Finding the perfect balance for a PVP MMO can be a downhill slope right out of the gate these days, but this system seemed to be one of the most fair I've come across. Very interested to see what people think when it comes these types of games and if you would be more comfortable with a system like this or another. Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction 00:09 - The Bane Of The PVP MMO Genre 00:49 - How Gloria Victis Differs 01:36 - Regular Sieges 01:46 - The Siege Events (Non-Loot PVP Events) 02:36 - Valley Of Death Battlegrounds 02:41 - PVE Events (PVPVE) 02:58 - The Point System (Gloria Victis Loot System Instead Of Full Loot) 04:27 - Final Thoughts
To be honest, some people still back out of fights because they're scared to lose gear. I do think it'd be a lot worse if it was full loot or similar... The current system still has risk/reward but not too much risk that it paralyses people.
I remember you mentioning on stream that it might be cool to see instanced housing, I would pay for furniture to decorate them with. 100% housing of any kind would be perfect.
Yeah, GV is really fair when it comes to getting looted. If you're a bit strategic with what you're carrying around in dangerous places you can pretty much avoid losing stuff that's very valuable to you.
I find this system currently the most convenient and balanced from all PVP MMO's I've encountered so far. Also you can always switch your gear for cheaper one using Deposit (bank) before heading out in the danger zone for some adventures :)
A good description of the loot system and the way it works. Nice video here! Just a little clarification, the timer starts the second you fall down. Each time you get looted, you can't lose more than one piece of armor or weapon, regardless of the tier, and a stack of up to 100 (although they can loot more stacks if they don't loot your armor / weapons). Having played old school hardcore games, like Darkfall, I will agree that the GV system is more fair, striking a pretty good mix between hard core loot and completely loot free.
this game is very fun to play whit friends, the combat sistem are very good, but one think I see in this game is about the new guys they need to be guided for a old player or they only goin to die and get looted get fustrate and ending lose the desire to play the game, but the good thing a bout this problem is have a lot of player enjoying guided the new players and trained them
Though I enjoyed my devoted years playing Darkfall 1 & 2 (hardcore open-world PvP), I do support an in-game system to moderate a) the loot / gear you lose or gear you can save, and b) means for players to evade "red" areas or take cover (not risk free all the time though). So I won't complain that Gloria Victus moderates the consequences of PvP. I tried Mortal Online 2 recently, and it is just too easy for anti-social ganking for my taste, where the wolves have it too easy and new players have little to no means of evading a quick death and full lose of everything gathered. On the other side, New World failed to create more fear and challenge by making it a safe world if you wish.
If someone is just not into PvP at all, is there still enough in the game to do that it'd be worth their time and money to try it out? It does look interesting ...
Yeah you'd be fine. There's plenty to do without the PvP. He mentioned it a bit but there's PVE events like sea wraith and frontier, other ones that pop frequently everyday that you can teleport to. But there's also a lot of group/solo events in the open world. You'll see them as icons on your map. The life skill system gives you stuff to do as well. Weaponsmithing/armoring/engineering/Herb/cooking and many more, with gathering professions to boot including excavation and fishing. But even with all of this, the game could do with some more/different types of PvE that can be solo based and repeatable.
@@fatherdeacon Thank you for the breakdown. I've decided to get the game since it's on sale and does look interesting. Finding time to play it will be a challenge but I'm looking forward to giving it a go based on the things you pointed out. Much appreciated!
The character level doesnt matter for the looting mechanic, its the same for everyone. The first 40 level you are marked as a newcomer and enemies wont gain nation points(points for leveling up the guild and rankings) when killing you. So if you loose a fight they will sometimes even avoid looting you and keep fighting instead because they can see its not worth looting a newcomer.
If you're a deer you wouldn't come back to the same place for a while if you heard a gunshot in the area. Not exactly the best analogy but if you're a player and show up to the same place again after dying and being looted (firstly without replacing the piece you lost) and aren't being supported by anyone else in your faction to ensure you don't die again then that's kinda on you. In this game you'd have to put in some effort to show up and die in the same place twice after being killed and looted the first time, you have the choice of respawning back to your capital alongside the nearest respawn points that are usually protected until you leave them/tp out so this situation is more unlikely.
@@voldiemoldieman Seems you have played this game not too long. Otherwise you shoud know that you can respawn at the same spawn point until it hasn't been captured. In anotherwords you may spawn at your spawn area when enemies are trying to break through the doors.
