The value of the issued fuel bottle is that, in cold weather(think Sweden), it slips into a shirt or similar inner pocket under your coat to keep it warm. Helps make it light easier. It is more difficult to do that with the trangia dispenser. I use mine in cold weather a lot.
Thank you for articulating this function. I usually do the same with a 2oz HDPE nalgene container. This smaller container stays in a warm pocket on my torso. The trangia is the bottle that rides in a cargo box or side pocket on a backpack. This is a considerable amount of weight but is a durable and versatile combo.
@@rockanderson2255 This is what I used in the army in the eigthies, but the one I had was stainless. It is a shame I did not get one after the cold war ended and the military was greatly reduced. They sold lots of stuff as surplus. Now they are really hard to come by.
If I may, I have a couple of hacks for the SMK. The bail handle and hook - you will notice there are two notches in the bail handle, one at the top for normal hanging of the pot over a fire, and a second off-set notch. By positioning the hook in this second notch and threading the hook through the latch on the side of the pot you get a 'locked' handle to save you burning or scalding your fingers when tipping the pot to pour water or other hot liquids. It also makes it easy to hold if eating straight from the pot. The second hack involves the two D-rings on the lid / pan handle. By threading a stick or wooden stake through the D-rings you get an extended pan handle that also insulates you from the handle if it has got too hot. Hope these are of use, they work for me, if my explanations aren't quite clear, Google is your friend... 👍🏻All the best, Paul 🙏🏻
I carry a couple of short pieces of 1"x1" wood inside mine to jack the stove up off of the burner for less scalding when actually "cooking" in it as opposed to just boiling.
These M-40 type mess kits are some of the most functional kits out there. I have the Pathfinder version in stainless steel and it is an excellent value. - Tennessee Smoky
I really love it when you actually put your equipment to use other than boiling water. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the reviews. I just wanna pick up some tips n tricks for cooking on the trail/camp and cleanup would be great as well!! I want to go on a 3 or 4 day camping trip and really don't want to get myself sick lol... 😎
I had a 3 peice WW2 German mess kit plus a German WW2 canteen. Got that in the mid 80's from a German Tornado pilot, doing low level flying on base in Labrador. I worked for them ,custodial.
Ernie, if you use the small pot as a lid, putting it on upright (instead of inverted) makes it fit inside the top of the large pot. This makes it easier to get on and off without the risk of tipping the whole set up over.
I noticed that and, in that way, it allows you to keep whatever you have already cooked in the smaller pan warm, while keeping a lid on whatever you're cooking in the larger one. That makes great sense when cooking in extremely cold conditions.
"Pro tip", actually two tips, for the Trangia version of alcohol stoves: Always check to see that the rubber o-ring seal in the lid stays in the lid. I had one come loose and be left on the burner and in my haste and otherwise engagement with food-preparation-related activities I failed to notice this fact and I lit the stove with the rubber ring on it. I did, however, most certainly not fail to notice the smell and black smoke from my field-kitchen; something rather unusual for the normal routine. I had to put it out and deal with the now burned stuck rubber. Most of it could be peeled off in flakes once dried, but it took some work, and what little was left was kinda burned-in and not smoking or so during further use. They work well without the o-ring seal though and this one continued to serve me well for the rest of my time with it (until I gave it back to the Swedish Air Force as it wasn't owned by me). Without the o-ring seal you can not store and carry fuel in the burner the same way you can with one which has the o-ring though, but see point and second tip below. You are not supposed to store fuel in them for transport or long periods anyways we were taught unless for absolute necessity, such as if you for some reason really need to bring fuel and have no suitable container at all for some reason because someone shot a hole in your fuel container or something. I don't know, they didn't specify. Anyways, this is for a few reasons. One is because they can leak and particularly so with older burners as the brass and o-ring seal age and with heavy use. For example they may come to develop small cracks or so on the lid around the screw-threads (which mine had by the way, perhaps also a contributing factor as to why the o-ring seal came off that one time). Long time exposure to the fuel can also damage/weaken the rubber o-ring which would be good to have in case you really do need to use it as a fuel storage container at some point. For that reason it is preferable to fully burn out or vent the burner a little to keep it dry and best cared for when you are not using it. At least such is what I gathered as for the reasons not to store and carry fuel in the burner itself. Of course the o-ring seal may also keep residue vapours contained when need-be, so it is good to have regardless in that way. One other added benefit I can conceive for not having fuel stored in them may be to lessen the risk of spillage when opening the burner itself (more easily done if cold enough to lose dexterity, under stress, etc) as covering yourself in flammable liquid prior to intending to light a fire is probably a bad idea. So there you go. Don't go burning your rubber unless you're making donuts and know what you're doing if you're storing fuel in the burner itself.
Hey Doc, It is so cool a doctor takes the time to enjoy and video an interest I have in stoves and military cook kits. I have a knock-off M-44 myself and I bought it because I thought the design was awesome. It is a very versatile bit of gear and serves me well after a couple mods to the windscreen and handle. I would never do this on an original one, due to the collector's value. Anyway, thanks for showing this to us all. I saw that Dave Canterberry of the Pathfinders School sells a modern version of this cook kit in stainless steel on his website. It is about $65 dollars. I hope people will always sell this design because to me it works well. I also live in Jacksonville, Ar. on the Air Force Base, so we are neighbors.
I bought one of those back in 1993 as a young man, it was the very first piece of camping gear i bought. They're great stoves and there's basically nothing that can go wrong with them. The only issue is they're wind sensitive in cold weather. If you try to run one in the snow exposed to even a light breeze it will steal the heat so quickly the water will never boil. Then again every alcohol stove kind of putters out in the snow so it's not Trangia exclusive.
