The Last Guardian (Zero Punctuation)
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This week, Zero Punctuation reviews The Last Guardian.
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I'm just sat here laughing at the horrible photoshop monstrosity that is Yahtzee's take on the chicken-cat-dog
Just imagine it trying to articulate "just kill me" in giant dog bird language.
"Big brother ed? Do you want to play?"
It is truly a monstrosity that we can all love.
I was so excited to see what he'd come up with before I even started the video.
is it weird that I still wanna pet it?
Photoshop has never been used for a more beautiful creation.
Somehow Yahtzee only puts the funniest looking dogs in his videos, he never settles for less
The only way this game can surprise me is if Dog-thing _doesn't_ die at the end.
Well......
No but he loses his tail.
Does he turn into a baby?
No but I think he makes one at the end.
Sad Koi Giggity
the drumstick legs are fuckin killing me.
Corgi legs !
to be fair, Shadow of Robocop sounds like an amazing game
So does that one where you play as a forklift trying to romance the main character from a PS1 action game.
@@a-blivvy-yus Dreamcast/XBox-era Action game, technically.
If they let the game have mods.
The "shadow" in Shadow of the Colossus is the collection of spectres released by destroying their walking prisons, which consume and transform the protagonist. duh
oh you mean the eldritch nightmare tentacles that are inevitably drawn towards impaling me 17 different ways
@@theirishviking9278 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I personally found it rather hilarious at the point when he described him falling past the beast's nose to his death as I mentally imagined a touching orchestral swell happening and keep going despite the fact that it happened. After I imagined that, I couldn't breathe for a solid minute from laughing so hard.
The Photoshop version of Trico alone makes this one of Yahtzee's best videos ever.
I've never seen a more clumsy protagonist, 30% of the time his jumps just dont work and he will flop limply into a brick wall....or tumble down a flight of stairs.
Lol what game have you been playing?
I mean have you played shadow of the colossus same deal. But that fucker takes a nap every time he is hit
"Remember to spray and neuter your giant cryptofauna." - Yahtzee Croshaw
Ben Ward spay
"You should have trained the dog! Didn't you see its head tilt and its ear flop? Just get good!"
Oh, come off it, guys. There's no excuse for having a player be forced to progress in a game via some puzzle or platforming, only to be stuck because you didn't give your special ally enough belly rubs and ear scratches on the way.
Saying a creature moves like an animal is one thing, but if I'm supposed to TREAT him as such, giving positive reinforcement in order to make him obedient, then the game should clue you in on something so important. If I were to hear the game's narration say something like, "In time the beast came to understand me," I would have figured that the game would just have him be more obedient over time due to story events bringing us together, NOT necessarily because I ruffled his feathers.
Not everyone watches game developer interviews or reads strategy guides, so that "Team ICO told us it was a pet simulator!" defense is bullshit. The last thing a game designer should do is induce frustration and misplaced anger because the player didn't get lucky and find the info before he bought the game. I should be able to buy any game one year later and still have the same fun as a player on Day One of release, and find that fun ON MY OWN.
"Why doesn't this game hold my hand more"
Dan P Not really. It's just poor game design. If a major game mechanic isn't mentioned in game and can only be found out by reading dev interviews or getting lucky in the game that is lazy design. Introduce the mechanics in game so the players figure it out or barring that just tell them it's important. If you don't you severely limit the enjoyment of a lot of players.
UltimaKeyMaster Well, I don't play Mega Man X, so maybe that game does it better.
wait wtf does petting trico actually make him behave better? I thought that it was just a cosmetic gameplay feature
leonzchannelz actually petting doesn't make any difference, i tested by doing two walkthroughs, the firsts when I don't give a shit about trico and the second one when i pet trico, and was pretty much the same on both, trico doesn't respond well, so yeah, another excuse for a lazy design, too bad coming from a studio whit gems like shadow of the colossus.
Wow that Shenmue joke... I wonder how Shenmue fans react to that?
Javier Molina As a guy who loves Shenmue, I can tell you he is 100% accurate.
There's Shenmue fans? ...How?
BlazeDeval No one take the bait!
Parker Morgan Is it bait if I genuinely thought the game was shit?
Like this: ShenMewee? It's Shen-Mu!
I want the cold piece of marchinery and the forklift romance game.
Trico reacting to commands and the like's also incosistent. In scripted scenes, he jumps around seemlessly, but outside of them, it needs to look at the pillar for 5 minutes before deciding to actually do something.
Apparently, people defend this by saying it's an animal. Shouldn't it ALWAYS act like an animal, then?
I don't get the "real animal" argument.
Animal disobedience sucks no matter if it's virtual or real.
Zejgar As I and Yahtzee said, I'd understand it if it was consistently obedient or disobedient
Peasham apparently that happens if you give too many commands to quickly.
that's why you use commands :/
That's a mechanic that the devs didn't explain in which you have to actually train and treat the dogbirdrat well, and it becomes quicker to react to your commands, also it's more difficult for it to become distracted. Heck, in some moments he even does things before you even have to ask.
Still, both the implementing of this mechanic and not telling the player about it were dumb moves. I was lucky that someone told me about it before I played the game, otherwise I probably would have hated it too.
Does this channel post any other video anymore? They should just name it The Yahtzee Channel.
People, can you fucking STOP defending broken mechanics? It's fine to like the game, but stop calling broken mechanics intentional design. Do you realize you are defending and creating excuses for fucking BUGS?! If one player inputs a command and the dog does what he is supposed to, and the other player inputs the same command in the same exact spot and the dog does not even respond, this is NOT some fancy, realistic animal behavior meant to showcase its growth by the end. It's a fucking BUG!!! It's inconsistency. It's broken. Stop being fanboys. Love the parts that are great, and criticize the parts that are broken. Is it that hard?!
It's not a bug if it's intentional.
