Regina: "It Was YOU Who Added Evil To My Name" (Once Upon A Time S2E15)
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- Snow's brief confrontation with Regina in OUAT S2E15: The Queen Is Dead
This scene clearly depicted how Regina felt that she was always misunderstood and labelled 'Evil' despite her efforts to change. With reference to S2E10: The Cricket Game episode, it was rather simple-minded for everyone to put the blame on Regina, Snow included, upon Archie's rumoured death.
Thus, I felt that this is just the consequences of the other Storybrooke character's unwillingness to remove that stereotype they have against the 'Evil' Queen and to actually, be willing to be more open for Regina's turnover process back then. Trouble is brewing, I don't think there's ever any chance for Regina to look back and turn over for the better.
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#oncers #OUATmoments #S2E15 - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
Regina: "And what do you know about mothers?"
Me: "OOOOOOOO"
Emmet Stone I'm sure she wanted to raise her daughter more than anything. But someone's curse made that impossible.
Well the reason she wouldn't know much is because Regina took away her chance to be one.
She was actually addressing Snow White's mother who bullied Regina's mother and is the reason Regina's mother contacted Rumplestilskin in the first place.
@@marvinphelps9901 but there is no indication that Regina knows about that, we don't have any indication that Cora told her about what snows mother did to her.
They were discussing mother's not being a mother though. She didn't say what do you know about being a mother because surely Snow would've definitely brought up the fact that she didn't raise Emma because of Regina like she always does. Also Regina loves bringing up the death of Snow White's mother set up the whole premise of ruining her life. But honestly it's so vague she could've been referring to anything as we all have many different interpretations as good writing tends to do.
Imagine the other rando fairy tale people in the town who don’t play any important role in the story, just waking up time and time again in the town being like “well we all lost our memories again, who f*cked up this time?”
That and all the constant destruction they must've had to deal with. Giants, cyclones, dragons, and all other kinds of magical shit just roaming around the town must've gotten pretty normal for the random. Then on top of that at the very end of the show they had to deal with all the realms coming together in Storybrooke.
😂😂😂
@@legorisen7702it’s definitely normal since they’re all used to that back home 😂😂😂😂😂
Hahaahahahah I think EVERYONE would be cursed as funny as this comment is 😂
All Regina ever wanted was love and freedom, but nobody seems to want her to have that.
Not true. People would be more then willing to give it to her. If she didn't try to get it the wrong way. Like killing an entire town, just to get her son back.
Snow wanted that from her, Snow was ready to forgive Regina after everything she put her trough.
Eva might have been a spoiled brat when she was younger but she grew out of it and became a kinder person as she grew up, so much that she would scold her own daughter for mistreating a servent, now Cora was a bad person even before she met Eva, she was a bitch and became evil, but Regina had a choice, she could've chosen to be good but she chose to stay evil
Cora wanted power and revenge, but Eva isn't to blame for Cora treating Regina the way she did
So is Cora
I think the crushing multiple people's hearts and usurping a kingdom added evil to her name.
for me, regina was the evil incarnate in the season 1
but when her son henry came into in her life, she has wanted to give up evil for him
Thank you!
literally 😭😭regina was so wrong here
@@soixsantes When he came in, she didn't want to. It was almost losing him that she gave up.
I’m sorry, but Snow really pisses me off sometimes, she's so self-righteous it drives me nuts! Yes Regina has done many truly awful things, but look at her life? She was raised by a clearly abusive mother, watched her true love be murdered by said mother because a silly little girl couldn't keep a secret, forced into a miserable marriage, and suffered so much else. And later in Storybrooke, I can’t describe how angry it made me every time one of them tried to take Henry from her or when Emma tried to say that she was his mother, not Regina, who has raised him from infancy and has loved and protected him no matter what. I honestly hated the “good guys” for a few moments in those episodes! I am not making excuses for Regina, she still did plenty bad, but so has everyone else on this show, it’s just because they’re labeled as the “heroes” that they can apparently do no wrong. There's a reason Regina, Rumple, and Hook are my favorite characters, they’re not just black and white, right and wrong, they've been broken and scarred and it has made they’re hearts dark, but just like glass, the most beautiful souls are often the most stained.
***** I love Regina and Rumple and Hook, every single one of them. But what you said hits it poignant. And now people are blaming Emma for Regina's misfortune. But what do they forget? The Regina caused Emma's unhappiness. Sure, not directly, but did Emma save Marian with full knowledge that she was Marian? No. Yes, it was stupid for Snow to share but like you said, she was young and naive.
After just reading your comment once and i'm already sick. No offense but you're talking stupid. Snow White's Righteousness is wonderful. Regina is evil. Her mother was and so is she. She does evil and then uses an excuse to make what she did forgivable and her mother was evil too and Regina blames people for her death all because they're were ridding the world of a fiend. Now Regina gets something she wants finally and she still decides to make everyone miserable. She should be grateful her son; one that doesn't even belong to her at all, wants to even look at her after the mess she's caused. She doesn't have to regret for i do believe she cares for Henry but she still causes suffering when she doesn't have to and just wants to. Oh and she doesn't love Henry she only has him to make herself feel better because Henry is foolish he won't stop caring for her and without him she's an unloved hag. Regina is low, shallow, and selfish and not worth sparing. If i was able to i'd kill her and not regret it at all. She slithers into people's hearts and manipulates them by saying they're bad when the only evil is her and she's just using twisted tactics to survive another day when the world would be so much happier with her dead. Destroying evil doesn't make you bad it just means you won't tolerate evil and evil can't be allowed to exist otherwise the world is always in danger. Snow White is beautiful but Regina is an ugly hag. Oh and one who has to rely on magic to get anything she wants because she's too lazy and weak to get it herself. Regina fills me with the kind of anger i hate and makes me want to see her head and evil heart ripped off and survived up to a fire. She has to be killed. I wish i could do it.
