Absolutely love this! I fell in love with this piece about 10 years ago, I saw a picture of it somewhere and it was love at first sight. Ended up trying to figure out what the heck it was for several months before an 1875 model happened to show up while watching Top Shot, and I knew I had gotten close. Dug a bit more and found out the picture I saw was the 1858, and have been crazy about it since. Definitely on my bucket list to get one and a few cartridges to go with
Sehr schöner Revolver, der mit Patronen Munition oder wie es davor war mit Perkussions-Zündhütchen und Schwarzpulver geladen und geschossen werden kann, daß hier gezeigte Holster mit den Fächern für die Trommeln sieht sehr interessant aus,ist bestimmt sehr Schwer.
Wow there's quite a bit of hate in this comment section. I have been a Colt replica fan for years. I just purchased my first rimington last year and loved the fact that I could switch out my cylinders at the range. So far I've stuck with the black powder rounds as in Texas I do not need a permit to carry. I've never had a problem with my gun firing after sitting for several months. It is always been a concern of mine so maybe I should purchase a conversion cylinder for the house. Either way just wanted to tell you it was a very informative video and you did a great job. Thank you for sharing your knowledge of the replicas along with a very cool belt.
When you say, "I've never had a problem with my gun firing after sitting for several months.", did you mean that you left it loaded with black powder and ammo, and could shoot what's already in it several months later?
@@huyked The ones I keep in my home for home defense I fire once a year. The one I carry on my person everyday which is an 1858 Remington Ace I fire every single month. The Remington 1858 sheriff's model I keep in my truck. I fire every 6 months. I have never had a misfire utilizing this practice. Humidity is very high here in Texas so you can safely keep your black powder for that long in most other states unless you're talking about Florida or California. If you're carrying it on your body, it's definitely going to get the most moisture available, so that's the one I would practice with and reload consistently each month. Everything else you can play it by ear but 6 months to a year depending on where it is is good practice.
@@huyked Paul Harrel did a video: Personal Protection: Cap and Ball Revolvers where he tried a BP revolver that he kept loaded for THREE YEARS and it had no misfires.
I live in Ilion, New York. The Remington factory, despite its recent troubles, is still here a half mile away from me. I've always wondered about the differences with Clint's "Pale Rider" 1858 Remington conversion. Thanks for doing this video!
I got a Uberti Colt Walker 1847 44 Cal recently at a gun show. It came with a brown Triple K holster, Howell 45 Colt conversion cylinder and a powder flask. Built in 2001, it is very tight and the blueing actually has a blue tint to it. This might be the charcoal finish from Uberti. I don't believe it has ever been fired. The bad news is the Howell conversion cylinder is a bit loose. Howell says Uberti Walkers made before 2002 might need to be fitted. Like sleeving the bore or something? Kind of the reason I got it. The cylinder is larger and so takes 6 rounds and has plenty of steel between the cylinders. I just got a brown Triple K belt to match... the Josey Wales collection.
The 45 Colt was never officially called the "Long Colt" but there were shorter versions of the 45 round that could be fired in a Colt 45, so people started referring to the original as the "Long Colt". Winchester made a shorter version of the round.
You are absolutely correct in stating that the proper cartridge name is "45 Colt". The "Long Colt" and "Short Colt" verbal designation began around 1877, when U.S. Government Arsenals ceased loading the .45 Colt, and began loading the ".45 Government" round. The .45 Government was basically a .45 S&W Schofield with rim diameter reduced to the same as 45 Colt. The reason for the 45 Government is because the U.S. Ordnance Dept had started loading the 45 Colt down in power, to about 30 grains Rifle (similar to GOEX FFFg) under a 255 gr bullet, instead of the original loading of 40 grains rifle powder under a 255 gr bullet, because the very powerful 40 grain 1000+ fps load was difficult to train new recruits to effectively fire. U.S. Ordnance loaded the 45 Government with a custom blend of FFg and FFFg, carefully formulated to push the 230 gr bullet at 800 fps. The U.S. Ordnance Dept in 1910, requested that John Browning modify the ballistics of the 45 ACP to exactly duplicate the 45 Government ballistics. [John Browning's original load for the 45 ACP was a 200 grain bullet at 900 fps].
FYI, if all you have is a cartridge revolver, you can still load the 45LC cases with the same powder and .454 ball as the cap and ball versions use. Just a large rifle primer instead of a cap. You will want a wad over the powder. then crimp the ball in place.
I got a pietta 1858 Remington with the conversion cylinders and I got more conversions for the Remington so now I can shoot .22, 9mm ,45s 44s, and black powder all out of one gun.
At the time there was 45 Colt, and 45 Schofield which was noticeably shorter in overall length. The Schofield would fit in the Colt and Remington as well as the Smith &Wesson that it was designed for. However the Colt cartridge would not fit in the S&W as it was too long. That appears to be the source of the commonly used name of "LONG COLT".
@@denisdegamon8224 Smith and Wesson might have had a problem with that. But then again I am judging from today's point of view; you could very well be correct.
Yes, you are correct. When Colt brought the SAA back after WW2 they realized million of men referred to the 45 ACP as the 45 Colt because of the war, Hence the retronym, 45 Long Colt. You will not find the term "45 Long Colt" prior to the 1950s. It is a twentieth century phrase.
