This IRONHEAD Motor WON'T WORK For This FRAME As Is / Left To Right Shift And A Kick Start Problem
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2020
- Working again on the 76 Harley Davidson Ironhead Sportster Chopper Project. I made a discovery after the my last live video that the crossover shifter shaft that I found that I thought I needed turned out to be of no use to me anyway. It is of no use, because this frame is meant for a 1957 to a 1974 sportster with right side shift; not for a 1975 to 1976 with left side shift.
That soon became obvious as I saw that the tubing for the crossover shaft is in a different position; meant to work with a crossover shaft for the rear brake; not for the shifter. So I thought to myself: instead of modifying my existing equipment to make it work anyway (which would be rather sketchy), I'm already planning to go into the primary to investigate why the kick starter doesn't want to stay fully engaged during a full kick. While I'm there, why not remove the exposed four bolts on the trap door of the transmission and pull it?
With the transmission out, I could get a good look at how everything looks, and perhaps see about how to go from a left side shift back to a right side shift. So as I'm typing out this description, everything is apart, and I am currently waiting on the parts to make this bike a right side shift in order to run this motor in this frame.
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I'm nobody's idea of a mechanic but I really do enjoy your videos.
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Even if I never work on an Iron Head I love the history lesson. You, sir, have a wealth of information and I am glad that you have decided to share it.
watch out if you start working on Ironheads,everyone disses them but start working on them and you will love them.
Man, it won't hurt ya, I take them all off but the top one. Then I start taking it off the bottom pops out. Once the tension is off the spring you can remove easily. Now,,, putting it back on is a whole other thing.
Hey Saddle Tramp...you are a man of my caliber. My father always told me ( If man made it, and put it together, you can do it ) . You think and think and figure how to do things. Some of the times not so Safe ! Good job. Rico from Arizona 😎🌵🌴🇺🇸
Necessity is the Mother of Invention. Sometimes a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do to get the job done!! Great video Saddle Tramp, she's gonna be better than new when you're done... 💯
Thanks Johnny. I sure hope so.
Good idea on the ratchet strap. When I did mine I made the tool to hold it down. You’re idea is a time saver.
Old video but just what I needed to see. I have a 71 that has a kick only, but the case is ready for a starter and as I’m getting older (still a young pup to some of y’all at 32) there’s days I just don’t want to kick. So this showed me exactly what I needed to do. My clutch doesn’t have the gear I need on it. Off to look for the right part now!
It may be easier to find a clutch basket with ring gear already on it. Try ebay.
My brother had a newer ironhead sportster where someone had used an older 1968 frame on a newer drive train. He had an issue where the drive chain would occasionally contact the oil tank among some other minor issues. His solution was to get the correct frame, which he did and then everything lined up correctly.
Now that was an awesome episode! I admire your patience, thumbs up!
The quality,knowledge and entertainment your videos provide,it’s my pleasure to give this a thumbs up. Stay safe.
Very educational. Thank you for sharing. Knowledge is power, share the power!😬
That puller you used for sprocket I once bolted one to a two inch flat steel with holes in Wright spots to pull clutch
You did a very good to figure out how this can go, congrats mate!
Wow that's a lot of thought that went into that who would have thought switch sides that's awesome thinking man .thanks for sharing man.
Fantastic watching your shop time . Your really improving on you video quality. Dig watching what you come across and overcome in your endeavor. PEACE
Great job I love watching your iron head build there is no quick way to a good build .
Great video Tramp and even greater that you can still get the parts in good nick.
HeySaddle Tramp, I remember that pressure plate problem also, I used a big 3 jaw gear puller and hooked it on the back of the clutch basket and screwed the center screw right into the plate bearing, Works like a charm and costs nada! Your videos are cool keep 'em comeing.
Yep, I use a 3 jaw puller on my '79; ideal for getting the plate off, and just about do-able for getting it back on.
I don't know why you say you are not a good mechanic, you really know a lot.
It's only because I've been there before. But thanks.
