I didn't get her early enough to use outside of her tutorial appearance, so I just assumed she needed better relics to be used more effectively. Boy was I glad I had started farming those relics when pf showed up.
Beside PF, she is always mediocre and still is. She certainly benifit a lot from recent meta, but after this version, her mediocrity will probably become more apparent again. I dont know what kind of drug does VarsII take would make him commont on himiko's strength based on current meta, which is extremely biased toward fire weakness. As he said, himiko's weakness is always too situational and rely too much on fire weakness enermy. No fire weakness=>hard to trigger her passive=>no dmg .The current version of the game is the best she can get and there wont be too much room for her to grow. There is still probability that himeko can do well in the future, depending what character mihoyo wanted to promote over that whole 2.x(something like jingliu in 1.x), I dont think there is a single MoC 12 missing ice weakness after jingliu and before acheron come out. If that character is selected to be FF, then himiko may still have some chance to be good, but I dont think it would as rediculous as current meta anyway since there are they need to promote in each meta.
Nah, the whole moc rn is tailored for FF and BH(mostly FF) Enemies on floor 12 literally only require breaking the shield and they all get vulnerability. Also the introduction of Gallagher
About 9:10 Firefly and Himeko ABSOLUTELY has synergy with each other. Firefly ignores weakness and applies fire weakness with her technique and skill which creates more opportunities for Himeko do to her follow up attacks.
Im surprised you didnt mention Gallaghers release as a huge buff to himeko, her main issue was that there was no consistant driver for the fire weakness break and then you release gallagher who not only heals your entire party, generates skill points and has a cleanse but also has both insane single target for boss and multitarget for the goons break capabilities. He works so well with her you can throw in any other 2 units with the duo and you clear every single current gamemode.
You can do so even better with Firefly who can be used universally anywhere without fire weak mobs. Gallagher is good but just note he will be tied to fire weak stages just like Himeko.
Yeah I kinda went into the Sunday Boss Fight with my Argenti team and got a bit cooked. I was already building Himeko and Herta to use in the AOE content of the game, now I am building her and Gallagher to use with the Superbreak mechanic......but Who should I use for the battle? Himeko and Trailblazer have a spot in the team, I have built and used Luocha(E1 btw won a 50/50 I wanted to lose) ever since I got him in Acheron's debut so I dunno if I should keep him or go with Gallagher.....and I need one last party member.....who should I use?
@@garreonlefay6703 I for some reason thought you were trying to beat PF. For Sunday, wait for March 7th new form, she is great at breaking if you pair her with a high speed Luocha running Multiply
@@fordzfinland6862 Nah, This Himeko is Never gonna let you go Never gonna turn around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
So happy Himeko is finally getting the credit she deserves. I built her since day 1 but am so happy she’s good. I used her with Kafka before Black Swan was a character and before Acheron and I robin she was the 3rd mommy I used in my triple mommy team.
0:54 Bronya is still a good choice even in break teams since she doubles the damage your break dps deals per turn due to her turn advance when you spd tune her after your dps even if her buffs are unnecessary
Honkai Impact 3rd Himeko fan stocks keep rising, NEVER LET YOU GO, THAT'S WHY I DID IT ALL, FOR A CHANCE AT LEAST, TO LIVE IN YOUR WAY, LOVE OF YOU, IS MY MOST CHERISHED THING, SO STAY ALIVE, BRAVELY
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did plan that far ahead. Genshin Impact’s starter character Lisa scales with Elemental Mastery as an electro character. This was virtually useless before Sumeru
Literally her only “problem” was “hur dur bosses need single target damage” as if literally every single boss doesnt have minions, so thank god shes proved that nonsense wrong
It wasn't nonsense. The only reason pure fiction exists is because the devs didn't make enemies and scenarios that let erudition characters shine. Then they made pure fiction so now erudition has its uses
@@isshonsaha8673they created pure fiction because people were complaining, not because Erudition had no places. If anything, it’s hunt that we’re in the hardest spot, except Seele, but she doesn’t really function like other hunts, and is thus much better.
It was a problem for the longest time, because even when bosses had minions , once those were gone, you just had a much more beefy boss, which Himeko struggled against. PF and SB were almost tailor made for characters like her to bring them into the meta. Even now she's rated super low for MOC.
She was my second 5* (obtained from standard banner before ever pulling on the limited banner) and I never saw the issue with her. I knew early on that she was meant to be a late game unit thanks tonher A6 and saw that the pairing with Herta was insane from miles away. Glad to see people no longer shitting on her though.
So lucky to immediately E1 her. After pulling for Ruan Mei, just trying my luck on Firefly banner, Himeko came home in 3 pass (now I'm guaranteed for Jiaoqiu). What I really need is more erudition character for Pure Fiction. Then after a few days, tried pulling on standard banner and got her again😭.
After not even knowing who she was, then watching the pain and suffering she’s been through from Hi3 and on, she is everything I need her to be. Make sure her cup is always full.
Been runnin Himeko, HTB, RM and Gall in DU and the new AS mode and have been really happy with the results. Was happy with her when PF dropped as well, glad she's turned around from her 1.0 standing.
I got e3 himeko in the first week of game at relase. I invested fully in her. Yesterday with the montly reset i got another copy of her. Yep, im happy.
