Steering Truth: A Conversation with Buell Wesley Frazier
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- To commemorate the 58th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination on November 22, 2021, The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza presented a special conversation with former Texas School Book Depository employee Buell Wesley Frazier. Nineteen years old in 1963, Frazier trained fellow Depository employee Lee Harvey Oswald and drove Oswald to work occasionally, including on November 22, 1963. After witnessing the assassination, Frazier was detained and questioned by Dallas police. He later testified at length before the Warren Commission, particularly regarding the package that he observed Oswald carrying that morning.
Signed copies of Mr. Frazier’s autobiography, Steering Truth, are available in the Museum’s online store (store.jfk.org). To see related films, photos, documents and oral histories from The Sixth Floor Museum's collection, visit our online collections database (emuseum.jfk.org).
Of all the people involved in the story of this national tragedy, Mr. Frazier is one of my favorite persons. He was and is a man of integrity, honesty and courage. He also puts the tragedy in its proper context as a puzzle still unsolved. I wish him well.
You need to look at his history in this matter. He has no integrity and has lied and changed his testimony more times than you can count.
@@dlcandmetrue that. integrity my ass. look when they show the photo of Lee, Buell cant even look at it. the guilt about the curtain rod lie must be immense.
I highly recommend some deeper research, you might even posthumously apology to Lee for what you just said. :)
He also did put his bricks in the wall of critical lies about poor Lee Harvey...
One interesting detail I caught I was that the TSBD employees didn't know if they were going to be able to go outside and watch the motorcade until that morning. That certainly makes it hard for Lee or anyone else to plan shots from that building, since most of the employees could have been inside at the time of the motorcade passing.
Oswald knew people would be on tbeir lunch hour.
The motorcade was also running 10 to 15min late. The Warren commissions timeline is just so completely fucked I just laugh.
@@randyharris3175 how do you know?
But Oswald would have known. Kennedy was coming by the building because he always read the paper from the previous day in the break room. Which would have provided the appropriate time Kennedy would have been there which would
@@user-ny6lo9vv8x How do.I know people would be on their lunch.hour? The time was listed the Luncheon had a specific time start. Oswald didn't know he would be able to pull it off when he left that morning
This guy is a tragic figure. He was not mentally emotionally robust enough to endure browbeating interviews by Fritz his late memories 50 years later something so enormously consequential is puzzling, best. Still, whatever is motives or memory, he seems like a kind, gentle, simple man.and I wish him the best
Thank you, Buell Wesley Frazier, for your life of integrity and wisdom and for sharing your honest thoughts and remembrances of that event you were at the center of 68 years ago. I, too, grew up in Dallas and was 15 years old when I saw the President and First Lady arrive at Love Field. Bt the time I got back to school to tell everyone I had seen the President the news of his death had been announced and the buses were lined up to take us home. Nothing since has had as great an emotional impact on me as the events of November 22, 1963 even though, as an adult, I lived only blocks from the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. The assassination of JFK changed everything and nothing will ever be the same again. You and I have had 60 years to ponder the causes and meaning of that event. I think we both have come to realize that it was a conspiracy and, whatever role Lee Oswald might have played, he was not an assassin. When you describe that oak tree at Ruth Paine's house and the delight of your nieces and the other children playing with Lee my heart feels like it will burst. Like you, I still hope that the puzzle will be solved and someday we all will know the truth.
New information and how it falls on the believability scale
1. That Fritz threatened him and tried to get him to decide a confession. Beleievable. Fritz at one point in his career had "solved" 656 out of 666 murders. Which is absolutely impossible, even with modern forensics, without framing a lot of people. And obviously it is a consideration with the case against Oswald - especially when considering he was kept away from legal assistance, and he was murdered during a police transfer, despite the Dallas Police, the FBI and and Sheriff's Office all receiving threats that Oswald would be killed during that very transfer. Worse still is that the murder happened while Fritz's own plan to protect him was being used. This includeda tight 4 man press around the prisoner. The kill shot only became possible when the designer of this plan - Fritz - broke that formation by a few yards to open the transfer car door - as if no one else could have opened it.
2. That Oswald was "different", didn't fit in and was made fun of. Believable. Oswald was ,ost likely on the Autism spectrum.
3. The immaculately dressed man in fedora who put a rifle in the car. Not believable, nor his his story about blocking it from memory until his book. It was an invention used as a hook to sell books. Had there been such a man - he would have stood out like a sore thumb and someone else would have reported him.
4. Seeing Lee leave from the back. Didn't happen. Lee left from the front and there is a ton of evidence for this.
Point 4,James Worrell also id him leaving via rear and crossing Houston.But this is only chasing noise to me,he was seen at multiple points to final location in theater and that's that.
@@MrLeslloyd Two Oswalds were taken from the Texas Theatre - confirmed by two credible witnesses with zero motive to lie.
@@wallacebell4311I believe he was asked by Robert McNeil for a phone.
@gregparker Actually another guy saw a similar person, if anything Frasier might have gotten the story idea from him…. yeah it felt like it was getting deep there lol…. “The man put the gun in his back seat then closed the trunk”? Am I missing something about old cars lol, you have to open the trunk to get to the back seat? (Sarcasm) And if the trunk was open why not put the gun in there lol?
I'm younger than Mr. Frazier yet I remember that day. I was in first grade 7 years old. I remember my teacher crying like she lost something dear to her. My maternal grandparents were living that day, my parents were both alive that day and 3 older siblings were alive that day and our neighbors were directly next door. I list them all because today they are all dead. My father never believed Oswald was in on it alone. Grandpa just puffed on his pipe sitting on the couch saying to my dad “ it's a dead cat on the line somewhere”. At the age of 7yo, I didn't know what that saying meant. We are of Polish descent and grandpa and grandma weren't good at English. But I know today what grandpa meant. He has been dead over fifty years.
I’m not sure what the phrase means. I’ll have to look it up 🤷🏻♀️
it doesn't mean they knew anything about the situation.
@@peterfraser9070 no, it means it was a sentimental remembrance of what happened in my family that awful weekend. It also represents my observance as a child, watching and listening to the expressions of my family. Never, did I try to convey that my parents, or grandparents knew anything about the details of either President Kennedy, or Lee H Oswald’s death. Some of you get behind the safety of an computer or phone and just type slander, most are cowards, and sick lonely people.
@@morticindavis9410 I also have no idea what, "It's a dead cat on the line somewhere" means.
I've never heard of it before.
@@dallasbrubaker6054 it means something suspicious is happening/happened
I KNEW WESLEY WHEN I WAS A 13 YEAR-OLD BOY...AT THAT TIME I WAS LIVING WITH MY DAD IN IRVING TEXAS,DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM RUTH PAIN!
What did you think of the Paine's, if anything? Did you know Mr. Paines mother was a $$Forbes?
It's not a good idea to post in all caps. It tends to make one look mentally unstable.
