The delays in Elden Ring threw me off so much and definitely was the hardest thing to adapt to, but I never felt it was a guessing game once you learned their moves. While I'm inclined to just say "get good" and move on, I keep seeing people complain about this. I've always felt this change adds a new level to learning boss move sets because you can't just dodge roll spam the second you see movement. Curious to hear what others think though
Some of the delays and animation cancels are a bit obnoxious (Margit and Morgott come to mind), but for the most part, I do agree that it does add a new level to adapt to.
I am definitely in that camp. The problem for me is not that you have to relearn per se, but that it feels unnatural and calculated. The instaspamming and delayed attacks could work if they were a little less frequent, but compared to the boss perfection of some of the other games, this just not right to me. You can sort of notice a tendency towards this in DS3 with Gael and the twin princes, but they never go over the edge there IMHO. I think the earlier bosses like Godrick and Margit are probably the best from a pure mechanical perspective. I also hink they missed a little with the reused bosses and the system with the spirit summoning system. To me if you summon a helper the game gets extremely easy and takes all the fun away, but if not some bosses border on a little bit too challenging. I hope that they dial down the ten hit combos and delayed attacks just a hair in future games. I want more bosses like Friede, Isshin, Nameless King, Artorias in future games.
To me it’s just annoying when a boss can use one startup but have two different timings for when they start their attacks, or have different follow up combos starting from the same attack chain. It would be fine in a game like sekiro or bloodborne which is a lot more fast paced, but with the rolling style of DS3 with slight input delay (the rolling starting at button release, not press) which is a lot less forgiving, its kinda annoying
@@CoreyisBarackObama I'm convinced that Margit/Morgott are intentionally more susceptible to the attack delays. Margit is widely considered the "noob filter" as the first (real) boss of the game, and Morgott is the filter to the endgame. If you haven't gotten to the point of being able to react to their delays at that point, you aren't ready for what's to come. In this vein, I see Ornstein & Smough in the same light.
People hate it when people say get good. Im new to these type of games and do not get offended by this at all. It is literally what you have to do, get good, learn the game and beat the challenge. I've brought all there other games to play through and can't wait. I'm in my last playthrough of elden Ring to get last achievement. It's been the best game I've played. I was so impressed by the boss design, I thought fire giant is the hardest for me.
What bugged me the most with elden ring was the attacking window when facing the bosses. You either have the chance to land a single hit because the boss decided to do a 20 combo piece forcing you to dodge for 1 minute straight and leave you with the stamina for 1 attack, or, when there is an oppening for attack, attack once instead of twice because by the moment you go for the second attack the boss is way faster dropping you on your knees.
and people say Dark Souls series are harder than ER. I never experienced in my life to dodge a 15hit combo just to land a fucking poke then proceed to dodge and wait again.
This is largely cause of the ash summons. They balanced the game around you using them. Like I said in my own post though, use them and most of the bosses become a joke, or don't use them and your constantly dodging.
You say that but it's because you don't know the bosses very well. There are often times where people have many chances to hit a boss mid combo but don't out of fear of being hit.
@@nomongosinthaworld It took me 3 days to get past Guardian Ape and 2 weeks to beat Isshin. Isshin was the one that really made me learn the game, it was so satisfying to fight him I got the boss rush mod just to keep fighting him time and time again
I agree with you On Demon Soul's losing 50% health and then having to worry about world tendency with phantoms was tough, DS1 yeah going back to that game certainly felt slower especially after playing Bloodborne and Sekiro, DS2 don't even get me started on the enemy placement, SOTFS Iron Keep was utter hell with Alone knights everywhere, Bloodborne although the world design was tough and forbidden woods can sometimes be confusing, I found that farming blood gems was even harder than anything, DS3 most areas are easy but my god those bosses are insane 3 phase boss fights like Sister Friede and Slave Knight Gael were really something else and Demon Princes, Twin Princes both gave me a hard time (Never found Midir to be to hard) Sekiro I still find the combat tough the deflection and breaking enemy stance with timed blocks and attacks is certainly a learning curve, then finally Elden Ring I personally from my experience found the stun locks and wombo combos *cough cough* (Waterfowl dance) and more attacks from certain other bosses to be pretty intense, another example Godfrey's crazy stomps.
also add the fact that Malenia violates that core principle of Animation commitment that the player and other elden ring bosses, iirc she is the only boss that can animation cancel HER OWN STAGGER animation so that she can either block or dodge your incoming attacks
Midir is how you know you got a good fundamental grasp on souls combat, it's spacing midir moves around when he attacks so mastering his movement will give you the opportunity to attack him and avoid him.
The Demon Soul's health loss isn't actually that bad it's just a fault of the game on how they present it. If they presented it like a Dark Souls 3 situation of having your Soul form health be the true health and the Body form health be as a buff, it would have eased a lot of players minds. Yet since it starts with the Body form health, and the fact that you constantly see the missing health the entire time you're in Spirit form, makes it look like you're horribly impaired.
My two cents about what makes Bloodborne so difficult is that enemies do double damage to you if they hit you during an action like rolling, jumping, running and attacking. Bloodborne encourages you to play aggressively but punishes you severely if you get greedy and careless with your aggression. Edit: It was mentioned later in the video, making my comment irrelevant XD
Yep this is actually the main reason why I think most people hate Laurence. He already hits hard but add the double damage, small arena and the fact he has a fire damage effect after every hit, it means he can more easily and often proc that double damage and take out people very quickly.
It's a really cool mechanic in the context of that game. While dodging is more powerful than it's ever been in the series, the added risk of getting counter hit leads to many intense encounters.
should do better titles next time maybe idk... oh the title of ur next video could be "the hardest part about coming up with titles for videos that aren't click bait"
In my opinion Sekiro has the most satisfying combat in any game I’ve ever played outside of Monster Hunter. I hope fromsoft makes another game like that.
@@purefoldnz3070 Ghost of Tsushima has a good story and directing, but Sekiro trounces it in every other way imo. GOT has very bland combat and gameplay. I had similar issues with the Witcher. Great story and directing, terrible combat and gameplay.
I think Elden Ring has kind of encouraged me to be patient and confident in fights, especially boss fights. The slightly-delayed-feeling timing rewards me paying attention to the bosses and having the confidence to dodge roll based on knowing their moves rather than rewarding my twitch reactions or panic rolling. I find it very fun personally and it takes experiences similar to ones like dancer of the boreal valley from ds3 and repeats it in a satisfying way.
Agreed, the late portion of this game forced me to really work on my panic rolling habit. Also, a lot of the really slow attacks in combos can just be straight up punished and then dodged safely, raising the skill ceiling even higher
I would say what makes DS3 hard isn't the bosses, it's the fact that many normal enemies are fast as fuck and have way more mobility than you do. Lothric Knights, Grave Wardens, the dogs, Crucified lycanthropes, the Corvians, the bigger dogs, the Corvian Knights, Pontiff Knights, I could go on. That and many areas will cram these fast as fuck enemies together in groups so you will regularly get ganked by them.
it depends. neve had real trouble with dogs even in ds3. my playstyle in the ds trilogy has always been sword and board. so just locking on to the dogs and holding my shield up makes it a cake walk.
Watch out the youtuber is gonna complains about ds2 ganks again! Ds3 enemy placement sucks since you almost always have to take on 2+ enemies at the same time but this youtubers has such a heavy bias towards ds3 that he doesnt notice it, meanwhile he shits on ds2 enemies that almost always come one at the time but he keeps rushing in every single fucking clip he uses for that game
DS1, then looked at DS2, got stomped because I didn't realize what the champion's covenant did plus the gameplay felt bad, so went on to DS3, felt at home, loved it, back to DS2 again as I found out about that covenant... Played a bunch, hated it, moved on to bloodborne, then sekiro, then elden ring. I'm really torn and can't say what I like the most... DS3, BB and Sekiro... Elden Ring then DS1 then DS2 (if I really have to mention it... I'd rather forget about it). DS3 I loved the Boss battles. BB overall style and gameplay and Sekiro (once I fixed input lag and started to be able to parry) gameplay and my god is that one gorgeous game. I'm still hoping Demon's Souls will come to PC one day, as I don't see me buying a PS5 at all and I don't want to play the PS3 Version through PS Now.
I found I was able to deal with the delayed attacks in Elden Ring. However, the attack chains of many bosses were the hardest part for me, especially the relentless nature of the majority of the bosses. Sometimes it was fun, many times it was bullshit that your enemies don’t have to worry about stamina the way you have to.
@@Bill_9999 second phase of Malenia and the fallingstar beasts stick out as examples of this. Also the second phase of Mohg, but that mostly has to deal with trying to balance the fire and his attacks.
@@davidbondy2250 second phase of malenia has the same openings as phase 1, except occasionally her combo can be extended with a leap into the air and into a slam down. If she does that then you get a damage window where you can actually do a charged heavy with even a colossal weapon. Also Scarlet Aeonia has a very good punish window and that window for punish is even bigger if you are a mage or have some sort of range as you can attack her during her recovery. Not to mention you can also hit her mid combo if you have the balls to but just don't be greedy cuz she will more than likely cancel her animation then go for a hyperarmour kick. I do think animation cancelling is pretty BS tho but if you expect it to happen then atleast you can react in time with most weapons. Fallingstar beast I'm not really sure what the problem with him is. If we are talking about cave one then yeah the arena is far too small for him. The other two are completely fine imo. He's pretty tanky ig but all his moves are well telegraphed and if you didn't feel like dodging then you can use your horse to strafe all of them. Also if you attack him during his charge with an attack (to the head I think) it will stun the beast which i think is super neat. Mohgs phase 2 heavily emphasizes sticking close to him no matter what build you are hence why only the tip of his trident spreads bloodflame everywhere. Even if you wanna spam sorceries it's much safer to do so at close range to avoid bloodflame damage; you've gotta play Mohgs game if you wanna come out on top. I think the complaint about enemies having unlimited stamina comes from the fact that since combo extensions are mostly position based and in this game you can't i-frame through every single attack. Therefore you have to focus more on positioning as opposed to dodge rolling all the time, which I have come to realize is quite rewarding for the player in the majority of boss fights. Fights like Maliketh become much more easier when you realize you can bait him into his most punishable attacks by sticking close Infront of him. Sometimes his sword swings entirely miss as well allowing for many charged heavy opportunities which ultimately leads to stance break and more damage. Sorry for essay lmfao
@@zelden2435 real Godfrey in no way is BS. You can jump over all the stomps and punish with a jumping attack making him pretty easy. He has many charged attack openings in both phase 1 and 2, rewarding good positioning. Also his phase 1.5 and phase 2.5 transitions have huge windups that allow you to get big big damage output in them, so Godfrey is incredibly far from BS. It's simply a matter of getting good.
