• SUMMARY • By implimenting right policies , by controling population growth , by giving more attention to agriculture sector, employement , assets to people (land) , - how productivity of land should increase , irrigation facelities • equitable growth (All sectors should grow equally ? But how ? By investment - specially in health care)- so people don’t go back to poverty again , utilization of human resource ( provide job to youth) - it will give spiral benefits , UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME , antyodya scheme • saxena report , rangarajan report
balwinder singh bro #UBI is far approach In current scenario there are challenges for govt to provide basic income for all !! I hope u understand my point
Those who havent been into the poor state or situation can tell about the ground reality, call people who r living in poverty line. They will give u facts, problems and solution too
yes Jeevan. Very good question put forward by u. In my opinion despite lot of welfare schemes, policies for poverty eradication , poverty is not yet eradicated because of lack of education facility in rural area and insufficient employment for educated in both rural as well as in urban. And other reason is these policies are not implemented satisfactorily with wisdom or with nation building interest at grass roots level. I'm from rural area, I feel I'm entitled to admit the fact that, the people still elect bad people during Panchayat elections. One reason is due to fear of some local leader and other reason is lack of good people coming forward and contesting in elections. When such people occupy constitutional bodies, how come we may expect policies going to be implemented completely without corruption. Govt can't do everything, we, educated youth must educate our rural/urban people to participate in nation building process by choosing good leaders. I think we can do it!
Ajay Dua Sir have covered almost every point so precisely ..very rightly said focus on agriculture which can leverage somehow creation of jobs,rural India problems n population growth as well. Extend the time to 1 hour.
Government reforms should be implemented properly not just on papers but on the ground level, population should be controlled, incentivize agriculture sector, employment should be accessed.
Corruption is the biggest challenge to poverty alleviation.For 70 years various governments has only announced,allocated funds in the name of poor,food security. But never cared to find out whether those funds have reached the right places or not. Be it money meant for NREGA or food grains of ration shops. So there is no need of implementing newer schemes. Existing schemes are enough and ensure they reach the right places be the top priority.
You Nurture a social sector like education and it will resonate across all sectors with improved sanitation , birth control , malnutrition , access to govt schemes , accountability of officials , poverty , skill development .................the issue is the political class (be it Congress ,BJP and others ) wants to keep indian public subservient so as to play caste , class and religion card and win over emotions by politics of appeasement........ since independence the Indian political class has seen a consistent decline in terms of leadership which is hand in glove with some corporates and media houses ...... A leadership crisis is what this nation faces ....... we need a visionary.......
Eradication of Poverty in India steps needed- 1) Improve Agricultural sector: 60%+ population are directly or indirectly engaged in agriculture and allied activities. We can learn from Israel and become a large exporter of food and raw materials. 2) Improve connectivity: Thanks to the present govt. Infrastructure projects are getting a lot of priority but completion of the projects needs to be emphasized. 3) Make education more practical: we need education that gives us more skills not just knowledge. More vocational programs and institutes should be spread far and wide. 4) Encourage Innovation : projects like Startup India which gives support to innovative business and ideas needs to be made a priority. 5) Skilled Youth: Skill India is a good program. 6) Minimise damages from natural and man made disasters. 7) Peaceful society= Happy Population= Increase productivity 8) Education policies should be made keeing in mind the future society, future challenges, future jobs. Like A.I age new jobs, new challenges. To name a few...
It is very quixotic to say that we can eradicate poverty as it is a very long and hard process. What is relevant to say is that we can eliminate the difficulties poor section of society is facing. Beacouse it is the basis on which we can talk about eradication of poverty.
From various collected data it is very clear that out of total number of BPL majority are from farming community. Govt needs to ensure a minimum basic income for then.This job is not impossible though it may be quite difficult. The govt. can spend some 10000 crore for OROP and many more for 7th pay commission, then why not some for farmers.Moving ahead with "jay jawan jay kishan" this should be prioritize by the govt.The prime objective should be equitable distribution of resources and growth in inclusive terms.