HOW MANY BOOKS HV U WRITTEN
What make and model of car was it that the man with the rifle got into?
That had to affect Mr. Frazier quite a lot. I, too, doubt the lone assassin theory. I've been to the museum back in the late '90s. I'd like to go back again someday.
My fav character of the whole situation.👍
@Phil Silverman of course!
Buell Westley Frazier was the first to be accused and arrested for the assassination of Jack..he and Dallas Detective Guy Rose made up the whole curtain rod story...Buells supposed British Enfield 303 was found at the TSBD...they told him...they told him he was going to the electric chair.
There are even pictures of Buell In Interrogation with Fritz and Rose...
Burried in the WCR are two FBI 301 reports from Buells mother and TSBD foreman Jack Dougherty stating they saw Lee carrying nothing from Buells car onthe morning of November 22...
Why can’t you people take a good honest look at LBJ, Ed Clark, and Mac Wallace.. why so afraid.
Missed opportunities with questions. What type of car. How long, per his recollection was the package? Carcano is 40 inches assembled.
There were so many people out front of the TSBD after the assassination I’m curious why I don’t recall anyone else seeing the well dressed man carrying a rifle. You would think there would be motion film or photographic evidence?
He made it up obviously.
That’s an amazing account and very close perspective, he spoke so openly too. What a generous man. May Jah bless him.
Damn, Buell Wesley Frazier himself. Can't help thinking that he and Lee Harvey Oswald are the two most famous order fillers in history.
What exactly did Buell Frazier mean by "angled parking" in regards to the man with a rifle that he said he witnessed (starting at 26:22)? Was it angled parking as in a remote parking lot to the right as one would view it while walking out of the front of the building (walking out of the TBDB)??
I think he means the southwest side of the TSBD . The access road in front of the TSBD doesn't connect to ELM, so maybe thats how cars can park and exit the premises by going around the rear of the building. My best guess🤷♂️
@@anthonyrobinson6590 Thank you Anthony.
angle parking is just the opposite of parallel parking, you guys must be young-- it was big in the 50s and 60s, each space was on an angle in front of a store, it was easier to get in and out of.
When this museum is willing to listen to people who don’t hold their viewpoint, I’ll watch these.
I give you a hundred thumbs up on that!!
That’s why they had out cards for questioning! They can censer what is adked!
for that you have to go thru their old archived audio, like the one with Jean Hill and then Gordon Arnold.
A guy named Bob Hays was their executive director, He was brilliant and caring.. and then came Gary Mack!
One man. One rifle. Three shots. Eleven seconds. Oswald acted alone. Ruby acted alone. No conspiracy. Case closed. Get a new hobby.
The reality is this: The JFK Assassination started with Oswald and ended with Ruby. No one else was involved.
Good ole' Wes, towing that line 🙄....no wonder he was "allowed" to live a long full life along with a ms.payne
He's right about guilty until proven innocent 37:55. Even President Biden does not respect that with his comments on Derek Chauvina and Kyle Rittenhouse before their trials.
Did you drive Oswald to the Rifle range?
The police searched his room after the shooting and he had a Lee Enfield 303 . One of his teenage after-school jobs was in a curtain rail factory
@mikev4621 Your "facts" are really factoids picked up from a $1.99 conspiracy book at a swap meet.
Mr. Frazier has been a fixture in TSBD/Oswald lore since the beginning. He has been seen in many interviews over the years including “The Men Who Killed Kennedy” (essential viewing for anyone interested in the assassination). It would truly be a shame to think he would fabricate an element of his story at this point just to sell a book. However, it is a little hard to swallow his “repressed memory” vision of a dapper mystery man with a rifle who nobody else seemed to notice at the time. As we know, Dealy Plaza was teeming with spectators and law enforcement in the chaotic minutes after the shooting. The sighting of Oswald departing through the loading dock is credible and fits an established timeline. Just hard to imagine a “professional” hit man would jeopardize his position in such a careless and brazen manner! I like the old guy and believe his instincts about Oswald, but this is a stretch. He claims he can’t be sure about the validity of the memory. If it’s false, then I suppose I can afford him the benefit of the doubt. If it’s true, then that’s surely one of the most extraordinary things witnessed that day!
Well stated. This was exactly my thoughts. Thanks for the tip on "The Men Who Killed Kennedy".
Every person who wants to know the truth should watch “”The Men Who Killed Kennedy.” In addition, they should research how Dr. Oschner’s (so) was the personal doctor of Sid Richardson and HL Hunt … 🤔🤔🤔
Agree. Well stated. My thoughts too.
The 3 of us obviously agree on it! I'm like you all too- it's hard not to like Buell, he seems like he's lived an honorable life & he's a good man & he's also had a rough time in life. I'm guessing he meant to say he was asked by employers "have you ever been arrested?"- as opposed to "convicted". If so, then yes i find that part of his story not only believsble but sad too & he has my sympathy on thst.
But all that being said- yes i definitely agree with you totally on the man with the rifle story. I also had trouble accepting the story of Lee's "you're nice youre kind you dont mske fun of me" story too. I could imagine some other less detailed version of that story being the truth but I just can't see Lee saying all that to him. I thought he had trouble getting words outta Lee! Again I can see a version of that, but not those exact words that he told, i just had too much trouble with that.
Then at the very end, his final words on Lee's relationship with the kids just plain seemed bizarre! Ironically, I believe him that Lee treated the kids very well & obviously I've heard that in the past, but for some reason the way the presentation ended on that note just plain came across is very strange
@@scottwheeler6958 Frasier also said that Fritz, I think it was, gave him an admission to sign, He also said Fritz raised his hand to hit him, but when Frasier threatened to give Fritz a good fight, Fritz left the interview room in a huff. All that sounds a bit dramatic too. It's a common factor of character being affected by difficult childhoods in the JFK assassination: Oswald we all know about, but Frasier had a drunken abusive step father, Ruby suffered with strife between his two parents and Vicky Adams was abandoned by her parents.
Were you changed with the assassination?
As if anyone could reconstruct a step-by-step replay of every moment and sentence from a day 60 years ago…
Very touching.
Reading the comments section of any YT video on JFK makes me feel depressed about the state of the human reasoning. I really should have learned by now! 😂
you should've learned by now... it was the Babushka Lady.
Jesus. What a witness. *Sigh*
Does any body know what was written on Buell s shirt when.he entered the police interview room?
„TEXAS HUNTSVILLE“ …and a symbol between, which I cannot identify…
@@prinzessindianavonbaden787My guess is FFA, or Future Farmers of America. It was a legit organization when I was a kid in school. Still may be.
Yeah it’s a FFA emblem.
I always wonder what that word was that Buell Frazier had to look up. I have wondered if it was "asinine" because my brothers, who were about 8 years younger than Lee and 5 years younger than Frazier, loved to use to describe each other and then, regarding our mom, my oldest brother also frequently used the term "senile". (our mom was 40) I was two, and I was always wondering what those 2 words meant.
