Hiikaru the Brain….amazing…..Anna said it right, that you have to realize that you have the to calculate trapping the rook. It’s easy to be an ‘armchair player’ who states that you saw that after its on the board, but when you’re at the board, you have to be cool in a game where your opponent is bringing the heat.
Fair play to Grischuk defending as well, needed to find some of the best moves too with barely any time on the clock. Normal for him I guess, but not for the rest. Draw was a fair result
Anna did well to point out that moves aren't nearly as obvious when you don't have the confirmation of engine analysis. There are a LOT of moves that "look good" but don't continue well, and that takes a lot of experience with calculation.
Agreed. Also, they pointed out that you have to see it very early on because if it doesn't work, you're just down a pawn. You may find it once the rook lands on c7, (even then it is hard as is evidenced by the fact that Grischuk took on c7) but on that level, you usually do not blunder pawns and get lucky. So Hikaru saw this way before.
@@simonewers4369 I have a doubt however. Whenever black playes Kf8, white can play Bb4. If a5, white has Ba3. And things are all right I believe. But think here the rook is trapped and is out of the game. And bishop is stuck on a3guarding the rook. Can you explain me?
@@spiralfireball8663 If Bb4 (after black moves Bb7 I presume) I think the line goes Rxd1 Bxd1 and Bd8 which still leaves the rook trapped on e7. In the end, you lose the exchange there as well (in the line shown you will eventually get the bishop on c6 in return for your rook after something like Black moves Bb7 Rc1 Bd7 Rxd7 Rxd7 [not quite sure if that's exactly right, but it should be the basic idea] ), but you're probably even worse off here because you wouldn't have a rook left. Not a brilliant chess player though, I may very well be wrong.
Anna is absolutely correct at the end also. Yes it's easy to see the rook is trapped when you've got the engine and you've already moved the rook to the 7th rank, but you have to see this from about 4 moves earlier. It's not easy to visualise the board after about 12 pieces have moved (6 for white and 6 for black). And especially when Grischuk has about 5 minutes on the clock, whether or not that's what he normally does. Plus the people saying it was obvious would never be in this position because they'd have hung 3 rooks by now and have none to get trapped.
Wait what happens after: ... Bc6 Rxe7 Bb6 Bb4 Rxd1+ Bxd1 a5 Ba3 ?? Kf8 doesn't work at all then, does it? How does black get the rook? Or is the idea just that black kinda has a rook for a bishop because all the other pieces are stuck where they are?
Depending on how you value the other time controls, he might actually still be a top 5 player. If not, he can probably still play at that top 10 level anyways. An elite player.
@@freepepp5456 No, he’s talking about after Bb6, Bb4 as a suggestion. But I don’t think it’s a good idea because i trade Rooks on d1 then play Bd8 which simply wins the exchange.
the line is not that hard to find for good players especially because both your pieces are forked and you're about to go down a pawn, you're probably going to be desperately looking for anything, so although it is a neat combination, I wouldn't call it a shocker by any means. If you want to see a shocking variation, search up Hikaru vs. Krasenkow
There's not a lot of players at that level with Hikaru's style, and his fall from 2800 to low 2700 was tragic. It's great seeing him in good form again.
Because he hasn't played in over 2 years. Let's see if he's willing and able to put in the time and effort for classical after the break he took. In this form, he might just win one of the candidates spots...
I don't know what led up to this, but here are my thoughts, and why this seems like the obvious play pretty quickly (I'm probably wrong, not an avid chess player). So: - White is pressuring the bishop & the knight - Black has no _other_ move that would result in gaining anything substantial. In fact the only pieces black could take are a pawn with either bishop, or the bishop with the D rook. - If black chose to take either of those, they'd immediately lose that piece and be in the exact same position they're already in. - So taking is out of the question, which means moving one of the pieces under threat and sacrificing the other. - You can't move the knight anywhere that will help on the subsequent take of rxb7 so you _have to_ move that bishop - There are very limited spots the bishop can go, so b6 seems obvious Again I'm probably missing something, but this was the calculation I did in the time it took for this video to play. Would love to hear why I'm probably wrong.