Default User Well in that case the developers are just fucking morons.
Generally yeah, it's bloody impossible for most people to criticize any part of any particular game that they like. The very thought that it might not be the most perfect thing in the history of ever is blasphemy, or something.
Though the "it's intentional AI" bit for THIS game is the dumbest I've seen in awhile. No game designer actually worth the chair they're sitting on would ever design AI that does that, for a loooooong list of reasons. No, this is a case of bad AI simply being bad AI. That's the era we live in: *proper* AI isnt really a thing yet, at all. So stuff like this happens alot.
....which makes me wonder why in the bloody hell they decided to make "Super Annoying Escort Mission: The Game" in the first place, which is pretty much what this is. It's like they listened to the complaints related to the AI in Ico and thought that it was extremely specific praise and that they should do more of that.
No legitimate criticisms are just nitpicks because I liked the thing you're criticising!!!!!
Sorry but about "defending bugs" - in the past years it's become a trend to release games in a much worse state than The Last Guardian ever was and ever will be, for example Skyrim after it's initial release and even today it's completely normal for questlines to bug your game to death. That's pretty much worse than people having issues with Trico's AI because they're too impatient to wait for it to act on whatever command is given.
It sure ain't no shadow of the colossus, that's for sure.....
Solid Snake Shadow of the colossus was open, epic and fast paste at times during battle. The last guardian is closed, epic and slow.
Darth Vader Nah, im very smart.
+Uncle Traveling Matt Yep, that's a tough act to follow. But I think it's a matter of preference, SotC is a boss rush/puzzle game, The Last Guardian and Ico are both puzzle/platformer games.
And it never tried to be at all. Im happy Ueda and his team didn't feel the need to pander to fans of just Shadow though.
If Fumito Ueda started immediately(emphasis on immediately given how long it took this one to came out) on a new game, maybe it will be more like SotC than TLG.
Maybe with the massive things you hunt behave more like animals and roam around a vast area with a day and night cycle(some of them sleeping at night, others awake/stronger or something). Damaging the Colossus-substitute enough will make the creature go from Fight to Flight and immediately focus on shaking you off and bolting to somewhere else in its designated zone which you would then track by the foot prints it leaves and drips of blood it trails. Maybe even have a predator/prey mechanic where you can lead one Not!Colossus into the path of another that preys on it.
Failing that, at least Prey For the Gods seems to be coming along, and it looks like it can scratch that SotC itch.
The hate for this game is unreal, you guys realize that the game wasn't actually in development for 10 years. The game got cancelled and was in development hell for years. The fact they even got the game out is impressive to say the least
Doesn't excuse it from criticism, now does it?
I hate all of you He didn't say that at all, don't twist people's words around. He said that it was not actually in development for 10 years, and people should take that into account. It was technically made with last generation PS in mind, so yeah it seems dated because it actually is.
A dolphin named Infernicus It was still released, though. It's not the PS3 era anymore. By that logic, we should say DNF isn't bad because it was in development hell.
I'm not talking about the video I should have been more clear, I'm talking about the people in the comments jumping on the bandwagon
Guess that makes a few people here liars. Of course, we can't all be the inside hacker that has every single detail about it's development in his back pocket, now can we?
Yahtzee forgets, Final Fantasy XV was announced 10 years ago underneath a completely different name. Final fantasy versus XIII.
why was josef mengele the one questioning Yahtzee's critique of the games difficulty?
...? it was a legitimate question. What does he have to do with the last guardian? Jackass.
Darth Karnis oh sorry, thought it was sarcasm
Actual answer: He's suggesting that "That's the challenge of the game" is the response of a sadistic psychopath incapable of human empathy or love, I'm pretty sure.
Why not?
I really liked this game. It makes me want to finally play Ico and Shadow Of The Collosus, but of course my PS3 got zapped in a thunder storm. There's PS Now, but if someone else on your connection decides to watch Fuller House on Netflix, it turns into a pixelated mess like your satellite TV signal during a thunder storm.
Anyone else watching this while pooping?
ACAY it helps a lot
ACAY Yes, actually.
Are you a wizard
ACAY shit man, I like to shit whilst watching Yahtzee shit on shit
whoa
I really enjoyed this game, it was a nice change of pace, with great and varied scenery despite only being set within the one area and just generally a wonderful experience that made me care about the two characters...
Oh yeah, and R1 + O seems to work for me during the diving puzzle.
a lot of people complain about Trico's apparently inconsistent AI, but on my second playthrough I never had a problem. I actually learned his body language and vocal cues to know when he was ready to catch, knew where to jump, telling me when he could jump, or even telling me he was lonely or didn't understand.
There's something oddly surreal about watching Yahtzees videos without sound
To quote Yahtzee, "Any game developer who sacrifices fun to make an artistic statement is obviously stuck so far up their own ass that they are in danger of choking on their own head."
Wait, what's that? It's made by Ueda?
Oh crap, I forgot! *10 out of 10*!
It's rather obvious that not all kinds of games should be centered around fun. If you're having fun playing a horror game, it's not exactly a good horror game. Fun is far from the only emotion with which a video game (or any artistic medium) can excite your emotions
@@kristianj.8798 Shhh... let him think he's as awesome and as snarky as Yahtzee.
That's what idiots are for!
Am I the only one who had little to no problem with Trico the entire game? I thought the controls for the boy were worse than controlling Trico. Maybe some of you just need to get good
Aurorealis same here. I had 0 problems with trico (so far) but the little kid and the camera is annoying. overall however I'm really enjoying the game.
They've been spoiled by QTEs and slide-into-place scripts for so long, they just can't understand when an NPC decides not to go the strict "game mechanic" route. I also had a harder time controlling the boy than Trico, and even then, the boy controls weren't horrible.