Did Truely not bring a hunting rifle to TSBD prior to assanation?
He did indeed
So interesting I got to get this book
Save your money
IS THIS BUELL?
Waste of money.
I never remember hearing that Marina Oswald had made the alleged curtains that Lee Oswald said that the curtain rods were for. That appears to be a total lie if Oswald said that.
Oswald was questioned for a full 12 hours after the assassination, yet we do not see those statements just a few personal memories by some of the police officers that were there, Oswald only got to speak briefly, and he expressed that he had no legal representation, he said that he had killed nobody and that he was just The Patsy, Jack Ruby silenced Oswald forever but how did Jack Ruby actually know that Oswald was guilty of killing JFK, he had not even been on trial and had not presented his defence, so was Ruby really just there to silence him?
what a quality dude!! Thx Stephen, U always do a fantastic job!!
What a gentleman. How refreshing. I'm writing Buell Wesley Frazier in for President of the United States.
When they called Truly, Paine said that Truly said he would have to "check" if there were jobs.. When Frazier asked him he said "yes".
Quite a claim. H Paine.
She despised Oswald, yet she went out of her way to find him a job?
22:49 Buell asks Mr. Shelly
29:47 'puts the rifle in the back seat...' 'he closes the trunk.' 🤔
49:40 Person in 'man in doorway' photo isn't on 'down the very bottom', 'holding up the wall' sidewalk level.(7 steps)
@july3410 Here's a question to think about.
Buell Westley Frazier repeatedly makes the comment of the police motorcycle's engines being turned off and on, causing them to 'backfire'.
But...how many 'backfires' were there before he decided it was instead actually gunfire?!
Does anyone know where that angled parking area was? Surely if your going to throw the riffle into a car you'd park right next to the fence?
I like this guy ...very sensible.
Seems like a nice man BUT he's naïve to think the package LHO put into his car that morning wasn't Lee's carcano rifle. The paper container he saw Lee carry into work was found on some boxes on the sixth floor of the TSBD after the shooting. Fairly obvious what what lee was carrying...
STEPHEN!!! See if you can get Virginia Adams or Barry Ernest to be guest speakers sometime.
Great idea. I'm afraid Victoria Adams (woman on the stairs) has passed away but Barry would be interesting.
Well if you all think Mr Frazier lost all credibility because he saw a man with a rifle, then he lost all his credibility about his story of seeing Oswald carrying a paper bag containing curtain rods. You can't have it both ways. It's he's credible or not. It's funny he came up with this curtain rods bag with his sister after he was arrested. It's also funny that his mother looked out the window and his mother didn't see anything in Oswalds hands. Hmmmm.
His sister saw it also and stated it was about 24 inches give or take a few.
*_@zapdunga12_* On the morning of 22 January 1963, Mrs. Randle (Frazier's sister) was the first person to see Oswald carrying the package outside her house. She estimated that the package was "approximately 28 inches long and about 8 inches wide" and contained something heavy. Oswald then put the package on the back seat of Frasier's car. Oswald then went to the kitchen window, when Oswald was spotted by Frazier's mother, so obviously she would not see Oswald carrying the package.
Frazier said the package was "two feet long, give or take a few inches and 6 inches wide", but in 1986, under cross examination in 'On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald', he said that the package might have been long enough to contain an M91/38 rifle, because when Oswald got out of his car at the TSBD he did not pay much attention.
Frazier liked Oswald and always denied that he fired the rifle in the TSBD, so Frazier is not likely to make up the story about the package and incriminate Oswald. On the other hand, his later story about the dapper hitman sounds unlikely.
Not!
That's what she said.@@Ben-rh9kr
He’s not credible, because he has a documented association with intelligence agencies. Also, Mr. Shelley had intelligence ties in addition to being a member the gun club in his Dallas high school. There is no configuration of any kind for a 6.5C rifle in which it will break down to comfortably fit under the arm and in the palm of a man who is about 5 foot nine, ignore the testimony of the dockworker that says there was no large oblong package on Oswald’s person as he arrived for work that day. Nothing about what this guy says makes any sense. There also was no 6.5 carcano that would break down to be anything less than 24” long. Oswald was about 5’9…I am 6’4 with long enough arms that I buy custom dress shirts and 24” under my pit is a reach for me.
The rifle story cannot be ignored because it’s physically impossible if the gun on display is the actual gun , or even if it’s not, and the gun is the shorter version, allegedly ordered by Oswald, neither breakdown in any conceivable way to link that he could fit under his arm and hold the palm-let alone dismiss the contradictory statements of Frazier and the dock worker who arrived before Oswald that day.
I've watched many interviews with him and I've been hoping he'd write a book. I was on the SixthFloorMuseum's website just about ready to order an autographed copy of the book... and then he mentioned the 'new' story about seeing the man with a rifle. Which sounds like it was made up to sell the book... (my opinion, NOT fact)... so I backed off of buying the book. I'm sure I'll change my mind cuz I really like Buell... but that new 'story' just doesn't feel credible.
Considering he was harrassed by police and later people were being killed like Roger Craig. It is possible that he kept that to himself especially since he could not trust the Dallas police Dept.
@@gregory6003 I can't disagree with that, Gregory!
Good decision! Don't support this liar!
I watched Buell in another video,not this one and he reeked of guilt,to me at least,before i'd read all these comments.Riveting stuff,i was a boy of 11 and have only really got into all these stories in the last 3 months due to TH-cam videos.
@@gregory6003 Roger Craig committed suicide after a few attempts at killing him.
The three witnesses who were the most damaging to Oswald was Marina Oswald, Ruth Paine, and this guy, with his curtain rod story, a package no one else saw, and which Oswald expressly denied.
I agree. WBF was a plant
Isn’t like he stood trial, if you’re referring to the Warren circus than yea
The package was seen by Frazier's sister, who testified to the WC. "Mrs. Randle stated that on the morning of November 22, while her brother was eating breakfast, she looked out the breakfast-room window and saw Oswald cross the street and walk toward the driveway where her brother parked his car near the carport. He carried a "heavy brown bag."
@@dab. a bag she claims was far too small to carry a rifle. i mean its worth mentioning that part.
@@simonjames1604 You can understand it would be difficult for her, glancing out of the window, to estimate whether or not the bag was too small to carry a disassembled mannlicher carcano rifle.
Wow such an interesting presentation with Mr. Frazier who was part of the events leading up to November 1963.
He was so riveting n forthright in telling his experiences n aftermath of that event. Fascinating ! Especially towards the end of vid when he mentioned you can't change a person's negative opinions of someone even though it's untrue . One could FEEL such certainty from him, maybe from his experiences n time after November 1963.
Kudos for vid. Awesome ! Please upload more vids of significant people who were there. Always look forward to your vids.
Projection! real popular since 2016.
