If A-train does have a self sacrifice fight against Homelander this season I wanna see him just say fuck it and take so much V that we get to see someone actually beat the dogshit out of Homie for a minute before going down.
If he took that much, he'd just have a an overdose and probably another heart attack like immediately. Also there has to be a physical limitation to how much one can take and V still having an amping affect on the person. There are a limited number of receptors in the human body. Only so much of V can bind to so many cells before it is no longer useful to amp and instead ends up paralysing the person. Personally, I think A train vs Starlight is probably him at the peak of his strength. Like he literally has a stroke afterwards. Plus even if he was faster than Homelander, I don't think he could damage him. He gets his leg snapped in half by Kimiko who uses a metal rod. It's verbatim stated that Homelander can survive all kinds of artillery and that implied nukes as well. Unless A train becomes as powerful as HL somehow, there's not much chance of seeing that happen. Even Soldier Boy, Hughie and Butcher amped on V together couldn't jump him. It's theorised that Soldier Boy's V destroying radiation wouldn't even work, cuz V isn't just inside HL, he is fundamentally made of it and is technically the genetically perfect version of SB. Homelander maybe a diabolical villain, but he certainly isn't a fraud. If this happens, it's definitely to give A train some plot convenience before he dies.
@@cringegoblin5227 you dont have to be a strong fighter to dodge attacks if you're "mach 18 reaction speed". Hughie isnt relative to Mach 18 at all💀 this just proves scaling is bs and doesnt work in the boys verse, supes are as strong as the plot needs
@@chillingtonchillyeah it’s weird that in that first season he was able to save butcher which implied super speed than in cannon diabolical episode in which we see his origins he displays superspeed than when he has fight scenes no super speed is displayed. Just very inconsistent writing
I think him dodging light just kinda proves that Starlight's attacks don't move at light speed, considering they were dodged by a hypersonic character. Like...you'd have to be pretty dumb to actually think her attacks are that fast when all logic about the world and the characters blatantly contridicts that.
@@panpan1287I think people just assume she's shooting light because her hero name is Starlight. But im certain its inaccurate. Like with Translucent. Which doesnt mean fully transparent. I think Starlight's power is more akin to hurling bolts of plasma.
@@panpan1287But……Spiderman MCU reaction speed is the speed of light despite outside of that not showing any feats close to that? It’s just powerscaling bs but he had to be moving at around at least 30% the speed of light
Lowkey I think this is a good debate, one thing to consider is that while he’s not faster than her lasers A-Train was able to move at a comparable speed to then to make them appear slow, whereas Starlight in season 3 could tag Soldier Boy with her blasts
I think that was when he had heart issues. We haven't seen his peak with the new heart, so I think he's got a pretty good chance against Homelander. And even if Homelander is faster, he doesn't have a fast reaction speed like A-Train.
I do think a train is just the fastest because the writers have token an effort to say that these numbers that make no sense happen all the time when they don't even understand how fast the cast are
Objection!!!! A Train is faster , he would be able to do the same thing homelander did but easier. He was able to get to hughie and leave without homelander knowing. If homelander was faster then why was he getting punched by Soulja Boy lol
@@Juulkageno he doesn’t 😭 Homelander has been hit point blank range by regular punches, he’s also been hit by a car being thrown at him If it wasn’t for the plot demanding HL being the main villain he would’ve been blitzed already (by comparison A train can dodge things that are going at regular speeds, he’s easily dodged starlights blast while being on the midst of a heart attack)
@@evangingerson1271 Doesn't matter. He beat Soldier Boy. Then Butcher came and he beath both Soldier Boy and Butcher. Then Hughie showed up. Still escaped from 1v3. Dodging attacks doesn't matter if Homelander catches A-Train just once, It's over.
I wonder if Homelander could scale to A-Train’s speed amped, even without amps. I don’t think we’ve seen his peak speed. If not, he could probably take the same amp stuff and NOT have a heart attack after lol.
Homelanders ground and reaction speed or way less than a trains sure his travel speed is fast but that doesnt matter much unless he stays in the air running away and firing lasers which is out of character
I think homelander is currently taking V coz when A train looked through homie's compund V drawer, a ton of vials were missing and A train said that homelander has all the vials of V.
Homelander didn't out run the detonator. Homelander was in between the detonator and Butcher, Sheilding Butcher from the Blast. Also if Homelander was faster, he would Raced Shock wave and A-Train just to get praise from fans.
And HL has laser vision. In theory, he should be able to split anyone in half whenever he wants. Doesn't matter that A-T is fast, bc mach speed is many orders of magnitude slower than light. If HL fights someone and doesn't kill them, its either because he doesn't actually want to kill them (he wanted to have kids with Maeve for example, so he didn't kill her even though he could have), or it's bad writing.
A-Train took MM to the Hospital and came back to the Tech Knight party without Homelander even knowing.. Plus he pulled a Freight Train with a Broken leg Btw.. He now has a Heart from another Sup
That's just casual S4 atrocious writing. Homelander in S1 while searching for Translucent was clocked north of mach 87. A-Train amped up on V racing for his life against Shockwave was mach 1,5. They aren't even close in terms of speed. Homelander at 18 already made bullets look frozen in the air in Diabolical, and most bullets are around soundspeed (mach 1), with many being up to three times that. So Homelander at 18 was already faster (on foot) than A-Train amped up on V. A-Train knows this btw. That's why he has no delusion in hell about escaping or fighting Homelander.
@@TheStraightestWhitest He definitely was not moving at no damn Mach 87. Official statements from the wiki and the show state he's faster than an F-16 which would make him Mach 2. You could probably highball him to mach 5 even but mach 87 is absolutely ridiculous.