How many of you people think that population control is very important, in coming days or in future it may results into a humerous problem if there is no proper family planning???
i think there are so many policy in every govt like mgnrega,nrlm,trysem and many other schemes but i think so there is lack of implementation in gross root level of administration and lack of educating the people in rural areas about the particular scheme
I think the most important to eradicate poverty is to access to education, skill development by investing more on human development so problem of population which is not made burdon on india but it will make super power india
From My Point of View 1.Land Reforms Was Imp Bcz of Most People Engaged To Agriculture..Like China.. 2.After That Skill Development,Only 2% of Labour Force Having Skills.. 3.Promote Entrepreneurship In Rural Ares. 4.Avoid Trickle Down Theory..Policies from Bottom to top will imp 5. Implement PDS,MGNREGA..Etc..without any Leakages..
how policies from bottom to top will work; this is not swachh bharat where different dimensions needed at district or gram level; niti aayog working with state govts and suggesting ays for employemnt generation; investment needed at bottom level is beyond domain of state finance ;this brings centre and their policy
My Point is..Policies draw from What The Problems In ground level..In India Top Level problems Diff from Ground level Problems..For Example..Caste Domination More At Village Levels..Landlords They Are Mostly From Upper Caste..seemachal singh..........
In 5 yrs ..almost imp Equitable growth is required..growth is there ..reasonable..not equitable.. Investment Health care facility By creating capacity of state govt
The biggest step we can take to reduce unemployment and improve the nations health is to redistribute more tax money to sanitation, waste management, parks and forest management and road maintenance. There needs to be more dog pound, stray cattle and animal pest control to improve the health and well being of the overall nation. More recycling facilities are also required. There needs to be a all India plan to build proper safe pavements beside ALL types of roads so that people can be encouraged to atleast walk more, safely, than succumb to the motorcycles, scooters and cars for short distances.
Inflation has raising day to day.. but bank cutt basic liquidity (internet Rate) that a way to gain common man should maintain there income from there saving deposit.. level on inflations..!! It's mean that, bank must give minimum interest rate on saving equal to inflations rate..
I was wondering that While discussing the need to better monitoring and implementation of the schemes, Potential of Aadhar Act wasn't discussed, given that Corruption is one of the major reason behind poor implementation of the various schemes. Also As a country we are much more interested in implementation of new schemes rather than trying to find out what went wrong with previous schemes and how they could be refined. I believe that instead of making schemes and rules to be more complex, we should rely more on feedback from actual beneficiaries eg. Social/Public Audit. Also I feel, Mr. Jindal hardly brings anything significant in discussions and keeps going round and round about some petty point.
there is a lot of schemes in india related to eradicate poverty but there implementation is not effective and till now any government not taken account the recommendation of so many report
You can't have poverty discussion with Babus/Politicians. They probably created corruption (irrigation?) siphoning government money. Indian rich/middle class SELFISH mindset is a problem to solve poverty in India. Their not helping 100 marginalized people around them in health, education etc. is a huge bottleneck. All well fed Indians want government to solve poverty problem. Slums are in their own backyard, Domestic labour is coming to their homes, Poor/RTE kids are in their kids class, but these well fed Indians think that it is not their problem to solve. Educated women will solve overpopulation problem by having fewer kids and raising them well.
I think Tracy is way better than Frank. He has a set pattern and doesn't change it according to the mood of the debate and always ends by asking what's the way forward. I feel Tracy is way better in this regard.
Nitish Nair I've been watching this show since last 2 years... Frank doesn't get uncomfortable while asking questions and gives equal time to each penalist.. ak bhattacharya hard got to speak who in my opinion is most knowledgeable among all 4, not that others are not. Frank keeps his opinion to minimum not like Tracy who starts explaining every time she gets a chance...
Saurabh Nagar dude i'd keep the personal comments to a minimum and i don't care how long you have been watching this show. None of the anchors on RSTV get uncomfortable while asking questions, and Tracy too gives equal time to all panelists and if you did listen closely, she just gives a gist of what the panelist wanted to say instead of getting her opinions in. She picks up from what the panelists say instead of Frank who just focuses on his pre set questions. Anyways i am not criticising anyone just presenting my observations you or anyone has the right to disagree. Peace.
A request, Kindly do not invite the first speaker. He has never added anything to the debate and speaks very generalised language. You may fill in the space with someone more substantial with regards to topic.
