@@masterzombie161 lol I watched some highlights from that live adaptation, I really doubt they thought they could live up to the MP100 animation by Bones studio, just a cash grab
The problem is as simple as: You can't expect animated character movements to work with true actors, or try to replicate an animated aesthetic 1-1 in a real set, because animation is a completely different media it's like expecting motorcycle wheels to work in a car
I'm agree whit you can't expect that the adaptation looks just like the anime but, if you know that don't try to make it or will end like the cats movie, just adapt the essence of each character in a more realistic outfit and movements, like marvel did whit their characters
Cause they simply try to replicate the type of animation which can’t work like some movement in animated shows won’t look as appealing or similar in real life he should have just run regularly tbh
@@trek7985 i watched the entire trailer and it was nothing like cowboy bebop. this aint a adaptation its a completely different thing. it was extremely goofy and cheesy. which is something you dont expect from cowboy bebop. They have no idea what there doing and they probably havent even watched the original. And if they did they have absolutely no understanding of it.
@@Floridamangaming729 In interviews with the cast, they brought in the original creator of Bebop as a consultant and ran everything by him. They tried to make it as faithful to the original as possible. There is also no way this cast has not seen Bebop. There are some things that just are not translatable from one medium of animation to another medium of live-action. To me, as long as the spirit of Cowboy Bebop is captured with the best possible execution of it, I will take it. Based on this versus how Death Note came out, you can totally tell that Netflix learned their lesson.
Either that or they just completely didn’t understand that you can get that effect by chopping the frame rate and then speeding it back up. You also have to get it on a treadmill on a green screen but nah just let him run awkward in place it’ll be fine
I think because the actors are slower also they're not as flexible? as the anime. Their movement also seems little bit sluggish, not very smooth. Not the kind of movement that they used to do for year and years. But just trained recently.
@@networknomad5600 I feel more like a tribute for the show being asian. Since Cowboy Bebop tributes a lot of western shows with references they did the same in the opening throwing signs everywhere the show is originally japanese.
Yea but the editing isn't as tight as the original so it feels super off. Plus some of the movements feel half ass, like the triple gun shooting part... Could have had the actors make more impactful movements or shoot a simulated firearm
One thing I love about the Original OP is they didn’t follow the cliche of put all the plot hint and all side characters in it, just create an atmosphere around the main characters. and makes you wonder how this show would go, encouraging you to keep following their adventures. It’s a quite unique experience even in those Japan animate production.
The silent sadness mixed with such a bombastic song was such a great contrast. With characters characters smiling and acting, and action going on, it ruins that.
See, in netflix teaser they probably had to put major characters, so that the audience can get a glimps of what they have done, netflix also knows what fans of the serues are expecting, so they went all out to ensure that they have done to meet their expectations, and as a teaser this looks clean.
Why does the Netflix intro look like an intro for a porn parody of this anime? It's so weird looking at this version of the same opening knowing damn well how good the original is.
@@janpribyla9817 imagine how difficult it would be for her actress to to wear the outfit and perform at the same time. I'm pretty sure if it was accurate it would be impossible for her to move, while trying to do stunts.
John cho is an incredibly talented actor and artist but I think some one in the younger range area should’ve played Spike, seeing as he is age 27 and John cho is already about to be 50 year old man. But never the less I’m sure he’ll be damn good!
The Netflix show's intro makes me think that the way they're stylizing everything has a blend of 70s Blacksploitation & cop films & how some live action Japanese films & TV shows are shot, as well as thinks like the Yakuza games. I'm completely up for that kinda vibe as long as the writing & performances are good & on-point.
@@DuoMaxwell007 I didn't catch that vibe from the anime. More of a homage to martial arts and cyber punk to me, with heavy moments of philosophy connected to identity.