He'd have to literally get about 40x as fast as he currently is to be faster than Homelander was in S1. There's no shot. If A-Train ever fights Homelander and is faster than him, it's dogshit writing.
See this can't be real and I was literally thinking about this after the last episode. In the show A-Train is able to pick someone up and run so fast with them that nobody around can even see him moving or detect that he even ran by. That has to be incredibly fast.
@@donguieg5165 That's just casual S4 atrocious writing. Homelander in S1 while searching for Translucent was clocked north of mach 87. A-Train amped up on V racing for his life against Shockwave was mach 1,5. They aren't even close in terms of speed. Homelander at 18 already made bullets look frozen in the air in Diabolical, and most bullets are around soundspeed (mach 1), with many being up to three times that. So Homelander at 18 was already faster (on foot) than A-Train amped up on V. A-Train knows this btw. That's why he has no delusion in hell about escaping or fighting Homelander.
@@Godofwarenjoyerwe currently do not know if Homelander could survive a nuke. With wanking and statements, you can get him to mountain level. However, there is also a good chance the verse is a nuke victim. It isn’t the only nuke victim verse.
A better debate is all members of the seven there ever was vs homelander I honestly think homelander still wins since there would be useless members like sister sage,firework girl,black noir replacement,and the deep but translucent,starlight,Maeve,a train,nazi girl and black noir might do it
We've already seen Ryan who is weaker than Homelander take out Stormfront, Homelander could easily break Translucent's skin, Noir was killed by Homelander, didnt struggle too much woth Maeve, held down Starlight with ease, and would only be inconvenienced by A-Train.
you're downplaying the peak. he one shot a-train after being gill punched. and a-train was able to shrug off a sucker punch from v amp'd hughie, who could stagger and partially restrain fraudlander. as well, a-train one tapped starlight, who scales to stormfodder. so maybe the peak wasn't capping in episode one afterall 😅 Edit: season 4 episode 7 LMFAO I COOKED 🔥🔥🔥
Only going by the show, but A train is able to things like open doors while traveling in speed. He blew through a body without taking any damage himself while in speed. Also when he moves we don't see him till he stops, Homelander is seen when traveling most of the time. I think he maybe faster but limited to his normal sup reaction time. Like in season one when he was searching for Translucent he was easily seen in the sky. I don't think A train could win but Homelander won't be able to catch him.
A-Train is constantly pushing himself, Homelander barely tries. In season 1 f16 fighters were already in route to the plane before Homelander even left Vaught tower, yet he gets there and leaves before the jets ever do
@HolzHause right, I think Homelander is faster in flight, but is still limited in his sight and reactions to his normal super level. A-Train's sight and reactions, such as opening and closing doors, is adjusted to his super speed level when using it. So he would be able to out maneuver Homelander and avoid being beaten.
Flash can move faster or at the speed of light, throwing a punch or any even light objects like a rock or something would result in gigatons of energy imparted onto the target. The flash could run with a big ish rock and throw it at a mountain to end the world basically.
in season 1 when the boys are in the hideout with translucent, the camera that IDs homelander flying around clocks him in at 1800km/min, or around 67000mph
That's actually even faster than I had clocked him. That's mach 87. I had him around mach 55 based on the Butcher save in the finale of S1, and the fact that he'd been to space. So holy shit, he's really fast.
that's not right homelander was clocked at a highest of 1852 kp/hour not /min... so homelander moved at Mach 1,5 at 514 m/s while a-train moved at Mach 1,08 with 371 m/s during the race with shockwave
I actually think it's because A-Train is so scared of Homelander that he doesn't know how strong he is!!! especially after getting that heart transplant.
@@R1kual basically this. The first time he'll truly realize his potential is when he steps up to homelander as the hero he's becoming rather the lackey he was before.
@@NRG-REC i think A-Train will be the one who has to dose Homelander, nobody else could get close enough even on a kamikaze attempt. A-Train could do it, it would cost his life, but hes the only one I see being able to do it.
Having light attacks doesn't mean you're reaction speed is eaqual to the speed of light. Otherwise everyone with a torch would have light speed reactions
@@coolfella9745no, its perfectly put, another example is that flash perceive speed different than others, he is not just fast, he feels everything slower and his reaction is on his speed. The problem is that generally speedsters are over the top, so they have to make them powerless for the plot.
@@_Yombono he didn’t, he ignored other moments in the show, like even in the last episode with MM & the hospital, where we’ve seen A-Train move faster. And Homelander gets punched by regular attacks, so his reaction speed is not as fast.
@@captainhostile101 Homelander keeps Deep around because he's a good "yes man" for him, point and simple. He knows Deep would do a-ny-thing just to be in his favor, if it wasn't from that, he would have off him long time ago.
If the writers wrote it that way, I would be disappointed because in most comic iterations, the speedster is a master at speed. So while a “Superman type” may be strong and fast, usually any being that is a solo master at either one would outclass the Superman type, forcing them to push themselves to meet that challenge. It’s good balance overall. They could write it where a-train has been holding back because he knew that Homelander would consider him a threat.
The point of the show is that Homelander IS OP. No supe comes close to him which is why he is so lazy and full of himself.And why butcher feels the need to take him down at any cost.
Well one thing about A train is he's actually really strong and could possibly take homlander at full strength but he's lazy though and decided to start shooting up V rather than actually train its kinda why homlander makes fun of him for being outta shape. He's not as durable but strength wise he could probably do some real damage to homlander
Soldier boy gave Homelander a black eye, Maeve give him a bloody nose and stab him in the ear. A-Train's super strength and high speed could give Homelander a problem for a little while
If Maeve was able to pierce into Homelanders ear with a metal straw A-Train should be able to pierce it into his brain with his speed. We can't use logic and stuff to determine who is stronger because the whole thing of some characters is that they simply can't be beaten.
