Sure, Tony could hide, but how long could Aj, Carmella and Meadow hide, we know Marlo crew is going for them. And another thing, the fact that Marlos territory is pretty much ALL black, there's not going to be many successful attacks on Marlo territory because Italian white guys are going to get spotted a mile away. At the end of the day, none of marlos crew is scared of jail or death, half of Tony's crew flipped by the end of the show. So once word of war gets out, Tony would also be fighting to stay out of law enforcement reach and that's going to drain resources. Remember, the mob is priority or drugs
Truth. Blundetto vs the Bunk. Make that video next. Blundetto is terrible at pulling off crimes but good at keeping his mouth shut. Bunk talks a lot but is really good at solving crimes.
All Marlo would have to do is go up to what ever cc Tony is golfing at and say "I'm gonna need you guys to pack it up. I'm being a gentleman about it right now." while swinging his golf club.
Tony can call in zips from Sicily to do the dirty work and has alliances with a lot of other crime syndicates.. Hell, all Tony would have to do is get some ex-Barksdale soldiers like Bodie together who were still loyal to the old guard and throw some money for them to go independent in exchange for them keeping the heat on Marlo. He could fight a proxy war with Marlo's crew without ever once getting personally involved, like when he cleaned out the crackhouses in Season 4.
Tony has connections to the police and political leaders, where Marlo has neither. That can definitely serve to give Tony the edge. Not to mention that Tony has connections and the support of the NY families and the Italian mob. I've gotta go with Tony on this one.
@@ubt3606 lmao how would a black guy take out the mob in public they would get shot then swept under the rug and if Italians are send to the concrete jungle they will get killed them the cops would clean the place up 😂😂😂
@@justinkim7756 watch the wire and then talk. This aint the 40s, 50s or 60s anymore where Mafia had influence in major institutions. Mafia folks are barely relevant because they're a shadow of their former self. Also no one is untouchable, I thought the ending of the sopranos made that clear when the screen went all black on tony
@@ubt3606 Yeah but like Bully mentioned if Marlo took out a Boss the entire mafia would collapse on him. Marlo is smart enough to know that its idiotic to kill a mafia boss with no bigger support system to back up that kind of play. So at the end of the day Marlo winning is bigger than just taking out Tony. You gotta find a way to take him out and make everyone ok with it. Which for a black gang member isn't gonna play with the mob.
Soprano's organization is basically political; Stanfield's is basically economic. Both involve force and money; Tony's emphasizes force, supported by money; Marlo's emphasizes money, supported by force. Tony is more secure economically due to variety of income; Marlo is more secure politically due to alignment of interests with underlings. Marlo would win in the short run if he gets that lucky shot; Tony would win in the long run. So Marlo needs a blitzkreig and Tony needs a quagmire. It occurs to me that Putin also sells a single product, and he too needed a blitzkrieg, but NATO has him in a quagmire. So maybe Putin's like Stanfield, and NATO's like the Mob.
No your wrong as stated in the show tony actually Isnt rolling in money . Carmella even once stated it that he spends it as fast as he makes it that’s why many times in the series you see tony hesitant or dismissive when he has to use money not for himself or something he doesn’t feel is worth it. That’s the writers trying to show that a lot of the times the mob highlife is a front and some bigwigs are actually living Chex to check in a sense. Marlo was a millionaire when he got locked up . You rarely saw him in expensive massive jewelry he only had 2 cars the whole show . Never saw him splurge like the barksdales . And that was the writers showing you how militant he is and that he more about control and stacking than making money to be fly . Mario would win many times over . Firstly let’s say they decide to go to war at the same moment. Knowing the mob most likely it won’t be the very next day but it can come at any day . But if your from Marlos hood and Mario never leaves the hood which is 90% black a white man in the hood full of blacks coming your way is noticeable. On the other hand a black guy in jersey at places where there are other races all around is less noticeable. And going by sopranos during war they still move around and handle they day to day. Literally probably next day tony would be getting in his car with security as soon as he pulls out the driveway another car full of Mario’s ppl gon pull up and spray that car up . Hood dudes don’t deal in politics . It’s clear and simple I want everything to be under me . That’s it straight power and domination . The mob is more political in having others on the same level as you or higher coming together to make money for the betterment of the organization as a whole (dems/rep) .
Putin definitely doesn’t have a single product lol. That’s just a lazy analysis US politicians give because they’re mad that the EU needs his gas. But Russia provides other things than that easily. Just look at the food crisis right now
This video makes a good point on how Tony is better equipped to survive a war of attrition but one thing it fails to consider is the police aspect of it. As good as it is, the way murders are conducted and they get away with them is embarrassing to say the least. If the detectives from the Wire were in Jersey they would’ve put an end to Tony by the end of season 1 when he shot a dude on a boat in broad daylight. Not to mention the Stanfield advantage with fast and reliable communications that can avoid police investigation for long periods of time, something the Soprano crew lacks because they usually have to meet face to face to conduct operations. Also, the point about Marlo losing the connect is negligible because in order for him to lose the connect, another crew would have to take him out and establish a deal with the Greeks first. And due to Marlo having people watching the greeks and General street happenings through lookouts, that’s not happening. Even considering a war of attrition, Marlo can afford to hide for longer periods of time due to his negligible social presence. When Tony has to hide, nearly everyone has to hide with him, because generally his soldiers are directly under him. With all the corner boys and lookouts at his disposal, Marlo never has to touch the streets, and he doesn’t run into the risk of losing any of the resources because at most, they get locked up for a night or two on a humble charge. Marlo has a near indefinite supply of soldiers even outside his direct crew. All in all, I think this video really neglects to factor in the community aspect of Marlo’s operation and how impenetrable it is.
While I agree all that is true about Marlo, I disagree he could win against a mafia family just due to how long said families have been around, & their connections to ability of manipulating inner mechanisms of power throughout the US government, such as crooked politicians and judges
Let’s not forget Tonys top Lieutenants. Chris was a junkie. Paulie and Vito were planning on taking over the family. Carlo didn’t respect Tony. Marlo’s crew was solid.
They weren’t solid as a whole just the relationship between Marlo Chris and Snoop. Otherwise everyone was just in fear of Marlo and you know those kids weren’t getting paid as well as they could. Tony would just have to pay off people in Marlos Crew. Plus with all the deep connections the Sopranos have Marlos crew has no chance. Outside of a lucky shot Marlo might get.
Seeing the Vito and Omar had a long term on and off relationship they would definitely work together to try and take down Marlo. Omar did give Vito intel on Jackie Jr
Marlo was a damn menace in the streets but I think taking on Tony would be too much for him. Tony has a lot of distractions but he's on point when it's wartime.
Your assessment largely matches my own, Marlo is more ruthless and focused and his core group is more disciplined and loyal than Tony's, but the organizational structure of the mafia is too much for a street gang to handle, even one as competent and tough as Stanfield's. However, on a personal level I think Marlo possibly could ruin Tony's life at least, because he's the kind of guy who'd kill wives, kids, whoever.
@@tapset Tony's crew could pose as cops and go right in there and arrest Marlo at one of his spots. Marlo's crew would just see white dudes and assume they are cops.
@@tapset Dude Tony and his crew had connections. They could’ve hired a cop in Baltimore to arrest Marlo for something stupid and hold him somewhere until Tony’s soldiers got there. Marlo didn’t have those kind of connections.
@@pietrosavastano4641 I think a bunch of Italian dudes with new Jersey accents will set off alarms. But Marlo would've lost to Avon if he didn't get arrested
@@X-hoshaq-X risky?! Marlo had half of the homicides in Baltimore as unsolved mysteries that was huge feat, I like the Sopranos and all but the story of Marlo was that of an evil genius the Tony story was that of a weak man
I think the Mafia with their connections could win through attrition. The only disadvantage that TS has is Marlo’s luck. Marlo rose through good timing, having cold blooded murders like Chis and Snoop work for him and definitely some street smarts. Violence and cold blooded attacks against Jersey like New York did in Season 6 would be Marlo’s best strategy.
Based on watching Marlo think before he reacts Tony reacts before he think Marlo’s origination are all about strategy Tony’s crew aren’t about strategy
I don't know. Chris, Sil, Paulie, Patsie, Furio, Pussy, Bennie, Warden, the young kid driver body builder, plus the other two Capos, the one on house arrest and the snitch. They all had mad people under them. We just see the made guys.
@@claudewashington5247 yeah but they were dumb lol Chris and snoop was killing dozens of ppl on the street no mask or nun driving brand new suvs😂🤦🏾♂️tony only had 2 real shooters silvio and pauly Chris was on drugs,Jr was a saint one day and a snake the next😂,pussy went soft,Johnny sack got sick and that didn’t even matter he had a Rico 😂 I think Marlo would win
@@claudewashington5247 u don’t get the comparison lol Tony’s crew was full of snakes,his own uncle and mom tried to get him whacked,pussy snitched,Pauly and Vito was tryna take over the family,Chris was on drugs and didn’t know if he wanted to make films or be a DON Johnny sack never liked that family lol and ordered Phil to kill Chris in front of Tony!!!! 😂 the mob is all out for self vs Marlo’s crew the only stain was silvio and tbh he got ran up on by Omar so I kinda gave him the benefit of the doubt Chris and snoop was DOG level loyal,he had prop joe brains behind him,a street team,and ppl forget when Marlo’s character was introduced he was already the man so that means he has vouchers and also Marlo was stonecold tony would almost die if his therapist didn’t answer 😂
The reasons Tony wins, the fact that Tony is Boss of Jersey, his crew is a whole mafia family that includes so many associates that aren't shown on screen... Everyone of Tony's Capo's have whole crews behind of them. Tony has a longer reach, in boxing terms... You can't hit him without taking hits yourself. If Tony can win a war against a NY family, he can whoop Marlo ass.
@@honkeykong4049 Also, if he is Season 3 Tony, he would be able to use his relationship with Johnny Sack and get reinforced by The Lupertazzi Family... IF it went that deep (I don't think Marlo lasts 2 weeks warring with the North Jersey COSA NOSTRA) Tony, with Johnny as his emissary could take the beef all the way to the commission... Marlo died while I was typing this. 🤣
@@Cbjames715 Yet at the final season , the Lupertazzi family thought the Sopranos were a glorified street crew , not a real family. Most of those guys started snitching and weakened the Soprano s..
Marlo ram an entire projects. I don’t think y’all understand how many people live in just those couple of buildings. That’s not even including the blocks he controls as well. Associates aren’t going to go to war for Tony only the family.
Forgot to mention Tony has access to cops and politicians on the take, if he can’t find Marlo they might. They could also be used to squeeze his income stream.