@@calmexit6483 the guy with the afro Spike fought? Looked Pretty blaxploitation to me. All the Syndicate members in their suits bowing in 2 straight lines to Vicious? Looked pretty Yakuzaish to me
Dudes, those things on the intro are all in the original (Blacksploitation, Triad, bloody couple, etc) It's like straight taken from them, just modified a little Edit: even Mad Pierrot is there
@@DuoMaxwell007 You're talking about individual episodes that paid homage to types of films, genres, etc. I'm talking an overall tone. The anime is more Neo-Noir & Sci-Fi. The live action show seems to be embracing more genres at once, which I'm all for.
One of the main struggles I feel like in adapting cowboy Bebop to live action is cowboy Bebop had such a very unique dynamic flow in its character movements which just does not translate to live action. You can argue that that's because it's anime and this is live action but those movements were a part of the driving story I feel like.
That's because they used live action footage as reference for animating the characters, while exagerating their movement in just the right ways to make them feel more impactful while still natural. Cowboy Bebop's animation keeps a foot in realism, the animation and charicature is never pushed too far unless the visual storytelling needs it to be pushed too far. I think they should've replicated the feel of the original OP instead of trying to recreate it, just keep the visual style and editing style, I think it would've been better.
@@sohaibmalik6846 Let me guess, someone is trying to act like a psychologist. But that someone is not even close to the level of being an academic. (See how easy this is?) BTW I hadn't realized I needed to go to film school to notice that a character's movements are awkward. You learn something new every day.
@@ashwinnair1092 First of all I said, only of you had focused on details like this while studying in school, I said nothing about film school, that's what mental unstability made.you think. Another thing, I meant you don't even know the difference between live action and animated, live action means real humans, animated means, CGI characters. Just because your last brain cell cannot differentiate between it, it's not Netflix's fault. Don't act like some professional, Netflix, actors, producers, intro maker, comic/novel writer and me really don't care about your comment. As you can see your criticism is worthless. Plus there is always a civil war. Winx Club and The Witcher fans said the same thing, and guess what they still watched it, and when season 2 will release, they will pretend to hate it, but will watch it anyway. As you can see, studio controls your entertainment. Not you. Plus this generation don't care damn about 2d animated stuff, for them 2d animation is trash. Just because you are in your 60s, doesn't mean everyone is.
While not a copy of the OG intro, I understand what the creators of the live-action 'Cowboy Bebop' wanted to do within the intro. I'm leaning to enjoying the animé intro more.
Nemec does consider this Cowboy Bebop, premiering on Netflix this Nov. 19, to be "an expansion to the canon, " in that the show will "add things" to the mythos. "We got under the skin of who the live- action characters were going to be, " he adds. "I think that the poetic nature of the anime absolutely allowed for us to mine the archetypal nature of the characters and dig out deeper histories that we wanted to explore - and answer some of the questions that the anime leaves you with. I think to just redo the anime will leave an audience hungry for something that they already saw. The anime did an amazing job. We don't need to serve the exact same meal. I think it would have been disappointing if we did."
"The work, which becomes a new genre itself, will be called... COWBOY BEBOP". This one line says it all. The anime is a perfect irony, a seamless blend of humor and tragedy that resulted in class and sass minus the cringe. Its the very nature of its story being predictably unpredictable and the added mystery of its nuances that gave the show its charm. Unfortunately, the live action lacked that charm as per this opening. It just gave away too much information that you can't expect the unexpected anymore.
