I love how expensive the team is makes sense because the IPC characters are probably millionaires or billionaires lol, and Robin as a singer probably is quite wealthy as well
@@quantumtheabyssalwolf950 March at e6 works ok as an aventurine replacement, although you really want topaz to get the most out of her. Im running Ratio, Topaz, Sparkle and March
@@kiiyuuko if you can pull for E1S1 Topaz then that's the best team, but if you can't just use Pela instead. Aventurine and Robin are universal so you can use them with many other teams
I run Ratio Robin Ave and recently silverwolf. Since Day one of hsr I've run march. It was sad moving her yesterday. She can keep up with aventurine but her damage does not compare sadly. Her primary stat is focused on defense and her follow up damage doesn't keep up sadly. Now, if you build her as a backup pres running her and ave, focusing on attack, she can kinda keep up, but then it's scuffed
FUA is basically a way to sneak in additional attacks or actions in a limited cycle than what you are normally given based on your speed or advance forward. And on top of that it's just pretty funny seeing your FUA units cheesing SU because of Aftertaste. Moving forward it would be interesting how DoT and FUA develop considering the units there look more like they're meant to build on their own playstyles. So now you have 3 general ways of dealing damage: the typical DPS of dealing damage as we do now, DoT that leverages enemy turn taking and action, and FUA with ways for you to deal more instances of damage or mechanics in the same cycle.
It's the 9 types of cancer dealing enough damage to lower the enemy's HP bar from 50% to 0% for me. 😂 FUA is fun because when you manage to time Ratio's ult, Aventurine's stacks and Clara's FUA? It gets so funny
There are two specific kind of rewarding feelings that only follow-up and DOT can do, the feeling of "oh no I'm about to loose!? wait no just managed to take the win on the enemies turn."(dot is really good at this one) and "You're already dead, you just don't know it yet." when black swan has ulted and you're about to ult then skill with kafka into the enemy turn, or IPC follow-up when everyone has their ultimate and you're about to watch a 2 minute cutscene of the boss exploding
Dot was that but now it's more acheron one shot or Dotcheron - "oh your still alive? How's your cancer?" Boss - "cancer? I don't have any canc- repleghmehurgleack" 'dead'
@@Sp3nz. i agree that acheron has her own little niche within nihility that hasn't completely replaced kafka, but DoTcheron is very much real, especially in SU swarm disaster/gold and gears-if you have the right blessings, using black swan and kafka's ults to build up acheron's stacks is extremely satisfying
11:58 March 7th and Xueyi are also 4stars with accessible FUA's, especially with eidolons! They aren't cracked damage dealers, but they are absolutely sufficient for reaping the benefits of Elation blessings in SU.
They’ve really start to form this “engine” that feels really fun, and still feels like there’s a wide space available. Aventurine and Topaz LC having debuff FUA effects also makes Ratio such a delight. I can see future potential for more “Counter” based FUA, where a new sustain debuffs an enemy’s defenses whenever that enemy attacks for clara / march / aventurine buffs. I also would love to see burst and bounce FUA for some wackiness outside the Hunt and Erudition FUA. Or like a character that charges up FUA from overhealing. Or a character that gains charges based on instances of any ally attacking, including ult and FUA. They’re just straight up fun in a turn based game, and have a lot of open design space Lastly, with the IPC squad synergizing so well together, it’s so cool and fun that it almost retroactively makes the rest of the characters oddly less spicy. Like, it feels like Xueyi and Hanya should synergize, or Gui and Sushang, or the Stellaron Hunters, or Asta and Arlan. These synergies add this feeling of cohesion and relation, flavor-blasting these mechanics the FUA engine.
"Imo, Xueyi and Hanya do have synergy. Xueyi, while scaling from break effect, does also want other buffs like ATK and SPD, and she also needs a SP positive teammate to counter her SP negative playstyle (I mean, almost every DPS does need that) and Hanya provides all off those things." is what I would say before HMC came out
I always thought that Kafkas FuA was designed the way it was for blade since his main attacking way is through basic attacks, But i could also understand the stelleron hunters out of everyone not having synergy from a story perspective since they are all only together by circumstance of their own goals rather than cohesion
@@Sansrival1113 Like, if Xueyi allowed 2 SP to an omni break Skill, and Hanya placed a debuff that could increase break efficiency, they’d both age so much better and have such nice synergy while having their nice niche effects. But yeah after HMC, like Hanya has even less of a place
@@EngelAguilar god so true. Just like one new non-erudition FUA damage focused 4-star would be great. I’d personally love a burst or bounce FUA for some wackiness that can help wear down toughness.
Another point for non hypercarry teams is flexiblity. We've all had those moments where the hyper carry leaves an enemy on like hp and have to go through another cycle because the supports do no damage and have to waste an important resource like a jingliu charge. With duel dps or team like ipc fua where everyone does their share of damage. The problem with dual hunt is that they are good at deleting enemies 1 by 1 but they have to waste time dealing with trash mobs. Aventurine can thin out or at least weaken the mobs enough and robin ult can add more damage so they can actual kill. Also with these dual carry comps it lets you cover more contents since they cover multiple weakness breaks. Also if something happens to your hyper carry you're likely to lose a cycle but with ipc team the damage is more spread evenly so say if something happens to ratio you still lose a big chunk of damage you don't lose everything. This is a reason why im hyped for break teams and eventually want to make a dot team when the banners rerun or new units come out.
I only play Elation bc it's so busted. Free skill points for FUAs, 100% def shred dice face, auspicious star and brain in the vat and thw turn reset hunt buffs all makes it so the enemy never takes a turn for every phase they have. I can do conundrum 12, disruption 11 easy with trotter extrapolation and probably even higher if I use other dice.
Elation went from a useless path I always hated seeing (I had basically no FuA characters besides QQ) to my favorite path to run once I got Topaz. Once you get the ball rolling, your turn never ends with enemy delays and infinite skill points.
@@sehtuk3953 to be honest I didn’t play till October (when it came out for ps5) so my first 5 star (that wasn’t standard) was actually Topaz and I loved her! So I guess I have always been a fan of the elation path! But yeah I can understand in the beginning it being more of the weaker paths.
@@The_Celestial_Fox yup one of my favorite blessings is that level 2 one that gives 65% (100% upgraded) chance of a recovered skill point for every follow up attack! It’s so busted!!
@redlox2 That one and the one that delays enemy action by 12%! I will always bum rush to try to get those and auspicious star lol Topaz becomes a sp generator lol
Out of turn actions are very very valuable in turn based games. We've had tastes of this already all the way in the early months of the game with Clara and Luocha (altough his action Is not a FUA)
Is the same reason why, in Pokémon, intimidate is one of the Best abilities. You not only Get to put a better Pokémon on field for the situation, You are reducing enemy damage at the same time
To add onto the point of fua compounding on each other lets just look at topaz alone in the ipc fua team Topaz can fuel 2/3 of aventurine ally fua stacks while ratio can fill the last. Topaz is going to be attacking the most often on that team so she’s going to be batterying the most energy for robin and benfiting from robins bonus damage the most. She makes the team able to cover both imaginary and fire weak enemies which a lot of other comps cannot boast since they primarily focus on one weakness type. Then she provides a debuff for ratio and buffs everyones fua while still being able to provide a good chunk of damage. She syngersies with all 3 other characters on the team while in most other teams funnel everything into the main dps.
it is actually animal abuse..., she slings Numby at enemies, her own pet😅😅 taxes are fine, as long as you dont have any unpaid debt you still have to pay...😅
@@unknowny_you she is pretty decent at e0s0, just noticeably harder to use with ratio (which im assuming is the plan) at that point itd be whether you like her playstyle and if you want to invest in FUA teams since she will likely still be usable in future fua teams
Follow-up attacks have been my favorite thing about star rail since version 1. That first combat event that let me trial Himeko and Herta together really sold me on this game.