An evolution of runbacks to the bosses in each game FromSoft has put out over the last decade or so would be awesome. They're never fun, but it would be neat to see someone analyze why they're not fun lol
Yeah boss runbacks are an interesting one! People have very divided opinions on them, I did a discussion video on it here th-cam.com/video/ZqbYUeiOT6Y/w-d-xo.html
One of the worst parts if these games. Let's take a game where you die loads and have to learn a lot and let's add 2 minutes of pointless, relatively easy shit on top of a load screen. That sounds good
Boss runs aren't fun for me because, when I'm still learning a boss fight, I need all the Estus I can get. Sometimes, losing even a single flask from some random twerp poking you with a stick can be really infuriating.
I think the delays in ER bosses is because they wanted to add the same natural progression in fights from Sekiro where even when the enemy is on the offense you can progress and not spam Rolland wait for your turn, so you’re meant to attack during their wind ups.
I think the bosses in ds3 are pretty easy after a while because their combos are not very complex. If you look at elden ring the bosses have insane movesets and combos you really feel like you are fighting against gods and i think the challenge of knowing when to attack and where to be to manipulate the combos to your will is more enjoyable than roll.
I honestly liked the simplicity of DS3 much more than the complexity of boss fights in Elden Ring. Yes, they become much easier with every subsequent playthrough, whereas Elden Ring bosses still stomp you... It's just too much of a learning curve at times, with the culmination of it in Malenia. It's a super flashy boss fight, that's really great.. But the movesets and all set the memorisation bar so incredibly high, that it, unfortunately, becomes more of a chore than really enjoying it. At least that's my opinion about it.
For me, Elden Ring is simply the most frustrating game of them all, simply because the boss combos are so random. Sometimes the boss will string together 20 hit combos, sometimes he will just stand still
Elden Ring is the easiest and also the hardest the boss are broken for the infinite stamina and in the dual boss fight there is no tattics just run in circle for 5 min for find the right spot for land a hit, however is also the most broken game there is too much op tools
@@beachtroll4023 without torrent though and even with torrent you'd be spending more time walking than gaming. honestly it's the easiest because you can freely jump and jump attack. just double halberd jump left bumper you win the game lol
@@beachtroll4023 it's somehow the easiest and hardest depending on you. You go old dodge and smeck with no summons and it's a pain. You go for ash summons and weapon arts and its a walk in the park.
"Please stop telling me it's not a Soul's game I don't care" - thank you and agree. God I love these games, every single freaking one of them. Even Sekiro, which was by far the hardest of these games for me.
Don't really mind DS2 enemy placements at all. Threw me off when SotFS was released, because I was so used to the older version, but... still felt natural. Even places where it's totally unfair, like the Iron Keep/Fume Tower... well, it's a keep made of iron to represent the power of the former ruler of this entire land. I'm surprised the entire place wasn't filled with balistas.
Iron Keep isn't even that bad as you say, you can pull every Alonne Knight in alone (teehee) or in pairs. Yeah if you're going to run through you're going to pull every single knight but then, whos fault is that? Also a lot of the clips in the video are of the DLC boss runs, in the areas that were specifically designed as coop areas, including the frigid outskirts. Not saying they're well designed but they are made for 2 people hence the hellish amount of enemies.
for what it's worth, from a non-veteran's perspective: the delayed attacks in elden ring felt fine to me. it naturally fit into the "fuck something up -> learn from it" gameplay loop (although maybe i'll feel differently after trying the other soulsbornes)
My issue is that the delayed timings and instant reactions/ pivots halt the "flow" of combat. In previous games when a boss starts a combo, there are (mostly) consistent opportunities to sneak a few hits in between said combos. It creates this rhythmic back and forth. In ER, while the bosses are still beatable, that flow has halted for us since said weird timings makes it too risky to engage in that back and forth. It's simply easier to wait out a boss's combo then sneak a hit in before the next combo starts. I half-joke when I say the late ER bosses are playing DMC5 while we the playes have reverted back to Demon Souls' sluggishness.
@@J-manli this was my favorite part of the game. It feels like all of the enemies and bosses in Elden Ring are really trying to kill you instead of just “doing a combo” and letting you hit it before the enemy queues up it’s next move
The thing with "the delayed attack" is that Elden Ring does it too much. A boss' move set can be represented as the different flavors of food. Some moves are sweet, some are spicy, and some look absolutely badass. You may like all of these, but what happens if the plate is only filled with sour food. Then you have to eat at least 7 tons of that food with the only variety being a little mint leaf on the side. That's basically ER's approach to move sets. Some bosses have a varied plate, but a majority of them have disgusting, whole sour plates with very little variety, and maybe a hint of spicing with those cool looking moves. Since you're a newcomer, you may never receive perspective on why it feels bad to someone who has played all the other games, but the flavor analogy fits all of them as well. Demon Souls' plate is a puzzling combination of flavors that work out, sometimes. Dark Souls' plate is filled with flavors that are very much fit the food your mom cooked for you, and you may understand why it tastes so good, but others won't and might not even like it. Dark Souls 2's plate is filled with exotic delicacies that have extremely extravagant flavoring. A lot of people probably won't enjoy it, but for those who do, they receive a boon of sweet treats. Bloodborne's plate is the plate that everyone collectively agrees is incredible with only a few odd choices. Dark Souls 3's plate is pretty plain. It might even be boring, but it's refined to a point where you may not like it, but you can't possibly hate it. Sekiro's plate is a perfected blend of perfect flavors. The best plate yet, but it's a very acquired taste, and some may not be able to even look at it. Then Elden Ring's plate has some sweet, some spicy, but almost all sour. You have the small breaks, but it's mostly a filler dish. And as someone who's eaten all the other dishes, the filler dish just does not fill the hole in my heart for that sweet concoction of a perfectly blended dish. So yeah. In summary, ER just has too many delayed attacks. For every 1 delayed attack in Ds3, there's at least 17 in ER. Honestly though, I honestly just wanted to make that flavor analogy lol.
@@dentedavalanche A slower flow is fine. I just find it jarring that bosses can string so many flashy combos and counters while we are only allowed to do 1 maybe 2 attacks during the punish window.
The boss fights in sekiro are incredibly satisfying like you achieved ultra instinct or something especially if you drop combat arts and prosthetics in bladed boss battles I realize there is more than one way to skin a cat but hear me out I do this because it makes each exchange feel risky like it could go either way at any given time and achieving a seamless victory like this is just crazy I never imagined I could get such an overwhelming sense of accomplishment playing a video game
I feel like Bloodborne is the easiest game to become familiar with, if that makes sense. Like I remember it took me a week and a half to beat Martyr Logarius, but when you realize how parryable he is, you can beat him in seconds.
Agreed I remember spending hours on logarius my first playthrough. Just recently started a playthrough with a new character and got him first try. Kinda like sekiro once you know how to fight these bosses the games easy af.
I got into souls games with elden ring, and recently went and played ds1. The first thing I noticed was how slow it was. Med rolling is as slow as fat rolling in ER, there's so much space between bonfires, and even bosses are ridiculously slow with there attacks. Granted, the speed of bosses made the game easier once I got used to it, so much so that I beat in in a weekend and a Friday night, about 30 hours of gameplay, and I wasn't trying to rush through it at all. I missed some covenants but I killed all the bosses
Elden ring was my first fromsoft game and when I went back to ds3 bloodborne and ds1... I got my ass kicked simply becouse I was used to delayed attacks.
@@ma-zi1dh I only remember the Princes, the Nameless King, and the Dragon Slayer Armor obviously delaying their attacks. The rest didn't have nearly as many delayed attacks as the average Elden Ring boss.
@@ma-zi1dh Only the late game ones. At least they were noticeably designed to roll catch you. ESPECIALLY Nameless King. But it wasn't nearly as obnoxious as in Elden Ring.
That's really interesting.... If you have all other FromSoft games under your belt, the delays in Elden Ring are so infuriating.. It's like you learnt something that then Elden Ring teaches you was utterly wrong. Kinda similar to how Sekiro did the same thing with dodging. You CAN play Sekiro the Souls way... But it's incredibly inconsistent (unless you're a master of it) and much much more difficult.
I think the hardest part of Elden Ring is the bosses having Sekiro’s aggression while the players are a Dark Soul protagonist. Sekiro definitely has the best boss design by FromSoft imo. Not only do enemies actually block, they and you yourself react responsibly to each other’s attacks. They react to when you deflect, when your attack get deflected,… it’s always a back and forth between you and the boss and not just wait till you get your chance to attack especially on slow weapons. Making enemies block somehow make it somewhat better than other game already. People complain about lack of weapon, but that is the sole reason why it’s so fine-tuned compare to other game. Slower weapons even with poise will make fast enemies absolutely destroy you, while fast weapons can basically stun-block the enemies(can be seen when using Sabimaru, high monk, floating passage, spiral cloud passage,one mind)
having completed eldenring first, then going to ds3 which i am yet to complete. due to bonfire spacing infuriating me because i dispise the difficulty of haiving to waste my "precious" time doing fucking marathons instead of just plain hard enemies and or bosses which is the thing i defenitlety enjoy the most abt ds3, but anyways coming from eldenring and the level of agression you menetioned the bosses ive come across so far have been a cake walk other than dancer, that was the reverse it was too slow and threw me off. after playing both i honestly dont mind the hyper agression, it makes the fights feel more active to me with the bosses activley hunting you. the only boss i really got that from so far in ds3 was abyss watchers which i thought was a banger, and yea theres my opinion person that never asked!
I'd love a deep dive into enemy placement. These games are so deep and pulling apart the layers can be very interesting I get that ER's bosses are a bit watered down compared to how brilliant they were before but to be fair I'm glad they threw bosses all over the place to make the open world interesting rather than what BOTW did with weapon durability, even the master sword which is ridiculous. That's like not having the moonlight greatsword at all. BOTW had to make it's open world interesting and worthwhile to explore so they made the durability system to add copies of weapons and armor and whatnot to give you a reason to explore the world they developed for years. Elden ring decided to to use smaller scale bosses in various dungeons as a means to make their world interesting and I much prefer that approach. I kinda felt like the bosses being watered down was going to happen anyway because...it's an open world and needs more stuff in it lol. I get some people have an issue with it and it IS a valid criticism of the game, I just can't see it as a serious issue because it fits into the scope of Elden Ring specifically, so well. Also I still hate Sekiro because of the combat lol I was never good at parrying and Sekiro is an entire game built around the ONE mechanic I was never good at so I feel very excluded from it and I will go back to my broken controller days over it lol. The furthest I got was...the poison guy? I didn't even make it to the horseback boss which I know is early game. Let that tell you how much I hate parrying
I suck at parrying in souls games but I finished Sekiro. It's a different mechanic. It's based on just tapping the button when they hit you and it comes a lot more naturally than jank souls parry. It just takes a while to git gud. Just spam the button while they attack you to start with and try again. Plus you might want to look up some boss guides especially for that poison guy
I find it funny when people compare Elden Ring to BotW, and saying that Elden Ring is flawed, while BotW is a masterpiece, then complain about problems that are in both games, and sometimes worse in BotW.