Baloney
My comments were made too briefly into the interview. I have heard some new things from Buell. Please disregard the beginning of my first comment. I apologize.
Most here are nuts anyway.
@@leemoore9933 lol
Poor guy , that morning all he did was give a fellow employee a ride to work . It turned out to be a personal disaster , for the poor guy.
Lol. Don't feel sorry for the guy. He is a professional bullshitter
not really that " poor guy" he'll go down in history books, videos, and im very sure he has made a decent amount of money in interviews and tv appearances
Buell i guess knew that lee Oswald was going to shoot at the president or the parade but sat on the front steps to distance himself .note Mr truly and another went to see what had happened but Buell stayed put why ? did he already know what had occurred? Just conjecture but Buell was an adolescent and probably easily led by lee.
i dont think that Buell was part of the conspiracy but he knew Lee was going to take a shot at the parade why would he sit on the steps it wasn't a great vantage point .
But why not admit the truth? He obviously carried the rifle in the building. He obviously doesn't want to be that guy.
Seriously, a recovered memory after all these decades, just in time for his book. He has lost all credability. He was caught on film on the steps of the TSBD. He mentions 'doorway man' is Lovelady. What about 'Prayerman'? Fame by association indeed.
@The Tom Wassell Show Did anyone else notice a man with 200 dollar shoes and expensive clothing holding a rifle Im sure there were many in the area, he makes it sound like a mob hit, but then again most wise guys didn't dress for the occasion. I think it a bit odd he zeros in on shoes, fadora and clothes more then the long gun he was holding.
@The Tom Wassell Show : This is not the first time Mr Fazier has given a talk at the museum. It is pretty much the same talk except for the recovered menory of the man with the gun. Seriously? No ine else saw him. He is in no photos or film. You decide if perhaps a publish er helped Buell 'remember; something.
@@gerryquinn5578 You are right, Dallas had cameras all over the place! More cameras in Dallas in 1963, than smartphones taking pictures in Dallas today.
@@myronhelton4441 if your talking about Kodak...and Polaroid and 8 mm movie cameras then maybe there were a few. But not any surveillance type like we have today. Most of those camera pics and film have already been studied.
Chauncey Holt [ one of the tramps] also said that he had seen a number of assassins and members of organized crime all over
Dealey Plaza that day. So where are those pictures????
I am looking at the hard to see (on my pc) schematic of where Buell Frazier was parked and it looks like (just as at many of my jobs) he had to park a couple of blocks away (I worked in a car dealership and our back lot was usually only for customers and new car deliveries and the employees had to park in a partially paved field which used to be a peewee golf course about the time JFK was in office.) You can totally get why Lee wouldn't have waited for Frazier to walk with him as Frazier was running his car to get the battery charged up (which I also have had to do with the various used cars I drove in the late 1980's-early 1990's. Even though I worked with nothing but technicians, mechanics most people say, but at our union dealership, they were called "technicians", anyway, it was a pain in the butt to get a friendly coworker to pull the jump starter down the street to give me a jump start.) 😌
Yes, I totally get why Lee didn't wait for Frasier to walk together; he was carrying a rifle in that package and just wanted to get in the building as soon as possible so that as few people as possible could see him carrying that package.
@@peterfraser9070 Well, of course, that's one of the many reasons he could've been doing it. Still have to wonder why the package was the wrong size. And whether he was being used as a "patsy" by carrying the package which didn't seem to have much weight although carrying it vertically seems strange, most people would carry curtain rods differently, but it just seems like his package didn't seem to fit either item, a broken down Carcano or a set of curtain rods. But I used to carry boxes on my head like an African water bearer, to the embarrassment of my mom, so who can say why he almost carried it like a soldier with the package in the palm of his hand. I think he was tricked into playing a role he didn't even know what it would be. He was just a kid, after all, otherwise he wouldn't have bought a cheap rifle that was for nothing but show, because for sure you couldn't do much else with it. Like a gangsta these days. Holding his gun sideways to look cool.
@@paulaharrisbaca4851 except it IS known that he was carrying a rifle in that package - not something else, and it was the right size for a disassembled rifle. He brought that rifle in so he could shoot Kennedy. Oswald had in his own words been wanting to do something big that people would be talking about for a long time. So what if he said he was a patsy - he lied about LOTS of things.
@@peterfraser9070 We don't know we weren't there,but he has always maintained the Bag was a maximum of 27 to 28 inches, not the 35 for a broken down Carcano. I try to be fair if Ruth Paine for example says paraphrasing" Oswald was a nut who shot the president" Who am I to argue? She knew him. But so did Frazier, and our own personal opinions can't top those who were there. So it goes both ways.
Do you really believe he never ever run his car to charge his battery before? He said they always walked together.
I don't think Mr. Frazier's story passes the smell test. Firstly, It took him all these years to come out with his story because he was scared. Yet dozens of people have questioned the official story, wrote books, made movies etc. He had nothing to fear.
The man he claims he saw with the rifle wasn't seen by anyone else? How could this be when Dealy Plaza was packed with people. Mr. Frazier claims he was so scared of the man with the rifle he couldn't even observe what direction he drove off in. If I'd see that man, under the circumstances, I'd probably assume he was a member of the Secret Service or FBI. Why did Mr. Frazier assume this guy was the gun man and be so terrified?
Sounds to me like Buell Frazier simply decided it was time to cash in on the Kennedy assassination and proceeded to tell an interesting story.
Would be interesting to know how the heft of the package under his arm looked. You can tell if somebody is carrying something that weighs a pound or if it weighs closer to ten pounds. Also -- if you were carrying in parts of a rifle over a few days it would be easier to explain if caught than a whole rifle at once, especially in those days, which might have explained the shorter package. No curtain rods were found to my knowledge.. But often LHO doesn't seem to have thought ahead like that...
Oswald was being set up by someone in the CIA. His only phone call from the jailhouse was blocked. He was trying to call his life line handler but the men in the suits told the operator to tell Oswald that no one answered. Damning evidence against the Feds.
There is a photo of a secret service man in the parade of cars holding a rifle. It could have been him being referred to.
I find it suspect that there was even a package in the back seat. Every time he speaks of it, it sounds rehearsed.
FBI pressure? During his multi-hour interrogation Frazier was threatened with the death penalty for participating. Did he suffer a nervous breakdown after his interrogation. What was his work schedule after?
I think the most important thing to nail down about Mr Frazier is how he ended up with the job at the TSBD. Because if that was innocent then I think the following sequence would likely be innocent as well.
Ruth Paine said she heard about the possibility of a job for Lee through her neighbour, Linnie Mae Randall. Linnie Mae was Buell Frazier's sister. Ruth Paine then took the initiative to call to get Oswald an interview. If Frazier really did land the job in September via a hiring agency, as he testified for the Warren commission, then it's hard to believe there was any conspiracy involved there. And if that was innocent then Ruth Paine learning of the possible job there for Oswald, THROUGH HER NEIGHBOUR(!), highly suggests an innocent sequence.