@@EykisCorporation Yes but you have to voluntarily choose to walk off the platform that separates you and the attackers lol. If they're attacking your castle and you spawn there the area you spawn is completely cut off from anyone that could get to you unless you walk off of it. That area is fully protected. And why would you do that if you just lost a piece of gear, let alone if the battle is lost? No regular castle is that important. State of War definitely but you should have backup gear at that point or you'll have guildies to help supply you back armor considering you would be defending a guild territory. Would make sense for you to be in that guild or an allied guild. But even as a random they'd probably help replace your gear if you showed up to defend. EDIT: You have to mentally and physically jump through hoops for this to ever happen a second time. If it does that just means you did something dumb.
@@voldiemoldieman When you loose a battle 1v1 but you know you may win. You are respawning at your flag trying to save it, but suddenly enemy got a reinforcement. That's all.
@@EykisCorporation Lol no you are not. Because you'd be spawning without a chestpiece or leggings. You realize that in the time it takes you to respawn they have plenty of time to swipe a piece of your gear right? Considering when you respawn it gets rid of your body.
You really don't need to. GV is pretty easy to have fun in during prime time. Log in --> either join a siege event or a party with many people --> get to where they are and fight with them. You can get into action within 10 minutes typically.
There is no need for hope, crafting here is already quite rich, complex and takes a long time to max anything out. You can also have and max every profession, there are no restrictions.
But... New World is even more safe and it works.. so loot is realy not in need.. sorry.. So here are indicators.. safe zones etc.. what these means.. it means loot sux.. :)
I just started GV and i really dislike the looting, even its “fair”. I just dont see the point of it, other then rubbing salt in the wound when killed. Like i just spent 2 days of playtime farming for bandages and a awesome sword. Then some guy killed me and took both. It should be a toggle, that makes you lootable, but also rewards for glory/xp/farming mats. It reminds of New world. They had a pvp looting system. All it did was causing fricktion between players. Experienced players farmed new players.
Could someone please explain why 90% of modern mmorpgs look like they were made in the early 2000s? Dogwater graphics and clunky mechanics, I cant believe its already 2022 and the best mmorpg PvP experiences I had were in vanilla WoW and New World Beta....
Game it's dead, broken no content just waste of time not even mention about an engine. Mention devs playing in guilds and banning opposite guild members.
*Bruhh I am going to be honest -- this game looks like Dogshit.* *Graphics looks like it's early from early 2000s, Combat looks scuffed and boring.* *The Game systems are pretty much designed for Griefers and Toxic gameplay.* *Game will probably offer Some moments of joy for big Guilds, but everyone else will farmed.*
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Finding the perfect balance for a PVP MMO can be a downhill slope right out of the gate these days, but this system seemed to be one of the most fair I've come across.
Very interested to see what people think when it comes these types of games and if you would be more comfortable with a system like this or another.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
00:09 - The Bane Of The PVP MMO Genre
00:49 - How Gloria Victis Differs
01:36 - Regular Sieges
01:46 - The Siege Events (Non-Loot PVP Events)
02:36 - Valley Of Death Battlegrounds
02:41 - PVE Events (PVPVE)
02:58 - The Point System (Gloria Victis Loot System Instead Of Full Loot)
04:27 - Final Thoughts
I tend not to mind as long as its easy to replace your gear.
To be honest, some people still back out of fights because they're scared to lose gear.
I do think it'd be a lot worse if it was full loot or similar... The current system still has risk/reward but not too much risk that it paralyses people.
I remember you mentioning on stream that it might be cool to see instanced housing, I would pay for furniture to decorate them with. 100% housing of any kind would be perfect.
new world style. i was just thinking about this
Housing system incoming
Yeah, GV is really fair when it comes to getting looted. If you're a bit strategic with what you're carrying around in dangerous places you can pretty much avoid losing stuff that's very valuable to you.
I find this system currently the most convenient and balanced from all PVP MMO's I've encountered so far. Also you can always switch your gear for cheaper one using Deposit (bank) before heading out in the danger zone for some adventures :)
Just get rid of the loot on death all together and im in. Is there even rewards for pvp other than other peoples loot ?
So I saw it was 7 bucks and decided to give it a try and wow, you can make some pretty hot female characters. I approve :)
Just finished your last livestream for GV, right on time :)
A good description of the loot system and the way it works. Nice video here!
