tim burton is also a great example, he is just interested in weird and unusual aesthetics but never exploring topics outside the norms of society. He might have been different and unique before the 2000s but now he is just another money maker for corporates like Disney
But have any of you considered that not everything has to have sociopolitical discussions? He just likes creepy shit. Nothing more nothing less. A plumber is a plumber and doesn't have to be deeper than that.
@@Jane-ow7srcool, didn't he always said that he likes making stuff about societal outcasts (see his whole filmography, I'm not touching on quality for now)? Are you sure you want to say "yeah, none of his art has any meaning deeper then curface level aethstetic, regardless of what he ever said"? Are you sure that it all was only for pretty pictures and nothing else?
(also I agree that he's a good example of fake rebel who can only support pretty enough "outcasts" who don't really challenge status quo despite his attempts to show they are while ditching everyone who is actually outcast but not in his style (non-white people or non-burtonesque women on the top of my head), but I'm not sure Jane is ready for that part)
@@irregularstuff5290 yes. Being a societal outcast is a societal problem not a sociopolitical one and again not everything needs messaging. This isn't the own you think it is.
I mean look at Greta Thunberg.. once she started questioning capitalism and how it’s contributing to climate change, she suddenly is bashed by media and governments
The media and governments are controlled by the rich and they don't want us catching on. The wealthy and capitalism don't contribute to climate change ... they are it's 1# cause and ultimate manufacturers. The rest of us are told to use paper straws while they own the corporations, they built the systems, and they flit about on private jets. If there was no wealthy, no capitalism, there would be no climate change.
She’s the real rebel, she’s ACTUALLY gotten arrested and assaulted by police officers, but she’s not wearing black makeup so I guess it doesn’t count 🤷
I really agree with your point that people who become right wing as they age have never been leftists anyway because lately I’ve been seeing TikToks of people referring their 2020 ‘activism’ as their “blm era” and cringing at it and I’m so shocked to find out how much people didn’t care about these causes and only did that because it was trendy at the time. A few years from now they’ll be doing the same about Palestine too probably. And it is just shameful that they’re willing to ignore everyone’s suffering just because they don’t feel like it anymore.
@@LisaFevral hate to see some people are so privileged that they don’t even have to care but also their stupidity is off the rails I don’t envy that part
Isn’t this basically a lot of hippy/youth culture in general? Contrary to popular belief hippies themselves weren’t really into social activism but more counter culture of going back to nature and ceasing to struggle or interact with the system. There were actual artists in African American community as well as other activists and committed to civil rights, anti violence, anti nuclear, environmental activism, etc., sometimes hippies but often not. And many people just went through a hippy phase and grew out of it. It’s interesting to see POV of someone like Joan Baez who was a bit older and more involved in protest music at the time on events like Woodstock. She seems a bit critical maybe but she does have a point about it’s actual impact
Girl this video is STRAIGHT UP FACTSSS Like it really bothered me when i saw a girl on Tiktok call herself a conservative punk like that was literally an oxymoron and it hurts because in a time like this we actually do need a rebellion like the original punk movement but everything is watered down to just clothes without any of the heart which imo contributes further to our continued subjugation under capitalism.
Yeah, I've seen people like this too! Shocking how there are genuinely those who think that being conservative is okay with punk, or that it's a valid part of the punk subculture. Imagine being this disconnected from reality
totally agree here! Part of the faux rebellion obsession is partially an obsession with spectacle and having a frankly non-challenging cause because the cause for rebellion has become so corporately vacant (beyonce and taylor swift as perfect examples of being "feminist" but not in any way that challenges the system for regular people in any meaningful way) -- it's the dominant culture subsuming counter culture and assimilating it in a non-provoking, commodifiable form. It's like the rich appropriating the aesthetics of rebellion.
Taylor Swift is not only a billionaire, but the child of two billionaires. Her father bought major stock in the record label that signed her and bankrolled a tour through Nashville. Yet she's treated like an underdog. She's a white feminist, polluter, and capitalist.
I think the older I get the more leftist I get. Mostly, because now I have better info about the world problems than I did when I was younger. I think the idea that older people become right wing is because they would earn more money, so they'd get more greedy. Nowadays younger people don't really get that much money from doing a regular job as people used to. Many became radicalized when they started working a shitty low paying job.
Yeah I think people tend to not believe other peoples experiences unless they match their own or their loved ones, so when most ppl make enough to live a decent life they genuinely assume tht those who don’t have purposefully failed, or didn’t work as hard, which is nonsense.
I think the older people get the less time they have. It's easy to be a rebel when you're teen with no job and skip schoolwork, it's harder to be a rebel when you're working a 9-5 24/7 and have bills to pay and a life to build. You focus on the issues closer to you with a more cautious outlook viewing the long term slower changes rather than the big loud short term changes. Alot of older conservatives over time will forget even those issues and older "liberals" will be stuck with their old teenage beliefs while being complacent in an aesthetic of their past. In the end screaming protests and getting caught in the political web helps neither group and the only thing I can think of to unite people as it's done through most of history is to have a common enemy that is bold enough for us to physically fight instead of a subtle poison.
the point about faux rebellion being seen as radical so that actual rebellion is seen as unacceptable just on the principle of aesthetic even if said rebellion is the most peaceful of protests!!!! ugh i love ur vids sm
Jojo's "rebellion" reminds me of this "punk" conservative group I'm in (I wanted to troll them). they're mostly Gen X & Boomers, maybe some Millennials. they honestly think being punk means being a drunk asshole who hates marginalized people. they're no better than Gene Simmons. it's just very obvious to me that they bought into the mainstream's narrative of punk rather than the actual ideology.
yesss omg it's like this guy who has a garage next to my apt building, he thinks being mad at minorities and sticking a "nowadays we have smart phones and dumb people" on his truck is somehow so edgy and is calling out the status quo like pleaaaase
That is honestly hilarious to me since, as a millenial, i grew Up with a few Punk Dudes in my class and.... Guess what, theyre were all lefty. Which i thought was "radical", because i was a sheltered Teen who was only Just dipping her toes into philosophy and following actual world Events. Were those Guys drunk a Lot and Listening to "shitty" music too loudly? Sure. We were like 16, everyone was drunk a Lot. And obnoxious. 15 years later and im realizing that those Guys were some of the smartest guys and Girl in my school 😅
@nailinthefashion it was ridiculously easy, the bar for entry is just answer their questions. I'm surprised they didn't see the stuff I post bc it's too obvious I'm a socialist. they like to pride themselves in "free speech," but it's obvious they're bored & want conflict.
"When you start acting like an oppresor" dang ive never heard it put so concisely. I love all of this take im so over the modern worlds commodities. And its sanitization of real problems and forcefeeding capitalism
I'm so glad you made this. I was just talking to a friend the other day about how there's no subcultures anymore and everything's been reduced to aesthetics, and it's because of this very boring performative version of "rebellion". Punk, goth, and grunge weren't just about the clothes you bought or the music you listened to, the were also about your ideologies and values. But so many people took it down to "yayyyy I'm wearing an interesting outfit and saying fuck you to The Man" that it just became about the signifiers of being counter-culture rather than actually being counter-culture. It's also why a lot of conservatives are convinced their the "real rebels". They have no idea what rebellion even is.
yeah it's interesting how sanitized these things have become. in a way, it will make it harder to be a fake participant I guess, bc everyone will stop associating this look with anything subversive, but also who knows if that'll happen
Let's be honest. Most of the people who participated in punk, goth, and grunge movements didn't do it for the ideologies and values either. Did it start that way for those subcultures? Yes. Did some of the participants still care about it? Of course. Did most of the teens/young adults who participated in it do it because they genuinely cared about the movement? Well, it doesn't seem that way, especially when you meet these people today. They just cared about the clothes and music. You talk to these people who used to participate in these subcultures, and many of them don't care about the beliefs and are just as superficial as the "normies", sometimes more. They did it to feel cool and different. Most people don't go a complete 180% in their beliefs as they get older, so I can't say that I'm optimistic enough to believe these people ever cared in the first place, especially when these same people openly admit they never cared about anything. I hear boomers and gen xers say, "We're genuine. We're the real punks." but don't care about anyone but themselves, they are satisfied with others being oppressed as long as it doesn't affect THEM, they don't criticise current systems, and they admit that they never cared about anything even back in the day, let alone politics or social issues, in the first place.
real rebellion isn't marketable! and most aesthetic 'rebels' are just tryna sell you something but one good thing that has the potential to come out of the current oversaturation of aesthetics, is that a "rebellious look" frankly doesn't feel edgy or cool anymore. we see it every day, and know that it does't mean anything. so, it may keep becoming less easy to steal and rebrand the look - maybe we're moving toward only actual action feeling like the real thing, and being less distracted by people in a costume. one can hope!