Aurorealis first play through went perfectly. Second time playing it Trico didn't do what I needed him to :(
The only difficulty I had with Trico was the diving level. I had to demonstrate a number of times that I wanted to dive, but he eventually got it. It felt a lot like training an animal and I enjoyed it.
The only people complaining about Trico are the kinds of people who cannot wrap their heads around "out of the box" design.
They want shit to happen the second they press the button but guess what? Wild animals don't work like that. They need coaxing, reinforcement to be trained and a little patience.
To be honest I feel like Yahtzee is little hypocritical here since he has stated that badly design combat in horror games helps the fear factor. Here its much the same.
So after nine fucking years we get to finally find out if the kid dies or the monster dies. I mean Penny Arcade was calling it, Yahtzee was calling it, we all knew it was gunna happen. The only question was which of the two if not both
[googles]
Wait, seriously?
Neither of them?
If you ask me, the game that's most likely to take The Last Guardian's place in the "hyped game that'll never come out round table" will be Kingdom Hearts III.
Considering how the director Tetsuya Nomura was previously working on Final Fantasy XV for about 7 years before Square Enix put their foot down on that project and booted him out of the directors chair, now he's working on that title and we're still nowhere near hearing about a release date.
Throwback Gaming The fanbase already has. It's been 13 years since the first game.
Notification squad here
Shut the fack up
Bender Rodriquez Dad?
reportin
He who trades enjoyability for realism deserves neither.
@@pantyeater-kun5788 Game-gamer interface is the very core mechanic of video games.
You need to know the difference between a book and a pachinko machine, alright kid?
It seems you are thousands of games behind that epiphany (considering your narrow boxing of games didn't include SIlent Hill 2 and Spec-Ops : The line), so I hope you can catch up quickly. In a couple of years maybe (if your brain hasn't melted already).
This review summarizes all my feelings about The Last Guardian and I couldn't have more fun with a platforming game.
Then again, I think I might be "Platform BDSM" because Shadow of the Colossus was fun even though I fell to my death countless times.
"Shemuy"
I like to think that British people are taught, if they don't pronounce a letter the little baby Queen cries.
then how do you explain worcestershire sauce? or as a lot of brits call it "worster" sauce
Or even better, Oswaldtwistle- known to its residents as "owt"
Or the fact that British people almost never pronounce the ‘t’ in water
@@thefffc194 the wa'er in meyor'a ain't wha' i' ough'a
I played through the game 2 times now. The first time, I was kind of dissappointed because of the controls (yes they are bad) and the fact that trico wouldn't listen half the time. But then I walked my dog (the day after i finished it) and I realized I might have approached the game in a wrong way. I heard that the AI took a long time to complete, so I figured it would be smart and know how and what to do. But they programmed it to act like an actual animal. And I started my playthrough with the mindset that I would try to experience the game as a journey betweem me and trico. I petted him more, took care to remove the bloodstains after every battle, found a lot more barrels and payed more attention to the scenery. And that made me love the game. Trico becomes more obedient if you feed him more barrels and spend more time with him. And there's this part between the middle and end of the game, where trico gets hurt. Badly. He can hardly move his head, and you need to find him barrels to make him better again. I found a few, and placed them in front of him. And he missed it about 7 times. In my first playthrough, that annoyed me (it was supposed to be a good AI, wasn't it?) but the second time, I realized what I had to do. One time, my dog got really sick and she could hardly move. I had to feed her manually by putting the food and drink in her mouth. So I did that with trico (stood in front of him with a barrel in my hands). And he ate it on the 2nd try. Same with the other barrels I found there. You need to treat him as an actual helpless animal that you care for, to understand the mechanics of the game. The AI wasn't fucking up, Trico was just to weak and we had to take care of him the way we would take care of a sick animal. He doesn't always listen either, just like an animal. But feed him and pet him more, and he'll start to listen 90% of the time. It also makes the ending that much more significant. It's easy to bash the game because of mechanics that you might just not get yet. (But as I said, the controls are pretty bad). If you like an eploration-driven game and have plenty of time to spend just exploring and caring for another being, than this game is for you. It's about the time you spend with him, and the AI will reflect that. Another point of criticism I frequently see is that the AI is inconsistent between cutscenes and gameplay. But isn't that because during gameplay, there's hardly a tense and timed moment (except battles)? In cutscenes, pillars fall down and bridges collaps. Trico will try to save itself and you as soon as possible, and will jump and leap much quicker than during gameplay. Maybe that's because there's actual danger? During much ot the game, it's exploration that's the most important part. And you need time to do that. So trico will be more relaxed as well and won't react in 0.0005 seconds. The last part is just my observations, but overal I would rate this game a good 8.5/10 (even with the bad controls)
Sounds about right.
I finished the game a few days ago, and I loved it. I had become totally invested in the relationship between the unnamed boy and Trico, despite knowing the whole time that there was sure to be something at the end to destroy that relationship.
The main issue people have with the game is the controls and the way you command Trico, and I understand that, but I didn't actually experience a lot of frustration while playing.
Nerdcubed said in his video on The Last Guardian that it seemed that people who play a lot of video games didn't like the game, because they were trying to reach the goal rather than bond with Trico, explore the nest, etc. The trick is to be patient and understanding. You can't get Trico to do whatever the hell you want all the time not because the game is broken, but because Trico is like a real animal. Sometimes they will ignore you, sometimes walk in circles, sometimes do what you ask, sometimes they know what to do before you do. As soon as you figure that out the more enjoyment you get out of the game in my opinion.
That last paragraph is basically me. Can't bond with a lump of pixels, no matter how creative its design is or how "life like" it is. Without the emotional investment, the game just doesn't work.
So nice to see a level head in the comments. Honestly, I think those that really hate it are the same people that bitched about Agro's AI in Shadow of the Colossus.
Gasoline Baby
like Hey you, pikachu?
The only problem I had was the camera.
