Watched every second of it, and I think this kind of automotive history is fascinating. That was such a classy act to make a donation to their cause at the end of the video--speaks volumes to your character, Sandy. Not sure any other TH-camr would think to make a video like this on an old electric car, but I am so glad you did--great stuff!
The important thing to keep in mind is that, despite the horse and buggy rapidly fading away, the standard for range comparison in that decade was STILL the horse-drawn buggy, which has a typical useful daily round-trip range of 30 miles with a light load. It seems remarkable that the US daily commute is still close to this value!
Lol!!!!! That's only because those care were only capable of doing that! For decades ICE have had over 1000 miles of range on even the largest trucks/vehicles nothing an EV could even do and can't even do! Let's not forget aircrafts, ships ...
0:50 nickel iron battery, with annual electrolyte change, lasted 25 years 2:19 car was featured at Expo '86 3:28 $8K for similar nickel iron battery pack to replace previous lower-cost lead acid batteries 6:10 25 km drive part of 350-car entourage with 10,000 spectators
Thanks for covering the Detroit Electric. It was one of my favorite exhibits at the Fully Charged Show. I spoke to a different old boy about the car who told me the original Edison batteries lasted 80 years and had to finally be replaced because the cases had deteriorated.
Sandy, There was a elderly lady in Lima, Ohio, who drove her Detroit Electric Car to the Lima Town Square until the mid-1960s... Historically 1916-1920 The only 2 USA Continental Highways at the time crossed each other at Lima, Ohio Town Square... The Lincoln Highway from Times Square in New York City to Lincoln Park in San Francisco, California, and the South Dixie Highway from Marie, Michigan to Miami, Florida... !!
That was great to see, thanks for sharing that Sandy. I'm going to have to go visit and check it out myself. It's a shame electric vehicles weren't developed upon further till now
This is Probably the BEST Video I've seen here on MUNRO LIVE. I'am Just behind Sandy in age by a few years and alway's Love the stuff from back in the Day. Ya, it was Old but.... It was OLD, and it was Simple, It could be worked on by most half Intelligent folk's, it was Basic, (advanced) for it's Time, and beautifully Hand Built/Crafted and Made to Last! And that's exactly why it's still here today. What a Gorgeous piece of History Sandy. And Thanks for having it on the Channel. How things were back in the Day. "SIMPLE", and most often would work. And..... NO RECALL'S!!! 😂😎😳....
On Sandy's repeated query about how Women would have handled that electric car, it was primarily targeted for Women. The gas back then was almost the crude oil that was pumped out of the wells. Once you drove the car, you smelled like the oil. So women went for the electric options. And yes girls then knew how to handle their skirts even riding a horse. :)
@@jrharbortproductions yes alot of people are buying EV for the range and it's still super relevant! For things like towing, going overlanding..... we're still waiting for even more range! For example older ICE gets exported to third world countries where they still have all the capabilities plus range.. things that no EVs will do!
Sandy if you care to know a little history-From my brief search hooped skirts in North America were ending after the Civil War Period- servants were needed to assist cumbersome dressing, “Gone With The Wind.” The personal servants required even “when nature called, led to their departure by the 1870’s. Fashion, even for the extremely wealthy, “Titanic”-1912, had become more practical.
If you ever find yourself in Fairbanks Alaska there is an amazing car museum, fountainhead antique auto museum, they had several electric cars of that era
The empress Hotel looks old world elegant/grandeur. As a concept of where to live , a large hotel has alot of positives going for it. Scenery , facilities , served food , opportunities for social interaction , loyal staff etc.
I have a picture of this car on my phone, right now! I don't know if it normally lives there, but I snapped the pic of it when visiting the Stave Lake Powerhouse which is just east of Metro Vancouver in Mission, BC. (I didn't make it to Fully Charged.)
wow! super history! ha! look @ that big ''Detroit'' emblem on the grill ! I bet U could write a book from all that automotive history/ technology, that's under one roof! real nice Sandy!
