400$ is really high, that's enough money for enough studio equipment to make enough money for the flash cart, the reason 400$ is high, is basically because people focus on incorrect things and that money could've earned way more money. Still, if I had the extra 400, i'd probably just buy the authentic carts, as that actually puts more precious hormones in my brain, such as dopamine and serotonin, we spend thousands upon thousands on dopamine and serotonin from little pieces of electronic components
Greedo from the forums. Great review man. Very professional. I love my Neo SD, it even works perfectly with my Daedalus converter. I personally don't care about the load times one bit. Just enough time to hit the restroom, and grab a beer before sitting down to get some gaming in. I think people fail to realize you can flash MOTW, turn off the console, and load it back up instantly. So if you want to cycle through games and not actually play them then this might not work for you, but if you actually want to get your game on, this thing is near perfect, with high possibility of only getting better. My NeoSD will have to pried from my cold dead hands with a crowbar. Such a great product by the NeoSD team.
Can't wait for my AES version to ship out. I'm rocking everdrives on my NES, SNES, Genesis, N64 and GBA. This NEOSD is the same concept and awesome as well. Oh yeah!
OldGraFX I plan to post a follow up video once the firmware drops. Probably do a before and after comparing flashing times of several games. Both larger and smaller.
Nice but too expensive at the moment, a multicard only costs a fraction and with a few mods, they run quite perfect. Also the loading times for de roms are also to slow at the moment.
If you like to flip back and forth between games a bunch, then yeah, it might be aggravating. But if you take a game and play it completion over a period of time, once it's flashed it's in there. People need to learn some patience though, this is a great product. P.S.- Loading times can be greatly reduced by getting the fastest micro SD card possible. I've heard of flash times being cut by as much as 2 minutes over standard speed micro SD cards.
Yes it is a great product, and the review was also superb. But at the moment for my use its to expensive. But that was the case for every "everdrive" like card. After each revision it become cheaper! On the long run it will be perfect solution!
No idea. Darksoft hasn't really said much recently on the development of his Neo Geo flashcart. If he waits too much longer, he is going to miss the boat on sales. Plus I just received a firmware update for my NEOSD and plan to publish a video tomorrow detailing the changes including improved (I hope) flash times.
Same here. If the firmware update improves the load times by 50% or so I would be willing to shell out the money for this & one of those omega consoles. Keep up the good work. NEOGEO for life.
It must havr be very hard for the creators to develope such sd card for the neogeo ,but my only complain is,why did they not chosen for a cf flash card instead,it could,ve easily fit in a neogeo card case but more importantly, it's 10 times faster then sd cards, but still it's a must have for neogeo owners.
Hi Todd, great review. Where do you recommend I go to get good working roms (I have most of the original mvs cartridges in my collection so this is just a convenience for me)?
He doesn't. I've had the same experiences, as have other people. Also, does anyone happen to know if the software for converting the roms runs in Wine?
well, the NEOSD works and is available now. Sadly, they use Flash instead of Battery-Buffered RAM chips. And since they don't mention anything about wear leveling, they may not last "long", as typical flash will only hold out a few thousand write cycles. Sufficient for a lot people, but if someone.uses it in an arcade-alike setup and let people switch it freely, it may die within two years of extensive use. Also it's quite pricy, and if the 138-in-1 cartridge would work with a multislot mvs, it would only matter to serve the last dozen games you don't get on the 138-in-1 or the 161-in-1. Still, it's quite nice, but given the fact that I can't find any legal info on their site and that they don't even offer PayPal (only credit cards) it's exceptionally and pointlessly cumbersome to order at them.
bunta714 That is the typical expectations per-device. It is a mean before failure, so that means some will far outlast 100,000 writes and some will fail just as early. In a device like this you will be limited to the lowest life of all the chips. Each additional chip increases the chances of it dying before 100,000 writes, making it a near certainty. “Erasing” also counts as a write. Thankfully, they now offer a “Pro” version that uses RAM with the option to flash to a slot for faster access in the future. It’s a good balance.
Great review. I just can't justify $400 for the few games my 161 in 1 doesn't have. I have a mame cabinet right next to my 2 slot MVS. If I'm going to play roms anyway, I'll just play on mame.