Yeah it's nice I have a converted 1860 army snubnose also have a 1858 navy in .36 cal that I want to convert,this setup would be about 3 grand with everything there,.45 Colt cost about $1.50 per round right now tho but load my own lot cheaper.
Nice video and cool guns, especially the belt rig! You mention that in the period nobody would call the ammunition 'long colt' but you keep referring to the gun as the '1858' and I believe in the period it would have just been referred to as the 'new army' as that was the model name, 1858 was just the patent date for one of the design features.
I was just scrolling through looking at 1858 stuff and the Pale Rider got my attention. I looked your company up after seeing "Bayou" realizing you are in Louisiana. Turns out I've passed your business many times in the last 4 years without even knowing it. My daughter is a senior at NSU and I've been there as a result. Small world!
Thank you for this interesting and informative video on your beautiful revolvers and carry system. Those revolvers are gorgeous to look at and I imagine a great amount of fun to shoot. Your good presentation, narration and videography in your interesting and informative gets you this new subscriber.
That's about the same belt and pouch rig that I run. And I'm happy with my cap and ball cylinders. And I'm down to about 2 and 1/2 seconds swap out. And I open carry two 1858 Remington new army .44 8 inch barrel.
The gun in pale rider was actually an 1861 new model. . These are commonly misnamed as the 1858 Remington-of which there is no such animal. Navy Arms founder Val Forgett Sr. called his replica of the ’61 Remington the 1858 to avoid problems with patent rights. Thought that was interesting.
Actually, there were no Civil War Remington revolvers named after a year. What we see now in the replicas is the "New Model Army", which came out in 1863. A progression of improvements that came after the first version patented in 1858.
Hello from France! It s a very nice belt! I hope find one as this for my Rem. Here cap n ball guns are still free to buy. Just need an ID. I keep it load in a salety box if i need to defend my family.
just a question Hub! i am english but in netherlands,i got an original new model army 1863 march issued.I am in netherlands and hope to get my EU citizenship dutch too eventualy..In the next few years,i have an inheritance coming.So if i was an EU citizen that bought a house in france,and was living in france.possible later as my best friend from school lives there.So if i was registered in france,but a dutch european citizen,would i be able with my ID,to buy blackpowder,caps,and balls. or would i have to be a french citizen? Or if my friend who is a french citizen buys the stuff for my gun.would we get a problem?
I have 4 Remington 1858s. 3 Pietta an a Uberti. I have 16 C&B cylinders and two .45 conversion cylinders. I made my own pouches to carry 4 cylinders. I need to get the same for my Uberti... Makes it so much easier to reload.
Great information! As you can see by my viewer picture, I am a big fan of Clint Eastwood in Pale Rider! I have an 1858 Pietta pistol and love it (except cleaning it) a lot.
Nope, unfortunately you are mistaken ! There WAS a 45 short colt, and I'm not speaking of the Scholfield .45. The difference between the short Colt .45 & the Scholfield .45, was the rim diameter. The .45 Long Colt was designed for the Colt single action Army weapon used by the military in that time period. The problem with the "short colt" cartridge was that the rim was to small to effectively eject the shells in the Scholfield , so the wider rimed Scholfield cartridge was developed to accommodate the ejection process. The Army in it's wisdom didn't like the logistical problems that had occurred, So eventually opted for one weapon ( side arm ) that would utilize one cartridge, though all 3 were usable in the Colt Single Action Army. Hope this clears up the Colt cartridge controversy.
Nice rig. All them Howell cylinders are expensive. I bought my Uberti 1858 new model army revolver specifically to use a Howell drop in .45 colt conversion cylinder with it and the same day I ordered the piece I ordered the cylinder too and received them both the same day about 8 months ago this past august. I posted a video I made nearly 2 weeks ago on my channel of my most recent shooting session with it firing 5 shots from about 30 feet away at a cantaloupe. So far I’ve put about a box and a half of ammo through her since October and I’ve taken her out shooting about a handful of times. I always load 5 myself for safety. She tends to hit about a few inches to the left at 30 feet so I have to compensate by aiming a couple of inches to the right of center
G somebody must have forgot that there was a 45 Schofield out at the same time. And it was a shorter cartridge that you could fire in a 45 Colt chamber. Not surprisingly, most of the loads that the Army used were 45 Schofield ammo in 45 Colt guns. But the reason that the word long was added to the Colt cartridge, was because it was longer than the Schofield. If you want to be an absolute purest, the 1858 Remington is a Double Action Gun. Because you have to not only cock the hammer you didn't have to pull the trigger, which is two movements you have to make to make the gun go bang. With the trigger cocking mechanism you only had to do one action, which was to pull the trigger.