72 V at 1.2 V (nominal) each implies 60 cells in series; they are marked as 60 amp-hours each. It looks like there are 36 in the front and 24 in the back, so that's 60 in total and so there are none in parallel... that's a 72S 1P configuration. 72 V multiplied by 60 Ah is 4.32 kWh. The range is not given, just that it is more than 25 kilometres. If 25 km takes 4 kWh (for instance), that's 16 kWh/100km, or roughly the same as current battery-electric cars... but of course this is at much lower speed, carrying much less weight and with less space and without any of the safety or comfort features of a modern car.
Love seeing these vintage vehicles. What annoys me is when the EV FUD people say EVs have been around a century and still suck. The reality is EV development has been massively under funded when compared to ICE vehicle tech. It was personal electronics need for better batteries that pushed battery forward which helped get EV tech moving forward in a big way. This is why I say ICE tech is very mature tech, thus hard to get much improvements and EV tech is semi young, thus the massive improvements we have seen in a short period of time and the continued rapid improvements for at least the next couple of decades. Nice job Munro team.
When you factor in all the government incentives for ICE technology, if that type of support were given to the current EV industry you would see a HUGE uptake by the general public.
To get more efficiency out of ICE vehicles, they had to get the car to turn off the engine at red lights! That right there demonstrates that they've hit that local maximum for ICE efficiency. But EV efficiencies are just get'n started.
@@health101DOTorg EVs will get a little more efficient, but what they really need to do is get more numerous. Most EVs can get 4 miles per kwh putzing around town at 30-40 mph, and some wind and solar projects come in at 2 cents/kwh without stinking up the air around them.
Please stop talking crap!!!! The only problem with EVs has always been the batteries; batteries have constantly been developed for all kind of applications like mobile devices and much more. The ICE tech also evolved but in making much bigger and capable véhicules, equipments.....
Sandy, if you want to take a drive in the Detroit electric, try to get in touch with Jay Leno. He has one in his garage, with modern batteries and longer range. Jay is also a big Tesla fan.
Research how gm until the late 1920s had over 40% market share of commercial ev trucks. Ny city had banned gassers at one point back then and had more charging stations per mile than they had gas pumps. What a different world we could have TODAY if cheap oil paid for by nonstop global war, our blood and taxpayer dollars didn't exist. 😏
@@RogerM88 hard to ramp up production? The #1 selling vehicle in the world is an ev, and it's only been on sale since spring of 2020. Built by a company whose only 2 decades old. Yet runs the 2 most efficient automotive plants in the world for the last 3+years. 😎
Jay Leno has an electric car of this era . He drive it to a fancy hotel for diner and an attendant ran out excitedly. When he saw it was Jay, he looked disappointed . Oh it’s you. Who else has a car like this ? Leno asked . An old woman had been driving her car for years as her normal car to the hotel. When Leno tried to find her she had recently died but it was in her family the whole time .
MUNRO live - this Vintage electric car is BETTER than many BEV on roads today, its sad what we lost , going to ICE Combustion. Imagine for a moment , IF Combustion never took off and was Decimated in 1900's and Electrics raised to be the Dominant transportation.
Yeah better than which BEVs on the roads today!? Diy projects from a third world country!? Lol!! The EV lost to the ICE because of range c a capabilities l! Yes the EV could do 0-60 faster but that wasn't what we needed.
You're too funny! With the EVs we would have never have the accomplishments he have today! From the Ford model T to ships, aircrafts, agriculture, mining l, construction equipments and véhicules.... which made this world.
From the small piston engines aircrafts to the mighty Airbus A380 today that can literally fly over 10 hours straight not needed to stop. Let's not forget the concorde and we will never have it as electric! Oh right rockets are another fascinating topic too.
Yup fastest car at the turn of the 20th century was an ev. Porsches first car was an ev the P1. Maybe if Edison's battery factory hadn't mysteriously burned DOWN? Him&Ford would've bought a cheap ev to market like the one they demonstrated succesfully at the world's fair.
Great to see Bruce Stout! I have whiter hair these days, but the same general appearance [sans the top hat]. We were both undergrad students at U.B.C. in Vancouver 1966~1970, and members of several student clubs of the time, including the UBC Film Society [aka FilmSoc - my territory] & PhotoSoc [Bruce's domain - its darkroom was well equipped for making big enlargements from B&W negatives]. Bizarre times, but we don't get to choose. Tuum Est.