Genius!!! And also s man who loves to tinker with Harley’s. I really love watchin you wrench because you really know what you’re doing. Here’s to your brother 🍺
some good info. I love learning new stuff about old bikes. Take Care
Like what you are doing here. It's good to see a Biker doing the technical stuff. Reminds me of my 76 xlch.... way to much fun on that bike. Keep it coming back for more.. Richard 76xlch.
so sick! thanks for sharing your wisdom ! so informative and interesting!
One step forward two steps back, seems like a new challenge along every step of the way. It will get there. Loving the videos
Very interesting video! Not always easy to build your own bike. Often you've to brainstorm, but that's a part of personal satisfaction to create something. Nice job, good luck man👍
I haven't watched your channel in several months, but in that short time you went from asking how to advice to telling people how to. Very nice!!!
Very good job. I'm looking forward to watching how all is going on. Thanks for the vid. 👍
I'm curious as to how it'll turn out too.
Awesome information 👍. Mine too s a 75 1/2 LOL. Your ability to adapt is inspirational
Old school man way cool. You have the knowledge of years working with these beautifully simplistic motors. I love old V twins just nothing like them. You can have your high tech but for me that's the ticket. Thanks Tramp.
I have a 1974 frame and 75 motor set up. Who ever built the frame back when it was hardtailed seemed to have got it together so it all works.
I have had my hand on the ye old shovel sportster back in the late 1980s It was a 77 sportster. It had the electric starter with the swing arm frame with side shocks all original. I had to chane all those case needle bearings for the four cams as well as the cam cover 4 bushings and the transission main shaft was shot and wiggled up and down, so I had the bearings all replaced in that by a harley shop and i believe digger as was his nae had to replace that mainshaft. Then an upper engine bore out because for how ever it got the way it was had standard pistons in cylinders that were 40k over creating a piston to wall clearance of 45 thousandths (horrible), so the jugs were bored out to 60 over and I bought 60 over pistons and that worked out good. . Here are same things I liked about the design. An engine oil vent which came out of the cam cover in front and went to the back of the air cleaner, but I took rubber fuel line and ran it above the top of the chain so that any blow by would help to keep my chain oiled .
That right hand shifter is a real mind teaser when you ride 3 other machines with the standardized left hand. I ripped my bike between stopplights and about killed myself stomping on the shifter to stop in time. If thats how you decide to solve the issue its your rde. i ciuldnt stand it on my 72 so i put 75 crossover in it and reworked my brake up to my right forward control. You have a real old school aproach and love for that look. Going to be a sweet ride. wrenching in a old shed with dirt floors is about as real as it gets and most likely relates to 90 percent of us watching you. the last time i used a ratchet strap for a makeshift tool i woke up 2 hrs later with sunburn and a shiner!!! lol ! work with what you got right. i could keep going but enough blabber! I Like you videos. keep it going !!
Lol. Sunburn and a shiner. That's funny. That's why I said don't try this at home.
Can't wait to see what you got going on. If you're ever in Oklahoma like to meet up with you and do some riding with you.
Love to watch you figure out your ride. This Video made me tickled that I'm NOT smart enough to work on a Iron Head. I'll stick with my EVO and 88 T.C./ carb jobs. Great Video.
Them straps come in handy. Hat a flat on a lawn tractor that wouldn't seat not even with starter fluid. I wrapped the tire a tightened till the side walls flexed out. Hit it with air and beat it with a small mull hammer and it took about 15 minutes compared to the 45 fighting it otherwise. Was hard to loosen the strap but I kept airing it till it seated and began to fill.
Well, the more problems you encounter the more videos you can make. Looking forward to seeing this completed.
Been a while since I dropped in on one of your videos. You've got the editing and production down to a T - great spending time in your workshop with you.
Much appreciated!
When it comes to working on bikes, the only difference between me and you is that you actually know what you're doing lol. Good video man.
Great information man,
Thanks
Glad to have found your channel. Just bought a 74 ironhead to have as a project. And boy is it a project...