I think why they so amazed by this is because they think hikaru sees this way from his ne7 move as shows in 0:39. From that position, it is not that obvious I think.
I don't play chess. At the pro level, isn't chess largely about memorization? For example, they talk about preparation. Doesn't that mean they are memorizing scenarios beforehand?
There are a lot of opening theory variations that top level GM’s memorize, but the middlegame is the juicy part that really tests the skills of the players (endgames, too, but mostly middlegames).
Yes, preparation and memorization is super important. As the game goes on beyong the early opening phase, or if the oponent responds with an unexpected move, preparation and memorization don't matter as much. Afterwards, you have to decide your moves using your bain power, exerience, instinct and tactics.
No. Memorization certainly plays a role, but there is a lot more to it than that. And when you are selecting for the best (only counting pros), they will of course all be good at memorizing. They will all be good at everything. But the other factors, such as calculating speed and knowledge/intuition about where to look for good moves, are more important and are the biggest thing separating the pros from the rest of us. In equally matched games, there will be some amount of memorization used at the beginning of the game, but as the game goes on, the possibilities quickly expand beyond what it is possible to memorize. The amount of chess positions there are is even far too much for computers to memorize. When a game is not equally matched, the stronger player can deliberately contradict the "best" move in an opening position though to reach a position that nobody bothers to memorize and then beat their opponent from that compromised position based on playing the right moves from then onwards, while the weaker opponent that is no longer in a familiar position makes errors that over time add up to be worse than the intentional mis-move the stronger player did. And in fact, a strong player will beat a weaker player quicker that way than if they play into a memorized pattern and then have to try to win from a balanced point that is further along in the game. Which is why I say the other factors are more important.
Hikaru is a great player but Magnus finds this types of moves all the time I was not even shocked when he found the best move recommended by Sesse The Supercomputer from Norway 🇳🇴 and this is why Agadmator made a video after the game, ‘Magnus is Supercomputer’ or something like that please correct if I am wrong Magnus is Hikaru’s Kryptonite. Totally deserving World Champion
There's no need to bring Magnus into this. Let other players make good moves and find good tactics without having to be compared to the world champion at all times.
It doesn't seem all that outrageous a move for Hikaru. It took almost 14 minutes for Grischuk to move his rook. The fork was quite obvious prior to that move. So Hikaru had a lot of time to plan his own (possible) next moves. Just sayin' ...a little surprised that they made such a bit deal over it...
As someone who doesnt watch chess, this hud is sooooo messy. I couldnt understand which table I was supposed to look at. Why is the live position the smaller one? And why put the names of the player next to the table that WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT? It is so counter intuitive! And when caster play around with at the other table/pieces, there has to be some clear indication that it is them playing and not the pros. Some tweaks has to be made so it is easier to watch for the casual audience and therefore increase the viewership.
@@banrtv I mean that's just statistically not true lol. Of course great players will spot more tactics in general, but if you look at a sample of winning/losing moments in games, it's much more common for the side who has the tactic to find it and the side who plays against those who have the tactic to miss it. Look at the blunders vs missed wins and you will see. Not an overwhelming difference, but a substantial difference nonetheless. Also: rude.
It was actually pretty obvious the entire time. I’m 1800 rated and the main thing I look for with rooks on the 7th is how can I trap this rook? If you can box a rook in with a minor piece it isn’t that hard to find.
Ik this is the internet and all, but let’s try to not be too overconfident. Maybe when you find such a tactic against Grischuk then come back and talk your shit
@@Macca15 I don't think he would've commented this if he didn't actually see it.. but then we're being told there's a cool tactic so we think differently than the players playing this game. And as Joe said good luck to him to actually get this against Grischuk
I can hear Hikaru in my head saying:
“Is his rook trapped? His rook is trapped, you guys. Hahaha!”
Including his accent
i don't even watch him that much but i can hear it urgh xD
Grischuk: No, I am not burning my time desperately analyzing the position, I am sleeping. The escape is obvious.
@@soulsbourne same
Lol we watched Hikaru's videos to much
The engine is not in his brain. It's in the ceiling.