I think part of the reason the Netflix one looks so god awful is primarily because the frame rate varies across three or four elements on screen at a single time, while the original is all the same, even during the simulated slow shutter speed bits which are weirdly not replicated, which is partly why the gunshot closeups look so weak...aside from the revolver which just doesn't have any recoil, nor does the hammer move on the thing (fuck, now I just noticed the front-on shots of the guns are completely CGI with badly rigged stock hand models jammed into them). I'm seeing live action footage shot at possibly something higher than 24fps (the TH-cam video displays at 24fps so I can't tell but can guess), some other live action and CGI footage at exactly 24fps, but then 2D animated elements that vary between maybe 10fps and 12fps. If I had to guess why it's because a whole lot of it is assembled from lots of different shoots, all of which are done by different cinematographers. And some of those shots are fuck ugly high shutter speed, harshly lit, narrow aperture moments, which are most definitely not the jazzy, noir-y look that Cowboy Bebop should have. Now things feel over detailed, cheap, and moodless more often than not, including a couple of bits that might be from costume tests or a purposely done shoot. So you have a bunch of disparate shots and animations, layered on top of one another with varying frame rates, aesthetic styles, and all processed differently all at the same time...sitting next to probably the greatest anime credits sequence ever. The first shot of Spike lighting a smoke is: -the yellow Saul Bass bars at 24fps -a very dimly lit, soft live action shot of him with motion blur thanks to slow shutter speed at 24fps -a totally contrasting keying and animation effect on top of that that is SUPER crisp around his head and hair; no lens focus effect on top to blend it with the background a bit, nor motion blur to match the live action footage's movement -that seems to be above 24fps because his head/hair is an unchanging tweened vector rather than a hand animated drawing, or just his real head/hair keyed out for some reason -but his back arm, while also black, seems to be the original footage the whole way through because there IS a lens focus effect there; guess his hair was too hard to key out -an exhale of smoke in a different animation style that is sub-12fps and is a combination of hand animation and a couple of digital moves that repeat frames of the clouds -scrolling background text that is 24fps or higher -film grain/ISO noise isn't uniform across each element either; look at it in lower resolution and the compression will blend it better After that, almost every shot has some of these weird discrepancies. The worst are shots that show extracts from different episodes, so one side of the screen will have different focal depth, shutter speed, grain, and overall style than the other side, with animated elements in between that are at a varying frame rate. And the thing is, the original has varied frame rates too in a couple moments, but either has each clip play on alternating frames to make it feel smoother, or just lets one element animate at a time, on top of having a singular grain/noise on top that blends it further. This looks so shockingly cheap and unplanned. For so many elements to look so vastly different tells me there's no style guide to the series, and not enough care to purpose-shoot/animate elements for the titles, leading to all of these really jarring clashes of style and frame rates.
Great analysis. The few existing shots from episodes and some of the casting choices also give off a very, very cheap vibe to them. Seems like they're just going for the money on this one but why should I be surprised.
People kept saying the netflix opening looked good and I just didnt fcking see it the same way. They should've just turned everyone into silhouettes instead of having them awkwardly staring back at the viewer
Now in side by side comparison I notice 2 things immediately: -Original seems way more detailed (weird as it's animated) -Original seems much more dynamic (the pace is not in slo-mo like state as in live action at times)
The editing and timing matches the rhythm of the song in the original intro. As it would with a Jazz piece, which the Netflix series is totally not going to get at all.
@@ciello___8307 The problem I'm seeing is though: it is MUCH easier to have a highly detailed live video as opposed to the animation where every additional details attached would increase workload exponentially. (bit less in terms of model animation done in cg but it's not case here). So by default one can expect live action footage to be more detailed than animation. Here it is somehow not the case. As to movement: surely enough animation has upper-hand here in terms of 'what can be done' as it only depends on skill and imagination. But in terms of fluidity of that movement I imagine it's pretty much equal in terms of what can be done depending on a skill of editor and in case of animation - mid frame animators. I have nothing against fluidity in fact but... why is it so much in slo-mo? It's as if I was replaying 1st Max Payne and fighting kicked in so everything went into bullet time. It's fine idea when a lot is happening but it's not necessarily fine idea in intro, especially when it does not really much with up-beat fast paced music in the background. Sadly all of that 'can' be explained with either laziness or inability (on many levels including fast paced movements ability on actors side) and while it is not necessarily just that- the inkling of that thought is worrisome.