I saw him pull up rhongo bongo in another video and thought 'damn this guy likes all the stuff I like' Smash, yugioh, fire emblem, off the top of my head dude's pockets run deep
What I love about follow up attacks is that they naturally produce the most nail bitting scenarios because since follow ups are inherently a response to something else you get moments that you get into a situation where you are praying for that follow up to happen to clutch the game. It happened to me while I was very nee to the game and was playing SU World 2 with a bunch of 4 stars and Physical TB and the last boss was incredible how Herta’s talent would save me cause she broke the toughness gauge or killed the spawned minions right before they killed my units. Its very fun
Somehow in an entire video on fua, Clara is barely mentioned, which is crazy given that she has arguably the highest damage ceiling of all fua characters
@@ameliens becuz she's functionally different from the rest. She is "passive" FUA, while the rest is "active", I mean do you REALLY want to make Clara a DD nowaday? Unless you can give taunt to her and also a heck tons of heal/shield she ain't gonna last, and if you build her with more defense then obviously her dmg will suffer, heck I use full set dmg reduction on her, bring along Lynx and my team Ratio Topaz Lynx Clara still can't clear MoC 11 second half.
@@Kspice9000 I used to run them with aventurine and robin but tbh she's... Kind of a secondary tank in that placement, considering that she's the same damage eater as ave but it's less consistent because it requires she be hit. She's still hella effective, but I find she's better ran with march as support to guide enemies into the right choice. She still averages 20k damage a hit for me once her buff is fully applied, she's still _great,_ just... Very niche.
I play other turn-based games with out-of-turns actions that procs (both damage, support and healing), so I knew immediately how strong follow-ups will be. So after seeing auto-heals, damaging ones is next, and we've seen how it took people a while to recognise Clara's kit potential.
Same Clara as my first 5* was my start of building fua team. I'm only missing Topaz for premium, but using only Ratio - Robin - Aventurine (sign) - Silver wolf can net me a decent 3 / 4 cycle in moc 12. I choose robin over topaz because Topaz at E0S0 can't proc Ratio's follow up consistently as her at S1 or E1
I only started playing at the very end of 2.1 and I count myself so lucky to have been able to get the entire Follow-up Attack team since. It's extremely fun and getting to use Dr. Ratio, who got me into this game in the first place, is very satisfying
There is a saying in Chinese for stuff 'working off eachother', and it goes along the lines of 'left foot stepping on the right foot and we reach the sky' and that is so real for the IPC FUA team like that's what some people have decided to call them in CN now
The "VARS" watermark that appears every so often gave me an idea... reduce the size by half, farther lower the opacity, and then have it bounce around the screen slowly like old DVD players. lol
God damn i f*ing love follow-up attacks, the didn't have to go that hard in aesthetic and playstyle and dropped my girl topaz *followed up* by the imaginary daddies and then WELCOME TO MYY... WOOOORLD
11:59 to be frank you can get Himeko if you are either unlucky in a 50/50 (like I was with Acheron, which I’m still pissed about) or you can get her via the 300 pull on the standard banner assuming you already have Bronya. Not to mention you could get Dr. Ratio for FREE back in 2.0 and 2.1 so a lot of people already have him.
This is good timing because I'm struggling with content lately as a f2p with limited 5* units, and I'm incapable of playing some meta archetypes for missing key units. Most of my DPS are hypercarries too. I got Robin super early with one 10-pull. Sadly it seems like her best team is the FUA IPC gang, of which I was missing Topaz. I don't even have Ratio fully built since I didn't have a good team for him. So I threw singles while doing Penacony things, and I just got Topaz relatively early at 56 pity. I know I shot myself in the foot with future banners but I'm excited to be able to play FUA at last! When I finish building Ratio and Topaz, of course.
The biggest problem with Ratio Topaz Robin team is if you do not S1 them with their signature light cone their damage potential takes quite a big hit. In particular Topaz light cone is crucial to get ratio's passive procc chance up to 100. I don't think there is other teams that has their damage discounted that much just because they don't have their lightcone.
Got Jing Yuan since Day 1 of his banner. Got Topaz for him. Got Ratio for free. Only regret is I wasn't able to get Aventurine and I lost on Robin banner.
For me follow up started at march -> Dr ratio -> himeko -> herta and will end at clara (300 selection). No jades to pull adventurine, topaz, robin. Someone please give me money / jades / pass.
12:04 I think it’s safe to add xueyi to this category, while yes her e6 is vital she still can work if you manage to give her enough turns and are against a quantum weak enemy. But even if they aren’t weak to quantum you could put her on a fua team like: Robin, topaz, aventurine, xueyi And the enemy is weak to any of the elements on your team you’ll attack enough times to get her karma stakes and her ult can reduce toughness without the enemy being weak to quantum giving even more karma stacks and with future characters like fugue coming out who will make it so she can reduce more toughness maybe a hybrid team like: HMC, robin, aventurine/lingsha, xueyi Could work. Just speculation so take it with a grain of salt
I have a bit of a question. Clara was my first standard banner character, and thus most developed (used quite a bit in the beginning too). I want to put her in a FUA team, but it feels like the majority of FUA team conversation is around Dr Ratio, Topaz and Aventurine, and Clara is almost never mentioned. Do those three just work better together? Does Clara clash with the others? My still-to-be-built Clara team: Clara/Topaz/Tingyun/Lynx. (I don't have Aventurine, and Ratio is still at level 1.)
As someone that REALLY enjoyed the FuA even before Dr. Ratio. It makes me soo happy to see that it's becoming such a strong team despite being purely for fun!
there is a style of gamplay that i don't know if i love or hate, thats the break team. so the pros is that break leave the enemy weak and deals more dot but the cons is that if you can break the enemy in time or not with the right unit your damage will be low... having character that don't care to much who break is now the best, now with boothill i will be less scare to use luka, or the herta himeko ruan mei combo.... but now with harmony mc you can break even if there is nothing to break, and i really want more characters like that. so we have 4 main style of gameplay: hypercarry, DoT, follow up and break, but you can have more than one in one team... thats why i like honkai
The first time I ever encountered the concept of follow-up attacks was in Persona. I am a huge JRPG fan and my main series as a kid was Final Fantasy which was about as JRPG as you could get, especially with the turn-based combat system of the earlier games (I hit you, then you hit me, repeat until someone dies). So the idea of "I hit an enemy, then my teammate follows up and hits the enemy immediately after me" was so new and cool to me when it was first introduced. I'm glad they are expanding the FUA meta in HSR and hope they continue to innovate on it.
Started a new account right before 2.1 ends (for free ratio) and now I have the premium fua team (minus aventurine since I lost 50/50). So far I have been breezing thru every content except for moc and pure fiction. It's insane how they all support each other's kit beautifully that I doubt there will be any replacement for either 4 in the near future. (Now I just need to figure out how to build my seccond team)
At least they kept her from being absurdly op by making her a glass cannon, I love how strong she is but if anyone complains about her HP being low I feel it’s necessary to remind them that if it were higher then she’d be way too overpowered
As someone who's been on this train since jing yuan's first banner, it honestly feels like the end of an era of suffering to see this video; one i've been praying to see Vars make one day for AGES now! Feels good to win at last, man.
