Why Anakin Thought Padme's Plan to Kill Him was BRILLIANT (Not Obi-Wan)
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"You did it. You killed her. You killed her because, finally, when you could have saved her, when you could have gone away with her, when you could have been thinking about her, you were thinking about yourself. It is in this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side, the final cruelty of the Sith, because now, yourself is all you will ever have."
Like Obi-Wan said you have allowed this dark lord to twist your mind till now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.
Facts it’s ironic too cuz the Jedi were so blind that they couldn’t see that they were serving the government and senate and not the galaxy why is partly why anakin turned (obviously padme was his main reason)
Palpatine truly manipulated Anakin. Turned everything he loved. Anakin's ironic weakness was Padme. Once Padme died, his dark side turn came full circle.
Until the discovery of his son reignited the spark of light that couldn’t be extinguished
Surely Vader hated palpatine
@@pt5728 He has several reasons to hate Palpatine with the power of all of the stars of the galaxy. If I go thru the reasons, it will be a extremely long post of the abuse that Vader went through under Palpatine.
@@DeathScepter Palpatine never wanted any of his apprentices to overthrow him, no matter what he told them. It was always going to be him. In Legends and in Canon. He wanted to be the immortal emperor. He never taught them everything he knew. He probably taught Vader more than Dooku or Maul, and even in the armor Vader's raw dark side power was leagues ahead of Maul and probably Dooku too. But Palpatine never allowed him to get stronger than him. Purposely made his cybernetics weak to Force Lightning.
@@TheDevilofDallas666 I recall reading at some point that Palpatine foresaw Vader's defeat on Mustafar and allowed it to happen to ensure Vader would never be strong enough to overthrow him.
I can see it now for the FIRST time EVER. The treachery was everywhere in Coruscant. No wonder Anakin was sooo unhinged and unbalanced in his thinking. Currently, rereading ROTS novel. I will enjoy it more now. Thank you for enhancing my reading enjoyment
I read the Stover novel before I saw the movie and was like "damn...". Kinda sad we barely saw Vader in the temple or delved deeper into Anakin and Obi-Wan's internal thoughts. I wish we could get that 4 hour supercut but I doubt the deleted scenes can be reworked even if they brought back the cast and deaged them. Idk. Worth exploring but I wouldn't drop $300M making it happen unless they know they can make bank on the re-release.
@@TheDevilofDallas666 I too read the book first. I really loved, loved the exploration of Mace Windu and his crazed love for the Republic. He was fanatical. Also, loved Stover’s description of Obi-Wan being the best swordsman to beat Grievous. The book is utter perfection
@@rafaelmazas6593 Mace, " Take a seat, .. are we boring you ?"
In the novel due to Anakin lack of sleep, he passed out in the chair during council meeting. Wish they just added another few seconds here and there showing Anakin nodding off and snapping awake from battlefield nightmares.
Other problem with the movie, compare to the novel and RPG. For the movie goers they blended the two over the top duels happen at the same time, where Mustfar is a couple of day's trip from the Core world.
Other points,
a.) TESB it shown Luke & Leia had an empathic/ telepathic bond.
b.) The RPG had a mechanic system on how to run telepathy & empathic abilities.
c.) Jedi/Sith ability Battle Mind allow Jedi to mental link up and dog pack attacks/ defense during combat.
d.) in the 1990's EU novels, force users/Jedi that have close emotional relationship can Feel their friends/family from 10's of thousands of light years away.
Anakin was in screaming pain and sense of abandonment, his emotions and thoughts reached out to the only person he really loved. Anakin drag Padme down into death with him, then the respirator turn on.
As shown with editing in RotS, Padme stop breathing as soon Vader started to breath. In the novel, Anakin died on the table.
@@krispalermo8133 Vader dies on the table in the movie too, if you listen with headphones you can hear his heartbeat stop for a solid 10-12 seconds before the breathing starts
@@dunguswungus359 Vader/Anakin, yeah the guy stops breathing right with Padme.
As for my grandma words watching the ending of RotS, " What ! ? How can that whiny little murderous bastard still be alive ?!"
Paranoia at it's most extreme.
His mind is completely warped and distorted
Godanm you just made me realize how cutthroat the final hours of the clone wars was everybody betraying eachother and planning to betray eachother😂😂
There needs to be a episode to show more signs when anikan started to not trust padme. It would be so interesting
They were in the clone wars
@@adrianb714 I know but more so in between what's happening in the movie itself. Like extended editions even if they are in clone wars animation. The only time in the movie they start to show the cracks is when anikan tells her she sounds like a separatist and in the beginning when she says love has blinded you cheesy comment. Shit doesn't hit the fan until they meet on mustafar
@@alexhernandez90210 In two of the original treatments Lucas came up with, one had Luke and Leia being toddlers and the first half of the movie was basically Anakin had already become Vader and was murdering Jedi across the galaxy with Palpatine and Obi-Wan finds out it's him doing it. They fight, he loses. Basically the same ending. In another, he thinks Padme is cheating on him with Obi-Wan.
