This gun brought back liberty and freedom to me because when I was young I got caught with drugs but have served my time and since changed but a felony on my record hasn’t I have a smokeless powder recipe where I get about the same ballistics affect as a 40 caliber and it hasn’t blown up on me in Pennsylvania as long as you open carry it this is legal for me to own
I hope you've verified this with a local gun lawyer -- my understanding is that while you may be legal to own the gun due to its "antique" status, you may be prohibited from purchasing or possessing either powder or caps, or (separately) from carrying the loaded gun outside your home. And a "firearm related" felony (felon in possession) is harder time, in most locations, than a similar crime without the firearm connection because of "add-on" laws. Many states do allow for "restoration of rights" that would improve your legal situation (though it varies wildly how much). Note, I'm not in the legal profession in any capacity and have never spent any significant time in Pennsylvania, this is just the way I've understood what I've read.
@@SilntObsvr I hired an attorney here in Texas and it is perfectly legal to carry black powder revolver replicas here open or concealed. It does not matter if you have a felony or not. He also stated that these are federally legal in all 50 states, but the laws do vary state to state so everyone be very careful and hire an attorney as he stated. Definitely not worth the risk until you have the paperwork.
I keep going back and forth as to which snubbies I like best - this or the Colts. I think the Colts look better, but I am just partial to the Remington design. Decisions, decisions!
Taylors and Co are selling the Ace with the cap and ball cylinder and a .45 cartridge cylinder. I wonder if the black powder version alone is cheaper and where it can be found.
That's a lot more smoke than I'm accustomed to from 25 grains. I'm guessing that it has something to do with less efficient burning of the powder. Would you agree?
Very good possibility. One of these days I may test that theory and bring out revolvers with different barrel lengths and video each one to see if there is a noticeable difference in the volume of smoke between the longer barrels and the shorter ones.
Thank you! Yeah, I don't know if it was the weather conditions, the lighting or what, but that thing put out a lot of smoke! I didn't really notice it that much when shooting it, though.
Thanks for the video. They should try fitting it with some kind of stub loading lever with an extension bar you could attach to it so you could load the gun in the usual way. I've never seen this but I'd say it could be done.
I've seen a couple people modify a Colt Walker with a cut down barrel and use a removable lever to load it without disassembling the gun. Probably not practical to do a similar setup with a Remington due to the way the base pin is needed to be held in place. I'm not sure if there would be enough room for a secure latching mechanism for a loading lever on this, but I think if there were maybe one more inch of barrel it could be done. Just one more inch of barrel would still make this a very short revolver overall, and still allow the possibility of mounting a lever.
Yes, yes I do love it! The best experience is shooting blackpowder on a humid day with no wind. The smoke will just hang in the air for hours, it seems.
Can you swap out cylenders easily like the full sized 44cal new army? I can swap a pre loaded cylender in it just a tad slower than i can reload a standard pistol magazine. This looks super cool. The size is nice to. I want something small but at least 44cal. I was looking at the gladiator modern doublr barrel over under 50 or 45 cal bp muzzle loader but its only sold in czech republic rn which sucks. I cant find anything of a similar size and caliber sadly. I would really like to get a 44, 45, or 50cal over under or side by derringer thats about 1.5-2in shorter than the ace revolver shown on thr video here. These types of revolvers are neat but man i would never ever want to carry it around especially with loaded cylenders and i want something for when i encounter mountain lions, coyotes, wolfs ect in the forest when i hike and or also as a standard edc self defense setup. The derringers protect the cap better and isnt going to blow up from a accidental chain fiee which is waaaay harder to have happen compared to a revolver systems chances of chain firing. The diablo 12ga side by side bp muzzle loader pistol is nice but its to big like 11 in with 9in barrel. If the barrel could go down to like a 3.5-4in long barrel reducing it from 11in long to 6.5-7in long. It can easily take a 100-120 grain load, shir a 70grain load is slinging a 1oz slug like it weighs nothing so in a shorter barrel with a 100+grain powder load would probably be even stronfer than the 70grain load in a full sized barrel. Its near cus like pcp airguns have led cast slugs in all calibers including in 72cal aka 12ga so i dont have to shoot shitty round balls i can shoot slugs hollow points or solid in weights from 350-900grains. I would think you could easily make barrel inserts for it to, ide like to see what a 90-110grain powder load does with a 155grain .308 slug. Its gana thump up real good. Why doesent anyone make a gun where it uses removable barrel assemblies? Like have a over undr or side by side pistol with the barrels being their owb cartridges. Meaning you can load the barrels with powder shot and cap it off at the backside then just throw it into the derringer or side by side pistol like some extra long shotgun shells i mean if a barrel is only 3.5-4in long thats only a 3.5-4in long cartrdige. Not bad if i do say so imo. It would be legal since it would technically be the same thing as revolvers cylenders that swap out quickly like the new army does. The barrel/cartrdige system would bassically be counted as a single chamber revolver cylender. Its black powder still, its only muzzle load still, and still uses percussion caps meeting all the rules required to not have it be considered a firearm. Imagine how much nicer it would be to have something like that, instead of taking hella long pouring in powder a slug then a wad ajd then placing fineky caps on and finally after a multi min reload being able to finally shoot again. With a barrel system likr stated you could swap out for a fresh load as fast as you can swap out empty 12ga shells from a double barrel shotgun.