Assume this is not like the Neo store 161 in 1 that is crazy experience and have a bunch of garbage on it. Actually assume Ninja Masters will run here too...
Happy New Year Todd, This's Anthony enjoying your Neo-Geo works as usual. Nice review regarding the NeoSD flash cart. Glad that gamers are happy that they're enjoying this product and making good use of it. I recently was reading that Stone Age Gamer and TerraOnion made a deal regarding the distribution of the NeoSD onto SAG's website to purchase from them with pre-orders will be available soon. Here's the link if you like to see it. www.heypoorplayer.com/2016/12/23/neo-geo-neo-sd-flash-cart/ Also, I posted your upload this on, The Official NEO-GEO Thread on Atariage.com for you Its on page 243. post #6070 for you to view. atariage.com/forums/topic/223548-the-official-neo-geo-thread/page-243 Thank you as always for your works that you contribute Todd. Keep up the excellent work you usually do. Anthony...
It all depends what roms you are downloading but for free I would not complaint about it oh and yea running on real hardware but in a super slow ass time when loading roms and erasing them by time it finishes loading the roms I have already eaten my pop corn bag and my soda, I might as well get the 161 multi cart no slow downs and arcade perfect games.
The multicarts had issues with many games and used hacks and betas of many games. Just stop. If you can't wait a couple of minutes to play a game then just move on and don't complain about something you have zero intention of using.
C'est de la merde ^^ n'achetez pas ça vous allez le regretter sinon ;) moulage a chier et risque d'abîmer la néo-géo, serial mal placé..., et son prix 450€...
Great video Todd! Some things here that I wasn't aware of - hoping to see that new firmware soon .
Yeah me too. Would be nice if the filters worked correctly. And faster game flashing would always be welcomed.
Great review! While $400 sounds high to some people, the reality is that I could sell off just a handful of my carts and have the money to buy this.
I would never sell any Neo carts in exchange for a flashcart. Especially for MVS there are some great games you can buy for that money
400$ is really high, that's enough money for enough studio equipment to make enough money for the flash cart, the reason 400$ is high, is basically because people focus on incorrect things and that money could've earned way more money. Still, if I had the extra 400, i'd probably just buy the authentic carts, as that actually puts more precious hormones in my brain, such as dopamine and serotonin, we spend thousands upon thousands on dopamine and serotonin from little pieces of electronic components
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This looks amazing. Finally, a reason to buy a home system.
Totally agree. And it looks like the home cart system version will ship mid January.
Better off to pay a tenth of the price for the multi cart.
@@CaseTheCorvetteMan Not really they can be buggy sometimes and cheap chips Sound Graphical and gameplay issues
@@demonology2629 ummmm... what??? Can't say i've ever seen that myself...
For that price they should have went with SRAM instead of flash (flash slower, limited read/write lifespan).
Fantastic review! Clear, and to the point - well presented =D
Thanks!
Greedo from the forums. Great review man. Very professional. I love my Neo SD, it even works perfectly with my Daedalus converter. I personally don't care about the load times one bit. Just enough time to hit the restroom, and grab a beer before sitting down to get some gaming in. I think people fail to realize you can flash MOTW, turn off the console, and load it back up instantly. So if you want to cycle through games and not actually play them then this might not work for you, but if you actually want to get your game on, this thing is near perfect, with high possibility of only getting better. My NeoSD will have to pried from my cold dead hands with a crowbar. Such a great product by the NeoSD team.
great review Todd. been interested in this cart and have read through thr forum thread. someday ill pick one up
Can't wait for my AES version to ship out. I'm rocking everdrives on my NES, SNES, Genesis, N64 and GBA. This NEOSD is the same concept and awesome as well. Oh yeah!
Nice review and video.
What rom set should we be looking for? Does it take FBA romset? Im looking at consolized mvs. is there a difference in aes and mvs roms?
can you re-review the Neo SD with the latest firmware on the Neo SD? thanks!
0:08 - song name? Thx!
Nice review
Thanks!
The single cart costs more than my entire set...