Its already multiple times stated Homelander is the strongest out of the Seven. Queen maeve was only able to hit him sinds he was holding back on her.😂 get ur bs together.
@@Juulkage strongest doesn't mean invincible. He will not be defeated because his role in the story is to not be defeated, unlike many Villains who are meant to be defeated by the protagonist to get stronger or bring the story forward.
@@Juulkage u should pull ur head outta ur donkey. All i said is we can't use common sense to determine who wins a fight or who is stronger when it's a story that is made up by humans who can simply decide what happens. Hell if the authors want the shrinking man from season 3 could defeat homelander😂 Just because u don't get my point doesn't mean i should delete my comment.
That whole shit if Jay being so slow is something Dc has started in just the last decade. As recently as the 2005-2010 run Jay ran side by side with Black Adam and was stated to be at Mach 500 and now he's been nerfed down to only Mach 20. Silver and bronze age he was as fast as Barry but with less stamina from age
I wouldnt say it was a side effect of being at a that speed. It was the temp v abuse causing him heart problems making him weaker. So he could be alot faster now
A-Train has better use of his speed otherwise HL would've blitzed Butcher, Soldier Boy and Mave. That explosion feat is insane but with A-Trains new heart his capabilities may be considerably higher than before
@Muicheerio He can overcome his fear of Homelander if he fully embrace he's a hero unlike Homelander. Plus, with his new Heart ❤️ he's faster with higher potential.
My understanding is that Homelander can generate faster speed while flying in a straight line, but he isn't capable of small distance speed and fast object manipulation, like entering a moving car, or making an origami under a second. Stuff like that
You're wrong about A-Train's speed. During his training we see him run around a running track in 1 second, and even less. And considering running track are standardized at 400 meters, which would put him at more than 900 mph and his brother said he was off. So his top speed is very probably in excess of 1000 mph like it was said right before his race. Which is 444.44 m/s or Mach 1.3. That's nowhere nearly Homelander's Mach 2 to Mach 4, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be precise.
I'm really curious and excited to find out what makes this a dusttale au, but that ending just might be what we were looking for! Something really cool I noticed was that despite the reset, you still had to save over your old file from the Throne Room, which might elude as to why someone might remember, but I'm definitely interested to see what's to come!
Suspicious calc, afaik there's not really a good reason to believe that homelander was actually moving faster than the impulse of the explosion, especially since that speed would have killed Billy In season 3 non amped a train is able to carry Hughie off the roof faster than homelander can catch up to him Doing calcs based off of a live action feat seems kind of silly at its core anyway, the director is absolutely not concerned with portraying anyone in a "canon" sense in terms of the filmography
I kind of agree with your logic regarding the explosion but at the same time, wouldn’t A-Train also have killed Hughie when he saved him from Homelander?
It doesn't even matter if A-Train was faster. It would be like with Omni Man and Red Rush. He just couldn't inflict enough damage to severely hurt Homelander no matter what
I always felt like that scene of Homelander being fast enough to save Butcher was a case of the writers straight up not realising how fast that makes him. Given that his flight speed is only about 40% faster than A-Train's amped running speed, and the two actual fights we've seen him in are way slower than either thing. They're probably moving faster than humans, sure, but unless you also want to scale Temp-V Butcher and Hughie to being that much faster than A-Train as well, since they were fighting Homelander and not being blitz'd, I feel like it's honestly just a weird outlier. We see A-Train fight at speed against Kimiko, and he's clearly moving faster compared to her by enough to blitz, but Homelander is moving relative to everyone else in that scene. And I just don't think temp V allows someone to move that much faster than a Supe whose whole deal is speed. Unless season 4 has repeated speed scaling which makes that speed consistent, I personally feel iffy about actually including it in debates. Combat speed is almost always slower than travel speed.
Homelander didn't save Stillwell's baby!. In season 2 at the orphanage for super babies that Hughie goes to Teddy Stillwell was there and he had teleportation powers. He's the little boy that just appeared and scared Hughie. The adoption lady even calls him Teddy Stillwell
I would say in the first scene the 371m/s is the max he can achieve in that short distance. I think his top speed is higher if he has a long enough runway
He is very fast at FLYING it doesn't scale with combat, proof of this is his fight with maeve, soldierboy, butcher and hughie. He didnt have massive reflexes or anything
A Train feels like that redemption arc we've all been waiting to see from someone. His brother even said that he never saved anyone. That scene when he busted in on the fight with The Deep and Black Noir was lit.
Remember that it was a big deal that Atrain received a heart transplant from Blue Hawk and having a “super abled heart” not only resolved his heart problems but could reasonably be argued enhanced his powers even more.
You all forgot that A-train save yu from homelander when he was on a rooftop chasing by homelander. Its seems thats A-train can't walk on wall so he just outspeed homelander at the point he didn't see him run near to him.
I like how homelander saved butcher from the explosion with super speed, demonstrating that he is very capable of saving lives like a real hero but he seldom does for the right reasons
It's known that homelander is the most powerful in the Boys universe. Soldier is only stronger if he just uses his crazy Explosion, but thats an exception
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@@r0x1cusits what deep says right after
If A-train does have a self sacrifice fight against Homelander this season I wanna see him just say fuck it and take so much V that we get to see someone actually beat the dogshit out of Homie for a minute before going down.
This.
Please 🙏
It's A-train last stop baby!
If he took that much, he'd just have a an overdose and probably another heart attack like immediately. Also there has to be a physical limitation to how much one can take and V still having an amping affect on the person.