The cylinders on these are very easy to swap out. You could very easily keep a pre-loaded cylinder handy and exchange it with the empty one in the revolver fairly quickly. I think these are pretty safe to carry loaded. There are notches at the rear of the cylinder, between the chambers, that you can lower the hammer into that prevent the hammer from reaching the caps and the cylinder from rotating. But the safest way to carry one of these is to just keep the hammer down on an empty chamber. You are of course down to only five shots this way, but it is a perfectly safe way to carry one of these, if you were so inclined. Interesting idea you have there with the swap barrel firearm. Anything is possible, if you throw enough money at it, but I don't know if any manufacturer would take on such a project. It would be something to see, though.
@@tango-bravo I would love to see something like this in a smaller framed .36 caliber. Unfortunately, Pietta uses the same sized frame in all of their .44 and .36 caliber Remington revolvers, so even if they made it in .36 caliber, it would still physically have the same size and dimensions as this .44 caliber.
Nice review. I just purchase one. I was wondering if you would know if parts can be purchased for the Ace? I'm interested in the cylinder pin retainer, which is the spring loaded piece that replaced the loading lever to retain the cylinder pin?
@@johnzx6r Thanks for the response. Blackpowderpapa says in his vid "black powder EDC weapons for Texas felons" it fits a "J" frame, however down the comments he says "K" frame. I have responded for clarification. Hopefully he will clarify.
@@gls3894 A "K" frame would make more sense. I don't have a K frame, but I do have a few J's and the holsters to go with them, and there is no way the ACE will fit in a J frame holster.
I think the biggest reason they are not around right now is that Pietta makes their revolvers in "batches", for lack of a better word. Looks like right now they are pushing several models of Colt style revolvers out the door, but as you said I haven't seen ANY Remington style from them for a while now. I'm sure it won't be long now where they crank up production of the Remington revolvers again, and hopefully we'll start seeing them on the shelves again.
I bought the walnut grips version on April 1st 2022 and it's on the way. In my opinion I think the Ace would be better with drop in conversion cylinder for for best results. I will try 1 I bought for 1858 Remington sheriffs model and see how smooth it drops in. I would have liked to have a birds head grip but it still looks great
@@WilliamHorsley1962 I have another video here th-cam.com/video/1SZFoi0GrIQ/w-d-xo.html where I shoot this with a conversion cylinder. So far, I have gotten better accuracy and it hits closer to point of aim with the conversion than it did with the percussion cylinder.
Cut down the 1858 5 1/2 inch Sheriff's model to say 4 inches and leave the shorten load lever with slickshot handle on hand to load in the field or buy extra cylinders and carry with pale Rider 3 cylinder holder on belt
And all these young bucks bitch about gas in the face shootin a suppressed ar 🤣 talk about a smoke show, good stuff bud, very good lookin little rig and some fine shootin sir. God bless from ole Carolina.
Taylors says this is being Discontinued, So if you want one you better move now! Must have never caught on, looks like a chop job somebody did in their garage anyway. Very few mentions on google about it and just 1 channel on YT - This One. Since nobody else is making videos of this gun they are ether ashamed of it or it must really suck. You know kind of like a "High Point".