Very lucky. Instead I have just Himeko E0...from the selector...after spending a lot of jades on it... I play HSR just to play her (I bruteforced a lot of contents with her since 1.3), I pulled JY's for her. Now I want only more Eidolons, but she ( and Clara) don't exist in my games.
Got a friend to start playing Star Rail during 1.5 and they got Yanqing as their 5-star from yhe beginner banner. My only consolation to them was, "at least its not Himeko" ... Nope, turns out they took away even that.
Yanqing just needs a specific support to boost him up. Which can easily happen depending on various ways they expand on gameplay. He very much feels like a "HSR Keqing" to me.
@@amandaslough125 Himeko is more like HSR Keqing. Keqing got buffed by dendro. Himeko got buffed by PF and super break. Yanqing has no niche and is competing with RRAT team and Boothill, and loses massively. Aventurine fixed his passive uptime issue but his damage is just lacking.
@@amandaslough125 I cannot emphasize this enough, 100% uptime on Soulsteel Sync still has him doing worse than a lot of characters. He brings nothing special other than a chance to freeze enemies, and good luck counting on that to carry you. Jingliu gets similar crit/dmg amp and similar damage ratios. She is better for SP, has action advance, and cleaves.
Himiko has some really bad key traces, but getting 15% crit rate off of Benchmark is insane. To put things into perspective, 15% crit rate is about 4 substats worth. It's not anything like Jingliu getting a goddamn 50% Crit Rate just for existing, but it's still a really good trace.
Lets also not forget the FuA focused relic and planar sets as the best Himeko had for a long time was Atk +12% with Fire DMG 10%. And she can use Duke’s 4 piece just as well as Jing Yuan
As someone who got her day 1, this is a thumbnail I'd only ever dreamed of seeing Two of her lightcones and a year later, and happy tears have now flown freely. Thanks vars
I started playing exactly at the beginning of the year and I remember Bronya and Gepard being the only standard characters I wanted. Fast forward to last week when I finally hit 300 standard pulls and used the selector on Himeko immediately as I didnt have her yet. The turnaround she had in just that short time frame is insane and I couldn't imagine picking anyone else off that banner now
I’d also thank erudition path coming to SU. It was built around Argenti but she’s so general with a damage split of FUA, skill, ult, break and dot damage, that she benefits from all the ult spam too. Combine erudition and elation path and she destroys anything, and you can combine these for ult/ skill/ FUA spam for toughness breaking in break teams now too, which is helpful for DU favouring break for Firefly. She started as a calyx monster and grew into being a Pure Fiction/ SU/ DU monster who also occasionally goes from being a decent MoC/ AS pick to a brilliant one depending on the matchup. So universal and reliable now. Thank goodness I got her!
as soemone who still uses these characters who were "overshadowed" by the other characters. I think Im just plain weird and lazy. (says alot when I quit playin for a while when Firefly fake death) Himeko - still one of my favourite character to use with Argenti (Go Team RED!!) Gepard - still my tank Bailu - I also still use from time to time Bronya - still one of my buffers along with Tingyun. Welt also joins my team from time to time for just random trash farming (Astral Express Crew farming) edit: and March was formerly abandoned at lvl 20 until The Hunt was introduced now she's one of my useful characters.
You would use Firefly, Himeko, RM, HMC in PF now. I don't see how Herta fits on this team. Losing too many buffs. Better to use Herta with Jade if you pull her.
Striking that deal with both IPC and the family is what got her strong. Also the last time another version of her got stronger, she died 😅 * "Never let you go" intensifies
Himeko was always strong. 2nd highest base ATK in the game, ATK ratio rivaling destruction units despite being Erudtion, easy to proc follow up, perfect synergy with her lightcone... you name it. Relics like Grand Duke, and now Super Break only made her better. People just didn't realize and left her to dust her being a standard character. Have been using her since day one and cleared everything. Never regretted it. P.S: I have a feeling at some point a similar kind of video will be out about Welt too. He is extremely flexible, can be both a support or a carry and is a monster in both.
You make such great content...always. I wish you would improve your voice editing since you're one of the few creators I almost cannot understand when listening at higher speed rates. Something about the bass balance, I assume.
I have an E1S1 Himeko and she has carried me through difficult stages where I needed a fire dps and the break follow up mechanic works really well with Xueyi+Herta
"Himeko and Firefly don't really have any synergy together" the character that can ignore weakness and break often doesn't synergize with the character that wants breaks to happen to trigger their follow-up??? 😭
Vars. i love your vids. But a lot of the time I cant fully hear you. I dont know if you need a new microphone or maybe lower the background music. Keep up the goodwork and looking forward to you improving your audio.
She got stronger cause she would never let us go, it’s why she did them all, for a chance at least to live in our way, cause her love of us is her most cherished thing, so we gotta stay alive bravely. That’s why
9:15 Doesn't Firefly have synergy with Himeko? Firefly breaks 3 enemies = Himeko follow up. Just build BE on Himeko so she does super break with her follow up for extra damage
I remember Lisara(previously Dreamy) pointed out really really early on that Himeko had amazing break damage and noticed that while not a stated fact in game at the time, Fire as an element had much high break damage compared to other elements. Her guide allowed my Himeko to really carry my teams in battles where my Kafka couldn't. Himeko has always been decent, just it took a while for the right supports to make her shine.
i really really wanted himeko when i started the game, I have gotten 2 gepards, 2 welts and a bailu until I finally chose her on the guaranteed. i would still probably use her if she wasn't meta but I am always happy to see my ladies do well :D
It’s been interesting seeing these videos because I stopped played HSR right before the release of Penacony, so we were still in the new meta phase of the game. It seemed like every new 5 star outclassed the last, but now its interesting seeing meta defining units not be as relevant anymore
As one with a soft spot for gingers and a fascination with follow-up units, who keeps losing 50/50 to Himeko, this video makes me very happy. Loving all your videos I've seen lately, Vars. Keep it up.