To create job, we need some kind of restriction to foreign co. And let the our country men to do their own things as we were doing in the past. Let them produce and create job in their own area. Dont allow foreign co to be in.
we are poor because we are selfish to us we do not help to self. we always beg help from others not from us who can help you the most. read strongly class 10 help to self to read class ten and help others to read class ten as much as possible because all government exams in India starts with class 10 math gk etc but all you have no interest in this. you all want to become gyani but your base is like mud not strong. if you complete class ten then take technical education like vocational course certificate course in more than 1000 stream mostly the trade you have in your home if in your home you have a cycle repairing shop then you should take at first cycle repairing trade then degree then phd etc but basic should be strong just like you have a furniture you have carpentry if have barber shop then trade is barbery etc make own website or youtube channel or blogs and apps and become hero all my poor friends please dont cry but try with selfhelp. See youtube video for free knowledge. If you have data to see dirty video why not you see knowledgeful video?
To every man reading this comment, I say this- The main cause of poverty in India is Indians themselves. We have created a monster of corruption in the form of this welfare state that was the wet dream of our freedom fighters. Welfare states have and will fail in the future because they encourage lethargy. The general mindset of people is so shamefully indoctrinated by the idea of entitlement through welfare states that it becomes an aspiration and a mass delusion. Of course free healthcare for all is a great thing.But is it possible? We end up paying to scums in politics, bureaucracy and lower level officials. The academicians don't want to budge from their position because it will mean they have accepted the defeat of their idealism. The bureaucracy does not talk about it in public because it has enjoyed welfare state the most to its advantage. The poor of the nation are kept drugged- hallucinating about a utopia of an equal society. The only solution to India's problems - Mind it, I say with much thought and years of work in the area- is to fully and immediately adopt free market capitalism.
What about the psychological consequences of it. A society is not merely run by economics but also by psychology. People will have relative deprivation in free market capitalism.
Your understanding of welfare state is very flawed and stupid. Today all states, including USA ,are welfare states. Read basic economics before making sweeping comments. USA spends billions of dollars on farmers subsidies and social security.
@@pankaj_IAS_Academy I'm pretty sure I have read more economics than you will ever read. But I will not go down the path of one upping some stranger in a mud slinging contest. I stand with what I said.
So , what are the initiatives the government is undertaking to prevent unbridled growth in population. What about the very effective idea of "ham 2 Hamare 2" . I don't understand where the problem lies. Why don't the government come up with a bill to restrict the multiple child birth ? Why don't we learn from China ? Are we waiting for a population disaster to devastate our country and the whole world. Think , resources are not growing, but population is growing rapidly. Please reply your views.
Nidhi gupta In Democracy, harsh population policies can land the ruling Party in political disadvantage. The Policy should be a Persuasive one, unlike Coercive one followed in China.
whatever they say words should match deeds but people with lots kids are in jobs and controllers had not got one give insentives on dying provide peaceful death if we can't take care of them put heavy tax on each birth and govt permission by showing income before child birth .
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Two things will help the most:
-formalization of the economy
-allowing room for free enterprise, and getting rid of state socialism
• SUMMARY
• By implimenting right policies , by controling population growth , by giving more attention to agriculture sector, employement , assets to people (land) , - how productivity of land should increase , irrigation facelities
• equitable growth (All sectors should grow equally ? But how ? By investment - specially in health care)- so people don’t go back to poverty again , utilization of human resource ( provide job to youth) - it will give spiral benefits , UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME , antyodya scheme
• saxena report , rangarajan report
balwinder singh bro #UBI is far approach
In current scenario there are challenges for govt to provide basic income for all !!
I hope u understand my point
balwinder singh thanks
Implementation of Government policies within a systematic and time bound manner could solve this problem. Action is needed beyond discussions !
Mr Jindal is in a situation like a upsc aspirant, who does not know the answer, but still trying to attempt it in order to complete the paper :D
Former Secretary has rightly said that we should look into the growing population, it will play a crucial role in eradication of poverty ..
Prithvi Raj over population is mother of all of India's major problems
Those who havent been into the poor state or situation can tell about the ground reality, call people who r living in poverty line. They will give u facts, problems and solution too
TRANSPARENCY TRUTH AND TOTAL COMMITMENT WOULD ULTIMATELY ROCK THE SHOW
Nice point put forward by all panelist👍..I wonder despite having excellent academicians and policy makers why Poverty is not eradicated from India
jeevan Main problem is implementation.
shubham yeah true
yes Jeevan. Very good question put forward by u. In my opinion despite lot of welfare schemes, policies for poverty eradication , poverty is not yet eradicated because of lack of education facility in rural area and insufficient employment for educated in both rural as well as in urban. And other reason is these policies are not implemented satisfactorily with wisdom or with nation building interest at grass roots level.