So a little girl should be responsible for an older woman's actions?
Dylan Parker Come again?
You're talking about how snow didn't keep Reginas secret. How that maybe be true, Snow didn't kill Reginas boyfriend, her mother did. How can you Blame a child for the actions of an adult?
The Snow-Regina scenes are always a treat! Goodwin and Parilla play off each other so well. Frankly, the Emma-Regina scenes pale by comparison.
Emma Chopping down that tree in season 1 didn't pale
@@omalleycaboose5937 yuh that was CHAOS
I believe Snow was half right when she said Cora never cared for Regina. I believe Cora cared for her in a selfish way, simply because she didn't have her heart. Honestly, I think Cora really wanted to reconcile with Regina, as seeing that Cora is powerful and smart enough to have found the dagger on her own without Regina, yet she sought Regina out anyway.
Well yea Cora didn't have her heart so she could only halfway love regina
She WAS right. Here Cora did not have her heart so she can't love Regina and most certainly not her son. Even if she might have had a bit of good intention, Regina trusting her so easily was....
Why is it that Regina, without her heart, is so different from Cora without her heart?
its kinda funny reading these comments....ppl saying how the charmings are so self righteous against regina...but forget that regina spent ages being self righteous against her own sister when her sister was trying to redeem herself. They're all self righteous to some degree, never willing to admit they have faults and make mistakes and aren't perfect. They all preach to each others faults without acknowledging their own. What a "curse".
"and what would you know about mothers?" THAT'S ironic considering you RAISED her Regina?!
exactly, regina has educated snow for than her become strong
Snow did handle this badly, I admit that, though nobody can fairly blame her for being out of patience with Regina. What Snow should have done was ask a simple question: "Regina, how many times has Cora promised to do something good for you...and how many times was it ever anything but a trick or a trap or a way to get you to do what _she_ wanted? Don't answer me, just answer it for yourself." Then Snow should have left Regina to think. I suspect that might have worked.
Well I don’t think this was a total failure. Regina was skeptical of Cora after this conversation. Just too little, too late I guess.
@@mckayleem3098 Regina's problem is that she loves her mother, at the same time that she hates her, and she _wants_ to believe that Cora cares about her and will help her, and she's still in denial about how bad her relationship with Henry is. Regina can't (yet) admit to herself that there's no scenario where something bad happens to Snow, David, and Emma, where Henry (and everybody else) won't naturally assume she did it. So even if Cora really did help her take Henry back by force, she'd end up with a son who genuinely hates and fears her. Of course my guess is that Cora would have killed Henry too as soon as she had Rumple's power, and probably Regina as well. Once she was Dark One, Regina would be a liability.
0:45 the imagery right here perfectly captures their situation. Regina’s perception is blurred and hazy but Snow can quite clearly see how this will end. Once again, bravo to the producers, camera people, editors, actors, etc.
Oh my wow
1:58
Woah... that was a low blow.
Well that’s what evil people do 😂
The hypocrisy of it all!!! Talking about being good, when she and David stole someone else's child.
Teh author forced them to do it. They had no control over there actions which is why the sorcerer trapped the author in the book.
An evil childs.....Naturally u believe evil parent evil offspring
The author influenced them but it was their choice. Emma says something to the effect that make something that implies this so does Snow.
Thank you. They nearly murdered that poor baby and screwed and scarred poor Maleficent to her death. Plus, David should've never have been instigating in Snow and Regina's business acting like he was the one being done wrong in the first place. That was not his beef
@KenyaGirly oh and the villagers were just saints by not protecting the other innocents by keeping their mouths shut over Snow's whereabouts? And of course no one forgets Maleficent's beef with Sleeping Beauty's family. But at least she was trying to find peace after she got her revenge. The Charmings never seemed to let that happen by abducting, banishing and almost murdering her infant daughter. Have you forgotten about that? And who says that the Charmings only did one bad thing? A lot of people in this comment section who understand where the villains are coming from can write out a whole list of things that went wrong because the heroes were such hypocrites and frauds. Even the Blue Fairy was such a fake snob and hypocrite. The dwarves were so blinded by her power that they sucked up to her and the other fairies. And then, the wolves. Granny decided to shut her mouth and cost dozens of innocent lives long before Regina came into power and let Red run around in a loop on a murder spree. Jefferson totally screwed Regina by conspiring with Rumpelstiltskin and Dr. Frankenstein to make her believe that their experiment wouldn't work to help her, and after everything she paid them, since she is the Queen. She had every right to punish Jefferson after he played her. Still don't know why Frankenstein was still in the Enchanted Forest when the first curse hit, since he's technically not from their land. But he deserved it too for lying. You see a fireball be thrown here and there at alleged innocents and suddenly those asskissers pain were more important than Regina's? The world's had it out for her since she was born, and everyone else just looked the other way. Wake up
I never understood how in series 2 when Cora came back, Regina could forgive Cora but not Snow White. Snow white didn't mean to hurt Regina, yes she couldn't keep a secret but she was only a child and she was manipulated by Cora into telling it. Cora was the one who crushed Daniels heart, knowing full well how it would break her daughter, killing the man she loved. I just found it messed up how Regina could forgive Cora but not Snow White.
let me tell you something at about of cora
she manipulating everyone since the start of the series
@@soixsantes Yeah I know, but I wish someone just spelled this out for Regina. Perhaps Regna thought Snow immediately ran off to tell Cora, but Snow did intend to keep her secret. But Cora manipulated her into telling it. If I was Snow I would tell Regina this, obviously Snow must have huge regret for what she did and what it caused. But deep down it wasn't actually her fault, it was Cora's, and Snow never seemed to use that at all for a defence.