I like how everything got a little change of scenario or even new entire unit to "buff" their niches. Break Effect, Follow-Ups and even Applying debuffs that doesn't really doesn't damage directly but flavour the next strike. There will be even a new end game for The Hunt chars! That's so much to wait for. Crazy stuff, HSR is doing great imo.
my list: -Not being able to control when it happens, Jingyuans lightning lord when the enemy is at 1% -Penacony, the tv screen who provides that sweet sweet energy, but you cant if you anger then because of follow up attacks. -the relics.... -Not being able to choose who gets hit, esp when there is a boss that needs the weakness break and it randomly hits a different enemy. -Not bbeing able to choose who gets hit to trigger the other follow-up attack. -now with all the debuffs, the debuff relics is such a good choice for so many characters -When there is a boss like the bug that multiplies, you will be risking more damage, just like the tv screens in penacony, where when you hit them and become angry, your entire team gets hit.
You forgot Xueyi is a 4 star follow up who has amazing synergy in a break effect follow up team with Himeko, her ult also procs her own follow up very easily if you have Ruan Mei along with Xueyi being easy to E6
(11:30) I PERSONALLY strongly disagree about "crit being useless on dot units is a con", because you can have an easier time with investing in a dot character without worrying about crit ratios. (Yes, I am still salty about barely getting any crit substats and rolls on my relics.)
I like Marvel Strike Force how employs Follow-Up Attacks, in which certain characters will engage a follow up attack if they have significant connections lore-wise, for example. Black Widow’s passive can level up to have her gain about a 50% chance of calling for an assist from Hawkeye during normal attacks, if he’s in the party. Cyclops has an attack that will call assists from 2 allies with the X-Men trait to attack different targets.
Topaz and King Yuan with "mid" allegations despite being very very good. Had Jing Yuan since release and he hard carried me against everything. Follow ups have always been good its just that Aventurine and Robin have elevated it to new heights. It also helps that the IPC is probably the most popular faction in the fandom almost as much as the Stellaron Hunters
Jingyuan has carried me since I got him. Recently with Harmony MC and Ruan Mei (and Gallagher) I got really good MOC results with a hybrid crit/break Jingyuan.
I genuinely don't understand people saying jing yuan is good. Unless you have sig LC, his damage is genuinely so bad I get better clears with almost anything
@@deadpaul6587Yeah. My JY takes like 6 cycles even tho he has very good investment for f2p. Meanwhile my RRAT team takes 1-2 cycles only. Genuinely regret Jing Yuan.
I remember how upset I was when I got Clara for my first 5 star because I wanted to get a support or a healer instead and pull for the limited hypercarries. But I got unlucky with my pulls so I struggled early on, because I used Clara as my "dps" and I needed both March and Natasha to sustain her since she needed to get hit to do damage. As a result, most of my SP was spent trying to keep her alive while dealing barely any damage at all. It was when I got Luocha that I saw the potential in follow up attacks and thought that maybe FUA just didn't have the right characters to enable the playstyle just yet. And sure enough Topaz came out and I pulled for her and the other IPC characters as well.
12:22 You say Ruan Mei is a "big downgrade" but how big are we talking about? Bcs for all the math I saw on most teams Ruan Mei and Robin have pretty similar performance with some teams favouring one or the other, and FUA does favour Robin, but I wonder how much of a damage loss is using Ruan Mei and IF she is indeed that big of a downgrade
Luocha’s healing field working in tandem with FUA works really nice, specifically with clara. She gets hit so much that the healing keeps the team near if not completely full
Yeah, I love that combo. Clara + Topaz + Robin + Luocha makes for a team that can't die and clears any content without even thinking about it. As long as no one gets one-shot then this team is and will stay absolutely insane.
FU team not only needs the base 5 star but also their signature LC and Eidolons for the most optimal performance, as Dr ratio requires at least 3 debuffs to guarantee a follow up on his skill, and both aventurine and topaz only provides 1 debuffs at base while robin doesn’t give any debuffs at all.
i think another strength of FuA is that they dont (necessarily) cost skill points. sure using himekos skill reduces toughness faster, and using skills may reduce enemy hp faster so herta can kuru kuru, but both of these affects can occur without the usage of sp. i’d say clara not being sp hungry to deal damage a part of what makes her so good.
The jump in DPS once I got Topaz and Robin to complete my IPC team was insane. I struggled hard with MOC 11 and 12 and this team just steamrolls everything. My Robin is barely built and my Aventurine is built for shields and not DPS and they can still brute force anything the game throws at me. It'll be interesting to see if star rail comes out with content that hard counters follow-ups.
Fua teams r also very fun to play, I don't think I'll ever be bored playing them. However, I've seen some people complain that their FuA team (mostly IPC) doesn't do the damage they usually see on showcases, The IPC team is high investment. You need at least E1 or S1 Topaz for it to work, yes you can still pull for E0S0 Topaz but that's just torture. Why when you can just use Pela and get better results. I feel bad for the people who fell for the bait and pulled for E0S0 Topaz, she also does mid dmg so you wouldn't wanna use her as a hyper either. You can pull for her if you really like her but just don't expect her to do anything at E0S0.
Yes, I've seen some comments saying E0S0 topaz works fine and stuff, but you're just playing RNG with Ratio, just don't torture yourself pls because Pela can alr shove a lot of debuffs. I don't think she can boost other FuA units too at E0S0. The team can work if you replace Robin With Ruan Mei, but Topaz is just really replaceable with literally any debuffer/harmony at E0S0.
Topaz does a decent fua amp on her skill but without a full dedicated fua team she’s definetly on the weaker side honestly I think robin was a pretty big topaz buff her talent procs can often times be underwhelming but the added robin dmg and proccing of aventurines shield etc make it work as for debuff count you need to run a trend tank or aventurine and you do get to 3 for single target but yeah sig lc do wonders to making it way easier
@@pieisgreat6210yeah she's still usable but she is just really replaceable with anyone at E0S0. I wouldn't use her with other FuA DPS at E0S0 since she will do nothing, the only one she can be used with is Ratio but she also can't provide enough debuffs unless you have E2 Aven or RM but that's just painful. Just run Ratio hyper + Aven.
@@Misuzuu975 nah this is cap, i have topaz e0s0 and she's working fine in my full ipc team, she provides an unconditional fua dmg boost to debuff that directly boosts both aventurine and ratio's dmg as well as increasing the frequency of aventurine's shield refresh and indirectly batterying robin's ult; also with debt, unnerved, and ratio's own effect res down on skill, he has all 3 debuffs needed to hit 100% fua
If this whole argument is based on her working with Dr. Ratio then that’s pointless because eventually there will be a better carry for the team and he will be replaced not topaz and she’s still a great sub dps I always hit 100k plus with just her lightcone so she’s always taking a chunk of damage out of bosses or cleaning up mobs
I wish you talked about the fuA for Yanqing and it’s over all clunkiness Or Xuiye and her synergy with the break meta Or characters who gain FuAs status that come from Eidolons like Bronya or QQ E4
Brother I made a "downfall" video, a why no one plays video, a support problem video, a healer problem video, a leak problem video. This is the first "positive" video I've made for HSR in a while 😂
@@VarsII that's cool. I left HSR after 3 months of playing because i don't like the fast powercreep of the game. And don't worry, i still follow the lore overall by watching on TH-cam videos.
I'm enchanted by how quickly this team annihilates anything. They took a single turn to finish Cocolia on SU 6 with only 2 of the 3 Elation resonances, it was crazy
I remember pulling for Topaz when she came out for the first time, I was running on fumes with the jades and I had to win a 50/50 and I ended up getting her and she’s been my favorite character ever since! glad to see that she works so great in FUA teams!
She's my favourite character to run around with. Numby is the cutest thing ever, I discover every single chest without even looking, thanks to the cutest thing ever and the other Trotters don't run away. Combine that with Acheron to skip the simple fights and I can focus entirely on the story lol.