I bought half a dozen of the M/40 versions in stainless steel about 20 years ago. They were tow for ten dollars then. I gave four of them away to family members for emergency cooking when the power goes out. Heavy as all get up, but a rock solid performer. Over time I learned that surplus comes and goes in waves. Those poncho capes that seemed to be in endless supply for three bucks are now twenty dollars if you can find them. Sort of like the supply and cost of an SKS when the Soviet Union first collapsed in the early 90's compared to now in 93 you could get one for $75. Now they're hard to find for $600. If you find something you like , buy early and buy a lot. Otherwise the price will go up tenfold if you can find one at all. The base actually works well for a wood stove. Plus the d-rings on the put handles lend themselves to using a stick to extend the handle for cooking over a fire. The bale works great for use as a billy pot too,
I have one of the stainless steel ones, I think I paid 15 or 20 euros for it some 10-15 years ago in a local surplus store. There was a lot of high quality Swedish military surplus for sale at very good prices here in Finland back then, I think the Swedes were modernizing their gear and selling off the "obsolete" stuff. The actual mess kit is stamped "Jense" I think but I can't find a year stamp on it. I read somewhere that the steel ones were made before or during the WW2 and after that they started using aluminium. My pot stand is made by Svea in 1966 I believe and the burner is a Trangia one with no year stamp. A nice setup, takes little space and virtually indestructible, though a little on the heavy side. I've used it a lot, well worth the price though not sure if I'd pay much more for it as a regular Trangia set can be had brand new for something like 45 euros and it's a little more versatile with two pots and a simmer ring. Much of my outdoor gear is military surplus, I like the simplicity, ruggedness, high quality and affordable prices, though some of the trendier "hipster hikers" will frown upon you if any of your gear is olive green or, god forbid, camouflage. A tip on the Trangia fuel bottle: keep the bottle upright when pressing the valve and only then tilt the bottle to pour the fuel. If you open the valve when the bottle is horizontal fuel will squirt everywhere as happened in the video if there's pressure in the bottle.
Nice review, I've got both the aluminum, M44 and some stainless steel ones, M40. I preffer the steel ones. They're absolutely bombproof. Oh yes, heavy and a little fiddly to clean but worth every ounce carrying...
I remember many hikes as a scout here in Sweden using the civilian Trangia. Still use them today :) Good stuff. I also remember us using some old army tents in the scouts. Bulky old things but the wooden stove was awesome. Didn't help us much though when our tent got flooded when a storm hit and our sleeping pads started flooting away and our sleeping bags got soaked :D
An ultra-reliable, simple, rugged and effective vintage set-up that's to this day still a proven winner. For here in Alaska during late shoulder seasons & winter... Better freezing conditions practice is to use kit's surplus plastic fuel flask (Swedes did this on purpose) or run yellow HEET original packaging (visible easy pour bottle). This way you can keep fuel warmer on your person and plastic is nicer on the hands. To quiet the whole kit down from rattling/clanging, keep kit all together for transport, etc. is a vintage USA military snowshoe toe-strap. Original vintage was leather straps w/ buckles. Today... optimize by going a modern approach with 1" polypro Cam-straps we use for rafting, or Voile or Titan straps made of polyurethane for skiing. There are several other tips and tricks I could share concerning intended usage of design features. That said, have fun with a most excellent cooking system. Hard pressed to find better allrounder.
I bought a few of these Swedish army trangia cook sets around a decade ago as they were in abundance, cost me £9 each for the aluminium versions, they were late 40s early 50s, used but in excellent condition. I gave 2 away to friends and I stored my other away. I recentl took a fancy to using one for a nice cold weather stew and couldn't for the life of me find my set, maybe it's on the attic??? Anyways I thought I'd look for one for sale as they are cheap enough.....£80 was the cheapest I could find, £110 formthr SS version. Crazy prices.....I instead decided to got for the Pathfinder SS replica for £90. I wish I'd kept my old kit now instead of giving to friends I'd be rich haha 😜
You are so correct about prices going up. 2004 I bought an 3 pack of complete M40's for $15. I love the kit and have used it many times. Yes they are bulky but worth the money.
What a great stove they are. I paid $15 for a really old stainless model many years ago but it was really dirty. I think I spent a couple of days cleaning it up. I have no idea what was burned on it but it took forever to clean it up. Like new now and it is my go to. I never thought of the fuel bottle into a pocket for warming it up. Great trick. Thanks and enjoy. I had to replace the soldered unit as it just was cracking everywhere including inside. My new burner has a simmer ring and is worth it. Don't forget to remove the o ring BEFORE you put out the flame and reinstall when cooled. I just went to go see what year mine was made and it has no date, but it does have the crown stamp and the wording as best as I can see "PRESSBOXXGET ESKILSLUNA". The two x's are stamped under the crown and cannot make those out. The burner I got it with is a Svea # 64. It also has the crowns stamped in it. It does have a full length crack up the inside of the burner. Probably ok. It means something like "Made in good faith in Eskilsluna (A town in Sweden) Hopefully someone knows better that I about this.
Glad I got my stainless one years back for lik$68 vs the $250 they seem to be around now. Insane I don’t believe surplus is drying up. But something made them become popular an they jacked prices
Your windscreen was made by Hasselfors Preciform AB (HP) in 1989, in Sweden. Some history: NC is the code for the factory Nickelfabriks AB Gottfrid Carlsson (aka Nickelbolaget) in Eskilstuna Sweden. SVEA was the brand used at the time. In 1976 Nickelbolaget had over 85 years of experience producing sheet metal components for the Swedish army. Nickelbolaget acquired AB Carl Särenholm, a company that produced metal components for the Swedish army since the 1930's. In the spring of 1978, the company changed its name to Hasselfors Preciform AB (HP). I don't know what KPP stands for. I haven’t seen unpainted cook pots in service, they were all painted black, grey or green. Best regards, Klas in Sweden.
Great information. I have 2 M40's, which I scraped the paint off, back to the steel. That was just my preference, as the paint work looked rubbish. Great gear, painted or not.
Used these 27 years ago in the swedish army. A real good little kit for sure. Litttle on the heavy side and the bottles with the fluid always leaked. 😂
Put the lid upside down then it is much easier to take it on and off, and the heat from the boiling steam does it make you able to both cook the ossta and the pasta sauce at the same time. Saves you both time and fuel.
Great review, and I hope you do comparisons of military mess kits. Us WW1 mess kit is 1 of my favorites, small, compact, fits well about anywhere. Thanks for your time
Great! Would love to see a review of the British military BCB Crusader mess kits. They have them in stainless (Mk I), aluminum (Mk II), and hybrid versions where they mix and match the stainless and aluminum parts (Dragon and Multi-Fuel cooking system).
Years ago I got the military Trangia burner. Now I guess I need the rest of the set. And I love the white bottles. I have four of them. Very easy to story and carry. I also have the Trangia spring loaded fuel bottle. Nice set up.
I have a French Army mess kit from the Algerian War. No, it doesn't come with a stove, but it really is the neatest thing and I suggest you have a look for one. They come in two styles, one is pretty basic and the other is the 'officer's version' (or so I have been told) that has a non stick pan. Both types are identical with a flip over clip/pan handle.