@@sjn7688 exactly, and if you want my opinion at about of cora, it's she who should have been evil queen not regina
Cora is Regina's mother, Regina loved her and wanted her approval even after everything she did, they had a very toxic relationship, Cora was very manipulative and on her twisted and perverted ways she always made clear that everything she did was for Regina, this certainly put some kind of burden on Regina's back too, It was much easier for her to blame and hate Snow than Cora.
kenyagirly yeah lets ignore the abusive and corruptive and toxic people that she has dealt with
Snow and Regina came full circle when Snow crowned Regina as the Good Queen!
And do you really think Emma would be alive if they hadn't sent her to the wardrobe? She sent her men into the castle to kill her not to play tea party. And she had a choice w/ her father, he even begged her to run away w/ him and to let the hatred go. She could've just left w/him to another realm. She was banished from her own land anyway, no one would have come after her.
Snow has a point! She once fell for Cora's schemes, the very reason Regina turned evil and she learnt. But Regina, despite all her mother has done...still believes her.
let me tell you something at about of regina
she is manipulated by cora and she the knows it very well
Regina : You added evil to my name
This is the most STUPID dialugue ever. I cant believe she actually said that. I did know she was bad but i didnt know she was stupid too
I don't think she meant literally - I think this is a (admittedly weird) reference to 2x20 - the Evil Queen; Regina was living in denial and willing to change right up until the moment that Snow said there is no good in her and that there never was - taking away the hope she first gleaned when she recounted the story - does no one remember her sheathing the sword and afterwards throwing it down in a gesture of surrender - admittedly she tried to create the fireball first, or pretended to anyway
Regina only threw it down because she knew that Snow wouldnt attack someone defenseless. She always got everything through magic. Snow had been literally fighting for her life since the day her father died. Snow was gonna actually forgive regina that day ,but snow had not realised regina could be so evil as to kill an entire village, people whos only crime was to not give snows location. The same poeple who the "not evil" queen was supposed to protect.
I love how Snow always gives Regina chances
Snow isn't asking much of Regina- she's asking her not to try and murder everyone in the entire town with her mother. And Regina was a mass-murderer who committed countless atrocities against the inhabitants of Storybrooke. They have no responsibility to forgive her for that.
Glad someone else gets that
She clearly said she knows they won’t forgive her for that. Shes saying that the “good guys” are hypocrites.
@@deklin.14.official39that's not true
Regina is awesome, no matter what anybody else says.
This scene is so true for people who stick only to their side of the story. They never see the struggle of others and remain judgemental thinking that life as a norm should be confirmed to their idea of norm. Yeah snow white was good but based on naivety of the world rather than the true underlying struggle of an emotionally abused Regina
Yeah, no, I get that. The thing is, Regina doesn't because it is psychologically so much easier for her to blame Snow than her own mother. Regina's relationship with her mother is so utterly fucked up, but in the end Regina craves her mother's love more that anything because she never really had it. All of that makes her comment to Snow about mothers all the more heartbreaking because look at Regina's own mother. Personally, I love the Snow/Regina dynamic precisely for those reasons.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS SHOW! Regina ALWAYS knew the one guilty for everything that happened in her life was Cora, it was just easier for her to blame Snow because after all Cora was her mother, she loved her and she wanted her approval, while Snow was just a random kid who appeared in her life out of blue.
Man, Regina roasted Snow White there.
God I just LOVE the Snow and Regina scenes. Lana and Ginny are SO GOOD together, they always deliver the strongest scenes that always give me chills.
Cont--became enemies, she still had some trust in him.
I've never seen her admit to her crimes. She admitted that she had hurt Henry, and even then, she doesn't seem to learn much.
She was a bad queen--controlling the huntsman, killing the king, framing his daughter and trying to kill her, separating children from their parents, and willing to let her soldiers die in a battle, all for her revenge.
Just shows how completely incapable she is of taking responsibility for her actions and how entitled she feels to rain down misery on others just because life dealt her a bad hand.
You're still saying that even after what we have seen in season 3?
I think the way people argue with the characters, on who is good and who is bad isn't the point. I think this show was never truly about heroes or villains, it's just the background, heroes and villains share something in common : they try to hope, they try to forgive, they try to trust, and when they failed, that's when they're miserable. I think the show is about happiness and how to reach it (love, family, redemption). It was never about who is right and who is wrong.
Snow: Regina... You killed my father, and countless others, tried to kill me on multiple occasions. Gave up killing me only because you found a way to torture me for all eternity, but when I escaped that went back to trying to kill me. Oh and its all because of something I did when I was twelve. You also cast a curse on us to send us to this world, causing my daughter to grow up without me. So, you'll excuse me for thinking you're bad.
Regina: Well you couldn't keep a secret and when you found out you were pregnant and your daughter could be good or evil you kidnapped an unborn child and used blood magic to take your child's darkness and put it into someone else's child then banished that child and it's god parents to another realm. You lied to everyone about what happened and only finally told your daughter the truth because you were already caught. I may be evil but at least I've never kidnapped a child to use blood magic on it.
@@nicholasjohnson8191 Snow was only 10 when she blabbed Regina's secret and she legitimately believed Cora would do the right thing by Regina. In Snow's mind at the time, a mother was supposed to be nurturing and loving to their children, unconditionally. She never stopped to think that Cora didn't possess those traits because Cora tricked her into thinking that she did. There is no way, whatsoever, that you can possibly blame Snow for blabbing the secret. She was tricked into doing what she thought would lead to Regina's happiness.