Thanks for coming along, man. Means a lot. Thank you.
I got a 80 ironhead, love the videos.
Great info this was something I always wanted know. Great content thanks for sharing... I am going to add this vid to my saved folder.
I like your use of that great southern Music and commercial for the lawyer classic. I really like watching you do this kind of stuff so over my ability liked this video very much looking forward to seeing it completed.
good vid, not been an iron head rider i found that very interesting... can't wait for the out come now
Ive been loosely following your videos for quite some while, but I came across a 1975 XLH 1000 (11,248 miles) purely by chance, so now I will be focusing on your series about building these bad ass old Ironhead Sportster's. I have been riding a 75 FX Harley (that I built on my porch while doing parole) nearly 10 years ago. It's a nice bike and I love it. There's nothing else like it. I love these old bikes! Anyways, I digress... this Ironhead has been sitting in my buddy's garage for at least 10 years (He lost count!) It's all twacked out, to say the least, but I'm gonna hook it up over the next few months. I built up a 74 Ironhead when I was a youngster (early eighties), and it was my first Harley. That Sportster is long gone now, but the tattoo of the Harley wings on my shoulder are still remaining from when I first got it! Ha ha! Along with this urge to wrench and ride old Harley,s firmly set in my heart! Thanks a million for sharing your knowledge, and have a cool day!
Thank you, Dave. I try my best, but remember I'm no pro.
I have an 85 with a weld on rigid rear but I wish it was a kicker. Digging your ride man.
Looking good man!
Good job like in the good old days on the side of the road 👍You’re a real biker bro the way we like it . Good job
Thanks, Christian. Just trying to keep it real
I had a 1933 Flathead Harley at the same time I had my 48 Indian Chief. One was left hand tank shift and one was right hand tank shift with reverse throttles. That screwed me up and i almost hit a car on the Indian so my cousin made the Indian left and shift right hand throttle so it was like the Harley. He had warned me about riding both bikes with different controls I should have listened he has been riding since 1956 and is the best machinist and bike mechanic i ever knew. He still rides and is building a 47 Indian now and he will be 80 in Aug.
That's going to be exactly what that scoot was intended to be....old school Iron, all the way....Looking forward to watching that machine come together...Great video Saddle Tramp.
Old school..iron is the greatest harley for me and they were way better built
impressive stuff, at the point where i would get too frustrated and have someone do it for me, you just find a solution and keep going!
Glad I could help
I’m having similar challenges right now trying to put a 1979 XL motor in a 1975 frame. I ended up cutting the “footpeg bracket shafts/crossover” off the ‘75 frame so I had clearance for the sump pan added to XL cases in 1977. I’ve had to chase down all the 1977-78 rear (drum) brake control parts. The ‘79 originally had a rear disc brake and the footpeg brackets bolt to the motor, not the frame (1952-1976). All this work to get rid of the ugliest factory frame of all time.
So very impressive your knowledge and skill. So unlike me. If I had your skills I'd have a lot more bikes.
Damn that brought back some memories! Better you than me. Just Joking maybe.
man, you are a deep wrench.
Man, that was good thinking on your part changing to right side shift what a easy fix. Well I know it wasn't that easy but better than what you had for sure. At least your friends won't ask to ride your bike because the right hand shift. LOL. Good job man
Lol. Never thought of that. Good one
Great video, awesome bike. Thanks again SaddleTramp!
Actually... Thank You
Great job and video 👍👍🇨🇱
I just love your channel dude...the Blues were nice too!
Can't wait to see how you get that clutch back together using that strap!!
Me too
The McGiver in you will have it figured out one way or another I'm sure!
Thanks for the video!
e up all night again working and saw this as i was closing stuff out, I was going to watch before I crash but it says "Set Reminder" LOL Never even seen that before! LOL so I gotta see wth that is right? see ya later man! already pre liked LOL
Hi my friend , good luck and Nice job
Thank you 👍
Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat- nothing up my sleeve.. It's awesome how you get around some speed humps brother!