I rerolled for Himeko then used her for most of version 1. I took a little break with 2.0 for variety. She's actually the only standard character that I've used since 1.5 when HH replaced Bailu.
will you be making a video on how crit is kinda everything for wuwa because theres almost no other way to deal dmg as of rn (srry if it seems like i post this on every vid) also real slick saying yunli will overshadow clara
As someone who's loved her since her trial version carried me through that first boss fight on the space station, I was QUITE happy to have lost that first 50/50 to her, but I'm glad she has greater utility now.
Himeko is one Standard 5* I've yet to get, alone with Yanqing & Bronya. Currently about 10-20 pulls away from Standard 5* selector too. As much as the community at large says Bronya is the best option to pick, I'm tempted to select Himeko as I already have Sparkle
As a Himeko main since I got my playstation HSR acc (I was a JingYuan/Welt main on my PC acc) Himeko has always been good, but mostly as a sub dps, she only really now is a good main dps. And thats coming from me... an S0 E4 Himeko main with every single one of her best supports and an E1 robin... Shes always worked as a main dps but she struggled more if she couldn't break anyone, but now that Fire is usually a weakness on enemies rn she can work as a main dps! Hoping for more and more buffs to her cause then ill be unstoppable with her!
nice video about our favorite mommy. i just wanted to correct one information though, which is claiming himeko and firefly don't have synergy. I should digress since they've been wonderful for pure fiction together in a ruan mei team. Firefly breaks enemies so himeko's attacks become very consistent, it's an easy 4-star where I used to struggle so much by combining herta/himeko before, and apocalyptic shadow was also an easy win (best team so far has been ruan mei/ luocha/himeko/firefly to 35k last level).
Is there any way you could amplify the volume of your videos? I'm hard of hearing and I can't hear your videos on max volume with headphones in sometimes. Love your content❤
She's always been strong. I've been using her since I got her in 1.1, I snagged Topaz in 1.4 to further increase her DPS. Pure Fiction came out and I ran her with Herta for a easy 40k clear. HMC comes out with super break and she keeps winning, absolutely adore her, she mommy, pretty, rich and is part of the main cast of the story. Can't get enough of her
Here is the thing about Himeko, she was always good just there were better options before due to how the game was focused before but with all of the new characters and Pure Fiction, heck even most of the bosses in MoC spawning in their own allies, just allowing her to be so much better, it just makes her much stronger. Now that Firefly has came out, she can also take advantage of the fact Firefly doesnt need a fire weakness and instead provide her own which also indirectly buffs Himeko.
Do remember this moc buff advances anyone who breaks or kills the trotter. Himeko having benefits with break mechanic, it’s self explanatory. And in 20 days the moc buff benefits FUA, so I think she’ll still be a top usage. Good video btw.
I'm only 30 standard pulls away from finally getting Himeko on the selector (I already have Bronya). Her design and ult animation were the reason I started playing the game, but I keep losing 50/50's to Bailu and Clara instead.
The only reason why I started HSR. I also spent a lot fo jades in the Standard banner to select her after 2 months. Pulled also JingYuan's LC for her. She carried me as main dps, doing overwork and bruteforcing contents when I had only she,Blade and Jingliu as dps. Now that im stronger, I complete ALL the contents with her; "she is good only in PF" is a bullshit. And im not using Superbreak. Himeko Hypercarry is good (if there is at least 1 Fire-weak Elite/Boss). I also pulled Firefly E1 just to being Himeko robopet. Try FF+Himeko in PF, FUA every new waves, so fun. Now I just want some her Eidolons😢
After doing around 375 Pulls on the Standart Banner (getting my fifth 5 Star on there) and still not having Himeko, I picked her from the Selector and I'M SO GLAD I DID! I already had E1 Bronya very early, I got Welt kinda late, but I had him. It was mostly between Gepard and Himeko tbh and after getting Aventurine it was clear I had to pick Himeko and I couldn't be happier with that lol. Who knows if I ever would've gotten her otherwise, I mean the red head alternative in Genshin, Diluc, still avoids me even after countless 50/50 losses lmao (not that I mind at this point lol)
Himeko actually already has, or rather had, a place in dot teams. There was a pure fiction cycle a while ago where one of the buffs you could pick was advancing your team's actions when enemies take dot, favouritising characters that can apply dot but not necessarily rely on them, just like himeko. Along with hook and asta, this team allowed me to get my only 12 stars ever
one way she could improve is if they rework her charge requirements from breaking enemy weakness to when enemy receives weakness break damage. fundamentally the same but she could also gain charges from super break
I remember back then during SW’s first banner, I lost my 50/50 to Himeko (she was the worst one to lose to 50/50 that time) I never thought my lost will be my blessing
Easy answer: she has never been weak. I play her since the first patch. And she constantly helped me closing a couple of stages in MoC. People just ignored her, or tried making her a hypercarry, where she's not
I guess himeko is similar to raiden shogun. Both are underestimated at first in term of dps capability, but surprisingly still be relevant on most of meta mechanisms as well as super break (himeko) and hyperbloom (raiden shogun)
I got lucky and got Gepard and Bronya as my first standard 5*s, but then I got 3 Himekos. Then PF came out and Himeko got gud. Ever since then, I've been getting Bailu and Yanqing lol. Not that I'm complaining, I still have 3 Himekos.