G'day Ernie. Thanks for another great video. I believe Dave Canterbury is set to release a stainless reproduction run of this mess kit early next year.
I am particularly fond of my Swiss Volcano Stove set, in aluminum. That's the name it was sold under, and I got it for about $13 a number of years ago. The last one I saw for sale was three, or more, times that. It has 3 pieces: the chimney (or burn chamber), the cup/container for cooking in, and a double wall bottle with a cork stopper for use as a canteen. I have used it with solid fuel tablets, and biofuels, to great success. Haven't tried any alcohol burners in it yet, but I have made a "hobo heater" from cardboard & wax in a can to try with it. I expect that it will be successful when I do. It's lightweight, compact, durable, and made to be used while suspended from an e-tool (or other rigging) above the snow covered ground. Love to get your opinion on it, if you can find one. Always enjoy your work, and value the information. Thank you.
@@kristofferhellstrom 🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, I am aware of that. He asked for suggestions about *other* surplus items to try out, so I just suggested that he look for the one that I own. I do understand why you would ask though. There are plenty of people who don't know that Sweden and Switzerland aren't even in the same "neighborhood" in Europe.
@@waynehead7271 Sorry man! Just had to check :D Mmm.. As a Swede I'm used to being called a Swizz. I have to check out the Swiss Volcano Stove. Looks great when googling :)
I have put a trangia spirit burner in the Swiss rocket stove. The flame comes up about 10 inches and comes out the top of the stove. With the cup on top of the stove, the flames will lock around the cup.
@@jacobpedigo1475 Thanks for the info my friend. I have been wondering about how something like that would work in my stove. I will probably order, or make, something to test that myself. I appreciate your feedback. ✌🏼
You’re lucky to have the Trangia burner. Out of my 10 or more Ihave had or have, only one was a Trangia, the rest were the more usual SVEA ones. The Trangia looks a bit better made. I’d imagine the SVEA were made to a “lower cost per unit” price, so that’s why there were more of them. When the Swedish military commissioned a new back pack to replace the excellent M39, Hagloff produced a really good Bergen type rucksack very similar to the Norwegian “Telemark”, with pads on the shoulder straps. They decided these were too expensive for general use and the LK35 came into being, this other rucksack continued to be issued to troops however, who had back backs as it was superior in comfort, it was only discontinued in the early 90s.
I've got the stainless steel one and this thing is HEAVY. One pointer: You supposed to invert the lid while using it while boiling water. That's why it has that groove or "stepback" there, Using it that way prevents the handle folding down.
Great video, thanks! More military surplus gear reviews please! Mess kits, rucksacks, canteens, cutlery, knives. Btw, you can pick up a nice set of official Swedish nesting military cutlery for use with the mess kit 😀. Stay safe.
A lot of it is scarcity some of these are upwards of 80 years old. When I was a teenager, most surplus places would have a crate of these things where you could buy a full set for less than the price of a coffee- they really couldn't give them away back then. I've seen M40 sets go for £200 now :/ I was lucky enough to be able to pick up an M40 set last year for £50. I'll be buried with it now lol
the old things last. that's why they are still around. I got mine for 50 dollars too a couple of years ago. I also will be buried with it. Its my favorite. I just checked out ebay. There is only one on there and it is ridiculously priced. I guess they are becoming more rare. Thats a shame. A lot of folks like them
Unless you're planning on kicking it around a field, the aluminium version is plenty tough enough. I presume that's why they stopped making the stainless version. I've had mine for about 10 years, and it still looks like new, apart from the slight sooting. I think I paid £20 for the full kit from eBay, which came wrapped in a 1973 Swedish newspaper.
The BCB Crusader Mk2 that the British Military use is an excellent piece of kit. It doesn't come with a Trangia but, one fits very nicely in the bottom. Also, you can use the BCB Firedragon gel blocks or just twigs.
Back when I was in the British Army, I started with the 38 pattern water bottle and a brown enamel mug, which was quickly changed to a green plastic mug. On being posted to BAOR, I was issued 58 pattern with plastic water bottle and nesting mug. I did get my hands on a 44 pattern water bottle with cover and aluminium mug. I eventually managed to get my hands on 2 Aussie steel mugs. Anyway, up until all that, it was boil water in our mess tins, which we either drank straight from or tipped into a mug. I still like cooking in mess tins, now a Dutch steel set. Oh memories 😂
I love this setup. I have been looking for that "perfect" setup for my Trangia stove, but I prefer stainless a stainless steel pot over aluminum. I'd rather carry the extra weight. I've tasted water from aluminum vessels, and it's not enjoyable. Nevertheless, your review is greatly appreciated. There are so many good ideas with this kit.
Self Reliance Outfitters/Pathfinders makes a stainless steel exact replica of this kit that sells brand new cheaper than you can get a surplus one for!! 😎
Hello Ernie, Superb Swedish Military cook kit .. as always ... But have you tried the newer British Military .. Crusader II cook kit ... the stove is larger than the older Crusader One stove & is more versatile .. you can cook with a .. Trangia .. hexamine tabs .. or the new Fire Dragon alcohol fuel tabs or gel .. as well as it's a good old twigg stove ! ! The Crusader 2 pot is made from aluminium, which is ok ... but I prefer the older Crusader One stainless steel cup, it still fits the new stove but is much stronger ( although a bit heavyer) along with the Osprey black water bottle, all nesting together. Put a Trangia in the base of the stove & you have a robust all in one vesatlie cook kit ... Just ready to go. The Crusader kits are available on both Ebay & Amazon UK for less that £40.00 & you can .. mix & match ... different parts .. Have a look at some British TH-cam videos ... Thanks for your great informative videos & just keep 'em coming ! !
I just bought 1 new, never issued M40 with all the accessories for $50. plus shipping which came to $72. delivered. I purchased 2 more and got a break on the price and shipping for a little over $50 shipped with all the accessories. Again new, never issued stainless.
I stopped using most of my aluminium gear - it bends and dents too easy, wears off relatively fast and is difficult to keep clean. In contact with salty or acid food or remainings of such foods it corrodes, releasing extra aluminium to the food what is not really desirable. Concerning military surplus - yes there is plenty of stuff which is totally useful for the outdoors - compass, messkits, esbit stove and so on. I was carrying for years a military rucksack (German Army Gebirgsjägerrucksack - mountain infantry rucksack) and found it indestructible and very practical for my then purposes. For motorcycle rides the paratrooper boots were kind of a must in olden days. And the olive green T-Shirts I kept when I left service were of such superior quality that I could wear them for many years. The parka was another item once purchased and then used for almost decades. What you could test from all that stuff, well, I would just recommend to try once the Swiss military's 'Notkocher' (emergency stove) M71. It is a gel stove which can be reused and refilled in eternity with gel or simple alcohol. I prefer it over Trangia or Esbit stoves since it is so simple and efficient and can be easily transported in your cup or mug.