Hopefully my reasoning is clear. I'd appreciate any feedback on this. There's so much that's strange as hell in this case, but a conspiracy theory would, I think, have to find a way of interpreting this sequence nefariously and I just don't see it.
Buell got job through a labour hire company.
i feel Buell was not part of the conspiracy but he may have known that lee Oswald was going to take a shot.Notice he says mr truly and others went to see what happened but he stayed put why ? he already knew?
*_@yiranimal_* _"There's so much that's strange as hell in this case"_
You have nailed it, but there is not much strange, unless you go down the conspiracy route. Oswald was a lone nut killer. That is it.
If Oswald had shot somebody not famous, he would have been tried and convicted without any debate, and if that isn't enough there is also the policeman Tippit murder too.
@@phonicwheel933 If you look closely enough you'll find some incredible coincidences. Like the fact that Ruth Paine's mother in law was tight with CIA director Allen Dulles' mistress; that Dulles and his mistress used to holiday on the same island compound as Ruth and Michael Paine, owned by Paine's family.
Or that the person who introduced Oswald to Ruth Paine, George de Mohrenschildt, had serious intelligence connections. And just as he was starting to open up about these connections in 1977 and was being subpoenaed to testify in front of congress as a star witness (that Dallas CIA agent, J. Walton Moore, had told him to befriend Oswald) de Mohrenschildt died of a shotgun wound to the head.
And here's a crazy one just for fun: de Mohrenschildt used to bounce little Jackie Bouvier up and down on his knee when she was a child, and referred to him as "Uncle George." I mean you can't make this shit up.
Most people don't know any of this. They watched the Oliver Stone film and thought one way or the other while focused on goofed autopsy notes and witness testimony, and so on.
But when you consider the facts that I just laid out, you really can't blame someone for thinking there is really too much going on for there not to be some connection. These conspiracy theorists are not necessarily all crackpots.
I could easily offer a plausible scenario to explain how the CIA got Oswald the job at the book depository. It would involve a CIA agent posing as a hiring agency worker. That's it. And then you have a believable conspiracy, bringing back into play all these weird facts to be considered as something other than fluky coincidences.
@@MrLeslloyd I know. I wonder how solid that is. Do they have the names of the people he spoke to, an application, etc? If that's the case and there are people to testify to that then I'd believe it.
Hmmm funny that Jim Lavelle had a brand new brightly colored suit for the day Oswald was shot. I'm sure he wasn't worried about Ruby hitting him.... Smh
That's always been one of those glaringly obvious details to me.
Jim Lavelles suit was made with Oswald's curtain material and this incensed Ruby who needed it for the backdrop at his club.
Eye witnesses saw oswald on lower floor of book depository getting a coke when they heard shots .Warren whitewash doesnt mention anything that would be reality !
@michaelharrison7072 Oswald was spotted on the 2nd floor at least 90 seconds *_after_* the shooting stopped. And he drank Dr. Pepper (never Coke). Your implication of conspiracy is a "whitewash" of the truth, which is Oswald-alone.
What he never talks about is he worked closely with him for 6 weeks and he never talked about defecting to the Soviet Union..
@patricklavelle4615 So? That was by that time, a distant period in Lee's life.
Hogwash. It was only 2 years. Your're just being argumentive. Or just silly.@@stddisclaimer8020
@@patricklavelle4615 Two years is a long time to one who's only twenty-four. You're being contentious clod.
Struck nerve did I. Gee Lee what did you do before this job? Oh I worked for a CIA controled coffee co. and ran guns on the side. What about you Buell? Oh I worked for the department store down town. I was in charge of shipping and reciving curtain rods. Keep drinking that kool-aid.@@stddisclaimer8020
So you like to name call. That makes you sound ignorant. Frasier trained Lee to do his job. He was 19. He would have aked him what his exsperice was.@@stddisclaimer8020
BTW, can't you get Hertz to allow you to put the sign back up??? They could use the publicity, as bad as it might seem to be. I think I'll contact them and "ax" them, as Lee Oswald would say. ("when the reporters in the hall axed me that question.")
I think that’s a NOLA influence on his accent.
Hertz is being associated with the Murder of the Century back in 1963. 30 years later, they are associated with the Trial of the Century because of their biggest spokesperson OJ Simpson. 2023 will be another 30 years. What does Hertz have up their sleeves this time around?
Something really fishy about his curtain rod story.
That was made up by him and his sister. Never existed.
He never thought to ask Oswald why he was bringing the curtain rods into the building with him when he was his ride after work.
Something really kirt about his fishing rod story.
was a very busy day for him drop off the assassin, work, see the assassination .did the role call? when lee was missing? go to the hospital
His whole man with a riffle story and seeing Oswald coming down from the loading dock sounds extremely dodgy to say the least. Sad as he is actually one of the key people from that day. Him coming out with these porkies so many years later is disappointing.
Seems like a very smart, nice man. Loved his account of his story. God bless him.
He is a professional bullshitter. He is not a good person
This man was kinda needy mom fixes his breakfast, sister fixes his lunches, Lol. Im just kidding.
Gentleman was only 18 ...
Looks a bit uncomfortable answering the rifle range question at 12 min 40
Did she ever tell the FBI where Oswald woiked? The Dallas FBI did not have him as a target so probably did not ask. The FBI said the Secret Service told them Marina was a credible threat. She barely spoke English, and had one small child and another on the way.
When Frazier mentioned Lavell as his good friend, this story went to pot.....
Frazier calls loads of people connected to the tragedy his good friend. I'm sure none of them felt that way about him including Oswald. Frazier was nothing to Oswald but his driver and early teacher of how to do the job. Oswald NEVER (tho it would have been so easy and convenient) even introduced Frazier to Marina or the kids, did anything outside work with Frazier, talked very little with Frazier. Frazier is in denial about Oswald's guilt probably cuz Oswald fooled him, wants to think no friend of his could do the crimes, etc. Now this genius Frazier is the latest to try to capitalize on the conspiracy theory nonsense. Another great job by this very competent curator!
@@Jamie2Rock That might be dead on correct. He was just a co-worker and ride nothing more.
@@Jamie2Rock Oswald was innocent
@@maxsmith695 idiocy is SOO rampant
I don't know who is a bigger bullshitter frazier or lavelle. It's pretty close
I believe what he has to say. Many other witnesses withheld information out of fear. From all outward appearances I believe he is a good man.
he might seem like a decent dude but he embelishes his story way to much. Him like some others trying to make a buck from it.
@@leemoore9933
Hi Lee, if anybody deserves to make a buck on information from those times, when Big Brother USofA regrettably, lost it's innocents in plain veuw, surely it is Wesley. He could have gained so much more if denounsing your namebrother. He never did. I should be proud to be his friend. I see a lot of caracther and decency comming across in this man, that no one can take away. You ourght to appriciate him comming forth in writing too. I'm sure you can find someone else in the assasination story that will be more worthy an accusation of capitalizing.
