_Unprofitable_ServantThe God who is working all things after the council of his will, can apparently only work his will through natural disasters, even though the scriptures clearly show him working through man's agency. Like with the Assyrians, or Joseph's brothers or even the crucifixion of Christ. Trying to relegate that text to only the realm of natural disasters is a laughable attempt to get around it.
@@danielomitted1867 To be honest, I have changed my view on the text and I am quite embarassed. I understand hermaneutics a little better now than I did about 9months ago
Did God create shadow?? no, He created light which makes a shadow possible. A shadow is not a something, its a lack of something.
God does not create evil, evil is the antithesis of God, of love. Evil is nothing, like a shadow its a lack of something.
He made evil possible because He wanted free sons and daughters, not robots.
No! God is not responsible! Stop blaming things on God. Nobody is perfect.
God is Not Perfect?
Are You Serious??
Isaiah 45:7
@@SD_Chosen I mean, its not his fault he committed genocide and allows slavery. He did it due to the culture at the time!
@@ndjarnagnobody says that
Best Summary for God Is The Quote From a Person Speaking of Aizen In the Anime Bleach He Is Behind Everything
How do you get to hell?
Very simple: claim that you're innocent.
How do you get to heaven?
Very simple: Admit that you're not Innocent, you're guilty and ask for mercy.
How to know if you're guilty or not?
Simply: Compare your life to the Ten Commandments God gave you in the Bible.
Everyone agrees that if people followed the ten commandments there would be no need for governments or police.
Do not lie.
Do not steal.
Do not commit adultery.
Do not insult God by using his name as a cuss word.
There are six more but let's just leave it at that.
How many lies have you told in your life?
Have you ever taken anything that didn't belong to you?
Jesus said, if you look at a women lustfully you've already committed adultery in your heart with that woman.
How many times a day do you do that?
Do you use God's name as a cuss word?
Would you do that with your own mother's name?
If you answer these questions honestly you know that you're guilty.
God can justly punish you and send you to hell.
Ask him for mercy.
His name is Jesus. It's as simple as this, The Ten Commandments are called the moral law. You and I broke God's laws. Jesus paid the fine.
The fine is death.
Ezekiel 18:20 -
"The soul who sins shall die."
That's why Jesus had to die on the cross for our sins. This is why God is able to give us Mercy.
Option A.
You die for your own sins.
Option B.
Ask for mercy and accept that Jesus died on the cross for you.
❤
*Honest questions are welcome.*
The only people who will read this and agree with you are people who already believe the Christian god exists and hates sin, he died and resurrected, the Ten Commandments should be obeyed, etc. So nothing you’ve said is going to carry any weight unless your audience already believes it. You didn’t give an argument, you gave a sermon. Would you care if a Muslim told you Allah is disappointed in you?
Your challenge is to give a reason for the unbelievers to accept that the Christian god exists. If you are able to successfully navigate that hurdle, you’ll need to give a reason why they should then repent and ask to be forgiven. As far as I can tell, the only reason someone should repent is to go to heaven or avoid hell. Without that reward or punishment, Christianity is pretty pointless from the human perspective.
I would need to bow down and ask God to forgive me and have mercy on me. In order to feel truly repentant, I would need to feel culpable and responsible for my sins. I would need to feel as though my sins are my fault. In order to feel that my sins are my fault, I would need to know that I could’ve not sinned. So that’s the question I’ll ask you.
Am I (or anyone not named Jesus) free to not sin?
@@frederickfairlieesq5316
I post this message all over the internet.
It regularly generates strong responses.
It appears to have found at least one person today on this small section of the internet.
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As far as the existence of God you will not be offered more evidence than you've already seen.
*A gigantic Planet crammed full of beautiful and amazing things.
@@frederickfairlieesq5316
Now, how many lies have you told in your life?
Because you are, **also*, not wondering about the differences between right and wrong. Our conscience speaks clearly at all times and in all circumstances in which we find ourselves.
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 "A gigantic Planet crammed full of beautiful and amazing things."
Like death despair and destruction? Are lions ripping zebras to shreds beautiful? Oh but let me guess god didn't make them do that?
Are natural disasters beautiful? But let me guess, god didn't make them happen.
Are sicknesses and diseases beautiful? Oh but wait again you'll say your god didn't make them.
Very convenient that suddenly he's not the creator of the evil aspects of nature and you have to blame something/one else for what you would otherwise say your god made.
In order for their to be free will, evil has to exist, otherwise we have no choice.
According to the Fullness of God If God Is Totality Would That Includes Evil
( Isaiah 45:7-8 )
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the Lord do all these things.
8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.
🤷♂️ WHO CREATED THE 'TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD &... EVIL?