"An Erudition FUA DPS would be amazing" *Jade is announced* *is an Erudition path character* *Is IPC so high likelyhood she's FUA just like Ratio, Topaz and Aventurine* well then
Even with multiple targets, full followup attack teams just do such an absurd amount of damage that it doesnt even matter when they 1-2 shot all normal enemies. Not to mention adventurine just always keeping your team alive just by existing
Good takes overall. But to be fair Aventurine has a few scenarios where he is the better sustain over Fu Xuan, specifically if you have to tank massive AoE nukes. Gepard also works but only if there are enough small hits coming his way to refill his ult between nukes. If you are running a team wide buffer in a follow up centric team Aventurine's damage can get quite sizeable. Lastly Dr. Ratio is affiliated with the Genius Society, not the IPC.
As an early Jing Yuan player, Elation was always my go-to (with hunt) as paths to clear SU. Now with Ratio, Topaz and Robin, I hated my life for not having Aventurine...
I've said it when Topaz first released and I pulled her over Jingliu. I really want to explore FUA. Now my main GG team consists of Ave, Clara (I refuse to pull for Robin) Topaz and Ratio and it carried me through Conundrum 6 where my Dot-Acheron team failed. And seeing how all the IPC units shape up to ve FUAers, we're in for a good time I'd say.
I need someone to make a Topaz, March 7th, Aventurine, and Clara squad and tell me how it performs. Theoretically a single attack on Clara would cause Clara and March to attack, causing Numby to attack, and giving Aventurine 4 stacks from the 1 hit. If the enemy hits the entire squad with an AOE that’s the full 7. It should theoretically make it have a ton of damage output with plenty of Numby attacks AND unlimited shields.
I haven't played for too long but I have Ratio, Robin, Topaz and Clara, so follow up attacks have been carrying me for a big part of the game now (I usually run two of them, Ratio/Topaz are the ones I use the most along with Robin and Gallagher), it is also very satisfying to use with for example ratio doing a follow up then topaz then ratio again
i genuinely want to cry bc i only started playing consistently again at the end of aventurine's banner bc i've been so busy at college i didn't have a lot of stellar jades. and i know he just ran but can he pls come back 😭😭 not only do i love his game play but playing 2.0 & 2.1 i love him as a character too, i need him back pls
I gotta say I love getting Robin as most of my team damage comes from follow up attacks! When Aventurine comes back I can replace Gerpard as my shielder and he can complete my follow up attack team!!
well yea her niche is break effect but soon once boothill and fire fly come out, their kits are based around break effect FF is sadly more favored due to having a super break kit, a special 4pc set made for her and a 2 pc planar set from character leaks
I feel like us Clara mains are united with the DoT mains in wanting a Nihility character that increases enemy speed in exchange for decreasing their damage (to an amount where you wouldn’t even need proper sustain in these teams) 🤝
Just wanted to name drop Xueyi who's a lowkey 4* follow up attacker. Sure you need to reduce toughness 8 times (6 if she's E6) and it doesn't do a lot of damage but combined with her element ignore break effect it does clutch weakness break sometimes 😂
cant wait for a new character that follow up a follow up of a follow up of a follow up until it becomes like a modern yugioh where everything can be done in 1turn (i mean like multiple moves in 1 turn b4 the enemy moves)
When everyone was making fun of Topaz and called her mid, i pulled E1S1 cus i loved her a lot, she is still my favourite character, and i used her with Clara, Himeko and Herta a ton (those two then became PF meta too) After getting free Ratio, i pulled his LC and it turned out E1S1 Topaz is the perfect teammate for him Got Aven because i liked his story and his kit When pulling for Robin, i got my first double pull in HSR so i got E1 Robin, pulled her LC too ofc And now i have the team people call biggest "p2w" just because i was pulling for who i liked instead of chasing meta like IL and Jingliu Topaz is amazing and will be with any future FuA character Pull for who you like, it’s way more fun and may turn out to be one if not the best team in the game lol Jing was never good, Blade was always middle of the pack, even Jingliu is kinda falling off lately meanwhile Topaz is getting stronger All the midpaz clowns crawling back to the best girl now lmao, it’s just so funny to me
Honestly I feel like follow up units are only so strong right now because they have one of the most fleshed out premium teams where every character is tailor made for it.
Because They Follow-Up on their attacks
Holy shit you're right
Omfg how did no one notice this
No way that’s crazy
Why does this comment radiate the vibes of a terrible joke...
Holy shit I didn't even noticed that
What makes follow up attacks so good?
Action Economy.
Ah yes, leave it to the IPC to have good "Economy"...
Do you play dnd by chance
What makes follow up so good?, MoC buffs based on character banners
I love how expensive the team is makes sense because the IPC characters are probably millionaires or billionaires lol, and Robin as a singer probably is quite wealthy as well
So expensive infact that I only have Ratio and Robin due to being free-to-Spain-without-the-S ;-;
@@quantumtheabyssalwolf950 March at e6 works ok as an aventurine replacement, although you really want topaz to get the most out of her. Im running Ratio, Topaz, Sparkle and March
I’ve got Aventurine, dr ratio, and Robin.. should I save up in the future for topaz? Or could I use aven and Robin with my kafka and black swan?
@@kiiyuuko if you can pull for E1S1 Topaz then that's the best team, but if you can't just use Pela instead. Aventurine and Robin are universal so you can use them with many other teams
I run Ratio Robin Ave and recently silverwolf. Since Day one of hsr I've run march. It was sad moving her yesterday. She can keep up with aventurine but her damage does not compare sadly. Her primary stat is focused on defense and her follow up damage doesn't keep up sadly. Now, if you build her as a backup pres running her and ave, focusing on attack, she can kinda keep up, but then it's scuffed
FUA is basically a way to sneak in additional attacks or actions in a limited cycle than what you are normally given based on your speed or advance forward. And on top of that it's just pretty funny seeing your FUA units cheesing SU because of Aftertaste.
Moving forward it would be interesting how DoT and FUA develop considering the units there look more like they're meant to build on their own playstyles. So now you have 3 general ways of dealing damage: the typical DPS of dealing damage as we do now, DoT that leverages enemy turn taking and action, and FUA with ways for you to deal more instances of damage or mechanics in the same cycle.
And they're going to put a 4th way with Boothill/Firefly: Break
@@varanisshouyou4379what mode do u do? and how do u cheese
@@deanthelemur1716u use elation and watch topaz break the game
It's the 9 types of cancer dealing enough damage to lower the enemy's HP bar from 50% to 0% for me. 😂 FUA is fun because when you manage to time Ratio's ult, Aventurine's stacks and Clara's FUA? It gets so funny
Break too
There are two specific kind of rewarding feelings that only follow-up and DOT can do, the feeling of "oh no I'm about to loose!? wait no just managed to take the win on the enemies turn."(dot is really good at this one) and "You're already dead, you just don't know it yet." when black swan has ulted and you're about to ult then skill with kafka into the enemy turn, or IPC follow-up when everyone has their ultimate and you're about to watch a 2 minute cutscene of the boss exploding
Dot was that but now it's more acheron one shot or
Dotcheron - "oh your still alive? How's your cancer?"
Boss - "cancer? I don't have any canc- repleghmehurgleack" 'dead'
@@Kspice9000 Well you're mostly describing Acheron herself instead of the general consensus of DoT. Acheron is Ult damage. Kafka/BS is DoT
@@Sp3nz. i agree that acheron has her own little niche within nihility that hasn't completely replaced kafka, but DoTcheron is very much real, especially in SU swarm disaster/gold and gears-if you have the right blessings, using black swan and kafka's ults to build up acheron's stacks is extremely satisfying
11:58 March 7th and Xueyi are also 4stars with accessible FUA's, especially with eidolons! They aren't cracked damage dealers, but they are absolutely sufficient for reaping the benefits of Elation blessings in SU.