@@Xylarxcode exactly Snow was tricked. if Snow knew that Cora was going to harm or Killed Regina or Daniel she wouldn't have told Cora anything.
@@nanalover4217 adult actions = adult responsability no kids.
@@nicholasjohnson8191regina did worse
They’re like polar opposite sisters 😭
Here the point is simple they are both right. Most of the time I do not like Snow very much 'cuase she has this aura of self-righteousness about her that makes me irk, and is true that Regina killed innocent people and curse them all but it all started with Snow being the cause of her love death. And don't forget the abuse Regina took from her mother and the fact that in this moment Cora is the only one at her side, where the Charming were when she needed them? They wanted to leave her behind or lock her in a dungeon so tell me Snow where her good deeds are then? Plus Regina tried so hard to be better she ingested a DEATH curse to save your life for chrst's sake and you didn't tell her even thank you, you tried to take her son away, you don't believe her when it matter and you most certainly are here in this moment not because you care about her but because united with her mother they are a danger so Regina has every right to be spitifeul and yes it was Snow who added evil to her name by telling her that there was no good in her, this was the final straw and Regina acted accordingly, I am not saying that she is a saint and she didn't do nothing worng I am simply saying that what she did was because she was broken and manipulated to do it, she could have been stronger and remain good but I would like to see you in her position, it isnt' all that simple....
Yes, an innocent mistake. Right, would you say that people have the right to murder because they've had their hearts broken? Snow has had her fair share of trouble. The Charmings didn't trust her, and can you blame them? She's given them so much pain, how can they suddenly believe that she wants to change?
Regina has done terrible things, and she was a terrible person. The Charmings had no reason to trust her. Snow's good deeds are being kind to those who were kind to her, helping her people in times of needs, refusing to back down when Regina threatened her. There are reasons why everyone in town likes Snow and was able to forgive her so easily, it's because she treats them nicely. Regina, even after becoming a hero is still quite an unlikable character (not to us watchers maybe, but definitely to those around her).
And you must remember that Snow just saw an entire village slaughtered by Regina when she said that, so yeah I don't think she was out of her rights.
***** I didn't say that what Regina did was an innocent mistake or that she had a right to do it, I simply stated a fact that all when we talk about Snow and her conveniently forget Regina was manipulated all her goddamn life to become the monster she became she couldn't become anything else, and yes I am well aware as she is that didn't excuse her is a fact plain and simple, and no I don't think that the Charmings are excusable because Emma has the power to detect lies and Regina was innocent and I understand that you don't trust her but the fact is that no matter what Regina did to prove them wrong they still kept pushing untill once again she has no other vaiable option than to trust her mother and excuse me but how is tricking a woman into killing her own mother better than what Regina did? At least she was honest with herself enough to do the bad things herself.
***** As someone who has four younger sisters; Snow was ten when she told Regina's secret to Cora. At that age, you're old enough to understand the value of a secret. Unless she was stupid, she should have known better. Although one of Snow's main character flaws seems to be how naive she is. She's not a BAD person, per say, but she's certainly not perfect. She has a very narrow, black-and-white view of the world and it clouds her judgement.
LordofFullmetal Agree! The problem is that this leads her to do things that always have dire consequences. And she doesn't, NEVER, apolozige or recognize her fault in them (Just once with Regina in the ep with Cora's ghost and just because Regina has become what she wanted her to be). She just keeps making excuses and justifications for herself that doesn't have the least bit of sense. I always despised and disliked her and this arc of season 4 is making me stay put more firmly on my conviction; that she really needs to open her eyes and get down of that pedistal where she sat herself a long time ago and understand that even if she is a hero she is still a human being with the capacity to do wrong and that when she does, she needs to face the consequences like everybody else. Because this idea that if you are a hero you don't get to suffer the consequences of your actions is simply and inequivocably ridicolous.
LordofFullmetal
Are you serious? Almost every 10 year old is naive. She only told Cora because she convinced Snow that she would do anything to make Regina happy. She didn’t know how vile and manipulative Cora was. Which makes her naive. Not to mention her intentions were to make sure Regina didn’t lose her mother like the she did.
I call her Evil Queen in Fairytale Land because (with all due respect) she was doing evil deeds, and she gained some enjoyment in what she did. I think a definite change happened to her in Storybrooke that changed her--Henry is certainly the key to her change. But I think, with time, if others open up, she can form more bonds, and that would be better for her. but at the same time, i understand the town's feelings towards her--they fear and hate her for what she has done and what she can do.
I love this scene so much; it's one of my favorites from the series!
Classic Regina, conventionally forgetting that she called herself the Evil Queen and was hated because she kept ordering the slaughter of entire villages because she blamed Snow for something Cora did.
for me regina was the evil incarnate when she was evil queen
Why doesnt regina tell snow about what she did maybe they'll change the way they treat her
was this before or after the writers put in that scene of her killing off that entire village?
that zoom into Snow's hand. nice touch. lol
Yep, as much as I love Regina she is in the wrong here.
Maybe Snow said "Evil Queen" first but ahe definitely lived up to that. She did horrible things and in the end she added Evil to her name herself.
Actually, the term "evil queen" was actually said by villagers who were daily terrorised on the daily in reginas efforts to find and kill snow white. But snow white had friends who were loyal. And for regina, that would not do.
ACTUALLY she set the curse when she found out that she could never hurt the charmings in their land again. As for everything that happened to Regina after snow told, I don't see how you can put the blame on her. She didn't know what telling would do. She didn't even know Cora was evil. Everything bad that has happened to Regina should be blamed on her mother, not the child she manipulated.