I believe him too,
He could have withheld Oswalds curtain rod story and saved himself a lot of trouble. A rifle man coming out the backdoor of TBD building and driving away, is Wesley not the only one not daring comming forth with in 1963. Some young mother saw the same from her car and choose to stay safe for many years.
They were probably both very wise to not add there names to the list of strange departures from this world.
Dallas had +100 murders a year in at the time, I've heard.
it's highly unlikely he saw what he claimed he saw - but even if there had been someone else with a gun in the area, they didn't shoot anyone.
@@peterfraser9070 So Peter, you know who shot Kennedy and Conorlly. Are you in the CIA?
Bearing in mind he'd driven the accused to work ~ and the size of the package the accused had with him during that journey ~ the well dressed man with the weapon was arguably the least of his worries.
Man, I don't know. He seems like a good dude who was placed by fate in the middle of a pivotol event in national/world history, and he's never quite been able to make sense of it. He was buddies with LHO, and I'm not sure he's ever come to grips with Lee's place in all of it (regardless of his account of a well-dressed man with a rifle). Lee left the TSBD minutes afterward. Why? If he was innocent, why leave at all? But I will say that Lee's face when the reporter tells him he's been charged with the POTUS's murder is one of the most haunting things about it. If he actually did it and acted alone, that was one of the most convincing acting jobs in history. Poor Buell was over his head from the beginning and ever since.
Ruth Paine also called the company and spoke directly to Roy Truly. Lee was 24 and Buell was 19. Buell also owned a British .303 rifle. I only mention this because Fingerprint Bureau Lt. Carl Day exited the building carrying the Carcano and told waiting press the assassin weapon was a British made .303 military rifle and lo akd behold thats what was reported to us Australians and New Zealanders via newspapers and radio who knew the .303 as our standard weapon in both world wars and Korean war.
Many a kangaroo was dropped by a British made .303
This is a valuable testimony from a man who has always been honest and sincere about this brush with history of his. A piece of information such as the one he conveys here, 60 years after the fact seems of course much less trustworthy then a November 22nd 1963 affidavit, but the way he was treated by the authorities, as a 19 year old, makes the fear he invokes to explain his silence seems very credible. His depiction of Lee Oswald's character, as a kind, intelligent, considerate young man matches that of many people who have known him.
Have you read his biography? It starts off with him stating he doesn't lie...a suspicious and weird beginning...his nickname was weasel...as a kid...bc he says he always got away with things...
He mentions all his childhood jobs in his book...that btw he states he didn't write... except one job....it's the job he had wrapping curtain rods In a store...he tells this to the Warren Commission... But never was it listed in his Biography..
Buell Westley Frazier made up the curtain rod story to save his own life...
He was 19 years old and scared to death after a second threatening interrogation by Dallas Police Detective Guy Rose...and was told they had his British made Enfield 303 which was found at the TSBD...and he was going to the Electric chair...that's when the curtain rod story came to be..Buell was the first man arrested and accused for killing JFK...don't take my word for it...dig into it, past the obfuscation of the Governments version...
I believe Buell is actually a good man..
He did what he had to to survive...but is racked with guilt...
Everything and more about that ride to work is documented Facts...but it's not in the Warren Commission Report...FBI 302 reports taken from Buells mother and TSBD foreman Jack Dougherty stated they saw Lee carrying nothing to work the morning on the 22nd Nov.
@@bradrook3919 Easy for me to see why this guy was questioned so intensely by the D's,why did he leave the car door unlocked overnight for the bag to be left on the back seat?Also he makes a big thing about the sort of divine view he was afforded standing on the top step,no photo's showing him there but that must have been 20 yards from the car turning left when a much better view would have been from standing behind the employees (scarves) only one row from the curb which would have been like only 8-10 feet from the president.I think he should have acknowledged Oswald was a creep,after what subsequently occurred and a policeman was shot dead,and witnessed by an ordinary woman out walking on the footpath,who gave a clear statement that it was Oswald.I think the fix was in, have the committee who worked on the route been cleared?
After 60 years of listning to Mr. Frazier ,.. He has allways sounded so honest , matter of fact and unrehearsed ! I have never from day one believed that LHO Shot JFk ! I felt as I heard the news that the story was not right ! And 60 years later it is still not right !
So if Lee was so connected to the intelligence community why is he needing a meaningless job?
So let me get this right, you have this mafia looking hit man all decked out holding a rifle with 100's if not a few thousand people in the area and no one else seem him....... ok sure whatever you say Buell.
I couldn’t find the place where you told me to give it a rest, sister, where Trump was concerned, so I don’t know what I was referring to exactly, but anyway the point’s taken. Thanks. I just have a case of BidenApathy. 🤷🏻♀️
@@paulaharrisbaca4851 It's all good. Have a great day.
He’s right about one thing…if the government needs a guilty party bad enough, they will create one.
The package was 38 inches long, the disassembled rifle was 35 inches long.
May be his last interview
They're trying to make more out of this man's story than was really there. He was a hapless chauffeur to a brazen assassin. There's really not much more to make of it but they're milkin this for all they can.
Thank you.
Lol. Pull your head out of your rear end and feel free to get some fresh air
Laughing so much over the wording you used.
Well he was obviously reasonably trusted by Oswald. I generally agree with your point but he's still a valuable contributor to what happened in that building and the people there.
If it was curtain rod for his house..why did he bring it from his house... to the book depository???
I have found in my desire to learn what really happened,that the best way to learn, is to throw everything the Warren Report said “out the window”. Then start over.
As an example, the Dallas Police went to Paine’s home, why? Paine was asked of her whereabouts at the time of the shooting. She replied “here.
She then turned to Marina, who spoke no English,and then, Paine said, Marina says I was here! The cops, who didn’t speak Russian believed her!
You got to laugh at that one😄.
Because it was the gun. PERIOD
Did the employees clock in and out at a time clock?
Did Oswald clock in and out that day?
Where are Oswalds IRS records.
But aren't you curious about the fact that this gentleman's surname is Frazier as one of the first FBI agents who went to the scene after the shooting? Is this Robert Frazier a ballistics expert?
Interesting
I love listening to Buell. I'd very much like to meet and just chat along with him. That being said, the interview is very reminiscent of the previous Sixth Floor Museum interview with Buell. I love the site and the videos. No intent on knocking anyone.
I must say Buell has almost repeated word for word what he said in his previous interview.
I would like to ask Buell if it were so very odd for Lee to ride back to the Paine house on any previous Thursdays. Was it completely out of the ordinary that Lee strictly rode home on a Friday and returned on a Monday?
I understand Buell and Lee only worked together a very brief period of time. Had Buell seen Lee there playing with the children on days other than what spanned the weekend.