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I just noticed the cylinder in the movie gun frame does not have a cap/ring over the cartridges. In a closeup where Preacher just pulls the cylinder rod, you can barely see the rim of one cartridge and there is no ring over the cylinder. Further, the lower hammer face is ground to a point to directly fire the primers. This suggests a "regular " .45 cylinder made to fit the frame rather than a conversion cylinder with a ring and firing pins over each chamber. Was there historically such a modification or conversion?
you can buy an original,BP gun,not a replica as its fac,but originals are better guns than replicas,bullet mould,no fac req.,Dont shoot it or its an fac offence.But in the future if shtf happens,you can make metal caps,and a little chemistry,make caps work,and make bp.A few spare cylinders,not replicas as fac,and dont shoot the gun.But if shtf happens,you will have a valid man stopper,long after the roaming gangs,have run out of casings to relaod,and cannot get propellant,and primers anymore.You can still shoot.I am english by the way.you dont need cartridges,to exploit the magazine loading of a new model army,Its the same for cap and ball cylinders,the 1860s colt cannot do this.An expert can swap cylinders in less than 2 seconds,its the first magazine loading pistol.And you get a BP massive smoke screen,to move and hide,and re/load,and pop up somewhere else.Only dont fire your gun until after SHTF happens,But you can get all you need,gun and a bullet mould,with no FAC,and no registration.I have one but it is modified to a 5.5 inch barrel.originals in the uk,might cost 1500,and cylinders when you can find them around 200 a piece.my gun is original 1863,but modified for cowboy action shooting,by a gunsmith,but here in holland too,its legal to own,I dont have a bullet mould yet,my remington I had to go to a top antique gun seller in netherlands as i was maybe returning to the uk,to get a certificate to prove it is original,Because it was fully restored,with the front sight changed,for a dovetailed,adjustable blade sight,and fully re/blued,So it looks like a replica.It does not look like its over 150 years old,but the modifications decrease its value,so i bought it for 850 euros.but it is 100% legit,by serial numbers all matching.
Clint's Remington is a GATED, RIMFIRE conversion of a cap and ball revolver. .46 rimfire (short & long) to be exact. All the handguns i saw seem to be 1860s conversions, so i guess its set in the late 1860s or before the advent of the colt 45s in 1873.
1150 fps with a 250 grain slug is getting up there for any 45 Colt single action other than a Ruger. Have you run em across a chrono? For my 44 spl SAA clone by Uberti I like to run 250 grain cast slugs at about 830 fps from my 4.75" barrel. this gives me around a 45 acp/45 Colt power with very manageable recoil and good accuracy. Oh... I use HT coat bullets.
Some links would be appreciated. There is HNH, HH, H and H and all variation of the letters for leather companies. Which one are you talking about? Also, I know that Taylors offers black rock finish as an option for 1858s but is anyone refinishing with it for existing blued guns?
I have thought that it would be really cool, if someone made a double action swing out cylinder framed black powder revolver that allows rapid swap out of cylinders. I feel that such cylinders using either standard percussion caps, or better yet 209 shotgun primers would make an interesting blsck powder 2 gun rig
It looks like you have something rigged up on the gated 1858 to push out and expel the spent casings, was that a kit you purchased or some custom work?
.45 long colt came about due to the Army using both the Schofield .45 and the Colt .45. The Colt could fire both but the S&W could only fire the .45 S&W. People began calling the .45 Colt the Long Colt because it was longer. Yes it was used by the public then but was not an official term.
When I saw the movie many moons ago, I promised myself to get one and finally in December 2019 I bought one with an extra Cylinder to swap at the range but I decided to take the 38 special caliber, then the company called me to let me know that the same gun can take 45 colt by changing the barrel and the Cylinder, so obviously I bought the 45 kit too. Unfortunately due to Covid-19 I am not able to go to the range to try all the stuff.
@@lauramichellelichoff-james7137 Thanks, I am in Canada, it has been 20 years, but you know how dangerous it is in this pandemic, I am afraid to even go to the hospital because I usually go every 3 months for transplant check up, but I cancelled all appointments, I am stuck in the house, even my wife is working from home , she is vice president of a conglomerate, but she can become a carrier, so she asked to work from home. I just have to wait it out.
Problem is, if you look at clips on YT the cylinders that Clint is swapping out are of a bored through design like a 1873 Colt. You can clearly see the case heads in the cylinder, so thanks to "movie magic" he wasn't using a two piece cylinder as a normal conversion cylinder is.
Period accurate conversions were essentially just the kirst conversion but with the backplate affixed into the frame with a screw rather than attached to the cylinder like the kirst model. Meaning that actually might be historical accuracy rather than movie magic.
Hi! Nice video! Any idea how much velocity is lost when shooting 5,5" barrelled 1858 when compared to standard 8"? I know there should be a difference in how much velocity is lost when shooting black powder versus smokeless but I dunno to which degree. Any thoughts?
50 fps per inch is a rule of thumb many use as a conservative loss. With 2.5 inches, the idea of 100 fps max as the other comment suggests is not unreasonable.
I now shoot S&W model 25 in 45acp with full moon clips. #68 H&G hard cast bullets. It it need more I pull out my double stack 1911 Para 14 . Both shoot great.
I understand why they did the conversion. Just to get rid of what they had in stock and they were much cheaper then the cartage guns but when I saw the movie I thought it was cap and ball. Think a changeable cylinder gun would have been a big improvement for cap and ball long before cartages came along. Was shocked to find out it was just a cheaper cartage gun conversion was the whole reason it looked cool.
Gary J No, the ROA has its own. Even in 1858s, there is a difference between the two major manufacturers that the conversion cylinders do no interchange.
Kirst does not seem to make the 6 shot conversion cylinder anymore. I’m imaging all the weight on your belt from all those ball and cap cylinders. I actually watched pale Rider last night and it look like he had two pouches for his cylinders and the rest was all cartridge loops around the other side of the belt.