People in the comments are vastly overrating the usefulness of Tony’s connections. Remember, the mafia operates strictly for business. If they don’t think aiding Tony in a war against a Baltimore street crew is financially viable they won’t do it (and they won’t because they would probably underestimate Marlo’s crew as “random street n words”). Phil Leotardo didn’t even need approval from the Five Families to decide to go to war with Tony. Tony does not have the pull y’all think he does. Also Marlo did not dismantle the co-op, he basically absorbed it. Since he owned the connect, the co-op rules still applied (share and share alike). Now his amount of soldiers increased from the endless supply of soldiers from west Baltimore to the endless supply of soldiers from the entirety of Baltimore, plus contract killers from New York like muzone who take on a contract simply for how much it pays, with no regard to the financial viability of the task
Phil probably got killed for starting the war in New Jersey. You don't put out an unsanctioned hit on a boss, end of story, Phil just didn't give a shit at that point. Butchie knew they could never move on with Phil alive even if they won the war, that's why I think Butch planned to have him killed from the very beginning. Look at John Gotti, Frankie DeCicco and the other hitters on Paul Castellano. They were either killed, or subject of assassination attempts from the other families because they killed a boss without a commission ok. It's a death sentence to kill a mafia boss, especially for an outsider with very little pull within the organisation like Marlo.
Tony has connections outside the mafia, genius. He's connected to Russian crime syndicates, street gangs, crooked cops, politicians, you name it. Plus he can call in zips from Italy to bomb the hell out of Marlo's dope corners until his profits drop to zero. And even though Marlo "owned" the co-op most of them resented and distrusted him. You think a guy like Slim Charles would have backed Marlo in a war with the mob? Or Cheese with his two-faced double dealing ways? He never commanded real respect or loyalty like Avon did, he was a jumped up dictator who ruled through fear and that only gets you so far.
tony and the NYC Mafia would destroy Marlo and his crew. the American mafia is too powerful and the their money is much to long for marlo to even have a chance.
Tony could just use members of his crew to pose as police officers. They could "arrest" Marlo without incident and then drive him to a safe house, kill him, and chop up his remains
The problem marlo would have had was that the sopranos are connected all over the place,Tony would have known before marlo even made a move and marlo would be dead,either by law enforcement giving up his location or his own people for money,very hard to take on a man that's so well connected.its like stringer wanting to take on clay davis
Marlo has a good amount of reach because of "the Greeks" but Tony has sooo much reach because of the history of the families and theut deep ties across a lot of other crews and institutions.
Marlo only beat Avon because of Avons incarceration & the unskilled leadership of stringer bell. If Avon was never incarcerated & put a little bit of his pride to the side he would of destroyed Marlo
Marlo has no path to victory in a war with the DiMeo Family. Even in Marlo's best case scenario of Super Chris Partlow totally wiping out the DiMeos, New York is going to rain a shitstorm down on him like he has never fucking seen.
Chris and Snoop killed corner boys and civilians. Most of their victims didn't even resist. They couldn't even kill Omar's dusty ass when he was limping around Baltimore and had to wait for that skid mark Kenard to do it. You really think they'd have a chance against an entire crew when they can barely handle one guy?
It would also depend who was Boss. If Carmine was Boss, Tony is fine. If it was John while their at war or Phil, Tony would have a 2 wars or New York coulda helped Marlo in finishing him. Also Tony has rats in his crew who have legitimate hatred towards him, they can easily flip and help Marlo as theorized they helped New York take him down.
You forgot the other side of it. The mob could have just as easily had Avon/sring, Omar and others on their side. I say tony would win all day. A Baltimore street crew has way less man power and connects than the Italian mob.
@@frankmurphy7234 brother muzone might can hold the italians off for a little while be the Italian mafia is too powerful, connected and wealthy for marlo and his crew to stand a chance. In other words, with or without Brother muzone, the italians would destroy marlo.
Marlo and his crew are legit psychopaths, they don't give a PHUKH about the law, feelings, death, murder. Tony was having anxiety attacks over animals and RICOs. Marlo would never answer to tony if it meant not being the king. Marlos response to Vincent when he warned him about death and prison was "who cares". These aren't the same black gangsters from 40s 50s who were normal people engaging in legal trade with families and communities they cared about. Marlo kind barely cared about themselves outside of their reputation
Marlo and his Enforcers would destroy the Soprano crew, who of course would be tripping over each other as they turn on one another. Only Furio would put up a fight.
If Marlo was looking to take over NJ i think he succeeds fairly easily as he'd have an intel advantage from jump due to the Soprano family being on public record, once he sends his guys out there the added pressure of a war could also crush them on the inside as they question Tonys ability to stay focused and also put everyones best interests above his own(which is never happening). I see them getting picked off quickly with assassinations while they struggle to fight back due to not being able to see or kno their enemy, Marlos name might never reach their ears and even if it does it might be too late, the type of maneuvering he did to dodge BPD for years is too advanced for the Sopranos.
The fact that at least one very large NY family would be likely to back up the Soprano family means that Tony almost certainly wins. Not to mention the fact that he has most of the local cops in his pocket and can even call in Camorra shooters from Italy. Plus Tony has political connections that Marlo really can’t match. Cutting revenue streams out of the equation, Tony has a couple dozen soldiers directly under him (plus a small crew for each one of those), 100+ soldiers from NY, potentially dozens of cops, Italian soldiers, and political allies. Marlo really just has street soldiers. Tony is definitely more likely to get distracted and slower to move once shit goes down, but he’s also probably smarter than Marlo overall, and is more experienced in general.
Chris had 30+ bodies under 30. Took a L on the chin. Tony has no soldiers that loyal. And Marlo isn’t opposed to killing family members. It’ll be easier to find Tony than Marlo
Most of Chris's bodies were civilians or punk ass corner boys who literally walked to their own deaths. Whenever Chris stepped to a real player like Avon or Omar he took an L. He was good at beating chomos to death and torturing old blind men but fighting actual seasoned mafia soldiers is another story.
To be fair, we only really see the made men. They probably have dozens of associates who'd be down to cap people just for brownie points and a few grand in cash or heroin.
@@grahamleeper8015 Also, just counting made men, Tony has around 50, a lot more than Marlo's... two hitters? Maybe three if we count Bodie. Tony has a lot of people who can carry out hits: Paulie, Gigi, Silvio, Chrissy, Patsy, Furio, Benny, Walden, Dante, Vito, Ralphie, Eugene, Carlo, Cary, Tony Black and the cousins from Naples. If New York gets involved it's goodnight for Marlo.
What’s that have to do with knowing war.? All Marlo knew was how to kill. And he was good at it. I’m not saying Tony wasn’t but Marlo had so many disposable options to throw at Tony. Every single guy Tony threw at Marlo albeit except for the Sicilians was valuable man power in his organization. I think Marlo could pay 100 junkies to go try and kill Tony and Tony couldn’t even drive thru the hood without getting marked by the hoppers. Marlo has a very solid shot at winning
@Tom Berver you’re missing the point…Marlo also had money and we’ll structured kill squad. Their isn’t a single guy on that Jersey crew besides maybe furio that would’ve stood a chance against Chris partlow. In a short war Marlo might win to just flat out dismiss this is ignorant because you’d like to believe the mafia is somehow untouchable.
@@JayyJay92 Chris Partlow: Failed to kill Avon in a drive by in Season 3, failed to kill Omar in Season 5 when he had him pinned down with a whole squad behind him. Mostly killed corner boys, civilians and old blind men. Needs teenagers like Michael and O-Dog to back him up for his hits because he's not man enough to do it himself. Chris Moltisanti: Shot a guy in the head left-handed after being gutshot at point blank range. Killed a guy with a shotgun with a headshot during poker game robbery. Shot a biker from a moving car. Personally coordinated and orchestrated many hits for The Soprano family. I know which Chris I'd put my money on and it sure as hell ain't Partlow.
I thought it was the opposite for one the police are basically nerfed in the sopranos where as in the wire they are close to real life as possible in real life tony would have been arrested long ago
@@BigZ-19 the sopranos makes everyone look like average idiots. The wire makes everyone more intelligent and badass than the next guy. It's like a cartoon
I agree. A lot of people harp on about how realistic The Wire is but a lot of is overly sensationalized and far fetched. Omar and Brother Mouzone are cartoon characters, Marlo, Snoop and Chris are one dimensional villains with no depth whatsoever, the Hamsterdam plot in Season 3 is absolutely ridiculous and McNulty's whole fake serial killer thing in Season 5 is just absolute crap, some of worst writing in the history of TV. The Sopranos has a much greater level of psychological realism and depth. The characters feel like real people and you can relate to them. Most of the characters in The Wire are hollow straw men who only exist to push the message across and besides a few exceptions like Bubbles, Michael and Dukie I found it impossible to care about any of them.
@@silversnail1413 exactly when brother mouzone appeared is when I started to feel like they were just trying to top themselves but then you look back and it was always there . The Greek etc I still love the wire but it's a flawed masterpiece Sopranos is pure art
Marlo had Chris and snoop. Two very smart and versatile killers who followed orderes to a t. Tony had Christopher moltisanti and paulie walnuts. One was a heroin addict and the other was saw the virgin mary in a strip club
Paulie was regularly overpowering dudes half his age and Chris survived multiple gunfights, even capping a dude in the head after being gutshot at point blank range. Meanwhile Chris and Snoop killed dumbass corner boys and tortured old blind men to death. They failed to kill Avon, failed to kill Omar, and probably wouldn't even have been able to drop Bodie if that punk O-Dog wasn't there to do it for them.
Furio almost pushed Tony into a jet fan... Chris Beat Mike's father to death by hand... The Stanfield's were a tightly run, (larger in direct numbers, but definitely not as structured and insulated as North Jersey/NY) The Soprano North Jersey family, had decades of procedure and access that could easily eliminate a Baltimore crew, but... It's just too many variables... Marlo moves the crew to Jersey It's over for them before it starts. Tony moves the family to Baltimore, somebody will find them in vacant.
I think you're right that Marlo would have long term issues since the war would evolve into war with the actual Mafia. However, regarding him vs Tony specifically, Marlo walks through Tony. He, basically, has a commando on his side with Chris. Tony's biggest enforcer is Furio who, while capable, doesn't show the level of skill Chris does.
Chris Paulie Silvio Warden and Bennie all have skill. So does gay ass Vito. But at the same time fuck those Jersey niggas. In Baltimore we aim and hit a nigga you heard lol
Chris never showed that much skill. He failed to kill Avon in Season 3, failed to kill Omar in Season 5, and mostly just killed random corner boys or civilians who rarely put up a fight. And Snoop was so incompetent that she literally got domed by a teenager. Not sure why everyone hypes those two up like they're the deadliest badasses in the history of television, when you look at their track record they were actually pretty bad at their jobs.
Although I think you are right about the outcome I wish you would have bought up Marlo having access to the Greeks. We seen in season 2 they came and helped the dock worker when Cheese was acting out. I think they would help if it benefited them.