Ceiling like insertion or roof?
Beth Harmon
@@grantdillon3420 so roof
@Anônimo 1 cry
Grischuk is also hell of guy. He found 2 only moves under a minute back to back and stayed alive in game..
He is indeed a gangster
He found a way for rook exchange sacrifice and drew the damn game. A mastermind for sure.
10head confirmed 🤯
Indeed. 🙂
My Queen
@@bobobandy9382 being a chess commentator seems less embarrassing than posting that comment
@@weaselsdawg 🤣🤣🤣
Call me Kevin the oldest child prodigy is still better
Keti: This guy has an engine in his brain
Everyone who watches Hikaru: It's on the ceiling
Always, he watches on the ceiling lol.😂 He is visualizing. Unlike literally everyone, who look at the board.
Lol you got hearted
Hiikaru the Brain….amazing…..Anna said it right, that you have to realize that you have the to calculate trapping the rook. It’s easy to be an ‘armchair player’ who states that you saw that after its on the board, but when you’re at the board, you have to be cool in a game where your opponent is bringing the heat.
Fair play to Grischuk defending as well, needed to find some of the best moves too with barely any time on the clock. Normal for him I guess, but not for the rest. Draw was a fair result
He drew???? Grischuk a beast my guy, I'd have resigned on the spot
kf1 was literallly the only move that doesnt lose
Isn't Grischuck always in time trouble? hehe
He mentioned once that he loves that adrenaline kick during time troubles
grischuk just plays chess for fun
Anna did well to point out that moves aren't nearly as obvious when you don't have the confirmation of engine analysis. There are a LOT of moves that "look good" but don't continue well, and that takes a lot of experience with calculation.
Agreed. Also, they pointed out that you have to see it very early on because if it doesn't work, you're just down a pawn. You may find it once the rook lands on c7, (even then it is hard as is evidenced by the fact that Grischuk took on c7) but on that level, you usually do not blunder pawns and get lucky. So Hikaru saw this way before.
@@simonewers4369 I have a doubt however. Whenever black playes Kf8, white can play Bb4. If a5, white has Ba3. And things are all right I believe. But think here the rook is trapped and is out of the game. And bishop is stuck on a3guarding the rook. Can you explain me?
@@spiralfireball8663 If Bb4 (after black moves Bb7 I presume) I think the line goes Rxd1 Bxd1 and Bd8 which still leaves the rook trapped on e7. In the end, you lose the exchange there as well (in the line shown you will eventually get the bishop on c6 in return for your rook after something like Black moves Bb7 Rc1 Bd7 Rxd7 Rxd7 [not quite sure if that's exactly right, but it should be the basic idea] ), but you're probably even worse off here because you wouldn't have a rook left. Not a brilliant chess player though, I may very well be wrong.
Anna is absolutely correct at the end also. Yes it's easy to see the rook is trapped when you've got the engine and you've already moved the rook to the 7th rank, but you have to see this from about 4 moves earlier. It's not easy to visualise the board after about 12 pieces have moved (6 for white and 6 for black). And especially when Grischuk has about 5 minutes on the clock, whether or not that's what he normally does. Plus the people saying it was obvious would never be in this position because they'd have hung 3 rooks by now and have none to get trapped.
Amazing commentary. She really explained what's difficult about the move by really giving the feeling of it rather than just going through the line.
Friendly reminder: this is not the engine in his mind. This is the effort of all the Hikaru Fans turning on their microwaves at the same time!
And also all the "spam this dish📡 to summon Stockfish" messages 😂😂
Doesn’t matter what game it is, somebody in chat is better than every pro that’s ever played. Most of the time, it’s closer to half the chat.
This is why we need to have live cam. So can see whether hikaru was cheating during that move, by looking at the ceiling.
that was funny
Hikaru: u know what sometimes I became engine myself
Magnus : no problem
I think the engine found Hikaru’s move actually
Keti's expression is priceless
When Thug life meets literally doesn't care.
Hikaru and Sasha.. Blitz geniuses.
All this hikaru was deciding us looking at the ceiling
Hikaru is such a big brain.