Xueyi awesome because she’s good for FUA style and Break style
They’ve really start to form this “engine” that feels really fun, and still feels like there’s a wide space available. Aventurine and Topaz LC having debuff FUA effects also makes Ratio such a delight.
I can see future potential for more “Counter” based FUA, where a new sustain debuffs an enemy’s defenses whenever that enemy attacks for clara / march / aventurine buffs.
I also would love to see burst and bounce FUA for some wackiness outside the Hunt and Erudition FUA. Or like a character that charges up FUA from overhealing. Or a character that gains charges based on instances of any ally attacking, including ult and FUA.
They’re just straight up fun in a turn based game, and have a lot of open design space
Lastly, with the IPC squad synergizing so well together, it’s so cool and fun that it almost retroactively makes the rest of the characters oddly less spicy. Like, it feels like Xueyi and Hanya should synergize, or Gui and Sushang, or the Stellaron Hunters, or Asta and Arlan. These synergies add this feeling of cohesion and relation, flavor-blasting these mechanics the FUA engine.
"Imo, Xueyi and Hanya do have synergy. Xueyi, while scaling from break effect, does also want other buffs like ATK and SPD, and she also needs a SP positive teammate to counter her SP negative playstyle (I mean, almost every DPS does need that) and Hanya provides all off those things." is what I would say before HMC came out
I always thought that Kafkas FuA was designed the way it was for blade since his main attacking way is through basic attacks,
But i could also understand the stelleron hunters out of everyone not having synergy from a story perspective since they are all only together by circumstance of their own goals rather than cohesion
@@Sansrival1113 Like, if Xueyi allowed 2 SP to an omni break Skill, and Hanya placed a debuff that could increase break efficiency, they’d both age so much better and have such nice synergy while having their nice niche effects.
But yeah after HMC, like Hanya has even less of a place
I don't like how premium it is tho, considering how Ratio needs those debuffs
Tbf is very much in character for the IPC to be so expensive xD
@@EngelAguilar god so true. Just like one new non-erudition FUA damage focused 4-star would be great. I’d personally love a burst or bounce FUA for some wackiness that can help wear down toughness.
Another point for non hypercarry teams is flexiblity. We've all had those moments where the hyper carry leaves an enemy on like hp and have to go through another cycle because the supports do no damage and have to waste an important resource like a jingliu charge. With duel dps or team like ipc fua where everyone does their share of damage. The problem with dual hunt is that they are good at deleting enemies 1 by 1 but they have to waste time dealing with trash mobs. Aventurine can thin out or at least weaken the mobs enough and robin ult can add more damage so they can actual kill. Also with these dual carry comps it lets you cover more contents since they cover multiple weakness breaks. Also if something happens to your hyper carry you're likely to lose a cycle but with ipc team the damage is more spread evenly so say if something happens to ratio you still lose a big chunk of damage you don't lose everything. This is a reason why im hyped for break teams and eventually want to make a dot team when the banners rerun or new units come out.
Dotcheron "wait yalls dudes don't just die from after cancer."
I also love using Elation path in the various stimulated universe as I am huge fan of follow up attacks!
I only play Elation bc it's so busted. Free skill points for FUAs, 100% def shred dice face, auspicious star and brain in the vat and thw turn reset hunt buffs all makes it so the enemy never takes a turn for every phase they have. I can do conundrum 12, disruption 11 easy with trotter extrapolation and probably even higher if I use other dice.
Elation went from a useless path I always hated seeing (I had basically no FuA characters besides QQ) to my favorite path to run once I got Topaz. Once you get the ball rolling, your turn never ends with enemy delays and infinite skill points.
@@sehtuk3953 to be honest I didn’t play till October (when it came out for ps5) so my first 5 star (that wasn’t standard) was actually Topaz and I loved her! So I guess I have always been a fan of the elation path!
But yeah I can understand in the beginning it being more of the weaker paths.
@@The_Celestial_Fox yup one of my favorite blessings is that level 2 one that gives 65% (100% upgraded) chance of a recovered skill point for every follow up attack! It’s so busted!!
@redlox2 That one and the one that delays enemy action by 12%! I will always bum rush to try to get those and auspicious star lol Topaz becomes a sp generator lol
Out of turn actions are very very valuable in turn based games. We've had tastes of this already all the way in the early months of the game with Clara and Luocha (altough his action Is not a FUA)
Its a FUH (Follow Up Heal)
@@gabrielgelen767I love my FUH tbh, pronounced like Pho lmao
Tecnicaly its an fua or follow up action
Is the same reason why, in Pokémon, intimidate is one of the Best abilities. You not only Get to put a better Pokémon on field for the situation, You are reducing enemy damage at the same time
It's like Yugioh, where strong decks either stop the opponent from playing or playing on their turn.
Vars : Follow-up characters - What make them so powerful?
Me : Money, Vars money. 💰
Aventurine - Money
Topaz - Money
Ratio - Knowledge, the measure of truth
Ahh yess money....as expected from the IPC....right....right...
@@darkdude1996ifyHimeko: humanity dreams of conquering the stars, and I’m no exception *shoots you with a satellite death ray*
Jing Yuan: Radiant spirit, heed my word... SHOW NO MERCY! *Proceeds to use massive spear to kill you*
Oh please someone mention herta, plz..
To add onto the point of fua compounding on each other lets just look at topaz alone in the ipc fua team
Topaz can fuel 2/3 of aventurine ally fua stacks while ratio can fill the last. Topaz is going to be attacking the most often on that team so she’s going to be batterying the most energy for robin and benfiting from robins bonus damage the most. She makes the team able to cover both imaginary and fire weak enemies which a lot of other comps cannot boast since they primarily focus on one weakness type. Then she provides a debuff for ratio and buffs everyones fua while still being able to provide a good chunk of damage. She syngersies with all 3 other characters on the team while in most other teams funnel everything into the main dps.
When I went all in on Topaz on release they called me a mad man! Who’s laughing now!?
Investing in victory means playing the longgg gameee
Topaz is an investment unit indeed
Aha, it's always Aha who's laughing.
In the Portuguese localization all follow ups attacks are translated as "extra attacks".
I mean..... that's what they are
They laughed at you Topaz, they even doubted you! Stand proud knowing you ARE the future (pls dont tax me)
it is actually animal abuse..., she slings Numby at enemies, her own pet😅😅 taxes are fine, as long as you dont have any unpaid debt you still have to pay...😅
Topass sweep 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
I'm considering getting her, is e0 no cone recommended?
@@unknowny_youIf you want to play her with Ratio, it is recommended to get either cone or e1, otherwise Ratio’s follow-ups would be less consistent.
@@unknowny_you she is pretty decent at e0s0, just noticeably harder to use with ratio (which im assuming is the plan)
at that point itd be whether you like her playstyle and if you want to invest in FUA teams since she will likely still be usable in future fua teams
Follow-up attacks have been my favorite thing about star rail since version 1. That first combat event that let me trial Himeko and Herta together really sold me on this game.
"assuming of course there is no hard once per turn" YGO moment 6:50
inb4 we get Vars IV the yugioh channel 👀
master duel, best streaming app ever, you can watch ppl play yugioh in realtime with no lag or latency
Caught me off guard
I saw him pull up rhongo bongo in another video and thought 'damn this guy likes all the stuff I like'
Smash, yugioh, fire emblem, off the top of my head dude's pockets run deep
What I love about follow up attacks is that they naturally produce the most nail bitting scenarios because since follow ups are inherently a response to something else you get moments that you get into a situation where you are praying for that follow up to happen to clutch the game. It happened to me while I was very nee to the game and was playing SU World 2 with a bunch of 4 stars and Physical TB and the last boss was incredible how Herta’s talent would save me cause she broke the toughness gauge or killed the spawned minions right before they killed my units. Its very fun
IPC meeting of the ten stonehearts: Now, we need to follow up on this uncollected Debt. And we need to do a Follow up on...