11:13 i feel this way about elon musk, if you ask me he isn’t part of the autistic community. Nobody that rich for his entire life can know what it feels like to get discriminated like the rest of us
I've watched a few video essays on jojo's rebrand already but I didn't feel like any of them fully captured my thoughts on it, they were all missing something in a way. after watching this it hit me that it was the empty/hollow 'rebellion' that was concerning to me so thank you for highlighting that here. as usual another worthwhile watch (and u look gorgeous
@@Dave102693 oh you mean like how her mom did to her and thus completing the cycle and prob traumatizing said girls into said cycle? That’s what the unicorn represented and in this essay I wi-
all of what you mentioned strongly reminded me of the 2020 era of tiktok alt kids who participated in the indie kind aesthetic. i see a lot of the children in my city that used to pose heavily as social activists while putting picsart stickers on their photographs with monster energy drink cans now completely ditching that part of their life as just ''a cringe aesthetic'' while, in 2020, being so proud of how ''progressive'' and ''lib'' they were. i saw another comment here mentioning how some people online talk about blm as if it was just a trend and yeah, i can definitely see the similar pattern in people participating in different fashion trends. it's quite disappointing to see that, but tbh i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those fashion trends are manufactured by stronger power to make young people believe as if they are doing something important or believing in positive ideals while literally doing nothing but consuming and screaming about it online
It's cool to see someone talk about this. I think that in most places of the world that aren't big, progressive American cities, just dressing differently, singing alternative music and doing simple things like dressing outside of gender norms (like men painting their nails or women wearing baggy clothes) is still looked down upon. And where I live, you're not even really allowed to speak about things like being queer, mental health or poverty, so I still appreciate artists who do those things, even if the public doesn't consider them subversive. And yet, mainstream celebrities absolutely use the aesthetic of rebellion and alternative culture to seem subversive, without actually saying anything. It's frustrating, gross, and cringe-worthy. It doesn't mean anything if you don't actually mean it, if you're just doing it for publicity and praise from the "normies" - it's inauthentic. I've spent my whole life in alternative music circles, and I appreciate the musicians who've actually advocated for things and practiced what they preached. No human being is perfect, even celebrities, so I don't expect them to be political experts or to constantly sacrifice their life for the public, but tbh, the state of modern entertainment/media/celebrities is just mind-numbing and depressing. Nobody can take away being black from Beyonce or being queer from Jojo Siwa, and everyone has a different experience as a marginalized person, but ultimately, they only advocate for themselves. So tired of the corporate feminism, rainbow washing bullshit.
Yeah, where I grew up, just having slightly longer hair as a man was a statement, but since these celebrities have none of those restrictions, it’s crazy to see them calling it a form of rebellion haha
it's frustrating to see how time and time again when celebrities/public figures use one "rebellious"/"controversial" sht as their whole personality/aesthetic for the 😮 moment and not use that momentum to actually do something
This is so right, empty rebellions are really just a trend. Also you’re gorgeousssss Shout out to the person who suggested the lipgloss intro because it’s such a great idea 🤌 Also I know this comment isn’t really interesting, is mostly for the algorithm cause you deserve it girl 💚💫
Oh I talked with friends about Taylor and the man just the other day and you are so right, adding to that, we were talking about it BECAUSE that tweets about her latest mv talking about the creatives SHE hired and always wanted to work with. Lisa you will not be surprised, yep, all of them were men expect for the last two names, two women (and one man) in charge of styling. So... You talk in your music (and speeches may I add) about how hard women has it to have success but the moment you have power and money to hire whoever the hell you want in the world, you still pick men. Yeah... What a rebel against inequiality. In case someone comes for me, name a woman in creative media that taylor has openly named and uplifted by working with her several times. No that gay guy that produces for her doesn't count.
I remember the one time she made a half-*ssed attempt at condemning the death threats/doxxing/harassment in her fanbase. She only said "don't harass Joe Alwyn or John Mayer". Her fanbase harassed countless poorer journalists, women, women of color, and hurled homophobic slurs at a gay journalist for critiquing her tour. When she spoke up, it was only to defend rich, straight, white men. She has been friends with Drake, Matty Healy, Brigette Mahomes, and Lena Dunham for years - all of whom either perpetrated sex abuse or covered it up.
This is very tied to the anarchist political theorist Mark Fisher’s idea of capitalist realism. Rebellion (often against capitalism) becoming consumed by the thing they rebel against, therefore becoming ”fake”. Idk if you mention this later in the video but even just the intro made me think of him!
honestly this desribes half of the goth subculture and I;m not talking about the younger people, it's the 30+ white men who brag about how ReBeL and TrAd GotH (and smarter than everyone else obv) they are. Had an interesting encounter with these with my bestie during a festival, they made fun of her because she's Jewish and shouted homophobic slurs in the tent area
Totally agree with the statement on Kiss being toothless rebellion. I’m a Kiss fan; their music’s fun, they’re entertaining to watch for sure. But I’ve never understood how they were ever seen as rebellious when underneath all that makeup & bondage clothing, they’re a bunch of nerdy dorks who got rich & became the ‘men in suits’ types.
I love how articulate and knowledgeable you are about so many topics, and so unabashedly into fashion and "silly little" cartoons. I love your passion. Keep calling it how is.
I really appreciate you discussing this! While it’s always fun to talk about things like children’s cartoons, facing deeper subjects that affect us all are really important too. An absolute round of applause to you!
Лиза, я не смогу подобрать достаточно точных слов на английском, чтобы выразить свое восхищение и уважение глубиной твоего анализа. Как же приятно смотреть каждое твое видео. Твои мысли, твой язык... Когда ты используешь английские крылатые фразы и пословицы, мой внутренний ученик, сдающий ЕГЭ, хлопает в ладоши. This girl learned her English lessons! Восторг! Спасибо, что ты есть.
I feel like many people dont understand the world enough to be rebellious. Like the modern trends are "eco friendly", "feminist", "equal rights",... but not many people, at least the ones i talked to so far, understand what those things mean. Our entire world and culture, as far as my experiences go, is so deeply influenced by companies and governments. Online, offline, everything. Almost nothing of our values today is based off of non-commercial beliefs. And once you understand that, it's not that hard to see why we're not supposed to think actual rebellious thoughts. Because if we would, that would harm companies and obviously governments. I used to think that, with the internet, rebellion would be easier because you can get connected to more people. But now i believe that it's much harder because the "brain washing" is sooo much less obvious and happens so easily and frequently. Just the amount of people that i talked to in my life so far that told me things that used to originate in propaganda, but they don't even know that. And the choke hold that the US has on the internet doesn't make any of these problems easier. They influence culture in probably every single country on earth now, knowingly or unknowingly advertising their kind of capitalism, their kind of "democracy", etc. I do believe its important to have clothing and styles that embody rebellion but it needs something new. Doc Martens aren't rebellion, they're the opposite of that. We would need something so entirely non-corporate, that it shows the values that the rebellion stands for. I don't know, I was just ranting. But this is a topic that i have spend many many hours thinking about and i could probably write a while book about at this point. I guess the last thing i want to say is: Rebellion isn't popular, that's why its a rebellion. So we shouldn't expect many people to actually be rebellious. If we want that, we need to work for it. And find people that we think, if they were able to see all the shameless propaganda online, they would be against it, and then show them that. Thats the only way to actually change anything ever.
heavily agree with so many of your points, especially with the way i see social media atm (particularly elon's deep ruination of twitter) -- where being a bigot or spreading fascist ideology proliferate as """"based"""" with his acceptance while protesting for human rights or calling out said fascism is "going too far", even when it's met with violence from the state
Thats so interesting because I totally got swept up by half the PR stunts and aesthetics (excluding jojo, she's fooling nobody lol) and I never realised how deeply entrenched we are into this idea of performative rebellion. I think the only time I ever actually first thought this way was when I heard the new girl crush lyrics of kpop lol
Omg wait a minute, I think I had that same realization when JYP tried changing ITZYs "image". I don't remember the song at this point but I remember thinking huh? That's funny (funny but not in a funny way more so in a "Huh, that's interesting") And not only them, I started realizing more and more groups were coming out with this "tough one" imagery in the lyrics, kind of trying to emulate the Love Yourself message BTS did. But it felt empty, it felt like listening to nothing because what they're singing and the message they are trying to show are like ≠. Like how can you be singing about not taking in people's comments and standing up for yourself when you haven't been seen actually standing up for those beliefs. Sorry if this doesn't make sense
I remember watching Peter Monn’s reaction and him talking about how just existing as an openly gay kid in the late 70s/early 80s was way more dangerous than Jojo Siwa ever will be. Speak the truth girl!! 💅🏽💅🏽💅🏽
I clicked like as soon as I saw the title tbh bc I agree so hard. I’m so glad someone’s covering this topic. Thank you for making this--super interesting and well done. Would love to see more videos like this!
This is my first video from you. Very enlightening and true. Things are getting more and more watered down. I should try to learn more about the history of these aesthetics.
Thank you for always looking at a bigger picture, this is the first video from that POV I saw about Jojo's rebrand. The way to a progress and revolution is for ALL of us to actually be aware of the happenings and real issues. The 1% are manipulating us all so no one will do a thing or even be aware of what is happening... And yes we all must be aware for the change to happen, the world is just not their separate countries anymore. And also wanted to say that to me your videos are perfectly organised, I just watch them as they come, perfect balance of fashion and social commentary❤
I'm really glad that me not niching down in terms of content works for you, bc I can't be serious all the time and I can't be silly all the time either ahahah
The way I see it there’s people who fight oppression out of self protection, people who fight it because they have a moral problem with it, and people who “fight” it because they just wish they were the oppressor. And any of us can be more than one. Working with that last group feels far too similar to what growing up in a cult was like 🙃
13:18 yes 🙄 This rubbed me the wrong way 😮💨 back when our GOVERNMENT crusty dusty teacher told our entire classroom like 😒😬 Aren't you as a teacher suppose to teach without YOUR OWN PERSONAL BIAS 🙄
This is a very valuable point you're bringing up that conflates our culture of comodifying aesthetics and the performative transgression. I think that rebellion in itself can't be just for the sake of striking against societal problems but it's also something personal to the individual, which I think would be what these celebrities are trying (and failing) to emulate because there's no real bite to their 'rebellion', there's no desire to break free from upholding fake images but rather sell the illusion of 'transgression'.