I mean… it’s normal. Hikaru always plays top engine move when it is necessary ;))
Funny detail: he still hasn't won the chess crown of this tiny little planet. Maybe if he stopped bulleting and streaming...
@@u.v.s.5583 in this tournament alone he has achieved more than you in your whole life LMAO
@@Pedro-op6zj I guess it's true. He is mighty and powerful, that is why we poke at him.
Wait what happens after:
... Bc6
Rxe7 Bb6
Bb4 Rxd1+
Bxd1 a5
Ba3
??
Kf8 doesn't work at all then, does it? How does black get the rook? Or is the idea just that black kinda has a rook for a bishop because all the other pieces are stuck where they are?
Rxd1+ Bxd1 Bd8 and the rook is trapped.
@@luminica_ Ahhh it looks so obvious now, thank you!
Must have been his ceiling
yerstaday i found an engine move... my checked king had no other move left
Depending on how you value the other time controls, he might actually still be a top 5 player. If not, he can probably still play at that top 10 level anyways. An elite player.
I value faster time controls, but I'm not sure how much they should contribute to determining a player's overall ranking.
I bet he saw it on the celling.
Thumbnail got me in here :D
What's stopping Grischuk from playing Bishop B4?
Hikaru was going to play A5 then the pawn covers b4 :)
@@freepepp5456 No, he’s talking about after Bb6, Bb4 as a suggestion. But I don’t think it’s a good idea because i trade Rooks on d1 then play Bd8 which simply wins the exchange.
@@faznaz7455 Ah, I see! Thank you
He probably have stockfish on the ceiling lol
Maybe hikaru has engine in he's lipstick 💄😂😂👍
Hiharu’s ceiling stockfish…
Now now it's bcuz he carries stockfish on the wall
Okay now lets just take the juicer
I didn’t even know Natalie Portman played chess!
Who looks like Natalie Portman? None of them I think
Unless your name is Magnus you didn’t find those combinations of moves
There is a bunch of players at the top that have the capacity for finding this line
Even a 1500 can find this line if they know there's a tactic to be found.
the line is not that hard to find for good players especially because both your pieces are forked and you're about to go down a pawn, you're probably going to be desperately looking for anything, so although it is a neat combination, I wouldn't call it a shocker by any means. If you want to see a shocking variation, search up Hikaru vs. Krasenkow
its not that hard for 2700+
Id still play that if only to save the bishop
Poor Grischuk. Why do I feel that he’s always the victim of the brilliant tactics?
Victim? Grischuk drew this game.
I can't believe that Nakamura found that move by himself - he must have been using a GM Supi or Felipe Neto...
Hikaru needs to be investigated🔎 for using an engine, this is suspicious 👀 😐
Not really
Yes
it could be in his lipstick...
@@howard5992 very true
An unranked just beat the worlds number 10 in chess. Incredible!
He drew this game.
The only reason hikaru isn’t ranked is because he doesn’t play tournaments anymore. Hikaru is easily the same strength if not stronger.
@@youtubeshypocrisy “If not stronger” is really pushing it. Historically, Grischuk has a better performance in classical than Hikaru.
@@faznaz7455 in blitz hikaru will wipe the floor with him. That’s why I said if not stronger. It depends on the time
@@youtubeshypocrisy the joke really went over your head didn't it
Official stockfish roof!!!
do you have to be a supermodel to commentate chess or something dam
Why is pushing a5 necessary before Kf8?
This was a good draw
This is incredible
Anyone with a link to the full game ?
Fear the pineapple shirt.
Can someone explain to me why white can’t just play Bf3 after Bb6?
Why f5 has to be played? I mean, Kf8 directly, no?
Esta de modulero el Naka
HikaruFish strike again
Grishchk calculated this
There is a post game interview. Grischuk said he missed it and had to improvise the escape.
did he win the game after that ?
draw
draw
draw
draw
draw
Idk why ppl want to see him fail I love he is doing so well after such a long layoff
People love rooting for the underdog, and when he's the best in the world, everyone he faces is the underdog
@@sadagusfate hikaru is best in the world??🤣🤣🤣
@@guts3195 gonna be honest, thought it was a magnus game lol
There's not a lot of players at that level with Hikaru's style, and his fall from 2800 to low 2700 was tragic. It's great seeing him in good form again.