@@captncuddlybear9404 even if I exclude the repeats , on the basis of individual distinct boss model Elden ring has around 70 bosses which is one of the highest in an open world game Zelda botw had like 8 enemy types dotted on the map
That’s weird. I am quite bad at parrying in souls games, including Elden ring, but I can stomp even ishin the sword saint which many consider the hardest boss in all of fromsoft games without breaking a sweat. It just feels natural while parrying in souls games feels clunky. Blood borne is in the middle but I just never did it because it felt super risky. However Sekiro does take a while to get right. I don’t think I have died to a boss more than 30 times in any other game (except Pontiff Sulyvahn and nameless king), but that was common for me in Sekiro during the whole first half. It’s hardest to learn, but easiest to master. And yes the horse rider guy is not far in at all, and is ridiculously easy compared to some of the later fights. He was the only boss I beat in less than 5 tries, except the gimmick fights.
Just thought I’d say this, I started out with ds1 so I was mostly fine, however in future games I’ve struggled sometimes with certain things, like the parrying since I expect the parry to come out a bit after I press it, making me parry early
Elden ring was my first soils game and I’ve now went back and platinum bloodborne, it really shows how much they’ve learned over the years and combined it alll into Elden ring, what an amazing franchise
Something that Elden ring did really good was the bosses holding their attacks because many other similar game for example monster Hunter don’t really include this in boss fights so it’s a good way to give veterans a challenge and also people who haven’t played a souls game but have played similar ones
I wouldn't say MH is the best comparison, because in contrast to ER you don't have s (atleast not mh4u and older) and have to rely much more on positioning
The sprint/roll/jump button is the reason I haven't bothered to play Bloodborne past the first level. Never even got to the first boss on that game because the movement pisses me off so much
The biggest difficulty in ds1 is knowing where to go. Its like jrpgs from the 80s where npcs throw small hints here and there and you are left to explore on your own. Didnt help that it was my first fromsoft game either
The real test of all these games is adaptability and patience that many gamers, myself included, lack more or less lol. I love how various parts of these games are a cake walk to some and a hellhole for others. For every "flaw" people have overcame them. The Demon of Hatred, in Sekiro, was one of my biggest walls in a souls game. Only to see a guy on TH-cam crush him flawlessly in minutes lol
Delays in boss fights is one of the most clever feature introduced by From Software for Elden Ring. It forces players, especially beginners (but also veterans), not to spam the roll and it punishes actions under stress and impulsivity. Instead, you have to be calm, focused and dodge at just the right moment. Brilliant 😃
What i also noticed in elden ring is that humanoid and some monster bosses can aim with massive attacks so that you cant just cant roll behind them when you notice their move. Crucible knights are impossible to cicrle behind them when they try to impale you with their shield and margit will always hit you with his staff when he does his huge strike from above and you try to roll behind his back. Theyre simply having you in their focus, just like we do. Its also confirmed that the enemies can read actions like drinking your healing potion or shooting with a bow/crossbow. They will almost always do the same move. The godskin apostles for example will throw a black flame at you for drinking.
Maybe it's just me, but I personally didn't mind enemy placement for DS2. didn't Stoke me to be any different to how other dark souls games placed their enemies. The only complaint I could think of was how slow using estus was, and how ADP was useless against enemies or bosses that had an attack window that was longer than the invincibility frames of your rolling, such that an attack you SHOULD have dodged ends up damaging you. I didn't mind the ADP system, seemed like a cool idea, but for god sake, I don't want to feel forced to level it up just because enemies in the game have absurdly long damage output windows that punish you too much.
The fact that you basically need to pump in at least 10 levels into ADP just to make a new character playable gives the game a lot less replay value. And the whole estus and lifegem thing was weird. It wasn’t too bad, but they should’ve just focused on one method of healing since both were pretty bad overall
Perhaps you played vanilla DS2? It’s way, WAY more lenient with enemy placement as opposed to SOTFS. While it’s still heavily centred around gank fights you’ll rarely get overwhelmed. Iron Keep is actually pretty reasonable in the OG, there’s only like three blokes around the bridge to Smelty as opposed to the caravan thrown at you in Scholar. Enemies also have heat seeking in the latter and will speedhack their way to you from the other side of the map.
I played regular DS2 when it came out and enjoyed it quite a bit. I waited on the DLC and picked up the SoTFS version, thinking I would save some money. OMG SoTFS redid all the enemy placements just to be aggravate you, and I HATED playing through DS2 again.
I think attack delays as a concept in elden ring are fine in theory but a lot of the bosses take the piss when it comes to how long it takes an attack to execute. Even more damning as u said is 'it's a guessing game'; I wish bosses would indicate through either visual or verbal cues when they'll let off an attack because a lot of the time ull just die and u won't get the chance to even learn the attack. Not to mention a lot of these delayed attacks have unecessarily precise tracking so it often feels like if ur not literally pixel perfect u get punished even if u roll in response to the attack at the right time.
I'm fine with delays but some of the animations looks really goofy and unnatural. Mohg is my favourite boss in the game and one of the reasons is that his delays feel natural to his moveset.
I actually think that Dark Souls 3 had easy bosses (not counting dlc which has like what 3 difficult boss: friede, midir and Gael), I was playing a generic sword/shield build and I beat all bosses in less than 5 tries. I'm not even calling myself a try hard or a beast. For me Bloodborne and Elden Ring had the hardest bosses. For the original souls trilogy then it's the og Dark Souls
I was going a Dex build my first DS3 playthrough... With pretty much 0 poise dmg Abyss Watchers handed my ass to me way too often. Same with Pontiff... So maybe the Sword/Shield Combo did you better than my Estoc 😅
Elden ring didn't have the hardest bosses, it had the most bullshit ones. The more I think about that the more I dislike Elden ring. Dont get me wrong I still love it but it rly feels like a DS 2 2 but in the worst sense sometimes. They just moved the ganks power to ridiculous boss propriety's and combos that unless you are a certain distance away you get hit by at least 1 attack
I played the DS3 DLCs after I played through Elden Ring and for whatever reason, I had no big issues with all DLC bosses in DS3. I mean, yes, I died a few times, but not as many as I did against Malenia in Elden Ring or Manus in DS1 or Prince Lothic in the main game of DS3.
@@HiImBQ I'm doing a dagger-only run for my first time on DS3, and my god Abyss Watchers & Pontiff were a brick wall for me. And Sister Friede has been the hardest boss of any of the soulsborne games I've played so far (DeS:R, DS1, DS2, BB, now DS3). People say that Abyss Watchers have low poise so are easy. Not with a dagger that does bugger all poise damage. People say Pontiff is easily parried. Not with no shield or left hand weapon. I feel like I chose a rough game to challenge myself to daggers only, because the health bars are huge and the bosses deal massive damage. I'm currently on Midir, and while his attacks are pretty easy to dodge, his health bar is just so enormous that it's taking forever to beat him, and that gives me a lot of time to make a mistake. Slave Knight Gael might be my favourite fight ever though.
Maybe I’m in the minority here but, I feel Ds3’s bosses other than a few really weren’t that difficult. A boss a lot of buddies had issue with was Aldrich eater of Gwydolin’s ass but he wasn’t that rough imo. His magic absorption was annoying but I had some Pyromanices to even that out. Midir is hyped as this crazy hard boss but I personally found him surprisingly fair, minus like one or two attacks. I dunno still like Ds3’s bosses a lot but never felt they were the hardest part of the game
Idk it could’ve been cuz DS3 was my first souls game but even when I go back, Midir & Friede give me more trouble than any of the other bosses in the series
@@EmberPlays I started with 1 so, yea but even then I felt the bosses of Ds3 felt like on the same level of difficulty for the other games but were definitely alot more flashy which was cool
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I for one loved the delay in Elden Ring only because it made it seem like there was actual weight being the weapon the enemy is holding, rather than an easy weapon or stick to throw around it was like they were actually holding the weapon. Though I agree with certain bosses the flow was a bit broken at times once you got their patterns down
The thing with sekiro is, that most of the time, there's a certain prosthetic tool, certain buff or a certain trick you can use to make a boss easier. I defeated the corrupted monk today, and after trying so many times I decided to spam firecrackers at her, hit her 2 times, pop firecrackers again, hit her 2 times, and so on.... In the end you can just defeat a boss by using tricks or by using the right prosthetic tools. Some bosses aren't that easy to cheese with the firecrackers for example, but some tools can help you deal the right damage at the right time
In the beginning I hated Sekiro... Then I realised that some settings induced a lot of lag.. Well, needless to say, once I was able to parry I loved it. First game ever for me to 100%
The delays were definitely frustrating at first but I’ve actually grown to like these a lot. Morgott, godfrey/hoarah loux, malenia, all bosses I can appreciate now that I’ve beat them
Elden Ring's problem for me isn't the delayed attacks it's the Ash summons mechanic. They skewed the difficulty toward this mechanic without realizing it broke the balance of the game. Either don't use it and face bosses that are constantly spamming AOE attacks or do use them and almost all the bosses become a joke. All that being said I actually like the idea of ash summons, but it needs to be heavily reworked though.
yeah, bosses are made way harder to balance the fact that ashes exist, but sometimes i just wanna duel a boss like i did with dark souls, but im not good enougth to have a confortable duel with bloated elden ring bosses
Sekiro was the easiest to pick up and play for me as a non souls fan. The faster pace of Bloodborne and Sekiro make them easily my favorites in the series so far. I'm not the most patient of players so a game that forces you to be aggressive and keeps you on your toes is much more enjoyable than feeling like I'm always playing defensively or always waiting on an attack.
Elden ring bosses come in exactly two modes: 1. Your damage+estus+hp+stamina reaches a high enough value that, as long as you get a few second to heal and learn to avoid instant death, you just outlast the boss 2. Your d+e+hp+s is to low, which means that you need to learn the boss perfectly, which is far more difficult than in any previous title because of the delayed attacks and the almost invisible tells Ultimatly, both are mostly unsatisfying, in the first you do "not get gud" and so dont feel a sense of accomplisment. And if it is the second option you die unsatisfyingly and often. Of course once you mastered the boss it is glorious but until you get to that point... Franky, most people and even I myself rather go exploring somewhere else, then return and turn the boss into a type 1
That’s exactly how I’ve played it. Some bosses would feel almost impossible on first try, then you go explore and level up a good bit, and you come back and beat them in like 3 tries. Kind of annoying but at least the exploration is fun.
@@ohwow9870 yo I stand corrected because of a feature i did not utilise at all for three entire playthroughs: the shield No longer useless, no longer causing passivity they perfectly fit into that space where you are not sure you should roll already -try them, massively improves most boss fights, especially if you get parry and counterattack down
@@C104-k5m yeah I tried parrying briefly, but I had just come from sekiro before and was used to the immediate parry system in that game, which I like a lot more. If this game had a more sekiro like character movement and parry system I think it would be almost perfect honestly.
For me, even worse than the delayed attacks were bosses/enemies that had insanely quick combos so that 90% of the time if you dodge the first hit the the followup is almost guaranteed to get you. If you get hit then it's a 50/50 shot on whether you can dodge the second or will be stunlocked.