I have 2 Pietta sheriff model Remington's with RND cylinders. Pistols CCH frame, hammer and back strap, brass trigger guard and checkered walnut grips. Beautiful pistols.
I disagree with your statement about Long Colt. The name was usedto distinguish between the S&W .45 Schofield and the .45 Colt. The Army had adopted some Schofields before the Colt, and the cartridge was shorter than the Colt round. Having 2 different pistol cartridges was a poor idea, and the Army adopted the shorter S&W round as it fit both weapons. So, civilians, realizing the difference, would actually ask for the "long Colt" so they would have the slightly more powerful round intended for their weapon
Actually 45 long Colt term was used back then, because of the Schofield S&W chamber in 45 was a shorter cartridge. That is why Schofield's were never issued to the army. The 45LC wouldn't fit inside the chamber.
Beg to differ, army issued 45 Schofield to Calvery on limited supply in Remington top breaks but supply problems insured , units getting colt ammo instead of Schofield, which wouldn’t fit colt ammo. So Schofield guns were dropped in favor of 1873 army models.
Kirst Cartridge Konverters™ are rated “For Black Powder or equivalent loads only,” which includes the smokeless, light target loads commonly sold for Cowboy Action Shooting.
It says 45LC right on the weapon when you are saying there is no such thing as long colt. I mean, if even the gun manufacturers are now using the terminology I think we can be a bit understanding.
Nice video of your Remington replicas👍. However, there is no such thing as a 1958 Remington! *Firearms expert Phil Spangenberger tells us: “The gun used in Pale Rider was a New Model 1861 (not an 1863) Remington revolver. These are commonly misnamed as the 1858 Remington of which there is no such animal. Navy Arms founder Val Forgett Sr. called his replica of the ’61 Remington the 1858 to avoid problems with patent rights. “I know Clint used the 1861 model. He pulled the lever down to slide out the cylinder base pin (there is no barrel wedge on a Remington) and removed the cylinder. With the cylinder removed, he replaced it with a fully loaded cylinder, held in a cylindrical pouch attached to his gunbelt. “This was a very accurate re-creation of how the early Remington cartridge conversion revolvers could be reloaded.”
You're wrong. 45 colt, and 45LC, are different rounds. I forget which, but one of them is 45-40. Other manufacturers wouldn't use the colt name to describe the chambering.
Uh, No. 45 Colt was referred to as "Long Colt" to differentiate from the shorter 45 Schofeld or 45 Gov't round of that era. The 45 Colt was originally loaded with 40 grains Black Powder before being reduced to 30 grains per Gov't request for issue by the U.S. Army.
Absolutely love this!
I fell in love with this piece about 10 years ago, I saw a picture of it somewhere and it was love at first sight. Ended up trying to figure out what the heck it was for several months before an 1875 model happened to show up while watching Top Shot, and I knew I had gotten close. Dug a bit more and found out the picture I saw was the 1858, and have been crazy about it since.
Definitely on my bucket list to get one and a few cartridges to go with
Sehr schöner Revolver, der mit Patronen Munition oder wie es davor war mit Perkussions-Zündhütchen und Schwarzpulver geladen und geschossen werden kann, daß hier gezeigte Holster mit den Fächern für die Trommeln sieht sehr interessant aus,ist bestimmt sehr Schwer.
Wow there's quite a bit of hate in this comment section. I have been a Colt replica fan for years. I just purchased my first rimington last year and loved the fact that I could switch out my cylinders at the range. So far I've stuck with the black powder rounds as in Texas I do not need a permit to carry. I've never had a problem with my gun firing after sitting for several months. It is always been a concern of mine so maybe I should purchase a conversion cylinder for the house. Either way just wanted to tell you it was a very informative video and you did a great job. Thank you for sharing your knowledge of the replicas along with a very cool belt.
When you say, "I've never had a problem with my gun firing after sitting for several months.", did you mean that you left it loaded with black powder and ammo, and could shoot what's already in it several months later?
@@huyked The ones I keep in my home for home defense I fire once a year. The one I carry on my person everyday which is an 1858 Remington Ace I fire every single month. The Remington 1858 sheriff's model I keep in my truck. I fire every 6 months. I have never had a misfire utilizing this practice. Humidity is very high here in Texas so you can safely keep your black powder for that long in most other states unless you're talking about Florida or California. If you're carrying it on your body, it's definitely going to get the most moisture available, so that's the one I would practice with and reload consistently each month. Everything else you can play it by ear but 6 months to a year depending on where it is is good practice.
@@huyked Paul Harrel did a video: Personal Protection: Cap and Ball Revolvers where he tried a BP revolver that he kept loaded for THREE YEARS and it had no misfires.
i had problems with the cylinder pin or whatever its called gettting gunked up after 1 cylinder with black powder made it hard do move
@Colesayswhat use bore butter on it before you go out shooting and you will have no issues. It works really well for removing the pin over and over.
I live in Ilion, New York. The Remington factory, despite its recent troubles, is still here a half mile away from me. I've always wondered about the differences with Clint's "Pale Rider" 1858 Remington conversion. Thanks for doing this video!