So, 9/10?
IGN would like to see your resume
Yeah; I'd be good at accepting bribes to lie.
Michael Pierce Brilliant.
More like 9/11.
From the hour I've watched of my roommate play it it should be a 0. The dog is unresponsive as hell and the game took 9 years.
You guys do realize they built Aggro to feel like a real animal as well. Sometimes he took his sweet time to get the player or doesn't speed up as fast consistently.
But there was one thing with Aggro, he was just one mechanic, you still had your own movement, your own climbing, your own weapon.
Trico (or Torico depending on localization) is your main weapon, mode of transportation, and main climbing tool in many instances) Thats why the argument of "He's supposed to animal" doesnt hold up IMO
BaneDain Well
Just like your previous furry companion then, it's built up from the ground to be something to get attached to
I love Trico, incredibly so, it was the main focus of the game and I believe they succeeded greatly with this. He acts like an animal, his model looks great with the feathers being seperare models from both Trico's model and the other feathers, and I just really love the way it moves and acts
BaneDain i dont agree i think he moves as realistically as Aggro did
He is supposed to be your swiss army knife yes, but the animal mechanic was more about the bonding experience and ueda experimenting with new game mechanics as well as building up to the ending. Its a video game, yes, but its a 'game' akin to the allegory of the cave, a scenario you are put in to explore a different headspace about yourself and the environment you are in.
The last guardian was referring to the last thing you do in the game that i wont spoil.
Loved many, many things about this game, though even I'll admit the camera was damn wack and the kid's movement (tiptoe to OUTRIGHT SPRINT WITH NO IN-BETWEEN) really needed work.
Didn't *actually* have that many problems with Trico. Just giving ONE command then waiting a bit did the trick in 98% of cases (I also had that experience of him jumping to the wrong platform twice). Spam-spam-spamming commands made Trico freeze up like Windows ME - the key is giving *isolated* commands and yes, having a bit of patience.
Glad I played it though, quite an experience - Trico is generally amazing to watch and when the game is good, it's REALLY good.
I was pondering last night how Yahtzee would portray Trico in the ZP style. Not disappointed, haha.
Funny, still a master piece of a game. You'll play to the end, with a sense of a real creature not a dumb robot. It's all by design.
Bad design is still bad design, intentional or not.
I hate all of you Except it's not that bad.
Nana Stores Actually it is. Maybe not to you, but SURE AS HELL TO ME.
Yeah I didn't have nearly as many if any the amount of issues getting seems to have. Trico worked fine with me, the controls could've been smoother but hey I can deal. Camera is pretty spastic though I'll admit. The only issues I had were due to my own damn incompetence. And the game not really explaining some things. I can forgive that last part. That's not the first time a games not told me of useful stuff I can do.
"It's meant to be bad, guys."
"I see your point, Joseph Mengele." I'm dying.
It's like a romance between Shenmue and his forklift. Imagine that! The classic, timeless romance between a cold, heartless, piece of machinery and a forklift. 🤣🤣🤣
Question.... do people get this angry at your pet? you may get frustrated when it doesn't listen to you while training it, but you grit your teeth and forget about it when it does something cute, fetches something for you, or purrs by your leg. When it finally gets it you praise it and you feel pride in yourself for finally getting it to do something and in it for learning something (regardless of its usefulness).
I wont say the ai is perfect, but its supposed to represent the mentality of an animal, which I think is done pretty well. Of course it isn't going to listen to you 100% of the time. Its going to take time and effort for the creature to get what you are trying to get it to do and why it should do it.
"But I don't care about that! Its a videogame and it should do everything I tell it to regardless of everything else," is, in my opinion, a perfectly valid argument for not liking the game.... but to me its more about what that interaction represents than what others want in its pacing.
Now before you get your nickers in a twist, remember that what I'm saying is just an opinion... Everyone has one and no one's opinion is more valid than any other. All I'm trying to do is explain it.
Having played and beaten this game I can agree that this is 100% true. I was laughing so hard at all the true points he made about this game. My friend and I were taking turns on shareplay for each death, and sometimes it was so dumb the things that would lead to our inevitable death. One time, completely unrelated, I was jumping towards him while he was walking to the ledge and for some reason, instead of grabbing him, the boy got flung in the opposite direction like he had just jumped against a trampoline. As entertaining as that was, we could not reproduce it however.
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The reason he can be kinda wonky with commands is because his AI actually runs on a secret "trust bar" and that fueled by you taking care of him (wiping blood off, in ruffling feathers, feeding barrels, petting in general, riding his back more often, etc), and he actually becomes very dependable if you make sure to keep that up. If you put effort into actually being there for him, he'll put effort into being there for you, and there's nobody but you to blame if he won't listen.
Well why didn't the game tell us about that then? Even so, it's still annoying.
Because it should've been obvious. They've been advertising this as a pet sim since the first trailer nine years ago.
If that's even remotely true (Which I highly doubt consider I did all that constantly and he was still a hassle) Hiding it sounds like one of the dumbest decisions a game developer could do.
Because it means his misdirection can easily be mistaken for broken AI AND it would deliberately leave a sour taste in a lot of gamers mouths. Thus they would tell their friends that the game is bad.
That doesnt exist the ai Is awful all the time Is in random mode besides if i want a PET simulator then o buy a PET simulator
ITS
A
FUCKING
GAME
The player shouldnt be expected to do random shit in order to progress without even a hint of direction from the game.
the more u look at his depiction of Trico, the funnier it gets.
I'm kind of hoping he will review WWE 2k17 just because it would likely be a piss take review
lol I actually really enjoyed the last guardian
Yes I did. I liked Trico too. I guess I enjoyed the game more since I'm a patient guy lol
Apparently there's no such thing as patience these days. I loved Agro in Shadow of the Colossus and when I understood what The Last Guardian was going to be about, I figured it'd essentially be like magnifying Agro's presence but making it better. I loved The Last Guardian.