I hardly know the workings of arcade .. so what "set 1 2 3" etcetc means ? Oh + what game is @ 6:21 ?
amazing product. now just gotta get off my lazy ass and sell some boards I never play to fund this. well sold todd!
I really want to see how much the flashing process improves after the firmware update. As it is right now it is way too slow.
OldGraFX I plan to post a follow up video once the firmware drops. Probably do a before and after comparing flashing times of several games. Both larger and smaller.
Nice but too expensive at the moment, a multicard only costs a fraction and with a few mods, they run quite perfect. Also the loading times for de roms are also to slow at the moment.
If you like to flip back and forth between games a bunch, then yeah, it might be aggravating. But if you take a game and play it completion over a period of time, once it's flashed it's in there.
People need to learn some patience though, this is a great product.
P.S.- Loading times can be greatly reduced by getting the fastest micro SD card possible. I've heard of flash times being cut by as much as 2 minutes over standard speed micro SD cards.
Yes it is a great product, and the review was also superb. But at the moment for my use its to expensive. But that was the case for every "everdrive" like card. After each revision it become cheaper! On the long run it will be perfect solution!
slow down the speed at which you are talking a bit.
it sounds like you are doing a cattle auction.
Do we have any updates regarding the option to be able to change the thumbnails to a gameplay snapshot and not the title screen?
BTW Thanks! I noticed your post on the forum, but couldnt confirm when it'd be done...
I have not heard anything further on this.
thanks!
So is this cart discontinued.
XYZ and Razion are available on roms?
(sold out...).
If we can ad somes jamma mame that will be awesome...like pgm kof 2002 u.m.
I hope the NGDev Team will someday offer their games in rom format for the NEOSD. There was some talk of it, but not sure if that will ever happen.
Well, it looks like the website is closed now. It looked like a nice flash cart to get.
Great work. I wonder how this is going to stack against the other flash card being developed.
No idea. Darksoft hasn't really said much recently on the development of his Neo Geo flashcart. If he waits too much longer, he is going to miss the boat on sales. Plus I just received a firmware update for my NEOSD and plan to publish a video tomorrow detailing the changes including improved (I hope) flash times.
Same here. If the firmware update improves the load times by 50% or so I would be willing to shell out the money for this & one of those omega consoles. Keep up the good work. NEOGEO for life.
He just posted that he's been working on bugs and the interface. Doesn't look like it will be out for another quarter at this rate.
How many games are on this cartridge?
Has it got REAL BOUT FATAL FURY SPECIAL?
Zero games are on the cartridge. Learn English.
is There a way to change the title screen thumbnail to a gameplay snapshoot?
Not that I am aware of. It's integrated in the firmware, I believe. Although that is a good idea. I'll pass it on to the NEOSD team.
It must havr be very hard for the creators to develope such sd card for the neogeo ,but my only complain is,why did they not chosen for a cf flash card instead,it could,ve easily fit in a neogeo card case but more importantly, it's 10 times faster then sd cards, but still it's a must have for neogeo owners.
I'm going to get the AES version. My question is where do I get the neo builder tool from? Will Neosd store provide this?
Yup, the tool can be downloaded from their website.
Hi Todd, great review. Where do you recommend I go to get good working roms (I have most of the original mvs cartridges in my collection so this is just a convenience for me)?
I would just check google for a Neo Geo Mame set. Probably take some digging around.
Sweet Video. well done.
popstarthecat 8 thanks!
the yellow multicart loads instant and runs perfect
The yellow banana cart is full of rom hacks and bad dumped versions of games. Plus it has sound problems.
Todd's Nerd Cave im yet to experience that and i own an aes too for comparison.Maybe you have a defective cart
He doesn't. I've had the same experiences, as have other people. Also, does anyone happen to know if the software for converting the roms runs in Wine?
compyislife not sure about Wine, but it certainly does work under virtualization. I've ran it under VMware.
Todd's Nerd Cave would you care to explain wine? not heard it mentioned before and am interested to know more about it
well, the NEOSD works and is available now.
Sadly, they use Flash instead of Battery-Buffered RAM chips. And since they don't mention anything about wear leveling, they may not last "long", as typical flash will only hold out a few thousand write cycles. Sufficient for a lot people, but if someone.uses it in an arcade-alike setup and let people switch it freely, it may die within two years of extensive use.