Ds3 bosses are git gud moments? Hardly. I had to gimp my characters for that, because if you don't you get what I've seen from the majority of letsplays: people just face-tanking and/or roll-spamming bosses to death, hardly learning their moves at all. ER late game fixed this by giving the bosses appropriate damage, but didn't fix it all the way because the bosses still don't have enough health.
I think the video explains why ER is rather less likely to be "replayable" compared to other souls game imo. Ds3 had some challenging yet fun boss battles, sekiro (personally) had the best boss battles with the fast paced yet easy to understand movesets/patterns, ds1 and 2 had boss/enemy patterns that were easily recognizable but ER... I've played hundreds of hours in it but I still don't really fully get it. I still play ds3 and sekiro once in a while because of how fun the boss battles are (and have played them repeatedly over and over again) but ER kinda felt overwhelming after a while. If it's just a first time thing, then yes I'd say that ER is the best souls game that fromsoft has made but I'd consider it the worst when it comes to ng+ (asides from maybe ds2)
I think Elden Ring and Sekiro have the least replayability of all the games to be honest. Once you get the combat down, you just need to experiment a little with the skills and shinobi tools, but beating bosses is the same 95% of the time. A lot of your stuff carries over to NG+ in Elden Ring making dungeons, ruins, heros graves, mini bosses useless to fight again, unless you want to power stance 2 boss weapons.
Dark souls 1 - undoubtedly the hardest part - getting to the 2nd Anor Londo bonfire - before Super Londo Bros - when the two silver knight archers shoot great arrows at you while you're sprinting across a narrow arch which connects the sides of the building on both of which you have barely enough space for a fart to squeeze through, no railings, and if you get hit - you fall, you die.
I’ve never understood why people hate elden rings delayed and varied attack times, other than, (“it’s completely random and impossible to tell, it’s so unfair🤓”). Most attacks, while hard to get down due to the delayed, are almost always telegraphed, and I don’t mean to sound like your average “git gud” comment, but if you can’t see the telegraphs or predict the timings based on how they swing, then that’s your fault. It’s definitely not a guessing game, otherwise I wouldn’t be able to walk into a new boss fight, that I haven’t done before and still be able to dodge most attacks.
I'm relatively new to these games. I've tried ds3 several times and would rage quit. Then i eventually played and beat demons souls. The save points, loss of half your health, and only having two rings sucked. I'm on ds3 now. I just beat the twin princes. Them and the pontiff gave me the most trouble, and the twins teleporting on you from the ceiling is the height of cheap bullshit. But i got through it. I see tough but fair bandied about a lot by souls vets. Tough? Obviously. Fair? When enemies can one shot you through various geometry, including walls, that's not what i would call fair. And don't get me started on toxic swamps. So do i like ds3? Yes. Am i having fun? Honestly, I'm not always sure lol
As someone who didn't play the games in the genre before Elden Ring, I really enjoyed delayed attacks and long combos, it punished me for roll spamming and for just guessing at what attack timings felt appropriate. I always felt like I had to sit up and carefully learn the fight and then the rhythm of each fight becomes apparent. Sometimes Ashes do help ofc but they often cause bosses to behave unpredictably so I found myself using them against bosses who gave me trouble because my build wasn't good into them.
I think this comparison of complexity is completely meaningless. These games can offer countless variations of the individual gaming experience for each player, starting with the character's construction, damage, defense and the amount of consumable materials, ending with the experience of the player himself and the ability to anticipate situations.
Sekiro gets me when it throws enemies that you're not meant to parry or counter (giants etc) like you're supposed to forget everything you learnt and go back to ds rolling
Your description of the difference of demons souls to the other games is perfect. I'd played every game in the series except for demons souls until a couple days ago. And man I felt pampered after playing demons souls, I was like holy crap they give you bonfires like candy in DS1 compared to this. You get 4 bonfires in the first 20 minutes in DS1 compared to no bonfire for the first couple hours of demons souls and only one per area. It was that immediate "holy crap how did people even manage to get through this back in the day if this was their first exposure". I've done a lot of thinking about that sort of stuff the whole time playing demons souls. I mean I got hit with it right out the gate because the first small ledge that I came up to in the tutorial area I tried jumping completely out of muscle memory I picked up in sekiro and elden ring. But that reaction of "we like it that way". That's pretty much been my reaction to all that stuff in demons souls. Me going holy crap is this hard, but holy crap does it feel good to be terrified by a souls game again. The enemies themselves aren't the issue as their ai is so easy to cheese, but it's the unknown factor of not understanding anything. Like you are talking I Speedran the entire zone up to the red knight 5 times, not killing any enemies, then getting one shot by the knight, before I finally decided to go search around and stumbled on the shortcut. Oh and the fact I was getting one shot... I figured out the game pulled a fast one on me. I picked barbarian and my armor is literally useless. I did that horrible thing and assumed it was this games equivalent of the bandit in DS1 for doing a strength build, it is but is also a deprived lol.
oh gosh the pacing of DS1 was what made me love it so much, i was able to move through the whole thing slowly and methodically on a micro and macro scale, bloodborne is kicking my ass in comparison because i have to be on top of things at all times
I thought this would just be the hardest section of each souls game, but I’m glad it was an analysis of the overall design differences in each game instead, I think it’s cooler
Started on Elden Ring and didn't know the delays were new. Going through DSR now and I'm quite satisfied with how far watching their hands for movement is getting me
I’m in love with the elden ring combat rn cuz you have to feel each boss out and determine what would be the best attack pattern for you to use based off of there’s and go out into the open world become godly yourself and try again with moves you found specifically for the boss your trying to beat it’s fucking great
I kept complaining to my friend about the delayed attacks in Elden Ring. At a certain point I thought it was just me and that I sucked. Glad to know this was an intentional thing they added for difficulty.
Definitely agree Sekiro is the hardest to learn but easiest to master. I think why the initial learning curve is so hard is for two reasons:. 1: Regardless of what people say it's a soulslike game and your muscle memory fights you. You have to unlearn the RPG style of the other games to play Sekiro correctly. 2. Because its combat is so specific the only way to win is to do exactly what it asks of you. And in the other games there is much more variety in tactics that you end up winning based more on your style. Which is easier to learn bc it has more flexibility. Sekiro forces you to adapt to what it wants and that rigidity can be hard to learn. But once you do, it's also what makes it easier and you always know exactly how to beat a boss. And there are less unpredictable or "unfair" factors the other games have for bosses who need to compensate for a variety of play styles. You also don't really have to worry about leveling, bc while there are stat increases it's significantly less than the other games and there's no armor or weapon types to worry about, so generally you can assume you're exactly the strength you need to be.
Elden Ring was my first souls game and I died ALOT at first but I soon realized the combat system with this Elden Ring and God Of War (2018) weren't that different so that helped me learn and adapt to the moves and exactly how to counter.
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The delays in Elden Ring threw me off so much and definitely was the hardest thing to adapt to, but I never felt it was a guessing game once you learned their moves. While I'm inclined to just say "get good" and move on, I keep seeing people complain about this. I've always felt this change adds a new level to learning boss move sets because you can't just dodge roll spam the second you see movement. Curious to hear what others think though
Some of the delays and animation cancels are a bit obnoxious (Margit and Morgott come to mind), but for the most part, I do agree that it does add a new level to adapt to.
I am definitely in that camp. The problem for me is not that you have to relearn per se, but that it feels unnatural and calculated. The instaspamming and delayed attacks could work if they were a little less frequent, but compared to the boss perfection of some of the other games, this just not right to me. You can sort of notice a tendency towards this in DS3 with Gael and the twin princes, but they never go over the edge there IMHO. I think the earlier bosses like Godrick and Margit are probably the best from a pure mechanical perspective. I also hink they missed a little with the reused bosses and the system with the spirit summoning system. To me if you summon a helper the game gets extremely easy and takes all the fun away, but if not some bosses border on a little bit too challenging. I hope that they dial down the ten hit combos and delayed attacks just a hair in future games. I want more bosses like Friede, Isshin, Nameless King, Artorias in future games.
To me it’s just annoying when a boss can use one startup but have two different timings for when they start their attacks, or have different follow up combos starting from the same attack chain. It would be fine in a game like sekiro or bloodborne which is a lot more fast paced, but with the rolling style of DS3 with slight input delay (the rolling starting at button release, not press) which is a lot less forgiving, its kinda annoying
@@CoreyisBarackObama I'm convinced that Margit/Morgott are intentionally more susceptible to the attack delays. Margit is widely considered the "noob filter" as the first (real) boss of the game, and Morgott is the filter to the endgame. If you haven't gotten to the point of being able to react to their delays at that point, you aren't ready for what's to come. In this vein, I see Ornstein & Smough in the same light.
People hate it when people say get good. Im new to these type of games and do not get offended by this at all. It is literally what you have to do, get good, learn the game and beat the challenge. I've brought all there other games to play through and can't wait. I'm in my last playthrough of elden Ring to get last achievement. It's been the best game I've played. I was so impressed by the boss design, I thought fire giant is the hardest for me.
What bugged me the most with elden ring was the attacking window when facing the bosses. You either have the chance to land a single hit because the boss decided to do a 20 combo piece forcing you to dodge for 1 minute straight and leave you with the stamina for 1 attack, or, when there is an oppening for attack, attack once instead of twice because by the moment you go for the second attack the boss is way faster dropping you on your knees.
and people say Dark Souls series are harder than ER. I never experienced in my life to dodge a 15hit combo just to land a fucking poke then proceed to dodge and wait again.
This is largely cause of the ash summons. They balanced the game around you using them. Like I said in my own post though, use them and most of the bosses become a joke, or don't use them and your constantly dodging.
Radagon was one of the worst bosses for me when it came to delayed attacks
You say that but it's because you don't know the bosses very well. There are often times where people have many chances to hit a boss mid combo but don't out of fear of being hit.
@@Spaz740 def no balanced around them, half the bosses ai shits themselves the moment you summon orn and the difficult drops tenfold as well
After Genichiro, almost all of the rest of Sekiro is suddenly much easier and less scary.
Agreed!
Less scary, yes. Easier, idk. Still feel like Guardian Ape, Owl, DoH and Isshin are giant walls for many people.
@@nomongosinthaworld It took me 3 days to get past Guardian Ape and 2 weeks to beat Isshin. Isshin was the one that really made me learn the game, it was so satisfying to fight him I got the boss rush mod just to keep fighting him time and time again
@@nomongosinthaworld agreed, owl was that one for me, the only boss that made me use fire crackers just so I can heal🥲
DoH was the most apt name ever. Days of tries and boy was I full of hatred by the end of it.