Same
Starkren Yeah personally I felt that Last Guardian was supposed to be a merger between Ico and SotC, where instead of killing the Colossi and manipulating their AI behaviour in order to kill them, now you have just one Colossus that is your platforming partner
@@starkren2586 I'm not saying Yahtzee is the most patient man in the world. But he makes an obvious good point. It isn't really fun or fair when the game does not work consistently. Which for me is why this game is so frustrating.
Not that it matters, but I've beaten Sekiro and all the Dark souls games. So if that isn't an exercise in patience I dont know what is. That is a game where everything runs out consistently and is fair.
However in this game, I've had to do things over and over again many times. Just because there is no consistency in the dog things mind. Somehow I got more frustrated with this game then any from software game.
I think it's weird how often I hear complaints about him not listening... There were time where i couldn't figure out what to do and Trico would move in a certain direction or have some sort of action that helped me figure out where to go. Sometimes he wouldn't listen but most the time he helped me out a lot. This might sound stupid but maybe animal people have an easier time with Trico.
He also always body actions that gave good indications of how he was doing or where his mind was. I really had no issues with him.
Hell, people who understood the game was a pet simulator/puzzle game (IE: the majority of Last Guardian players) know exactly how you feel. Trico was an amazing work of AI. Hell, I had fun just learning all the little things he was able to do.
Jordan Hulett no. Trico is point blank and simple shitty ai. If your ai is programmed to not work a certain amount of time, and it doesn't work like 60% of the time. It's terrible. I've watched multiple let's plays where people have frustrated with him. It has nothing to do with being an animal person. Do you mean being patient and waiting an hour for him to walk through a fucking door? So people are forced to spam commands and then the ai freaks out and doesn't know what to do so then you command it again and then maybe half the time it works. It's just awful.
Griffin Patrick
Have you played the game or only watched let's plays? As I said before I have never had trouble with him. I've never have had to wait for him to walk through a door as I stated he has helped me out in some areas more than any most ai In any game. Infact from my experience Trico is the less frustrating part of this game, the controls and camera are definitely what make this game frustrating. I have had no trouble with Trico himself
the only footage I've seen of him not listening is when people repeatedly spammed the command, forcing him to stop and re-listen again and again and obviously that meant he didn't really do anything except to listen to the character yell comand after comand without him ever having the time to actually *act* and follow said commands
also, as for him not listening being a bad choice; it's been explained that he listens less at the beginning and more later on, especially concerning how you interact with him. which is great and immersive - you hate the animal and only yell at it to do things, it won't like you and behave well. you take time to bond with it, it will be attentive and try to help you as much as it can (and you will have an easier time reading it).
and regarding those cues - since I've now heard quite a few people say that it *did* give cues, I'm kind of forced to believe that the people who claim it doesn't simply don't see them/take the time to see them/don't even care about them anymore. after all, if enough people are able to work with the AI from the very same game, then it doesn't seem to be the AIs fault if others have problems with it.
"a challenge isnt fair if the elements don't act consistently" - yahtzee has NEVER trained a dog.
Vincent Buscarello it actually accurately depicts working with a griffin dog cat creature. I don't get any of the complaints that it should be a perfect robot. That would be boring as fuck. It's clearly all by design. Still the most realistic creature you'll ever see in a game. Genius. Not for dumb people who can't appreciate these puzzle art games that require patience. It's clearly not a Mario sonic cod game.
@Hanniffy Dinn Having clear indication on whether or not the game even registered the player input would be useful. Currently it's impossible do tell whether Trico doesn't understand you or if the game just isn't working properly.
+2epic4uNubs That's actually not true, if Trico doesn't show ANY reaction at all, it's because it didn't even hear your command, so you gotta scold it or pet it to pay attention to you. If it tilts it's head, that means that it doesn't understand your command, so you should show him what you mean from a different position. If it whimpers, it means that it doesn't have enough space to obey, so you can make it reposition itself better.
BlackLynx4607a I stand corrected, and would also like to add that I've never had a pet so I can't really pick up on animals' visual cues.
Yahtzee's never played the game either apparently. This felt like a compilation of complaints he's read online followed by a let's play he's watched. Trico was overall pretty consistent. I ran into one thing early on where he got confused as to which ledge I was pointing at, and even then he was clearly trying to do what I said.
I've got to disagree with Yahtzee on this one. This game is a masterpiece. Easily the best game of the year!
You do realise how utterly pointless your comment is if you don't provide any context. Explain yourself please, Why did you like it and why didn't the criticisms Yahtzee made matter to you?
2epic4uNubs yatzhee mad cuz bad
UnkeptMoss328 So you are to ignore the design flaws outlined in the video?
mad. cuz bad.
I'm sorry, but I gotta agree- this game feels SO outdated and damn near unplayable.
I'm am with Jim Sterling (formerly of the Escapist fame) that the monster following you is getting to much of a pass because his behavior is animalistic. Sure you can interpret it that way but this is a fantasy animal and one with a lot of intelligence apparently so regular rules should not be applied. Other than that the monster give no visual or verbal cues that distinguish between programmed disobedience or bad programming. And being the cynical fuck I am, I am prone to believe Team ICO shit all over its controls just like they shit over the boy's.
Even if I am wrong and the behavior is intentional that does not make it better. That is just artificial difficulty by screwing with the player. If the puzzle calls for the monster to catch you then you should be caught 100% of the time if you have completed the puzzle correctly. The randomness is detrimental to the game which this has to be ultimately has to be scored as. As art it is beautiful, as a game the mechanics and AI are late PS2 and leave A LOT to be deserved.
The only person you can blame for falling to your death is you. Not Trico's fault you weren't paying attention.
For me personally, the people defending the horrendous AI in this game are complete cretins.