10:29 The year when Viola Davis (and Danielle Deadwyler) was snubbed for Oscars. She did everything ‘right’ (prestige vehicle, star power, big movie, worked her way to the big league) and yet…
i love your videos because i genuinely come away feeling like ive added value to my thought process. i consume a lot of social commentary media but its definitely not all created equal. j feel like you add a lot to these conversations
Funny that this video is released around the same time as Taylor’s new album…I was like…tortured where babe? You’re barely even fighting for a cause that’s causing you to be tortured by your own government, and then that whole “live in the 1830s without all the racists” line in addition to your recent lack of activism for Palestine as you masquerade as a rebel for a cause (“feminism”)…girl the amount of tone deafness was too much to handle, I tell ya… Our standards are too low
As a swiftie I understand and agree to this love the album but Taylor really show too many times her tone deafness a lot like A LOT whenever she gets that criticism of how performative her politics I just sit back and watch her get all the lashes bc it’s deserved
I've seen someone say on Twitter that we're misogynistic because we are criticizing her for talking about her struggles with the entertainment industry, AND they had a watermelon flag on their display name like WHAT!? 😭 (P.S. I said watermelon because I'm not sure if saying the country's name will get youtube to delete the comment)
She’s being tortured yet she sued a college student for “exposing” her for being a climate criminal. She’s literally so performative and gross. I used to be a swiftie but I can’t bring myself to like a woman who acts like she created feminism for making a song that only talks about issues that affect her, especially since she’s profiting off the song. But real issues in the world affecting women don’t concern her apparently.
Pissy , straight to the point and cutting things right away is so nice to hear. No hate to anyone but I can't be bothered watching 30 minutes of someone beating around the bush and using long ass sentences to come into a small conclusion like at times I def prefer the way you handled this and it's still 21 minutes but I'm not tired at all and it's thoughts I've had inside my head !! Though getting a bit tired with things and ranting from the viewers perspective might be entertaining I hope you got to do something fun right after
I needed this video so bad! It reminds me that most people just don't actually hold the same beliefs as me, just because they say they do. Most people just say what they've been told enough times.
Jojo siwa killed me with the island part like that island is traumatized for life now 😭😭 I seriously am getting nightmares from that music video (Jojo absolutely lost it.)
This is pretty much what I also think of the "rebel" movements in the past ~10 years. I'm probably biased because I was an emo as a kid and it all seemed so much more raw back then (even tho it is frowned upon both today and back when it was going on, for different things tho). I know this might be judged but I also think that the whole "boomers were left and then they turned to right" may be because they saw these things as well. I see the exact same thing happening to gen X (boomer lite) and older millennials
I think some of it might also tie into them coming from a different time and Background and when "the left" changed they remained stuck. My parents are good examples. My dass "lefty" Phase revolved around economics and little Else. He Had some awareness that sexism is Bad, but that pretty much ended with "Well, divorce is legal, wives can get alimony, and unequal pay is technically illegal now, what more do you want". Anti racism to him is "we dont do segregation". Racism to him is a Personal evil rather than a system. My mum considers herself Feminist but her feminism is Kind of Stuck in the 2nd Wave. It's all about competing with men, being Like men, disdaining anything feminine. It doesnt reflect on those points at all. Theyre my main Motivation to remain self aware and Not get stuck in my current view of all of These Things. To keep learning. Cuz i dont want to wake Up one day and find that im shouting at some Kids just because i dont know their terminology.
the points in this video are so refreshing to hear!!! i see pop culture the same exact way and i feel so jaded cause i can't enjoy any of it knowing these celebrities are boneless, personalities are watered down, and everyone side eyes you for critiquing the image the 1% projects to everyone else!!!!! im TIRED!!!!
i haven’t finished the video yet, but i’m loving the format! i know you like to mix up your videos but i really do love your ‘think pieces’, you always find a way to put into words what i feel/think
Oh my god this was so well-phrased and insightful. It makes so much sense too. I can’t wait to throw it in the face of every old person who tells me they were “rebellious”
This has been something that’s been on my mind for years! I’m glad you made a video talking about this and I agree with all your points. Also, that shirt looks amazing on you, the lace in the back 👌 Definitely subscribing to this channel 🖤
i always go like "oh ik where she's going with this" then you surprise me 😅 loved how unapologetic you were through the vid unfortunately that's precisely why this sort of vids dont go viral you're way too real for some people
You voiced many of my thoughts perfectly! I used to be a Kiss fan, but stopped being one once the singer said something about trans kids, and being trans myself,.. yeah (I had even brought tickets for concerts but in the end I sold them; eventually I found out all the awful stuff they've done). They were never rebels, they were just guys in makeup. Very few actual rebels are famous, and most pioneers were from marginalized communities. That's where the "rebellion" comes from: rebelling against a system that doesn't want you. Just some thoughts. Sorry for the rant, lol
Yeah, you are 100% right! Most art and history was actually shaped by marginalized people that were speaking from experience, instead of stealing surface lvl stuff like aesthetics
I grew up playing in Punk and Hardcore bands. This was always problem. People love the idea of rebellion and punk fashion expression is always being ripped off. But then youd have a disconnect. We would try to talk about dismantling unjust hierarchy, the importance of sovereignty from oppressive structures, the true meaning of egality, etc. But then some kid would show up in their dads leather jacket and tell us that WE didnt understand the scene. As if an entire genre of music and fascet of culture was created just so they could look cool in a mosh pit, and pick up some chicks later. They didnt care about the destructive nature of monoculture, they wanted to look cool.
Also, this is a tiny facet of the style vs substance, and meaning vs aesthetic debates, which is one of the biggest philosophical questions of our time. And i love that Lisa talks about it, thank you ❤
I would like to give you and most (if not all) the people in this comment section a hug. It feels nice to see people engage in meaningful conversation and use their brains instead of giving in to the cognitive dissonance and prejudiced thought patterns that a lot of conservatives comfort themselves with. Especially after being subjected to Instagram reels comments all day it feels a little bleak out here lol. This generation gives me hope.
I think an aspect that is also overlooked in these fictional representations is temporality : the thing is, revolutionary acts don't always look like the flashy things you can see on TV. Sometimes it's about difficult conversations, ongoing support and solidarity. Things that look way less ""cool"" and take much more time than a big fight. It would be nice if there was just one big fight at the end of the movie and then the world is saved, but things are much more complicated than that.
Wow you really spoken the gospel truth even as a self proclaimed swiftie and beyhive you told a unspoken truth that a lot in the fanbases I’m in that don’t want to say, which is Taylor and Beyoncé do use feminism and black liberation as performative aesthetics people don’t know Beyoncé comes from the same upper middle class background as Taylor the only thing that separates them are their racial identity. For me as a fan of both I’m just self aware and critical of their actions and focus on the music, but whenever that criticism of them comes on, I just let them get all the lashes they get bc it’s well deserved. But I’ve had this thought for years for a lot of artists the more I’ve become more political consciousness starting my preteen years through doing research and think piece articles online, I felt this way about the likes of lady Gaga and Harry styles for a hot minute, (back in my HS years I use to get hated for saying someone like Janelle monae is the true artist and political activist that Gaga wanted to be) and even artists that I love like Taylor and Beyoncé, as well as solange, Jay z, Kendrick Lamar, FKA twigs, Kanye west (before he came a bigot), Rihanna etc. but I just listen to the music and keep it moving I don’t put them on this high political pedestal as I used to,
Grlyyyy fka twigs is a slay. I think she def stands out from those singers because her vision is so artistic and emotional. Also eff Robert Pattinson. Aside from that, I agree that we shouldn't be holding those people to a high degree because let's face it, they are reaping the benefits of a capitalist society while the rest of us feel it's burden.
"upper middle class" No, Taylor was born to two billionaire parents. Beyonce was born to a man who owned a record company. WAAAAY more privilege than that.
12:29 i think that no matter where you come from, once you reach a certain status in society, you’re going to relate more to the people in your same newly founded circle than the people you grow up with. because they never have and probably never will get to the status you are at now. rihanna is no longer going to be able to relate to your average working lower class citizen in barbados, even though that’s who she was raised by.
yeah, I think the most formative years for people are their 20s and 30s, and if you haven't experienced real struggle and got lucky to succeed or be moderately successful after uni - you won't understand the way that things can be stacked up against ppl
Honestly this is part of the reason jojos initial comment abt gay pop bothered me so much. It feels like her n her pr team realized that they can profit off of her queerness after general audiences perception of her shifted from "annoying teen that acts like shes 10" to "great queer role model for kids" after she came out n have decided to lean into that without actually having enough care for the part of queer culture that she supposedly wants to contribute to to know that it already exists.