When i got her in the free 5 star, I've recently started using her. She carried me in parts where fire weakness is good and my other characters aren't as efficient
You forgot to mention how she didn’t really have a good relic set until Grand Duke (boosts follow up attacks) came out. Before that, she either had to use 2pc-2pc sets or the Lava Forging set which wasn’t as favorable to her play style.
I love how Harmony Trailblazer indirectly helps victory rush super effectively because after you use Harmony Trailblazer ult then victory rush happens, you get the super break!!!!
Welt will most likely only get a buff when a character comes that benefits from a slow debuff like dan heng who's ult's damage increases from the slow debuff. considering hsr makes tailor made sets to a character the relics made by ced character might also be an additional buff to him.
kinda regretting not having a 5* light cone on himeko now that she's getting so buffed - but as ive already lose 5050 in firefly banner, i guess the gods from mihoyo have decided one needs a double mommy carry team in himeko jade
13:08 I am still incredibly salty because I've only lost 50/50s to this woman (including Firefly, screw you, E5), but you're still right and given I'm a Herta main it really is perhaps the best thing that could have happened to me for 50/50 loses
How did himeko get so strong
FOOL! She was always strong! You just didn't notice
That's literally the message of this video in a nutshell LOL
I didn't get her early enough to use outside of her tutorial appearance, so I just assumed she needed better relics to be used more effectively. Boy was I glad I had started farming those relics when pf showed up.
Beside PF, she is always mediocre and still is. She certainly benifit a lot from recent meta, but after this version, her mediocrity will probably become more apparent again. I dont know what kind of drug does VarsII take would make him commont on himiko's strength based on current meta, which is extremely biased toward fire weakness. As he said, himiko's weakness is always too situational and rely too much on fire weakness enermy. No fire weakness=>hard to trigger her passive=>no dmg .The current version of the game is the best she can get and there wont be too much room for her to grow.
There is still probability that himeko can do well in the future, depending what character mihoyo wanted to promote over that whole 2.x(something like jingliu in 1.x), I dont think there is a single MoC 12 missing ice weakness after jingliu and before acheron come out. If that character is selected to be FF, then himiko may still have some chance to be good, but I dont think it would as rediculous as current meta anyway since there are they need to promote in each meta.
@@VarsII you must be some kind of a dumbass
@@HandleName_CB but she is gourgeous
Because she let us and Sunday witness the will of the weak.
So PEAK!
Real.
wait what does this mean?
@@yusha5807have you finished penacony story ? Because that’s the reference
That line was ass
Himeko never conceals her desire to control the meta... And Break is no exception.
4 Words: Pure Fiction, Super Break. These two things have allowed Himeko to age like fine wine.
Also robin
Don't you mean fine coffee?
@@shai310There's alcoholic coffee.
Nah, the whole moc rn is tailored for FF and BH(mostly FF) Enemies on floor 12 literally only require breaking the shield and they all get vulnerability. Also the introduction of Gallagher
Himeko and Ruanmei fully star fiction for me, love em
About 9:10 Firefly and Himeko ABSOLUTELY has synergy with each other. Firefly ignores weakness and applies fire weakness with her technique and skill which creates more opportunities for Himeko do to her follow up attacks.
True, not to mention that Firefly's technique applies fire weakness to all enemies which is also really effective for Himeko.
Great to know my mono fire team I've been building will be better than I expected lol.
This is awesome . I will try them together but does anyone know how good they are with each other?
Pretty damn good in pure fiction if running FF/hmc/rm/himeko.
@@Kspice9000does this makes the rotation goes stun on the enemy side? Because wouldn't it be risky to not have any sustain?
you really are an under rated HSR CC, none in the HSR cc does what you do, its always character builds, theory or 0 cycles. its really refreshing
I promise 140k subscribers is not underrated. Vars is doing just fine
Lol people call me a professional yapper 😂
@@VarsIIyou are ❤ but it’s a compliment for you
@@VarsIIthen shut up
As a person who loves yalling, with right poeple I enjoy this channel😂🤌@@VarsII
Because SUPPABREAK is absurdly insane, literally F2P Firefly lol
Isn't f2p firefly xuieyi?
true, i used her to get 36* in my ff team before getting ff
How about standard banner firefly then?
Asta - RNG FF
Guinaifen - F2P FF
Himeko - Poor man's FF
@@Accountthatexists No imo. Xueyi can be hybrid and has it's own thing for her.
Im surprised you didnt mention Gallaghers release as a huge buff to himeko, her main issue was that there was no consistant driver for the fire weakness break and then you release gallagher who not only heals your entire party, generates skill points and has a cleanse but also has both insane single target for boss and multitarget for the goons break capabilities. He works so well with her you can throw in any other 2 units with the duo and you clear every single current gamemode.
You can do so even better with Firefly who can be used universally anywhere without fire weak mobs. Gallagher is good but just note he will be tied to fire weak stages just like Himeko.