Well, that's interesting news. I'm sure it isn't one of their top sellers, but I'd imagine they sell enough of them. The gun certainly isn't junk. In fact, mine has been my most reliable percussion revolver I have used. Accuracy with round ball has been a bit lack-luster, but I have been getting fantastic accuracy with conversion cylinders, in both .45 Colt and .45 ACP. So I wouldn't go by a lack of videos on it to measure it's Suckiness - I mean, there are thousands of videos on High Points out there, and High Points truly suck!
@@johnzx6r Excellent point, really glad you like yours and the 1858 is a good model platform. Think I'll bypass this until I can see more results about it, lack of material concerns me. The 1860 Army Snub Nose catches my eye, it's a very nice piece! cheers
I agree that the Colt style snubbies both look better and feel better in the hands. But this ACE has been more reliable for me so far than the Colts I have, and with a conversion cylinder, the ACE has far more accuracy than what I can get out of the Colts with the conversion cylinders.
@@willbart1236 Why they didn't put a rounded backstrap on it, I'll never understand. Pietta did offer for a while a model with a rounded backstrap (a 5.5" Sheriff), so they are certainly capable of doing it, and it would have been perfect for the ACE. But for some reason, they chose not to.
Why not? I already have plenty of other revolvers that are "historically accurate" reproductions, so I wanted to highlight something that is a bit different and might be interesting to some.
Because it looks really nice. The only thing that's off is the price. $415 out the door is a little over the top tho I opened that door and I hope it's worth the money
I'm already sold. The fact that you can swap cylinders like that, quicker than a 1860 is awesome.
Just one of the advantages the Remington has over the Colt style revolvers!
This gun brought back liberty and freedom to me because when I was young I got caught with drugs but have served my time and since changed but a felony on my record hasn’t I have a smokeless powder recipe where I get about the same ballistics affect as a 40 caliber and it hasn’t blown up on me in Pennsylvania as long as you open carry it this is legal for me to own
While one of these certainly wouldn't be my first choice for personal protection, if it is all you can get it sure beats a sharp stick!
I hope you've verified this with a local gun lawyer -- my understanding is that while you may be legal to own the gun due to its "antique" status, you may be prohibited from purchasing or possessing either powder or caps, or (separately) from carrying the loaded gun outside your home. And a "firearm related" felony (felon in possession) is harder time, in most locations, than a similar crime without the firearm connection because of "add-on" laws. Many states do allow for "restoration of rights" that would improve your legal situation (though it varies wildly how much).
Note, I'm not in the legal profession in any capacity and have never spent any significant time in Pennsylvania, this is just the way I've understood what I've read.
@@SilntObsvr I hired an attorney here in Texas and it is perfectly legal to carry black powder revolver replicas here open or concealed. It does not matter if you have a felony or not. He also stated that these are federally legal in all 50 states, but the laws do vary state to state so everyone be very careful and hire an attorney as he stated. Definitely not worth the risk until you have the paperwork.
Definitely not legal for a felon to possess any kind of firearm including smokeless or black powder muzzleloaders etc
@@kevincowan4887 It's legal in Texas. What state are you in?
One of the most beautiful black powder revolver out there. Love the compact size
It's funny how polarizing this pistol is. I seem to get just as many comments on how ugly some people think it is!
Mans hotboxing the range 😂
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The only Remington I was ever interested in was the pocket model but one of these could win me over, after I get the Colt versions, of course!
I keep going back and forth as to which snubbies I like best - this or the Colts. I think the Colts look better, but I am just partial to the Remington design. Decisions, decisions!
Taylors and Co are selling the Ace with the cap and ball cylinder and a .45 cartridge cylinder. I wonder if the black powder version alone is cheaper and where it can be found.
I just checked today, and it looks like Taylor's has just the regular percussion model in stock now.
That's a lot more smoke than I'm accustomed to from 25 grains. I'm guessing that it has something to do with less efficient burning of the powder. Would you agree?
Very good possibility. One of these days I may test that theory and bring out revolvers with different barrel lengths and video each one to see if there is a noticeable difference in the volume of smoke between the longer barrels and the shorter ones.
Excellent video. That thing sure puts out the black powder smoke.