There are a limited number of receptors in the human body. Only so much of V can bind to so many cells before it is no longer useful to amp and instead ends up paralysing the person.
Personally, I think A train vs Starlight is probably him at the peak of his strength. Like he literally has a stroke afterwards.
Plus even if he was faster than Homelander, I don't think he could damage him. He gets his leg snapped in half by Kimiko who uses a metal rod. It's verbatim stated that Homelander can survive all kinds of artillery and that implied nukes as well.
Unless A train becomes as powerful as HL somehow, there's not much chance of seeing that happen.
Even Soldier Boy, Hughie and Butcher amped on V together couldn't jump him. It's theorised that Soldier Boy's V destroying radiation wouldn't even work, cuz V isn't just inside HL, he is fundamentally made of it and is technically the genetically perfect version of SB.
Homelander maybe a diabolical villain, but he certainly isn't a fraud. If this happens, it's definitely to give A train some plot convenience before he dies.
@@KNullHypothesisthey weren’t amped on V. They had taken temp V.
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The train is ready to leave the station 🚄🗣🗣🗣
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@@Top_Chaos_Bunny the Cole train he is not
We goin back to Africa with this one 🔥🗣️
"scales to his reaction aswell" bro couldnt dodge a single punch from Butcher or SB 💀
They are also relative speed to him (butcher being amped) and homelander is really just not a good fighter like a 12 year old fighting 4 year olds
@@cringegoblin5227 you dont have to be a strong fighter to dodge attacks if you're "mach 18 reaction speed". Hughie isnt relative to Mach 18 at all💀 this just proves scaling is bs and doesnt work in the boys verse, supes are as strong as the plot needs
@@chillingtonchillyeah it’s weird that in that first season he was able to save butcher which implied super speed than in cannon diabolical episode in which we see his origins he displays superspeed than when he has fight scenes no super speed is displayed. Just very inconsistent writing
@@ashuprice9719 he has super speed, but only while travelling via flying im pretty sure, A-train actually has a combat and reaction feat
Even though he did dodge some?
“Yeah he outran light but that doesn’t count” is really funny ngl
I think him dodging light just kinda proves that Starlight's attacks don't move at light speed, considering they were dodged by a hypersonic character.
Like...you'd have to be pretty dumb to actually think her attacks are that fast when all logic about the world and the characters blatantly contridicts that.
Because it was an amped atrain so that feat wouldn't scale to his base
@@panpan1287I think people just assume she's shooting light because her hero name is Starlight. But im certain its inaccurate. Like with Translucent. Which doesnt mean fully transparent.
I think Starlight's power is more akin to hurling bolts of plasma.
@@panpan1287But……Spiderman MCU reaction speed is the speed of light despite outside of that not showing any feats close to that? It’s just powerscaling bs but he had to be moving at around at least 30% the speed of light
@@TheCosmosAwaits ...The fuck does the MCU have to do with this? Who the hell powerscales the MCU????
Lowkey I think this is a good debate, one thing to consider is that while he’s not faster than her lasers A-Train was able to move at a comparable speed to then to make them appear slow, whereas Starlight in season 3 could tag Soldier Boy with her blasts
Soldier boy is not fully comparable to home lander and he can fly so this leave a train in a bigger disadvantage
He was still amped tho
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@@exportedloopdeloop7112The sun is also hot
Homelander once said " fastest man alive what a ***king joke" 🤣🤣
He wasn't at his peak at that time, and was getting chunky
I think that was when he had heart issues.
We haven't seen his peak with the new heart, so I think he's got a pretty good chance against Homelander.
And even if Homelander is faster, he doesn't have a fast reaction speed like A-Train.
Homelander didn't out run the detonator. Homelander was in between the detonator and Butcher, Sheilding Butcher from the Blast.
@@kaceesnowdude he had to out run it. The blast was radius not a narrowed blast like in the wolverine movie when he shielded that guy in the well 😂
I do think a train is just the fastest because the writers have token an effort to say that these numbers that make no sense happen all the time when they don't even understand how fast the cast are
Objection!!!! A Train is faster , he would be able to do the same thing homelander did but easier. He was able to get to hughie and leave without homelander knowing. If homelander was faster then why was he getting punched by Soulja Boy lol
Yup!
This doesnt mean a-train is faster😂
How couldve Homelander know a-train picked hughie up.😂 yall yap to much Homelander speed blitzes a-train.
@@Juulkageno he doesn’t 😭
Homelander has been hit point blank range by regular punches, he’s also been hit by a car being thrown at him
If it wasn’t for the plot demanding HL being the main villain he would’ve been blitzed already (by comparison A train can dodge things that are going at regular speeds, he’s easily dodged starlights blast while being on the midst of a heart attack)
@@RyomenAyeni225 didnt u remember fhe explosion that happend with butcher? Homelander was so fast he was able to save him.💀💀
@@RyomenAyeni225 hop on cord big boi.
Don't forget that he got Blue Hawk's heart, heart attacks are unlikely to be an issue now
I dunno, that heart might attack him since it came from a racist...
Ashley is gonna give homelander a beat down in her hulk form. 😂
Lol
Homelander just needs to stomp once and A train will be A plane
Can’t even dodge Soldier Boy. He really ain’t all that when he fights. He don’t fight in super speed like A-Train. He just speeds forward.
@@evangingerson1271what I've noticed, he only has superspeed when flying Inna straight line
Homelander didn't out run the detonator. Homelander was in between the detonator and Butcher, Sheilding Butcher from the Blast.
@@kaceesnow How did he save Stillwell's baby then?
@@evangingerson1271 Doesn't matter. He beat Soldier Boy. Then Butcher came and he beath both Soldier Boy and Butcher. Then Hughie showed up. Still escaped from 1v3.