Yeah I kinda went into the Sunday Boss Fight with my Argenti team and got a bit cooked. I was already building Himeko and Herta to use in the AOE content of the game, now I am building her and Gallagher to use with the Superbreak mechanic......but Who should I use for the battle? Himeko and Trailblazer have a spot in the team, I have built and used Luocha(E1 btw won a 50/50 I wanted to lose) ever since I got him in Acheron's debut so I dunno if I should keep him or go with Gallagher.....and I need one last party member.....who should I use?
@@garreonlefay6703 Firefly (weakness implant) and Pela (def reduce + SP gain)
@@nonamepasserbya6658 If only I had the first one
@@garreonlefay6703 I for some reason thought you were trying to beat PF. For Sunday, wait for March 7th new form, she is great at breaking if you pair her with a high speed Luocha running Multiply
*A year later*
Vars ll: What happened to Himeko?
Surely it happens
Inb4 Vars makes another 100 dollar bet
If we get abundance of aoe character then she will likely go out from pure fiction meta
@@KobeEscalante😂😂
Next next year
Vars II: why no one play Himeko?
Next next next year
Var II : what happen to Himeko?
Holy shiet infinity money glitch
NEVER LET YOU GO!!!!!!!!!
No stop😭😭
@@fordzfinland6862 Nah, This Himeko is Never gonna let you go
Never gonna turn around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never did and finally she is meta.
It's why I did them all.
NIGHTGLOW!!!!!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
So happy Himeko is finally getting the credit she deserves. I built her since day 1 but am so happy she’s good. I used her with Kafka before Black Swan was a character and before Acheron and I robin she was the 3rd mommy I used in my triple mommy team.
9:17 what do you mean the character that applies fire weakness and focuses on break doesn't synergize with Himeko
Agreed. This is why Firefly is her best partner now.
9:18 Firefly and Himeko in a team is carrying me through PF this cycle wdym
Yup I can even 0 cycle MoC with them.
same here lol
0:54 Bronya is still a good choice even in break teams since she doubles the damage your break dps deals per turn due to her turn advance when you spd tune her after your dps even if her buffs are unnecessary
for real, i even gave her dance dance dance to dish out as much as possible turn and make her 180spd 😂
Himeko got the Jing Yuan treatment. getting buffed as the game progresses.
Is Jing Yuan good now? He’s still not great rated in tier lists.
@SyntheticaYT tier are ass. and by buffs I meant new units/relics that created extremely great synergies for them
Honkai Impact 3rd Himeko fan stocks keep rising, NEVER LET YOU GO, THAT'S WHY I DID IT ALL, FOR A CHANCE AT LEAST, TO LIVE IN YOUR WAY, LOVE OF YOU, IS MY MOST CHERISHED THING, SO STAY ALIVE, BRAVELY
YESSSSSS
Protect the beauty of this world 😢
Took me a minute to recover from the absolute nostalgia bomb that was hearing this song from Kingdom Hearts again. Some God-tier taste there, man
Prior to Firefly's release, I used her team with my poorly built Himeko to clear PF lol it was so good
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did plan that far ahead. Genshin Impact’s starter character Lisa scales with Elemental Mastery as an electro character. This was virtually useless before Sumeru
Literally her only “problem” was “hur dur bosses need single target damage” as if literally every single boss doesnt have minions, so thank god shes proved that nonsense wrong
It wasn't nonsense. The only reason pure fiction exists is because the devs didn't make enemies and scenarios that let erudition characters shine. Then they made pure fiction so now erudition has its uses
@@isshonsaha8673they created pure fiction because people were complaining, not because Erudition had no places. If anything, it’s hunt that we’re in the hardest spot, except Seele, but she doesn’t really function like other hunts, and is thus much better.
@@isshonsaha8673 holy cope
Same people who said Yanqing was best 5* DPS in game 😂 oh how the tables turn.
It was a problem for the longest time, because even when bosses had minions , once those were gone, you just had a much more beefy boss, which Himeko struggled against. PF and SB were almost tailor made for characters like her to bring them into the meta. Even now she's rated super low for MOC.
She was my second 5* (obtained from standard banner before ever pulling on the limited banner) and I never saw the issue with her. I knew early on that she was meant to be a late game unit thanks tonher A6 and saw that the pairing with Herta was insane from miles away. Glad to see people no longer shitting on her though.
So lucky to immediately E1 her. After pulling for Ruan Mei, just trying my luck on Firefly banner, Himeko came home in 3 pass (now I'm guaranteed for Jiaoqiu). What I really need is more erudition character for Pure Fiction. Then after a few days, tried pulling on standard banner and got her again😭.
After not even knowing who she was, then watching the pain and suffering she’s been through from Hi3 and on, she is everything I need her to be. Make sure her cup is always full.
Been runnin Himeko, HTB, RM and Gall in DU and the new AS mode and have been really happy with the results. Was happy with her when PF dropped as well, glad she's turned around from her 1.0 standing.
Himeko does synergies with firefly with weakness implant
It makes it easier to weakness break more enemies
I got e3 himeko in the first week of game at relase.
I invested fully in her.
Yesterday with the montly reset i got another copy of her.
Yep, im happy.
Very lucky. Instead I have just Himeko E0...from the selector...after spending a lot of jades on it...
I play HSR just to play her (I bruteforced a lot of contents with her since 1.3), I pulled JY's for her. Now I want only more Eidolons, but she ( and Clara) don't exist in my games.