@@rizkyhidayah1370 you... literally make no sense here. It is very common for adaptations of works to be way more detailed than originals depending on a style and structure. Good example are in fact live adaptations where the 'HD' of real life footage leans whole spectrum into 'more detail'. Only examples where adaptations were less detailed than original that I can think from top of my head were "Teen Titans GO!" and "Thundercats Roar". In live action: "Ghost in the Shell" maintained about same amount of detail, "Dragon Balls" was more detailed but... actually to the detriment of the project, while "Alita: Battle Angel" wasway more detailed than original (which is achievement as once again it is old school sci-fi manga and anime, and those did excel at amount of the detail in general)
hahaha no, come on dude seriously? You're completely missing the point here The opening is not that, or rather it is what small brained people would come to assume, like you
Netflix: "Everybody loves Cowboy Bebop so we should..." Everyone: "Get the rights to the sho-" Netflix: *MAKE A LIVE ACTION REMAKE* Edit: They've actually gotten the rights to the show now so this comment aged like milk lol
@@MuhammedChand agreed! (as long as they keep the same dub va) but honestly, i think it's ok if they lean into the goofiness of Bebop because it really has both and the fans enjoy the goof but only talk about the seriousness and both make each other work. that said, this opener has the most speed racer energy of anything besides the movie. different era of anime guys.
Showed my mom the two intros, and she said the one on the right is more enticing even if its a cartoon. Said it looked sad or like noir almost. I have to agree, the Netflix intro is brighter and less dark, feels less mature as well.
The live action just doesn't fit well into the anime asthetic either, compared to the original where the movements feel really precise and sharp, Netflix feels really jarring and like a low budget fan film. Ofc maybe that's the style they're going for but still I'm not a fan of it. Will have to see how the final product turns out
I hope this version is more like a teaser that's a work in progress. I think the Netflix intro can still be improved, like Spike's running(that's just me), or the feel/mood overall. And lowkey kinda hate how they put like scenes which is a bit of a mini spoiler for the show. Not really hopeful, but I wish they can still edit it a bit
Ok the running on spike, make Cho run like hell, record it, don't slow it down, make him run like he would naturally run fast, same goes with Jet, don't slow him down and show it in full motion,everything else is fine, you see it's the little things.
Haha I wrote the same comment on the official video on Facebook, that Spike running looks awkward in my opinion, as well as the Faye scene, when she starts to moving as if the director said : now, action!
Maybe we're expecting too much. Real people can't duplicate everything that animated characters do. They just can't. Still, the live action into does show Two things: 1. That they will be offering something a little different from what fans are expecting. That is, they won't/can't follow the anime frame for frame, so they changed a few things and showed the reality of live actors doing things in place of how the animated characters did them. They're letting you know what to expect from the start. 2. They will continue to have much of what we're familiar with. They did that by featuring characters in the intro from the anime's storyline we all know and love. You recognized them, right? It's meant to connect the anime, and you, with this version. Just a thought. haha
I'm wondering that too, Ed's not really the most important character on the show, but still plays a important role, more crucial towards the end of the anime, if they want to somewhat follow the original plot, they must keep Ed
Because by drawing you know that each drawing corresponds to a certain second and therefore you can make it correspond perfectly with the corresponding second of the music. If there is any error, just remove some frames from the drawing
Well, I give Netflix props for trying something different rather than fully recreate the original (you just can’t beat the original animated opening). However, it’s ironic how the animated one feels more “real” while the live action one feels a lot more cartoony. Not to mention the Netflix version feels sluggish and lacks the energy that the original had that better complements the music. If they did more snapper edits/cuts than slo-mo shots, it would look so much better. Hell, I’ve seen fan made AMV projects that had better editing. Just, I dunno. I’ll give this a shot out of nostalgia, but hopefully this won’t leave me wanting to see what the canned big budget Keanu Reeves film would have looked like.