Cool analysis but the question you asked yourself wasn't 'Bmore Westside vs Jersey(+NYC) Mafia, who would win?' Marlo's crew vs Tony's crew, even if they go to mattresses, Chris and Snoop would get to Tony. Like how they tired to get to Omar except be successful, only person I see standing tall for Tony is... who? Silvio, maayyybe. Chris would flip on Tony like how they got to Prop Joe. Tony would be a dead man walking. Omar went at Marlo and couldn't do shit. Your timing of peak power, it's not just Chris and Snoop, Michael would probably be the one to headshot Tony himself. Once the Mafia show up in Bmore, they hate New Yorkers, they'd stick out like sore thumbs and end up capped any time they got anywhere near anything. Tony would win through economic forces, sure, but there's no hiding for Tony. Marlo would win through pure violence. Only way that Tony wins is hiring Brother Mouzone somehow. Remember Marlo fucked the Barksdale honeypot, then used that to counterattack Avon. We never saw a power move anywhere near that from the Sopranos in 6 seasons...
That's a massive amount of overconfidence. Chris and Snoop would be in Jersey for all of 5 minutes before they got picked up or shot by any number of people. That's even assuming they go to Jersey in the first place. If the situation is a DiMeo take over of Marlo's territory in Baltimore, then they're going to be way too busy trying to hold on to what they have to even try that shot. The Stanfield Crew has a lot fewer people in it than the DiMeo Family. Hell, the Barese Crew itself may outnumber the Stanfields, and that's just one of 5 or 6 crews in Tony's family. This isn't even mentioning the fact that Tony can call on buttonmen from Italy and New York, both of which he has done before.
"We never saw a power move like that from Tony" He got the Lupertazzis to flip on Phil, ending the war with New York in a favourable position despite suffering the losses of both Bobby and Sylvio. That is a way bigger power move than plowing some broad and realizing that she just wasn't that into you.
"No hiding for Tony" He successfully hid from the Lupertazzis, who have infinitely more resources and contacts to track folks down than Marlo ever did.
Comparing one guy (Omar, who by the way was killed by a small child, and who hardly had any sort of success once Barksdale was gone) to an entire Mafia family is patently ridiculous. It's far more of a condemnation of Marlo that he couldn't get to Omar than vice versa.
TONY WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO HIRE A HIT SQUAD , AS A STREET GUY MYSELF IM NOT IMPRESSED FROM WHAT I SEEN FROM HIS MUSCLE DURING THE ENTIRE SOPRANOS SERIES 💯🤞🏿
I think a big part of the fight is whether or not we’re going with the writing of the shows and how characters definitely have their own flaws. As an example to the ending of the show where Marlo was with the lawyer at the party, it wasn’t meant for him. He only got with the Greeks in a way to cut off prop Joe and hold onto the crown. With the way the mafia is organized Marlo would have to figure out a way to be of service to Tony assuming that there’s a connection between Marlo and Tony via mutual interest in a money making opportunity. The racial divide itself might already be contentious enough, it just depends Marlo could butter of Tony to include him on a deal. however we could also assume the New Jersey mob could come across a drug dealing opportunity where they can safely send the drugs to Baltimore. The only real reason why Marlo would interfere is if they want to cut out the middleman from whoever is delivering the product. In terms of whoever is stepping on whoever’s territory Marlo would be at a heavy disadvantage because in the short term if you can take out Tony he’ll have New York handled but the other New Jersey mobs and crews along with the New York mobs and Crews would have to get in and Marlo would then lose out over nothing. In terms of Tony going over to Baltimore he would also stick out like a sore thumb so they would probably have to get involved with a union of some sort and then use that connection from the union to push drugs if they view it as a good money making scheme. And assuming Tony sends one of his crew down to Baltimore the only person I can see him sending would be Christopher Moltisanti or Silvio Dante (possibly both) In order to get some information. However that is also assuming that Silvio Dante could get his way into the union. However we would also assume that like you said they would hire outside crews to take care of the business but I don’t see a real reason for the New Jersey mob to even run into the drug game. While Tony has good quality management and middleman he’s also got loyal mobs and Crews that will assist in a war if he can play his cards right. Marlow overall has at least five top-notch and top quality soldiers that can do work for him (Chris In a way is good because he could probably infiltrate the New Jersey mob by the way he acts and represents himself) it would take Marla on a long time to find outside help to take down the soprano crew unless he comes across some people that can flip easily. Overall I would give it to Tony because he has the time, Marla would just need to figure out when and where would be a good time to do a hit assuming that Tony isn’t going to be as paranoid. Overall Tony is a win in my book
I got a great idea for a Soprano video that I haven't seen yet by anyone and would love to see on your channel. I'm thinking the title would be something like "Was Tony Ever the Real/Official Boss? This would of course be more related to Junior officially being crowned the boss and even after season 1 certain people still revered Junior the real boss and viewed his ok as more important than Tony's such as Richie and Feech and then he was still requested for sit downs with New York like in that Johnny Sack and Ralph situation and during the NY war for boss. Even after Tony took over after season 1 he would cry to his capos about how they need to kick up more money so he can kick up more money to Junior for his legal fees. Did the other families in NY and certain crews in the family always see Junior as the official boss and Tony simply as underboss? Like Uncle Jun literally shot Tony in the stomach and didn't get touched for it. Somebody shooting a boss is an automatic death sentence despite Tony's wishes but a boss shooting his underboss that happens to be his nephew is whatever. Another thing to consider, for the overall title of the video, wasn't the Dimeo boss before Jackie Aprille still alive in prison?
Tony would win. Way too big of an advantage being higher on the food chain and being able to cooperate with the FBI (like the agent who tries to help him in the end, can’t remember his name). The only wild card would be if Marlo could pull of a hit on Tony. Take the head off the snake. This is a similar question as if Marlo went after The Greek. It’s just a different beast. Sounds like you generally agree.
Marlo doesn't run a "street gang", he runs a drug crew that revolves around him and the drug game. They have none of the characteristics of a street gang. They don't even have a name.
Tony has 5 families behind him, longer money and experience! A crew can't take on a family! Marlo would be a SNACK! Chris and snoop would turn on Marlo for a fee! $$$
The height of Marlo's power was at the end of the series. Allied with the friends he was making in big business and politics he could have taken on the Jersey mob. When he took over the COOP the Jersey mob could have had him killed easy. The probably would have used dirty cops to do it
@@solidshot6600what are people talking about cops for they aren’t paid to war with organizations they are paid to look the other when mafia does something dumb
It's no contest tony soprano. Marlo is a smalltime hood king who would be dead if stringer didn't snitch Avon out. Now if you put the Avon barksdale organization against tony soprano that would be a little more even but the sopranos got resources neither could match like dirty cops, politicians not to mention connections with the New York families. Tony is just on a level neither could could ever reach
This debate can be settled easily. Phil will tell you a couple of three things: 1. Jersey is nothing more than a glorified crew 2. Tony never had the makings of a varsity athlete 3. 20 fucking years I did!
i think marlo has the edge just because he's a cold blooded psycho with no empathy or remorse, he's willing to do whatever it takes. He's not tied down to anyone or anything. Tony has two families he has to support (his actual family and his crime family) that makes tony's life more complicated and has more vulnerabilities
I think Marlo could actually win. We saw Tony's crew getting tired of him during his brief war with New York. And no lower level guys even got hit. If Chris and Snoop were picking off lower level guys like Benny or Little Paulie, it wouldn't take long for the Carlos' and Patsy's to decide they wanted no part of the war and turn on Tony. These are all middle-aged out-of-shape family men who want no part of the streets. You think they're going to go down to a block with a whole street crew standing there strapped to the tits, and start shooting? And no mercenaries Tony could hire would penetrate the Stanfield crew's defences in wartime. The Mafia also has rules they have to follow. No families. Marlo wouldn't think twice about sending Chris and Snoop to pay Carmella or AJ a little visit, and they wouldn't hesitate about killing women or children. Also, Marlo has child soldiers who we have seen are well-trained at spotting enemies and following them. The Jersey Mob would not be prepared at all for such an attack. We saw what happened when Bobby went too far deep into the hood. He ended up crying and begging to a pack of pre-teens with guns. Jersey's muscle relies on unsuspecting middle-class victims. They are equipped or prepared for war. On the other hand, we've seen Chris use highly effective military tactics in his search for Omar. And he regularly trains his soldiers in various different scenarios. If bodies started hitting the ground, I think the Soprano family would crumble or turn on each other faster than your'e giving them credit for. But that's just my opinion. :D
I agree with the odds probably being in Tony’s favor, I don’t think Marlo would actually face that much retaliation if he were to take Tony out early on. For one, his crew would have to know it was him which isn’t really guaranteed though that would depend on how these two got into contact to begin with. If it was known that the two were doing business then maybe, but I don’t see why Tony himself would ever be dealing with Marlo because he’s too high up, too racist, and has said he stays out of the drug game on multiple occasions. If the two crews were doing business its likely that someone lower level would act as the liaison between the two, probably Christopher. Despite all that, let’s assume Marlo wants Tony dead for some reason and sends Chris and Snoop up to Jersey and they get the job done. They would need to find the body, which given their usual M.O. might not even happen, thus leaving it more open as to who’s responsible for Tony disappearing. Even if they did find it and figure out it was Marlo, the Jersey crew might send some guys down but I’m not sure they’d be able to get to Marlo as easily and I sincerely doubt New York would get involved. Tony’s relationship with Johnny Sack was tenuous at best, I doubt Carmine would lose any sleep over it, and Phil would probably be glad it happened. If Tony gets killed early on there isn’t a whole lot Jersey could do about it or even would do about it cause if it’s during season 3 or 4 like you said you’d have people like Ralphie or maybe Junior gunning for the top spot and their attention would be on that instead. All that being said though, I think getting Tony early on is the only way Marlo really wins. If Tony wants to strike first the mafia has a lot more ways to put the squeeze on Stanfield than the other way around. I wouldn’t put it past him to create a little dysentery among the ranks and going to the remaining members of the Co-Op, or even the Greeks to try to isolate Marlo. If Tony survives the attack it’s gonna be war, and having seen The Wire at that point Marlo’s biggest problem won’t be Tony, but rather the noise a war between him and the mob would generate which would very quickly get to the cops. The Stanfield Crew didn’t have the meticulousness that the Barksdales had and even they ended up getting caught up. Marlo only made it as long as he did cause they didn’t think he was dropping bodies like that. You start a war with the mob you’re not only putting your own guys and income at risk, but the cops, and since the mafia is involved, probably the feds would be on them both. It would be more profitable for both of them to avoid war and I think both sides would know that. It would all really come down to who hit first, and I think that 9 times out of 10 it would be Marlo. Though the longer the war goes on, the worse it gets for both sides as they both start to lose guys, money, or they start getting investigated.