Dodging attacks doesn't matter if Homelander catches A-Train just once, It's over.
I wonder if Homelander could scale to A-Train’s speed amped, even without amps. I don’t think we’ve seen his peak speed. If not, he could probably take the same amp stuff and NOT have a heart attack after lol.
Probably since he supposed to be above all the seven no matter what in stats
@iSnipCoM1he oneshotted black noir in the show.
@iSnipCoM1There isn’t going to be a Homelander clone saga, Show and Comics are wayyyyy different.
Homelanders ground and reaction speed or way less than a trains sure his travel speed is fast but that doesnt matter much unless he stays in the air running away and firing lasers which is out of character
I think homelander is currently taking V coz when A train looked through homie's compund V drawer, a ton of vials were missing and A train said that homelander has all the vials of V.
A-Train has a super heart now, so he can probably reach speeds much higher
He had a super heart before too? wdym
Homelander didn't out run the detonator. Homelander was in between the detonator and Butcher, Sheilding Butcher from the Blast. Also if Homelander was faster, he would Raced Shock wave and A-Train just to get praise from fans.
He had a super heart before lol
@@Chair991 no he had heart problems before did you even watch the show?
@@Seans_sean He had heart problems because of his compound V abuse. He still had a super heart, since he was... you know, a supe.
Homelander might fly faster but that doesn’t mean he reacts faster. If he himself was so fast, he would literally dodge every attack of Soldier boy
Exactly
And HL has laser vision. In theory, he should be able to split anyone in half whenever he wants. Doesn't matter that A-T is fast, bc mach speed is many orders of magnitude slower than light. If HL fights someone and doesn't kill them, its either because he doesn't actually want to kill them (he wanted to have kids with Maeve for example, so he didn't kill her even though he could have), or it's bad writing.
@@evanpatterson432Lil bro the one piloting the light is his eyeballs and they don’t move in light speeds💀
But how did he save Butcher?
A-Train took MM to the Hospital and came back to the Tech Knight party without Homelander even knowing.. Plus he pulled a Freight Train with a Broken leg
Btw.. He now has a Heart from another Sup
That's just casual S4 atrocious writing. Homelander in S1 while searching for Translucent was clocked north of mach 87. A-Train amped up on V racing for his life against Shockwave was mach 1,5.
They aren't even close in terms of speed. Homelander at 18 already made bullets look frozen in the air in Diabolical, and most bullets are around soundspeed (mach 1), with many being up to three times that.
So Homelander at 18 was already faster (on foot) than A-Train amped up on V. A-Train knows this btw. That's why he has no delusion in hell about escaping or fighting Homelander.
Copy and pasting this in every comment huh@@TheStraightestWhitest
@@TheStraightestWhitest it probably about the reaction speed. Homelander might got little reaaction speed when he doesnt flying or going full speed
Homelander knew that A-Train wasn't there because he told Sage about how A-Train, Firecracker, and Tek Knight were missing
@@TheStraightestWhitest He definitely was not moving at no damn Mach 87. Official statements from the wiki and the show state he's faster than an F-16 which would make him Mach 2. You could probably highball him to mach 5 even but mach 87 is absolutely ridiculous.
we all know if a train and homelander are gonna fight (inevitably) then a train is gonna start JUICING to the max
He'd have to literally get about 40x as fast as he currently is to be faster than Homelander was in S1. There's no shot. If A-Train ever fights Homelander and is faster than him, it's dogshit writing.
@@wallflower1999 proof?
you don't have any because it's false.
You're just doing some bullshit headcanoning
@@wallflower1999 Soldier Boy did too, and Homelander was faster than him.
@@wallflower1999 Yes. Look up "Yes, Soldier Boy reacts to lightspeed".
@@wallflower1999 he didnt, if ur talking about Starlights beams then he was just reacting to her hand gestures
See this can't be real and I was literally thinking about this after the last episode. In the show A-Train is able to pick someone up and run so fast with them that nobody around can even see him moving or detect that he even ran by. That has to be incredibly fast.
yeah, he saved Hughie from Homelander(maybe he thought Hughie teleported and just left) so i don't think he is faster than A-train
@@donguieg5165 That's just casual S4 atrocious writing. Homelander in S1 while searching for Translucent was clocked north of mach 87. A-Train amped up on V racing for his life against Shockwave was mach 1,5.
They aren't even close in terms of speed. Homelander at 18 already made bullets look frozen in the air in Diabolical, and most bullets are around soundspeed (mach 1), with many being up to three times that.
So Homelander at 18 was already faster (on foot) than A-Train amped up on V. A-Train knows this btw. That's why he has no delusion in hell about escaping or fighting Homelander.
@@TheStraightestWhitest i see, i don't usually do math on these, i just watch
@@TheStraightestWhitestcope
@@Mrikeepgettinmoneyagain Yes. You're clearly trying.
Nuke victim verse fighting is fun to watch
Homelander would solo everyone in real life, your a homelander victim
Did you watch the boys?
@@manicasion736 Ok name one feat which isn't just a wank, debunkable statement which is above city level
@@Godofwarenjoyerwe currently do not know if Homelander could survive a nuke.
With wanking and statements, you can get him to mountain level. However, there is also a good chance the verse is a nuke victim.