Just a little clarification, the timer starts the second you fall down. Each time you get looted, you can't lose more than one piece of armor or weapon, regardless of the tier, and a stack of up to 100 (although they can loot more stacks if they don't loot your armor / weapons). Having played old school hardcore games, like Darkfall, I will agree that the GV system is more fair, striking a pretty good mix between hard core loot and completely loot free.
this game is very fun to play whit friends, the combat sistem are very good, but one think I see in this game is about the new guys they need to be guided for a old player or they only goin to die and get looted get fustrate and ending lose the desire to play the game, but the good thing a bout this problem is have a lot of player enjoying guided the new players and trained them
I was surprised to read that this is actually being made on the Unity engine. Love that one.
nice broooo Matt Kerrigan here :D
Best strat is to fill your inventory with so much junk that people have an aneurysm trying to find your good gear ;)
That would fuck me over 100%
Y'all mad Mexicans fuk your daughters ;O). Why do you think you can smile you ugly faqqot?
Well personally I tried this and I didn't really have any idea what to do early game or how to level best.
Probably spamming instanced duel arena, you get nice xp even when loosing and allows you quickly adapt to the combat system of the game.
Just do the starter quests. They'll teach you the game mechanics and help you level up your char
This is cool info me n a buddy bought the game during steam sale and were worried about venturing out yet
Though I enjoyed my devoted years playing Darkfall 1 & 2 (hardcore open-world PvP), I do support an in-game system to moderate a) the loot / gear you lose or gear you can save, and b) means for players to evade "red" areas or take cover (not risk free all the time though). So I won't complain that Gloria Victus moderates the consequences of PvP. I tried Mortal Online 2 recently, and it is just too easy for anti-social ganking for my taste, where the wolves have it too easy and new players have little to no means of evading a quick death and full lose of everything gathered. On the other side, New World failed to create more fear and challenge by making it a safe world if you wish.
The PVP looks really nice, but how bad is the grind?
People claim you can max lvl in a day, casuals withing month, it goes pretty fast and you get XP even when loosing a duel or pvp event :)
@@Shrewrich I doubt in a day, but you can easily do it in a couple of weeks.
Why were they saying 999 in chat around 4 minutes? Is that to let people know you died?
yes, is for help the medic to find you more fast too (for the revive)
There is also a command if you wanna ask for medics which highlights your player icon. 999 is the old way getting medics attention
@@tono7472 Which is why I find it weird that it's still so common. For me being a medic it's easier to go by the highlights from the according command
If you aren't looting billets, are you even looting?
If someone is just not into PvP at all, is there still enough in the game to do that it'd be worth their time and money to try it out? It does look interesting ...
Yeah you'd be fine. There's plenty to do without the PvP. He mentioned it a bit but there's PVE events like sea wraith and frontier, other ones that pop frequently everyday that you can teleport to.
But there's also a lot of group/solo events in the open world. You'll see them as icons on your map.
The life skill system gives you stuff to do as well. Weaponsmithing/armoring/engineering/Herb/cooking and many more, with gathering professions to boot including excavation and fishing.
But even with all of this, the game could do with some more/different types of PvE that can be solo based and repeatable.
@@fatherdeacon Thank you for the breakdown. I've decided to get the game since it's on sale and does look interesting. Finding time to play it will be a challenge but I'm looking forward to giving it a go based on the things you pointed out. Much appreciated!
I've never seen that valley of death map before what the heck!?
They introduced new ones quite recently
So does that gear thing apply if you are a low level or could they loot like 3 pieces of yours?
The character level doesnt matter for the looting mechanic, its the same for everyone. The first 40 level you are marked as a newcomer and enemies wont gain nation points(points for leveling up the guild and rankings) when killing you. So if you loose a fight they will sometimes even avoid looting you and keep fighting instead because they can see its not worth looting a newcomer.
But nothing protects you from dying 2 times in the same unprotected area and loose 2 expensive armor parts after being looted.
If you're a deer you wouldn't come back to the same place for a while if you heard a gunshot in the area. Not exactly the best analogy but if you're a player and show up to the same place again after dying and being looted (firstly without replacing the piece you lost) and aren't being supported by anyone else in your faction to ensure you don't die again then that's
kinda on you. In this game you'd have to put in some effort to show up and die in the same place twice after being killed and looted the first time, you have the choice of
respawning back to your capital alongside the nearest respawn points that are usually protected until you leave them/tp out so this situation is more unlikely.