I would remove the idea of squeezing the coop to cause descent. They were all pissed at Marlo for killing Prop Joe and taking over the coop but they all stayed because the alternative was war with the Stanfields and finding a new supplier with a likely inferior product. Unless Tony could get them a steady stream of good product, and extra muscle until things cool off, that's not a real option.
Marlo loses just for the fact he only runs one section, or a quarter section of Baltimore, which only has about 200,000-300,000 residents. Where as Tony runs North Jersey which is connected, not only to NYC but to Philly as well… good luck Marlo!
I think Marlo would gain ground in a battle but ultimately Tony would win the war. I don’t think The Greek wouldn’t be too keen about another supply being introduced to Baltimore. Tony would probably have another war on their hands!
@Aaron Sanders First off, street gangs have no real legitimate infrastructure. Second, the cartel operates in a failed narco state. I’m not sure how well the cartel could be as powerful if it conducted its internal operations on this side of the border. As far as sophistication, political power and overall effectiveness as organization, the mafia set the standard.
Breaking bad, would be a good example. As far as fiction goes, it took a fucking genius like Gus, decades to run a relatively small operation on this side of the border.
Thanks for making this, great vid. I'd only argue that the Sopranos org is so public with their homes and hangouts and partying, so known and that Tony, his kids and family and crews families are also pretty public in their lives. The fictional Mafia has rules about family , which would mean nothing to Marlo. As far as a first strike situation Marlo could send Chris and Snoop to Ton'y house one night, or get at AJ or Meadow at school, Carmella out to lunch with Ro, Janis, Livia, Junior on house arrest with Bobby......etc. Alot of their key people are out in the open and all have predictable hangouts where they frequently congregate. But Marlo is basically just a name. We never see his home or family and only an aunt is ever mentioned. We know next to nothing about him really. Sopranos being a character profile gives us alot of access and insight into the Sopranos. Marlo on the Wire is less of a character study as it is a polemic. As for the potential blow back by the "real" Mafia......well...that's absolutely true...but that also depends on who is Boss at that time. Carmine Sr would be his best bet as carmine was a pragmatist and traditionalist....but even he held the Sopranos in contempt. being wacked or even challenged effectively by Marlo might make Tony lose face. Depending on when and Johnny sack or good lord..Phil....and tough luck on that. Lastly i'd argue that the quality of Ton;y people in an actual war is largely untested. They mostly just sucker punch regular folks. Chris and Snoop are relentless killers and Chris clearly has some sort of formal training. That being said, i totally agree on the long game belonging to Tony.
Tony has 5 families behind him, longer money and experience! A crew can't take on a family! Marlo would be a SNACK! Chris and snoop a turn on Marlo for a fee!
@@punnymoney3692 Tony does NOT have 5 families "behind him". According to them Tony is running a glorified crew himself. This is echoed by Carmine Sr and later Phil in separate conversations. Money, sure in the long term, Experience? Tony never fought in a gang war....and when he did ...his crew was quickly put on their heels. Once Johnny or Phil was in charge....it would be Tony who would also have to worry about being turned on for a fee. Chris took a life sentence for Marlo as the OP mentioned. Tony on the other hand had backstabbers like Ralph, Paulie, Richie, Livia, Junior......even Vito was looking to make a move up. Or worse still he had screw ups like Christopher. Meanwhile you had tons of rats and informants with the FBI... from Big Pussy to Jimmy Altieri, Eugene Pontecorvo, Raymond Curto to Carlo Gervasi. Keep in mind most of these guys were Captains. Other than Silvio, his entire organization were backstabbers and rats. Who in that crew was going to do life for Tony? Tony meanwhile walks outside his house everyday to pick up his newspaper. Zero security most of them time.
@@bradwatkins7564 no thats only said by carmine and phil. Tony is a made man and is in the mob theres no glorified crew about it. The mob will come for them if that ever happened thats why it never happens.
@@bradwatkins7564 you must didnt watch the sopranos or no how the mob works even if you dont want to do something you have to or youre dead you took an oath. Theres no discussion about tony tells someone to do something they do it.
@@johnnyoldenjr. Carmine and Phil were both bosses of the only New York family we see in the show and more importantly made those comments unconnected to each other as when Carmine said that Phil was in the can. It speaks to a larger perception of them as less than, Carmine did business with them but kept them at arms length even giving tony the line of a "boss does not wear shorts". John was working Paulie and Ralphie behind Tony's back. Phil went to war and decimated them in a very short period of time.
So who do you think would win?
Dammit........now i want a crossover :(
Adebesi would win.
Sure, Tony could hide, but how long could Aj, Carmella and Meadow hide, we know Marlo crew is going for them. And another thing, the fact that Marlos territory is pretty much ALL black, there's not going to be many successful attacks on Marlo territory because Italian white guys are going to get spotted a mile away. At the end of the day, none of marlos crew is scared of jail or death, half of Tony's crew flipped by the end of the show. So once word of war gets out, Tony would also be fighting to stay out of law enforcement reach and that's going to drain resources. Remember, the mob is priority or drugs
@@shrim1481 ya and he would put a little hat on the side of their heads.
@@marklive4537 lol
All Marlo has to do is pretend to go to college, fall in love with Meadow,get invited in to the house, and checkmate.
Yeah, Tony would have dropped dead from a heart attack, thus saving NY the trouble lmao
On god
HAHA!!
Remember Noah. Marlo would not be able to enter the house
And then the other families ends him.
Animal Blundetto would give Bunk a backrub that he would never gonna forget.
Truth. Blundetto vs the Bunk. Make that video next. Blundetto is terrible at pulling off crimes but good at keeping his mouth shut. Bunk talks a lot but is really good at solving crimes.
I cant believe your able to say his name.
Can't even say his name...
Good shit lol
All Marlo would have to do is go up to what ever cc Tony is golfing at and say "I'm gonna need you guys to pack it up. I'm being a gentleman about it right now." while swinging his golf club.
Tony only need to side with prop joe and avon and it's a wrap for marlo
Lmao. That'd be hilarious.
Depends what season. Furio might come out of knowhere with the, "stupid'a fahcking club"
@@ta3-mnp4rk4 Then Marlo would say "You want it to be one way but it's the other way."
Furio would drown his ass on the 7th hole
Not a single soldier or capo in Tony’s crew is as ruthless as Chris
@pauloeusebio7755 this
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Would still destroy him
Tony can call in zips from Sicily to do the dirty work and has alliances with a lot of other crime syndicates.. Hell, all Tony would have to do is get some ex-Barksdale soldiers like Bodie together who were still loyal to the old guard and throw some money for them to go independent in exchange for them keeping the heat on Marlo. He could fight a proxy war with Marlo's crew without ever once getting personally involved, like when he cleaned out the crackhouses in Season 4.
Furio
Tony has connections to the police and political leaders, where Marlo has neither. That can definitely serve to give Tony the edge. Not to mention that Tony has connections and the support of the NY families and the Italian mob. I've gotta go with Tony on this one.
True, but tony doesn’t have a heavy hitter as chris. And marlo always low key
marlo would body tony, connections don't mean shit when a guy with a gun sneaks up on you
@@ubt3606 lmao how would a black guy take out the mob in public they would get shot then swept under the rug and if Italians are send to the concrete jungle they will get killed them the cops would clean the place up 😂😂😂
@@justinkim7756 watch the wire and then talk. This aint the 40s, 50s or 60s anymore where Mafia had influence in major institutions. Mafia folks are barely relevant because they're a shadow of their former self.
Also no one is untouchable, I thought the ending of the sopranos made that clear when the screen went all black on tony
@@ubt3606 Yeah but like Bully mentioned if Marlo took out a Boss the entire mafia would collapse on him. Marlo is smart enough to know that its idiotic to kill a mafia boss with no bigger support system to back up that kind of play. So at the end of the day Marlo winning is bigger than just taking out Tony. You gotta find a way to take him out and make everyone ok with it. Which for a black gang member isn't gonna play with the mob.
Soprano's organization is basically political; Stanfield's is basically economic. Both involve force and money; Tony's emphasizes force, supported by money; Marlo's emphasizes money, supported by force. Tony is more secure economically due to variety of income; Marlo is more secure politically due to alignment of interests with underlings. Marlo would win in the short run if he gets that lucky shot; Tony would win in the long run. So Marlo needs a blitzkreig and Tony needs a quagmire.
It occurs to me that Putin also sells a single product, and he too needed a blitzkrieg, but NATO has him in a quagmire. So maybe Putin's like Stanfield, and NATO's like the Mob.
You make too much sense for TH-cam.
Single product? There is gas, oil, steel, food, weapons.
You broke my fucking brain dude but I get it🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No your wrong as stated in the show tony actually Isnt rolling in money . Carmella even once stated it that he spends it as fast as he makes it that’s why many times in the series you see tony hesitant or dismissive when he has to use money not for himself or something he doesn’t feel is worth it. That’s the writers trying to show that a lot of the times the mob highlife is a front and some bigwigs are actually living Chex to check in a sense. Marlo was a millionaire when he got locked up . You rarely saw him in expensive massive jewelry he only had 2 cars the whole show . Never saw him splurge like the barksdales . And that was the writers showing you how militant he is and that he more about control and stacking than making money to be fly . Mario would win many times over . Firstly let’s say they decide to go to war at the same moment. Knowing the mob most likely it won’t be the very next day but it can come at any day . But if your from Marlos hood and Mario never leaves the hood which is 90% black a white man in the hood full of blacks coming your way is noticeable. On the other hand a black guy in jersey at places where there are other races all around is less noticeable. And going by sopranos during war they still move around and handle they day to day. Literally probably next day tony would be getting in his car with security as soon as he pulls out the driveway another car full of Mario’s ppl gon pull up and spray that car up . Hood dudes don’t deal in politics . It’s clear and simple I want everything to be under me . That’s it straight power and domination . The mob is more political in having others on the same level as you or higher coming together to make money for the betterment of the organization as a whole (dems/rep) .
Putin definitely doesn’t have a single product lol. That’s just a lazy analysis US politicians give because they’re mad that the EU needs his gas. But Russia provides other things than that easily. Just look at the food crisis right now
Tony had more soldiers or access to more in the end. However, intellectually Marlo was better and definitely had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Tony would beat Marlo, but Avon would give Tony a disaster of a matchup especially with his brother Stringer out of the picture.
Varsity athlete? What does that mean? He was black? He was a skinny kid with a big head. Tony would beat him to death.
Yeah but what if tony didn’t have small hands? Would he then have the makings of a varsity athlete, making tony better.