OMG this makes so much sense!!! People want to be rebellious because of the ‘aesthetic’. For example in Japan the whole point of Lolita fashion was to push back against the idea about femininity being for the male gaze....That is a cause. As well as Kawaii/ Harajuku fashion is used by young people to rebel against the social norms and the pressure society has on them. I have watched a lot of videos on Jojo’s rebrand...but you video in particular concentrates on what was the point of her changing her look with a cause. 🙂🙂🙂
I remember when I was getting into punk music and at the end of the day I mainly ended up liking Dead Kennedys cuz their music just hit the most and Jello Biafra really knew what he was talking about, I mean speaking on landlords and greed, killing innocent children, imperialism, exploitation. And he tried to run for a government position and constantly talks about politics. I mean I don’t know what his beliefs are now but that was like more than what some punk bands were doing. I admit I also feel like a poser, like I believe in rebellion but have never been part of it. This world really drags one down
I think it's more important to be actively empathetic in your personal life and implement these ideas when you interact with the world rather than only participating in protests. I think understanding these things and collectively learning more about each other and how we're consistently getting owned by greedy ppl is what counts most
Girl the way u put these thoughts into words is amazing to me, like, I’ve had these vague thoughts on certain topics for ages now but way this video consolidated them into one big fk u to the existing systems in place, I havto love it
This reminds me of camila cabello and her alt "rebrand" where she was saying that she was a weirdo and that she needed to make weirder music. Mind u, she's straight, perfecly fits in the status quo and only uses her latina identity when its convenient lol
Damn, this was so good, you were on fire about this and it was awesome to witness. I also couldn't help but laugh at everything you said about KISS and Gene Simmons. 💀 That was searingly accurate and so hilarious. Standing ovation for every minute of this video. 👏👏
I love how you go layers deep many video essayist just be saying anything and don’t really share an honest opinion or something they actually thought about for more than an hour😭
You're 100% right but IMO it's not as machiavelic as it seems : Little kids like bright colours and cute animals so they get sold colours and cute animals. Teens like independence, rebellion, drugs and sex so they get sold the image of those things. It's not a big concerted system to neuter us (albeit it does do that), it's just marketing : dressing up the product so it finds its consumers.
if you’ve seen the dance moms reunion clips jojo still supports abby and praises abby for how she treated them, and it’s like if you can’t even see the abuse YOU experienced how can she really care about the abuse others experience at a global scale
You should def consider making a video on Taylor Swift and her aesthetic of white corporate feminism. Plenty of video essays on that one but I feel like you'd have a lot of interesting points that haven't been brought up.
About the 'you only think you're left wing is because cosmetics' thing... Reminds me of a song by The Narcissist Cookbook. The Absolute State of the Union. "The thing is, the young man who would tell you with a straight face No less that "There is never an excuse for violence Or for taking the law into your own hands" Did not realize at the time that that attitude came from a position Of never having to so much as raise his voice to be heard [...] And by arguing that People should be able to fight for their rights While in the same breath Denying them the right to fight He was more than a product of the system He was a dedicated defender of it While self-identifying as progressive And liberal And punk Of all things" And then, they grew up to be all that they, in their 20s, used to claim to be. I'm currently in my early 20s and i see some of those faults in myself. And i don't want that. But now i know i will grow and i just have to make sure to _become_ who i want to become. I'm still _becoming_ a person. I'm on my way, but not quite there yet. But i believe I'll get there. I try not to involve myself too much in politics, and to an extent that's fine, but I'm just perpetuating a system i dont agree with by doing that. I should allow myself to _care_ more. Because i do care, but i sanitize my own experiences, and isn't that synonymous with not caring enough? Anyway, good video. Gave me some food for thought.
15:50 yep 😮💨 they really saw A WHITE GUY wear "feminine clothing" and nail polish 😑 😐 and went "yep, he's our guy, definitely" like ??? I'm at a loss for words 😕 😔
Always with the use of a media moment as a wedge to give interesting commentary about something wider! I do often feel as though a lot of media critique leaves out wider societal aspects. Practically everything is a symptom of how society is organised in one way or another, and a lot of aforementioned critiques leave an impression of "missing the forest for the trees" e.g. focusing on Cyrus as a counter to Siwa when they're actually both just two adjacent trees in the same forest. I like that you are willing to talk about the forest itself. I also think that is a great shirt!
Next stop after an artist REBEL PHASE : The sober real respectable artist phase!! : Acting in an Oscar bait biopic, a duet with Tony Bennett, the tell-all big interview, the 'back to basics' acoustic album, the Las Vegas residency. That playbook is so predictable LOL.
20:00 (me and how I feel about kpop groups, and partially why I no longer actively listen to this genre of music, like I'll still listen but its gotta be enticing for me to, I stopped just listening for the sake of listening a while ago)
I’d understand her “rebellion” if she actually had anything to rebel against lmao. All she talks about tho is how edgy she is (which automatically makes you not edgy, you’re just cringe and a try hard), she also keeps acting like she created queercore when she has seen no success in the genre (unlike Lady Gaga and Elton John, who’ve become widely known queer(core) artists. She never talks about how she’s rebelling, she doesn’t have anything to fight for. She’s literally dressing emo for the reason most people assume emos exist; it’s all for attention. Also, her being edgy as a way to be different just makes her soooooo much more fake and generic- especially considering how many people act like they’re rebels when they find no reason to rebel.
you look amazing! missed seeing you, youtube never recommended your videos anymore and i forgot to check the channel, loved the way you approached this topic.
yeah, unfortunately I've been getting a lot of comments/messages like this, TH-cam is sometimes not even showing my videos to people who pressed the bell notification thing, so... TH-cam's really tanking my videos haha
Lisa, all of that is very good, but
I was a bad girl and I did some bad things,
bahahah
I guffawed. I knew it was coming, and I guffawed anyway,
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My wig is gone
Excuse me!!!!
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The hunger games cast is so ironic cause the only actors I've seen actually hold the same morals as the movies is SNOW's.
Ikr
I won’t assume about most of them, but they’re seemingly the same as the other ppl who support what’s convenient
Could you expand on this? I’m a huge fan of the trilogy and the prequel
Ikr, Jennifer Lawrence laughing abt wiping her butt and some ancient rock in Hawaii and being besties with Amy Schumer 😭
@@tonystonem9614honestly her being besties with Schumer is the biggest 🚩🚩
tim burton is also a great example, he is just interested in weird and unusual aesthetics but never exploring topics outside the norms of society. He might have been different and unique before the 2000s but now he is just another money maker for corporates like Disney
Yeah, he’s super commercial and nothing else
But have any of you considered that not everything has to have sociopolitical discussions? He just likes creepy shit. Nothing more nothing less.
A plumber is a plumber and doesn't have to be deeper than that.
@@Jane-ow7srcool, didn't he always said that he likes making stuff about societal outcasts (see his whole filmography, I'm not touching on quality for now)? Are you sure you want to say "yeah, none of his art has any meaning deeper then curface level aethstetic, regardless of what he ever said"? Are you sure that it all was only for pretty pictures and nothing else?
(also I agree that he's a good example of fake rebel who can only support pretty enough "outcasts" who don't really challenge status quo despite his attempts to show they are while ditching everyone who is actually outcast but not in his style (non-white people or non-burtonesque women on the top of my head), but I'm not sure Jane is ready for that part)
@@irregularstuff5290 yes. Being a societal outcast is a societal problem not a sociopolitical one and again not everything needs messaging.
This isn't the own you think it is.
I mean look at Greta Thunberg.. once she started questioning capitalism and how it’s contributing to climate change, she suddenly is bashed by media and governments
Yeah, as soon as you see what they do and ask about it - you become the “undesirable”
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The media and governments are controlled by the rich and they don't want us catching on. The wealthy and capitalism don't contribute to climate change ... they are it's 1# cause and ultimate manufacturers. The rest of us are told to use paper straws while they own the corporations, they built the systems, and they flit about on private jets. If there was no wealthy, no capitalism, there would be no climate change.
She’s the real rebel, she’s ACTUALLY gotten arrested and assaulted by police officers, but she’s not wearing black makeup so I guess it doesn’t count 🤷
Exactly.She actually cared and people shut her down
I really agree with your point that people who become right wing as they age have never been leftists anyway because lately I’ve been seeing TikToks of people referring their 2020 ‘activism’ as their “blm era” and cringing at it and I’m so shocked to find out how much people didn’t care about these causes and only did that because it was trendy at the time. A few years from now they’ll be doing the same about Palestine too probably. And it is just shameful that they’re willing to ignore everyone’s suffering just because they don’t feel like it anymore.
Yeah like what do you mean you were doing it bc it’s popular? How are you living your life like this omg
@@LisaFevral hate to see some people are so privileged that they don’t even have to care but also their stupidity is off the rails I don’t envy that part
I'm sorry what????? Blm era??? I am flabbergasted
@@ebebebeb7283 they act like their ‘politically aware’ era was some sort of a fandom they used to be in and they’re embarrassed about it aaaaaa
Isn’t this basically a lot of hippy/youth culture in general? Contrary to popular belief hippies themselves weren’t really into social activism but more counter culture of going back to nature and ceasing to struggle or interact with the system. There were actual artists in African American community as well as other activists and committed to civil rights, anti violence, anti nuclear, environmental activism, etc., sometimes hippies but often not. And many people just went through a hippy phase and grew out of it.