Enjoyed that video. If you can go a little more into left hand or right hand shifter
Right hand shift...just like the Good Lord intended for an ironhead. It took a bit to get used to the right hand shift when I got my 74, but now I'm used to it. I got rid of my kickstart completely after the ratchet plate let go on me, put a Cycle Tech starter on it. A piece of hardwood flooring and two threaded rods has worked for me to compress the clutch spring many times.
Right on, man.
Remember as teenagers when we had to find these parts before the internet....😫 There is so much more joy in riding a scoot that was glued, tie wrapped and duct taped by your own hands rather than an engine swap. If it’s not pissing oil and rattling bolts off in the first thousand miles then you know you did something wrong lol 😂 Well heck Trampster, keep up the good work
Check the rachet plate on the back of the clutch hub. Most likely worn.
Make sure you shim the inner shifter shaft with washers or you can shim the pawl assembly. If you don't you might have trouble with that ball popping out of the cradle in the pawl assembly.
While I’m in there.....love it
Rt shift just like my Norton, sweet
Hey bud, you should bolt some aluminum L stock or something to that overhead garage door before you loose it completely. I never noticed it being tore up in other videos. Must of gotten worse recently ? Have a good one and take it easy !!!
Loved the history lesson on the Sportster as you wrenched away on it! I really enjoy watching everything come together or come apart lol! Can't wait for the next episode of the ironhead build saga! Ride and stay safe!
You can't imagine how may parts I have bought that, if I had to guess the person that made them has actually never seen a Harley, much less ever worked on one.
75 & 76 was a band aid from factory to comply with government mandate for standardize all to left shift. Agree, cable rear brake poor at best. They finally did it "right" in 77. Own a 1974 & 1976. Switching from one to the other can really play with your head for shifting/braking.
Yeah I reckon so. I'm bracing myself for the first ride after start up. Lol
been using a large 3 jaw puller to remove and install pressure plate and springs for over 40 years, use new nylock nuts for pressure plate when reassembling.
I have 74 been working on it also...I like right side shift
Just bought a 71 ironhead with a frame exactly like yours , can you fill me in on who made it and where you got it ,having that info will keep me from having to say "I don't know" whenever someone asks, great video I will be doing a lot of what you did in your build , thanks for the help .
I believe it's made by Paughco judging by how it's constructed. Someone was selling it on ebay for next to nothing.
Aiiii en que LIO te has metido, amigo ! And I told you nicely to buy Sportster 2006, last one with carb, everything aligned perfectly, but you just like trouble....😊😊😊
Awesome info for bikes your like bike whisperer
Not really, but thanks! That's a first being called that!
Man, I'd be going nuts on this one here LOL. I dont have a Harley problem... yet. LOL
That's a cool bike you want to sell it I love it I love your show man
Not right now, but thanks for asking.
This is something i went through.. 77 was the year harley retooled for the left side shifter shaft.. i have a 76 chopper build.. that i turned into a left foot clutch.. right side jockey.. had to remove and plug the shifter shaft.. cause i used a 200 rear.. which required a 1" off set front sprocket.. which mean i had to completely remove the kicker.. i went through all kinds of bs tryin to build my chopper lol
Choppers: taking a bunch of parts that were never meant to go together and making it work anyway. Gotta love it though.
I can really identify with your situation there - I have a habit of picking things that are not quite compatible. Then there is lots if work to make things fit - I lost count of the amount of times I later find something available that does the job I struggled with to make things work together - usually at less than half the financial cost.
I suppose you are lucky that the bikes you are miss-matching were 'transitional models' ....
Good luck, and I hope no one says that line ' You don't help yourself much - doing things the hard way...' I always reply that it is so much fun solving problems whilst keeping quiet about the fact that I feel a real dumbass..... not calling you one though Tramp !
Keeps things interesting.