As someone already mentioned (and as you likely already know), the Pathfinder stainless steel reproduction of the aluminum Swedish set should be out in quarter 2 of 2022. It will have the exact shape of the aluminum set but the entire set will be stainless including the windshield (which is aluminum in all the sets). I would love to see you review this set when it drops. I am particularly interested in your feelings regarding durability of the new set when compared to the original Swedish steel mess kit. If you don’t have access to a stainless version, I can loan you a set (emphasis on “loan”) to use to compare.
Pathfinder/Self Reliance Outfitters have a reproduction in stainless steel. Also, please use a wooden spoon/spatula when cooking in aluminium. Your gear lasts longer. Thanks for sharing👍
40 Bucks! I'd pay that all day long... I first was introduced to that stove by Blackie Thomas, I know I really want one. Thank you so much for the review, I think you're great also. Have a great holiday. 👌🤠👍
Well I just ordered one I’m pretty excited but your right getting hard to find & when you do you gotta pay for it. 💯 They call me crazy but I’m a buy it once make it last a lifetime kinda guy. 🤷🏼♂️
Review the Alice pack. A backpack that have its flaws. But it will serve you for many years. Also having a frame is good. Now you can get many upgrades for it. Alice pack. Not fancy but 100% practical. Merry Christmas.
The swiss mess kit. That would be good to review. Thanks for sharing. This and the swiss are my favorites. Its about time you got one. looks like just in time as well as there does not seem to be any more available on ebay
I have one of these with all the stamps and markings. It suxs. First time I tried to use it it burnt 4 Oz EtOH and still had not brought a pint to boil. Second time it might have worked better. And the weigh 3 lbs. Now it just sits on a shelf in the garage.
Hey Ernie, I truly love ALL your videos ! I really appreciate U, and your "style" sir ! Can U please tell me what boots (make / model) U were wearing in this vid ?
Can you do a video on who invented and when the Swedish military mess kit windscreen was made? Also another video I would love to see you do is making version of the Swedish military mess kit that uses a gas burner, rather than a Trangia alcohol stove, (you know much like how the civilian Trangia mess kits have that gas conversion kit, it would be awesome to see a version of that with the military set up.)
I have one as well i use it all the time I started to use a polish army mess kit very good i use it with the Swedish army mess kit but you have to redesign the windshield for the polish army mess kit
It's my understanding that the Swedish military will not release to the public current issue items. Only items no longer in service. I say that because several years ago military surplus catalog got their hands on the current uniform at the time and was told by the government to sell what they had but cease to purchase any more.
Hi again Ernie, I know you are taking a break from TH-cam videos, but when you decide to come back, please consider my video suggestion. Wishing you all the best and hope all is well with you. Always enjoy your videos.
I just went with the Polish, stainless mess kit. Bought 2 of them ($100, for each) for what I would have paid for the stainless M40, I'll get the Pathfinder stainless version, when it comes out. And later on, the price should drop for the original, M40, stainless, yeah. That full set goes for around $200 on eBay. I have all of the components.... Just waiting to come across another pot.
Have you tried Pathfinder USA made swiss stainless steel replica. I have one coming tomorrow. Hopefully regular trangia burner will work. Companion to my Trangia 25, 27 and mini. I may need help for this obvious addiction.
The trangia fuel bottle spit fuel out of the top valve as you were pouring it?! At 5:08 . Does that happen often? Do you have any idea why? I was planning to get one for safety reason but if it spills fuel out like that it's not good. Any thought? Is that a common problem? Thanks! Enjoying your videos!
someone sent me one of these Swedish stoves thinking it was Polish thinking it would cit my Polish military mess kit. it does fit but the shape of the Polish Trangia burner. I told the person who sent it to me that the stove/pot stand is Swedish and how to tell the origin
Self-reliance outfitters produces an m40 reproduction in stainless sans the alcohol bottle and plastic cup. They offer their own version alcohol stove at extra cost, all at a responsible cost...fyi
The dutch, english, australian mess tins...i use the dutch since 1978.... No, not the same pair...and a gasoline burner...in the army only trioxane! There was kerosene,diesel and car gas,but no alcohol...
Yes great kits got the German version from the 70s still going strong same as the Swedes but stainless.. Review the Yugoslavian mess kit its a nice solo kit to
The value of the issued fuel bottle is that, in cold weather(think Sweden), it slips into a shirt or similar inner pocket under your coat to keep it warm. Helps make it light easier. It is more difficult to do that with the trangia dispenser. I use mine in cold weather a lot.
Thank you for articulating this function. I usually do the same with a 2oz HDPE nalgene container. This smaller container stays in a warm pocket on my torso. The trangia is the bottle that rides in a cargo box or side pocket on a backpack. This is a considerable amount of weight but is a durable and versatile combo.
Hello,
Where did you get your "snuskburk"?
@@andersholmstrom3571 As I recall I got it on ebay.
@@rockanderson2255
This is what I used in the army in the eigthies, but the one I had was stainless.
It is a shame I did not get one after the cold war ended and the military was greatly reduced.
They sold lots of stuff as surplus.
Now they are really hard to come by.
There is an American company called "Pathfinder" that is currently making the Swedish mess kits now in stainless steel. They are expensive though.
If I may, I have a couple of hacks for the SMK. The bail handle and hook - you will notice there are two notches in the bail handle, one at the top for normal hanging of the pot over a fire, and a second off-set notch. By positioning the hook in this second notch and threading the hook through the latch on the side of the pot you get a 'locked' handle to save you burning or scalding your fingers when tipping the pot to pour water or other hot liquids. It also makes it easy to hold if eating straight from the pot. The second hack involves the two D-rings on the lid / pan handle. By threading a stick or wooden stake through the D-rings you get an extended pan handle that also insulates you from the handle if it has got too hot. Hope these are of use, they work for me, if my explanations aren't quite clear, Google is your friend... 👍🏻All the best, Paul 🙏🏻
I carry a couple of short pieces of 1"x1" wood inside mine to jack the stove up off of the burner for less scalding when actually "cooking" in it as opposed to just boiling.