Are we talking about a fight between the two or who's going to take down organization
@@pisko2119 idk it’s not very clear but that’s not important, what is though is that tony didn’t have the makings of a varsity athlete
This video makes a good point on how Tony is better equipped to survive a war of attrition but one thing it fails to consider is the police aspect of it. As good as it is, the way murders are conducted and they get away with them is embarrassing to say the least. If the detectives from the Wire were in Jersey they would’ve put an end to Tony by the end of season 1 when he shot a dude on a boat in broad daylight. Not to mention the Stanfield advantage with fast and reliable communications that can avoid police investigation for long periods of time, something the Soprano crew lacks because they usually have to meet face to face to conduct operations.
Also, the point about Marlo losing the connect is negligible because in order for him to lose the connect, another crew would have to take him out and establish a deal with the Greeks first. And due to Marlo having people watching the greeks and General street happenings through lookouts, that’s not happening.
Even considering a war of attrition, Marlo can afford to hide for longer periods of time due to his negligible social presence. When Tony has to hide, nearly everyone has to hide with him, because generally his soldiers are directly under him. With all the corner boys and lookouts at his disposal, Marlo never has to touch the streets, and he doesn’t run into the risk of losing any of the resources because at most, they get locked up for a night or two on a humble charge. Marlo has a near indefinite supply of soldiers even outside his direct crew.
All in all, I think this video really neglects to factor in the community aspect of Marlo’s operation and how impenetrable it is.
Bmore vs NY, NJ and Sicilly. Nuff said
While I agree all that is true about Marlo, I disagree he could win against a mafia family just due to how long said families have been around, & their connections to ability of manipulating inner mechanisms of power throughout the US government, such as crooked politicians and judges
I agree I love Tony but I feel like Marlo would put an end to him quick and clean without NYC Mob even knowing it was him
@@ChillConservative2k15 it would be Naples not Sicily
Thats true, police/fbi are a joke in the sopranos
Let’s not forget Tonys top Lieutenants. Chris was a junkie. Paulie and Vito were planning on taking over the family. Carlo didn’t respect Tony. Marlo’s crew was solid.
They weren’t solid as a whole just the relationship between Marlo Chris and Snoop. Otherwise everyone was just in fear of Marlo and you know those kids weren’t getting paid as well as they could.
Tony would just have to pay off people in Marlos Crew. Plus with all the deep connections the Sopranos have Marlos crew has no chance. Outside of a lucky shot Marlo might get.
@@IAmNotACrook what deep connects? Tony ruined them all.
@@IAmNotACrook The streets don’t have no code. The Mafia does (No Family). Marlo would go after there family.. (Checkmate)
@@broj1942 That code really only goes for made men. Plus The mob has countless government officials on payroll Marlo does not.
@@hiddengems7518 I mean with the the whole race thing New York would def be down to step up
Tony wins and then McNulty takes down the Jersey mob. 🤣🤣🤣
Seeing the Vito and Omar had a long term on and off relationship they would definitely work together to try and take down Marlo. Omar did give Vito intel on Jackie Jr
That is awesome fan fiction.
Partlow is perfect for a war with the unsuspecting Sopranos. They almost killed omar who is probably harder to hit than Tony.
I think Tony’s crew wouldn’t take Marlo seriously because they are black and would probably underestimate how tactical they actually are .
They’d eventually chef em up even with underestimation
Then They'd All End Up Like Bugsy Calhone & Crew On Harlem Nights
@@MrNotaComedian hell nah there a joke to the mob
Marlo was a damn menace in the streets but I think taking on Tony would be too much for him. Tony has a lot of distractions but he's on point when it's wartime.
Your assessment largely matches my own, Marlo is more ruthless and focused and his core group is more disciplined and loyal than Tony's, but the organizational structure of the mafia is too much for a street gang to handle, even one as competent and tough as Stanfield's. However, on a personal level I think Marlo possibly could ruin Tony's life at least, because he's the kind of guy who'd kill wives, kids, whoever.
Jersey might as well be a street gang. Marlo can go to new Jersey and strike feely..Tonys crew can not pull up in west baltimore
@@tapset Tony's crew could pose as cops and go right in there and arrest Marlo at one of his spots. Marlo's crew would just see white dudes and assume they are cops.
@@pietrosavastano4641 sure bro they’re all goofies
@@tapset Dude Tony and his crew had connections. They could’ve hired a cop in Baltimore to arrest Marlo for something stupid and hold him somewhere until Tony’s soldiers got there. Marlo didn’t have those kind of connections.
@@pietrosavastano4641 I think a bunch of Italian dudes with new Jersey accents will set off alarms. But Marlo would've lost to Avon if he didn't get arrested
Tony Soprano has contacts all over the US and Italy Marlo Stanfield doesn't know anybody outside of Baltimore..Easy win for Tony
Marlo actually had the makings of a Varsity Athlete. That about sums it up.
Most of the people hate marlo because they love Avon.
Did he ever make it to the college ball?
Marlo only cares about his business and his name, he has no background and excessive dramas. Unlike Tony. He would win the way he won against Avon.
@@artflowerslofi2676 small hands, that was his problem
hehehe did you hear that? He said "Bet did not even in high school"
I said "Small hands, that was his problem"
Marlo is the strong silent type he brought himself to power Tony in the other hand was put on by his daddy
The new Gary Copper
He’s too reckless….Tony was also, but Tony wouldn’t kill some security guard because he pissed him off
@@X-hoshaq-X yeah he would just kill his main earner instead because he killed a horse
@@nattturner true, among other reasons….but he knew him and everyone wanted him dead…killing a stranger is very risky
@@X-hoshaq-X risky?! Marlo had half of the homicides in Baltimore as unsolved mysteries that was huge feat, I like the Sopranos and all but the story of Marlo was that of an evil genius the Tony story was that of a weak man
Marlo taking out all the jersey glorified crews while listening to “Up in the Club”
😂
I think the Mafia with their connections could win through attrition. The only disadvantage that TS has is Marlo’s luck. Marlo rose through good timing, having cold blooded murders like Chis and Snoop work for him and definitely some street smarts. Violence and cold blooded attacks against Jersey like New York did in Season 6 would be Marlo’s best strategy.
I haven't watched The Wire, but I'm curious to see the result.
Good video! I would love to see a video on Tony's crew vs Barksdale crew or any other crew form the wire.
Based on watching Marlo think before he reacts Tony reacts before he think Marlo’s origination are all about strategy Tony’s crew aren’t about strategy
Thats false watch the sopranos again. You think all those meetings were just to eat.
Tony and his gang would absolutely destroy Marlo and his. I hope you know that.
@@muhammadeyssa23648 Lol
Best episode of "Deadliest Warrior" ever. Keep em coming my man
Marlo Stanfield should be your next Machiavellian Monday subject sir.
He will be, but next is Prop Joe and after that is Tony
This!
@@bullywhispers9544Avon barksdale
U forgot that Chris and snoop would’ve took off half of Tony’s crew alone lol
I don't know. Chris, Sil, Paulie, Patsie, Furio, Pussy, Bennie, Warden, the young kid driver body builder, plus the other two Capos, the one on house arrest and the snitch. They all had mad people under them. We just see the made guys.
And Tony B is genius level
@@claudewashington5247 yeah but they were dumb lol Chris and snoop was killing dozens of ppl on the street no mask or nun driving brand new suvs😂🤦🏾♂️tony only had 2 real shooters silvio and pauly Chris was on drugs,Jr was a saint one day and a snake the next😂,pussy went soft,Johnny sack got sick and that didn’t even matter he had a Rico 😂 I think Marlo would win
@@darriusg5007 They had so many other button men bro. Paulie Syl and Chris were top tier. They were psychos yes but they had dozens of men under them.
@@claudewashington5247 u don’t get the comparison lol Tony’s crew was full of snakes,his own uncle and mom tried to get him whacked,pussy snitched,Pauly and Vito was tryna take over the family,Chris was on drugs and didn’t know if he wanted to make films or be a DON Johnny sack never liked that family lol and ordered Phil to kill Chris in front of Tony!!!! 😂 the mob is all out for self vs Marlo’s crew the only stain was silvio and tbh he got ran up on by Omar so I kinda gave him the benefit of the doubt Chris and snoop was DOG level loyal,he had prop joe brains behind him,a street team,and ppl forget when Marlo’s character was introduced he was already the man so that means he has vouchers and also Marlo was stonecold tony would almost die if his therapist didn’t answer 😂
The reasons Tony wins, the fact that Tony is Boss of Jersey, his crew is a whole mafia family that includes so many associates that aren't shown on screen... Everyone of Tony's Capo's have whole crews behind of them. Tony has a longer reach, in boxing terms... You can't hit him without taking hits yourself. If Tony can win a war against a NY family, he can whoop Marlo ass.
@@honkeykong4049 Also, if he is Season 3 Tony, he would be able to use his relationship with Johnny Sack and get reinforced by The Lupertazzi Family... IF it went that deep (I don't think Marlo lasts 2 weeks warring with the North Jersey COSA NOSTRA) Tony, with Johnny as his emissary could take the beef all the way to the commission... Marlo died while I was typing this. 🤣
Not to mention the 200 soldiers that Phil leotardo has and also Tony's cousins from Italy
@@3dtx197 Also Furio, Benny and Walden are good hitmen.
@@Cbjames715 Yet at the final season , the Lupertazzi family thought the Sopranos were a glorified street crew , not a real family. Most of those guys started snitching and weakened the Soprano s..
Marlo ram an entire projects. I don’t think y’all understand how many people live in just those couple of buildings. That’s not even including the blocks he controls as well. Associates aren’t going to go to war for Tony only the family.
If they sent Chris and Snoop to hit Tony at that news stand, there wouldn't have been a season 2 of the Sopranos.
Forgot to mention Tony has access to cops and politicians on the take, if he can’t find Marlo they might. They could also be used to squeeze his income stream.
People in the comments are vastly overrating the usefulness of Tony’s connections. Remember, the mafia operates strictly for business. If they don’t think aiding Tony in a war against a Baltimore street crew is financially viable they won’t do it (and they won’t because they would probably underestimate Marlo’s crew as “random street n words”).
Phil Leotardo didn’t even need approval from the Five Families to decide to go to war with Tony. Tony does not have the pull y’all think he does.
Also Marlo did not dismantle the co-op, he basically absorbed it. Since he owned the connect, the co-op rules still applied (share and share alike). Now his amount of soldiers increased from the endless supply of soldiers from west Baltimore to the endless supply of soldiers from the entirety of Baltimore, plus contract killers from New York like muzone who take on a contract simply for how much it pays, with no regard to the financial viability of the task
Tell em' 💯
If Marlo kill Tony cosa nostra will kill him, is a matter of honor for the italian mafia
Phil probably got killed for starting the war in New Jersey. You don't put out an unsanctioned hit on a boss, end of story, Phil just didn't give a shit at that point. Butchie knew they could never move on with Phil alive even if they won the war, that's why I think Butch planned to have him killed from the very beginning. Look at John Gotti, Frankie DeCicco and the other hitters on Paul Castellano. They were either killed, or subject of assassination attempts from the other families because they killed a boss without a commission ok. It's a death sentence to kill a mafia boss, especially for an outsider with very little pull within the organisation like Marlo.