I try
Great educational video 👍 also if your ever in the Stillwater Oklahoma area, give me a call , I’ll fix you up with a good ole steak and a beverage if your choice. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸. Ride safe my friend 👍🙏 May god be with you on your journeys and adventures.🙏
Hey..! Have watched some of your videos, interestingly enough i have done similar work on my motorcycles, the difference is that You have been lucky to get it work.. me still struggling with repairs...! Need help on a kick start installed on a FXSB Low Rider, it does not engage, so it does not start....! Have checked the spring, the one you showed on this video.. it seems to he doing its job, so i don't knw what is wrong with it...!
Not sure what to tell you. I'd have to be there to see what's going on. Never messed with a big twin kick starter.
See you tonight brother. 😎
@Saddletramp I have loads of right hand shift parts and the clutch compressor if you need it.!
...and this is a perfect example of what a true biker community is 👍🏻
Sure man! I'll take whatever you got. I'm always finding out new scenarios I didn't see coming. You can send to my P.O. box. Thanks!!
P.O. Box 3241
Gulfport, MS 39505
i had a 76 the nice thing is you can push the bushing out and convert it to a right foot shift which i eventually did. mine eventually became a stroker and no matter what we did with clutch messing with the trans etc could not get the bike to to come out of first gear with a load on it and that is when it was left foot shift so my friend shadow who is a master mechanic for harley said screw it get rid of all the bullshit and make it right foot .which we did i dont remember if it cured the stuck in first problem but got rid of all the bullshit they put on 75/76 sportsters oh i do remember we put a barnett kevlar cluth in it and that cured the stuck in first problem.one can of worms opens another can never fails actually after watcing your vid it i remember how involved it was changing it over.those damn needle bearings.newer sportsters used a caged bearing so much better.great video tramp!!!!
Yeah they had a lot of problems in 75 & 76 with all the extra linkage causing issues in the shifting. That's why the reconfigured everything in 77 by relocating the shifter pawl shaft; causing it to come out through the left side of the case and out the primary. That fixed everything.
Enjoyed watching you burn some brain cells figuring it all out. Really good video. Loved the tunes.
I'm not too sure,but isn't there a shim that goes on the main output shaft of the transmission,that if you don't get it in there,or forget it,you won't have 3rd gear? It's a great looking bike,but I understand that a lot of those parts are almost inaccessible these days! Snowing yet again here in Indiana.. My shovel is almost ready to go for the year,too! Good luck, and God bless you in whatever you do. Peace.
It's on there.
th-cam.com/video/HXPZFOSOC08/w-d-xo.html
The part you could use is likely for the late model. I'm not trying to criticize. I enjoy your program .
I should say that the change your dealing with took place in the late model .
Hey brother, question. I have a 1979 motor and I have an early frame like that. If I keep the left side shifter and use a hydraulic brake for the rear what would need to be done to be able to put that motor in there? I’m gonna use forward controls also. So basically it’s a welded rigid frame and I’m going to use forward controls with a left side shift for the 1979 and hydraulic brake for the rear brake anyway so I don’t need any linkages. What do you think about getting the motor in there? I guess the shifter doesn’t have any effect on anything because it doesn’t attach to the frame at all but the break won’t either since it will be hydraulic from the forward control with a disc in the rear. But I hear about clearance issues for the motor.
I would think that if the holes match up on the motor mounts, you shouldn't have any issues with fitment.
Shifter wont work with frame? Had a friend with one that constantly kept breaking
You should while you are there check the transmission case for cracks ,they are notorious for breaking there . That's about all I know about the Iron Head.Definity liked the JF Gloss "Walking back home" added to my playlist.
No cracks that I can see.
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As always, projects turn into bigger projects but we all look forward to the end result.
Indeed they do
They only made a few 1000 in 71, now if you really lucked out and could find a 1970 XR 750 what a find that would be! I,d give a left nut for that engine....
Hey man I hate to ask because I'm sure you have answered this before but where did you source your frame for the build from? New to this and wanting to peace me one together and don't like the idea of the weld in hard tail.
I found it as a good deal on ebay.
Always a way to make just about anything work with older Harleys.