These M-40 type mess kits are some of the most functional kits out there. I have the Pathfinder version in stainless steel and it is an excellent value. - Tennessee Smoky
You can turn the wind screen upside down - craddle the stove in the pot stand legs and you use it with a larger pan or skillet. Very useful.
I really love it when you actually put your equipment to use other than boiling water. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the reviews. I just wanna pick up some tips n tricks for cooking on the trail/camp and cleanup would be great as well!! I want to go on a 3 or 4 day camping trip and really don't want to get myself sick lol... 😎
I had a 3 peice WW2 German mess kit plus a German WW2 canteen. Got that in the mid 80's from a German Tornado pilot, doing low level flying on base in Labrador. I worked for them ,custodial.
Ernie, if you use the small pot as a lid, putting it on upright (instead of inverted) makes it fit inside the top of the large pot. This makes it easier to get on and off without the risk of tipping the whole set up over.
I noticed that and, in that way, it allows you to keep whatever you have already cooked in the smaller pan warm, while keeping a lid on whatever you're cooking in the larger one. That makes great sense when cooking in extremely cold conditions.
A good friend gifted me one before he passed away. That got me started and yes these are amazing kits. Mine is stainless and is great.
"Pro tip", actually two tips, for the Trangia version of alcohol stoves:
Always check to see that the rubber o-ring seal in the lid stays in the lid. I had one come loose and be left on the burner and in my haste and otherwise engagement with food-preparation-related activities I failed to notice this fact and I lit the stove with the rubber ring on it.
I did, however, most certainly not fail to notice the smell and black smoke from my field-kitchen; something rather unusual for the normal routine. I had to put it out and deal with the now burned stuck rubber. Most of it could be peeled off in flakes once dried, but it took some work, and what little was left was kinda burned-in and not smoking or so during further use. They work well without the o-ring seal though and this one continued to serve me well for the rest of my time with it (until I gave it back to the Swedish Air Force as it wasn't owned by me). Without the o-ring seal you can not store and carry fuel in the burner the same way you can with one which has the o-ring though, but see point and second tip below.
You are not supposed to store fuel in them for transport or long periods anyways we were taught unless for absolute necessity, such as if you for some reason really need to bring fuel and have no suitable container at all for some reason because someone shot a hole in your fuel container or something. I don't know, they didn't specify.
Anyways, this is for a few reasons. One is because they can leak and particularly so with older burners as the brass and o-ring seal age and with heavy use. For example they may come to develop small cracks or so on the lid around the screw-threads (which mine had by the way, perhaps also a contributing factor as to why the o-ring seal came off that one time). Long time exposure to the fuel can also damage/weaken the rubber o-ring which would be good to have in case you really do need to use it as a fuel storage container at some point. For that reason it is preferable to fully burn out or vent the burner a little to keep it dry and best cared for when you are not using it. At least such is what I gathered as for the reasons not to store and carry fuel in the burner itself. Of course the o-ring seal may also keep residue vapours contained when need-be, so it is good to have regardless in that way.
One other added benefit I can conceive for not having fuel stored in them may be to lessen the risk of spillage when opening the burner itself (more easily done if cold enough to lose dexterity, under stress, etc) as covering yourself in flammable liquid prior to intending to light a fire is probably a bad idea.
So there you go. Don't go burning your rubber unless you're making donuts and know what you're doing if you're storing fuel in the burner itself.
Thank you for describing the problems with keeping fuel in the Trangia.
Hey Doc, It is so cool a doctor takes the time to enjoy and video an interest I have in stoves and military cook kits. I have a knock-off M-44 myself and I bought it because I thought the design was awesome. It is a very versatile bit of gear and serves me well after a couple mods to the windscreen and handle. I would never do this on an original one, due to the collector's value. Anyway, thanks for showing this to us all. I saw that Dave Canterberry of the Pathfinders School sells a modern version of this cook kit in stainless steel on his website. It is about $65 dollars. I hope people will always sell this design because to me it works well. I also live in Jacksonville, Ar. on the Air Force Base, so we are neighbors.
I bought one of those back in 1993 as a young man, it was the very first piece of camping gear i bought.
They're great stoves and there's basically nothing that can go wrong with them. The only issue is they're wind sensitive in cold weather. If you try to run one in the snow exposed to even a light breeze it will steal the heat so quickly the water will never boil. Then again every alcohol stove kind of putters out in the snow so it's not Trangia exclusive.
I bought half a dozen of the M/40 versions in stainless steel about 20 years ago. They were tow for ten dollars then. I gave four of them away to family members for emergency cooking when the power goes out. Heavy as all get up, but a rock solid performer.
Over time I learned that surplus comes and goes in waves. Those poncho capes that seemed to be in endless supply for three bucks are now twenty dollars if you can find them. Sort of like the supply and cost of an SKS when the Soviet Union first collapsed in the early 90's compared to now in 93 you could get one for $75. Now they're hard to find for $600.
If you find something you like , buy early and buy a lot. Otherwise the price will go up tenfold if you can find one at all.
The base actually works well for a wood stove. Plus the d-rings on the put handles lend themselves to using a stick to extend the handle for cooking over a fire. The bale works great for use as a billy pot too,
I have one of the stainless steel ones, I think I paid 15 or 20 euros for it some 10-15 years ago in a local surplus store. There was a lot of high quality Swedish military surplus for sale at very good prices here in Finland back then, I think the Swedes were modernizing their gear and selling off the "obsolete" stuff.
The actual mess kit is stamped "Jense" I think but I can't find a year stamp on it. I read somewhere that the steel ones were made before or during the WW2 and after that they started using aluminium. My pot stand is made by Svea in 1966 I believe and the burner is a Trangia one with no year stamp.
A nice setup, takes little space and virtually indestructible, though a little on the heavy side. I've used it a lot, well worth the price though not sure if I'd pay much more for it as a regular Trangia set can be had brand new for something like 45 euros and it's a little more versatile with two pots and a simmer ring.
Much of my outdoor gear is military surplus, I like the simplicity, ruggedness, high quality and affordable prices, though some of the trendier "hipster hikers" will frown upon you if any of your gear is olive green or, god forbid, camouflage.
A tip on the Trangia fuel bottle: keep the bottle upright when pressing the valve and only then tilt the bottle to pour the fuel. If you open the valve when the bottle is horizontal fuel will squirt everywhere as happened in the video if there's pressure in the bottle.