Thank you! Yeah, I don't know if it was the weather conditions, the lighting or what, but that thing put out a lot of smoke! I didn't really notice it that much when shooting it, though.
Très chouette,vivement qu’on le trouve en France!
Ca "rate" moins qu'un colt , pas une amorce coincée..
tu peut le trouver en France chez Western guns
Thanks for the video. They should try fitting it with some kind of stub loading lever with an extension bar you could attach to it so you could load the gun in the usual way. I've never seen this but I'd say it could be done.
I've seen a couple people modify a Colt Walker with a cut down barrel and use a removable lever to load it without disassembling the gun. Probably not practical to do a similar setup with a Remington due to the way the base pin is needed to be held in place. I'm not sure if there would be enough room for a secure latching mechanism for a loading lever on this, but I think if there were maybe one more inch of barrel it could be done. Just one more inch of barrel would still make this a very short revolver overall, and still allow the possibility of mounting a lever.
I saw a wider angle view of this video. The target was a polecat that was laughing because johnzx6r kept missing.
Well you know what P.T. Barnum said!
Great vid John always like your stuff
Thank you!
Damn that's a lot of smoke! Don't you love it!!!
Yes, yes I do love it! The best experience is shooting blackpowder on a humid day with no wind. The smoke will just hang in the air for hours, it seems.
I wonder about the aiming, and the distance to the target, ect.
I laughed too hard at this but yes that would have been better.
Can you swap out cylenders easily like the full sized 44cal new army? I can swap a pre loaded cylender in it just a tad slower than i can reload a standard pistol magazine.
This looks super cool. The size is nice to. I want something small but at least 44cal. I was looking at the gladiator modern doublr barrel over under 50 or 45 cal bp muzzle loader but its only sold in czech republic rn which sucks. I cant find anything of a similar size and caliber sadly. I would really like to get a 44, 45, or 50cal over under or side by derringer thats about 1.5-2in shorter than the ace revolver shown on thr video here.
These types of revolvers are neat but man i would never ever want to carry it around especially with loaded cylenders and i want something for when i encounter mountain lions, coyotes, wolfs ect in the forest when i hike and or also as a standard edc self defense setup. The derringers protect the cap better and isnt going to blow up from a accidental chain fiee which is waaaay harder to have happen compared to a revolver systems chances of chain firing.
The diablo 12ga side by side bp muzzle loader pistol is nice but its to big like 11 in with 9in barrel. If the barrel could go down to like a 3.5-4in long barrel reducing it from 11in long to 6.5-7in long. It can easily take a 100-120 grain load, shir a 70grain load is slinging a 1oz slug like it weighs nothing so in a shorter barrel with a 100+grain powder load would probably be even stronfer than the 70grain load in a full sized barrel. Its near cus like pcp airguns have led cast slugs in all calibers including in 72cal aka 12ga so i dont have to shoot shitty round balls i can shoot slugs hollow points or solid in weights from 350-900grains. I would think you could easily make barrel inserts for it to, ide like to see what a 90-110grain powder load does with a 155grain .308 slug. Its gana thump up real good.
Why doesent anyone make a gun where it uses removable barrel assemblies? Like have a over undr or side by side pistol with the barrels being their owb cartridges. Meaning you can load the barrels with powder shot and cap it off at the backside then just throw it into the derringer or side by side pistol like some extra long shotgun shells i mean if a barrel is only 3.5-4in long thats only a 3.5-4in long cartrdige. Not bad if i do say so imo. It would be legal since it would technically be the same thing as revolvers cylenders that swap out quickly like the new army does. The barrel/cartrdige system would bassically be counted as a single chamber revolver cylender. Its black powder still, its only muzzle load still, and still uses percussion caps meeting all the rules required to not have it be considered a firearm. Imagine how much nicer it would be to have something like that, instead of taking hella long pouring in powder a slug then a wad ajd then placing fineky caps on and finally after a multi min reload being able to finally shoot again. With a barrel system likr stated you could swap out for a fresh load as fast as you can swap out empty 12ga shells from a double barrel shotgun.
The cylinders on these are very easy to swap out. You could very easily keep a pre-loaded cylinder handy and exchange it with the empty one in the revolver fairly quickly.