Also it's quite pricy, and if the 138-in-1 cartridge would work with a multislot mvs, it would only matter to serve the last dozen games you don't get on the 138-in-1 or the 161-in-1.
Still, it's quite nice, but given the fact that I can't find any legal info on their site and that they don't even offer PayPal (only credit cards) it's exceptionally and pointlessly cumbersome to order at them.
Grhdh rennen vdv On the official thread on the Neo Geo forums, they explained that the flash is rated for about 100,000 writes.
Grhdh rennen vdv that would be exactly my worry as well.
bunta714 That is the typical expectations per-device. It is a mean before failure, so that means some will far outlast 100,000 writes and some will fail just as early. In a device like this you will be limited to the lowest life of all the chips. Each additional chip increases the chances of it dying before 100,000 writes, making it a near certainty. “Erasing” also counts as a write. Thankfully, they now offer a “Pro” version that uses RAM with the option to flash to a slot for faster access in the future. It’s a good balance.
This is discontinued because the parts are no longer manufactured.
Awesome pocket change compared to Neo geo 90s prices.
Great review. I just can't justify $400 for the few games my 161 in 1 doesn't have. I have a mame cabinet right next to my 2 slot MVS. If I'm going to play roms anyway, I'll just play on mame.
MotoMechzorz totally understand. With it's price it's definitely not an impulse kinda purchase.
With mame, you are using emulation. With a flash cart, you get an experience that is indistinguishable from the original.
badass
Assume this is not like the Neo store 161 in 1 that is crazy experience and have a bunch of garbage on it. Actually assume Ninja Masters will run here too...
Will you confirm if Ninja Masters is on the list?
Yep, runs perfectly.
Great. Will put in that order!
I’m the 10,000th view!
Do I win anything?
dont like,the loading its very slow,i prefer the 161 in 1 cartridge
those loading times are worse than the neo geo cd. wtf mann. hopefully this gets somehow patched in the future.
That is not correct. The load time is only when loading the game, not between levels as with the Neo Geo CD.
Far too expensive. I'll go with the omega cmvs and just buy the games I want.
expensive as hell, I would not buy it
Happy New Year Todd,
This's Anthony enjoying your Neo-Geo works as usual. Nice review regarding the NeoSD flash cart. Glad that gamers are happy that they're enjoying this product and making good use of it.
I recently was reading that Stone Age Gamer and TerraOnion made a deal regarding the distribution of the NeoSD onto SAG's website to purchase from them with pre-orders will be available soon.
Here's the link if you like to see it.
www.heypoorplayer.com/2016/12/23/neo-geo-neo-sd-flash-cart/
Also, I posted your upload this on, The Official NEO-GEO Thread on Atariage.com for you
Its on page 243. post #6070 for you to view.
atariage.com/forums/topic/223548-the-official-neo-geo-thread/page-243
Thank you as always for your works that you contribute Todd. Keep up the excellent work you usually do.
Anthony...
thanks Anthony!
+Todd's Nerd Cave
You're welcome Todd. Keep it up bro and browse around the Neo-Geo thread at anytime. You're always welcome.
Anthony...
Way overpriced. Better luck next time.
I rather play those roms on my psp and will load faster than that piece of crap converter!! And Also They are free!!
Yea, you have fun with your dropped frames and slowdown. This is for running on real hardware not some pleb old ass portable.
It all depends what roms you are downloading but for free I would not complaint about it oh and yea running on real hardware but in a super slow ass time when loading roms and erasing them by time it finishes loading the roms I have already eaten my pop corn bag and my soda, I might as well get the 161 multi cart no slow downs and arcade perfect games.
The multicarts had issues with many games and used hacks and betas of many games. Just stop. If you can't wait a couple of minutes to play a game then just move on and don't complain about something you have zero intention of using.
You're obviously a millennial and don't get why this exists.
C'est de la merde ^^ n'achetez pas ça vous allez le regretter sinon ;) moulage a chier et risque d'abîmer la néo-géo, serial mal placé..., et son prix 450€...
How about posting your comment in english. Are you saying that it will damage your Neo Geo? If so, I would like to know how.