I got a Uberti Colt Walker 1847 44 Cal recently at a gun show. It came with a brown Triple K holster, Howell 45 Colt conversion cylinder and a powder flask. Built in 2001, it is very tight and the blueing actually has a blue tint to it. This might be the charcoal finish from Uberti. I don't believe it has ever been fired. The bad news is the Howell conversion cylinder is a bit loose. Howell says Uberti Walkers made before 2002 might need to be fitted. Like sleeving the bore or something? Kind of the reason I got it. The cylinder is larger and so takes 6 rounds and has plenty of steel between the cylinders. I just got a brown Triple K belt to match... the Josey Wales collection.
The 45 Colt was never officially called the "Long Colt" but there were shorter versions of the 45 round that could be fired in a Colt 45, so people started referring to the original as the "Long Colt". Winchester made a shorter version of the round.
It was called the 45 Schofield used in the S and W Schofield revolvers
The 45ACP conversion cylinder will work with all the ACP variations of the round with the exception of the "plus" loads. I like them.
Magnificent revolvers ! Uberti makes very beautiful guns.Great video,Thank You
You are absolutely correct in stating that the proper cartridge name is "45 Colt". The "Long Colt" and "Short Colt" verbal designation began around 1877, when U.S. Government Arsenals ceased loading the .45 Colt, and began loading the ".45 Government" round. The .45 Government was basically a .45 S&W Schofield with rim diameter reduced to the same as 45 Colt. The reason for the 45 Government is because the U.S. Ordnance Dept had started loading the 45 Colt down in power, to about 30 grains Rifle (similar to GOEX FFFg) under a 255 gr bullet, instead of the original loading of 40 grains rifle powder under a 255 gr bullet, because the very powerful 40 grain 1000+ fps load was difficult to train new recruits to effectively fire. U.S. Ordnance loaded the 45 Government with a custom blend of FFg and FFFg, carefully formulated to push the 230 gr bullet at 800 fps. The U.S. Ordnance Dept in 1910, requested that John Browning modify the ballistics of the 45 ACP to exactly duplicate the 45 Government ballistics. [John Browning's original load for the 45 ACP was a 200 grain bullet at 900 fps].
All bark and no bite, or in other words: “you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?”
Different movie pale
FYI, if all you have is a cartridge revolver, you can still load the 45LC cases with the same powder and .454 ball as the cap and ball versions use. Just a large rifle primer instead of a cap. You will want a wad over the powder. then crimp the ball in place.
That hexagonal shaped barrel is so grand!
I got a pietta 1858 Remington with the conversion cylinders and I got more conversions for the Remington so now I can shoot .22, 9mm ,45s 44s, and black powder all out of one gun.
I think it’s referred to as a .45 long Colt is so it isn’t confused with a .45 auto. This obviously wasn’t an issue in the 1800’s.
At the time there was 45 Colt, and 45 Schofield which was noticeably shorter in overall length. The Schofield would fit in the Colt and Remington as well as the Smith &Wesson that it was designed for. However the Colt cartridge would not fit in the S&W as it was too long. That appears to be the source of the commonly used name of "LONG COLT".
Not really, back in the day there was the 45 Schofield also referred to as the 45 short Colt, shich csn be loaded in the 45 Colt chambers.
@@denisdegamon8224 Smith and Wesson might have had a problem with that. But then again I am judging from today's point of view; you could very well be correct.
Stuart Stuart they do make 45acp cylinders to swap out .
Yes, you are correct. When Colt brought the SAA back after WW2 they realized million of men referred to the 45 ACP as the 45 Colt because of the war, Hence the retronym, 45 Long Colt. You will not find the term "45 Long Colt" prior to the 1950s. It is a twentieth century phrase.
I want that. I have been thinking about purchasing a Remington and this set up is exactly what I have been dreaming of. Just subscribed.
Yeah it's nice I have a converted 1860 army snubnose also have a 1858 navy in .36 cal that I want to convert,this setup would be about 3 grand with everything there,.45 Colt cost about $1.50 per round right now tho but load my own lot cheaper.
awesome video!!!
Nice video and cool guns, especially the belt rig! You mention that in the period nobody would call the ammunition 'long colt' but you keep referring to the gun as the '1858' and I believe in the period it would have just been referred to as the 'new army' as that was the model name, 1858 was just the patent date for one of the design features.
I was just scrolling through looking at 1858 stuff and the Pale Rider got my attention. I looked your company up after seeing "Bayou" realizing you are in Louisiana. Turns out I've passed your business many times in the last 4 years without even knowing it. My daughter is a senior at NSU and I've been there as a result. Small world!
Thank you for this interesting and informative video on your beautiful revolvers and carry system.
Those revolvers are gorgeous to look at and I imagine a great amount of fun to shoot.
Your good presentation, narration and videography in your interesting and informative gets you this new subscriber.
That's about the same belt and pouch rig that I run. And I'm happy with my cap and ball cylinders. And I'm down to about 2 and 1/2 seconds swap out. And I open carry two 1858 Remington new army .44 8 inch barrel.
The gun in pale rider was actually an 1861 new model. . These are commonly misnamed as the 1858 Remington-of which there is no such animal. Navy Arms founder Val Forgett Sr. called his replica of the ’61 Remington the 1858 to avoid problems with patent rights. Thought that was interesting.
Actually, there were no Civil War Remington revolvers named after a year. What we see now in the replicas is the "New Model Army", which came out in 1863. A progression of improvements that came after the first version patented in 1858.
It's just Rimington New Model Army. No year association. 1858 is a patent date for loading leaver and other improvements.