I think these are pretty safe to carry loaded. There are notches at the rear of the cylinder, between the chambers, that you can lower the hammer into that prevent the hammer from reaching the caps and the cylinder from rotating. But the safest way to carry one of these is to just keep the hammer down on an empty chamber. You are of course down to only five shots this way, but it is a perfectly safe way to carry one of these, if you were so inclined.
Interesting idea you have there with the swap barrel firearm. Anything is possible, if you throw enough money at it, but I don't know if any manufacturer would take on such a project. It would be something to see, though.
Need a conversion. Thanks for the video.
Do they make this in .38 cal?
Unfortunately no they don't.
@@johnzx6rthe .44 seems to big for such a short barrel - I think the idea is great but the frame and caliber are too big in my opinion.
@@tango-bravo I would love to see something like this in a smaller framed .36 caliber. Unfortunately, Pietta uses the same sized frame in all of their .44 and .36 caliber Remington revolvers, so even if they made it in .36 caliber, it would still physically have the same size and dimensions as this .44 caliber.
@@johnzx6rif it’s the same size frame, couldn’t a Pietta Ace in .44 be rebuilt with a cut down Pietta .36 barrel and a .36 cylinder ?? 🤷🏼♂️
@@100videos4you I see no reason why you couldn't get a .36 and chop the barrel down.
Wonder if it can hit the broadside of a barn?
From inside the barn, maybe.
Love the smoke!
Thanks - me too!
Nice review. I just purchase one. I was wondering if you would know if parts can be purchased for the Ace? I'm interested in the cylinder pin retainer, which is the spring loaded piece that replaced the loading lever to retain the cylinder pin?
I believe you can get any spare parts you might need for this from Taylor's Firearms.
do we know if the cylinders are interchangeable compared to the regular sherif or 8in barrel 1858"s
Yes, completely interchangeable with any Pietta 1858 model revolver.
Thanks for the vid. I just purchased this Ace. What size holster fits it. One vid says J frame holsters fit. Which size holster do you use?
I do not have a holster for it, yet. This is too big for a J frame holster. You would probably need a K or N frame holster to fit this.
@@johnzx6r Thanks for the response. Blackpowderpapa says in his vid "black powder EDC weapons for Texas felons" it fits a "J" frame, however down the comments he says "K" frame. I have responded for clarification. Hopefully he will clarify.
@@gls3894 A "K" frame would make more sense. I don't have a K frame, but I do have a few J's and the holsters to go with them, and there is no way the ACE will fit in a J frame holster.
@@johnzx6r I concur Sir. Thank you I have not received my Ace but at 8.5" I was fairly certain it wasnt going to fit a J
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John, where do you get those powder containers for loading?
Amazon. They are called 2mL Plastic Vial Tubes. They are not very expensive, and this size will hold about 40-45 grains of 3F black powder easily.
Why is this gun so hard to find online? I've been searching for over a month
I think the biggest reason they are not around right now is that Pietta makes their revolvers in "batches", for lack of a better word. Looks like right now they are pushing several models of Colt style revolvers out the door, but as you said I haven't seen ANY Remington style from them for a while now.
I'm sure it won't be long now where they crank up production of the Remington revolvers again, and hopefully we'll start seeing them on the shelves again.
I bought the walnut grips version on April 1st 2022 and it's on the way. In my opinion I think the Ace would be better with drop in conversion cylinder for for best results. I will try 1 I bought for 1858 Remington sheriffs model and see how smooth it drops in. I would have liked to have a birds head grip but it still looks great
@@WilliamHorsley1962 I have another video here th-cam.com/video/1SZFoi0GrIQ/w-d-xo.html where I shoot this with a conversion cylinder. So far, I have gotten better accuracy and it hits closer to point of aim with the conversion than it did with the percussion cylinder.
Very nice video. Great black powder gun. 👍👍❤️
Thank you!
U Need A .45 Colt Conversion Kit For This, For Faster Reloads...
any 1858 45lcolt OR acp conversion cylinder will fit this gun.. barrel length no matter
Where do you get those nifty little plastic dispensers? Tom
Amazon www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01COQO47M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Awesome man
Boy am I jealous. I can't get one of the three anywhere for any price....
You could try the company called Jedediah Starr. Right now they are showing a few of each style in stock.