Actually this was the reason electric cars were hit then too. The gas was as think and smelly as the crude oil itself. So women took to electric as soon one came about.
78 Volts... I wonder what it would require in order to fold out some solar panels and start feeding electrons while you're enjoying some time at a park!
72 volts - Sandy incorrected said 78 volts and was corrected. That's 72 volts nominally, meaning 60 cells in series at 1.2 volts each. The manufacturer of those cells says that "the battery likes to be charged between 1.6 and 1.8 volts per cell", so 96 V to 108 V to fully charge.
Some people may be looking at this as complicated... just watch a video of someone starting and driving a Model T... it wasnt just the cranking and the smell, it was tremendously complicated to drive. And tiller steering and throttle was preferred because womens garments then often had limited range of motion. You didnt want to rip your bodice just going to market.
Thank you Sandy for supporting and being a member of a great cause.
Sandy needs a top hat
and Monocle and gold cane.
From the way he was talking I though he’d want a hoop skirt and bonnet.
💯
…and spats! 😜
I saw a Detroit Electric at the Reno National Automobile Museum.
If only we’d developed battery technology properly…
Great to meet with you in Vancouver Sandy! Many thanks for your kind interest in my screws! Stay well.
Watched every second of it, and I think this kind of automotive history is fascinating. That was such a classy act to make a donation to their cause at the end of the video--speaks volumes to your character, Sandy. Not sure any other TH-camr would think to make a video like this on an old electric car, but I am so glad you did--great stuff!
The important thing to keep in mind is that, despite the horse and buggy rapidly fading away, the standard for range comparison in that decade was STILL the horse-drawn buggy, which has a typical useful daily round-trip range of 30 miles with a light load. It seems remarkable that the US daily commute is still close to this value!
Lol!!!!! That's only because those care were only capable of doing that! For decades ICE have had over 1000 miles of range on even the largest trucks/vehicles nothing an EV could even do and can't even do! Let's not forget aircrafts, ships ...
@@carholic-sz3qv Who drives a thousand miles a day? At 70mph that is driving for 14+ hrs. without stopping. Dumb comment.
This is so awesome. I’ve heard Jay Leno talk about this car in his videos about his Baker electric
0:50 nickel iron battery, with annual electrolyte change, lasted 25 years 2:19 car was featured at Expo '86 3:28 $8K for similar nickel iron battery pack to replace previous lower-cost lead acid batteries 6:10 25 km drive part of 350-car entourage with 10,000 spectators
Thanks for covering the Detroit Electric. It was one of my favorite exhibits at the Fully Charged Show. I spoke to a different old boy about the car who told me the original Edison batteries lasted 80 years and had to finally be replaced because the cases had deteriorated.
I believe the Studebaker Museum in South Bend, IN has a couple of electric cars of that period. Great place to visit for Sandy
Sandy, There was a elderly lady in Lima, Ohio, who drove her Detroit Electric Car to the Lima Town Square until the mid-1960s... Historically 1916-1920 The only 2 USA Continental Highways at the time crossed each other at Lima, Ohio Town Square... The Lincoln Highway from Times Square in New York City to Lincoln Park in San Francisco, California, and the South Dixie Highway from Marie, Michigan to Miami, Florida... !!
Nicely done, especially the donation! That Sandy is a classy gent.
One of the high lites of the Fully Charged show was to get to see and hear Sandy doing some of the discussions each day
That is a real piece of automotive history, excellent video!
GREAT STORY SANDY ,BRUCE 🤗👍💯😎AND THANK THE REST OF THE MUNRO TEAM FOR SHARING IT 💚💚💚
Loved this. Being from Southern Ontario, I always love the history lessons from 😂Sandy
Thanks!
Thank you!!!!!
That was great to see, thanks for sharing that Sandy. I'm going to have to go visit and check it out myself. It's a shame electric vehicles weren't developed upon further till now
Yes, the Empress is awesome. The food is also awesome. The location is also awesome. What's not to like!?