Count Cocofang Well it depends on who you ask. I defend it because I didn't have many problems at all. Once or twice Trico ran back down a thing. But it didn't take a minute or two to get back up.
And to me the people with shallow criticisms of the AI are complete idiots who don't have enough patience to microwave a hot pocket.
Charlie Brown Well that's your opinion. Which is wrong. And to the inevitable ,"Opinions can't be wrong.", the earth is a globe. Flat Earthers are wrong.
bestpsychosean hasnolastname
Urm no since its not an opinion. Its clear that players who seek to finish quickly and try to directly control Trico end up frustrated, when those that understand the concept of the game (which is displayed via the first 15 mins of gameplay) have a more enjoyable time.
Not Cretins, just sony fanboys...
So, the problem with the portrayal of Trico, the wild animal, was that he behaved like a wild animal.....
It's a little frustrating, but it is still a good game.
That said.
When you hear of some games that were finally released after years in development hell, you hear how they were made and remade through different hardware cycles, Duke 4eva 4 example.
But The Last Guardian feels like every bit of that early PS3 game is in there, in the code, somewhere, and the lingering fingerprints of all too few people who worked on it remain, meaning that things like the camera feel like something from 2005.
But it does, at least, not feel like it is constantly handholding you throughout.
Play an Arkham game or Uncharted the murder simulator and, for much of the action you are barely controlling the character onscreen, at least in The Last Guardian that fuckup filter is switched off and as you climb a ledge or swing on a rope you have control and it needs skill to complete some tasks, so that is a startlingly good thing, at least in my opinion.
Yorda > Wander's Horse > Trico
*AGRO*
I think Agro, in terms of AI that's actually helpful, is better. Because she actually AVOIDS danger and WON'T jump off a cliff because you don't know how to steer.
Not so much helpful when he needs to catch you and all he does is blankly stare at you as you fall to your death.
*"Trico is Better than both combined."*
Dumbass
I both agree and disagree with most of the comments. I'm one of the few that loved the game and saw Trico's actions as beautifully crafted realism. No it wasn't quick by any means, but most times he'd be examining the situation and thinking on what it should do.
HOWEVER. I am not denying there weren't any bugs. But there are oversights to those who are impatient and wanted an experience from this game they were never going to get. The camera is just bad and awful. The jumping mechanics as well. Two important things that were very broken. I played through the game 3 times, each time got progressively quicker as I learned 90% of the time Trico was directly not listening to me its because I was doing the wrong thing. It was very rare he'd just not listen and walk off when I was aiming him in the direction he needed to go.
Trico's mechanics felt like a natural progression of starting out with a stranger, growing trust and slowly solving puzzles on his own and him figuring out where to go. Once again
I've nearly completed this and I'm loving it.
I've only got angry at Trico twice.
If you go into it like it's a PS2 game you can forgive it's major flaws.
The sheer lack of people acknowledging the bit with Josef Mengele questioning Yahtzee is frightening me. Somebody tell me that actually happened and wasn't a mescaline-mixed-with-vodka-induced hallucination
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Oh wait nevermind. XD
The King of the Penguins
It's funny because of how downplayed it is. It just seemed natural for Josef Mengele to be asking that sort of thing until I thought about it.
Josef Mengele was never brought up in the video.
Well, we do still have Beyond Good and Evil 2. That was just re-announced to be in development again.
1:17 Funny thing is he *does* make a VR game.
I'm curious. How many people DIDN'T have trouble with Trico?
The only time he didn't follow a command quickly and accurately was while climbing a circular tower, and I wasn't pointing at the right spot. Took me three minutes to get him to jump. I didn't shit my pants over it or quit. People either have no patience, or no damn clue what buttons they're actually pressing.
Apart from the camera problems I really loved the game
This my favourite Zero Punctuation so far, utter perfection. Which is quite the opposite of this frustrating and depressing game.
Haha he spent like 2 and a half seconds on the powerful ending. That's how redeeming it was for him.
This game was totally worth the wait
Now I'm practically on the floor after the "catch me, catch me!" bit - funniest thing I've seen in ages!!!
I think I already got all the fun I could get from the game with this video.
Thanks :)
"The name Shadow of the colossus doesn't mean anything" ... Did you even finish the game?
Considering that he did a review of it years ago and that it's one of his favorite games, I'd say yes.
yahtzzee has reviever amnesia
I don't think the title was really referring to that though tbh
if you go back to his review of demon soles. , he hated it because for the same reasons he says to lave dark soles
leroy shane its how yahtzee called the game after completly bashing it
I think this game and Firewatch were two innovative games that pushed the envelope of modern gaming, and are largely misunderstood for it. They were games that wanted to be an 'interactive fantasy', and were titles that never had a chance at satisfying gamers that wanted a "It does what you want it to" game that is all about you. Firewatch and Last Guardian were perhaps, created by creators who had too much of an idea of what they wanted to make. They beautifully delivered what the creator imagined but they were games that unapologetically refused to be what gamers expect games to be about.
This episode had me dying 😂
Anyone else subscribe to this channel only for ZP? Everything else can bugger off but this is amazing.
everybody does
Definitely the most divisive game of the year. Nerd3 and many commenters seem to think it's the game of the year, others seem to hate the control scheme. Not sure wether to get it.
If you're patient enough with the controls and take the time to take care of Trico i.e. pulling out spears, petting him, feeding him whenever you can, etc. then I'd say to give it a look.
From my experience, there's players who get their kick strictly out of solid, tight gameplay and then there's those who get a lot out of storytelling and atmosphere and whatnot (and everything in between, I suppose). A game that sits firmly at one end of the spectrum (or close to it, anyway) is gonna get a lot of hate from one camp and nothing but love from the other.
If you're the kind of guy who likes to play Counterstrike or DOTA for six hours straight, it's probably not a game you'll enjoy.