Hello from France! It s a very nice belt! I hope find one as this for my Rem. Here cap n ball guns are still free to buy. Just need an ID. I keep it load in a salety box if i need to defend my family.
just a question Hub! i am english but in netherlands,i got an original new model army 1863 march issued.I am in netherlands and hope to get my EU citizenship dutch too eventualy..In the next few years,i have an inheritance coming.So if i was an EU citizen that bought a house in france,and was living in france.possible later as my best friend from school lives there.So if i was registered in france,but a dutch european citizen,would i be able with my ID,to buy blackpowder,caps,and balls. or would i have to be a french citizen? Or if my friend who is a french citizen buys the stuff for my gun.would we get a problem?
I have 4 Remington 1858s. 3 Pietta an a Uberti. I have 16 C&B cylinders and two .45 conversion cylinders. I made my own pouches to carry 4 cylinders. I need to get the same for my Uberti... Makes it so much easier to reload.
Can you fire acp from the pietta?
Yes, with a .45 ACP conversion cylinder.
Great information! As you can see by my viewer picture, I am a big fan of Clint Eastwood in Pale Rider! I have an 1858 Pietta pistol and love it (except cleaning it) a lot.
How many rounds of acurate fire per minute can you get using swap out cylinders??
Nope, unfortunately you are mistaken ! There WAS a 45 short colt, and I'm not speaking of the Scholfield .45. The difference between the short Colt .45 & the Scholfield .45, was the rim diameter. The .45 Long Colt was designed for the Colt single action Army weapon used by the military in that time period. The problem with the "short colt" cartridge was that the rim was to small to effectively eject the shells in the Scholfield , so the wider rimed Scholfield cartridge was developed to accommodate the ejection process. The Army in it's wisdom didn't like the logistical problems that had occurred, So eventually opted for one weapon ( side arm ) that would utilize one cartridge, though all 3 were usable in the Colt Single Action Army. Hope this clears up the Colt cartridge controversy.
Its not the cylinder thats to worry about when shooting hotter loads. Its the forcing cone on the gun.
Nice rig. All them Howell cylinders are expensive. I bought my Uberti 1858 new model army revolver specifically to use a Howell drop in .45 colt conversion cylinder with it and the same day I ordered the piece I ordered the cylinder too and received them both the same day about 8 months ago this past august. I posted a video I made nearly 2 weeks ago on my channel of my most recent shooting session with it firing 5 shots from about 30 feet away at a cantaloupe. So far I’ve put about a box and a half of ammo through her since October and I’ve taken her out shooting about a handful of times. I always load 5 myself for safety. She tends to hit about a few inches to the left at 30 feet so I have to compensate by aiming a couple of inches to the right of center
G somebody must have forgot that there was a 45 Schofield out at the same time. And it was a shorter cartridge that you could fire in a 45 Colt chamber. Not surprisingly, most of the loads that the Army used were 45 Schofield ammo in 45 Colt guns. But the reason that the word long was added to the Colt cartridge, was because it was longer than the Schofield. If you want to be an absolute purest, the 1858 Remington is a Double Action Gun. Because you have to not only cock the hammer you didn't have to pull the trigger, which is two movements you have to make to make the gun go bang. With the trigger cocking mechanism you only had to do one action, which was to pull the trigger.
It would have been nice to see him actually swap one out. Just saying...
very informative ; however , this guy drone voice put you to sleep .
duelist1954 has an old video on the subject, heres a link th-cam.com/video/axwZhrsxazQ/w-d-xo.html
They have lots of videos on it
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I just noticed the cylinder in the movie gun frame does not have a cap/ring over the cartridges. In a closeup where Preacher just pulls the cylinder rod, you can barely see the rim of one cartridge and there is no ring over the cylinder. Further, the lower hammer face is ground to a point to directly fire the primers. This suggests a "regular " .45 cylinder made to fit the frame rather than a conversion cylinder with a ring and firing pins over each chamber. Was there historically such a modification or conversion?
I live in the UK so no cartridge pistols😭... but I so love this piece and would have one in an instant! 😍
you can buy an original,BP gun,not a replica as its fac,but originals are better guns than replicas,bullet mould,no fac req.,Dont shoot it or its an fac offence.But in the future if shtf happens,you can make metal caps,and a little chemistry,make caps work,and make bp.A few spare cylinders,not replicas as fac,and dont shoot the gun.But if shtf happens,you will have a valid man stopper,long after the roaming gangs,have run out of casings to relaod,and cannot get propellant,and primers anymore.You can still shoot.I am english by the way.you dont need cartridges,to exploit the magazine loading of a new model army,Its the same for cap and ball cylinders,the 1860s colt cannot do this.An expert can swap cylinders in less than 2 seconds,its the first magazine loading pistol.And you get a BP massive smoke screen,to move and hide,and re/load,and pop up somewhere else.Only dont fire your gun until after SHTF happens,But you can get all you need,gun and a bullet mould,with no FAC,and no registration.I have one but it is modified to a 5.5 inch barrel.originals in the uk,might cost 1500,and cylinders when you can find them around 200 a piece.my gun is original 1863,but modified for cowboy action shooting,by a gunsmith,but here in holland too,its legal to own,I dont have a bullet mould yet,my remington I had to go to a top antique gun seller in netherlands as i was maybe returning to the uk,to get a certificate to prove it is original,Because it was fully restored,with the front sight changed,for a dovetailed,adjustable blade sight,and fully re/blued,So it looks like a replica.It does not look like its over 150 years old,but the modifications decrease its value,so i bought it for 850 euros.but it is 100% legit,by serial numbers all matching.