Tony has connections outside the mafia, genius. He's connected to Russian crime syndicates, street gangs, crooked cops, politicians, you name it. Plus he can call in zips from Italy to bomb the hell out of Marlo's dope corners until his profits drop to zero. And even though Marlo "owned" the co-op most of them resented and distrusted him. You think a guy like Slim Charles would have backed Marlo in a war with the mob? Or Cheese with his two-faced double dealing ways? He never commanded real respect or loyalty like Avon did, he was a jumped up dictator who ruled through fear and that only gets you so far.
Tony hands down…between his crew and help for the other families it won’t be close
tony and the NYC Mafia would destroy Marlo and his crew. the American mafia is too powerful and the their money is much to long for marlo to even have a chance.
Tony could just use members of his crew to pose as police officers. They could "arrest" Marlo without incident and then drive him to a safe house, kill him, and chop up his remains
@@sharifsimpson5761 back in the 60s to early 70s, but these nut ass street gangs that recruit everyday is something else.
@@shakeemdiggz2354 they arent organized they would get destroyed back then and now. The mob has to much money and power. They arent beating them
@@johnnyoldenjr. okay
Marlo would’ve had that, Tony ended up killing most of his crew and Marlo’s people stood tall 😭
The problem marlo would have had was that the sopranos are connected all over the place,Tony would have known before marlo even made a move and marlo would be dead,either by law enforcement giving up his location or his own people for money,very hard to take on a man that's so well connected.its like stringer wanting to take on clay davis
@@user-sk4wf3ve6z You are exactly right but what about Tony and Justin's own crew by themselves without the backup of out of town Think about that
Marlo has a good amount of reach because of "the Greeks" but Tony has sooo much reach because of the history of the families and theut deep ties across a lot of other crews and institutions.
marlo was not in business with the greeks
@@dizzlegrizzle1919 - did you not watch the whole show?
Marlo only beat Avon because of Avons incarceration & the unskilled leadership of stringer bell. If Avon was never incarcerated & put a little bit of his pride to the side he would of destroyed Marlo
Avon was on his way to smoke all of Marlo's crew and Marlo had no idea.
Avon had the drop on him already but got incarcerated thanks to Stringer.
@@DefaultName-du3kr slim Charles should of finished the mission without Avon approval.
Woulda shoulda
@@nattturner it’s just an opinion. Lol don’t get to invested in it 😂
@@juansablo5781 you can woulda shoulda all day tho so it’s pointless
Tony has cops and politicians on the payroll, Marlo only has the local streets.
Shiiiiiit
Marlo has no path to victory in a war with the DiMeo Family. Even in Marlo's best case scenario of Super Chris Partlow totally wiping out the DiMeos, New York is going to rain a shitstorm down on him like he has never fucking seen.
Damn you might be right didn't think about NYC getting mad
FACTS...
And 🤣🤣
As long as Marlo gave new York money I don't think they gave a shit, specially if Phil was on top..Marlo is a come from behind kind of guy
Marlo wouldn't even engage in a war with Tony (mafia).
@@Connect200 yes he would and Tony would think shit was sweet till they got Chrissy
In the long term, Tony would probably win.
In the short term, Chris and Snoop would go after Tony, his men and their families.
Who’s to say they wouldn’t go for Chris’s family or something?
Chris and Snoop killed corner boys and civilians. Most of their victims didn't even resist. They couldn't even kill Omar's dusty ass when he was limping around Baltimore and had to wait for that skid mark Kenard to do it. You really think they'd have a chance against an entire crew when they can barely handle one guy?
It would also depend who was Boss. If Carmine was Boss, Tony is fine. If it was John while their at war or Phil, Tony would have a 2 wars or New York coulda helped Marlo in finishing him. Also Tony has rats in his crew who have legitimate hatred towards him, they can easily flip and help Marlo as theorized they helped New York take him down.
You forgot the other side of it. The mob could have just as easily had Avon/sring, Omar and others on their side. I say tony would win all day. A Baltimore street crew has way less man power and connects than the Italian mob.
Damn!
@@bingbong1222 the Only I see them winning is they would win is if they hired a Brother Muzone type character
They would never "flip" to help out a "smoke".
(Their terminology, not mine)
Come on now
@@frankmurphy7234 brother muzone might can hold the italians off for a little while be the Italian mafia is too powerful, connected and wealthy for marlo and his crew to stand a chance. In other words, with or without Brother muzone, the italians would destroy marlo.
People like Marlo always ended up answering to people like Tony, or even the people Tony answers up to.
No marlo answers 2 no only he would've heard anything T had 2 say is if he had some dope
In what city
Naw. A person like Marlo wouldn’t respect Tony.
Marlo and his crew are legit psychopaths, they don't give a PHUKH about the law, feelings, death, murder. Tony was having anxiety attacks over animals and RICOs. Marlo would never answer to tony if it meant not being the king. Marlos response to Vincent when he warned him about death and prison was "who cares". These aren't the same black gangsters from 40s 50s who were normal people engaging in legal trade with families and communities they cared about. Marlo kind barely cared about themselves outside of their reputation
Nah Marlo was fearless cutthroat and able to problem solve whereas tony needed a psychiatrist and Marlo never hesitated
New York would not get involved. They would think Tony is weak.
Marlo and his Enforcers would destroy the Soprano crew, who of course would be tripping over each other as they turn on one another. Only Furio would put up a fight.
Furio is a menace isn't he? Imagine him and Chris Partlow one on one.
@@JayCity10he’s getting killed in no time
Tony because Marlo was never really tested... he got lucky...
People keep forgetting that.
If Marlo was looking to take over NJ i think he succeeds fairly easily as he'd have an intel advantage from jump due to the Soprano family being on public record, once he sends his guys out there the added pressure of a war could also crush them on the inside as they question Tonys ability to stay focused and also put everyones best interests above his own(which is never happening). I see them getting picked off quickly with assassinations while they struggle to fight back due to not being able to see or kno their enemy, Marlos name might never reach their ears and even if it does it might be too late, the type of maneuvering he did to dodge BPD for years is too advanced for the Sopranos.
I gotta say Marlo... Tony would put up a fight... But he never had the makings of a varsity athlete 🤣
The fact that at least one very large NY family would be likely to back up the Soprano family means that Tony almost certainly wins. Not to mention the fact that he has most of the local cops in his pocket and can even call in Camorra shooters from Italy. Plus Tony has political connections that Marlo really can’t match. Cutting revenue streams out of the equation, Tony has a couple dozen soldiers directly under him (plus a small crew for each one of those), 100+ soldiers from NY, potentially dozens of cops, Italian soldiers, and political allies. Marlo really just has street soldiers. Tony is definitely more likely to get distracted and slower to move once shit goes down, but he’s also probably smarter than Marlo overall, and is more experienced in general.
Neva had the makings of a varsity athlete tho...small hands that was ALWAYS his problem.
I never seen anyone make videos like this. Nice work bro you should keep more coming
Don't forget, Tony is a made man. If by chance Marlo hit Tony, he would be a dead man walking.
Also, thank for posting this video. There have been good debates. Love your channel.
Marlo. No one knew where he lived, where episodes of Tony's house was witnessed without guards.
Chris had 30+ bodies under 30. Took a L on the chin. Tony has no soldiers that loyal. And Marlo isn’t opposed to killing family members. It’ll be easier to find Tony than Marlo
Most of Chris's bodies were civilians or punk ass corner boys who literally walked to their own deaths. Whenever Chris stepped to a real player like Avon or Omar he took an L. He was good at beating chomos to death and torturing old blind men but fighting actual seasoned mafia soldiers is another story.
Yo Marlo, is gonna come out on top every time..... Tony don't have enough guys....
To be fair, we only really see the made men. They probably have dozens of associates who'd be down to cap people just for brownie points and a few grand in cash or heroin.
Is family is bigger then Marlos
@@grahamleeper8015 Also, just counting made men, Tony has around 50, a lot more than Marlo's... two hitters? Maybe three if we count Bodie. Tony has a lot of people who can carry out hits: Paulie, Gigi, Silvio, Chrissy, Patsy, Furio, Benny, Walden, Dante, Vito, Ralphie, Eugene, Carlo, Cary, Tony Black and the cousins from Naples. If New York gets involved it's goodnight for Marlo.
All he has to do to is have a word with Johnny sack, marlos gone bro, Tony's power is way beyond marlos
Each of Tony's captains have 10 guys under them
Chris AND SNOOP are both INTERIOR DECORATORS!!
Marlo didn't know how banks worked. I think the Mafia was running on a higher level then Marlow's crew.
What’s that have to do with knowing war.? All Marlo knew was how to kill. And he was good at it. I’m not saying Tony wasn’t but Marlo had so many disposable options to throw at Tony. Every single guy Tony threw at Marlo albeit except for the Sicilians was valuable man power in his organization. I think Marlo could pay 100 junkies to go try and kill Tony and Tony couldn’t even drive thru the hood without getting marked by the hoppers. Marlo has a very solid shot at winning
@Tom Berver you’re missing the point…Marlo also had money and we’ll structured kill squad. Their isn’t a single guy on that Jersey crew besides maybe furio that would’ve stood a chance against Chris partlow. In a short war Marlo might win to just flat out dismiss this is ignorant because you’d like to believe the mafia is somehow untouchable.
@Tom Berver
No one is untouchable.
@@JayyJay92
Chris Partlow: Failed to kill Avon in a drive by in Season 3, failed to kill Omar in Season 5 when he had him pinned down with a whole squad behind him. Mostly killed corner boys, civilians and old blind men. Needs teenagers like Michael and O-Dog to back him up for his hits because he's not man enough to do it himself.
Chris Moltisanti: Shot a guy in the head left-handed after being gutshot at point blank range. Killed a guy with a shotgun with a headshot during poker game robbery. Shot a biker from a moving car. Personally coordinated and orchestrated many hits for The Soprano family.
I know which Chris I'd put my money on and it sure as hell ain't Partlow.
Lets not forget Marlo was about to get aired out by slim right before Avon got arrested..they even had a grenade
Honestly in the sopranos tony had crazy plot armor so I would say Marlo
Definitely plot armor cause he would have been dead.
The more I watch it the more realistic sopranos feels and the wire seems like a fantasy. It's like debating who would win, James Bond or Superman
I thought it was the opposite for one the police are basically nerfed in the sopranos where as in the wire they are close to real life as possible in real life tony would have been arrested long ago
The opposite the wire more grounded
@@BigZ-19 the sopranos makes everyone look like average idiots. The wire makes everyone more intelligent and badass than the next guy. It's like a cartoon
I agree. A lot of people harp on about how realistic The Wire is but a lot of is overly sensationalized and far fetched. Omar and Brother Mouzone are cartoon characters, Marlo, Snoop and Chris are one dimensional villains with no depth whatsoever, the Hamsterdam plot in Season 3 is absolutely ridiculous and McNulty's whole fake serial killer thing in Season 5 is just absolute crap, some of worst writing in the history of TV. The Sopranos has a much greater level of psychological realism and depth. The characters feel like real people and you can relate to them. Most of the characters in The Wire are hollow straw men who only exist to push the message across and besides a few exceptions like Bubbles, Michael and Dukie I found it impossible to care about any of them.