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I agree with you On Demon Soul's losing 50% health and then having to worry about world tendency with phantoms was tough, DS1 yeah going back to that game certainly felt slower especially after playing Bloodborne and Sekiro, DS2 don't even get me started on the enemy placement, SOTFS Iron Keep was utter hell with Alone knights everywhere, Bloodborne although the world design was tough and forbidden woods can sometimes be confusing, I found that farming blood gems was even harder than anything, DS3 most areas are easy but my god those bosses are insane
3 phase boss fights like Sister Friede and Slave Knight Gael were really something else and Demon Princes, Twin Princes both gave me a hard time (Never found Midir to be to hard) Sekiro I still find the combat tough the deflection and breaking enemy stance with timed blocks and attacks is certainly a learning curve, then finally Elden Ring I personally from my experience found the stun locks and wombo combos *cough cough* (Waterfowl dance) and more attacks from certain other bosses to be pretty intense, another example Godfrey's crazy stomps.
“Alone” knights certainly aren’t alone.
Which is a big part of the problem with these enemies…
also add the fact that Malenia violates that core principle of Animation commitment that the player and other elden ring bosses, iirc she is the only boss that can animation cancel HER OWN STAGGER animation so that she can either block or dodge your incoming attacks
I personally like the slow combat of Dark Souls 1 the most, it just tickles my fancy ig
Midir is how you know you got a good fundamental grasp on souls combat, it's spacing midir moves around when he attacks so mastering his movement will give you the opportunity to attack him and avoid him.
The Demon Soul's health loss isn't actually that bad it's just a fault of the game on how they present it. If they presented it like a Dark Souls 3 situation of having your Soul form health be the true health and the Body form health be as a buff, it would have eased a lot of players minds. Yet since it starts with the Body form health, and the fact that you constantly see the missing health the entire time you're in Spirit form, makes it look like you're horribly impaired.
My two cents about what makes Bloodborne so difficult is that enemies do double damage to you if they hit you during an action like rolling, jumping, running and attacking. Bloodborne encourages you to play aggressively but punishes you severely if you get greedy and careless with your aggression.
Edit: It was mentioned later in the video, making my comment irrelevant XD
Yep this is actually the main reason why I think most people hate Laurence. He already hits hard but add the double damage, small arena and the fact he has a fire damage effect after every hit, it means he can more easily and often proc that double damage and take out people very quickly.
It's a really cool mechanic in the context of that game. While dodging is more powerful than it's ever been in the series, the added risk of getting counter hit leads to many intense encounters.
I agree totally haah
WOW, I never knew that, that makes a lot of sense
Doesn't It happen in every souls game?
For a moment reading that title, I thought it would be about the hardest segment from each Souls game. Maybe this can be a future video ?
Yes! I wondered if ppl would get that confused tbh
@@EmberPlays I thought that too when I clicked the video
@@EmberPlays I got confused tbh.
should do better titles next time maybe idk...
oh the title of ur next video could be "the hardest part about coming up with titles for videos that aren't click bait"
@@funk3nst3inhow is this video click bait lol? It’s about what’s in the title. Not his fault you interpreted the title wrong 🤣
In my opinion Sekiro has the most satisfying combat in any game I’ve ever played outside of Monster Hunter. I hope fromsoft makes another game like that.
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Ghost of Tsushima was the game Sekiro wanted to be.
@@purefoldnz3070 Ghost of Tsushima has a good story and directing, but Sekiro trounces it in every other way imo. GOT has very bland combat and gameplay.
I had similar issues with the Witcher. Great story and directing, terrible combat and gameplay.
I think Elden Ring has kind of encouraged me to be patient and confident in fights, especially boss fights. The slightly-delayed-feeling timing rewards me paying attention to the bosses and having the confidence to dodge roll based on knowing their moves rather than rewarding my twitch reactions or panic rolling. I find it very fun personally and it takes experiences similar to ones like dancer of the boreal valley from ds3 and repeats it in a satisfying way.
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Agreed, the late portion of this game forced me to really work on my panic rolling habit. Also, a lot of the really slow attacks in combos can just be straight up punished and then dodged safely, raising the skill ceiling even higher
In general I think I prefer games that are more reaction based then knowledge based but I can enjoy both depending on the genre.
Morgott is absolutely the best at this imo, I swear I love the fight but god damn it's a fucking NIGHTMARE if you don't 'unlearn' panic rolling
I would say what makes DS3 hard isn't the bosses, it's the fact that many normal enemies are fast as fuck and have way more mobility than you do. Lothric Knights, Grave Wardens, the dogs, Crucified lycanthropes, the Corvians, the bigger dogs, the Corvian Knights, Pontiff Knights, I could go on. That and many areas will cram these fast as fuck enemies together in groups so you will regularly get ganked by them.
Don't make me think of that forest with the teleporting dogs.
Dude the dogs are op in DS3, actually rage inducing lol
it depends. neve had real trouble with dogs even in ds3. my playstyle in the ds trilogy has always been sword and board. so just locking on to the dogs and holding my shield up makes it a cake walk.
The thralls (especially in NG+ 7) are the absolute worst in that game. They are super mobile and difficult to hit.
Watch out the youtuber is gonna complains about ds2 ganks again! Ds3 enemy placement sucks since you almost always have to take on 2+ enemies at the same time but this youtubers has such a heavy bias towards ds3 that he doesnt notice it, meanwhile he shits on ds2 enemies that almost always come one at the time but he keeps rushing in every single fucking clip he uses for that game
10:26 yea, I totally agree with you on that
I played DS1 first, then DS3, then Elden Ring and I still like DS1 the most. I think most people like the first game they played the most.
Gotta play ds2
DS1, then looked at DS2, got stomped because I didn't realize what the champion's covenant did plus the gameplay felt bad, so went on to DS3, felt at home, loved it, back to DS2 again as I found out about that covenant... Played a bunch, hated it, moved on to bloodborne, then sekiro, then elden ring. I'm really torn and can't say what I like the most... DS3, BB and Sekiro... Elden Ring then DS1 then DS2 (if I really have to mention it... I'd rather forget about it). DS3 I loved the Boss battles. BB overall style and gameplay and Sekiro (once I fixed input lag and started to be able to parry) gameplay and my god is that one gorgeous game.
I'm still hoping Demon's Souls will come to PC one day, as I don't see me buying a PS5 at all and I don't want to play the PS3 Version through PS Now.
Yeah I unfortunately love ds2, I think its because it was my first
I played elden ring, then sekiro then ds3 then ds1 then ds2 and I like ds3 the most
@@doboi8121 I agree it’s so underrated in my opinion
Yep, definitely the hardest part of Sekiro was unlearning everything I have learned about Souls combat.
I found I was able to deal with the delayed attacks in Elden Ring. However, the attack chains of many bosses were the hardest part for me, especially the relentless nature of the majority of the bosses. Sometimes it was fun, many times it was bullshit that your enemies don’t have to worry about stamina the way you have to.
Can you give examples pls I can't really think of a single enemy that had very little openings that it was unfair excluding the duos
@@Bill_9999 second phase of Malenia and the fallingstar beasts stick out as examples of this. Also the second phase of Mohg, but that mostly has to deal with trying to balance the fire and his attacks.
@@davidbondy2250 second phase of malenia has the same openings as phase 1, except occasionally her combo can be extended with a leap into the air and into a slam down. If she does that then you get a damage window where you can actually do a charged heavy with even a colossal weapon. Also Scarlet Aeonia has a very good punish window and that window for punish is even bigger if you are a mage or have some sort of range as you can attack her during her recovery. Not to mention you can also hit her mid combo if you have the balls to but just don't be greedy cuz she will more than likely cancel her animation then go for a hyperarmour kick. I do think animation cancelling is pretty BS tho but if you expect it to happen then atleast you can react in time with most weapons.
Fallingstar beast I'm not really sure what the problem with him is. If we are talking about cave one then yeah the arena is far too small for him. The other two are completely fine imo. He's pretty tanky ig but all his moves are well telegraphed and if you didn't feel like dodging then you can use your horse to strafe all of them. Also if you attack him during his charge with an attack (to the head I think) it will stun the beast which i think is super neat.
Mohgs phase 2 heavily emphasizes sticking close to him no matter what build you are hence why only the tip of his trident spreads bloodflame everywhere. Even if you wanna spam sorceries it's much safer to do so at close range to avoid bloodflame damage; you've gotta play Mohgs game if you wanna come out on top.
I think the complaint about enemies having unlimited stamina comes from the fact that since combo extensions are mostly position based and in this game you can't i-frame through every single attack. Therefore you have to focus more on positioning as opposed to dodge rolling all the time, which I have come to realize is quite rewarding for the player in the majority of boss fights. Fights like Maliketh become much more easier when you realize you can bait him into his most punishable attacks by sticking close Infront of him. Sometimes his sword swings entirely miss as well allowing for many charged heavy opportunities which ultimately leads to stance break and more damage.
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@@Bill_9999 The real Godfrey, that's all I need to say (stomp, stomp, stomp)
@@zelden2435 real Godfrey in no way is BS. You can jump over all the stomps and punish with a jumping attack making him pretty easy. He has many charged attack openings in both phase 1 and 2, rewarding good positioning. Also his phase 1.5 and phase 2.5 transitions have huge windups that allow you to get big big damage output in them, so Godfrey is incredibly far from BS. It's simply a matter of getting good.
An evolution of runbacks to the bosses in each game FromSoft has put out over the last decade or so would be awesome. They're never fun, but it would be neat to see someone analyze why they're not fun lol
I made a post on this topic before, the top answer makes a lot of sense.
In demon souls the runs are the boss and the boss the Reward
Yeah boss runbacks are an interesting one! People have very divided opinions on them, I did a discussion video on it here th-cam.com/video/ZqbYUeiOT6Y/w-d-xo.html
One of the worst parts if these games. Let's take a game where you die loads and have to learn a lot and let's add 2 minutes of pointless, relatively easy shit on top of a load screen. That sounds good
Boss runs aren't fun for me because, when I'm still learning a boss fight, I need all the Estus I can get. Sometimes, losing even a single flask from some random twerp poking you with a stick can be really infuriating.
I really enjoy the variety and choice Elden ring gives you to tackle bosses, if one build isn't working try another, it makes you experiment.
I think the delays in ER bosses is because they wanted to add the same natural progression in fights from Sekiro where even when the enemy is on the offense you can progress and not spam Rolland wait for your turn, so you’re meant to attack during their wind ups.
I think the bosses in ds3 are pretty easy after a while because their combos are not very complex. If you look at elden ring the bosses have insane movesets and combos you really feel like you are fighting against gods and i think the challenge of knowing when to attack and where to be to manipulate the combos to your will is more enjoyable than roll.
I honestly liked the simplicity of DS3 much more than the complexity of boss fights in Elden Ring. Yes, they become much easier with every subsequent playthrough, whereas Elden Ring bosses still stomp you... It's just too much of a learning curve at times, with the culmination of it in Malenia. It's a super flashy boss fight, that's really great.. But the movesets and all set the memorisation bar so incredibly high, that it, unfortunately, becomes more of a chore than really enjoying it. At least that's my opinion about it.
as someone who played ds3 after elden ring yea i found most bosses really easy. not a bad thing on its own but i find er bosses more enjoyable
For me, Elden Ring is simply the most frustrating game of them all, simply because the boss combos are so random. Sometimes the boss will string together 20 hit combos, sometimes he will just stand still
Elden ring is by far the easiest souls game there is! Mimic, torrent, state of marika and easy weapon upgrades!