Also, why was everyone so surprised Lee was outside the house when Buell's sister had seen him at the window? Was it surprise because he had approached the window? She didn't know Buell was riding Lee to work..even after they were privy to the point that the question of employment for Lee was made at a sitting of the women's party or social?
Poor Buell Wesley Frazier. Honestly I feel sorry for this man. He alone could have easily solved the Crime of The Century. The sidewalk was packed with people like sardines in a can. Instantly Cops were combing every foot of Dealey Plaza. And ALL Frazier had to do was tell someone, Anyone "HEY there is the killer, the cool, calm, well-dressed professional man with a rifle wearing a fedora." Case Closed. No need for his buddy Lee to flee and go kill Tippit. No reason for Ruby's rage and his murder of Oswald. Pooof, just like that the rifle-fedora man vanished and not even ONE other person noticed him. To hear him tell it, sounds like this invisible killer was so brazen as to even park in the "angled-parking" right in front of the TSBD ! Yet no one saw that either. Very Sad.
As you say, very sad.
Totally agree with you
So sad he has carried this with him for so long.IF only he had found his voice if not then, then for the Warren Commission... how different things might be .
The Warren Commission didn't want to talk to any witnesses that didn't collaborate with THEIR Fabricated Fairy Tale... This was when the American people began to Distrust their Government.....With good reason!! Once you Began to Lie..you have to continue..and kill anyone that could expose you...
The Warren Commission was NOT trying to find the truth, didn't matter what he told them.
He couldve been murdered/ and or died mysteriously like several other witnesses. They also chose not to depose alot of people that they should have. And witness statements were changed. If you look at Mrs. R.H. Reid's typed statement, the person who signed and notarized it, also signed Mrs. Reid's name. Its too obvious. Her original statement said she was giving Oswald change the moment the shots were fired. Also, Julia Ann Mercer said her statement had been changed, and that the signature on it was not hers.
Sad
17:04 is a confusing , misleading , unclear , example of an "exhibit"
Very interesting interview. Only question is did Frazier tell the DPD at any point that he saw a well dressed man carrying a rifle and putting it into a car?
No he didn't. Didn't tell the Warren Commission either or the FBI. Maybe he didn't see one or is was some months earlier.
He said he only told his sister who is now deceased. They kept it to themselves as Wesley was afraid to say anything to anyone else.
@@tsbonner Oswald and Frazier also went together to a rifle range to practice firing a rifle. That is also just a rumor. Just as is someone seeing Oswald run to a green car after the shooting and drive away or that the rifle found on the 6th floor was clearly marked Mauser. There is a lot of smoke without fire in this case. Don't believe it.
@@boblackey1 The most fascinating thing about the entire assassination from November 1963 to today is the propensity to believe "facts" or testimony reinforcing preconceived notions, and to absolutely discount that which challenges those notions. Human nature has always been that way, it was so then, and remains so now.
@@hunterliggett Yes your point is well taken. It seems to me when one considers how the very earliest reports of the assassination that were phoned in just seconds to minutes all claimed to hear three shots. Merriman Smith of UPI using the mobile phone in the press vehicle " THREE SHOTS WERE FIRED AT THE MOTORCADE!!! MAKE IT A BULLETIN PRECEDE!!" And the others the same. Three shots. Now it is true most of those early reports came from newsmen. But that enhances my confidence in those reports. Merriman Smith thought the three shots came from the grassy knoll. Bob Smith of ABC News couldn't tell so he reported live to ABC News New York from Dallas " when three shots suddenly were fired from somewhere in the crowd". Then in just minutes the police learned from employees IN the Depository the shots came from that building. Then Depository employee Harold Norman, whom one can see waving out of the corner 5 th floor window at the motorcade on the Hughes film, says to the police the three shots were fired just over his head out of the 6th floor corner window. Norman said "BANG CLICK CLICK...BANG CLICK CLICK...BANG CLICK CLICK". Three shots and a bolt action sound after each of the three shots, then a bolt action rifle indeed is found that was traced to Oswald. That is the heart of the case right there. Very unlikely more than three shots and almost impossible any could have been fired from another location. Connelly in the motorcade just one seat forward of JFK said the shots came from the rear just over his right shoulder. Also after Connelly was hit he said he was hit hard in the back and looked down and his chest was covered in blood and his wife pulled him down and the third shot sounded and suddenly the valour, the Connellys and the rest of the interior of the President's car is covered with blood and brain tissue, the obvious is the Warren Commission and other investigations such as ABC and CBS News and New York Times and the 1978 House Committee on Assassinations ARE CORRECT! The case is that simple and is solved. Then we get 50 eyewitnesses heard more than three shots, 25 eyewitnesses said they came from another location, Dr. Crenshaw and Dr. McClellan said the head shot came from the front and the back of the head is blown out, and witnesses saw Lee Harvey Oswald meeting with Jack Ruby and others at Jack's nightclub, and one deputy said he saw the rifle up close and it had 7.65 stamped on the barrel making it a Mauser so the rifle was switched or the limo stopped for the kill shot which was fired from the front so the Zapruder film has been doctored. And on and on. There are so many wild theories out there that go well beyond the actually facts of the case which are three shots, one shooter on the 6th floor and the weapon was a bolt action rifle that was an Italian Carcano bolt action rifle which belonged to Oswald. The murder was just to simple for many people to accept. If it had been your average Joe Schmoe shot from that window we wouldn't have heard about outside of Dallas. It was the President so that makes a big difference. Perhaps too big for just one little looser Marxist to have killed with a 19 dollar gun. But that is what happened.
So much of his story has changed over the years, and nearly all of it has been debunked. A new embellishment he has added is that he had to ask Bill Shelley if they could go outside to watch the parade. The parade was scheduled to pass the TSBD at 12.25pm, they had a fixed lunch break from 12noon to 12.45pm, and they were all free to go where they liked during the break.
And when he says he didn’t know the parade was happening that day until he got to work, that’s just covering his own ass.
Take everything he says with a pinch of salt.
I agree. I wonder how much money he charges for each of his speeches.
So... now, Buell saw a gunman, with a cold looking stare, (right in front of him) place a rifle in his car's back trunk. That takes the heat off of his intelligent coworker/friend: Lee Harvey Oswald.
????
Yes, another embellishment to ol' Buell's 11-22-63 recollection.
That’s precisely why I rely solely on the statements they gave to the WC-not any BS nonsense provided for convenience 60 yrs after the fact by increasingly senile eye “witnesses.”
Sad. He realized he can make more money lying after all this time.
FOLKS IVE BEEN LYING FOR 60 years ! Lol
The WC *is* BS nonsense.
@@johniac1 do you read it all?
Who killed jfk them? Educate me
Please have real proof.