So glad I got her and her LC randomly since the beginning, back then she almost got no use but now we have PF and superbreak
same, didn't reroll because I like her anyway, but now she is arguably the best standard 5 star
Got a friend to start playing Star Rail during 1.5 and they got Yanqing as their 5-star from yhe beginner banner. My only consolation to them was, "at least its not Himeko"
...
Nope, turns out they took away even that.
Yanqing just needs a specific support to boost him up. Which can easily happen depending on various ways they expand on gameplay. He very much feels like a "HSR Keqing" to me.
@@amandaslough125 Himeko is more like HSR Keqing. Keqing got buffed by dendro. Himeko got buffed by PF and super break.
Yanqing has no niche and is competing with RRAT team and Boothill, and loses massively. Aventurine fixed his passive uptime issue but his damage is just lacking.
@@amandaslough125 I cannot emphasize this enough, 100% uptime on Soulsteel Sync still has him doing worse than a lot of characters.
He brings nothing special other than a chance to freeze enemies, and good luck counting on that to carry you.
Jingliu gets similar crit/dmg amp and similar damage ratios. She is better for SP, has action advance, and cleaves.
@amandaslough125 There's no hope for Yanqing unfortunately. He's basically a worse version of Ratio.
Himiko has some really bad key traces, but getting 15% crit rate off of Benchmark is insane. To put things into perspective, 15% crit rate is about 4 substats worth. It's not anything like Jingliu getting a goddamn 50% Crit Rate just for existing, but it's still a really good trace.
Lets also not forget the FuA focused relic and planar sets as the best Himeko had for a long time was Atk +12% with Fire DMG 10%. And she can use Duke’s 4 piece just as well as Jing Yuan
As someone who got her day 1, this is a thumbnail I'd only ever dreamed of seeing
Two of her lightcones and a year later, and happy tears have now flown freely. Thanks vars
I started playing exactly at the beginning of the year and I remember Bronya and Gepard being the only standard characters I wanted. Fast forward to last week when I finally hit 300 standard pulls and used the selector on Himeko immediately as I didnt have her yet. The turnaround she had in just that short time frame is insane and I couldn't imagine picking anyone else off that banner now
at the end of the day, harmony MC+ruan+gallaghar+random DPS is somehow works well
I’d also thank erudition path coming to SU. It was built around Argenti but she’s so general with a damage split of FUA, skill, ult, break and dot damage, that she benefits from all the ult spam too.
Combine erudition and elation path and she destroys anything, and you can combine these for ult/ skill/ FUA spam for toughness breaking in break teams now too, which is helpful for DU favouring break for Firefly.
She started as a calyx monster and grew into being a Pure Fiction/ SU/ DU monster who also occasionally goes from being a decent MoC/ AS pick to a brilliant one depending on the matchup.
So universal and reliable now. Thank goodness I got her!
I love Welt and Himeko. They seem great with E6 Harmony TB, Firefly, and Gallagher.
Himeko IS my favorite character. I’ve had her since 1.0. Loved her always. She’s always been the best. She has so little people talking about her.
I gotta say, I did not even notice these changes to Himeko's place in the meta.
That said, this was a good informative video, good job Vars.
as soemone who still uses these characters who were "overshadowed" by the other characters.
I think Im just plain weird and lazy. (says alot when I quit playin for a while when Firefly fake death)
Himeko - still one of my favourite character to use with Argenti (Go Team RED!!)
Gepard - still my tank
Bailu - I also still use from time to time
Bronya - still one of my buffers along with Tingyun.
Welt also joins my team from time to time for just random trash farming (Astral Express Crew farming)
edit: and March was formerly abandoned at lvl 20 until The Hunt was introduced now she's one of my useful characters.
Never doubted her since v1.0
Firefly actually is good with Himeko. The ability to force fire weakness allows teams like Herta and Himeko to be even stronger
You would use Firefly, Himeko, RM, HMC in PF now. I don't see how Herta fits on this team. Losing too many buffs.
Better to use Herta with Jade if you pull her.
@@ZytenEspada My thought was Firefly, Himeko, Herta and Jade.
Striking that deal with both IPC and the family is what got her strong.
Also the last time another version of her got stronger, she died 😅
* "Never let you go" intensifies
Himeko was always strong. 2nd highest base ATK in the game, ATK ratio rivaling destruction units despite being Erudtion, easy to proc follow up, perfect synergy with her lightcone... you name it. Relics like Grand Duke, and now Super Break only made her better. People just didn't realize and left her to dust her being a standard character. Have been using her since day one and cleared everything. Never regretted it.
P.S: I have a feeling at some point a similar kind of video will be out about Welt too. He is extremely flexible, can be both a support or a carry and is a monster in both.
You make such great content...always.
I wish you would improve your voice editing since you're one of the few creators I almost cannot understand when listening at higher speed rates. Something about the bass balance, I assume.
I have an E1S1 Himeko and she has carried me through difficult stages where I needed a fire dps and the break follow up mechanic works really well with Xueyi+Herta
Oh I haven’t tried superbreak Himeko yet thanks for the idea ❤
I’m so glad the standard banner gave me an E3 Himiko without me trying
"Himeko and Firefly don't really have any synergy together" the character that can ignore weakness and break often doesn't synergize with the character that wants breaks to happen to trigger their follow-up??? 😭
And also is the exact same element 🤔
@@Kspice9000 Also implants fore weakness
Vars. i love your vids. But a lot of the time I cant fully hear you. I dont know if you need a new microphone or maybe lower the background music. Keep up the goodwork and looking forward to you improving your audio.