@@silversnail1413 exactly when brother mouzone appeared is when I started to feel like they were just trying to top themselves but then you look back and it was always there .
The Greek etc
I still love the wire but it's a flawed masterpiece
Sopranos is pure art
Marlo had Chris and snoop. Two very smart and versatile killers who followed orderes to a t. Tony had Christopher moltisanti and paulie walnuts. One was a heroin addict and the other was saw the virgin mary in a strip club
Paulie was regularly overpowering dudes half his age and Chris survived multiple gunfights, even capping a dude in the head after being gutshot at point blank range. Meanwhile Chris and Snoop killed dumbass corner boys and tortured old blind men to death. They failed to kill Avon, failed to kill Omar, and probably wouldn't even have been able to drop Bodie if that punk O-Dog wasn't there to do it for them.
I give this to Marlo. Get them at The Bing.
We have to ask ourselves when has a street gang ever taken on and beaten a Mafia family? Never.
Sopranos would win. They would take some hard hits, but, would win the long game.
tony would have marlo washing his truck and folding his socks .. not even a fair war
Furio almost pushed Tony into a jet fan...
Chris Beat Mike's father to death by hand...
The Stanfield's were a tightly run, (larger in direct numbers, but definitely not as structured and insulated as North Jersey/NY)
The Soprano North Jersey family, had decades of procedure and access that could easily eliminate a Baltimore crew, but...
It's just too many variables... Marlo moves the crew to Jersey It's over for them before it starts.
Tony moves the family to Baltimore, somebody will find them in vacant.
I think you're right that Marlo would have long term issues since the war would evolve into war with the actual Mafia. However, regarding him vs Tony specifically, Marlo walks through Tony. He, basically, has a commando on his side with Chris. Tony's biggest enforcer is Furio who, while capable, doesn't show the level of skill Chris does.
Chris Paulie Silvio Warden and Bennie all have skill. So does gay ass Vito. But at the same time fuck those Jersey niggas. In Baltimore we aim and hit a nigga you heard lol
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Yeah but what would Chris do if there's a bee on somebody's hat
Wasn’t Chris ex Navy ?
Chris never showed that much skill. He failed to kill Avon in Season 3, failed to kill Omar in Season 5, and mostly just killed random corner boys or civilians who rarely put up a fight. And Snoop was so incompetent that she literally got domed by a teenager. Not sure why everyone hypes those two up like they're the deadliest badasses in the history of television, when you look at their track record they were actually pretty bad at their jobs.
Tony Soprano had connections in the “old country”. He would have simply mad a call, fly in two zips, and DONE.
Fit Marlo for a suit.
Although I think you are right about the outcome I wish you would have bought up Marlo having access to the Greeks. We seen in season 2 they came and helped the dock worker when Cheese was acting out. I think they would help if it benefited them.
If greeks found out that marlo is going to war with mafia they would probably find someone less insane to work with and ditch marlo
This isnt even a question tony could just have someone get the feds on them and his whole crew would be locked up. The mob is undefeated in wars.
Cool analysis but the question you asked yourself wasn't 'Bmore Westside vs Jersey(+NYC) Mafia, who would win?'
Marlo's crew vs Tony's crew, even if they go to mattresses, Chris and Snoop would get to Tony. Like how they tired to get to Omar except be successful, only person I see standing tall for Tony is... who? Silvio, maayyybe. Chris would flip on Tony like how they got to Prop Joe. Tony would be a dead man walking.
Omar went at Marlo and couldn't do shit. Your timing of peak power, it's not just Chris and Snoop, Michael would probably be the one to headshot Tony himself.
Once the Mafia show up in Bmore, they hate New Yorkers, they'd stick out like sore thumbs and end up capped any time they got anywhere near anything.
Tony would win through economic forces, sure, but there's no hiding for Tony. Marlo would win through pure violence. Only way that Tony wins is hiring Brother Mouzone somehow.
Remember Marlo fucked the Barksdale honeypot, then used that to counterattack Avon. We never saw a power move anywhere near that from the Sopranos in 6 seasons...
That's a massive amount of overconfidence. Chris and Snoop would be in Jersey for all of 5 minutes before they got picked up or shot by any number of people. That's even assuming they go to Jersey in the first place. If the situation is a DiMeo take over of Marlo's territory in Baltimore, then they're going to be way too busy trying to hold on to what they have to even try that shot. The Stanfield Crew has a lot fewer people in it than the DiMeo Family. Hell, the Barese Crew itself may outnumber the Stanfields, and that's just one of 5 or 6 crews in Tony's family. This isn't even mentioning the fact that Tony can call on buttonmen from Italy and New York, both of which he has done before.
"We never saw a power move like that from Tony"
He got the Lupertazzis to flip on Phil, ending the war with New York in a favourable position despite suffering the losses of both Bobby and Sylvio. That is a way bigger power move than plowing some broad and realizing that she just wasn't that into you.
"No hiding for Tony"
He successfully hid from the Lupertazzis, who have infinitely more resources and contacts to track folks down than Marlo ever did.
Comparing one guy (Omar, who by the way was killed by a small child, and who hardly had any sort of success once Barksdale was gone) to an entire Mafia family is patently ridiculous. It's far more of a condemnation of Marlo that he couldn't get to Omar than vice versa.
@@honkeykong4049 You mean 'the move' that canonically lead directly to Tony's death, yeah, nice example :')
TONY WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO HIRE A HIT SQUAD , AS A STREET GUY MYSELF IM NOT IMPRESSED FROM WHAT I SEEN FROM HIS MUSCLE DURING THE ENTIRE SOPRANOS SERIES 💯🤞🏿
I think a big part of the fight is whether or not we’re going with the writing of the shows and how characters definitely have their own flaws. As an example to the ending of the show where Marlo was with the lawyer at the party, it wasn’t meant for him. He only got with the Greeks in a way to cut off prop Joe and hold onto the crown. With the way the mafia is organized Marlo would have to figure out a way to be of service to Tony assuming that there’s a connection between Marlo and Tony via mutual interest in a money making opportunity. The racial divide itself might already be contentious enough, it just depends Marlo could butter of Tony to include him on a deal.
however we could also assume the New Jersey mob could come across a drug dealing opportunity where they can safely send the drugs to Baltimore. The only real reason why Marlo would interfere is if they want to cut out the middleman from whoever is delivering the product. In terms of whoever is stepping on whoever’s territory Marlo would be at a heavy disadvantage because in the short term if you can take out Tony he’ll have New York handled but the other New Jersey mobs and crews along with the New York mobs and Crews would have to get in and Marlo would then lose out over nothing. In terms of Tony going over to Baltimore he would also stick out like a sore thumb so they would probably have to get involved with a union of some sort and then use that connection from the union to push drugs if they view it as a good money making scheme. And assuming Tony sends one of his crew down to Baltimore the only person I can see him sending would be Christopher Moltisanti or Silvio Dante (possibly both) In order to get some information. However that is also assuming that Silvio Dante could get his way into the union. However we would also assume that like you said they would hire outside crews to take care of the business but I don’t see a real reason for the New Jersey mob to even run into the drug game.
While Tony has good quality management and middleman he’s also got loyal mobs and Crews that will assist in a war if he can play his cards right. Marlow overall has at least five top-notch and top quality soldiers that can do work for him (Chris In a way is good because he could probably infiltrate the New Jersey mob by the way he acts and represents himself) it would take Marla on a long time to find outside help to take down the soprano crew unless he comes across some people that can flip easily. Overall I would give it to Tony because he has the time, Marla would just need to figure out when and where would be a good time to do a hit assuming that Tony isn’t going to be as paranoid.
Overall Tony is a win in my book
This is pretty good lol
Tony Soprono would've ended like Frank Sabotka and Prop Joe fuckin with them B More dudes
I got a great idea for a Soprano video that I haven't seen yet by anyone and would love to see on your channel. I'm thinking the title would be something like "Was Tony Ever the Real/Official Boss? This would of course be more related to Junior officially being crowned the boss and even after season 1 certain people still revered Junior the real boss and viewed his ok as more important than Tony's such as Richie and Feech and then he was still requested for sit downs with New York like in that Johnny Sack and Ralph situation and during the NY war for boss. Even after Tony took over after season 1 he would cry to his capos about how they need to kick up more money so he can kick up more money to Junior for his legal fees. Did the other families in NY and certain crews in the family always see Junior as the official boss and Tony simply as underboss? Like Uncle Jun literally shot Tony in the stomach and didn't get touched for it. Somebody shooting a boss is an automatic death sentence despite Tony's wishes but a boss shooting his underboss that happens to be his nephew is whatever. Another thing to consider, for the overall title of the video, wasn't the Dimeo boss before Jackie Aprille still alive in prison?
Cmon a moulinyan vs the boss of the family?!?!
Tony would win
Marlo or even Prop Joe and Avon wouldn't step to Tony no way in hell.
@@Connect200 why. Tony ain't punking nobody in that crew like he does everybody else.
@@shakeemdiggz2354 The only one Tony would respect is Marlo. Tony would take some losses but he would come out on top.
@@thaistomp explain
Snoop and Chris would give Tony nightmares
Tony would win. Way too big of an advantage being higher on the food chain and being able to cooperate with the FBI (like the agent who tries to help him in the end, can’t remember his name).
The only wild card would be if Marlo could pull of a hit on Tony. Take the head off the snake. This is a similar question as if Marlo went after The Greek. It’s just a different beast.
Sounds like you generally agree.
Marlo doesn't run a "street gang", he runs a drug crew that revolves around him and the drug game. They have none of the characteristics of a street gang. They don't even have a name.
Tony has 5 families behind him, longer money and experience! A crew can't take on a family! Marlo would be a SNACK! Chris and snoop would turn on Marlo for a fee! $$$
@@punnymoney3692 Chris took a life bid on the chin he ain’t folding
You just said it right there drug crew a few phone calls and his whole crew is behind bars.
Tony has his organization plus 5 families and Italy solders! Longer money and experience! Marlo would be a SNACK!
No reason for Marlo to have those two guys hit Little Paulie with that Snapple bottle like that.
They didn't have to flee the scene on Meadow's bike too. That was just rude
Greatest video concept EVER!!! You are an incredible content creator. Keep up the good work.