Man, thanks for the tremendous amount of work you've done to make all these videos. It's a blast to surf your channel!
Nice review, I've got both the aluminum, M44 and some stainless steel ones, M40. I preffer the steel ones. They're absolutely bombproof. Oh yes, heavy and a little fiddly to clean but worth every ounce carrying...
I remember many hikes as a scout here in Sweden using the civilian Trangia. Still use them today :) Good stuff. I also remember us using some old army tents in the scouts. Bulky old things but the wooden stove was awesome. Didn't help us much though when our tent got flooded when a storm hit and our sleeping pads started flooting away and our sleeping bags got soaked :D
An ultra-reliable, simple, rugged and effective vintage set-up that's to this day still a proven winner. For here in Alaska during late shoulder seasons & winter... Better freezing conditions practice is to use kit's surplus plastic fuel flask (Swedes did this on purpose) or run yellow HEET original packaging (visible easy pour bottle). This way you can keep fuel warmer on your person and plastic is nicer on the hands. To quiet the whole kit down from rattling/clanging, keep kit all together for transport, etc. is a vintage USA military snowshoe toe-strap. Original vintage was leather straps w/ buckles. Today... optimize by going a modern approach with 1" polypro Cam-straps we use for rafting, or Voile or Titan straps made of polyurethane for skiing. There are several other tips and tricks I could share concerning intended usage of design features. That said, have fun with a most excellent cooking system. Hard pressed to find better allrounder.
I bought a few of these Swedish army trangia cook sets around a decade ago as they were in abundance, cost me £9 each for the aluminium versions, they were late 40s early 50s, used but in excellent condition.
I gave 2 away to friends and I stored my other away.
I recentl took a fancy to using one for a nice cold weather stew and couldn't for the life of me find my set, maybe it's on the attic??? Anyways I thought I'd look for one for sale as they are cheap enough.....£80 was the cheapest I could find, £110 formthr SS version.
Crazy prices.....I instead decided to got for the Pathfinder SS replica for £90.
I wish I'd kept my old kit now instead of giving to friends I'd be rich haha 😜
You are so correct about prices going up. 2004 I bought an 3 pack of complete M40's for $15. I love the kit and have used it many times. Yes they are bulky but worth the money.
What a great stove they are. I paid $15 for a really old stainless model many years ago but it was really dirty. I think I spent a couple of days cleaning it up. I have no idea what was burned on it but it took forever to clean it up. Like new now and it is my go to. I never thought of the fuel bottle into a pocket for warming it up. Great trick. Thanks and enjoy. I had to replace the soldered unit as it just was cracking everywhere including inside. My new burner has a simmer ring and is worth it. Don't forget to remove the o ring BEFORE you put out the flame and reinstall when cooled. I just went to go see what year mine was made and it has no date, but it does have the crown stamp and the wording as best as I can see "PRESSBOXXGET ESKILSLUNA". The two x's are stamped under the crown and cannot make those out. The burner I got it with is a Svea # 64. It also has the crowns stamped in it. It does have a full length crack up the inside of the burner. Probably ok. It means something like "Made in good faith in Eskilsluna (A town in Sweden) Hopefully someone knows better that I about this.
Glad I got my stainless one years back for lik$68 vs the $250 they seem to be around now. Insane I don’t believe surplus is drying up. But something made them become popular an they jacked prices
Your windscreen was made by Hasselfors Preciform AB (HP) in 1989, in Sweden. Some history: NC is the code for the factory Nickelfabriks AB Gottfrid Carlsson (aka Nickelbolaget) in Eskilstuna Sweden. SVEA was the brand used at the time. In 1976 Nickelbolaget had over 85 years of experience producing sheet metal components for the Swedish army. Nickelbolaget acquired AB Carl Särenholm, a company that produced metal components for the Swedish army since the 1930's. In the spring of 1978, the company changed its name to Hasselfors Preciform AB (HP). I don't know what KPP stands for. I haven’t seen unpainted cook pots in service, they were all painted black, grey or green. Best regards, Klas in Sweden.
Thanks for the history and context!
Great information.
I have 2 M40's, which I scraped the paint off, back to the steel.
That was just my preference, as the paint work looked rubbish.
Great gear, painted or not.
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Used these 27 years ago in the swedish army. A real good little kit for sure. Litttle on the heavy side and the bottles with the fluid always leaked. 😂
Put the lid upside down then it is much easier to take it on and off, and the heat from the boiling steam does it make you able to both cook the ossta and the pasta sauce at the same time. Saves you both time and fuel.
Great review, and I hope you do comparisons of military mess kits. Us WW1 mess kit is 1 of my favorites, small, compact, fits well about anywhere. Thanks for your time
Great!
Would love to see a review of the British military BCB Crusader mess kits. They have them in stainless (Mk I), aluminum (Mk II), and hybrid versions where they mix and match the stainless and aluminum parts (Dragon and Multi-Fuel cooking system).
Years ago I got the military Trangia burner. Now I guess I need the rest of the set. And I love the white bottles. I have four of them. Very easy to story and carry. I also have the Trangia spring loaded fuel bottle. Nice set up.
I have a French Army mess kit from the Algerian War.
No, it doesn't come with a stove, but it really is the neatest thing and I suggest you have a look for one. They come in two styles, one is pretty basic and the other is the 'officer's version' (or so I have been told) that has a non stick pan. Both types are identical with a flip over clip/pan handle.
G'day Ernie. Thanks for another great video. I believe Dave Canterbury is set to release a stainless reproduction run of this mess kit early next year.
I am particularly fond of my Swiss Volcano Stove set, in aluminum. That's the name it was sold under, and I got it for about $13 a number of years ago. The last one I saw for sale was three, or more, times that.
It has 3 pieces: the chimney (or burn chamber), the cup/container for cooking in, and a double wall bottle with a cork stopper for use as a canteen.
I have used it with solid fuel tablets, and biofuels, to great success. Haven't tried any alcohol burners in it yet, but I have made a "hobo heater" from cardboard & wax in a can to try with it. I expect that it will be successful when I do.
It's lightweight, compact, durable, and made to be used while suspended from an e-tool (or other rigging) above the snow covered ground.
Love to get your opinion on it, if you can find one. Always enjoy your work, and value the information. Thank you.
Just have to check. You know that Switzerland isn't Sweden right?
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Yeah, I am aware of that.