Nope. Manipulation only gets you so far. Regina _chose_ to walk the evil path she walked, out of hatred and power-hunger. She was manipulated, yes, but she was not forced, and she could have made other choices. It's true, of course, that Snow was innocent in Daniel's death, and I think deep down even Regina knew that. But Snow was a safer target for her rage than Cora, too.
@@shermanlee4037 no Regina chose that path out of anger and she wasn’t power hungered when she initially met Rumple. She’s been powerless and controlled her whole life by her mother, now she’s in an unwanted marriage where she’s basically property. She discovers she has magic, she hates it because her mother makes it look evil but now that she’s in another powerless situation she views it as an out. What do u so when ur back is against the wall and ur hurt and angry?? Magic gave her power and she was still innocent until her grief and anger turned into hatred. Which is quite common for human beings
@@901stinababy Sorry, but that's wrong. Yes, Regina was a victim and manipulated by Cora and Rumple...up until she used magic for the first time. Then, as she herself admitted, it scared her, 'because I loved it!'
Once she tasted power, she liked it. She became contemptuous of the commoners, we saw her show that with Archie in the first season and with the commoners in the flashbacks. She offered to let Snow go if Snow would just let her take the throne without resistance. She convinced herself that _Snow_ was the problem and that she would be popular with the commoners if Snow was just dead.
Regina _craves_ power. Some of the roots of that are in Cora's treatment of her, but a lot of it is that she takes after Cora in a lot of ways.
And as for what do you do when your back is to the wall...after she learned magic Regina's back was _not_ to the wall. She could have gone ahead with her early plan to run away, nobody could have stopped her. Instead she committed the crimes she committed and cast the Curse.
@@shermanlee4037 of course she was going to love it, wouldn’t you like it if you had magic and used it to finally get rid of ur mom who killed ur boyfriend. You could obviously tell she felt guilty she did love it. Like I said initially she wasn’t power hungry she just wanted enough to bring Daniel back and once she realized that she couldn’t that’s when she went off the rails and was like fuck it let’s use it to hurt people instead. She didn’t run away because she wanted to learn from Rumple plus where would she go, she’s running away from a king. What about her father.
That conversation she had with her father before her wedding is a good example of how she hated feeling angry and wasn’t power hungry. Regina didn’t start off being the Evil Queen, there are times when she tried to hold on to her innocence.
@@901stinababy Where would she go? Anywhere she wanted. She had an entire world to choose from, and Leopold is not a tyrant or a cruel man. (I know a lot of fanfic writers try to write him that way to get Regina 'off the hook', but that's wishful thinking.) He would not have had her hunted down or killed if she fled.
Now, yes, he read her diary, and rightly so, and yes, he couldn't let her have an affair or otherwise undercut the Crown...but he's not a monster and nothing bad would have happened to her father if she left.
She stayed because Rumple 'hooked' her with a taste of power. It's as simple as that. The scene where it happens makes that crystal clear.
I think the main issue I have is that Regina trusts the wrong people, and she attacks the wrong people. People like Snow White and Prince Charming are not the ones to blame for some of her misery.
I will disagree here--I have never seen Regina apologize to anyone other than Henry, though that is not a surprise, either. My main problem is that I don't think she feels that she did anything wrong. This scene here is proof.
I've never seen her look remorseful for many of her crimes--Cont
I never said that Regina didn't have a hard life--in fact, in some ways, I relate to her on that. But to say that Regina never had a choice is almost an excuse to all that she has done, and she has done much. No one forced her to go after a young girl for a mistake. No one forced her to control the huntsman that way she did. That was all her.
Did Rumpelstiltskin take advantage of her? Yes, he did. But she always had the choice, and she made her choice.
And even after she and Rumpelstitlskin--
"It was you who added Evil to my name."
All the people she mass murdered: 😐
for me regina was the evil incarnate when she was evil queen
And I have 3 songs from movie for Regina
The Swan Princess 3: Bad Days Ahead
A Troll in Central Park: The Queen of mean
Descendants disney - song: If Only
Regina : "What would you know about mothers"
In This dialogue i lost all my respect for regina and i hate her now most in Once Upon A Time.
Regina was just throwing shade this whole scene 😂
exactly, And she was the evil embodied when she was Evil Queen
She probably would have also recieved some form of rehabilitation, as well.
And thank you very much--you've been polite as well and really awesome. :) Sadly, many fandoms get into heated debates, and have siad some unpleasent words. It is easy to forget at times that this is a TV show and it is meant to be viewed and enjoyed by people.
I'm fine with the idea of the grey area, and Regina is a very well developed character, but I think Regina kind of lost that argument after what she did with Hansel and Gretel. Then it just kept building up afterwards.
2:00 Gee,maybe the tiny,"insignificant" fact that Cora killed Snow's mother might tell you something
Giving who the both of them were talking to one another I thought the conversation would well blow up. Lucky for both of them that they are caught each other on one another's good days. Given the history that these two have with each other. I really did thought that this conversation that they were having would go south and sour.
Exactly! Very well said. The Regina fan club has gone insane. The sentiment seems to be "Regina made a few small mistakes in her past that people won't forgive her for. Screw those self-righteous meanies."
However, if you did a recap of all the terrible things she's done, you'd be hard pressed to find a villain as evil as her. Of course that evil is "all Snow's fault" for some reason.
i think because she's the legit queen of the kingdom (should've been) , and she and the prince are considered by the people to be the real leaders of the kingdom.
I agree with you on Rumpelstiltskin being glorified--I like him at times, but everytime he does something wrong, the majority seem to laugh it off or cheer him. And when other characters get hurt or angered with him (and usually the they have a good reason) those characters become hated.