I've played it and I absolutely adored it. It's worth buying. Play it for yourself and come up with your own opinion.
I wanted the last guardian to be shit. I have a stigma against game that went through development hell (see Duke Nukem Forever) and just had a self-fulfilling prophesy that all games that take too long will just be a complete disaster. Also I hate that bird-cat-dog-thing for no reason.
Shadow of the colossus referred to the darkness that they held inside them that inhabited you after you slayed them.
It doesn't mean anything. The original Japanese title would've translated to Wander and the Giant Statues, but that sounds like shit in English so they chose a new name.
Titles are ooen to interpretation.
I don't know what at it is about these videos, but it always has me laughing from start to finish every time. I think on some levels I think almost the same thing on some games I've played.
Odd how Yathzee ends the year with this and not Dead Rising 4
The ZombieMan It's a zombie game. We all know what he'll say about it :L
Paul Aitcheson Yeah but he liked Dead Rising 2
I got frustrated sometimes, but I eventually made a system for dealing with stuff: wait for Trico to twitch his glowy-eyed head before tossing barrels, try to only yell commands when we're looking in the same direction, basically just yell "jump" if Trico isn't doing anything and he'll usually figure it out himself, don't yell commands when he's already jumping up series of platforms or he'll get confused/start jumping down, stay on his back/neck and not his leg/head for less of a chance of being bucked off, and immediately jump onto Trico's back when soldiers show up (when possible).
So as of now how many video games are there now that are stuck in development hell that people like to joke will never be released?
Half-Life 3 obviously. But what else.
Beyond Good and Evil 2
Cyberpunk 2077
shadowspider9 I'm personally eagerly anticipating STALKER 2
Sam x
Wasn't that game cancelled?
shadowspider9 That was the joke, but I'm sure we'll see it some day... Eventually...
I don't know why, but this was the video I laughed at the most. It all started at around the time he started talking about the photo - shop beast catching him in its mouth.
So a dog training simulator?
Trico pissed in Yahtzee's cheerios I see XD still love the game, just remember to issue one command at a time and you'll be fine
I've heard it's extremely frustrating.
Narcissism Incarnate it requires patience. I personally loved the game because it felt like I was training a dog, and I love animals. it can get frustrating on occasion, but so could Dark Souls abs that's about as good as games get. That being said, this is probably not everyone's bag, so I understand if people didn't like it.
I hate animals. So it looks like this isn't the game for me.
so its like a pet simulator with some extra junk?
The Japanese titles were more straightforward... (Wander and the Colossus, Trico the Great Man-Eating Eagle)
I'm conflicted. On one hand, a lot of people are saying the monster AI is bad. On the other, this debacle makes me remember people bitching about the the pawn AI in dragon's dogma too, and I know for a fact that the problem was with the players, not the game on that case.
Who do I believe?
You know, Titanfall 2 had a better more empathetic giant not-boy companion.
I MISS YOU BT
As frustrating as the dog,bird,goat is. I can't say they did wrong. It really does act like an animal. If it did telepathically know exactly what you wanted and performed every action flawlessly, you'd be bitch in about how no moose,cow,cat thing should be that overly responsive. Yes, it's frustrating, but that's part of the game in my opinion. Glitches on the other hand are a different story.
Olaf Von Hambergler I didn't play, but people are complaining that it was _too_ unresponsive, not to even speak of the fact that he game doesn't tell you that you need to get the dog to trust you. It shouldn't take more than 5 minutes just to get somewhere just because a fictional animal decided not to help you, realistic or not.
Ned Innis I played the game and you nailed it right there!
There's a fine line between immersion and enjoyment. If it's too challenging, the player becomes frustrated, and if it's too simple, the player becomes bored. It sounds like this game missed that sweetspot between challenge and simplicity that we call "flow", which is where games are most fun.
I've beaten the game and this happened in just two places where I've seen others get through just fine. 1-3 button presses got the action I needed on every other puzzle. Only one of the numerous chain jumping segments did I have trico backtrack when I asked it to jump forward. For trico it really is a lack of patience from the general audience being blown out of proportion by overreacting video's like dunky. I see his video mentioned in every stream.
On a whole I found the controls of the boy to be more annoying and ruining intense moments. Difficulties going from trico's limp to his side when he's curled up or sitting. He slides past switches every other time and I found his diving controls to be very slow.
If it ever gets polished and fixed to a smooth experience then it's can be accepted as a good game. As it is now what it's got to offer is besmirched by the few slights in the controls and public opinion.
Nobody would bitch about a working game. Nobody. Ever. In any reality you can think of.
Saw that joke at the end coming a mile away and still blew my sides off laughing.
Oh come now, Yahtzee, Trico actually did respond consistently. The only thing he didn't do all the time on my first playthrough was successfully catch a barrel early in the game, and even that ramped up to a 95% chance later on. Figuring out what he responds to, how he responds to it, and the value of praising his successful actions is all an element of the game. This isn't even pretending a bug is a feature. The game has always been advertised as a partial pet simulator, and Trico's every action falls under that category.
Hell, I would've been disappointed if he did catch barrels every time. The successes wouldn't have been satisfying at the end of the day.
I dunno if I just lucked out or the game was patched or something, but I didn't have any of these frustrations really. Trico did what I commanded him to pretty much every time, and I think the only frustration I had was the speed at which he does it - sometimes he is a bit slow to respond, but otherwise he will do what you tell him to. I find it's best to only ride Trico and command him when you MUST - i.e. you can only progress with him taking flying leaps to new ledges. If you want him to walk to the next room or turn around etc, best to just get off and walk there yourself and he will follow. He never missed catching me either, so again, dunno if I was just lucky or what...
I find a lot of reviews harp on about the "frustration" so I find that really unfortunate and a bit annoying actually, because that's not my experience at all. Oh well.