They got em at www.gunbroker.com under layaway available but you can buy it now
@@johnzx6r I have been there LoL web site not updated 🤣
@@adameve8026 Ah - too bad!
They're in now, I just bought the checkered one myself
I want this with a longer barrel
Cut down the 1858 5 1/2 inch Sheriff's model to say 4 inches and leave the shorten load lever with slickshot handle on hand to load in the field or buy extra cylinders and carry with pale Rider 3 cylinder holder on belt
to bad they did not half flute the cylinder and use bird head grips
I'm hoping they might offer a couple more models, maybe offering something along the lines of what you suggested, but I won't hold my breath.
Ok.
And all these young bucks bitch about gas in the face shootin a suppressed ar 🤣 talk about a smoke show, good stuff bud, very good lookin little rig and some fine shootin sir. God bless from ole Carolina.
Thank you, sir. Yeah, these things spit all sorts of stuff in every direction!
@@johnzx6r no doubt but it gives you a real since of how far we've come.
You'd better use that on a windy day!
Yeah for some reason it was particularly Smokey that day!
Let’s do accuracy and FPS
Okay! th-cam.com/video/z_QyrtmIE48/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/Q2-Ss6-5ENk/w-d-xo.html
@@johnzx6r oops, guess I watched these outta order 😅 cheers 🍻
@@txdocprich_8404 Ha! no worries!
@Wild Tex That's the plan - video coming soon!
First!
For the algorithm, since the first upload was 👊🏻
Ha Ha! Congrats on being the first commenter!
Bro had that Confederate anthem playing 💀
I can't find anyyyy... wtf... out of stock.
Yeah, the initial run sold out quickly, and who knows when another batch will become available.
I just bought mine with white handle, $355....$385 out the door of Midway
ഭയങ്കര പൊക ആണല്ലോ..🤩👍
Taylors says this is being Discontinued, So if you want one you better move now!
Must have never caught on, looks like a chop job somebody did in their garage anyway.
Very few mentions on google about it and just 1 channel on YT - This One. Since nobody else is making videos of this gun they are ether ashamed of it or it must really suck. You know kind of like a "High Point".
Well, that's interesting news. I'm sure it isn't one of their top sellers, but I'd imagine they sell enough of them.
The gun certainly isn't junk. In fact, mine has been my most reliable percussion revolver I have used. Accuracy with round ball has been a bit lack-luster, but I have been getting fantastic accuracy with conversion cylinders, in both .45 Colt and .45 ACP.
So I wouldn't go by a lack of videos on it to measure it's Suckiness - I mean, there are thousands of videos on High Points out there, and High Points truly suck!
@@johnzx6r Excellent point, really glad you like yours and the 1858 is a good model platform. Think I'll bypass this until I can see more results about it, lack of material concerns me. The 1860 Army Snub Nose catches my eye, it's a very nice piece! cheers
You should of used the good the bad and the ugly theme song . Since you know all about ugly. Just joking. Im the kettle
In my opinion, those are ugly. They don’t look proportional. The navy snubnose is way better looking.
I agree that the Colt style snubbies both look better and feel better in the hands. But this ACE has been more reliable for me so far than the Colts I have, and with a conversion cylinder, the ACE has far more accuracy than what I can get out of the Colts with the conversion cylinders.
I hate to say it, but after watching more videos of this gun, I have taken a liking to it. Lol.
That gun would look pretty cool with a birdshead grip.
@@willbart1236 Why they didn't put a rounded backstrap on it, I'll never understand. Pietta did offer for a while a model with a rounded backstrap (a 5.5" Sheriff), so they are certainly capable of doing it, and it would have been perfect for the ACE. But for some reason, they chose not to.
@@willbart1236 Not on YT you haven't, point to another would love to see it.
Very ugly and useless for target shooting. Moreover, this is in no way a replica.
Why would you want a gun that never existed historically
Why not? I already have plenty of other revolvers that are "historically accurate" reproductions, so I wanted to highlight something that is a bit different and might be interesting to some.
Because it looks really nice. The only thing that's off is the price. $415 out the door is a little over the top tho I opened that door and I hope it's worth the money
@@WilliamHorsley1962 I just bought mine with white handle, $355....$385 out the door of Midway
@@gls3894 Well you know what P.T. Barnum said!
I’d rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6