I will agree with you to an extent about Regina having too much blame--for the most of what I've read, there is reason in what is written. But I've also read some posts that get a bit extreme at times with her.
Rumple gave her a chance and choice between power and love and cora decided to choose power. You cant blame rumple for that.
0:34 when I get caught in a lie🤦🏾♂️
Snow is so self righteous and acts like she can do no wrong even though she literally gave an innocent child a huge potential for darkness just so that she could have a perfect little princess for a daughter. The whole time that she and charming are on their high horse about “good doesn’t do what you do”, well good doesn’t do what she did either.
you love snow you too ?
@@soixsantes ??
@@intj4654 snow, it's a character than you have loved or not ?
@@soixsantes no I generally don’t like snow. She always thinks she’s so much more “good” than everyone else. She does this while ignoring some pretty awful things that she’s done. I definitely think her character is needed in the story, but I’ll always be on Regina’s side. Snow just looks at the bad things the “villains” did without considering what led them to do those things and the trauma they went through.
Snow really pisses me off sometimes
THE SASSSSSS I LOVEEEE
love u sooo much SNOW, she is the best. i felt so bad for her when she found out that cora murdered her mother and then killed the old lady in front on snow
I love Regina😍
I was always the queen it was u who added evil 2 my name
Well considering you killed several villages, sent dozens of kids to face a cannibalistic witch, imprisoned an innocent person to spite the person you are in a power struggle with, enslaved a guy for 28 years at least and then murdered him, murdered your father, cast a curse, and did a lot of other horrible things, you really loved up to the evil part of your name.
OMG how they closed in to David mother's ring
Such an intense scene. Yet in respects both are valid in their points. But Regina's last dig was there to pierce.
im so sad for regina she was my favorite character if she's not evil
Cont--like when she sent the children to the Blind Witch, or was willingly to let soldiers die for her vengeance, or enslaving the huntsman.
For the time being, Henry is the most important person to her, and he is the only one that can truly instill remorse. But I also think that is the problem--focusing on one person in her life has turned it all into a fixaion. An unhealthy one.
You know what always confused me, the fact that Regina's resentment towards snow wasn't actually revealed until after the king died, snow grew up thinking she had a loving step mother, and regina acted the part, so why isn't that mentioned very often?
Because that's not what happened. Regina herself said in a scene that she was an awful stepmother. She pretented to be nice sometimes but backstabbed her too much and tortured her like in s5 flashback episode when she hired bandits just to make snow think that shes weak and torture her emotionally
That's willing to start over from nothing with you and this child comes along and ruin it and not only do you have to go back doing the thing you hate most but the person you loved who could keep you sane... is killed for it. That's what some if us see!
Actually, no one thinks of theirselves as bad. They see themselves as good people who sometimes, if they admit it, make mistakes but no one sees themselves as bad, and have their own justifications for doing what they are doing
That's actually not true.
“You’ve earned enough goodwill with me” are you serious ??
The only thing Snow _owes_ Regina is nothing. Zero. ZILCH. The debt is rom Regina to Snow.
I don't get how ANYONE in their right mind can root for Regina to win over Snow or that somehow in EVERYTHING she's done she's justified. She blamed a 7 y.o for the actions of her witch mother. She killed said 7 year old's father. Regina then killed her OWN father to enact a curse that ruined thousands of lives, a curse that she got BORED with after a month in Storybrooke. She forced two people to send their hour old baby into a TREE b/c she wanted the baby (her own step-granddaughter) dead.
HelloGudbye93 As much as Regina was wrong sometimes there’s always been things about Snow that made fans dislike her.
I really don't understand how people can hate Regina. Sure, she did bad things, but that doesn't make her completely evil, I mean, she tries to be better, specially for Henry and that's what matters. It's easy to stay good when you are good, but it takes guts to change your ways.
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“She did bad things.” No in the real world she would be sentenced to death or life so I wouldn’t consider what she had done just “bad things.”
By that logic, if Charles Manson said he was sorry, he should be released from jail. But even if he really was seriously sorry and no longer a threat...how would anyone else know for sure? The same logic applies to the townsfolk and Regina. She's very, very lucky they didn't string her up in reality the way they did in her nightmare. If it wasn't for Henry, they probably would have.
Evil has the best stylists.
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Can you upload the scene where Snow finds Charming lknocked out, please?
Actually, it was rumples fault she became evil indirectly. Rumple loved Cora but she chose power instead of her love for him, she was most likely thrown out of the throne, and wanted her daughter to be Queen one day and couldn't love Regina with out a heart.
Regina is my favorite character in this whole show, and honestly...Snow, Charming and Cora are my least favorite. Regina suffered so much! When Emma was trying to take Henry from her and claimed he was her son, I was like “EXCUSE ME? Regina is his legal mother, raised him from a child, took care of him when he was sick and protected him! All Emma ever did for him was cause him to skip school and almost die!”
Sherman Lee Regina adopted henry because she wanted a child to love and adore, and to have someone who’d love her for her and not her mistakes or past. Henry may have been aging but then again she has magic that can preserve his aging, or she would’ve left town with him etc. Regina did many mistakes, and that includes convincing Henry he was crazy. She wanted him to see her as his mother who loved him, and not some evil queen who banished a bunch of idiots. And the EVIL QUEEN may have inflicted damage on many people, but she changed FOR HER SON. That was until Cora came in and tricked everyone into believing Regina was evil again. Not to mention Cora is very manipulative towards Regina so it’s not surprising Regina took her side since she felt alone without HER SON. Don’t try calling Regina a bad mother because she’s the one who took Henry in and raised him and LOVED HIM, and never abandoned him. She always did what was best for him and any mistakes she committed were out of good for her son, and she realized her mistakes as well.