Elden Ring is the easiest and also the hardest the boss are broken for the infinite stamina and in the dual boss fight there is no tattics just run in circle for 5 min for find the right spot for land a hit, however is also the most broken game there is too much op tools
@@beachtroll4023 without torrent though and even with torrent you'd be spending more time walking than gaming. honestly it's the easiest because you can freely jump and jump attack. just double halberd jump left bumper you win the game lol
the combos are based on your movement and decisions during the fight , not random, just “smarter”
@@beachtroll4023 it's somehow the easiest and hardest depending on you. You go old dodge and smeck with no summons and it's a pain. You go for ash summons and weapon arts and its a walk in the park.
"Please stop telling me it's not a souls game I don't care" A man after my own heart.
Another thing about DS2 is that it tied i-frames to a stat that you have to level up to make it feel like other souls games
"Please stop telling me it's not a Soul's game I don't care" - thank you and agree.
God I love these games, every single freaking one of them. Even Sekiro, which was by far the hardest of these games for me.
Don't really mind DS2 enemy placements at all. Threw me off when SotFS was released, because I was so used to the older version, but... still felt natural. Even places where it's totally unfair, like the Iron Keep/Fume Tower... well, it's a keep made of iron to represent the power of the former ruler of this entire land. I'm surprised the entire place wasn't filled with balistas.
you are 1 in a million.
Iron Keep isn't even that bad as you say, you can pull every Alonne Knight in alone (teehee) or in pairs. Yeah if you're going to run through you're going to pull every single knight but then, whos fault is that?
Also a lot of the clips in the video are of the DLC boss runs, in the areas that were specifically designed as coop areas, including the frigid outskirts. Not saying they're well designed but they are made for 2 people hence the hellish amount of enemies.
@@marioplumber3378 Make that 1.5 in a million!
Also, Halberds are good fit against these Knights in Iron Keep. Because of that, I aslo had no issues against them.
for what it's worth, from a non-veteran's perspective: the delayed attacks in elden ring felt fine to me. it naturally fit into the "fuck something up -> learn from it" gameplay loop (although maybe i'll feel differently after trying the other soulsbornes)
My issue is that the delayed timings and instant reactions/ pivots halt the "flow" of combat. In previous games when a boss starts a combo, there are (mostly) consistent opportunities to sneak a few hits in between said combos. It creates this rhythmic back and forth. In ER, while the bosses are still beatable, that flow has halted for us since said weird timings makes it too risky to engage in that back and forth. It's simply easier to wait out a boss's combo then sneak a hit in before the next combo starts.
I half-joke when I say the late ER bosses are playing DMC5 while we the playes have reverted back to Demon Souls' sluggishness.
@@J-manli this was my favorite part of the game. It feels like all of the enemies and bosses in Elden Ring are really trying to kill you instead of just “doing a combo” and letting you hit it before the enemy queues up it’s next move
The thing with "the delayed attack" is that Elden Ring does it too much. A boss' move set can be represented as the different flavors of food. Some moves are sweet, some are spicy, and some look absolutely badass. You may like all of these, but what happens if the plate is only filled with sour food. Then you have to eat at least 7 tons of that food with the only variety being a little mint leaf on the side. That's basically ER's approach to move sets. Some bosses have a varied plate, but a majority of them have disgusting, whole sour plates with very little variety, and maybe a hint of spicing with those cool looking moves.
Since you're a newcomer, you may never receive perspective on why it feels bad to someone who has played all the other games, but the flavor analogy fits all of them as well.
Demon Souls' plate is a puzzling combination of flavors that work out, sometimes.
Dark Souls' plate is filled with flavors that are very much fit the food your mom cooked for you, and you may understand why it tastes so good, but others won't and might not even like it. Dark Souls 2's plate is filled with exotic delicacies that have extremely extravagant flavoring. A lot of people probably won't enjoy it, but for those who do, they receive a boon of sweet treats.
Bloodborne's plate is the plate that everyone collectively agrees is incredible with only a few odd choices.
Dark Souls 3's plate is pretty plain. It might even be boring, but it's refined to a point where you may not like it, but you can't possibly hate it.
Sekiro's plate is a perfected blend of perfect flavors. The best plate yet, but it's a very acquired taste, and some may not be able to even look at it.
Then Elden Ring's plate has some sweet, some spicy, but almost all sour. You have the small breaks, but it's mostly a filler dish. And as someone who's eaten all the other dishes, the filler dish just does not fill the hole in my heart for that sweet concoction of a perfectly blended dish.
So yeah. In summary, ER just has too many delayed attacks. For every 1 delayed attack in Ds3, there's at least 17 in ER.
Honestly though, I honestly just wanted to make that flavor analogy lol.
@@J-manli that’s just bs. The flow is fine, just slower.
@@dentedavalanche
A slower flow is fine. I just find it jarring that bosses can string so many flashy combos and counters while we are only allowed to do 1 maybe 2 attacks during the punish window.
The boss fights in sekiro are incredibly satisfying like you achieved ultra instinct or something especially if you drop combat arts and prosthetics in bladed boss battles I realize there is more than one way to skin a cat but hear me out I do this because it makes each exchange feel risky like it could go either way at any given time and achieving a seamless victory like this is just crazy I never imagined I could get such an overwhelming sense of accomplishment playing a video game
love the outro, it's perfection
Thanks :)
Yeah I enjoyed it too mu....
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I feel like Bloodborne is the easiest game to become familiar with, if that makes sense. Like I remember it took me a week and a half to beat Martyr Logarius, but when you realize how parryable he is, you can beat him in seconds.
was blood borne your first game?
You mean.. he's the reincarnation of Gwyn? 🙈
Agreed I remember spending hours on logarius my first playthrough. Just recently started a playthrough with a new character and got him first try. Kinda like sekiro once you know how to fight these bosses the games easy af.
@@kazzz8397 its mine and im sure if i try another souls game itll be easy...
Easiest to get use to but the hardest to actually beat Elden Ring has a good mix for both begginers and Veterans.
In My opinion Sekiro is still the best Fromsoft game.
100% literal perfection.
Absolutely perfect in what is there, but I felt it was way too short
@@lilsmack3342 i spent 65h in my first playthrought(first time playing souls-game) but now i have done with blood born and dark souls 3 great games
I agree. It has the best combat mechanics of any game I’ve ever played, by far.
A powerful take. Mine is Bloodborne, but I understand you 100%
I got into souls games with elden ring, and recently went and played ds1. The first thing I noticed was how slow it was. Med rolling is as slow as fat rolling in ER, there's so much space between bonfires, and even bosses are ridiculously slow with there attacks. Granted, the speed of bosses made the game easier once I got used to it, so much so that I beat in in a weekend and a Friday night, about 30 hours of gameplay, and I wasn't trying to rush through it at all. I missed some covenants but I killed all the bosses
Elden ring was my first fromsoft game and when I went back to ds3 bloodborne and ds1... I got my ass kicked simply becouse I was used to delayed attacks.
DS3s boss have a ton of delayed attacks tbh
@@ma-zi1dh I only remember the Princes, the Nameless King, and the Dragon Slayer Armor obviously delaying their attacks. The rest didn't have nearly as many delayed attacks as the average Elden Ring boss.
@@ma-zi1dh Only the late game ones. At least they were noticeably designed to roll catch you. ESPECIALLY Nameless King. But it wasn't nearly as obnoxious as in Elden Ring.
That's really interesting.... If you have all other FromSoft games under your belt, the delays in Elden Ring are so infuriating.. It's like you learnt something that then Elden Ring teaches you was utterly wrong. Kinda similar to how Sekiro did the same thing with dodging. You CAN play Sekiro the Souls way... But it's incredibly inconsistent (unless you're a master of it) and much much more difficult.
@@HiImBQ Parrying feels pretty inconsistent too. I parry an attack once, do the same thing and it doesnt parry, pretty annoying.
I think the hardest part of Elden Ring is the bosses having Sekiro’s aggression while the players are a Dark Soul protagonist.
Sekiro definitely has the best boss design by FromSoft imo. Not only do enemies actually block, they and you yourself react responsibly to each other’s attacks. They react to when you deflect, when your attack get deflected,… it’s always a back and forth between you and the boss and not just wait till you get your chance to attack especially on slow weapons.
Making enemies block somehow make it somewhat better than other game already.
People complain about lack of weapon, but that is the sole reason why it’s so fine-tuned compare to other game. Slower weapons even with poise will make fast enemies absolutely destroy you, while fast weapons can basically stun-block the enemies(can be seen when using Sabimaru, high monk, floating passage, spiral cloud passage,one mind)
having completed eldenring first, then going to ds3 which i am yet to complete. due to bonfire spacing infuriating me because i dispise the difficulty of haiving to waste my "precious" time doing fucking marathons instead of just plain hard enemies and or bosses which is the thing i defenitlety enjoy the most abt ds3, but anyways coming from eldenring and the level of agression you menetioned the bosses ive come across so far have been a cake walk other than dancer, that was the reverse it was too slow and threw me off. after playing both i honestly dont mind the hyper agression, it makes the fights feel more active to me with the bosses activley hunting you. the only boss i really got that from so far in ds3 was abyss watchers which i thought was a banger, and yea theres my opinion person that never asked!
@@Arkolob lol ,you definitely haven’t played Demon’s Souls
@@bandermaster6461 didn´t claim he did, did he?
@@ehrlichergobbler elden ring is shit and the worst souls game
I'd love a deep dive into enemy placement. These games are so deep and pulling apart the layers can be very interesting
I get that ER's bosses are a bit watered down compared to how brilliant they were before but to be fair I'm glad they threw bosses all over the place to make the open world interesting rather than what BOTW did with weapon durability, even the master sword which is ridiculous. That's like not having the moonlight greatsword at all. BOTW had to make it's open world interesting and worthwhile to explore so they made the durability system to add copies of weapons and armor and whatnot to give you a reason to explore the world they developed for years. Elden ring decided to to use smaller scale bosses in various dungeons as a means to make their world interesting and I much prefer that approach. I kinda felt like the bosses being watered down was going to happen anyway because...it's an open world and needs more stuff in it lol.
I get some people have an issue with it and it IS a valid criticism of the game, I just can't see it as a serious issue because it fits into the scope of Elden Ring specifically, so well.