It’s interesting to see POV of someone like Joan Baez who was a bit older and more involved in protest music at the time on events like Woodstock. She seems a bit critical maybe but she does have a point about it’s actual impact
Girl this video is STRAIGHT UP FACTSSS
Like it really bothered me when i saw a girl on Tiktok call herself a conservative punk like that was literally an oxymoron and it hurts because in a time like this we actually do need a rebellion like the original punk movement but everything is watered down to just clothes without any of the heart which imo contributes further to our continued subjugation under capitalism.
Let’s be friends I literally just commented the exact same thing ヽ(；▽；)ノ
omg CONSERVATIVE punk??? that's just crazy ahaha
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if you're a conservative/bigoted furry, punk, etc, you are not those things. you're a damn poser
Yeah, I've seen people like this too! Shocking how there are genuinely those who think that being conservative is okay with punk, or that it's a valid part of the punk subculture. Imagine being this disconnected from reality
totally agree here! Part of the faux rebellion obsession is partially an obsession with spectacle and having a frankly non-challenging cause because the cause for rebellion has become so corporately vacant (beyonce and taylor swift as perfect examples of being "feminist" but not in any way that challenges the system for regular people in any meaningful way) -- it's the dominant culture subsuming counter culture and assimilating it in a non-provoking, commodifiable form. It's like the rich appropriating the aesthetics of rebellion.
yeah it's trying to appear like someone who is "one of us"
Taylor Swift is not only a billionaire, but the child of two billionaires. Her father bought major stock in the record label that signed her and bankrolled a tour through Nashville. Yet she's treated like an underdog. She's a white feminist, polluter, and capitalist.
I think the older I get the more leftist I get. Mostly, because now I have better info about the world problems than I did when I was younger. I think the idea that older people become right wing is because they would earn more money, so they'd get more greedy. Nowadays younger people don't really get that much money from doing a regular job as people used to. Many became radicalized when they started working a shitty low paying job.
Yeah I think people tend to not believe other peoples experiences unless they match their own or their loved ones, so when most ppl make enough to live a decent life they genuinely assume tht those who don’t have purposefully failed, or didn’t work as hard, which is nonsense.
I think the older people get the less time they have. It's easy to be a rebel when you're teen with no job and skip schoolwork, it's harder to be a rebel when you're working a 9-5 24/7 and have bills to pay and a life to build. You focus on the issues closer to you with a more cautious outlook viewing the long term slower changes rather than the big loud short term changes.
Alot of older conservatives over time will forget even those issues and older "liberals" will be stuck with their old teenage beliefs while being complacent in an aesthetic of their past.
In the end screaming protests and getting caught in the political web helps neither group and the only thing I can think of to unite people as it's done through most of history is to have a common enemy that is bold enough for us to physically fight instead of a subtle poison.
the point about faux rebellion being seen as radical so that actual rebellion is seen as unacceptable just on the principle of aesthetic even if said rebellion is the most peaceful of protests!!!! ugh i love ur vids sm
Jojo's "rebellion" reminds me of this "punk" conservative group I'm in (I wanted to troll them). they're mostly Gen X & Boomers, maybe some Millennials.
they honestly think being punk means being a drunk asshole who hates marginalized people. they're no better than Gene Simmons. it's just very obvious to me that they bought into the mainstream's narrative of punk rather than the actual ideology.
yesss omg it's like this guy who has a garage next to my apt building, he thinks being mad at minorities and sticking a "nowadays we have smart phones and dumb people" on his truck is somehow so edgy and is calling out the status quo like pleaaaase
That is honestly hilarious to me since, as a millenial, i grew Up with a few Punk Dudes in my class and.... Guess what, theyre were all lefty. Which i thought was "radical", because i was a sheltered Teen who was only Just dipping her toes into philosophy and following actual world Events. Were those Guys drunk a Lot and Listening to "shitty" music too loudly? Sure. We were like 16, everyone was drunk a Lot. And obnoxious. 15 years later and im realizing that those Guys were some of the smartest guys and Girl in my school 😅
The fact that you infiltrated them lmao
those guys knew what's up, eh
@nailinthefashion it was ridiculously easy, the bar for entry is just answer their questions. I'm surprised they didn't see the stuff I post bc it's too obvious I'm a socialist. they like to pride themselves in "free speech," but it's obvious they're bored & want conflict.
As a business major Kiss is 💯% a marketing phenomenon. It’s all about merch and the other ways the band makes money outside of live performances
The S3 Pistols too. John Lydon/Johnny Rotten is a hardcore conservative Trump supporter and said he never held anti-monarchist beliefs.
"When you start acting like an oppresor" dang ive never heard it put so concisely. I love all of this take im so over the modern worlds commodities. And its sanitization of real problems and forcefeeding capitalism
I'm so glad you made this. I was just talking to a friend the other day about how there's no subcultures anymore and everything's been reduced to aesthetics, and it's because of this very boring performative version of "rebellion". Punk, goth, and grunge weren't just about the clothes you bought or the music you listened to, the were also about your ideologies and values. But so many people took it down to "yayyyy I'm wearing an interesting outfit and saying fuck you to The Man" that it just became about the signifiers of being counter-culture rather than actually being counter-culture. It's also why a lot of conservatives are convinced their the "real rebels". They have no idea what rebellion even is.
yeah it's interesting how sanitized these things have become. in a way, it will make it harder to be a fake participant I guess, bc everyone will stop associating this look with anything subversive, but also who knows if that'll happen
Let's be honest. Most of the people who participated in punk, goth, and grunge movements didn't do it for the ideologies and values either. Did it start that way for those subcultures? Yes. Did some of the participants still care about it? Of course. Did most of the teens/young adults who participated in it do it because they genuinely cared about the movement? Well, it doesn't seem that way, especially when you meet these people today. They just cared about the clothes and music. You talk to these people who used to participate in these subcultures, and many of them don't care about the beliefs and are just as superficial as the "normies", sometimes more. They did it to feel cool and different. Most people don't go a complete 180% in their beliefs as they get older, so I can't say that I'm optimistic enough to believe these people ever cared in the first place, especially when these same people openly admit they never cared about anything. I hear boomers and gen xers say, "We're genuine. We're the real punks." but don't care about anyone but themselves, they are satisfied with others being oppressed as long as it doesn't affect THEM, they don't criticise current systems, and they admit that they never cared about anything even back in the day, let alone politics or social issues, in the first place.
real rebellion isn't marketable! and most aesthetic 'rebels' are just tryna sell you something
but one good thing that has the potential to come out of the current oversaturation of aesthetics, is that a "rebellious look" frankly doesn't feel edgy or cool anymore.
we see it every day, and know that it does't mean anything. so, it may keep becoming less easy to steal and rebrand the look - maybe we're moving toward only actual action feeling like the real thing, and being less distracted by people in a costume. one can hope!
yeah, I think we can hope that's gonna be the result of this haha
11:13 i feel this way about elon musk, if you ask me he isn’t part of the autistic community. Nobody that rich for his entire life can know what it feels like to get discriminated like the rest of us
Yeah the neurotypicals can have him 😆
Didn’t know he claimed to be autistic, but every group is gonna have their walking Ls like Elon ahahah
Yeah, I don't claim him
He’s one of us but he’s not part of the community. No puzzle piece 4 u buddy soz
THIS!
I've watched a few video essays on jojo's rebrand already but I didn't feel like any of them fully captured my thoughts on it, they were all missing something in a way. after watching this it hit me that it was the empty/hollow 'rebellion' that was concerning to me so thank you for highlighting that here. as usual another worthwhile watch (and u look gorgeous
Calling Jojo the Highest Priestess in the Exploitation Church killed me 😭 love you Lisa ❤
She was a bad girl she did some bad things 🔥🔥
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The bad things: 🌈🦄🎀
@@nailinthefashionand overworking members of her former dance group
@@Dave102693 oh you mean like how her mom did to her and thus completing the cycle and prob traumatizing said girls into said cycle? That’s what the unicorn represented and in this essay I wi-
all of what you mentioned strongly reminded me of the 2020 era of tiktok alt kids who participated in the indie kind aesthetic. i see a lot of the children in my city that used to pose heavily as social activists while putting picsart stickers on their photographs with monster energy drink cans now completely ditching that part of their life as just ''a cringe aesthetic'' while, in 2020, being so proud of how ''progressive'' and ''lib'' they were. i saw another comment here mentioning how some people online talk about blm as if it was just a trend and yeah, i can definitely see the similar pattern in people participating in different fashion trends. it's quite disappointing to see that, but tbh i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those fashion trends are manufactured by stronger power to make young people believe as if they are doing something important or believing in positive ideals while literally doing nothing but consuming and screaming about it online
yeah I was a bit shocked by how they literally referred to it as "BLM aesthetic"
It's cool to see someone talk about this. I think that in most places of the world that aren't big, progressive American cities, just dressing differently, singing alternative music and doing simple things like dressing outside of gender norms (like men painting their nails or women wearing baggy clothes) is still looked down upon. And where I live, you're not even really allowed to speak about things like being queer, mental health or poverty, so I still appreciate artists who do those things, even if the public doesn't consider them subversive. And yet, mainstream celebrities absolutely use the aesthetic of rebellion and alternative culture to seem subversive, without actually saying anything. It's frustrating, gross, and cringe-worthy. It doesn't mean anything if you don't actually mean it, if you're just doing it for publicity and praise from the "normies" - it's inauthentic.