I'm from rural area, I feel I'm entitled to admit the fact that, the people still elect bad people during Panchayat elections. One reason is due to fear of some local leader and other reason is lack of good people coming forward and contesting in elections.
When such people occupy constitutional bodies, how come we may expect policies going to be implemented completely without corruption. Govt can't do everything, we, educated youth must educate our rural/urban people to participate in nation building process by choosing good leaders. I think we can do it!
Ajay Dua Sir have covered almost every point so precisely ..very rightly said focus on agriculture which can leverage somehow creation of jobs,rural India problems n population growth as well. Extend the time to 1 hour.
The discourse has by and large remained antique or cliche in nature; there is nothing to take away much from it.
Government reforms should be implemented properly not just on papers but on the ground level, population should be controlled, incentivize agriculture sector, employment should be accessed.
Thoughtful , having some substantial key solutions
Corruption is the biggest challenge to poverty alleviation.For 70 years various governments has only announced,allocated funds in the name of poor,food security. But never cared to find out whether those funds have reached the right places or not.
Be it money meant for NREGA or food grains of ration shops.
So there is no need of implementing newer schemes. Existing schemes are enough and ensure they reach the right places be the top priority.
You Nurture a social sector like education and it will resonate across all sectors with improved sanitation , birth control , malnutrition , access to govt schemes , accountability of officials , poverty , skill development .................the issue is the political class (be it Congress ,BJP and others ) wants to keep indian public subservient so as to play caste , class and religion card and win over emotions by politics of appeasement........ since independence the Indian political class has seen a consistent decline in terms of leadership which is hand in glove with some corporates and media houses ...... A leadership crisis is what this nation faces ....... we need a visionary.......
Mr. Jindal has no idea about the topic. Next time, better call someone who is aware than just someone who is free...
Eradication of Poverty in India steps needed-
1) Improve Agricultural sector: 60%+ population are directly or indirectly engaged in agriculture and allied activities. We can learn from Israel and become a large exporter of food and raw materials.
2) Improve connectivity: Thanks to the present govt. Infrastructure projects are getting a lot of priority but completion of the projects needs to be emphasized.
3) Make education more practical: we need education that gives us more skills not just knowledge. More vocational programs and institutes should be spread far and wide.
4) Encourage Innovation : projects like Startup India which gives support to innovative business and ideas needs to be made a priority.
5) Skilled Youth: Skill India is a good program.
6) Minimise damages from natural and man made disasters.
7) Peaceful society= Happy Population= Increase productivity
8) Education policies should be made keeing in mind the future society, future challenges, future jobs. Like A.I age new jobs, new challenges.
To name a few...
I am going to file a petition in supreme on growing population...
We must follow the two child policy....
It is very quixotic to say that we can eradicate poverty as it is a very long and hard process. What is relevant to say is that we can eliminate the difficulties poor section of society is facing. Beacouse it is the basis on which we can talk about eradication of poverty.
SATYAM SHIVAM SUNDARAM SATYA HI SHIV HAI SHIV HI SUNDAR HAI
From various collected data it is very clear that out of total number of BPL majority are from farming community. Govt needs to ensure a minimum basic income for then.This job is not impossible though it may be quite difficult. The govt. can spend some 10000 crore for OROP and many more for 7th pay commission, then why not some for farmers.Moving ahead with "jay jawan jay kishan" this should be prioritize by the govt.The prime objective should be equitable distribution of resources and growth in inclusive terms.
How many of you people think that population control is very important, in coming days or in future it may results into a humerous problem if there is no proper family planning???
People are so fortunate those who are living in Rural India. Dont spread bad word about rural india.
i think there are so many policy in every govt like mgnrega,nrlm,trysem and many other schemes but i think so there is lack of implementation in gross root level of administration and lack of educating the people in rural areas about the particular scheme
I think the most important to eradicate poverty is to access to education, skill development by investing more on human development so problem of population which is not made burdon on india but it will make super power india
From My Point of View
1.Land Reforms Was Imp Bcz of Most People Engaged To Agriculture..Like China..