"There weren't any teammates for Topaz other than Jingyuan"
I'm sorry when did Clara stop existing?
For real. Clara's only become more goated since aventurine/robin release as well.
Somehow in an entire video on fua, Clara is barely mentioned, which is crazy given that she has arguably the highest damage ceiling of all fua characters
Me who use topaz and Clara together for the longest time until aventurine came along feel ur pain
@@ameliens becuz she's functionally different from the rest. She is "passive" FUA, while the rest is "active", I mean do you REALLY want to make Clara a DD nowaday? Unless you can give taunt to her and also a heck tons of heal/shield she ain't gonna last, and if you build her with more defense then obviously her dmg will suffer, heck I use full set dmg reduction on her, bring along Lynx and my team Ratio Topaz Lynx Clara still can't clear MoC 11 second half.
@@Kspice9000
I used to run them with aventurine and robin but tbh she's... Kind of a secondary tank in that placement, considering that she's the same damage eater as ave but it's less consistent because it requires she be hit. She's still hella effective, but I find she's better ran with march as support to guide enemies into the right choice. She still averages 20k damage a hit for me once her buff is fully applied, she's still _great,_ just... Very niche.
I play other turn-based games with out-of-turns actions that procs (both damage, support and healing), so I knew immediately how strong follow-ups will be. So after seeing auto-heals, damaging ones is next, and we've seen how it took people a while to recognise Clara's kit potential.
Secretly? Ive built my entire hsr experience around fua, it all began with clara 😮💨
Same Clara as my first 5* was my start of building fua team. I'm only missing Topaz for premium, but using only Ratio - Robin - Aventurine (sign) - Silver wolf can net me a decent 3 / 4 cycle in moc 12. I choose robin over topaz because Topaz at E0S0 can't proc Ratio's follow up consistently as her at S1 or E1
I only started playing at the very end of 2.1 and I count myself so lucky to have been able to get the entire Follow-up Attack team since. It's extremely fun and getting to use Dr. Ratio, who got me into this game in the first place, is very satisfying
There is a saying in Chinese for stuff 'working off eachother', and it goes along the lines of 'left foot stepping on the right foot and we reach the sky' and that is so real for the IPC FUA team like that's what some people have decided to call them in CN now
They always give a buff for the follow up attack characters in both MoC and PF
The "VARS" watermark that appears every so often gave me an idea... reduce the size by half, farther lower the opacity, and then have it bounce around the screen slowly like old DVD players. lol
Topaz is there only to sell. Our cute numby is the real character
God damn i f*ing love follow-up attacks, the didn't have to go that hard in aesthetic and playstyle and dropped my girl topaz *followed up* by the imaginary daddies and then WELCOME TO MYY... WOOOORLD
11:59 to be frank you can get Himeko if you are either unlucky in a 50/50 (like I was with Acheron, which I’m still pissed about) or you can get her via the 300 pull on the standard banner assuming you already have Bronya.
Not to mention you could get Dr. Ratio for FREE back in 2.0 and 2.1 so a lot of people already have him.
This is good timing because I'm struggling with content lately as a f2p with limited 5* units, and I'm incapable of playing some meta archetypes for missing key units. Most of my DPS are hypercarries too. I got Robin super early with one 10-pull. Sadly it seems like her best team is the FUA IPC gang, of which I was missing Topaz. I don't even have Ratio fully built since I didn't have a good team for him. So I threw singles while doing Penacony things, and I just got Topaz relatively early at 56 pity. I know I shot myself in the foot with future banners but I'm excited to be able to play FUA at last! When I finish building Ratio and Topaz, of course.
The biggest problem with Ratio Topaz Robin team is if you do not S1 them with their signature light cone their damage potential takes quite a big hit.
In particular Topaz light cone is crucial to get ratio's passive procc chance up to 100. I don't think there is other teams that has their damage discounted that much just because they don't have their lightcone.
11:30 Just wait until nihility trailblazer enables DOT crits..... BET
Aventurine
Bust?
@@VeraExora or maybe I'll take it all!😈😈😈🤑🤑🤑
I was always confused why erudition didn't get a part in su, after play golden gears
I see why
Got Jing Yuan since Day 1 of his banner. Got Topaz for him. Got Ratio for free. Only regret is I wasn't able to get Aventurine and I lost on Robin banner.
For me follow up started at march -> Dr ratio -> himeko -> herta and will end at clara (300 selection).
No jades to pull adventurine, topaz, robin.
Someone please give me money / jades / pass.
12:04 I think it’s safe to add xueyi to this category, while yes her e6 is vital she still can work if you manage to give her enough turns and are against a quantum weak enemy. But even if they aren’t weak to quantum you could put her on a fua team like:
Robin, topaz, aventurine, xueyi
And the enemy is weak to any of the elements on your team you’ll attack enough times to get her karma stakes and her ult can reduce toughness without the enemy being weak to quantum giving even more karma stacks and with future characters like fugue coming out who will make it so she can reduce more toughness maybe a hybrid team like:
HMC, robin, aventurine/lingsha, xueyi
Could work. Just speculation so take it with a grain of salt
Btw fugue could also work instead of HMC for the hybrid team when she comes out
I have a bit of a question. Clara was my first standard banner character, and thus most developed (used quite a bit in the beginning too). I want to put her in a FUA team, but it feels like the majority of FUA team conversation is around Dr Ratio, Topaz and Aventurine, and Clara is almost never mentioned. Do those three just work better together? Does Clara clash with the others?
My still-to-be-built Clara team: Clara/Topaz/Tingyun/Lynx. (I don't have Aventurine, and Ratio is still at level 1.)
As someone that REALLY enjoyed the FuA even before Dr. Ratio. It makes me soo happy to see that it's becoming such a strong team despite being purely for fun!
11:45 The reason why i personally won't go full follow-up team cuz there's no current way to fully manipulate/control the mechanic
there is a style of gamplay that i don't know if i love or hate, thats the break team. so the pros is that break leave the enemy weak and deals more dot but the cons is that if you can break the enemy in time or not with the right unit your damage will be low... having character that don't care to much who break is now the best, now with boothill i will be less scare to use luka, or the herta himeko ruan mei combo.... but now with harmony mc you can break even if there is nothing to break, and i really want more characters like that.
so we have 4 main style of gameplay: hypercarry, DoT, follow up and break, but you can have more than one in one team... thats why i like honkai
> Follow-Up characters are the most future proof
> March 7th has follow-ups
Alright, the plan is coming together
As turn based games are my favorite games I find it annoying that he has to disparage them at the start of every star rail video
he's not wrong though. Turn-based is fine but HSR's combat is very simplistic compared to other games.
Even compared to other turn based games hsr is simplistic and is still my fav even though I wish it was more complicated.
The first time I ever encountered the concept of follow-up attacks was in Persona. I am a huge JRPG fan and my main series as a kid was Final Fantasy which was about as JRPG as you could get, especially with the turn-based combat system of the earlier games (I hit you, then you hit me, repeat until someone dies). So the idea of "I hit an enemy, then my teammate follows up and hits the enemy immediately after me" was so new and cool to me when it was first introduced. I'm glad they are expanding the FUA meta in HSR and hope they continue to innovate on it.
Started a new account right before 2.1 ends (for free ratio) and now I have the premium fua team (minus aventurine since I lost 50/50). So far I have been breezing thru every content except for moc and pure fiction. It's insane how they all support each other's kit beautifully that I doubt there will be any replacement for either 4 in the near future. (Now I just need to figure out how to build my seccond team)
I look forward to what else kind of future comps there will be. Maybe action advance might be the next after super break
7:21 funny you say that, that firefly is technically in that category
At least they kept her from being absurdly op by making her a glass cannon, I love how strong she is but if anyone complains about her HP being low I feel it’s necessary to remind them that if it were higher then she’d be way too overpowered
@@DG_Toti as normal phase she is glass Cannon but is ultimate state she basically invisible
As someone who's been on this train since jing yuan's first banner, it honestly feels like the end of an era of suffering to see this video; one i've been praying to see Vars make one day for AGES now!