I've spent my whole life in alternative music circles, and I appreciate the musicians who've actually advocated for things and practiced what they preached. No human being is perfect, even celebrities, so I don't expect them to be political experts or to constantly sacrifice their life for the public, but tbh, the state of modern entertainment/media/celebrities is just mind-numbing and depressing. Nobody can take away being black from Beyonce or being queer from Jojo Siwa, and everyone has a different experience as a marginalized person, but ultimately, they only advocate for themselves. So tired of the corporate feminism, rainbow washing bullshit.
Yeah, where I grew up, just having slightly longer hair as a man was a statement, but since these celebrities have none of those restrictions, it’s crazy to see them calling it a form of rebellion haha
please commission a luscious animated lipgloss intro for this series
This 👆
But when you’re talking to the artist tell them specifically to not use any of the effects from James Charles’ …. So cursed
@@nailinthefashionLMAO the rigged ass image and sound effect combo
@@sumlem but of course his tacky ass thought it was a slay 😭 he was fully conned to me lmao
idk what I'll do yet bc I want a nice aesthetic without the TH-cam corniness haha
14:05 The Classic ‘you should be pragmatic and stop being so idealistic because idealism doesn’t pay the bills’.
it's frustrating to see how time and time again when celebrities/public figures use one "rebellious"/"controversial" sht as their whole personality/aesthetic for the 😮 moment and not use that momentum to actually do something
This is so right, empty rebellions are really just a trend. Also you’re gorgeousssss
Shout out to the person who suggested the lipgloss intro because it’s such a great idea 🤌
Also I know this comment isn’t really interesting, is mostly for the algorithm cause you deserve it girl 💚💫
Thank you🥰🥰🥰
Oh I talked with friends about Taylor and the man just the other day and you are so right, adding to that, we were talking about it BECAUSE that tweets about her latest mv talking about the creatives SHE hired and always wanted to work with. Lisa you will not be surprised, yep, all of them were men expect for the last two names, two women (and one man) in charge of styling.
So... You talk in your music (and speeches may I add) about how hard women has it to have success but the moment you have power and money to hire whoever the hell you want in the world, you still pick men. Yeah... What a rebel against inequiality.
In case someone comes for me, name a woman in creative media that taylor has openly named and uplifted by working with her several times. No that gay guy that produces for her doesn't count.
jack is also straight, btw ahahahah
Ou @@LisaFevral
I remember the one time she made a half-*ssed attempt at condemning the death threats/doxxing/harassment in her fanbase. She only said "don't harass Joe Alwyn or John Mayer". Her fanbase harassed countless poorer journalists, women, women of color, and hurled homophobic slurs at a gay journalist for critiquing her tour. When she spoke up, it was only to defend rich, straight, white men.
She has been friends with Drake, Matty Healy, Brigette Mahomes, and Lena Dunham for years - all of whom either perpetrated sex abuse or covered it up.
This is very tied to the anarchist political theorist Mark Fisher’s idea of capitalist realism. Rebellion (often against capitalism) becoming consumed by the thing they rebel against, therefore becoming ”fake”. Idk if you mention this later in the video but even just the intro made me think of him!
15:05 And then her concert is on Disney+ IN THIS ECONOMY like hello??
honestly this desribes half of the goth subculture and I;m not talking about the younger people, it's the 30+ white men who brag about how ReBeL and TrAd GotH (and smarter than everyone else obv) they are. Had an interesting encounter with these with my bestie during a festival, they made fun of her because she's Jewish and shouted homophobic slurs in the tent area
yeah like how on earth do they think they're doing something? like wow, upholding system of oppression, you guys are sOoOo brave!
Totally agree with the statement on Kiss being toothless rebellion. I’m a Kiss fan; their music’s fun, they’re entertaining to watch for sure. But I’ve never understood how they were ever seen as rebellious when underneath all that makeup & bondage clothing, they’re a bunch of nerdy dorks who got rich & became the ‘men in suits’ types.
YES. Thanks this is actually refreshing. Not just saying things I've already heard before or thought of myself. Actual commentary
I love how articulate and knowledgeable you are about so many topics, and so unabashedly into fashion and "silly little" cartoons. I love your passion. Keep calling it how is.
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I really appreciate you discussing this! While it’s always fun to talk about things like children’s cartoons, facing deeper subjects that affect us all are really important too. An absolute round of applause to you!
Thanks fpr talking about this, its so corporate and so annoying that people keep getting away with this fake rebellion
Лиза, я не смогу подобрать достаточно точных слов на английском, чтобы выразить свое восхищение и уважение глубиной твоего анализа. Как же приятно смотреть каждое твое видео. Твои мысли, твой язык... Когда ты используешь английские крылатые фразы и пословицы, мой внутренний ученик, сдающий ЕГЭ, хлопает в ладоши. This girl learned her English lessons! Восторг! Спасибо, что ты есть.
Ахах спасибо большое🤍🤍
@@LisaFevralподожди… ты русская??😳😳
Ага, я родилась на Кипре, выросла в Иркутске, и теперь я так еще и канадка
@@LisaFevral твой английский настолько хорош, что я даже и не догадалась👍🏻
@@LisaFevralомг я наконец узнали полный лор лизы февраль after two years of following the channel ?!? невероятно
I feel like many people dont understand the world enough to be rebellious. Like the modern trends are "eco friendly", "feminist", "equal rights",... but not many people, at least the ones i talked to so far, understand what those things mean.
Our entire world and culture, as far as my experiences go, is so deeply influenced by companies and governments. Online, offline, everything. Almost nothing of our values today is based off of non-commercial beliefs. And once you understand that, it's not that hard to see why we're not supposed to think actual rebellious thoughts. Because if we would, that would harm companies and obviously governments.
I used to think that, with the internet, rebellion would be easier because you can get connected to more people. But now i believe that it's much harder because the "brain washing" is sooo much less obvious and happens so easily and frequently. Just the amount of people that i talked to in my life so far that told me things that used to originate in propaganda, but they don't even know that.
And the choke hold that the US has on the internet doesn't make any of these problems easier. They influence culture in probably every single country on earth now, knowingly or unknowingly advertising their kind of capitalism, their kind of "democracy", etc.
I do believe its important to have clothing and styles that embody rebellion but it needs something new. Doc Martens aren't rebellion, they're the opposite of that. We would need something so entirely non-corporate, that it shows the values that the rebellion stands for.
I don't know, I was just ranting. But this is a topic that i have spend many many hours thinking about and i could probably write a while book about at this point.
I guess the last thing i want to say is: Rebellion isn't popular, that's why its a rebellion. So we shouldn't expect many people to actually be rebellious. If we want that, we need to work for it. And find people that we think, if they were able to see all the shameless propaganda online, they would be against it, and then show them that. Thats the only way to actually change anything ever.
Oh the Gloss Over titling for the video essays is a great idea! I always love seeing when you have new ones uploaded
10:58, this point was so well-said and construed. as a black woman i agree wholeheartedly! your awareness is so refreshing
heavily agree with so many of your points, especially with the way i see social media atm (particularly elon's deep ruination of twitter) -- where being a bigot or spreading fascist ideology proliferate as """"based"""" with his acceptance while protesting for human rights or calling out said fascism is "going too far", even when it's met with violence from the state
yeah, he said he was gonna bring back freedom of speech and all he did was bring tons of bots and n*zis back
Thats so interesting because I totally got swept up by half the PR stunts and aesthetics (excluding jojo, she's fooling nobody lol) and I never realised how deeply entrenched we are into this idea of performative rebellion. I think the only time I ever actually first thought this way was when I heard the new girl crush lyrics of kpop lol
yeah there's always that moment when you suddenly see it in someones work and then you can never unsee it
Omg wait a minute, I think I had that same realization when JYP tried changing ITZYs "image". I don't remember the song at this point but I remember thinking huh? That's funny (funny but not in a funny way more so in a "Huh, that's interesting") And not only them, I started realizing more and more groups were coming out with this "tough one" imagery in the lyrics, kind of trying to emulate the Love Yourself message BTS did. But it felt empty, it felt like listening to nothing because what they're singing and the message they are trying to show are like ≠. Like how can you be singing about not taking in people's comments and standing up for yourself when you haven't been seen actually standing up for those beliefs. Sorry if this doesn't make sense
I remember watching Peter Monn’s reaction and him talking about how just existing as an openly gay kid in the late 70s/early 80s was way more dangerous than Jojo Siwa ever will be. Speak the truth girl!! 💅🏽💅🏽💅🏽
I clicked like as soon as I saw the title tbh bc I agree so hard. I’m so glad someone’s covering this topic. Thank you for making this--super interesting and well done. Would love to see more videos like this!
Just discovered this video, and FWIW, I'm more liberal/progressive now than I ever was as a teenager or in college. And I'm in my 50s. Great video!
This is my first video from you. Very enlightening and true. Things are getting more and more watered down. I should try to learn more about the history of these aesthetics.
The world needs more people like you who encourage people to actually think and question things more! Keep these videos coming please!