It isn’t the only nuke victim verse.
when they said he can survive all weapons, i don't think they meant nukes, cause how tf is vought gonna get any. so yeah homelander is a nuke victim
A better debate is all members of the seven there ever was vs homelander I honestly think homelander still wins since there would be useless members like sister sage,firework girl,black noir replacement,and the deep but translucent,starlight,Maeve,a train,nazi girl and black noir might do it
We've already seen Ryan who is weaker than Homelander take out Stormfront, Homelander could easily break Translucent's skin, Noir was killed by Homelander, didnt struggle too much woth Maeve, held down Starlight with ease, and would only be inconvenienced by A-Train.
you're downplaying the peak. he one shot a-train after being gill punched. and a-train was able to shrug off a sucker punch from v amp'd hughie, who could stagger and partially restrain fraudlander.
as well, a-train one tapped starlight, who scales to stormfodder.
so maybe the peak wasn't capping in episode one afterall 😅
Edit: season 4 episode 7 LMFAO I COOKED 🔥🔥🔥
@@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap Damn, you're right, THE PEAK S O L O S 💪🐠💪
I think sage with prep time could definitely beat homelander. She probably would know how to amp the virus to kill him
@@hichaeljordan963she is not batman
Don't forget that A train had a heart replacement surgery thus he can use his speed freely
Only going by the show, but A train is able to things like open doors while traveling in speed. He blew through a body without taking any damage himself while in speed. Also when he moves we don't see him till he stops, Homelander is seen when traveling most of the time. I think he maybe faster but limited to his normal sup reaction time. Like in season one when he was searching for Translucent he was easily seen in the sky. I don't think A train could win but Homelander won't be able to catch him.
A-Train is constantly pushing himself, Homelander barely tries. In season 1 f16 fighters were already in route to the plane before Homelander even left Vaught tower, yet he gets there and leaves before the jets ever do
@HolzHause right, I think Homelander is faster in flight, but is still limited in his sight and reactions to his normal super level. A-Train's sight and reactions, such as opening and closing doors, is adjusted to his super speed level when using it. So he would be able to out maneuver Homelander and avoid being beaten.
It's "almost" like Superman vs The Flash 💀
Expect both are the nerfed discount version from Temu
Hell no flash dust Superman in the comic when flash got serious
No way close...flash can time travel.
Flash is the fastest, I think it's fair for A-train to be faster than homelander.
Flash can move faster or at the speed of light, throwing a punch or any even light objects like a rock or something would result in gigatons of energy imparted onto the target. The flash could run with a big ish rock and throw it at a mountain to end the world basically.
in season 1 when the boys are in the hideout with translucent, the camera that IDs homelander flying around clocks him in at 1800km/min, or around 67000mph
He is extremely fast in the air
That's actually even faster than I had clocked him. That's mach 87. I had him around mach 55 based on the Butcher save in the finale of S1, and the fact that he'd been to space. So holy shit, he's really fast.
As fast as the earth can orbit huh
that's not right
homelander was clocked at a highest of 1852 kp/hour not /min... so homelander moved at Mach 1,5 at 514 m/s while a-train moved at Mach 1,08 with 371 m/s during the race with shockwave
If he was that fast we wouldn't be able to see him, that's a strange error for someone wasting time calculating speeds of supes in a tv show
When your speedster is slow as hell
Yeah aight you think A train slow u tweaking compared to anyone else in this universe besides homelander he's top tier
Still naturally faster then all but one person if we’re only counting those left alive, so he’s a dangerous piece on the chessboard regardless.
@6po6carver bro isn't even top 3
@@BlueSoulGamer solder boy
So like every comic speedster? Flas is the worst offender. "the fastest man alive" fights new people who are aster all the time.
If A Train had a chance, he wouldn't be terrified of Homelander
I actually think it's because A-Train is so scared of Homelander that he doesn't know how strong he is!!! especially after getting that heart transplant.
@@R1kual basically this. The first time he'll truly realize his potential is when he steps up to homelander as the hero he's becoming rather the lackey he was before.
@@NRG-REC i think A-Train will be the one who has to dose Homelander, nobody else could get close enough even on a kamikaze attempt. A-Train could do it, it would cost his life, but hes the only one I see being able to do it.
Having light attacks doesn't mean you're reaction speed is eaqual to the speed of light. Otherwise everyone with a torch would have light speed reactions
That was a terrible comparison lmao
@@coolfella9745 its true. Just because you have light attacks doesn't mean you have speed of light reactions. This guy thinks it does
@@coolfella9745no, its perfectly put, another example is that flash perceive speed different than others, he is not just fast, he feels everything slower and his reaction is on his speed. The problem is that generally speedsters are over the top, so they have to make them powerless for the plot.
That's why Lamplighter was in the 7
Starlight's beams are made of plasma too, they don't travel at light speed they're just glowy
Don't look up transonic with safe search off. 💀💀💀
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Homelander is not faster than A-Train.
He just showed you proof
@@_Yombo Homelander cannot out run A Train he can fly very fast though
@@Sidthesexiest Oh, yeah
@@Sidthesexiest Homelander outruns fighter jets that is Mach 1.5 compared to A-Train's bare above Mach 1
@@_Yombono he didn’t, he ignored other moments in the show, like even in the last episode with MM & the hospital, where we’ve seen A-Train move faster.
And Homelander gets punched by regular attacks, so his reaction speed is not as fast.
You could say that A train is quicker, the way he dodged Deep's punches were smooth AF
i dont think deep is scaling homelander in any way, home just likes to keep him around
@@captainhostile101 Homelander keeps Deep around because he's a good "yes man" for him, point and simple. He knows Deep would do a-ny-thing just to be in his favor, if it wasn't from that, he would have off him long time ago.
@JeffreyBezeau tho, homelander appearently hates yes man as he said in season 4
When has Homelander ever moved as fast as A-Train? Plus A-Train is Faster with his New Heart
He shows proof and you still ask?