Feels good to win at last, man.
I like how everything got a little change of scenario or even new entire unit to "buff" their niches.
Break Effect, Follow-Ups and even Applying debuffs that doesn't really doesn't damage directly but flavour the next strike.
There will be even a new end game for The Hunt chars! That's so much to wait for.
Crazy stuff, HSR is doing great imo.
my list:
-Not being able to control when it happens, Jingyuans lightning lord when the enemy is at 1%
-Penacony, the tv screen who provides that sweet sweet energy, but you cant if you anger then because of follow up attacks.
-the relics....
-Not being able to choose who gets hit, esp when there is a boss that needs the weakness break and it randomly hits a different enemy.
-Not bbeing able to choose who gets hit to trigger the other follow-up attack.
-now with all the debuffs, the debuff relics is such a good choice for so many characters
-When there is a boss like the bug that multiplies, you will be risking more damage, just like the tv screens in penacony, where when you hit them and become angry, your entire team gets hit.
You forgot Xueyi is a 4 star follow up who has amazing synergy in a break effect follow up team with Himeko, her ult also procs her own follow up very easily if you have Ruan Mei along with Xueyi being easy to E6
(11:30) I PERSONALLY strongly disagree about "crit being useless on dot units is a con", because you can have an easier time with investing in a dot character without worrying about crit ratios. (Yes, I am still salty about barely getting any crit substats and rolls on my relics.)
I like Marvel Strike Force how employs Follow-Up Attacks, in which certain characters will engage a follow up attack if they have significant connections lore-wise, for example.
Black Widow’s passive can level up to have her gain about a 50% chance of calling for an assist from Hawkeye during normal attacks, if he’s in the party.
Cyclops has an attack that will call assists from 2 allies with the X-Men trait to attack different targets.
Topaz and King Yuan with "mid" allegations despite being very very good. Had Jing Yuan since release and he hard carried me against everything. Follow ups have always been good its just that Aventurine and Robin have elevated it to new heights. It also helps that the IPC is probably the most popular faction in the fandom almost as much as the Stellaron Hunters
Jingyuan has carried me since I got him. Recently with Harmony MC and Ruan Mei (and Gallagher) I got really good MOC results with a hybrid crit/break Jingyuan.
He still mid
I genuinely don't understand people saying jing yuan is good. Unless you have sig LC, his damage is genuinely so bad I get better clears with almost anything
@@deadpaul6587Yeah. My JY takes like 6 cycles even tho he has very good investment for f2p. Meanwhile my RRAT team takes 1-2 cycles only. Genuinely regret Jing Yuan.
I remember how upset I was when I got Clara for my first 5 star because I wanted to get a support or a healer instead and pull for the limited hypercarries. But I got unlucky with my pulls so I struggled early on, because I used Clara as my "dps" and I needed both March and Natasha to sustain her since she needed to get hit to do damage. As a result, most of my SP was spent trying to keep her alive while dealing barely any damage at all.
It was when I got Luocha that I saw the potential in follow up attacks and thought that maybe FUA just didn't have the right characters to enable the playstyle just yet. And sure enough Topaz came out and I pulled for her and the other IPC characters as well.
12:22 You say Ruan Mei is a "big downgrade" but how big are we talking about? Bcs for all the math I saw on most teams Ruan Mei and Robin have pretty similar performance with some teams favouring one or the other, and FUA does favour Robin, but I wonder how much of a damage loss is using Ruan Mei and IF she is indeed that big of a downgrade
FUA seems so fun, but I would have to invest from scratch and get every character except for Ratio who I got for free. 😢
Luocha’s healing field working in tandem with FUA works really nice, specifically with clara. She gets hit so much that the healing keeps the team near if not completely full
Yeah, I love that combo. Clara + Topaz + Robin + Luocha makes for a team that can't die and clears any content without even thinking about it. As long as no one gets one-shot then this team is and will stay absolutely insane.
Soon we see a video on break effect units probably after boothill release. For sure after Firefly
FU team not only needs the base 5 star but also their signature LC and Eidolons for the most optimal performance, as Dr ratio requires at least 3 debuffs to guarantee a follow up on his skill, and both aventurine and topaz only provides 1 debuffs at base while robin doesn’t give any debuffs at all.
why did you put topaz so low in your tierlist then????
i think another strength of FuA is that they dont (necessarily) cost skill points. sure using himekos skill reduces toughness faster, and using skills may reduce enemy hp faster so herta can kuru kuru, but both of these affects can occur without the usage of sp. i’d say clara not being sp hungry to deal damage a part of what makes her so good.
love how u used the word cornerstone there you sneaky sneaky hahaha
The jump in DPS once I got Topaz and Robin to complete my IPC team was insane. I struggled hard with MOC 11 and 12 and this team just steamrolls everything. My Robin is barely built and my Aventurine is built for shields and not DPS and they can still brute force anything the game throws at me. It'll be interesting to see if star rail comes out with content that hard counters follow-ups.
Getting Topaz E1S1 was def a good investment I made from her first banner. Especially with the leaked wind hunt character coming out with fua. 😉
Omg? Ratio replacement?
@GreenhouseGoblin Hopefully they have good scaling because I can't wait to replace ratio. He's not bad but he's not prime dps material.
Fua teams r also very fun to play, I don't think I'll ever be bored playing them. However, I've seen some people complain that their FuA team (mostly IPC) doesn't do the damage they usually see on showcases, The IPC team is high investment. You need at least E1 or S1 Topaz for it to work, yes you can still pull for E0S0 Topaz but that's just torture. Why when you can just use Pela and get better results. I feel bad for the people who fell for the bait and pulled for E0S0 Topaz, she also does mid dmg so you wouldn't wanna use her as a hyper either. You can pull for her if you really like her but just don't expect her to do anything at E0S0.
Yes, I've seen some comments saying E0S0 topaz works fine and stuff, but you're just playing RNG with Ratio, just don't torture yourself pls because Pela can alr shove a lot of debuffs. I don't think she can boost other FuA units too at E0S0. The team can work if you replace Robin With Ruan Mei, but Topaz is just really replaceable with literally any debuffer/harmony at E0S0.
Topaz does a decent fua amp on her skill but without a full dedicated fua team she’s definetly on the weaker side honestly I think robin was a pretty big topaz buff her talent procs can often times be underwhelming but the added robin dmg and proccing of aventurines shield etc make it work as for debuff count you need to run a trend tank or aventurine and you do get to 3 for single target but yeah sig lc do wonders to making it way easier
@@pieisgreat6210yeah she's still usable but she is just really replaceable with anyone at E0S0. I wouldn't use her with other FuA DPS at E0S0 since she will do nothing, the only one she can be used with is Ratio but she also can't provide enough debuffs unless you have E2 Aven or RM but that's just painful. Just run Ratio hyper + Aven.