Also I still hate Sekiro because of the combat lol I was never good at parrying and Sekiro is an entire game built around the ONE mechanic I was never good at so I feel very excluded from it and I will go back to my broken controller days over it lol. The furthest I got was...the poison guy? I didn't even make it to the horseback boss which I know is early game. Let that tell you how much I hate parrying
I suck at parrying in souls games but I finished Sekiro. It's a different mechanic. It's based on just tapping the button when they hit you and it comes a lot more naturally than jank souls parry. It just takes a while to git gud. Just spam the button while they attack you to start with and try again. Plus you might want to look up some boss guides especially for that poison guy
I find it funny when people compare Elden Ring to BotW, and saying that Elden Ring is flawed, while BotW is a masterpiece, then complain about problems that are in both games, and sometimes worse in BotW.
@@captncuddlybear9404 even if I exclude the repeats , on the basis of individual distinct boss model Elden ring has around 70 bosses which is one of the highest in an open world game
Zelda botw had like 8 enemy types dotted on the map
That’s weird. I am quite bad at parrying in souls games, including Elden ring, but I can stomp even ishin the sword saint which many consider the hardest boss in all of fromsoft games without breaking a sweat. It just feels natural while parrying in souls games feels clunky. Blood borne is in the middle but I just never did it because it felt super risky. However Sekiro does take a while to get right. I don’t think I have died to a boss more than 30 times in any other game (except Pontiff Sulyvahn and nameless king), but that was common for me in Sekiro during the whole first half. It’s hardest to learn, but easiest to master. And yes the horse rider guy is not far in at all, and is ridiculously easy compared to some of the later fights. He was the only boss I beat in less than 5 tries, except the gimmick fights.
Just thought I’d say this, I started out with ds1 so I was mostly fine, however in future games I’ve struggled sometimes with certain things, like the parrying since I expect the parry to come out a bit after I press it, making me parry early
Elden ring was my first soils game and I’ve now went back and platinum bloodborne, it really shows how much they’ve learned over the years and combined it alll into Elden ring, what an amazing franchise
Something that Elden ring did really good was the bosses holding their attacks because many other similar game for example monster Hunter don’t really include this in boss fights so it’s a good way to give veterans a challenge and also people who haven’t played a souls game but have played similar ones
I wouldn't say MH is the best comparison, because in contrast to ER you don't have s (atleast not mh4u and older) and have to rely much more on positioning
The sprint/roll/jump button is the reason I haven't bothered to play Bloodborne past the first level. Never even got to the first boss on that game because the movement pisses me off so much
Hard agree. Not worth it.
I’ve been waiting a long time for this one. By the way you're inspire me to created video on my channel like you do.
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THAT SIDESTEP WAS INSANE
The biggest difficulty in ds1 is knowing where to go. Its like jrpgs from the 80s where npcs throw small hints here and there and you are left to explore on your own. Didnt help that it was my first fromsoft game either
This is why ds1 is the hardest game for most. Not the combat. Anyone who says they beat ds1 completely blind without looking anything up lying.
@@gaythugsmatter7029 i beat all fromsoft games except bloodborne. Every first playthrough was completely blind.
It's not just the delayed attacks in Elden Ring, it's attacks that have delayed windups but come out suddenly at the speed of light.
Amazing video from an Amazing Creator
Thanks Mr Ember it my pleasure
And yes the outro is Awesome 😎
You’re the best, thank you so much!!!!
@@EmberPlays keep making outros like this
@@EmberPlays dude thank you so much you're awesome you're the best
@@mehrshad3472 yes the best outro by far
The real test of all these games is adaptability and patience that many gamers, myself included, lack more or less lol. I love how various parts of these games are a cake walk to some and a hellhole for others. For every "flaw" people have overcame them. The Demon of Hatred, in Sekiro, was one of my biggest walls in a souls game. Only to see a guy on TH-cam crush him flawlessly in minutes lol
Have to agree with pretty much everything in this video. Love the ending 😂
Thanks :)
There are 2 kinds of people in this world. Those who need closure...
Delays in boss fights is one of the most clever feature introduced by From Software for Elden Ring.
It forces players, especially beginners (but also veterans), not to spam the roll and it punishes actions under stress and impulsivity. Instead, you have to be calm, focused and dodge at just the right moment.
Brilliant 😃
it sucks.
What i also noticed in elden ring is that humanoid and some monster bosses can aim with massive attacks so that you cant just cant roll behind them when you notice their move. Crucible knights are impossible to cicrle behind them when they try to impale you with their shield and margit will always hit you with his staff when he does his huge strike from above and you try to roll behind his back. Theyre simply having you in their focus, just like we do. Its also confirmed that the enemies can read actions like drinking your healing potion or shooting with a bow/crossbow. They will almost always do the same move. The godskin apostles for example will throw a black flame at you for drinking.
Maybe it's just me, but I personally didn't mind enemy placement for DS2. didn't Stoke me to be any different to how other dark souls games placed their enemies. The only complaint I could think of was how slow using estus was, and how ADP was useless against enemies or bosses that had an attack window that was longer than the invincibility frames of your rolling, such that an attack you SHOULD have dodged ends up damaging you. I didn't mind the ADP system, seemed like a cool idea, but for god sake, I don't want to feel forced to level it up just because enemies in the game have absurdly long damage output windows that punish you too much.
The fact that you basically need to pump in at least 10 levels into ADP just to make a new character playable gives the game a lot less replay value. And the whole estus and lifegem thing was weird. It wasn’t too bad, but they should’ve just focused on one method of healing since both were pretty bad overall
Perhaps you played vanilla DS2? It’s way, WAY more lenient with enemy placement as opposed to SOTFS. While it’s still heavily centred around gank fights you’ll rarely get overwhelmed. Iron Keep is actually pretty reasonable in the OG, there’s only like three blokes around the bridge to Smelty as opposed to the caravan thrown at you in Scholar. Enemies also have heat seeking in the latter and will speedhack their way to you from the other side of the map.
I played regular DS2 when it came out and enjoyed it quite a bit. I waited on the DLC and picked up the SoTFS version, thinking I would save some money. OMG SoTFS redid all the enemy placements just to be aggravate you, and I HATED playing through DS2 again.
I'd rather have ADP than Ds3's poise system, mana system, balance or enemy placement.
@@scotaloo77g73 ds3 balance and enemy placement? have you even played ds2??
I like you specifically because you always mention Sekiro.
I think attack delays as a concept in elden ring are fine in theory but a lot of the bosses take the piss when it comes to how long it takes an attack to execute. Even more damning as u said is 'it's a guessing game'; I wish bosses would indicate through either visual or verbal cues when they'll let off an attack because a lot of the time ull just die and u won't get the chance to even learn the attack. Not to mention a lot of these delayed attacks have unecessarily precise tracking so it often feels like if ur not literally pixel perfect u get punished even if u roll in response to the attack at the right time.
I'm fine with delays but some of the animations looks really goofy and unnatural. Mohg is my favourite boss in the game and one of the reasons is that his delays feel natural to his moveset.
@@trice286 I love it when it's built into the bosses attacks and having it last short enough to not interrupt the flow of the rest of the fight.
I just want to take some seconds to mention how perfect of a game Sekiro is.
I actually think that Dark Souls 3 had easy bosses (not counting dlc which has like what 3 difficult boss: friede, midir and Gael), I was playing a generic sword/shield build and I beat all bosses in less than 5 tries. I'm not even calling myself a try hard or a beast. For me Bloodborne and Elden Ring had the hardest bosses. For the original souls trilogy then it's the og Dark Souls
I was going a Dex build my first DS3 playthrough... With pretty much 0 poise dmg Abyss Watchers handed my ass to me way too often. Same with Pontiff... So maybe the Sword/Shield Combo did you better than my Estoc 😅
Elden ring didn't have the hardest bosses, it had the most bullshit ones. The more I think about that the more I dislike Elden ring. Dont get me wrong I still love it but it rly feels like a DS 2 2 but in the worst sense sometimes. They just moved the ganks power to ridiculous boss propriety's and combos that unless you are a certain distance away you get hit by at least 1 attack
I played the DS3 DLCs after I played through Elden Ring and for whatever reason, I had no big issues with all DLC bosses in DS3. I mean, yes, I died a few times, but not as many as I did against Malenia in Elden Ring or Manus in DS1 or Prince Lothic in the main game of DS3.
@@HiImBQ I'm doing a dagger-only run for my first time on DS3, and my god Abyss Watchers & Pontiff were a brick wall for me. And Sister Friede has been the hardest boss of any of the soulsborne games I've played so far (DeS:R, DS1, DS2, BB, now DS3). People say that Abyss Watchers have low poise so are easy. Not with a dagger that does bugger all poise damage. People say Pontiff is easily parried. Not with no shield or left hand weapon.
I feel like I chose a rough game to challenge myself to daggers only, because the health bars are huge and the bosses deal massive damage. I'm currently on Midir, and while his attacks are pretty easy to dodge, his health bar is just so enormous that it's taking forever to beat him, and that gives me a lot of time to make a mistake.
Slave Knight Gael might be my favourite fight ever though.
Loved the outro
Maybe I’m in the minority here but, I feel Ds3’s bosses other than a few really weren’t that difficult. A boss a lot of buddies had issue with was Aldrich eater of Gwydolin’s ass but he wasn’t that rough imo. His magic absorption was annoying but I had some Pyromanices to even that out.
Midir is hyped as this crazy hard boss but I personally found him surprisingly fair, minus like one or two attacks. I dunno still like Ds3’s bosses a lot but never felt they were the hardest part of the game
Idk it could’ve been cuz DS3 was my first souls game but even when I go back, Midir & Friede give me more trouble than any of the other bosses in the series
@@EmberPlays I started with 1 so, yea but even then I felt the bosses of Ds3 felt like on the same level of difficulty for the other games but were definitely alot more flashy which was cool
aldrich kinda just depends on your build he's crazy resistant to magic but really weak to fire
@@spoon8035 I literally said I had Pyro spells even the fight out T^T
@@spacewizardpip1111 yeah which is probably why he was easy for you
Your outros really help to remember that you're not just a classic Top 10 bot channel but an actual person who cares about making videos.
Thanks :) I really care a lot and work hard for you all to be entertained. Also, I’m very passionate about the souls games so I hope everyone feel that in the vids
I for one loved the delay in Elden Ring only because it made it seem like there was actual weight being the weapon the enemy is holding, rather than an easy weapon or stick to throw around it was like they were actually holding the weapon. Though I agree with certain bosses the flow was a bit broken at times once you got their patterns down
The thing with sekiro is, that most of the time, there's a certain prosthetic tool, certain buff or a certain trick you can use to make a boss easier. I defeated the corrupted monk today, and after trying so many times I decided to spam firecrackers at her, hit her 2 times, pop firecrackers again, hit her 2 times, and so on.... In the end you can just defeat a boss by using tricks or by using the right prosthetic tools. Some bosses aren't that easy to cheese with the firecrackers for example, but some tools can help you deal the right damage at the right time
Sekiro is the only game to mentally break me, I legit game up on headless ape for like 6 months and just couldn’t look at it in steam lol
In the beginning I hated Sekiro... Then I realised that some settings induced a lot of lag.. Well, needless to say, once I was able to parry I loved it. First game ever for me to 100%
The delays were definitely frustrating at first but I’ve actually grown to like these a lot. Morgott, godfrey/hoarah loux, malenia, all bosses I can appreciate now that I’ve beat them
Elden Ring's problem for me isn't the delayed attacks it's the Ash summons mechanic. They skewed the difficulty toward this mechanic without realizing it broke the balance of the game. Either don't use it and face bosses that are constantly spamming AOE attacks or do use them and almost all the bosses become a joke. All that being said I actually like the idea of ash summons, but it needs to be heavily reworked though.
yeah, bosses are made way harder to balance the fact that ashes exist, but sometimes i just wanna duel
a boss like i did with dark souls, but im not good enougth to have a confortable duel with bloated elden ring bosses
Sekiro was the easiest to pick up and play for me as a non souls fan. The faster pace of Bloodborne and Sekiro make them easily my favorites in the series so far. I'm not the most patient of players so a game that forces you to be aggressive and keeps you on your toes is much more enjoyable than feeling like I'm always playing defensively or always waiting on an attack.