@@_Yombothere's a difference between top speed (while flying) and being absolutely fast (movement and more)
I hope A Train doesn’t die now. It’s like every hero that has chosen to help ends up dead
My boy A-Train is never dying 🙏
If the writers wrote it that way, I would be disappointed because in most comic iterations, the speedster is a master at speed. So while a “Superman type” may be strong and fast, usually any being that is a solo master at either one would outclass the Superman type, forcing them to push themselves to meet that challenge. It’s good balance overall. They could write it where a-train has been holding back because he knew that Homelander would consider him a threat.
The point of the show is that Homelander IS OP. No supe comes close to him which is why he is so lazy and full of himself.And why butcher feels the need to take him down at any cost.
I think that time when he saved butcher is a outlier it’s his craziest speed feat but we haven’t seen anything close to it ever again.
"his speed scales to his combat reactions" is some intense double speak. Bro said a lot without saying anything lmao
Well one thing about A train is he's actually really strong and could possibly take homlander at full strength but he's lazy though and decided to start shooting up V rather than actually train its kinda why homlander makes fun of him for being outta shape.
He's not as durable but strength wise he could probably do some real damage to homlander
There something important here, and that's the fact that A-train worked on his strength and speed, training is important
Soldier boy gave Homelander a black eye, Maeve give him a bloody nose and stab him in the ear. A-Train's super strength and high speed could give Homelander a problem for a little while
@@CKMr309 How? He's 1/40th as fast as Homelander, LOL!
@@TheStraightestWhitesty’all do realize the writers don’t powerscale every single little scene right??
@@TheStraightestWhitest Soldier boy, temp V Butcher and Hughey, Queen Maeve.. None of them had super speed and did just fine. Did you forget that 🤔
homelander vs a-train on a 1v1 would probably end up similar to when red rush fought omni-man in invincible
If Maeve was able to pierce into Homelanders ear with a metal straw A-Train should be able to pierce it into his brain with his speed.
We can't use logic and stuff to determine who is stronger because the whole thing of some characters is that they simply can't be beaten.
Its already multiple times stated Homelander is the strongest out of the Seven.
Queen maeve was only able to hit him sinds he was holding back on her.😂 get ur bs together.
@@Juulkage strongest doesn't mean invincible.
He will not be defeated because his role in the story is to not be defeated, unlike many Villains who are meant to be defeated by the protagonist to get stronger or bring the story forward.
@@darkerthanblack8897 u should delete ur comment 🤣🤣
@@Juulkage u should pull ur head outta ur donkey.
All i said is we can't use common sense to determine who wins a fight or who is stronger when it's a story that is made up by humans who can simply decide what happens.
Hell if the authors want the shrinking man from season 3 could defeat homelander😂
Just because u don't get my point doesn't mean i should delete my comment.
@@Juulkageu should search your dad
If a train learns how to fight more effectively and kicks more often he might do some damage
I swear, A-train with massive V can do some serious damage to hommie.
But he’ll still lose.
How? He's 1/40th as fast as Homelander, LOL!
@@TheStraightestWhitest source?
@@TheStraightestWhitest oof your name describes it all
Homelander vs A-Train is Superman vs Jay Garrick Flash (Jay is one of the slowest flash variants)
Wrong
Except Jay garrick tagged superman easily in comics and psyphoned his speeds
That whole shit if Jay being so slow is something Dc has started in just the last decade. As recently as the 2005-2010 run Jay ran side by side with Black Adam and was stated to be at Mach 500 and now he's been nerfed down to only Mach 20. Silver and bronze age he was as fast as Barry but with less stamina from age
@@Calvin-dn7upJay doesn't have Super strength & durability like A-Train.
Tell me you don’t watch the boys without telling me you havent seen the show💀🤦🏻♂️
Did they really SA Starlight
He's right
He got a New heart buddy
I wouldnt say it was a side effect of being at a that speed. It was the temp v abuse causing him heart problems making him weaker. So he could be alot faster now
Hopefully we’ll see this battle soon enough
A-Train has better use of his speed otherwise HL would've blitzed Butcher, Soldier Boy and Mave. That explosion feat is insane but with A-Trains new heart his capabilities may be considerably higher than before
I think it's because A-Train is so scared of Homelander that he doesn't know how strong he is!!! especially after getting that heart transplant.
Remember a-train fears homelander too
@Muicheerio He can overcome his fear of Homelander if he fully embrace he's a hero unlike Homelander. Plus, with his new Heart ❤️ he's faster with higher potential.
There was parts in the show when is goes so fast he is practically teleporting, if he proper focuses he can go extremely fast
Maybe A train will do so much V that hell rough up Honelander before his heart explodes
He's not faster, but he's close.
make a scene like invincible with all of them fighting homelander
My understanding is that Homelander can generate faster speed while flying in a straight line, but he isn't capable of small distance speed and fast object manipulation, like entering a moving car, or making an origami under a second. Stuff like that
I kinda want A train to survive the fight but at the cost of loosing his powers with would be the perfect redemption and arc for his character
biggest is the phycological advantage.....a train is scared of homelander
…the whole point is he’s a example of what would happen if you ran so fast
“Why a Baby verse a Gorilla isn’t even close” - this guy
If math and physics had an impact on the plot, then Homelander wouldn't be able to shoot lasers from his eyes and fly. It doesn't make sense
Powerscalers when the forces of good prevail (they have less feats though)
He's using them to calculate homelanders stats
Homelander can only travel faster. In the case of a train he can be faster so speed goes to a train
I guess we all decided to forget A train received a super abled heart.
homelander ALSO grabbed stillwells baby and dropped him off in the neighbors yard before it got blown up, making it even more impressive
All while keeping them unharmed by the way
You're wrong about A-Train's speed.