Honestly I'd like to see those two adapted in animation.
@@TheDevilofDallas666 Another side note, the Marvel comics during the early 1980's filling in the movies.
Leia was being tracked by a bounty hunter cause she resemble a senator from Naboo named Padme that went missing at the end of the Clone War. But it was later added the Leia had/has an adopted sister named Winter where both young girls receive gene therapy to look like twin sisters.
Hayden had a hard press to mimic the speech of Jones Vader cantor, Mark's whiny Luke, follow with Carry's Leia being center of command with her sharp tongue.
@@krispalermo8133 when you put it that way, I believe hayden got it. But can you cite proof about a comic containing the words “Naboo” and “Padme” any time before 1996?
Edit: Zahn created Winter. I just wanted to go back and read that comic.
It said that the state of Star Wars is such that we are still talking about movies that are 15+ years old
It may not of been Obi-Wan's plan at first but he obviously heard them talking when he decided to walk down those steps.
I love how it's now canon that Vader was actually on Mustafar for like 2 or 3 days before Obi-Wan showed up. Slowly turning back into Anakin, almost, but by the time Obi-Wan shows up, Vader has taken over.
The biggest question that bugged everyone's mind
Would the whole interaction still be the same outcome if Obi-Wan wasn't there?
He would kill her and scream "no" for 10 hours
No
Padme is too strong willed to be out like that
She would shout anger and refusal to be with him and just leaves and then it's Anakin following Padme reversal
@@sebastianolvera6923 In regards to the novels RotS, Anakin used Mind Trick/Effect Minds to calm her fears telling her there was nothing to worry about a few times before the end. It was All within the Wording.
Another problem Anakin had Force Shout/Scream which is a darkside ability shown in the original shorts of the Clone War cartoons and comic books fight with Venture, and novels leading up to RotS. A frustrating Yell would have shook Padme causing a miscarriage.
@krispalermo8133 Nah I don't think Anakin would do that to her cause he loved her and respect her individuality too much
@@sebastianolvera6923 From a long-time nerd being 47years old grew up on Star Wars and D&D wargaming. My collective gaming groups agreed what would have FLOP how RotS turn out. Anakin just leaves the Jedi council, works as a full-time bodyguard for Padme on her diplomacy senator missions.
By our world current standers, Anakin was in the frontlines way too long without down time to destress from combat fatigue.
Also the GRA grand republic army had many branches not lead by the Jedi. Who had little trust of the Jedi council or Clones.
I think that this was not Obi-wan’s plan to use Padme against Anakin but he quickly picked on hints of a theory on the moment of Anakin accuses Obi-wan turning Padme against him.
I've been watching your videos for years, and you've had some some good ones, and this was your best one. Brilliant, subtle, multidimensional analysis. Please, more like this, it has helped me appreciate it much greater. Please do one on how Palpatine says, "I have the power to save the one you love!" And then a minute later, "only one could cheat death, but perhaps if we combine our efforts, we can discover the secret." And how Palpatine was well and truly beaten, really was afraid as he was on the knife-edge of death, saying "Please DON'T!!" and then Mace completely lost all composure as Anakin cut his hand off, completely gave up in that moment, though he did manage to stand there for like 10 seconds, unlike Yoda who was pushed back across the room from Palp's lightning
I mean, your friend shouldn't show up unannounced and be alone with your girl. Of course that is suspicious behavior.
But, supposedly, nobody knew about their relationship. And as Obi-Wan was a total Jedi, him having an affair should have been a ridiculous thought. Skywalker was the rulebreaker here...
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Ty for the daily uploads brother. Always 10/10
Something i noticed the more star wars content talking about anakin is truly the evil darth sidious is capable of, anakin is a soldier and protector at heart. Palp's manipulations of anakin made him not trust the one person he should have padme
Right it was always there palpatine just brought it out
@@pkizzlebeats i wouldn't put it that way but changed it to fit his needs
Wow this joker really thought his wife was cheating on him with his old master smh. Anakin should've known better. Then again, when your brainwashed by the Sith, you don't necessarily see or think straight
I would of thought the same thing lol
This upload was amazing. I never realized that’s what Anikan was thinking
Surely Vader hated palpatine
I think Padme would have turned Anakin back to the light if obi wan had not intervened
Good point
I think so too
No way, after he had killed those kids and executed the separatist leaders and enjoyed it, he was too far gone. He was steeped in the dark side.
Anakin was twisted and corrupted. Evil. Endless circle of treachery. Anakin betrayed Mace,Jedi betrayed Anakin(so he thought),clones betrayed Jedi,Anakin wanted to betray Palpatine. Obi-Wan didn't think that way. He stow away on her ship because she refused to tell him where Anakin went. Love story between Revan and Bastila is wonderful. May the Force be with you too. Have amazing day too😊
Padme was that rook that quietly put u in check as a distraction, for that pawn that advanced and promoted to a queen (Obi-Wan Kenobi) to get checkmate (Luzhin defense)
I knew he was gonna go there with the affair thing!!🤣
Not the first time Anakin had that feeling
@@shadowbeast2276 still funny.