The hardest thing about Dark Souls 3 is farming for covenant items offline.. I’m looking at you Proof of a Concord Kept.
It's not difficult, though.
What a strong and heartbreaking outro 😭
Elden ring bosses come in exactly two modes:
1. Your damage+estus+hp+stamina reaches a high enough value that, as long as you get a few second to heal and learn to avoid instant death, you just outlast the boss
2. Your d+e+hp+s is to low, which means that you need to learn the boss perfectly, which is far more difficult than in any previous title because of the delayed attacks and the almost invisible tells
Ultimatly, both are mostly unsatisfying, in the first you do "not get gud" and so dont feel a sense of accomplisment. And if it is the second option you die unsatisfyingly and often. Of course once you mastered the boss it is glorious but until you get to that point... Franky, most people and even I myself rather go exploring somewhere else, then return and turn the boss into a type 1
That’s exactly how I’ve played it. Some bosses would feel almost impossible on first try, then you go explore and level up a good bit, and you come back and beat them in like 3 tries. Kind of annoying but at least the exploration is fun.
@@ohwow9870 yo I stand corrected because of a feature i did not utilise at all for three entire playthroughs: the shield
No longer useless, no longer causing passivity they perfectly fit into that space where you are not sure you should roll already -try them, massively improves most boss fights, especially if you get parry and counterattack down
@@C104-k5m yeah I tried parrying briefly, but I had just come from sekiro before and was used to the immediate parry system in that game, which I like a lot more. If this game had a more sekiro like character movement and parry system I think it would be almost perfect honestly.
For me, even worse than the delayed attacks were bosses/enemies that had insanely quick combos so that 90% of the time if you dodge the first hit the the followup is almost guaranteed to get you. If you get hit then it's a 50/50 shot on whether you can dodge the second or will be stunlocked.
Ds3 bosses are git gud moments? Hardly. I had to gimp my characters for that, because if you don't you get what I've seen from the majority of letsplays: people just face-tanking and/or roll-spamming bosses to death, hardly learning their moves at all. ER late game fixed this by giving the bosses appropriate damage, but didn't fix it all the way because the bosses still don't have enough health.
The delayed attacks really added some extra challenge. A bit frustrating sometimes, but not too bad, I think.
I think the video explains why ER is rather less likely to be "replayable" compared to other souls game imo. Ds3 had some challenging yet fun boss battles, sekiro (personally) had the best boss battles with the fast paced yet easy to understand movesets/patterns, ds1 and 2 had boss/enemy patterns that were easily recognizable but ER... I've played hundreds of hours in it but I still don't really fully get it.
I still play ds3 and sekiro once in a while because of how fun the boss battles are (and have played them repeatedly over and over again) but ER kinda felt overwhelming after a while.
If it's just a first time thing, then yes I'd say that ER is the best souls game that fromsoft has made but I'd consider it the worst when it comes to ng+ (asides from maybe ds2)
I think Elden Ring and Sekiro have the least replayability of all the games to be honest. Once you get the combat down, you just need to experiment a little with the skills and shinobi tools, but beating bosses is the same 95% of the time. A lot of your stuff carries over to NG+ in Elden Ring making dungeons, ruins, heros graves, mini bosses useless to fight again, unless you want to power stance 2 boss weapons.
Dark souls 1 - undoubtedly the hardest part - getting to the 2nd Anor Londo bonfire - before Super Londo Bros - when the two silver knight archers shoot great arrows at you while you're sprinting across a narrow arch which connects the sides of the building on both of which you have barely enough space for a fart to squeeze through, no railings, and if you get hit - you fall, you die.
I’ve never understood why people hate elden rings delayed and varied attack times, other than, (“it’s completely random and impossible to tell, it’s so unfair🤓”). Most attacks, while hard to get down due to the delayed, are almost always telegraphed, and I don’t mean to sound like your average “git gud” comment, but if you can’t see the telegraphs or predict the timings based on how they swing, then that’s your fault. It’s definitely not a guessing game, otherwise I wouldn’t be able to walk into a new boss fight, that I haven’t done before and still be able to dodge most attacks.
favorite part of this video has to be the outro, perfection
I'm relatively new to these games. I've tried ds3 several times and would rage quit. Then i eventually played and beat demons souls. The save points, loss of half your health, and only having two rings sucked.
I'm on ds3 now. I just beat the twin princes. Them and the pontiff gave me the most trouble, and the twins teleporting on you from the ceiling is the height of cheap bullshit. But i got through it.
I see tough but fair bandied about a lot by souls vets. Tough? Obviously. Fair? When enemies can one shot you through various geometry, including walls, that's not what i would call fair.
And don't get me started on toxic swamps.
So do i like ds3? Yes. Am i having fun? Honestly, I'm not always sure lol
As someone who didn't play the games in the genre before Elden Ring, I really enjoyed delayed attacks and long combos, it punished me for roll spamming and for just guessing at what attack timings felt appropriate. I always felt like I had to sit up and carefully learn the fight and then the rhythm of each fight becomes apparent. Sometimes Ashes do help ofc but they often cause bosses to behave unpredictably so I found myself using them against bosses who gave me trouble because my build wasn't good into them.
I think this comparison of complexity is completely meaningless. These games can offer countless variations of the individual gaming experience for each player, starting with the character's construction, damage, defense and the amount of consumable materials, ending with the experience of the player himself and the ability to anticipate situations.
Sekiro gets me when it throws enemies that you're not meant to parry or counter (giants etc) like you're supposed to forget everything you learnt and go back to ds rolling
Your description of the difference of demons souls to the other games is perfect. I'd played every game in the series except for demons souls until a couple days ago. And man I felt pampered after playing demons souls, I was like holy crap they give you bonfires like candy in DS1 compared to this. You get 4 bonfires in the first 20 minutes in DS1 compared to no bonfire for the first couple hours of demons souls and only one per area. It was that immediate "holy crap how did people even manage to get through this back in the day if this was their first exposure".
I've done a lot of thinking about that sort of stuff the whole time playing demons souls. I mean I got hit with it right out the gate because the first small ledge that I came up to in the tutorial area I tried jumping completely out of muscle memory I picked up in sekiro and elden ring.
But that reaction of "we like it that way". That's pretty much been my reaction to all that stuff in demons souls. Me going holy crap is this hard, but holy crap does it feel good to be terrified by a souls game again. The enemies themselves aren't the issue as their ai is so easy to cheese, but it's the unknown factor of not understanding anything. Like you are talking I Speedran the entire zone up to the red knight 5 times, not killing any enemies, then getting one shot by the knight, before I finally decided to go search around and stumbled on the shortcut. Oh and the fact I was getting one shot... I figured out the game pulled a fast one on me. I picked barbarian and my armor is literally useless. I did that horrible thing and assumed it was this games equivalent of the bandit in DS1 for doing a strength build, it is but is also a deprived lol.
Your reviews make me realize how perfect Bloodborne is. Because everything you criticize, I'm just "nah ... I like that"
Never knew i’d feel joy when hearing that Majula music 😖 it’s so eerie yet calming ..
Ember claims he doesn’t do outro’s but he’s really got the best in the business
The outro was the best part of the vid! Well done, sir!
Thx ;)
oh gosh the pacing of DS1 was what made me love it so much, i was able to move through the whole thing slowly and methodically on a micro and macro scale, bloodborne is kicking my ass in comparison because i have to be on top of things at all times
I thought this would just be the hardest section of each souls game, but I’m glad it was an analysis of the overall design differences in each game instead, I think it’s cooler
The outros on your channel are truly top notch.
Thank you, I try
Started on Elden Ring and didn't know the delays were new. Going through DSR now and I'm quite satisfied with how far watching their hands for movement is getting me
“Does anyone else remember feeling pure joy from hearing reindeer names” good times now it’s just nostalgia but man the bliss of being a kid ❤
You should definitely do the evolution of boss runs throughout the series!
best outro ever
“Hard to blame game mechanics” right after the titanite demon clips through the pillar
The hardest for me was hearing Priscilla tell me to leave even though I was trying to simp for that tail
The delay of Margit´s hits is criminal, after finishing the game, I still think he is one of the most complicated bosses in Elden Ring.
I’m in love with the elden ring combat rn cuz you have to feel each boss out and determine what would be the best attack pattern for you to use based off of there’s and go out into the open world become godly yourself and try again with moves you found specifically for the boss your trying to beat it’s fucking great
I kept complaining to my friend about the delayed attacks in Elden Ring. At a certain point I thought it was just me and that I sucked. Glad to know this was an intentional thing they added for difficulty.
One of your best outros yet, it was beautiful.
I try I try
If no one has said it, yes. Do the evolution of boss runs. I wanna see it 🙌🏼
6:32 - The jump button was the same as the roll button in Dark Souls 1 and it wasn't a problem for you then
I almost just about instantly threw my laptop after seeing that Blue Smelter Demon tunnel
great outro
Definitely agree Sekiro is the hardest to learn but easiest to master. I think why the initial learning curve is so hard is for two reasons:.
1: Regardless of what people say it's a soulslike game and your muscle memory fights you. You have to unlearn the RPG style of the other games to play Sekiro correctly.
2. Because its combat is so specific the only way to win is to do exactly what it asks of you. And in the other games there is much more variety in tactics that you end up winning based more on your style. Which is easier to learn bc it has more flexibility.
Sekiro forces you to adapt to what it wants and that rigidity can be hard to learn. But once you do, it's also what makes it easier and you always know exactly how to beat a boss.
And there are less unpredictable or "unfair" factors the other games have for bosses who need to compensate for a variety of play styles.
You also don't really have to worry about leveling, bc while there are stat increases it's significantly less than the other games and there's no armor or weapon types to worry about, so generally you can assume you're exactly the strength you need to be.
The hardest most annoying thing in dark souls 2 was the weapon durability. 7-10 hits and that shit breaks.
Elden Ring was my first souls game and I died ALOT at first but I soon realized the combat system with this Elden Ring and God Of War (2018) weren't that different so that helped me learn and adapt to the moves and exactly how to counter.