2.After That Skill Development,Only 2% of Labour Force Having Skills..
3.Promote Entrepreneurship In Rural Ares.
4.Avoid Trickle Down Theory..Policies from Bottom to top will imp
5. Implement PDS,MGNREGA..Etc..without any Leakages..
Praveen jha sir is great
how policies from bottom to top will work;
this is not swachh bharat where different dimensions needed at district or gram level;
niti aayog working with state govts and suggesting ays for employemnt generation;
investment needed at bottom level is beyond domain of state finance ;this brings centre and their policy
My Point is..Policies draw from What The Problems In ground level..In India Top Level problems Diff from Ground level Problems..For Example..Caste Domination More At Village Levels..Landlords They Are Mostly From Upper Caste..seemachal singh..........
Policies must be check time to time as it functioning or not as in case of MGNREGA still leakage is there ..
It's good discussion
Employment
Structural changes in policy
In 5 yrs ..almost imp
Equitable growth is required..growth is there ..reasonable..not equitable..
Investment
Health care facility
By creating capacity of state govt
The biggest step we can take to reduce unemployment and improve the nations health is to redistribute more tax money to sanitation, waste management, parks and forest management and road maintenance. There needs to be more dog pound, stray cattle and animal pest control to improve the health and well being of the overall nation. More recycling facilities are also required. There needs to be a all India plan to build proper safe pavements beside ALL types of roads so that people can be encouraged to atleast walk more, safely, than succumb to the motorcycles, scooters and cars for short distances.
Inflation has raising day to day.. but bank cutt basic liquidity (internet Rate) that a way to gain common man should maintain there income from there saving deposit.. level on inflations..!!
It's mean that, bank must give minimum interest rate on saving equal to inflations rate..
bro plz say the methods of reducing poverty through financial enclusion programme...
plz tell your suggestions...
I was wondering that While discussing the need to better monitoring and implementation of the schemes, Potential of Aadhar Act wasn't discussed, given that Corruption is one of the major reason behind poor implementation of the various schemes.
Also As a country we are much more interested in implementation of new schemes rather than trying to find out what went wrong with previous schemes and how they could be refined. I believe that instead of making schemes and rules to be more complex, we should rely more on feedback from actual beneficiaries eg. Social/Public Audit.
Also I feel, Mr. Jindal hardly brings anything significant in discussions and keeps going round and round about some petty point.
there is a lot of schemes in india related to eradicate poverty but there implementation is not effective and till now any government not taken account the recommendation of so many report
You can't have poverty discussion with Babus/Politicians. They probably created corruption (irrigation?) siphoning government money. Indian rich/middle class SELFISH mindset is a problem to solve poverty in India. Their not helping 100 marginalized people around them in health, education etc. is a huge bottleneck. All well fed Indians want government to solve poverty problem. Slums are in their own backyard, Domestic labour is coming to their homes, Poor/RTE kids are in their kids class, but these well fed Indians think that it is not their problem to solve. Educated women will solve overpopulation problem by having fewer kids and raising them well.
Wow mam nice ankring
Amount of fund given for villege that is utilised by only for the leaders personal use they didn't use for the public
population= Vote=power=lawmaker
i think there are so many policy in every govt but i think so there is lack of implementation
chaplus of fenku give example of startup India against question on employment.
Frank Parriera is best. Anchor is not here to read news but to coordinate.
I think Tracy is way better than Frank. He has a set pattern and doesn't change it according to the mood of the debate and always ends by asking what's the way forward. I feel Tracy is way better in this regard.
Nitish Nair I've been watching this show since last 2 years... Frank doesn't get uncomfortable while asking questions and gives equal time to each penalist.. ak bhattacharya hard got to speak who in my opinion is most knowledgeable among all 4, not that others are not. Frank keeps his opinion to minimum not like Tracy who starts explaining every time she gets a chance...
Saurabh Nagar dude i'd keep the personal comments to a minimum and i don't care how long you have been watching this show. None of the anchors on RSTV get uncomfortable while asking questions, and Tracy too gives equal time to all panelists and if you did listen closely, she just gives a gist of what the panelist wanted to say instead of getting her opinions in. She picks up from what the panelists say instead of Frank who just focuses on his pre set questions. Anyways i am not criticising anyone just presenting my observations you or anyone has the right to disagree. Peace.