She got stronger cause she would never let us go, it’s why she did them all, for a chance at least to live in our way, cause her love of us is her most cherished thing, so we gotta stay alive bravely.
That’s why
9:15 Doesn't Firefly have synergy with Himeko? Firefly breaks 3 enemies = Himeko follow up. Just build BE on Himeko so she does super break with her follow up for extra damage
I remember Lisara(previously Dreamy) pointed out really really early on that Himeko had amazing break damage and noticed that while not a stated fact in game at the time, Fire as an element had much high break damage compared to other elements. Her guide allowed my Himeko to really carry my teams in battles where my Kafka couldn't. Himeko has always been decent, just it took a while for the right supports to make her shine.
They told me I was crazy for picking himeko for my 5 star pick and building her at launch and look at her now
Actually bronya is still good with firefly if you don't have ruan mei or Robin because bronyas action advance and attack boost are still good
13:05 I see another man of culture here!! ........ Yeah, I am looking for Himeko in DoT team with Kafka too 😆
i really really wanted himeko when i started the game, I have gotten 2 gepards, 2 welts and a bailu until I finally chose her on the guaranteed. i would still probably use her if she wasn't meta but I am always happy to see my ladies do well :D
It’s been interesting seeing these videos because I stopped played HSR right before the release of Penacony, so we were still in the new meta phase of the game. It seemed like every new 5 star outclassed the last, but now its interesting seeing meta defining units not be as relevant anymore
Just lost my 50/50 to her. This is very comforting thank you
As one with a soft spot for gingers and a fascination with follow-up units, who keeps losing 50/50 to Himeko, this video makes me very happy. Loving all your videos I've seen lately, Vars. Keep it up.
9:13 So we're just gonna pretend that Boothill doesn't exist now? Okay
Boothill is great, but he got omegaskipped for Firefly, so saying that she invented the Break meta is more correct in most people’s eyes
@@f.b.iagent3971 ^
@@f.b.iagent3971 Boothil got that yoimiya treatment
Imagine being in the banner right before Firefly kekw
@@mooseking_x3That would be Argenti, his banner is before a turbo broken character (RM) or after one (FF and Boothill)
I rerolled for Himeko then used her for most of version 1. I took a little break with 2.0 for variety. She's actually the only standard character that I've used since 1.5 when HH replaced Bailu.
My Himeko has always been in my support list since day1, everyone may have her at this point but still gotta remind everyone she there
will you be making a video on how crit is kinda everything for wuwa because theres almost no other way to deal dmg as of rn (srry if it seems like i post this on every vid)
also real slick saying yunli will overshadow clara
As long as she can use yunli’s light cone, then I have no complaints
Himiko firefly is insane I got 31k points by replacing Gallagher because who needs healing when firefly breaks and himiko wipes 2 waves back to back
This person gets it.
As someone who's loved her since her trial version carried me through that first boss fight on the space station, I was QUITE happy to have lost that first 50/50 to her, but I'm glad she has greater utility now.
Depending on how the next few patches go, the astral express can be fully meta, we just need march new form to be good and idk abt welt.
Wym welt the only character who is not power crept by a limited 5 star hw will go up when his kit becomes useful to someone
Himeko is one Standard 5* I've yet to get, alone with Yanqing & Bronya. Currently about 10-20 pulls away from Standard 5* selector too. As much as the community at large says Bronya is the best option to pick, I'm tempted to select Himeko as I already have Sparkle
As a Himeko main since I got my playstation HSR acc (I was a JingYuan/Welt main on my PC acc)
Himeko has always been good, but mostly as a sub dps, she only really now is a good main dps. And thats coming from me... an S0 E4 Himeko main with every single one of her best supports and an E1 robin... Shes always worked as a main dps but she struggled more if she couldn't break anyone, but now that Fire is usually a weakness on enemies rn she can work as a main dps!
Hoping for more and more buffs to her cause then ill be unstoppable with her!
nice video about our favorite mommy. i just wanted to correct one information though, which is claiming himeko and firefly don't have synergy. I should digress since they've been wonderful for pure fiction together in a ruan mei team. Firefly breaks enemies so himeko's attacks become very consistent, it's an easy 4-star where I used to struggle so much by combining herta/himeko before, and apocalyptic shadow was also an easy win (best team so far has been ruan mei/ luocha/himeko/firefly to 35k last level).
Is there any way you could amplify the volume of your videos? I'm hard of hearing and I can't hear your videos on max volume with headphones in sometimes. Love your content❤
i showed my friend on his own account how good Himeko was, he was shocked and regretted not building her earlier lol
You did a great job bro!! These unbelievers...
She's always been strong. I've been using her since I got her in 1.1, I snagged Topaz in 1.4 to further increase her DPS. Pure Fiction came out and I ran her with Herta for a easy 40k clear. HMC comes out with super break and she keeps winning, absolutely adore her, she mommy, pretty, rich and is part of the main cast of the story. Can't get enough of her
Here is the thing about Himeko, she was always good just there were better options before due to how the game was focused before but with all of the new characters and Pure Fiction, heck even most of the bosses in MoC spawning in their own allies, just allowing her to be so much better, it just makes her much stronger. Now that Firefly has came out, she can also take advantage of the fact Firefly doesnt need a fire weakness and instead provide her own which also indirectly buffs Himeko.