@@Misuzuu975 nah this is cap, i have topaz e0s0 and she's working fine in my full ipc team, she provides an unconditional fua dmg boost to debuff that directly boosts both aventurine and ratio's dmg as well as increasing the frequency of aventurine's shield refresh and indirectly batterying robin's ult; also with debt, unnerved, and ratio's own effect res down on skill, he has all 3 debuffs needed to hit 100% fua
If this whole argument is based on her working with Dr. Ratio then that’s pointless because eventually there will be a better carry for the team and he will be replaced not topaz and she’s still a great sub dps I always hit 100k plus with just her lightcone so she’s always taking a chunk of damage out of bosses or cleaning up mobs
I wish you talked about the fuA for Yanqing and it’s over all clunkiness
Or Xuiye and her synergy with the break meta
Or characters who gain FuAs status that come from Eidolons like Bronya or QQ E4
Star rail content: positive trends
Genshin impact content: downfalls of characters
He actually critizes HSR a lot more, but that also means there's a lot of things we can talk about HSR
Wasn’t Arlecchino a massive step in the right direction?
HSR players really can’t get Genshin out of their mouths
Brother I made a "downfall" video, a why no one plays video, a support problem video, a healer problem video, a leak problem video. This is the first "positive" video I've made for HSR in a while 😂
@@f.b.iagent3971...that is a Genshin player you're replying to
@@VarsII that's cool.
I left HSR after 3 months of playing because i don't like the fast powercreep of the game.
And don't worry, i still follow the lore overall by watching on TH-cam videos.
I'm enchanted by how quickly this team annihilates anything. They took a single turn to finish Cocolia on SU 6 with only 2 of the 3 Elation resonances, it was crazy
I remember pulling for Topaz when she came out for the first time, I was running on fumes with the jades and I had to win a 50/50 and I ended up getting her and she’s been my favorite character ever since! glad to see that she works so great in FUA teams!
She's my favourite character to run around with. Numby is the cutest thing ever, I discover every single chest without even looking, thanks to the cutest thing ever and the other Trotters don't run away. Combine that with Acheron to skip the simple fights and I can focus entirely on the story lol.
"An Erudition FUA DPS would be amazing"
*Jade is announced*
*is an Erudition path character*
*Is IPC so high likelyhood she's FUA just like Ratio, Topaz and Aventurine*
well then
Jade doesn’t mesh well with fua teams, she’s good with the other fua types like blade AKA AoE fua
@@constabrielbell4523 I didn't say anything about that can you READ what someone says before commenting please
@@TheJH1015 Why are u defensive? just said she supports the other type of fua
@@constabrielbell4523 because none of what you said has to do with what I said
Even with multiple targets, full followup attack teams just do such an absurd amount of damage that it doesnt even matter when they 1-2 shot all normal enemies. Not to mention adventurine just always keeping your team alive just by existing
Good takes overall. But to be fair Aventurine has a few scenarios where he is the better sustain over Fu Xuan, specifically if you have to tank massive AoE nukes. Gepard also works but only if there are enough small hits coming his way to refill his ult between nukes. If you are running a team wide buffer in a follow up centric team Aventurine's damage can get quite sizeable.
Lastly Dr. Ratio is affiliated with the Genius Society, not the IPC.
5:50 ..... uh.... Yanqing also has a follow up in his kit...... I guess he's so forgettable that you forgot about it
As an early Jing Yuan player, Elation was always my go-to (with hunt) as paths to clear SU. Now with Ratio, Topaz and Robin, I hated my life for not having Aventurine...
I LOVE FOLLOW UP ATTACKS!!! I LOVE THE IPC!!!
I've said it when Topaz first released and I pulled her over Jingliu. I really want to explore FUA. Now my main GG team consists of Ave, Clara (I refuse to pull for Robin) Topaz and Ratio and it carried me through Conundrum 6 where my Dot-Acheron team failed. And seeing how all the IPC units shape up to ve FUAers, we're in for a good time I'd say.
I got Topass but still feel like I'm doing no damage, not having Aventurine or any good light cones. Meh.
I need someone to make a Topaz, March 7th, Aventurine, and Clara squad and tell me how it performs. Theoretically a single attack on Clara would cause Clara and March to attack, causing Numby to attack, and giving Aventurine 4 stacks from the 1 hit. If the enemy hits the entire squad with an AOE that’s the full 7. It should theoretically make it have a ton of damage output with plenty of Numby attacks AND unlimited shields.
I haven't played for too long but I have Ratio, Robin, Topaz and Clara, so follow up attacks have been carrying me for a big part of the game now (I usually run two of them, Ratio/Topaz are the ones I use the most along with Robin and Gallagher), it is also very satisfying to use with for example ratio doing a follow up then topaz then ratio again
i genuinely want to cry bc i only started playing consistently again at the end of aventurine's banner bc i've been so busy at college i didn't have a lot of stellar jades. and i know he just ran but can he pls come back 😭😭 not only do i love his game play but playing 2.0 & 2.1 i love him as a character too, i need him back pls
I gotta say I love getting Robin as most of my team damage comes from follow up attacks! When Aventurine comes back I can replace Gerpard as my shielder and he can complete my follow up attack team!!
The X on Sampo warms my FUA heart.
I like how they can just go whenever conditions are met lol.
I hear the music you're using, you've been secretly addicted to pokerogue haven't you?
I find it adorable that Herta's kuru-kuru chibi is in this video, hahaha!
8:45 Gepard and Aventurine: "Wanna bet?"
Lmao right?
I pulled Topaz on design and Clara synergy alone. I have yet to regret thigh-this decision.
I’m sad Vars forgot Xueyi exists but tbf while not entirely necessary it is a bit clunky to play her without her E6
well yea her niche is break effect but soon once boothill and fire fly come out, their kits are based around break effect
FF is sadly more favored due to having a super break kit, a special 4pc set made for her and a 2 pc planar set from character leaks
@@eii7284her niche is still follow-ups, there’s a reason her ideal planar ornament set is salsotto and not talia.
@@DG_Toti there will come out planar sets and gear specifically for her
FUA and DOT teams are some of the most fun there is
I feel like us Clara mains are united with the DoT mains in wanting a Nihility character that increases enemy speed in exchange for decreasing their damage (to an amount where you wouldn’t even need proper sustain in these teams) 🤝
I just want followup erudition and hunt characters for multiple waves, multiple enemies and bosses respectively
Just wanted to name drop Xueyi who's a lowkey 4* follow up attacker. Sure you need to reduce toughness 8 times (6 if she's E6) and it doesn't do a lot of damage but combined with her element ignore break effect it does clutch weakness break sometimes 😂
cant wait for a new character that follow up a follow up of a follow up of a follow up
until it becomes like a modern yugioh where everything can be done in 1turn (i mean like multiple moves in 1 turn b4 the enemy moves)
could have mentioned that cc not only removes their general value but also drastically reduces the uptime they have
Fun fact: If you somehow got 2 E6 Dr. Ratios on a team with 214% energy regen, they would infinitely combo
Maybe that’s why they don’t let us have two copies of each character LOL
When everyone was making fun of Topaz and called her mid, i pulled E1S1 cus i loved her a lot, she is still my favourite character, and i used her with Clara, Himeko and Herta a ton (those two then became PF meta too)
After getting free Ratio, i pulled his LC and it turned out E1S1 Topaz is the perfect teammate for him
Got Aven because i liked his story and his kit
When pulling for Robin, i got my first double pull in HSR so i got E1 Robin, pulled her LC too ofc
And now i have the team people call biggest "p2w" just because i was pulling for who i liked instead of chasing meta like IL and Jingliu
Topaz is amazing and will be with any future FuA character
Pull for who you like, it’s way more fun and may turn out to be one if not the best team in the game lol
Jing was never good, Blade was always middle of the pack, even Jingliu is kinda falling off lately meanwhile Topaz is getting stronger
All the midpaz clowns crawling back to the best girl now lmao, it’s just so funny to me
I need to see how good Break effect will be.
One of my favorite PMD tracks ❤
Honestly I feel like follow up units are only so strong right now because they have one of the most fleshed out premium teams where every character is tailor made for it.
Everyone doubted you Topaz, Stand proud, you're strong
fine you convinced me to build the follow up team