Waiting for the ferry!! otherwise Victoria is a fantastic city
I've been to the Empress a couple of times over the years, neat place to have tea
This is Probably the BEST Video I've seen here on MUNRO LIVE. I'am Just behind Sandy in age by a few years and alway's Love the stuff from back in the Day. Ya, it was Old but.... It was OLD, and it was Simple, It could be worked on by most half Intelligent folk's, it was Basic, (advanced) for it's Time, and beautifully Hand Built/Crafted and Made to Last! And that's exactly why it's still here today. What a Gorgeous piece of History Sandy. And Thanks for having it on the Channel. How things were back in the Day. "SIMPLE", and most often would work. And..... NO RECALL'S!!! 😂😎😳....
Thank you for joining!
Great video. The original New York City taxi fleets were all electric during the 1900-1910s.
On Sandy's repeated query about how Women would have handled that electric car, it was primarily targeted for Women. The gas back then was almost the crude oil that was pumped out of the wells. Once you drove the car, you smelled like the oil. So women went for the electric options. And yes girls then knew how to handle their skirts even riding a horse. :)
Plus you didn't have to break an arm to crank start it every time you went for a drive!
@@jrharbortproductionsplus the gas car had significantly way more range than the EV hence why it got over it lol!!
@@carholic-sz3qv People weren't buying BEV for the range at the time. That is irrelevant.
@@jrharbortproductions yes alot of people are buying EV for the range and it's still super relevant! For things like towing, going overlanding..... we're still waiting for even more range! For example older ICE gets exported to third world countries where they still have all the capabilities plus range.. things that no EVs will do!
Sandy if you care to know a little history-From my brief search hooped skirts in North America were ending after the Civil War Period- servants were needed to assist cumbersome dressing, “Gone With The Wind.” The personal servants required even “when nature called, led to their departure by the 1870’s. Fashion, even for the extremely wealthy, “Titanic”-1912, had become more practical.
I would Love to see a new Detroit Electric motor company start.
wont happen , the Chinese will bankrupt gm & FUD motors.
GM?
@@nononsenseBennett - heading toward BANKRUPT.
What an epic piece of equipment and very important part of the car and EV history
If you ever find yourself in Fairbanks Alaska there is an amazing car museum, fountainhead antique auto museum, they had several electric cars of that era
Damn, Sandy, when I didn't think I could love you more... my family spent Christmas at the Empress when I was 12 and it's MY favorite place too ❤
Love it, Sandy is a national treasure
just imagine if EVs still exist from that era!
lol....and then you watch a video of one that exists from that era
They could make a video, and call it "This EV is Over a Century Old!"
They do. I owned one that pre-dated the Detorit Electric, an 1899 Sperry. There ore hundreds of surviving EVs dating from before WW1 world-wide
The empress Hotel looks old world elegant/grandeur. As a concept of where to live , a large hotel has alot of positives going for it. Scenery , facilities , served food , opportunities for social interaction , loyal staff etc.
I have a picture of this car on my phone, right now! I don't know if it normally lives there, but I snapped the pic of it when visiting the Stave Lake Powerhouse which is just east of Metro Vancouver in Mission, BC. (I didn't make it to Fully Charged.)
Come to Mattsee in Austria to see Ferdinand Porsches first EV - dating 1896!
The emergency brake was clearly designed by the same guy that designed the frunk latch on the model 3 😂 gets Sandy every time!
Bravo Sandy, what goes around comes around...Top Man
Thanks for sharing this nice unexpected encounter.
Our pleasure!
wow! super history! ha! look @ that big ''Detroit'' emblem on the grill ! I bet U could write a book from all that automotive history/ technology, that's under one roof! real nice Sandy!
Back in 1912 FSD was $200 but only available in the Plaid model
Cheers guys
Cheers
Who knew Dr. Demento was into EVs...
Sorry, couldn't resist Bruce, love the outfit. Cool video.
Awesome to see your in Bc sandy !
Vancouver is my home town!
At first, I thought that was Dr. Demento!
72 V at 1.2 V (nominal) each implies 60 cells in series; they are marked as 60 amp-hours each. It looks like there are 36 in the front and 24 in the back, so that's 60 in total and so there are none in parallel... that's a 72S 1P configuration. 72 V multiplied by 60 Ah is 4.32 kWh.