And Hikaru is still #5 US ranked player behind Caruana, Aronian, So and Dominguez.
Because he hasn't played in over 2 years. Let's see if he's willing and able to put in the time and effort for classical after the break he took. In this form, he might just win one of the candidates spots...
@@mandolo100 I don't believe that's what he wants lol hes just playing for fun/if he does win he said he'd give his candidates spot to ding
@@user-ic6nm4ol4r oh, I hadn't heard about that, thanks for the info.
@@user-ic6nm4ol4r that would be really cool i think ding deserves the chance
@@mandolo100 He has played in but his classical records were not good. He is good now with rapid and speed chess.
Oh but when I play stockfish moves I’m cheating ok then
When he goes king f8 why not go bishop b4? Wouldn't that free his rook?
a5 stops the bishop from defending the rook I think is the point they're making?
What ig white, after Bb6 plays Bf3?
bishop takes, and then Ba5 ?
@@aftermath4096 ohh i missed that ty
I don't know what led up to this, but here are my thoughts, and why this seems like the obvious play pretty quickly (I'm probably wrong, not an avid chess player). So:
- White is pressuring the bishop & the knight
- Black has no _other_ move that would result in gaining anything substantial. In fact the only pieces black could take are a pawn with either bishop, or the bishop with the D rook.
- If black chose to take either of those, they'd immediately lose that piece and be in the exact same position they're already in.
- So taking is out of the question, which means moving one of the pieces under threat and sacrificing the other.
- You can't move the knight anywhere that will help on the subsequent take of rxb7 so you _have to_ move that bishop
- There are very limited spots the bishop can go, so b6 seems obvious
Again I'm probably missing something, but this was the calculation I did in the time it took for this video to play. Would love to hear why I'm probably wrong.
I think why they so amazed by this is because they think hikaru sees this way from his ne7 move as shows in 0:39. From that position, it is not that obvious I think.
Of course he found it, his roof tells him
Why does a5 need to be played first? What does a5 stop?
It stops Bishop b4.. defending the rook and threatning Discovery on king on f8
I don't play chess. At the pro level, isn't chess largely about memorization? For example, they talk about preparation. Doesn't that mean they are memorizing scenarios beforehand?
There are a lot of opening theory variations that top level GM’s memorize, but the middlegame is the juicy part that really tests the skills of the players (endgames, too, but mostly middlegames).
Well, you don't play chess.
Yes, preparation and memorization is super important. As the game goes on beyong the early opening phase, or if the oponent responds with an unexpected move, preparation and memorization don't matter as much. Afterwards, you have to decide your moves using your bain power, exerience, instinct and tactics.
No. Memorization certainly plays a role, but there is a lot more to it than that. And when you are selecting for the best (only counting pros), they will of course all be good at memorizing. They will all be good at everything. But the other factors, such as calculating speed and knowledge/intuition about where to look for good moves, are more important and are the biggest thing separating the pros from the rest of us. In equally matched games, there will be some amount of memorization used at the beginning of the game, but as the game goes on, the possibilities quickly expand beyond what it is possible to memorize. The amount of chess positions there are is even far too much for computers to memorize. When a game is not equally matched, the stronger player can deliberately contradict the "best" move in an opening position though to reach a position that nobody bothers to memorize and then beat their opponent from that compromised position based on playing the right moves from then onwards, while the weaker opponent that is no longer in a familiar position makes errors that over time add up to be worse than the intentional mis-move the stronger player did. And in fact, a strong player will beat a weaker player quicker that way than if they play into a memorized pattern and then have to try to win from a balanced point that is further along in the game. Which is why I say the other factors are more important.
What if white plays Bb4? doesn't the rook get out?
They said push a5 first
@@EnCwoisant After Bb6 white can play Bb4, before a5
I was wondering the same, it looks like the line there is 1... Bb6 2. Bb4 Rxd1 3. Bxd1 Bd8 winning the rook that way
@@yarrichar there is no Bd8 move and night will also be attacked twice.