@@voldiemoldieman Seems you have played this game not too long. Otherwise you shoud know that you can respawn at the same spawn point until it hasn't been captured. In anotherwords you may spawn at your spawn area when enemies are trying to break through the doors.
@@EykisCorporation Yes but you have to voluntarily choose to walk off the platform that separates you and the attackers lol. If they're attacking your castle and you spawn there the area you spawn is completely cut off from anyone that could get to you unless you walk off of it. That area is fully protected.
And why would you do that if you just lost a piece of gear, let alone if the battle is lost? No regular castle is that important. State of War definitely but you should have backup gear at that point or you'll have guildies to help supply you back armor considering you would be defending a guild territory. Would make sense for you to be in that guild or an allied guild.
But even as a random they'd probably help replace your gear if you showed up to defend.
EDIT: You have to mentally and physically jump through hoops for this to ever happen a second time. If it does that just means you did something dumb.
@@voldiemoldieman When you loose a battle 1v1 but you know you may win. You are respawning at your flag trying to save it, but suddenly enemy got a reinforcement. That's all.
@@EykisCorporation Lol no you are not. Because you'd be spawning without a chestpiece or leggings. You realize that in the time it takes you to respawn they have plenty of time to swipe a piece of your gear right? Considering when you respawn it gets rid of your body.
I’m going to get this game tomorrow 👍
Why have player item looting? Only makes solo beginner players quit or not even try the game.
Darkfall was the best game ever imo and could've/should've been better.
Vids on fire, keep it up.
Great game, join Midland nation on Eaglewood server! :)
i normally don't play pvp mmos because I don't have time to play 12 hours a day. Same with survivals.
You really don't need to. GV is pretty easy to have fun in during prime time. Log in --> either join a siege event or a party with many people --> get to where they are and fight with them.
You can get into action within 10 minutes typically.
this all true, especially when he said faction members will replace the gear you lost. i like that about the community, and been playing ever since.
I hope this game has a decent amount of stuff for crafters to do. That would be another good thing for them to make sure they improve on.
There is no need for hope, crafting here is already quite rich, complex and takes a long time to max anything out. You can also have and max every profession, there are no restrictions.
I'll second that. I've always enjoyed the crafting in this game.
ismir for life!!
But... New World is even more safe and it works.. so loot is realy not in need.. sorry.. So here are indicators.. safe zones etc.. what these means.. it means loot sux.. :)
On the right track with not going partial or full loot. But the game needs more content.
I just started GV and i really dislike the looting, even its “fair”. I just dont see the point of it, other then rubbing salt in the wound when killed. Like i just spent 2 days of playtime farming for bandages and a awesome sword. Then some guy killed me and took both. It should be a toggle, that makes you lootable, but also rewards for glory/xp/farming mats.
It reminds of New world. They had a pvp looting system. All it did was causing fricktion between players. Experienced players farmed new players.
Oh man, for Darkfall even in some of the safe zones you could be ganged on if I remember. Killing people at the bank was a hotspot.
this game needs some pve raids, would bring in a ton of players I bet.
what if they did like a helms deep skirmish like from LOTRO
@@JunkieBoii that would be great fun👍
Game needs more players pick it up its worth the price
One lf the best games if you are into realism and rpg/survival vibe
Could someone please explain why 90% of modern mmorpgs look like they were made in the early 2000s? Dogwater graphics and clunky mechanics, I cant believe its already 2022 and the best mmorpg PvP experiences I had were in vanilla WoW and New World Beta....
It's just too contrived.
Thank you for that. I wanted to be sure it was a PvP game so I could avoid it.
NEED MORE MINIGAMES for the tavern. Give us poker or blackjack!
Game it's dead, broken no content just waste of time not even mention about an engine. Mention devs playing in guilds and banning opposite guild members.
I will never play a pvp mmo.
afraid to lose?
@@Siegbert85 nope, I just don't like pvp. I like to play MMORPGs.
boo looter MMOs
*Bruhh I am going to be honest -- this game looks like Dogshit.*
*Graphics looks like it's early from early 2000s, Combat looks scuffed and boring.*
*The Game systems are pretty much designed for Griefers and Toxic gameplay.*
*Game will probably offer Some moments of joy for big Guilds, but everyone else will farmed.*