@@invasiveinqustiorahahahhah548 we see an echo of this in the clone wars series
@@shadowbeast2276 yeah I know but its funnier with obi wan then it is clovis
@@invasiveinqustiorahahahhah548 this time padme couldn't restrain him. I thought it was more funny how VADER managed to connect with padme's spirit, & she rejected him.
How was Anakin not able to sense Obi-Wan aboard Padme's ship?
yoda did say the dark side clouds everything or something. this probably also applied to anakin post Order 66. now that he eliminated everyone. he is out of his mind and cannot think clear anymore. he never even expected obi wan to be there cause his mind was that clouded, further sensed obi wan was there for anything other than a peaceful resolution also (head canon)
That explains so much how Anakin was feeling in that moment
Yeah seems in the end Padme was the ONLY one NOT betraying someone.
From what's known an Kenobi being whom he was PROBABLY an very highly unlikely Obi was using ANY malice at all... Gotta remember that's a VERY Dark side thing for a JEDI to do. An probably would be riskier for Obi Wan dabbling in Dark side tendencies then Anakin an his Attachment issues
Facts obi wan is also dealing with a Sith Lord at this point too it’s not just anakin anymore like he said at the beginning of ROTS “Sith Lords are our speciality” Jedi have no love for sith which is why obi wan constantly used a dark side move to kill maul in phantom menace and used another one to stop anakin. Now that he disarmed him, his Jedi senses are coming g back as well as his brotherly feeling towards anakin knowing full well he can’t strike him so being the Jedi he was, he left it up to the force and fate for anakin/vader to live or not
damn man you should of put KOTOR spoilers in the title. I haven’t gotten to the part where Bastilla turns to the dark side yet, but we have kissed. And I did watch her get tortured.
And then Vader would go on to withhold no effort; even turning worlds upside down, to try and bring Padme back, even though she weakened him, and in his new form, such weakness was even more of a liability.
In the grip of the paranoia of the dark side and consumed with thoughts of betrayal, madness and stupidity becomes Anakin in respect to how he re3acts to his wife's arrival and Kenobi stowing onboard her ship.
Tunnel vision
Aniken was very untrusting of other men around Padme I’m reading the Trawn Acendancy trilogy again he’s jealous of Trawn when they have Padme around
i never thought of it like this wow 🤯
Had the deleted scenes of her helping form the rebel alliance, then palpatine saying she was hiding something. It feeds his anger that she truely betrayed him
They should have included those scenes because otherwise, Padme is just a pregnant wife. She needed her own scenes in episodes 2 and 3.
@@jasonleetaiwan she was kick butt queen, then as a senator she negotiated aggressively. Then she was sidelined in 3. It would have shown her characters growth. To quote her daughter, it’s not always about jumping in an swing and blowing something up
Everyone knew the war was coming to an end, everyone was vying for power and control, willing to backstab to get it. I partially don’t blame anakin for his turn and thinking that everyone was trying to backstab him. It’s sad really, palpatine was the only person that really made anakin feel like he was on his side. The best thing for him would’ve been to get off coruscant until the war was over
Theres also the fact obi-wan came with the full intention to kill anakin after seeing awaking kill youngling the thought of mercy never entered his mind witch is sad as anakin at that point is hurt, lost and confused and had obi-wan had given padme a holo message of forgiving him and and padme's love in that moment might have tiped the scales twords redemption but over all balance could never have been achieved till the jadi order was massacred simply do to the corruption it would be a interesting point to play with honestly as I have no idea what would unfold had obi-wan and padme redeemed him there.
I am 100% convinced that Padmè could’ve talked him down if Obi-wan didn’t stand there like a bitch out for blood
Have been watching rebels finally. Disney should build around Ezra Bridger for a new Luke Skywalker type character in my opinion. Would be better than Rey. Should do something about the old Republic to
I am starting to think that Anakin was not the chosen one, but that Luke was. Anakin was so weak and selfish and the slightest thing set him off. His constant turmoil is the mark of a weak minded person who is unable to cope with life’s challenges. He turned to evil and got everything he asked for, but with an evil twist.
The Clovis FACTOR.
anakin is a moron to think obiwan and padme would sleep together obiwan follows the jedi code to the letter and padme is not that type of person at all he was a great military commander but sucked at everything else
You can't trust anybody
Perchè?💔
Cool.
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Revan Redeemed and Bastila are the best Jedi couple ❤
I feel this was a bad explanation for confusing moment in sw history. Like the great video just the way it explained in lore.
What if she said harder
Day 494 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
Anakin was right
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Not saying that it's right but after all the shit ye seen in did in his life let alone that day I wouldn't trust anyone either
Right lol