The range is not given, just that it is more than 25 kilometres. If 25 km takes 4 kWh (for instance), that's 16 kWh/100km, or roughly the same as current battery-electric cars... but of course this is at much lower speed, carrying much less weight and with less space and without any of the safety or comfort features of a modern car.
Love seeing these vintage vehicles.
What annoys me is when the EV FUD people say EVs have been around a century and still suck. The reality is EV development has been massively under funded when compared to ICE vehicle tech. It was personal electronics need for better batteries that pushed battery forward which helped get EV tech moving forward in a big way. This is why I say ICE tech is very mature tech, thus hard to get much improvements and EV tech is semi young, thus the massive improvements we have seen in a short period of time and the continued rapid improvements for at least the next couple of decades.
Nice job Munro team.
When you factor in all the government incentives for ICE technology, if that type of support were given to the current EV industry you would see a HUGE uptake by the general public.
@@nononsenseBennettThe uptake it's up over 50% from last year, and we are around 7.5%. So we need about 4 doublings to take it all.
To get more efficiency out of ICE vehicles, they had to get the car to turn off the engine at red lights! That right there demonstrates that they've hit that local maximum for ICE efficiency. But EV efficiencies are just get'n started.
@@health101DOTorg EVs will get a little more efficient, but what they really need to do is get more numerous. Most EVs can get 4 miles per kwh putzing around town at 30-40 mph, and some wind and solar projects come in at 2 cents/kwh without stinking up the air around them.
Please stop talking crap!!!! The only problem with EVs has always been the batteries; batteries have constantly been developed for all kind of applications like mobile devices and much more. The ICE tech also evolved but in making much bigger and capable véhicules, equipments.....
Great video!
Don't forget the Lunar Rovers from the 70s by GM/Boeing... An outer space EV
This is so awesome 👏 👏👏
AWESOME!!!!
Thanks!!
Great car Jay Lino has one too I believe.
Really really cool!
Sandy, if you want to take a drive in the Detroit electric, try to get in touch with Jay Leno. He has one in his garage, with modern batteries and longer range. Jay is also a big Tesla fan.
Well said from a veteran in the industry
One can only wonder what life could have been like if it was electric back in the 1900's
EVs were very popular!
Research how gm until the late 1920s had over 40% market share of commercial ev trucks.
Ny city had banned gassers at one point back then and had more charging stations per mile than they had gas pumps.
What a different world we could have TODAY if cheap oil paid for by nonstop global war, our blood and taxpayer dollars didn't exist. 😏
And we had electric street cars
Not that great, because a BEV would be too expensive to the mainstream and hard to ramp up production. As by now way more technological primitive.
@@RogerM88 hard to ramp up production? The #1 selling vehicle in the world is an ev, and it's only been on sale since spring of 2020.
Built by a company whose only 2 decades old. Yet runs the 2 most efficient automotive plants in the world for the last 3+years. 😎
I enjoyed this video. Jay Leno has a Baker Electric and has a video about it.
Jay Leno has an electric car of this era . He drive it to a fancy hotel for diner and an attendant ran out excitedly.
When he saw it was Jay, he looked disappointed . Oh it’s you.
Who else has a car like this ? Leno asked .
An old woman had been driving her car for years as her normal car to the hotel.
When Leno tried to find her she had recently died but it was in her family the whole time .
So cool!
Very cool.
That was cute. Such ingenuity.
thats so cool. when is the teardown?
Much like the Baker , I gotta get me one of those .
MUNRO live - this Vintage electric car is BETTER than many BEV on roads today, its sad what we lost , going to ICE Combustion. Imagine for a moment , IF Combustion never took off and was Decimated in 1900's and Electrics raised to be the Dominant transportation.
Yeah better than which BEVs on the roads today!? Diy projects from a third world country!? Lol!! The EV lost to the ICE because of range c a capabilities l! Yes the EV could do 0-60 faster but that wasn't what we needed.
You're too funny! With the EVs we would have never have the accomplishments he have today! From the Ford model T to ships, aircrafts, agriculture, mining l, construction equipments and véhicules.... which made this world.
Everything from the grid hydroelectric dams to bridges, railway, agriculture, even communication.... EVs would have not made them evolve!