DON'T GET IT TWISTED... HIS WAYS ARE NOT OUR WAYS. HE'S THOUGHTS... ARE NOT OUR THOUGHTS.
Theodicy?
Means the defense of God in light of the presence of evil.
@@SugoiEnglish1 thank you.
There are many more scriptures that plainly teach the One True God created evil, here are three below, the main problem with Christianity is they teach that Evil is eternal(as in their many translations plainly say) and not like it really is and that is....................evil is Eonian.
Isaiah 45.7 the Former of light,
and Creator of darkness,
the Maker of peace,
and Creator of evil:
I am YHWH,
the Maker of all these.
Amos 3.5 Does a bird fall
on a trap of the earthland,
and for him
was no snare of a catching implement?
Does a trap spring up from the adamah,
and capturing it does not capture?
Amos 3.6 Or will be blasted with the shofar
in the city,
and the people do not tremble?
Or comes to be an evil in the city,
and YHWH has not done it?
2 King i6.33 He was still wording with them,
and here!,
the commissioner
was going down to him;
and he spoke:
Here!,
this is the evil from YHWH;
what should I wait
for YHWH any longer?
Evil as death and failance (translated as "sin" in the popular Versions) and all enemies have a beginning and a finishing, they are NOT “Eternal” as in having no beginning and no finishing.
May the Lord unveil to the individual and to all(which He WILL eventually) the truth that the one Hebrew word OLAM and one Greek word Aion is not to be rendered "eternal", or the plural Greek word AIONS rendered "Eternal"(which should be the eternities in their translations) they would come out of inferior translations like the KJV and many other Versions, and come into a better well-announcement, (Or "Gospel" as in the KJV).
The only other version besides the Dabhar Literal Translation(DLT) (that I know of) that rendered this one Hebrew word OLAM and one Greek word AION as Eon and Eons respectively, is the Concordant Literal Version(CLV)(which can be found on-line).
The Youngs Literal Translation renders these words as AGE and AGES which is better and more accurate then "Eternal" but not as accurate as EON(singular) or Eons(plural).
Here is a word concept on EVIL, from the Version named The Dabhar Literal Translation.
evil/ be - [r; [ra‘] ka
The basic stem [r; be evil (Pr24.18) is also translated be smashed (Is24.19), and as active verb smash (Ps2.9). The causal stem (hi) [r;he [he:ra´‘] is rendered do evil‘ (Gn19.9) and do oneself evil‘ (Ps15.4). Four times [r;he [he:ra´‘] is translated smash‘ (Jr25.29; Jr31.28; Ps44.3; Ps74.3). Therefore, biblically a person or an action is described as evil that does smash internally or externally.
Here is the EON a word concept from the Dabhar Literal Translation, you can discover this as TRUER(if you will) then the translation into "Eternal" if you study the Hebrew and Greek occurrences of these words as such place as Biblehub.com.
These words are found over 650 times(SIX-HUNDRED and FIFTY) in the most Popular Bible Canon, for there are other Canons which is another subject:
eon ~l'A[ [‘o:la:´m]
In lack of a suitable English expression, the Hellenic(Greek) word eon was chosen to render the Hebrew word OLAM, ~l'A[. This was done because in the WNC (NT), quotations from the TNK (OT) containing the Hebrew word ~l'A[l. [le‘o:la:´m] for eonian (Psalms110.4) are represented by into the eon (Hebrew 5.6).
Unlike the Hellenic(Greek) word eon, the meaning of the Hebrew word OLAM ~l'A[ can be determined easily. ~l'A[ is derived from ~yli[.h, [hae‘lee´m] conceal‘ (Isaiah 1.15) (of the biblically not occurring ka stem ~l;[') and ~Wl[' [‘a:loo´m] the concealed (Psalms 90.8), as well as from other words of this word family.
Therefore, the Hebrew word OLAM ~l'A[ (and in the word eon, used as a translation) therefore conceptually implies a temporal area of concealment. An apt English translation would be concealment time.
The now present eon (Titus 2.12) contains the time of the present heavens and the earthland (2 Peter 3.7; Ephesians 2.2) which is paraphrased from the eon, and until the eon (Psalms 41.14).
The German Bible translator Hermann Menge translated the Hellenic(Greek) eon (in his "Heilsgeschichtlicher Wegweiser", page 79) with world-time. Also the German theological dictionary "Theologisches Begriffslexikon" (R. Brockhaus, 2nd edition, 1979, volume 2, pages 1457-1462) points out that the idea of a timeless transcendental over-time does not correspond to the concept of time in the OT, but was developed by Plato and adopted by Plutarch.