Edit: I agree about the barrel thing though, it was a bit hit and miss on whether he caught them. I found it helped (or maybe it was just a coincidence?) to hold the throw button rather than just tap it when you want him to catch it.
When Guts from Berserk got on the boat this game was announced.
The family dog passive aggressively protesting about how much Christmas dinner is going into you and not him. Fucking hell where do come up with this?
A 9-year wait? You talking about Owlboy, Yahtzee?
got this game on Christmas and have beat it twice now, i love it
No new episode on the escapist site?
Daxter wait for a hour I guess. Probably the Top 5 episode.
Ritwik Sharma yeah thats what I tough. The only thing I know for sure is that DOOM is obviously gonna be on the best games list
+Daxter didn't he say in this episode's last panels in the website that he's skipping this week
Guys, I think this week is his holiday break. He said so in the credits of this video on the escapist. You know, those credits that they don't show here on youtube for some reason.
+Daxter It's probably going to be the same as Jim Sterling's list just with Dishonored 2 instead of Pony Island.
The cutout glued together is hilarious, but I'm pretty sure the Master of the Valley is The Last Guardian, however your complaints and the general complaints by most are just shitty. You didn't wait for him to acknowledge the barrel before tossing it, so he misses it, I too randomly throw things at my dog's head while he's turned away and expect fucking what? A Terminator-like snap reaction followed by DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN? I too jump from a fucking ledge expecting to be caught by unprepared people/cat-dog-birds, I too can't fucking tilt the camera DOWN while pointing where to go in my vain attempt to direct someone where to dive.
Here's the problem, people are playing it like a game, and it's a lot closer to real than it should be, and real is telling your dog where to go and your dog guessing because it doesn't speak English, and if you don't point in the right direction it looks at you like "the fuck?" and when you chuck food at it with no warning it gets hit in the face(see hilarious youtube montages, all five billion of them) and even gets hit in the face when you do give it warning(see hilarious youtube montages, all five billion of them).
I never had these dumb problems, it's not Call of Duty, expecting slick, mechanical reactions and game systems from this is really like expecting Gone Home to have gameplay(or anything worth the time), it's really the wrong approach.
So many reviewers banging the square peg against the round hole screaming "WHY ISN'T THIS HOLE ROUND?"
I DUNNO! WHY ARE YOU ALLOWED TO REVIEW GAMES?
This game is for patient players. Trico follow your commands alright if you are not spamming them like an impatient blockhead. Also game would've come out in 2012, if the ps3 hardware weren't as weak as it was. Most of the code was written in previous decade. It's a relic stucked in developement hell because of hardware constraints, sadly. I'm sorry for people who haven't tried the game for themselves to have their own opinion.
It's still Fumito Ueda's weakest game though.
I had a hard time getting Trico to dive into the pool too. But Trico is a very appealing character.
The game literally rips off Ico (the better game btw) by replacing the girl with a dog. Ico also requires patience too, and Yahtzee clearly likes that game. The Last Guardian just focuses on graphics rather than good A.I. It's an objective fact.
Clearly you didn't notice the excellent coding that went into Trico.
Dystopia
Saying that this is Ueda's weakest game is like saying "Out of Kratos, Batman and The Rock, The Rock is the weakest man."
It may be true but I wouldn't want to start a fight with him.
Wait, Yahtzee didn't mention a thing about the mirror-shield or lightning-tail. I found those the most interesting gameplay aspects of them all.
and yet jacksepticeye had rare/no moments you had, i think your game was screwing up, also it's hard to control since they made trico like a living thing, would you follow every order givin?
Leostar I've seen 3 videos of people playing this shit stain game, all with the same issues as described in this vid
Wowie, a single person had no issues? Clearly it means everyone else who's said they have are now wrong, simply because of that singular person.
Jacksepticeye encountered many of these issues in his play through. He just didn't complain as much cause that's what he was expecting. No the thing he complained about was the shitty camera and wonky controls.
Because realism totally makes things more fun.
No. I was being sarcastic. Fuck you.
A Dark Shade of Green except it can, minecraft,don't starve,no man's sky(yes, i've played it and liked it) the only thing that isn't realistic, the kid never needs to eat or drink himself
I can really understand why people get so frustrated with Trico. I completely understand, I yelled a few times. But, looking back, I see that the reason why why Trico wouldn't follow my instructions was because it was the wrong path to follow. If you pay attention to Trico's behavior, there are certain animations she/he initiates when you input the right command. If you are patient and wait a little bit and don't spam command inputs, its pretty clear when you've made the right decision. Trico can be just as confused as you are. You are the pilot. You expect Trico to have all of the answers? The big thing for me is that; aside from platforms with glowing characters; puzzles are incredibly nonspecific and offer little to no hints. Sometimes framing is a key factor, but a lot of the time puzzles are trial and error. In my first playthrough, I thought that grass was a key guide for platform puzzles. After a little while I realized that, well, grass is everywhere, as it should be. The game and its puzzles felt very "natural," oh, and I guess Trico too (very natural). Also there were a lot of mechanics that were lightly hinted at and used maybe once or twice. A big one for me was being able to drag Trico's tail. There is one instance I can recall that being a relevant tactic, and not once did the game run the player through a tutorial. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, certainly frustrating, but also incredibly intuitive and open. You have to experiment and explore. It's so very ironic seeing as this is a linear game, yet it still holds so much freedom and mystery. The Last Guardian asks a lot of questions. Is frustration the result of bad game design? Or a key factor at times? How much or how little can you give a player, in terms of hints, before a game becomes too easy or too difficult?
I am most certainly biased though, I knew I would love this game from the very beginning. The concept alone was enough to keep me enticed for a whole decade. I must remind people that games are an art form. Art is interpretive. There is nothing wrong in hating or loving a game, and both are good responses.