From the small piston engines aircrafts to the mighty Airbus A380 today that can literally fly over 10 hours straight not needed to stop. Let's not forget the concorde and we will never have it as electric! Oh right rockets are another fascinating topic too.
Redshirt = satisfactory brother 💪
Great vehicle!
Jay Leno has a 1909 Baker Electric.
Sandy should look into the 1830s EV.
Yup fastest car at the turn of the 20th century was an ev. Porsches first car was an ev the P1.
Maybe if Edison's battery factory hadn't mysteriously burned DOWN?
Him&Ford would've bought a cheap ev to market like the one they demonstrated succesfully at the world's fair.
@4literv6 Which World's Fair did this take place?
You should make a visit to Autostadt in Wolfsburg!
Yeah! I really want to see that gigantic railway park plus the car tower! It's fascinating! I've never been there.
I saw this car at the show.
Sandy is one person who walks the walk and could have made the American Car company’s extremely Great!
Well that's just cool. ❤
It's raining hard in Vancouver.
Astonishing on battery life. What was the range on one charge? Did I hear 25 km?
Very similar to some current EV's :-)
Love your boots Sandy! Where can i get some? We have plenty of Croc leather in Australia!!
My wedding car was Winston Churchill old Rolls Royce, and I did wear my top hat in the car.
Great to see Bruce Stout! I have whiter hair these days, but the same general appearance [sans the top hat]. We were both undergrad students at U.B.C. in Vancouver 1966~1970, and members of several student clubs of the time, including the UBC Film Society [aka FilmSoc - my territory] & PhotoSoc [Bruce's domain - its darkroom was well equipped for making big enlargements from B&W negatives]. Bizarre times, but we don't get to choose. Tuum Est.
Someone should manufacture a NEV in the style of something like this
Jay Leno would probably love to have it... if it ever has an expensive breakdown.
Imagine what could have been if GM did sit on their collective asses for the last 40 years. Sad. Thanks for sharing
9:31 this is funny because I bought my wife a model 3 because she hated the smell of gas and was terrified of pumping gas herself.
Actually this was the reason electric cars were hit then too. The gas was as think and smelly as the crude oil itself. So women took to electric as soon one came about.
Lol!!!! What a joke!! Today I can even stand around a giant semi truck diesel that hauls over 200,000lbs and not smell nothing!
So the past is the future 😮 .
Review the MG4?
Interesting! But no teardown on this one? ;-)
Well....NiMH
YES
Looks like Jay Leno's electric car.
I love this guy using suggestive selling on Sandy 25,50 do I hear 100 😂
78 Volts... I wonder what it would require in order to fold out some solar panels and start feeding electrons while you're enjoying some time at a park!
72 volts - Sandy incorrected said 78 volts and was corrected.
That's 72 volts nominally, meaning 60 cells in series at 1.2 volts each. The manufacturer of those cells says that "the battery likes to be charged between 1.6 and 1.8 volts per cell", so 96 V to 108 V to fully charge.
Nickle iron batteries were indestructible.
No shot of the motor?? I'm not asking for a complete teardown
Parece que hemos avanzado algo
Sandy, you might be surprised to learn that there was an electric tank built during WW2 and it was still on premises of Tacom in warren, mi as of 1999
If that money were US dollars, it would have bought another year.
Wish someone would build Old style rods like that with Tesla drive,😂
Too bad Sandy did not get to ride it. I did, in Denmark! th-cam.com/video/or_YOYYHNa4/w-d-xo.html
Very cool! Thank you for sharing!
72 volt 'zipper' torq!
Isn't there a bit of history to explain about how EVs were competing with ICE at this time?
It would be cool to tear that thing apart, especially the motor!
Need to clean them white walls on them tires.
Some people may be looking at this as complicated... just watch a video of someone starting and driving a Model T... it wasnt just the cranking and the smell, it was tremendously complicated to drive. And tiller steering and throttle was preferred because womens garments then often had limited range of motion. You didnt want to rip your bodice just going to market.
Lol!!!! It literally doesn't matter because the model T had more range and more capabilities si it was much more usable as a vehicle.
Yes the EV could accelerate quicker but had less speed and also couldn't keep for long while the ICE literally was much better.
this show is enjoyable when their isn't any burger queens or fairies !
How are the panel gaps, lol