There is no such thing as an "1858" that was the patent number stamped on the plunger. The revolver is called "Remengton new model army".
I can't understand why people don't know enough, or research that. I correct people on that alot.
Nobody cares.
Well do people recognize Remington 1858 or Remington new model army , so there u go
yeah chill bro.all the venders call it 1858 and we all know it's correctly the new model army.but like home boy said, nobody cares...
Lol, no one cares.
Clint's Remington is a GATED, RIMFIRE conversion of a cap and ball revolver. .46 rimfire (short & long) to be exact. All the handguns i saw seem to be 1860s conversions, so i guess its set in the late 1860s or before the advent of the colt 45s in 1873.
The conversions for the Colt or Remington, did not come out until 1865 or 1866. Not sure exactly.
I think pale rider is dated to around 1870 plus or minus 2 years, at least i think so...@@longrider42
Very interesting. Would like to see it in use. Outside of Pale Rider that is. Very nice.
Like the set up. Looking to put something together for a pair of Colt Walkers.
Magnifiques armes monsieur
Very nice video Sir. I found it very informative.
I have a Pietta 1858 Remington Black Powder Revolver
What type of conversion cylinder do I need to buy.
Taylor's and Company
45Lc sound great loaded with black powder.
1150 fps with a 250 grain slug is getting up there for any 45 Colt single action other than a Ruger. Have you run em across a chrono? For my 44 spl SAA clone by Uberti I like to run 250 grain cast slugs at about 830 fps from my 4.75" barrel. this gives me around a 45 acp/45 Colt power with very manageable recoil and good accuracy. Oh... I use HT coat bullets.
We run every test through a chony....
Some links would be appreciated. There is HNH, HH, H and H and all variation of the letters for leather companies. Which one are you talking about? Also, I know that Taylors offers black rock finish as an option for 1858s but is anyone refinishing with it for existing blued guns?
They did actually make a 45 short colt, it was quickly discontinued. Also your technically right, because the short colt came about in the 1900's.
I am looking to get this exact setup but with one difference I want the right handed setup to have a forward facing butt or reversed .
I have thought that it would be really cool, if someone made a double action swing out cylinder framed black powder revolver that allows rapid swap out of cylinders. I feel that such cylinders using either standard percussion caps, or better yet 209 shotgun primers would make an interesting blsck powder 2 gun rig
It looks like you have something rigged up on the gated 1858 to push out and expel the spent casings, was that a kit you purchased or some custom work?
Great work. Do you have a pattern for the cylinder holders?
.45 long colt came about due to the Army using both the Schofield .45 and the Colt .45. The Colt could fire both but the S&W could only fire the .45 S&W. People began calling the .45 Colt the Long Colt because it was longer. Yes it was used by the public then but was not an official term.
You are exactly right.
Pretty ...
When I saw the movie many moons ago, I promised myself to get one and finally in December 2019 I bought one with an extra Cylinder to swap at the range but I decided to take the 38 special caliber, then the company called me to let me know that the same gun can take 45 colt by changing the barrel and the Cylinder, so obviously I bought the 45 kit too. Unfortunately due to Covid-19 I am not able to go to the range to try all the stuff.
Hope you get the chance to try out your new toys!!
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Ooo that’s awesome, you should consider selling those online if you don’t already.
Excellent review....!!!!!!
So what was the distinctive cough for after saying corrupt deputies
how much would it cost to get a pale ryder holster and rig belt like this one bro ???
3:32 lol "some really warm and nice loads"
Happiness is shooting a nice, warm load, lol.
Good one! Didn't catch that at first! But you know what I'm gonna say now! (That's What She's Said)! Lol!😂😂
That's What She Said! Lol!🇺🇸🙌😂
Delivers a good money shot. Lol
Problem is, if you look at clips on YT the cylinders that Clint is swapping out are of a bored through design like a 1873 Colt. You can clearly see the case heads in the cylinder, so thanks to "movie magic" he wasn't using a two piece cylinder as a normal conversion cylinder is.
Period accurate conversions were essentially just the kirst conversion but with the backplate affixed into the frame with a screw rather than attached to the cylinder like the kirst model. Meaning that actually might be historical accuracy rather than movie magic.
Does it fire modern 45 long colt smokeless cigarettes??
Hi! Nice video! Any idea how much velocity is lost when shooting 5,5" barrelled 1858 when compared to standard 8"? I know there should be a difference in how much velocity is lost when shooting black powder versus smokeless but I dunno to which degree. Any thoughts?
not much. 50 to 100 fps loss
50 fps per inch is a rule of thumb many use as a conservative loss. With 2.5 inches, the idea of 100 fps max as the other comment suggests is not unreasonable.
Are the cylinder conversions period authentic or purely an invention of holly wood?
I now shoot S&W model 25 in 45acp with full moon clips. #68 H&G hard cast bullets. It it need more I pull out my double stack 1911 Para 14 . Both shoot great.
How do you keep your Remington from binding up?