He asked for suggestions about *other* surplus items to try out, so I just suggested that he look for the one that I own.
I do understand why you would ask though. There are plenty of people who don't know that Sweden and Switzerland aren't even in the same "neighborhood" in Europe.
@@waynehead7271 Sorry man! Just had to check :D Mmm.. As a Swede I'm used to being called a Swizz. I have to check out the Swiss Volcano Stove. Looks great when googling :)
I have put a trangia spirit burner in the Swiss rocket stove. The flame comes up about 10 inches and comes out the top of the stove. With the cup on top of the stove, the flames will lock around the cup.
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Thanks for the info my friend.
I have been wondering about how something like that would work in my stove. I will probably order, or make, something to test that myself.
I appreciate your feedback. ✌🏼
You’re lucky to have the Trangia burner. Out of my 10 or more Ihave had or have, only one was a Trangia, the rest were the more usual SVEA ones. The Trangia looks a bit better made. I’d imagine the SVEA were made to a “lower cost per unit” price, so that’s why there were more of them. When the Swedish military commissioned a new back pack to replace the excellent M39, Hagloff produced a really good Bergen type rucksack very similar to the Norwegian “Telemark”, with pads on the shoulder straps. They decided these were too expensive for general use and the LK35 came into being, this other rucksack continued to be issued to troops however, who had back backs as it was superior in comfort, it was only discontinued in the early 90s.
Thanks for the review! I purchased the same kit which has the svea burner. I would love to see more surplus reviews. Take good care.
i wish id have seen videos about these 10 years ago. cause good luck finding them now for a reasonable price.
I've got the stainless steel one and this thing is HEAVY. One pointer: You supposed to invert the lid while using it while boiling water. That's why it has that groove or "stepback" there, Using it that way prevents the handle folding down.
The sound of the fork scraping gave me goosebumps 😬
Would like to see a review of the Sigg Tourist kit using a Svea 123 for heat.
Great video, thanks! More military surplus gear reviews please! Mess kits, rucksacks, canteens, cutlery, knives. Btw, you can pick up a nice set of official Swedish nesting military cutlery for use with the mess kit 😀. Stay safe.
Hi Ernie 👋, try turning the windscreen upsidedown and using it as a wood burner
Merry Christmas Ernie!
The D-rings on the handle are for putting a stick through. That way you can extend the handle and put it in/over a fire.
A lot of it is scarcity some of these are upwards of 80 years old.
When I was a teenager, most surplus places would have a crate of these things where you could buy a full set for less than the price of a coffee- they really couldn't give them away back then. I've seen M40 sets go for £200 now :/ I was lucky enough to be able to pick up an M40 set last year for £50. I'll be buried with it now lol
the old things last. that's why they are still around. I got mine for 50 dollars too a couple of years ago. I also will be buried with it. Its my favorite. I just checked out ebay. There is only one on there and it is ridiculously priced. I guess they are becoming more rare. Thats a shame. A lot of folks like them
I like this mess kit one of my fav as well
Unless you're planning on kicking it around a field, the aluminium version is plenty tough enough. I presume that's why they stopped making the stainless version.
I've had mine for about 10 years, and it still looks like new, apart from the slight sooting.
I think I paid £20 for the full kit from eBay, which came wrapped in a 1973 Swedish newspaper.
John Sherwood posts a lot of military mess kit reviews. The German mess kits are popular.
The BCB Crusader Mk2 that the British Military use is an excellent piece of kit. It doesn't come with a Trangia but, one fits very nicely in the bottom. Also, you can use the BCB Firedragon gel blocks or just twigs.
I have the BCB Crusader Mk2 as well. I use a trangia with it and find it excellent just as you do. I had to improvise a lid for the crusader cup.
Back when I was in the British Army, I started with the 38 pattern water bottle and a brown enamel mug, which was quickly changed to a green plastic mug.
On being posted to BAOR, I was issued 58 pattern with plastic water bottle and nesting mug.
I did get my hands on a 44 pattern water bottle with cover and aluminium mug.
I eventually managed to get my hands on 2 Aussie steel mugs.
Anyway, up until all that, it was boil water in our mess tins, which we either drank straight from or tipped into a mug.
I still like cooking in mess tins, now a Dutch steel set. Oh memories 😂
I love this setup. I have been looking for that "perfect" setup for my Trangia stove, but I prefer stainless a stainless steel pot over aluminum. I'd rather carry the extra weight. I've tasted water from aluminum vessels, and it's not enjoyable. Nevertheless, your review is greatly appreciated. There are so many good ideas with this kit.
Self Reliance Outfitters/Pathfinders makes a stainless steel exact replica of this kit that sells brand new cheaper than you can get a surplus one for!! 😎
Hello Ernie,
Superb Swedish Military cook kit .. as always ... But have you tried the newer British Military .. Crusader II cook kit ... the stove is larger than the older Crusader One stove & is more versatile .. you can cook with a .. Trangia .. hexamine tabs .. or the new Fire Dragon alcohol fuel tabs or gel .. as well as it's a good old twigg stove ! !
The Crusader 2 pot is made from aluminium, which is ok ... but I prefer the older Crusader One stainless steel cup, it still fits the new stove but is much stronger ( although a bit heavyer) along with the Osprey black water bottle, all nesting together.
Put a Trangia in the base of the stove & you have a robust all in one vesatlie cook kit ... Just ready to go.
The Crusader kits are available on both Ebay & Amazon UK for less that £40.00 & you can .. mix & match ... different parts ..
Have a look at some British TH-cam videos ...
Thanks for your great informative videos & just keep 'em coming ! !
I just bought 1 new, never issued M40 with all the accessories for $50. plus shipping which came to $72. delivered. I purchased 2 more and got a break on the price and shipping for a little over $50 shipped with all the accessories. Again new, never issued stainless.
Nice review. Scandinavians make beautiful gear.
I stopped using most of my aluminium gear - it bends and dents too easy, wears off relatively fast and is difficult to keep clean. In contact with salty or acid food or remainings of such foods it corrodes, releasing extra aluminium to the food what is not really desirable.
Concerning military surplus - yes there is plenty of stuff which is totally useful for the outdoors - compass, messkits, esbit stove and so on. I was carrying for years a military rucksack (German Army Gebirgsjägerrucksack - mountain infantry rucksack) and found it indestructible and very practical for my then purposes. For motorcycle rides the paratrooper boots were kind of a must in olden days. And the olive green T-Shirts I kept when I left service were of such superior quality that I could wear them for many years. The parka was another item once purchased and then used for almost decades.