Dr. théol. Philipe Reymond remarks in his "Dictionaire d'Hébreu et d'Araméen Bibliques" with regard to the Hebrew word ~l'A[: ne pas traduire par "éternité" (never translate by "eternity") il s'agit d'un temps très long (it is all about a very long time).
In the French Bible Translation of A. Chouraqui the content of ~l'A[ is often rendered "pérennité" (defined in "Le Littré", the Dictionary of the Classic French Language, with: "état de ce qui dure longtemps" i.e. a state which lasts long).
The present eon is the time which is described in the WNC (NT) from the eon (Acts 3.21; Acts 15.8) or from the downcast of the cosmos (Luke 11.50), and its conclusion is called together-finishing of the eon (Matthew 13.39).
Since the concealment, in accordance with Matthew 13.35, was carried out from the down- cast of the cosmos, i.e. from the eon, this statement agrees with the translation of ~l'A[me [me:‘o:la:m] from the eon (Psalms 119.52) as from concealment time.
Isiah 45:7 isn't an accurate translation. Chaos or calamity would be more accurate than evil, and almost no modern translation uses the term evil here.
Amos isn't an accurate translation. The accurate word would be disaster.
2 Kings is a mistranslation. A more accurate word would be "trouble".
Are you catching a theme here? If you have to disagree with virtually every scholar and translation about these verses........ maybe, just maybe, you've been lead astray?
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Let me help you also, Isiah is spelled Isaiah.
Here are a couple more to consider:
Amos 3.6 Or will be blasted with the shofar
in the city,
and the people do not tremble?
Or comes to be an evil in the city,
and YHWH has not done it?
2 Kings 6.33 He was still wording with them,
and here!,
the commissioner
was going down to him;
and he spoke:
Here!,
this is the evil from YHWH;
what should I wait
for YHWH any longer?
We study Literal Translations, these below are the few that are closer to the Truth, then the most Popular Versions like the NKJV, KJV, and many others, which have thousands and thousands of "mistakes" based on our best manuscripts we have in our possession.
You should consider the Dabhar Literal Version and the Concordant Literal Version that teach the EONS and not the so-called "forever's".
You may want to study(May the Lord concede) the 600+ occurrences of the Hebrew word OLAM and the Greek word AION and its plural AIONS and get CLOSER to the TRUTH that the One True God speaks to us through the EONS which He made through the One Christ, for there are many christs and many lords, but they are Anti, thus they teach a replacement "Gospel" better rendered as well-announcement.
THINK ABOUT IT!
instead of avnti, [anti´]
The preposition occurs also as part of a word (Hebrews 9.24). In colloquial language avnti, anti is usually understood as "against"; even though avnti, anti is sometimes to be understood as "against," it is then mostly a veiled "against" (1 Timothy 6.20). What is meant is "instead of" (Luke 11.11; Matthew 2.22), also a replacement (Hebrews 12.16), whereby this case was rendered for. The translation against is reserved for the preposition kata, [kata´], when it refers to a word in the genitive
Hebrews 1.1 In many parts and in many manners,
God spoke long ago
to the fathers
in the prophets;
Hebrews 1.2 at the time
of the last of these days
He spoke‘ to us in the Son,
whwhom He set‘
as law-according allottee for all˭
through whwhom He also made‘ the eons,
Hebrews 11.2 For in this faithing
the precedors were testified
Hebrews 11.3 In faithing we think about
that the eons have been accordingly fitted
by the talk of God,
ito the end that
that being seen
have not been become
out of that being made to appear.
God created evil or he did not. It cannot be both. Biblically speaking, God did create evil and warned man to not partake in it. Man was bestowed with freedom to choose, and therefore committed the first sin by directly acting in opposition to Gods command. God created all things, evil is a thing, however mans actions and the freedom to go left or right were the abilities God created man with. Evil is not sin.
William lane Craig answers this problem beautifully!
Molinism is the answer!
Molinism doesn't address evil very well. It is a Roman Catholic system ,i.e., Jesuit priests designed to rebut the Protestant Reformers theological position especially as articulated by Martin Luther in his Bondage of the will that was actually more in line with biblical Christianity.
molinism is a mess! it doesn't answer anything
No, he doesn’t. It ends up at the same point as Calvinism. God still actuated a world where evil still exists.
Evil did not come out of nowhere, evil does not have power over God, Jesus.
John 1:1 And the Word was God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Again
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
You can't create something outside your character. God has no evil in Him therefore He can't create evil
Isaiah 45:7 states god creates evil so he is at the very least part evil.
@@eyezick How can God create something He is not? Can't! Maybe you should understand what God means in that verse
@NoalSmith-lk6kt maybe you should understand what God creating evil means
@@eyezick What does it mean genius?