I understand why they did the conversion. Just to get rid of what they had in stock and they were much cheaper then the cartage guns but when I saw the movie I thought it was cap and ball. Think a changeable cylinder gun would have been a big improvement for cap and ball long before cartages came along. Was shocked to find out it was just a cheaper cartage gun conversion was the whole reason it looked cool.
Can you guys do full moon clips for a Smith & Wesson uberti Schofield?
Where can I purchase more percussion cap cylinder for my 1858
We have hundreds of thousands.... must be purchased in 1000 count boxes. 833-AIM-FIRE
Where did you get yours I have an 1851 army navy that I named smaug
Great show 👍😎🤝
THANK YOU, i for one also cring at people who say .45 long Colt, so thank you very much
like your setup
WHERE CAN I GET A belt like that
Ah yes, this is what the cool kids call "Packing Heat"
Thought it was 1860 not 58
Will the conversion cylinder you have there swap in a ROA. To me the ROA is a hybrid. Awesome belt.
Gary J No, the ROA has its own. Even in 1858s, there is a difference between the two major manufacturers that the conversion cylinders do no interchange.
Can somebody tell me where he got that belt from
Kirst does not seem to make the 6 shot conversion cylinder anymore.
I’m imaging all the weight on your belt from all those ball and cap cylinders.
I actually watched pale Rider last night and it look like he had two pouches for his cylinders and the rest was all cartridge loops around the other side of the belt.
Can I do hot loads in an Uberti 1858 with a kirst conversion? Or is that still too dangerous?
I have 2 Pietta sheriff model Remington's with RND cylinders.
Pistols CCH frame, hammer and back strap, brass trigger guard and checkered walnut grips.
Beautiful pistols.
Are suppose cartridge conversion cylinders? Expensive,I bet.
Where did u get the holster?
can be ordered directly at harrisonleather.com/
I disagree with your statement about Long Colt. The name was usedto distinguish between the S&W .45 Schofield and the .45 Colt. The Army had adopted some Schofields before the Colt, and the cartridge was shorter than the Colt round. Having 2 different pistol cartridges was a poor idea, and the Army adopted the shorter S&W round as it fit both weapons. So, civilians, realizing the difference, would actually ask for the "long Colt" so they would have the slightly more powerful round intended for their weapon
Beutiful Pair !!!g
“ The Lord sure does work in mysterious ways.”
Actually 45 long Colt term was used back then, because of the Schofield S&W chamber in 45 was a shorter cartridge. That is why Schofield's were never issued to the army. The 45LC wouldn't fit inside the chamber.
Schofields were issued to the army..
Beg to differ, army issued 45 Schofield to Calvery on limited supply in Remington top breaks but supply problems insured , units getting colt ammo instead of Schofield, which wouldn’t fit colt ammo. So Schofield guns were dropped in favor of 1873 army models.
Where did you get the belt
Back in the day they'd look at us like we were stupid for asking for an 1858 Remington too. ;)
You should explain how it got the name 45 long colt.
Like to have one of those pale Ryder belt systems.
Are you saying the 6 shot cartridge has a high probability of blowing up?
*depending on the load.
5 shot allows you to do much hotter rounds.
6 is suitable for target shooting loads.
kirsts are rated no higher than the 6 shot cylinders
Kirst Cartridge Konverters™ are rated “For Black Powder or equivalent loads only,” which includes the smokeless, light target loads commonly sold for Cowboy Action Shooting.
Nice equipment.
It says 45LC right on the weapon when you are saying there is no such thing as long colt. I mean, if even the gun manufacturers are now using the terminology I think we can be a bit understanding.
Nice video of your Remington replicas👍. However, there is no such thing as a 1958 Remington!
*Firearms expert Phil Spangenberger tells us: “The gun used in Pale Rider was a New Model 1861 (not an 1863) Remington revolver. These are commonly misnamed as the 1858 Remington of which there is no such animal. Navy Arms founder Val Forgett Sr. called his replica of the ’61 Remington the 1858 to avoid problems with patent rights. “I know Clint used the 1861 model. He pulled the lever down to slide out the cylinder base pin (there is no barrel wedge on a Remington) and removed the cylinder. With the cylinder removed, he replaced it with a fully loaded cylinder, held in a cylindrical pouch attached to his gunbelt. “This was a very accurate re-creation of how the early Remington cartridge conversion revolvers could be reloaded.”
Do you have a link to belt?
Nice video, thank you for sharing
Do, can you modify/ redesign a 1851 Colt backstrap into a traditional birdshead without the current stepped birdshead?
I'm thinking about a 3d copy in plastic, modifying, and then casting in brass.
John Johnon uberti sells 45 colt birds head (without the step), cattleman revolver.
The back strap and triggerguard interchange with 1852 colt.
Excellent!
Love it!🔥
Love it!
Sweet video thank you!
Still could use a race gun conversion!
You're wrong.
45 colt, and 45LC, are different rounds. I forget which, but one of them is 45-40. Other manufacturers wouldn't use the colt name to describe the chambering.
Uh, No. 45 Colt was referred to as "Long Colt" to differentiate from the shorter 45 Schofeld or 45 Gov't round of that era. The 45 Colt was originally loaded with 40 grains Black Powder before being reduced to 30 grains per Gov't request for issue by the U.S. Army.
1858_R was a,significant advance over the open top Colts.Much stronger design.All we need is cartridge loading and we are all set.
True.My Walker colt.That wedge is a pain.