During his training we see him run around a running track in 1 second, and even less. And considering running track are standardized at 400 meters, which would put him at more than 900 mph and his brother said he was off. So his top speed is very probably in excess of 1000 mph like it was said right before his race. Which is 444.44 m/s or Mach 1.3.
That's nowhere nearly Homelander's Mach 2 to Mach 4, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be precise.
"can't stop the A-train!"
What if a train runs fast enough to open a portal into the past and made sure homelander was never born?
He's nowhere near that fast
He’d have a heart attack before he got anywhere close to that speed
bro is not the flash lmao
@@KaveEditz 😂 well is a parody
I'm really curious and excited to find out what makes this a dusttale au, but that ending just might be what we were looking for! Something really cool I noticed was that despite the reset, you still had to save over your old file from the Throne Room, which might elude as to why someone might remember, but I'm definitely interested to see what's to come!
Suspicious calc, afaik there's not really a good reason to believe that homelander was actually moving faster than the impulse of the explosion, especially since that speed would have killed Billy
In season 3 non amped a train is able to carry Hughie off the roof faster than homelander can catch up to him
Doing calcs based off of a live action feat seems kind of silly at its core anyway, the director is absolutely not concerned with portraying anyone in a "canon" sense in terms of the filmography
I kind of agree with your logic regarding the explosion but at the same time, wouldn’t A-Train also have killed Hughie when he saved him from Homelander?
It doesn't even matter if A-Train was faster. It would be like with Omni Man and Red Rush. He just couldn't inflict enough damage to severely hurt Homelander no matter what
A train is scared of homelander
He never tested his strength
He wasn’t dodging starlights lasers, he was reacting to her hand movements guiding said lazers faster than she could move them.
Exactly
if there was hancock here, he would have ripped off homelander in bits, remember, he is a S tier god
Is he really though? Seems like S tier glazing to me
@@Nicolos117🤡
@@ZA-7 bruh I just asked a question. Hancock doesn’t seem any more powerful than homelander and any reasonable person can admit that.
@@Nicolos117 "seems like S tier glazing to me" 🤡🤡
Hancock is way powerful than homelander @@Nicolos117
Thank you for this very useful information
Homelander being faster than A-Train makes no sense
He has a new heart
Goku:"you seem pretty strong"
I didn’t think A Train could beat Homelander in a fight, but I thought he was at least fast enough to runaway
a train go out like a hero
It’s like explaining the concept of WiFi to a garden scale
With a fresh new heart I wouldn’t be surprised if he could top those feats
so Homelander wasn’t kidding when he said “ fastest man alive what a fucking joke”
using physic for a superhero serie is like using a tv cable as a scarf
I always felt like that scene of Homelander being fast enough to save Butcher was a case of the writers straight up not realising how fast that makes him. Given that his flight speed is only about 40% faster than A-Train's amped running speed, and the two actual fights we've seen him in are way slower than either thing.
They're probably moving faster than humans, sure, but unless you also want to scale Temp-V Butcher and Hughie to being that much faster than A-Train as well, since they were fighting Homelander and not being blitz'd, I feel like it's honestly just a weird outlier.
We see A-Train fight at speed against Kimiko, and he's clearly moving faster compared to her by enough to blitz, but Homelander is moving relative to everyone else in that scene. And I just don't think temp V allows someone to move that much faster than a Supe whose whole deal is speed.
Unless season 4 has repeated speed scaling which makes that speed consistent, I personally feel iffy about actually including it in debates. Combat speed is almost always slower than travel speed.
no, its still a feat but it scales A train since the show states he is the fastest, but either way A train cant hurt Homelander so does not matter
people be as fast as the plot needs them to be
Don't forget that he also saved Stillwell's baby, Homelander also left Butcher's apartment without making a sound
Homelander didn't save Stillwell's baby!. In season 2 at the orphanage for super babies that Hughie goes to Teddy Stillwell was there and he had teleportation powers. He's the little boy that just appeared and scared Hughie. The adoption lady even calls him Teddy Stillwell
I would say in the first scene the 371m/s is the max he can achieve in that short distance. I think his top speed is higher if he has a long enough runway
He also openly breaks the sound barrier when looking for translucent without breaking a sweat so even without a calc he’s way faster
Flash: Sucks to be you A-train 😂🍿
He is very fast at FLYING it doesn't scale with combat, proof of this is his fight with maeve, soldierboy, butcher and hughie. He didnt have massive reflexes or anything
Its like saying Usain Bolt would be amazing at box just because he can run very quickly. No correlation
A Train feels like that redemption arc we've all been waiting to see from someone. His brother even said that he never saved anyone. That scene when he busted in on the fight with The Deep and Black Noir was lit.
Remember that it was a big deal that Atrain received a heart transplant from Blue Hawk and having a “super abled heart” not only resolved his heart problems but could reasonably be argued enhanced his powers even more.
Didn't hear a word, I was listening to the Undertale music😂
Homelander gone give him the robin treatment fly right thru him
Don't forget he's got a new heart.
You all forgot that A-train save yu from homelander when he was on a rooftop chasing by homelander. Its seems thats A-train can't walk on wall so he just outspeed homelander at the point he didn't see him run near to him.
B I N G O
I knew he was fast when bb wasn't hurt from the instant explosion
Wally west be like : 😂 he is not even close to me......😂😂😂
*Tries to match homelander*
A-train: "nah, I'd get stroke"
I like how homelander saved butcher from the explosion with super speed, demonstrating that he is very capable of saving lives like a real hero but he seldom does for the right reasons
He's very incompetent in situations like saving people
It's known that homelander is the most powerful in the Boys universe. Soldier is only stronger if he just uses his crazy Explosion, but thats an exception
A-train has a new heart