Thank you for always looking at a bigger picture, this is the first video from that POV I saw about Jojo's rebrand. The way to a progress and revolution is for ALL of us to actually be aware of the happenings and real issues. The 1% are manipulating us all so no one will do a thing or even be aware of what is happening... And yes we all must be aware for the change to happen, the world is just not their separate countries anymore. And also wanted to say that to me your videos are perfectly organised, I just watch them as they come, perfect balance of fashion and social commentary❤
I'm really glad that me not niching down in terms of content works for you, bc I can't be serious all the time and I can't be silly all the time either ahahah
@@LisaFevral Works perfectly😊 I think we all need a bit of fun and a bit of serious talk
The way I see it there’s people who fight oppression out of self protection, people who fight it because they have a moral problem with it, and people who “fight” it because they just wish they were the oppressor. And any of us can be more than one. Working with that last group feels far too similar to what growing up in a cult was like 🙃
Oh, good comment
@@jokujaba1831 Thank you! I’m not sure if there’s evidence to support it but I find it a helpful way to make sense of my experiences
13:18 yes 🙄 This rubbed me the wrong way 😮💨 back when our GOVERNMENT crusty dusty teacher told our entire classroom like 😒😬 Aren't you as a teacher suppose to teach without YOUR OWN PERSONAL BIAS 🙄
I LOVE LE SSERAFIM TOO BUT WHEN YOU SAID "UNFORGIVEN WITH WHAT GIRL?" I CRACKED UPJGBDJHJBGHBGRHJHBRTH
This is a very valuable point you're bringing up that conflates our culture of comodifying aesthetics and the performative transgression. I think that rebellion in itself can't be just for the sake of striking against societal problems but it's also something personal to the individual, which I think would be what these celebrities are trying (and failing) to emulate because there's no real bite to their 'rebellion', there's no desire to break free from upholding fake images but rather sell the illusion of 'transgression'.
10:29 The year when Viola Davis (and Danielle Deadwyler) was snubbed for Oscars. She did everything ‘right’ (prestige vehicle, star power, big movie, worked her way to the big league) and yet…
I was a viola supporter but not since her pro Israel post
@@tonystonem9614 Wait what? Omg why? 😭
@@tonystonem9614the most on a pedestal they are, the harder and low they fall
i love your videos because i genuinely come away feeling like ive added value to my thought process. i consume a lot of social commentary media but its definitely not all created equal. j feel like you add a lot to these conversations
Funny that this video is released around the same time as Taylor’s new album…I was like…tortured where babe? You’re barely even fighting for a cause that’s causing you to be tortured by your own government, and then that whole “live in the 1830s without all the racists” line in addition to your recent lack of activism for Palestine as you masquerade as a rebel for a cause (“feminism”)…girl the amount of tone deafness was too much to handle, I tell ya…
Our standards are too low
Yet people still choose to believe in their lies 🙄
As a swiftie I understand and agree to this love the album but Taylor really show too many times her tone deafness a lot like A LOT whenever she gets that criticism of how performative her politics I just sit back and watch her get all the lashes bc it’s deserved
I've seen someone say on Twitter that we're misogynistic because we are criticizing her for talking about her struggles with the entertainment industry, AND they had a watermelon flag on their display name like WHAT!? 😭 (P.S. I said watermelon because I'm not sure if saying the country's name will get youtube to delete the comment)
Shes feeling tortured by the people calling her out for her private jet usage lol
She’s being tortured yet she sued a college student for “exposing” her for being a climate criminal. She’s literally so performative and gross. I used to be a swiftie but I can’t bring myself to like a woman who acts like she created feminism for making a song that only talks about issues that affect her, especially since she’s profiting off the song. But real issues in the world affecting women don’t concern her apparently.
Now I finally understand why people feel the need to communicate how early they are on a video lol… love ya‘🫶🏼
You’re quite literally “first” haha🤍
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Great points made about KISS and Harry Styles… Well, actually, great points all around! Thank you!
Pissy , straight to the point and cutting things right away is so nice to hear. No hate to anyone but I can't be bothered watching 30 minutes of someone beating around the bush and using long ass sentences to come into a small conclusion like at times I def prefer the way you handled this and it's still 21 minutes but I'm not tired at all and it's thoughts I've had inside my head !! Though getting a bit tired with things and ranting from the viewers perspective might be entertaining I hope you got to do something fun right after
I needed this video so bad! It reminds me that most people just don't actually hold the same beliefs as me, just because they say they do. Most people just say what they've been told enough times.
18:16 Oh yeah I’m using the song titles as memes too. Such fun! Monica Lewinsky had the best one for ‘You wouldn’t last an hour in the asylum’.
Jojo siwa killed me with the island part like that island is traumatized for life now 😭😭 I seriously am getting nightmares from that music video (Jojo absolutely lost it.)
Ahahhah it’s quite funny tbh
@@LisaFevralSo true!!
lol even in kpop you have goofy dance moves
oh soooo many, especially in boy group choreography
@@Choerrycoke *Cough* ATEEZ *cough* SKZ
This is pretty much what I also think of the "rebel" movements in the past ~10 years. I'm probably biased because I was an emo as a kid and it all seemed so much more raw back then (even tho it is frowned upon both today and back when it was going on, for different things tho).
I know this might be judged but I also think that the whole "boomers were left and then they turned to right" may be because they saw these things as well. I see the exact same thing happening to gen X (boomer lite) and older millennials
I think some of it might also tie into them coming from a different time and Background and when "the left" changed they remained stuck. My parents are good examples. My dass "lefty" Phase revolved around economics and little Else. He Had some awareness that sexism is Bad, but that pretty much ended with "Well, divorce is legal, wives can get alimony, and unequal pay is technically illegal now, what more do you want". Anti racism to him is "we dont do segregation". Racism to him is a Personal evil rather than a system. My mum considers herself Feminist but her feminism is Kind of Stuck in the 2nd Wave. It's all about competing with men, being Like men, disdaining anything feminine. It doesnt reflect on those points at all.
Theyre my main Motivation to remain self aware and Not get stuck in my current view of all of These Things. To keep learning. Cuz i dont want to wake Up one day and find that im shouting at some Kids just because i dont know their terminology.
the points in this video are so refreshing to hear!!! i see pop culture the same exact way and i feel so jaded cause i can't enjoy any of it knowing these celebrities are boneless, personalities are watered down, and everyone side eyes you for critiquing the image the 1% projects to everyone else!!!!! im TIRED!!!!
i haven’t finished the video yet, but i’m loving the format! i know you like to mix up your videos but i really do love your ‘think pieces’, you always find a way to put into words what i feel/think
Oh my god this was so well-phrased and insightful. It makes so much sense too. I can’t wait to throw it in the face of every old person who tells me they were “rebellious”
ahhh youve put into words exactly what i've been thinking!!!! especially from seeing those "alt" people on tiktok crying about actual punk beliefs
I've always loved your videos, but this one resonated with me on a personal level. Amazing, keep up the good work.
This has been something that’s been on my mind for years! I’m glad you made a video talking about this and I agree with all your points. Also, that shirt looks amazing on you, the lace in the back 👌
Definitely subscribing to this channel 🖤
i always go like "oh ik where she's going with this" then you surprise me 😅 loved how unapologetic you were through the vid unfortunately that's precisely why this sort of vids dont go viral you're way too real for some people
ahahaha don't let them know your next mOVE
You voiced many of my thoughts perfectly! I used to be a Kiss fan, but stopped being one once the singer said something about trans kids, and being trans myself,.. yeah (I had even brought tickets for concerts but in the end I sold them; eventually I found out all the awful stuff they've done). They were never rebels, they were just guys in makeup. Very few actual rebels are famous, and most pioneers were from marginalized communities. That's where the "rebellion" comes from: rebelling against a system that doesn't want you. Just some thoughts. Sorry for the rant, lol
Yeah, you are 100% right! Most art and history was actually shaped by marginalized people that were speaking from experience, instead of stealing surface lvl stuff like aesthetics
I grew up playing in Punk and Hardcore bands. This was always problem. People love the idea of rebellion and punk fashion expression is always being ripped off. But then youd have a disconnect. We would try to talk about dismantling unjust hierarchy, the importance of sovereignty from oppressive structures, the true meaning of egality, etc. But then some kid would show up in their dads leather jacket and tell us that WE didnt understand the scene. As if an entire genre of music and fascet of culture was created just so they could look cool in a mosh pit, and pick up some chicks later. They didnt care about the destructive nature of monoculture, they wanted to look cool.
Also, this is a tiny facet of the style vs substance, and meaning vs aesthetic debates, which is one of the biggest philosophical questions of our time. And i love that Lisa talks about it, thank you ❤
I would like to give you and most (if not all) the people in this comment section a hug. It feels nice to see people engage in meaningful conversation and use their brains instead of giving in to the cognitive dissonance and prejudiced thought patterns that a lot of conservatives comfort themselves with. Especially after being subjected to Instagram reels comments all day it feels a little bleak out here lol. This generation gives me hope.
I think an aspect that is also overlooked in these fictional representations is temporality : the thing is, revolutionary acts don't always look like the flashy things you can see on TV. Sometimes it's about difficult conversations, ongoing support and solidarity. Things that look way less ""cool"" and take much more time than a big fight.
It would be nice if there was just one big fight at the end of the movie and then the world is saved, but things are much more complicated than that.