Daydream I agree 100%
@@qxyzzz Regina adopted Henry because she felt a void inside and wanted something to fill it. She only came to love him afteward, and even then it was a tainted, twisted love. She no no intention of leaving town with him, the town was her empire where she could torment her victims, and we have no idea if she could stop his aging or not, nor do we know if he would even _want_ that after he realized what a nightmare Storybrooke was and how evil she was.
@@qxyzzz Trying to convince Henry was was crazy was not a 'mistake', it was child abuse. There's no use trying to pretty this up. Yes, she wanted him to see her as his loving mother, and not the Evil Queen who kidnapped an entire kingdom, brainwashed them, and trapped them where she could torment them for fun. The trouble is that she _was_ that Evil Queen, and Henry was simply seeing the truth. I call Regina a bad mother because Regina was a very bad mother. Simple fact. She took in Henry, and _sort of_ loved him, but she also had him trapped in a magical town where he was utterly alone and she was attacking his sanity. She _never_ did what was best for him, until well after the Curse broke, because breaking the Curse _was_ what was best for him. Her 'mistakes' were not for Henry's sake, they were driven by hatred and power lust and sadism. There is _no way_ to soft-pedal canon Regina's crimes. The only way to make her look less bad it just to play 'let's pretend' and rewrite the canon like an AU fanfic.
Sherman Lee Regina never abused henry in a HEAVY emotional sense. She simply tried to convince Henry that the truth wasn’t real. Which sounds bad, but she didn’t want her problems to interfere with her child. Yes she was the Evil Queen, but to Henry she was importantly his mother. If I were Regina I would’ve done the same. Who wants their child to learn about the bad things they did? She didn’t trap Henry in a prison where she was turning him psychotic tf? That would be what the Black Fairy did to Emma. Why would she adopt a child simply to make them feel alone and trapped forever? If anything Henry was the petulant child who kept calling his mom an Evil Queen when she didn’t even do anything to HIM. And simply adored him to death, and wanted to live happily with him. But no he saw her as an evil queen who apparently mistreated him immensely, and preferred to love the woman who abandoned him. After Henry fully learned about Regina’s past. She learned to change for OTHERS, not her son. Calling her a bad mother is like calling Emma a good mother. And she abandoned him lmao. Seriously stop degrading Regina as a mother by bringing up her minor parental mistakes, and conflicts with other people.
This! :)
Finally Regina listened to Snow in Miller's Daughter... And what did she get?! Cora's death !
Regina and Snow have always a very bad timing !
I'm on retinas side
I’m almost done Season 5 now, and I have to say Regina is my favourite character. I like her complexity, I like how she’s been working on being a good person, rather than forever being known as The Evil Queen. I like how she has that conflict within herself, something that all of us struggle with at some point or other. Overall, none of these characters are all good or all evil, like people in the real world.
its silent in there like no one else is talking so does that mean everyone can hear snow and regina's conversasion?
Regina might be evil but I Believe
Henry has made her have a change of heart
the life of regina has completely changed when henry is came into her life
1:24 yeah she’s got a point there
snow calls herself good when she herself has done horrible things.
1. she killed Cora
2. she and charming put darkness/evil into maleficents daughter which sent her away to another realm. Like who who does that just ensure that there will be no darkness in your child
3. she sent who daughter to an unknown land as a baby. She basically abandoned Emma. Im surprised Emma wasn't mad at her parents for doing that
Emma King - 1. She killed Cora in a combat situation to stop her from taking Rumple's power and becoming the Dark One. She did in a harsh way, but it was completely justified.2. She did what she did with Maleficent out of terror for her own child. Not a justification, but understandable and nothing like Regina's crimes.3. She put Emma into the unknown land because if she didn't, _Regina was going to murder her_ . Emma _was_ angry about it at the end of S1 and early S2, until it sunk in that the alternative was dead Emma.
This is the same Cora that killed Regina’s lover Daniel
it's besides the reason for which I always hated cora
Given that Regina has killed Snow's father, caused the seperation of her daughter, murdered innocents to find Snow and much more, Snow is in the right.
Don’t Snow and Charming take Malificents kid tho
@@mattiemccarthy9102 That's nothing to do with this situation though
cactash5761 how about blame the author? Problem solved
I looovvvveeee Reeeggggiiiinnnaaasss clothessssss
My god. 'What would you know about mothers' BUUUUUURRRRRNNNNJN. Snap!
They absolutely did. Snow and Charming needed a villain and they put that burden on her
for me regina was the best villain of the season 1
Regina is the real "product" form by toxic family. If she born into normal and loving family, I am 100% sure she will be the most kindess woman.
unfortunately regina is manipulated by cora who manipulates her for her demonic projects
OMG you guys r taking this to the extreme Regina ks f
I get tired of you guys talking about Snow she doesn't try to portray herself as this perfect woman because she's not. What I like about Snow's character is that she's just as flawed and damaged as Regina but she chooses to take the high role whereas, Regina chooses to act out like a child. I like both characters but it's crazy how people make excuses for Regina because of who her mother is but as we all saw that didn't affect Regina at all because she once had a heart as pure as snow. All Snow did was offer her yet another second chance to do what's right but many of you missed that and decided she wanted to act all self-righteous which wasn't the case.
How is Snow damage? Her mother died which is tragic, but that's it. Its like a dime compared to a quarter.