What you could test from all that stuff, well, I would just recommend to try once the Swiss military's 'Notkocher' (emergency stove) M71. It is a gel stove which can be reused and refilled in eternity with gel or simple alcohol. I prefer it over Trangia or Esbit stoves since it is so simple and efficient and can be easily transported in your cup or mug.
As someone already mentioned (and as you likely already know), the Pathfinder stainless steel reproduction of the aluminum Swedish set should be out in quarter 2 of 2022. It will have the exact shape of the aluminum set but the entire set will be stainless including the windshield (which is aluminum in all the sets). I would love to see you review this set when it drops. I am particularly interested in your feelings regarding durability of the new set when compared to the original Swedish steel mess kit. If you don’t have access to a stainless version, I can loan you a set (emphasis on “loan”) to use to compare.
What, what??! There's a reproduction set being made in stainless steel!?! Oh my!! Do you happen to know where I might find details please???
Pathfinder/Self Reliance Outfitters have a reproduction in stainless steel. Also, please use a wooden spoon/spatula when cooking in aluminium. Your gear lasts longer. Thanks for sharing👍
Thanks Doc for a fun and informative video.
A friend of mine bought one of these for £12uk,it had the later trangia gas burner inside,(worth£53!), that's one the dealer didn't shake..
Ernie between you and Luke we get pretty much all the info we need. Thanks for the review. Bushyboy Oz.
40 Bucks! I'd pay that all day long...
I first was introduced to that stove by Blackie Thomas, I know I really want one. Thank you so much for the review, I think you're great also. Have a great holiday. 👌🤠👍
Wow, $40. That’s a steal. I paid way more for one without the three crowns.
Great score.
Well I just ordered one I’m pretty excited but your right getting hard to find & when you do you gotta pay for it. 💯
They call me crazy but I’m a buy it once make it last a lifetime kinda guy. 🤷🏼♂️
I'm for more reviews like this Ernie
Great video thanks for sharing
Review the Alice pack. A backpack that have its flaws. But it will serve you for many years. Also having a frame is good. Now you can get many upgrades for it. Alice pack. Not fancy but 100% practical. Merry Christmas.
Super nice kit. I like that one a lot.
Really interesting. A meal after my own heart.
The swiss mess kit. That would be good to review. Thanks for sharing. This and the swiss are my favorites. Its about time you got one. looks like just in time as well as there does not seem to be any more available on ebay
I have one of these with all the stamps and markings. It suxs. First time I tried to use it it burnt 4 Oz EtOH and still had not brought a pint to boil. Second time it might have worked better.
And the weigh 3 lbs. Now it just sits on a shelf in the garage.
Hey Ernie, I truly love ALL your videos ! I really appreciate U, and your "style" sir ! Can U please tell me what boots (make / model) U were wearing in this vid ?
I want to know what kind of pasta Paleo Hiker MD is eating? My go to is Andean Dream.
Can you do a video on who invented and when the Swedish military mess kit windscreen was made? Also another video I would love to see you do is making version of the Swedish military mess kit that uses a gas burner, rather than a Trangia alcohol stove, (you know much like how the civilian Trangia mess kits have that gas conversion kit, it would be awesome to see a version of that with the military set up.)
I've wanted to get one of these forever. Like you said they have really gone up in price.
I have one as well i use it all the time I started to use a polish army mess kit very good i use it with the Swedish army mess kit but you have to redesign the windshield for the polish army mess kit
Great video!
What pack are you hauling there?
At the opening of this video when you're walking away what is the pack you're wearing and the side pouches too.
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Pathfinder has a stainless steel set , but I can't justify buying it yet
Good review , thanks for sharing , God bless !
It's my understanding that the Swedish military will not release to the public current issue items. Only items no longer in service. I say that because several years ago military surplus catalog got their hands on the current uniform at the time and was told by the government to sell what they had but cease to purchase any more.
It's a nice video. It was fun.
You got the whole kit for $40? If so that is a very good price.
Ordered the Pathfinder PFM-40 Cook Set. It's Stainless Steel. Just curious on what brand alcohol fuel did you use? Deer Man Out
Hi again Ernie, I know you are taking a break from TH-cam videos, but when you decide to come back, please consider my video suggestion. Wishing you all the best and hope all is well with you. Always enjoy your videos.
I just went with the Polish, stainless mess kit. Bought 2 of them ($100, for each) for what I would have paid for the stainless M40, I'll get the Pathfinder stainless version, when it comes out. And later on, the price should drop for the original, M40, stainless, yeah. That full set goes for around $200 on eBay. I have all of the components.... Just waiting to come across another pot.
Have you tried Pathfinder USA made swiss stainless steel replica. I have one coming tomorrow. Hopefully regular trangia burner will work. Companion to my Trangia 25, 27 and mini. I may need help for this obvious addiction.
I have the Russian/Soviet version of this style of mess kit.
The trangia fuel bottle spit fuel out of the top valve as you were pouring it?! At 5:08 . Does that happen often? Do you have any idea why? I was planning to get one for safety reason but if it spills fuel out like that it's not good. Any thought? Is that a common problem? Thanks! Enjoying your videos!
He,nice Video , what's up with Bivy Bags ? I have one of the Dutch Army ,and I love this Thing !?
Greetings from Germany
someone sent me one of these Swedish stoves thinking it was Polish thinking it would cit my Polish military mess kit. it does fit but the shape of the Polish Trangia burner. I told the person who sent it to me that the stove/pot stand is Swedish and how to tell the origin
I noticed that when I post something it disappears. Am I doing something wrong?
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Another great video, how about checking out ex military sleeping bags, I think they would be interesting, merry Christmas .
I remember these mess kit being so cheap i just bought a M44 for an outrageous $150
I just got mine with a date code of 1962
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Is it larger than the BCB crusader
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Self-reliance outfitters produces an m40 reproduction in stainless sans the alcohol bottle and plastic cup. They offer their own version alcohol stove at extra cost, all at a responsible cost...fyi
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The dutch, english, australian mess tins...i use the dutch since 1978.... No, not the same pair...and a gasoline burner...in the army only trioxane! There was kerosene,diesel and car gas,but no alcohol...
Got mine stainless one for 6.50 euro.....ok 19 jears ago;-)
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Yes great kits got the German version from the 70s still going strong same as the Swedes but stainless.. Review the Yugoslavian mess kit its a nice solo kit to