He does look good for his age & a good head of hair 😅
This so called man he saw wit the rifle lookin all immaculate he puts the rifle on the backseat then he closes the trunk🤯 why would u put it on the backseat? Wouldnt u put it in the trunk? He keeps goin on about he was a professional so what sort of car was it i bet it was a nice lookin car pfffttt ive never heard anyone talk about seeing someone with a rifle until this guy
The fondness with which he speaks of LHO almost makes me forget he tried to kill General Walker earlier in the year…almost. Not quite though 😒
And the fact that he slaughtered Officer JD Tippett in the street 45 min after the assassination? No-LHO wasn’t the sort of gentlemen and friends of children type of guy who’d do something as dastardly as kill JFK 😞. I often why conspiracy theorists insist on insulting the intellect of people who are capable of thinking and reasoning.
“fact”. lol
@@johniac1 ahhh…so are you daring to suggest he didn’t kill JDT? Surely you aren’t that much of a fool; say it ain’t so.
@@johnhoey4605 The best researcher (detective) to have obcessed over this case for fifty years believes LHO never fired a shot - 1,
And 2, the evidence, eye witnesses, political sh*tshow, and obvious rot surrounding nearly every aspect of the case suggests the actual conspirators (Comintern rats inside CIA counterintell - Angleton for starters) intended to kill Oswald on the street then and there. BUT because he managed to get the hell out of dodge, they needed another crime to pin on him quickly. (Or they were toast.) Hence the decision to kill Tippet.
Also, by the sounds of it, seems like Tippet wasn't exactly the kind of guy they could trust with the extra scrutiny of a suddenly screwed up 'perfect murder' : so even more reason to make him the short straw.
(i.e. Tippet was ostensibly just a shady local cop -??- presumably a MILLION MILES from the Leninist kid-mole 'true believers' whose hubristic asses were then a hundred miles out in the wind.)
Speaking of which, between Oswald's ostensible (tragic) double-agent status, KGB fam wife (Marina straight from Minsk), and Terminal-Cancer Strip-club Ruby ('volunteered'?$$? for a Walter White legacy suicide mission) ... You'd probably have to be dumber (wetter behind the gills / more naïve) than a tuna sandwich to see Oswald as the chief suspect on a two-timing ± mob-adjacent cop (?) then and there.
(Review the shifting witness testimonies - witness intimidation, tampering, etc - and facts on the ground re Tippet, Oswald, the acoustics, ballistics... and particularly the rot around Angleton, , and one or two other ostensible CIA 'Kim Philbys' / US 'Cambridge Fives' : It was clearly a set-up that went eight-hundred miles sideways,
And ?? if not for the brutal discipline of folks like Johnson and McNamara - knowing the risk of full blown nuclear war (from any proper investigation, if allowed) ... Yada yada:
A lot of folks - TENS OF MILLIONS - might easily have died / never been born to read these words.
And that ... Kremlin + Comintern MOLES GALORE - is the key to unravelling the stench.)
I'm having a hard time buying this story. Its so fantastical it just doesn't sit right. I feel bad for what he went through, but when I heard that, I was thinking "aww man, don't go down that road..."
unfortunately it does sound like a little added "spice" for his book. But then again, how he was treated afterwards, I could see him tucking that away, not knowing if he'd trigger some dangerous backlash. Tough to swallow though
Yeah, not buying it either.
@@scottburns2600 my problem is, he supposedly saw the shooter, and the shooter saw him... so, in this grand conspiracy, everyone who had information was "killed off", but for some reason, the ONLY LIVING HUMAN BEING IN THE WORLD WHO SAW THE REAL KILLER, they said about him "well, you know, this guy could identify me, let's just hope he doesn't say anything in the next 50 years, or he's a dead man!" Sorry. Doesn't pass the smell test to me... he would have been dealt with shortly thereafter.
@@Elemental1977 Yep.that and nobody else seen this man with all the people there.
@@leemoore9933 It sorta seemed like the reason he said LHO's 'curtain rod' package was only about 2 feet was bcuz he'd look suspicious or dopey or something if it had looked long enough to be a (disassembled) rifle, yet he wasn't suspicious and didn't tell anyone. It's sorta safer to say it was shorter than it was so he wouldn't be blamed for that. I think it's understandable, though.
I was at the Sniper's Nest in Sep 67. An easy shot.
I take it it was accessible back then?
Fascinating stuff, emotional too, I must purchase his book. Thanks for this.
Save your money
The Dulles Brothers.
What an lovely, honest man. Thank you Wesley, an amazing account of what happened
Not really. His nickname is the Weasel. He and his sister are the only people who saw the package. His mother was looking out when Oswald came to the window. She saw nothing. No one at the depository saw it either. Charging his battery before it sits for 8 hours. Not likely.
@@patricklavelle4615 _"His mother was looking out when Oswald came to the window. She saw nothing."_
Frasier's sister saw Oswald on the drive carrying a 27 inch long heavy package. Oswald then put the package on the back seat of Frasier's car. He then went to the kitchen window where Frasier's mother saw him, so obviously she would not see Oswald carrying a package because, by that time, it was on the back seat of the car.
Interesting -- I would have liked to have heard more about the immaculately dressed man with the fedora and gun. I've never heard about him from anyone before, but typically "men in suits" in public places/parades who have visible weapons, are most likely police/security and not conspirators. Has anyone else out there heard about this contact before? There were tons of DPD rushing into the area afterwards with shotguns and I wonder if he mistook one of them.
Maybe Jack Ruby.
Mob hitmen take pride in themselves and their attire. They can afford nice clothes, hats, and shoes. G-men... not so much.
@@tvs3497 It is known Ruby was obsessed with his attire and that he wore a fedora-like hat. The same person was seen at the Tippit killing I think.
The police had sealed all the exits within minutes
Notice Buell didn't describe the hitman's car - it must have been a doozie
😂is it just me or isn't it wierd he would look in their kitchen window?
I don’t like when the pass out cards for question! That way they get pick and chose the questions! A form of censorship!
After 58 years suddenly informs us he saw a man with a rifle when his book is due out. Pardon my cynicism.
😂in the mock trial Frazier told Bugliosi Oswald could have been carrying the rifle in front.of him regardless if he had it cupped in his hand. Frazier says he only glanced at the package. So how.is he so sure the package wasn't long enough? Oswald got out of the car first so Oswald in all likelihood was trying to disguise the length of the package. Also why did Oswald show up at Frazier early that morning putting the gun in the car. Knowing Frazier car would be unlocked. Frazier said he was running late in all likelihood Oswald was early.
2:20 I went there for the 50th before this "fragments" exhibit was added. They removed the Hertz sign in 1979 due to it was acting as a sail on the roof, and causing structural damage. But I thought only the metal frame was saved; are they sure these letters are the originals? 42:30 Looks like Buell fell down the Alex Jones Conspiracy rabbithole . But I look at it like this: had he not unwittingly helped Ozzy (helping at work, driving him and his rifle to TSBD, etc. ) there would have been no assassination. So after 58 years he's rationalized due to guilt that he had nothing to do with it and now saw he saw someone else with a rifle and he kept it secret for 58 years...just in time for his book.