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Regina killed her father and Cora killed mother and to top it off Regina went on a rage for years to kill Snow. So yea it is a dime compared to a quarter. Regina didn't have a hard life she just had a crazy witch for a mother. As I said before Cora being the way she was didn't effect Regina because she was pure and sweet. She only allowed hatred in once Daniel died because a secret Snow told as a child. Still Snow finds ways to reach out and try to mend the fence, but it is Regina who pushes her away not Snow. As stated I love both characters but I think many of you only side with Regina because of Cora when in reality Cora wasn't a factor at all.
Regina has an overbearing mother who makes her feel like shit who killed her lover and a weak father who couldn't do shit for her. O and she has to marry an old ass man who probably raped her ass. All she ever wanted was love and freedom. but she couldn't ever get them. Granted I don't think all the blame should be placed on Snow, but she was blinded by anger and she need someone to blame. Snow was an easy target. All in all Snow got everything, Regina didn't get shit.
sexicapicorn
Wait how crazy is it that Cora set Regina up to marry her old love I just remembered she once loved Snow's father. Any who we don't know if she was being raped so we cannot say. Yes Cora was overbearing, but again Regina still managed to find peace and love so obviously her mother didn't bother her too much. Yea I know she made her feel less than at times, but she was ready to leave and be with Daniel. I just think many over look how she started out and just blame Cora and Snow for her problems when she's only the one to blame.
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Well I read what you wrote and I somewhat agree, I do think she did certain things to spite her mother, but I also believe being good was just her nature you cannot fake that I'm sorry that was her true nature. Yes Cora was a piece of work and yes Daniel was her safety net, but Regina had no idea that her mother spelled Snow's horse but she went to save her anyway because she was good at heart. Nothing about Regina IMO is complex. I believe losing Daniel and finding out why and how broke her which allowed her mother ways to take control of her. Also, even when she did start to become "Evil" she met Tinker Bell and we saw that good Regina again, but as you said she thought good doesn't get her anywhere so she ran away from Robin. Yes, Snow was a brat but her mother changed that and Snow carried that throughout life. Snow receiving love from her parents doesn't take away the fact that Cora and Regina took them away from her and then made her run for her life. I agree Regina is very lost in darkness, but the point I'm trying to make is that when she's given the chance to control her own fate and do good she chooses evil. Now I will say I'm loving this new Regina good but with a twist she'll go to a limit the others may not to get the job done and I appreciate that Regina. Rumple we don't have much back story on him other than the fact that his Father made Cora look like "Mother of The Year." When it comes to Rumple like Regina I want them good but with that dark twist. I'm not making Snow no more damaged than Regina I'm just saying that they have been through things and neither one should get special treatment because of it.
This is why I hate all the charming except Henry because they are all self righteous and always refer to themselves as hero’s it like YOU HAVE DONE MORE SHITTY THINGS THEN THE FUCKING VILLIANS GET OVER YOUR SELF. and I know Regina does end up call herself a hero but she earned that right and she says it like 3 time unlike the charming who say it in every episode
she played her role in Regina being the way she is now but her mother is the one who takes the came her and rumple. It kills me how everyone looks to her like a monster when it was rumple who made her taught her. but they treat him like damn near roalty.
I like Regina's scarf
Snow sometimes annoys me. She always thinks good always win, well it does but you just have to understand that "evil" has their side of the story too
Snow really did have all the audacity
snow tries to make understand at regina that cora is a threat and she's right
@@soixsantes bit given their past ESPECIALLY in relation to Cora, Snow should have had both a totally different tone and approach. She always wanted to be the paragon of good but she fucked up a lot
@@TheCollectorsSin honestly snow is too nice
@@TheCollectorsSin I understand what you mean: knowing Snow, she could have done a bit better approaching her, especially since she knows Regina's fragility now and standing on the edge ... and I agree she fucked up there.
But then again, I cannot blame her for losing patience and being like this here, she has given Regina so many chances now, and she still believes in her, and it started paying off, and now Regina is about to throw it all away. And Regina should know Snow and especially Henry are believing in her, and especially for Henry she should think twice about what she is doing, and also knowing her mother she should know how cautious she has to be of her.
But then again, Cora is a master of manipulation ... well it is difficult.
@@magemaster724 you are right for cora, if you want my opinion, it's she who should have been evil queen not regina
Regina is in the wrong here, she earned that title all by herself, and Snow still found it in her heart to forgive her for everything she has done to her, and Snow did see an entire village being killed, so Snow has had every reason not to belive Regina
Everyone called her the Evil Queen and she was upset by the fact they called her that. But then after she went in disguise with Snow, she went back to Rumple's castle and decided to adapt to the "Evil" moniker.
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That’s because she IS the Evil Queen.
Can you upload the scene where emma and henrry are in manhattan and Henrry asks rumple if he needs anything and rumple snaps on him saying that he was the one who caused it Please
how dose snows hart have no darkness she killed people while fighting the queen
maybe because it was the demonic guards of the queen, they were of villains too
@@soixsantes I mean yeah but if we're looking at a good and bad perspective Snow should be stained too. Because murder is bad ya know?
@@lhiannestacruz426 you are right, but cora deserved to die, during of years, she has made suffer snow
Well she was fighting to protect innocent people from being slaughted so she was doing for a good reason and if she didn't she would be leaving them for Regina ro torture for failing
She does 20,000 things wrong to the charming family and then the minute someone tries to fight back she's up in arms about how she's the victim. She attacked David after his entire family fell through a portal trying to save HER butt, turned Belle into a hooker b/c she found out Henry's father was in town, tried to turn her own "son" into a mindless robot, & tried to blow up the entire town after she wasn't invited to FTL by the family she's trying to annihilate every 5 minutes. She's a child.