Nitish Nair Sorry for personal remarks, lets just agree to disagree!
Yes that's feasible
The host is kind of disturbing the audio by constantly saying okay and hmm, which is kind of irritating when we focus on the speech of the panelists.
A request, Kindly do not invite the first speaker. He has never added anything to the debate and speaks very generalised language. You may fill in the space with someone more substantial with regards to topic.
To create job, we need some kind of restriction to foreign co. And let the our country men to do their own things as we were doing in the past. Let them produce and create job in their own area. Dont allow foreign co to be in.
we are poor because we are selfish to us we do not help to self. we always beg help from others not from us who can help you the most. read strongly class 10 help to self to read class ten and help others to read class ten as much as possible because all government exams in India starts with class 10 math gk etc but all you have no interest in this. you all want to become gyani but your base is like mud not strong. if you complete class ten then take technical education like vocational course certificate course in more than 1000 stream mostly the trade you have in your home if in your home you have a cycle repairing shop then you should take at first cycle repairing trade then degree then phd etc but basic should be strong just like you have a furniture you have carpentry if have barber shop then trade is barbery etc make own website or youtube channel or blogs and apps and become hero all my poor friends please dont cry but try with selfhelp. See youtube video for free knowledge. If you have data to see dirty video why not you see knowledgeful video?
25 minutes is not much atleast should be an hour.
I agree
So equating poverty with GST ? It is not reasonable at all.
ye Jindal Ji ko mat bulaya kro yaar. next time se mt bulana. ok? good 😊
To every man reading this comment, I say this- The main cause of poverty in India is Indians themselves. We have created a monster of corruption in the form of this welfare state that was the wet dream of our freedom fighters. Welfare states have and will fail in the future because they encourage lethargy. The general mindset of people is so shamefully indoctrinated by the idea of entitlement through welfare states that it becomes an aspiration and a mass delusion.
Of course free healthcare for all is a great thing.But is it possible? We end up paying to scums in politics, bureaucracy and lower level officials. The academicians don't want to budge from their position because it will mean they have accepted the defeat of their idealism. The bureaucracy does not talk about it in public because it has enjoyed welfare state the most to its advantage. The poor of the nation are kept drugged- hallucinating about a utopia of an equal society.
The only solution to India's problems - Mind it, I say with much thought and years of work in the area- is to fully and immediately adopt free market capitalism.
Rasmus well said
What about the psychological consequences of it. A society is not merely run by economics but also by psychology. People will have relative deprivation in free market capitalism.
Your understanding of welfare state is very flawed and stupid. Today all states, including USA ,are welfare states. Read basic economics before making sweeping comments. USA spends billions of dollars on farmers subsidies and social security.
@@pankaj_IAS_Academy I'm pretty sure I have read more economics than you will ever read. But I will not go down the path of one upping some stranger in a mud slinging contest. I stand with what I said.
Villege level par jo sarpanch he vo bhrastachar corruption na kare to garibi hatai jaa sakti he
there is need of another "BIO FRIENDLY" green revolution in other parts of India where the previous one couldn't reach i.e. Eastern part of India.
So , what are the initiatives the government is undertaking to prevent unbridled growth in population. What about the very effective idea of "ham 2 Hamare 2" . I don't understand where the problem lies. Why don't the government come up with a bill to restrict the multiple child birth ? Why don't we learn from China ? Are we waiting for a population disaster to devastate our country and the whole world. Think , resources are not growing, but population is growing rapidly. Please reply your views.
Nidhi gupta In Democracy, harsh population policies can land the ruling Party in political disadvantage.
The Policy should be a Persuasive one, unlike Coercive one followed in China.
Hindi me banaye
After 100 we can't remove poverty because of only n only corrupt and criminal politician
JINDAL KO Q BULA LETE HO BHAI ? ISSE ZYDA ECONOMY 12th K BACHE KO AATI HOGI
whatever they say words should match deeds but people with lots kids are in jobs and controllers had not got one give insentives on dying provide peaceful death if we can't take care of them put heavy tax on each birth and govt permission by showing income before child birth .
missing Girish Nikam sir on this show
dont bring jnu folks, they talk rubbish
the assocham guy spoke in such a hopelessly general manner, a bhakt he seems