@@sandeepKumar-wd4mx lol - it's the engine line
Good move!!
Because Hikaru uses the engine..that’s why he is better online than over the board
Unless by engine you mean his brain, no he doesn't. Most players are better online than over the board
@@Kayrim_Borlan Indeed. They practice online (for practical reasons), and so are more comfortable and play better in an online setting.
@@Elrog3 That, and at least personally I find it easier to see the position and calculate online, not sure if it's the same for others too
Crazy strong move
Im 200 rating and even I saw this move, its not that impressive
Yes you’re clearly extremely knowledgeable about the game of chess. Pathetic.
I call hacks
OMAGURD!! He found an engine move! OMAGURD!!!
Who won?
He has stockfish on the ceiling
Grace
Hikaru is a great player but Magnus finds this types of moves all the time
I was not even shocked when he found the best move recommended by Sesse The Supercomputer from Norway 🇳🇴 and this is why Agadmator made a video after the game, ‘Magnus is Supercomputer’ or something like that please correct if I am wrong
Magnus is Hikaru’s Kryptonite.
Totally deserving World Champion
There's no need to bring Magnus into this. Let other players make good moves and find good tactics without having to be compared to the world champion at all times.
@@eiriktexe4475 it's typical Hikaru derangement drivel. Like we don't already know who Magnus is.
It doesn't seem all that outrageous a move for Hikaru.
It took almost 14 minutes for Grischuk to move his rook.
The fork was quite obvious prior to that move.
So Hikaru had a lot of time to plan his own (possible) next moves.
Just sayin' ...a little surprised that they made such a bit deal over it...
I love you Anna
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Not that hard when you have stockfish on the ceiling.
As someone who doesnt watch chess, this hud is sooooo messy. I couldnt understand which table I was supposed to look at. Why is the live position the smaller one? And why put the names of the player next to the table that WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT? It is so counter intuitive! And when caster play around with at the other table/pieces, there has to be some clear indication that it is them playing and not the pros.
Some tweaks has to be made so it is easier to watch for the casual audience and therefore increase the viewership.
Actually not a very hard move to spot
And they both probably saw it coming
Naka prolly playing with engine.
The engines hack into Hikarus brain for top moves
Engines prolly playing with naka
This was damn impressive and an excellent move of course, but I think 90% of 2700+ players find this move.
If u see the interview, Grishuk saw Bc6 and Bb6 , but then missed a5!.
@@anikaitgupta3481 No I mean 90% would find it as black. It's easier to calculate things from the side that has the tactic :) Hope this helps
@@banrtv I mean that's just statistically not true lol. Of course great players will spot more tactics in general, but if you look at a sample of winning/losing moments in games, it's much more common for the side who has the tactic to find it and the side who plays against those who have the tactic to miss it. Look at the blunders vs missed wins and you will see. Not an overwhelming difference, but a substantial difference nonetheless. Also: rude.
@@michaelangelo2192 do you have any friends?
@@zminseo of course he doesnt lol
Is that Natalie Portman?
For everyone in this comment section that says Hikaru has an engine on the ceiling...he literally doesn't care.
It's not that hard
#amazing
#109th
It was actually pretty obvious the entire time. I’m 1800 rated and the main thing I look for with rooks on the 7th is how can I trap this rook? If you can box a rook in with a minor piece it isn’t that hard to find.
Ik this is the internet and all, but let’s try to not be too overconfident. Maybe when you find such a tactic against Grischuk then come back and talk your shit
If Grischuk didn't see it, you sure as shit didn't see it.
@@Macca15 I don't think he would've commented this if he didn't actually see it.. but then we're being told there's a cool tactic so we think differently than the players playing this game. And as Joe said good luck to him to actually get this against Grischuk
@@Macca15 lol I’ve played moves like that many times
Yes sure...That s why you still 1800🤣🤣🤣
Overdramatic commentators. Very easy move to find
one word. cringe
ill take "What women say after going on a date with Max" for $500
Why do the snowflake mods here delete my responses wtf is wrong with this world