Do remember this moc buff advances anyone who breaks or kills the trotter. Himeko having benefits with break mechanic, it’s self explanatory. And in 20 days the moc buff benefits FUA, so I think she’ll still be a top usage. Good video btw.
I'm only 30 standard pulls away from finally getting Himeko on the selector (I already have Bronya). Her design and ult animation were the reason I started playing the game, but I keep losing 50/50's to Bailu and Clara instead.
The only reason why I started HSR. I also spent a lot fo jades in the Standard banner to select her after 2 months.
Pulled also JingYuan's LC for her. She carried me as main dps, doing overwork and bruteforcing contents when I had only she,Blade and Jingliu as dps.
Now that im stronger, I complete ALL the contents with her; "she is good only in PF" is a bullshit.
And im not using Superbreak. Himeko Hypercarry is good (if there is at least 1 Fire-weak Elite/Boss).
I also pulled Firefly E1 just to being Himeko robopet. Try FF+Himeko in PF, FUA every new waves, so fun.
Now I just want some her Eidolons😢
After doing around 375 Pulls on the Standart Banner (getting my fifth 5 Star on there) and still not having Himeko, I picked her from the Selector and I'M SO GLAD I DID! I already had E1 Bronya very early, I got Welt kinda late, but I had him. It was mostly between Gepard and Himeko tbh and after getting Aventurine it was clear I had to pick Himeko and I couldn't be happier with that lol. Who knows if I ever would've gotten her otherwise, I mean the red head alternative in Genshin, Diluc, still avoids me even after countless 50/50 losses lmao (not that I mind at this point lol)
Himeko actually already has, or rather had, a place in dot teams. There was a pure fiction cycle a while ago where one of the buffs you could pick was advancing your team's actions when enemies take dot, favouritising characters that can apply dot but not necessarily rely on them, just like himeko. Along with hook and asta, this team allowed me to get my only 12 stars ever
one way she could improve is if they rework her charge requirements from breaking enemy weakness to when enemy receives weakness break damage. fundamentally the same but she could also gain charges from super break
Considering the current Break meta, would you guys put an Attack or Break Effect rope on Himeko? (I just got my first Himeko lol)
9:19 firefly can apply fire weakness so himeko can break too
0:54 its straight up not true about Bronya at all. Some teams generate so much sp that her 100% advance forward is a big upgrade over sparkle.
Haven’t played since last year and now she’s meta?? LET’S GOOOOO
I remember back then during SW’s first banner, I lost my 50/50 to Himeko (she was the worst one to lose to 50/50 that time)
I never thought my lost will be my blessing
She was my first five star tbh,since then she's almost always been on my fire break teams
Easy answer: she has never been weak. I play her since the first patch. And she constantly helped me closing a couple of stages in MoC. People just ignored her, or tried making her a hypercarry, where she's not
I guess himeko is similar to raiden shogun. Both are underestimated at first in term of dps capability, but surprisingly still be relevant on most of meta mechanisms as well as super break (himeko) and hyperbloom (raiden shogun)
Himeko is my first 5 star dps (didn't lost or anything) and i never thought she was weak or worst.
I got lucky and got Gepard and Bronya as my first standard 5*s, but then I got 3 Himekos. Then PF came out and Himeko got gud. Ever since then, I've been getting Bailu and Yanqing lol. Not that I'm complaining, I still have 3 Himekos.
When i got her in the free 5 star, I've recently started using her. She carried me in parts where fire weakness is good and my other characters aren't as efficient
I was genuinely happy when I lost my 50 50 to her way back, and it was like a week or two before the release of Pure Fiction.
The timing was PERFECT.
"What happened to jing yuan" when his 3rd rerun with his own story/ dedicated new relic set
He got a relic set
He got planet ornament
Characters that could support him
And content for erudition
You forgot to mention how she didn’t really have a good relic set until Grand Duke (boosts follow up attacks) came out. Before that, she either had to use 2pc-2pc sets or the Lava Forging set which wasn’t as favorable to her play style.
I love how Harmony Trailblazer indirectly helps victory rush super effectively because after you use Harmony Trailblazer ult then victory rush happens, you get the super break!!!!
That's more directly impact dmg. But my yeah, it's dope.
I fecking love how you summarized Firefly 😆
Correction. There is literally no reason to use yangqing over *any unit ever.
Welt will most likely only get a buff when a character comes that benefits from a slow debuff like dan heng who's ult's damage increases from the slow debuff. considering hsr makes tailor made sets to a character the relics made by ced character might also be an additional buff to him.
Yeah he is one of the only one who has not got power crept just not useful in any team yet
Been using her since day 1. She works very well with my ef it we break mentality
I've always loved Himeko even when I didn't know how her kit works
kinda regretting not having a 5* light cone on himeko now that she's getting so buffed - but as ive already lose 5050 in firefly banner, i guess the gods from mihoyo have decided one needs a double mommy carry team in himeko jade
? There's a new herta shop lc that's euridition.
13:08 I am still incredibly salty because I've only lost 50/50s to this woman (including Firefly, screw you, E5), but you're still right and given I'm a Herta main it really is perhaps the best thing that could have happened to me for 50/50 loses