@@eyezick The God who can create evil but can't commit evil . That's a new one . Sounds like something satan would accuse God of
God is not the author of sin in a sense that God is not the doer of sin. God is the author of sin in a sense that He is ultimate cause of sin.
It’s comical that Calvinist are clueless about the foundations of their own belief system. Augustinism, in all its forms declare that God is the author of evil. There are countless quotes in Augustine’s and Calvin’s works. Even modern Calvinists admit this.
the question is mute, because there is no such thing, as evil...much like there is not darkness....only an absence of light.....evil is the absence of goodness...
Not relevant. You can create an absence. My refrigerator creates an absence of heat. My shovel exists to create absences of dirt.
eternal law? oh you mean the definition of EXISTENCE? whats jehovahs name means again ? SELF EXISTING.....
no basis for his (JW) argument other than his own emotions...... no im not mormom btw i just have the gift of prespective ..unlike JW and other calvinists apologists
Why are you arguing about someone’s opinion? You know that only certain things are official canon, right?
You can’t interview or argue with someone who doesn’t speak for the church or fully understand the doctrine. Low hanging fruit guys.
Why make a comment on someone's channel when they aren't present with you, live?
:P
There is only ONE Gospel: The Gospel of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Satan's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of God
“God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”
Genesis 1:27 NASB1995
@@corbinclarke9795 Genesis 1 is Lucifer and the fallen angels making man in their image. Man is an idol, a trap for angels.
Genesis 1:26 And God (H430) said, Let us make man in our image (H6754),
H430 Elohim = angels, gods (little g), OF The Supreme God. To be OF The Supreme God means YOU ARE NOT The Supreme God.
H6754 Tselem = phantom, illusion, vain show, representative figure - especially an idol.
Better translation;
Genesis 1:26 And angels said Let us make man in our vain show as an idol.
Genesis 2:7 the Lord God forms His representative in THEIR system.
@@corbinclarke9795 God of this world, "Baphomet thriller": th-cam.com/users/shortsHM5CxO6ZsHE
@@qwerty-so6ml “You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. Your eyes have seen what the Lord has done in the case of Baal-peor, for all the men who followed Baal-peor, the Lord your God has destroyed them from among you.”
Deuteronomy 4:2-3 NASB1995
“I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.”
Revelation 22:18-19 NASB1995
“For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Matthew 5:18-19 NASB1995
@@qwerty-so6ml Your claim isn’t consistent with scripture at all, as a matter of fact it’s blasphemy, you’re inserting ideas that God never spoke. Do you not believe the Word of God is inspired? Are you a part of a cult? You are in great danger with this theology, I’ll be praying for you.
bruh IMAGINE THINKING GOD CREATED EVIL LOL YOU PPL ARE INSANE
And you guys never answer the question.
God did not create evil. He created a person with the capacity to commit evil.......it's called a free will.
The only way God could create a creature that would freely choose to worship and praise Him was to create him with the capacity of choice. A free will to choose God or to choose to go against God.
Otherwise God would have to create robots that believe in things like Calvinism......and have no choice but to love and adore Him.
If God has to make you love Him, then what is the point? That would mean the Calvinist's puny god cannot make everyone love Him. Why? Because he is sadistic?
You sit there and talk about the Mormon god, James White. When you yourself have created your own god apart from the Bible.
You have no understanding of the God of the Bible because you have created a box and tried to put Him in it rather than accepting Him for His revelation of Himself.
You give a series of asinine philosophical musings then punctuate it by saying "you have no understanding of the God of the bible". None of what you said comes from the bible. The bible makes quite clear, we are not free, we are slaves to sin. There's no God seeker, no one righteous, no one who does good, we are hostile to God, cannot submit to his law, cannot do what is pleasing to God, cannot understand the things of God. Yet here you are babbling about how God wanted to make free people so we could freely choose him, the bible says nothing of the sort.
Calvinists trying to keep people from thinking God is evil amirite folks lol.
Calvinism can't exist unless you accept that god is evil. According to Calvinism god controls it all and therefore predestination. So if you have predestination then we have no choice so with no choice means god created evil and makes you do it.
LOL. You have no business commenting on something you have no idea what you are talking about. You say God is evil. Every Calvinist I know and read for 40 years says God is good.
@@SugoiEnglish1 then please enlightened me on how Calvinism doesn't make God evil. If he predestined everyone to heaven or hell and we have no actual choice about it then in essence we aren't evil but God is. John 3:16 clearly says that whosoever believes, not just who I choose to believe, but whosoever believes shall have everlasting life.
Calvinism is as wrong as Mormonism.
Both systems are far from historic Biblical Christianity.
God created evil per the entire counsel of scripture......