Yep, the important things are usually boring and unpleasant. This is something I really struggle with lol
Wow you really spoken the gospel truth even as a self proclaimed swiftie and beyhive you told a unspoken truth that a lot in the fanbases I’m in that don’t want to say, which is Taylor and Beyoncé do use feminism and black liberation as performative aesthetics people don’t know Beyoncé comes from the same upper middle class background as Taylor the only thing that separates them are their racial identity. For me as a fan of both I’m just self aware and critical of their actions and focus on the music, but whenever that criticism of them comes on, I just let them get all the lashes they get bc it’s well deserved. But I’ve had this thought for years for a lot of artists the more I’ve become more political consciousness starting my preteen years through doing research and think piece articles online, I felt this way about the likes of lady Gaga and Harry styles for a hot minute, (back in my HS years I use to get hated for saying someone like Janelle monae is the true artist and political activist that Gaga wanted to be) and even artists that I love like Taylor and Beyoncé, as well as solange, Jay z, Kendrick Lamar, FKA twigs, Kanye west (before he came a bigot), Rihanna etc. but I just listen to the music and keep it moving I don’t put them on this high political pedestal as I used to,
Grlyyyy fka twigs is a slay. I think she def stands out from those singers because her vision is so artistic and emotional. Also eff Robert Pattinson.
Aside from that, I agree that we shouldn't be holding those people to a high degree because let's face it, they are reaping the benefits of a capitalist society while the rest of us feel it's burden.
@Kevin-rg3yc Idk what fka did to be on this list tbh, can you tell me?
"upper middle class" No, Taylor was born to two billionaire parents. Beyonce was born to a man who owned a record company. WAAAAY more privilege than that.
12:29 i think that no matter where you come from, once you reach a certain status in society, you’re going to relate more to the people in your same newly founded circle than the people you grow up with. because they never have and probably never will get to the status you are at now. rihanna is no longer going to be able to relate to your average working lower class citizen in barbados, even though that’s who she was raised by.
yeah, I think the most formative years for people are their 20s and 30s, and if you haven't experienced real struggle and got lucky to succeed or be moderately successful after uni - you won't understand the way that things can be stacked up against ppl
Honestly this is part of the reason jojos initial comment abt gay pop bothered me so much. It feels like her n her pr team realized that they can profit off of her queerness after general audiences perception of her shifted from "annoying teen that acts like shes 10" to "great queer role model for kids" after she came out n have decided to lean into that without actually having enough care for the part of queer culture that she supposedly wants to contribute to to know that it already exists.
yeah, it very much feels like an "angle" to take with her adult career to exploit it for money
OMG this makes so much sense!!!
People want to be rebellious because of the ‘aesthetic’. For example in Japan the whole point of Lolita fashion was to push back against the idea about femininity being for the male gaze....That is a cause. As well as Kawaii/ Harajuku fashion is used by young people to rebel against the social norms and the pressure society has on them. I have watched a lot of videos on Jojo’s rebrand...but you video in particular concentrates on what was the point of her changing her look with a cause. 🙂🙂🙂
This is an incredible essay.
I remember when I was getting into punk music and at the end of the day I mainly ended up liking Dead Kennedys cuz their music just hit the most and Jello Biafra really knew what he was talking about, I mean speaking on landlords and greed, killing innocent children, imperialism, exploitation. And he tried to run for a government position and constantly talks about politics. I mean I don’t know what his beliefs are now but that was like more than what some punk bands were doing. I admit I also feel like a poser, like I believe in rebellion but have never been part of it. This world really drags one down
I think it's more important to be actively empathetic in your personal life and implement these ideas when you interact with the world rather than only participating in protests. I think understanding these things and collectively learning more about each other and how we're consistently getting owned by greedy ppl is what counts most
@@LisaFevraldefinitely agree.
Girl the way u put these thoughts into words is amazing to me, like, I’ve had these vague thoughts on certain topics for ages now but way this video consolidated them into one big fk u to the existing systems in place, I havto love it
21:44 GREAT SHIRT! It’s so 2000s Power Casual Jennifer Aniston. 👏🏽
21:41 wait, that's such a cool top actually like it has lacing on the back!!
Ikr????
Sensory Overload really was the shizz growing up. I remember that hilarious SNL sketch (feat. Miley Cyrus) about Disney Channel acting school.
Omg yeah constantly at 170%
This reminds me of camila cabello and her alt "rebrand" where she was saying that she was a weirdo and that she needed to make weirder music. Mind u, she's straight, perfecly fits in the status quo and only uses her latina identity when its convenient lol
I'm latina from latam so i can shit on her 😅 same as the rare beauty owner but thats anotheeeer story
yeah it's quite funny ahaha
Damn, this was so good, you were on fire about this and it was awesome to witness.
I also couldn't help but laugh at everything you said about KISS and Gene Simmons. 💀 That was searingly accurate and so hilarious.
Standing ovation for every minute of this video. 👏👏
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I love how you go layers deep many video essayist just be saying anything and don’t really share an honest opinion or something they actually thought about for more than an hour😭
15:47 Oh yeah, I’ve had this thought too. I’ve mellowed over time but the underlying resentment still remains.
You're 100% right but IMO it's not as machiavelic as it seems : Little kids like bright colours and cute animals so they get sold colours and cute animals. Teens like independence, rebellion, drugs and sex so they get sold the image of those things. It's not a big concerted system to neuter us (albeit it does do that), it's just marketing : dressing up the product so it finds its consumers.
Yes, I agree with this... It's important to see the issue from different angles, and this is a major one.
if you’ve seen the dance moms reunion clips jojo still supports abby and praises abby for how she treated them, and it’s like if you can’t even see the abuse YOU experienced how can she really care about the abuse others experience at a global scale
You should def consider making a video on Taylor Swift and her aesthetic of white corporate feminism. Plenty of video essays on that one but I feel like you'd have a lot of interesting points that haven't been brought up.
The dollar store still sells glittery rainbow unicorn Jojo brand sticker sheets. I was tempted to buy as a cultural artifact
About the 'you only think you're left wing is because cosmetics' thing...
Reminds me of a song by The Narcissist Cookbook. The Absolute State of the Union.
"The thing is, the young man who would tell you with a straight face
No less that
"There is never an excuse for violence
Or for taking the law into your own hands"
Did not realize at the time that that attitude came from a position
Of never having to so much as raise his voice to be heard
[...]
And by arguing that
People should be able to fight for their rights
While in the same breath
Denying them the right to fight
He was more than a product of the system
He was a dedicated defender of it
While self-identifying as progressive
And liberal
And punk
Of all things"
And then, they grew up to be all that they, in their 20s, used to claim to be.
I'm currently in my early 20s and i see some of those faults in myself. And i don't want that. But now i know i will grow and i just have to make sure to _become_ who i want to become. I'm still _becoming_ a person. I'm on my way, but not quite there yet. But i believe I'll get there. I try not to involve myself too much in politics, and to an extent that's fine, but I'm just perpetuating a system i dont agree with by doing that. I should allow myself to _care_ more. Because i do care, but i sanitize my own experiences, and isn't that synonymous with not caring enough?
Anyway, good video. Gave me some food for thought.
Oh this was so relatable...
15:50 yep 😮💨 they really saw A WHITE GUY wear "feminine clothing" and nail polish 😑 😐 and went "yep, he's our guy, definitely" like ??? I'm at a loss for words 😕 😔
aahahahahah most of the guys that got big online too, same schtick
Always with the use of a media moment as a wedge to give interesting commentary about something wider! I do often feel as though a lot of media critique leaves out wider societal aspects. Practically everything is a symptom of how society is organised in one way or another, and a lot of aforementioned critiques leave an impression of "missing the forest for the trees" e.g. focusing on Cyrus as a counter to Siwa when they're actually both just two adjacent trees in the same forest. I like that you are willing to talk about the forest itself.
I also think that is a great shirt!
Thank you 🤍🤍
Next stop after an artist REBEL PHASE : The sober real respectable artist phase!! : Acting in an Oscar bait biopic, a duet with Tony Bennett, the tell-all big interview, the 'back to basics' acoustic album, the Las Vegas residency. That playbook is so predictable LOL.
This is very clever perspective, thank you for shining the spotlight!
Love this. A term I've heard used to describe this is Reapectability Politics
20:00 (me and how I feel about kpop groups, and partially why I no longer actively listen to this genre of music, like I'll still listen but its gotta be enticing for me to, I stopped just listening for the sake of listening a while ago)
Yeah like they’re entertainment to me, not artists ahah
19:26 oh btw, I like the pendant on the necklace 🔵
Thank you🤍
i love all your videos, but this one hits different. I think you are absolutely right ❤
I’d understand her “rebellion” if she actually had anything to rebel against lmao. All she talks about tho is how edgy she is (which automatically makes you not edgy, you’re just cringe and a try hard), she also keeps acting like she created queercore when she has seen no success in the genre (unlike Lady Gaga and Elton John, who’ve become widely known queer(core) artists.
She never talks about how she’s rebelling, she doesn’t have anything to fight for. She’s literally dressing emo for the reason most people assume emos exist; it’s all for attention. Also, her being edgy as a way to be different just makes her soooooo much more fake and generic- especially considering how many people act like they’re rebels when they find no reason to rebel.
you look amazing! missed seeing you, youtube never recommended your videos anymore and i forgot to check the channel, loved the way you approached this topic.
yeah, unfortunately I've been getting a lot of comments/messages like this, TH-cam is sometimes not even showing my videos to people who pressed the bell notification thing, so... TH-cam's really tanking my videos haha