The height of Marlo's power was at the end of the series. Allied with the friends he was making in big business and politics he could have taken on the Jersey mob. When he took over the COOP the Jersey mob could have had him killed easy. The probably would have used dirty cops to do it
Nah the Greeks always threw shade at Marlo and wasn’t respected and the jersey mob had cops and officials on the payroll too
It sounds like you are agreeing with me
Tony came at the end his thing been over
@@nattturner Some would say he was just running a glorified crew
@@solidshot6600what are people talking about cops for they aren’t paid to war with organizations they are paid to look the other when mafia does something dumb
It's no contest tony soprano. Marlo is a smalltime hood king who would be dead if stringer didn't snitch Avon out. Now if you put the Avon barksdale organization against tony soprano that would be a little more even but the sopranos got resources neither could match like dirty cops, politicians not to mention connections with the New York families. Tony is just on a level neither could could ever reach
This debate can be settled easily. Phil will tell you a couple of three things:
1. Jersey is nothing more than a glorified crew
2. Tony never had the makings of a varsity athlete
3. 20 fucking years I did!
and how about that humidity!
Mafia?!?! There a glorified crew, end of discussion
They weren’t even a real family they were not from the original 5 families in New York. Marlo would have killed families everybody.
i think marlo has the edge just because he's a cold blooded psycho with no empathy or remorse, he's willing to do whatever it takes. He's not tied down to anyone or anything. Tony has two families he has to support (his actual family and his crime family) that makes tony's life more complicated and has more vulnerabilities
Franco Begbie, all day long.. 🙏
But Tommy would beat Begbie in a proper square off
Hes a good one. If only he knew as much about Sean Connery as Sick Boy, he would've been unstoppable. Thanks for watching!
@@bullywhispers9544 Hahah!! 😂
I think Marlo could actually win.
We saw Tony's crew getting tired of him during his brief war with New York. And no lower level guys even got hit. If Chris and Snoop were picking off lower level guys like Benny or Little Paulie, it wouldn't take long for the Carlos' and Patsy's to decide they wanted no part of the war and turn on Tony. These are all middle-aged out-of-shape family men who want no part of the streets. You think they're going to go down to a block with a whole street crew standing there strapped to the tits, and start shooting? And no mercenaries Tony could hire would penetrate the Stanfield crew's defences in wartime.
The Mafia also has rules they have to follow. No families. Marlo wouldn't think twice about sending Chris and Snoop to pay Carmella or AJ a little visit, and they wouldn't hesitate about killing women or children.
Also, Marlo has child soldiers who we have seen are well-trained at spotting enemies and following them. The Jersey Mob would not be prepared at all for such an attack. We saw what happened when Bobby went too far deep into the hood. He ended up crying and begging to a pack of pre-teens with guns.
Jersey's muscle relies on unsuspecting middle-class victims. They are equipped or prepared for war. On the other hand, we've seen Chris use highly effective military tactics in his search for Omar. And he regularly trains his soldiers in various different scenarios.
If bodies started hitting the ground, I think the Soprano family would crumble or turn on each other faster than your'e giving them credit for.
But that's just my opinion. :D
I agree with the odds probably being in Tony’s favor, I don’t think Marlo would actually face that much retaliation if he were to take Tony out early on. For one, his crew would have to know it was him which isn’t really guaranteed though that would depend on how these two got into contact to begin with. If it was known that the two were doing business then maybe, but I don’t see why Tony himself would ever be dealing with Marlo because he’s too high up, too racist, and has said he stays out of the drug game on multiple occasions. If the two crews were doing business its likely that someone lower level would act as the liaison between the two, probably Christopher. Despite all that, let’s assume Marlo wants Tony dead for some reason and sends Chris and Snoop up to Jersey and they get the job done. They would need to find the body, which given their usual M.O. might not even happen, thus leaving it more open as to who’s responsible for Tony disappearing. Even if they did find it and figure out it was Marlo, the Jersey crew might send some guys down but I’m not sure they’d be able to get to Marlo as easily and I sincerely doubt New York would get involved. Tony’s relationship with Johnny Sack was tenuous at best, I doubt Carmine would lose any sleep over it, and Phil would probably be glad it happened. If Tony gets killed early on there isn’t a whole lot Jersey could do about it or even would do about it cause if it’s during season 3 or 4 like you said you’d have people like Ralphie or maybe Junior gunning for the top spot and their attention would be on that instead. All that being said though, I think getting Tony early on is the only way Marlo really wins. If Tony wants to strike first the mafia has a lot more ways to put the squeeze on Stanfield than the other way around. I wouldn’t put it past him to create a little dysentery among the ranks and going to the remaining members of the Co-Op, or even the Greeks to try to isolate Marlo. If Tony survives the attack it’s gonna be war, and having seen The Wire at that point Marlo’s biggest problem won’t be Tony, but rather the noise a war between him and the mob would generate which would very quickly get to the cops. The Stanfield Crew didn’t have the meticulousness that the Barksdales had and even they ended up getting caught up. Marlo only made it as long as he did cause they didn’t think he was dropping bodies like that. You start a war with the mob you’re not only putting your own guys and income at risk, but the cops, and since the mafia is involved, probably the feds would be on them both. It would be more profitable for both of them to avoid war and I think both sides would know that. It would all really come down to who hit first, and I think that 9 times out of 10 it would be Marlo. Though the longer the war goes on, the worse it gets for both sides as they both start to lose guys, money, or they start getting investigated.
I would remove the idea of squeezing the coop to cause descent. They were all pissed at Marlo for killing Prop Joe and taking over the coop but they all stayed because the alternative was war with the Stanfields and finding a new supplier with a likely inferior product. Unless Tony could get them a steady stream of good product, and extra muscle until things cool off, that's not a real option.
This is like asking who would win between Marlo and the Greek
Marlo loses just for the fact he only runs one section, or a quarter section of Baltimore, which only has about 200,000-300,000 residents. Where as Tony runs North Jersey which is connected, not only to NYC but to Philly as well… good luck Marlo!
lol true. Marlo is a savage though.
More videos like this please , very interesting. Do something like Ghost from power , against Tony
I think Marlo would gain ground in a battle but ultimately Tony would win the war. I don’t think The Greek wouldn’t be too keen about another supply being introduced to Baltimore. Tony would probably have another war on their hands!
Very interesting topic - liked and subscribed
Tony is better positioned to interrupt Marlo's cash flow than Marlo has to interrupt Tony's.
Wow am speechless,this is just brilliant analysis 😄👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
The average age of a mafia soldier shows just how effective and disciplined the mafia is compared to a clusterfuck of a street gang
@Aaron Sanders First off, street gangs have no real legitimate infrastructure. Second, the cartel operates in a failed narco state. I’m not sure how well the cartel could be as powerful if it conducted its internal operations on this side of the border. As far as sophistication, political power and overall effectiveness as organization, the mafia set the standard.
Breaking bad, would be a good example. As far as fiction goes, it took a fucking genius like Gus, decades to run a relatively small operation on this side of the border.
@Aaron Sanders No…… The dept of justice did.
@Aaron Sanders So extortion is the only way the mob can make money? Didn’t the FBI bust A family about 10 years ago?
@Aaron Sanders So the mafia is all but gone now? Loan sharking, gambling, prostitution, wire fraud all killed by capitalism or the DOJ?
I like this VS stuff you gotta come out with more
Do Nucky Thompson Vs Tony Soprano
Thanks for making this, great vid. I'd only argue that the Sopranos org is so public with their homes and hangouts and partying, so known and that Tony, his kids and family and crews families are also pretty public in their lives. The fictional Mafia has rules about family , which would mean nothing to Marlo.
As far as a first strike situation Marlo could send Chris and Snoop to Ton'y house one night, or get at AJ or Meadow at school, Carmella out to lunch with Ro, Janis, Livia, Junior on house arrest with Bobby......etc. Alot of their key people are out in the open and all have predictable hangouts where they frequently congregate.
But Marlo is basically just a name. We never see his home or family and only an aunt is ever mentioned. We know next to nothing about him really. Sopranos being a character profile gives us alot of access and insight into the Sopranos. Marlo on the Wire is less of a character study as it is a polemic.
As for the potential blow back by the "real" Mafia......well...that's absolutely true...but that also depends on who is Boss at that time. Carmine Sr would be his best bet as carmine was a pragmatist and traditionalist....but even he held the Sopranos in contempt. being wacked or even challenged effectively by Marlo might make Tony lose face.
Depending on when and Johnny sack or good lord..Phil....and tough luck on that.
Lastly i'd argue that the quality of Ton;y people in an actual war is largely untested. They mostly just sucker punch regular folks. Chris and Snoop are relentless killers and Chris clearly has some sort of formal training.
That being said, i totally agree on the long game belonging to Tony.
Tony has 5 families behind him, longer money and experience! A crew can't take on a family! Marlo would be a SNACK! Chris and snoop a turn on Marlo for a fee!
@@punnymoney3692
Tony does NOT have 5 families "behind him". According to them Tony is running a glorified crew himself. This is echoed by Carmine Sr and later Phil in separate conversations.
Money, sure in the long term, Experience? Tony never fought in a gang war....and when he did ...his crew was quickly put on their heels.
Once Johnny or Phil was in charge....it would be Tony who would also have to worry about being turned on for a fee.
Chris took a life sentence for Marlo as the OP mentioned. Tony on the other hand had backstabbers like Ralph, Paulie, Richie, Livia, Junior......even Vito was looking to make a move up. Or worse still he had screw ups like Christopher.
Meanwhile you had tons of rats and informants with the FBI... from Big Pussy to Jimmy Altieri, Eugene Pontecorvo, Raymond Curto to Carlo Gervasi. Keep in mind most of these guys were Captains.
Other than Silvio, his entire organization were backstabbers and rats.
Who in that crew was going to do life for Tony?
Tony meanwhile walks outside his house everyday to pick up his newspaper. Zero security most of them time.
@@bradwatkins7564 no thats only said by carmine and phil. Tony is a made man and is in the mob theres no glorified crew about it. The mob will come for them if that ever happened thats why it never happens.
@@bradwatkins7564 you must didnt watch the sopranos or no how the mob works even if you dont want to do something you have to or youre dead you took an oath. Theres no discussion about tony tells someone to do something they do it.
@@johnnyoldenjr. Carmine and Phil were both bosses of the only New York family we see in the show and more importantly made those comments unconnected to each other as when Carmine said that Phil was in the can.
It speaks to a larger perception of them as less than,
Carmine did business with them but kept them at arms length even giving tony the line of a "boss does not wear shorts".
John was working Paulie and Ralphie behind Tony's back.
Phil went to war and decimated them in a very short period of time.
Marlo never had the makings of a varsity golfer or poker player. And Paulie and Chris would kill would kill Snoop and Chris hilariously.
Tony could play on Marlo’s need to defend his name in ways that would get Marlo trapped. Now Prop Joe on the other hand……