I think it’s sad that the original is so incredibly timed and stylistically done that it’s almost impossible to out do or match, i genuinely do think the new version is good it’s just sad that it really won’t live up to the first opening if that’s what you care about which i know a lot of people do care about, this show will be psycho analysed for days when it comes out
the adaptation looks like when i ask my mom for a cowboy bebop blu ray for my birthday, but we're broke as fuck so she gets me a copy of a cosplay parody my cousin made for film school instead
The netflix opening feels like its screaming "remember this stuff. Look at the characters from the show..... please watch us" Also notice they took out the sexy leg walk and posing with a cigarette for some reason. I also prefer the poses in the original. Also vicious wig looks pretty dam bad. I give it some props that it at least tried to go for the style of the show. I can say at most im morbidly curious how this all turns out.
@@chrisweskamp9466 Definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting something different. We just went through the travesty known as He-Man but you bots keep trying.
Before you had my curiosity, NOW you have my attention. (Only because the episode where spike fights that weird Man child assassin thing is gonna be pure nightmare fuel as it should)
@@cainabel6356 ok please explain to me how this adaptation is going to be disaster since the both original director and a few other crew members from the anime have been brought on and are in fact helping produce this live action adaptation…. Everyone keeps saying this is going to fail… to say that then it means your wanting it to fail, that you want shin’ ichiro watanabe to fail to recreate and produce something that could have the potential to be as equal as to the original series that he helped direct…. I don’t get this complete back lash….. is it because Netflix fucked up with death note ….. is that why everyone is on the shit on everything train? Because before Netflix presented the world with their god awful adaptation of death note… Japan did and even greater job with 2 count it 2 live action films based on the property of the same name…. And the same goes for attack on titan…. So unlike you and large amount of negative fans I’m going to sit and wait and watch each episode on November 19th and once I’m done then I will give my judgement…. But I have hopes for this… because honestly the attempt to make this classic into a movie just could not work…. Sorry to lash out at you there Seth…
@@cainabel6356 ok I see your point but still just don’t jump to conclusions that it will fail…. Go check out the live action bleach movie Netflix actually did a really damn good job on that one… shame that it probably won’t get another film… but it follows the source material pretty well
It's so good to see they put faye's knives into the show I was worried they wouldnt get her knife fighting abilities right ... I mean remember how good the knife scene was in Knockin' on Heaven's Door! also Jet is skipping leg day with that run :P
Awesome side by side. I like it. Even if it's a little cheesy, I appreciate that they decided to honor the original opening more so than anything. Hope the show turns out good🤞
Everyone is down on the live action version because it misses some of the fluid and frenetic action that the OG has, but no one is talking about how the live action version is WAY better at dynamic editing and using sound and visuals to sell the story. It's a different take on the same material and I love it. The haters are weird and limited in scope.
I give the live action one compliment. It’s pretty cool to have the 3 misc guns fired instead be the 3 main fighters of the team. But man the live action feels like it drags on for so long and looses its independence. The original felt connected to the show but completely viable as its own work of art, while the remake becomes a basic clip reel and fails to understand the sharp, jazzy, and bold vibe of it all. Like seriously seeing the actors hold up the guns rather than tuning it into slow-mo in the 3 shot lineup is embarrassing
The Netflix opening of Cowboy Bebop reminds me of how The Last Airbender opened with the “Water, Earth, Fire, Air” segment of the animated series’s opening… A decent enough emulation, but ultimately feels shallow and surface-level.
As a fan of the original anime and cinema in general I dig that they didn’t try to exactly mimic the original intro but people who say we’ve never gotten a good live-action anime film should really watch Lady Snowblood. Also, I’m not saying that I liked this Netflix version, this still looks a bit lackluster compared to the original series.
@@revolutionarydragon1123 I know the movie you're talking about and I checked it out I was only able to withstand maybe 10 to 15 minutes of that slop and then I had to turn it off and find something more entertaining. I don't get why Hollywood does not do their homework on their Source material.
They tried to do too much. The original anime had Spike doing a step-in side kick, like Bruce Lee used to like to do, which informs Spike's character because he practices Jeet Kune Do. The Netflix show has Spike do a full-on jumping tornado kick, which is flashier, but flashy for flashy's sake. That's not what Spike is about. But, does John Cho have the smoothness of technique and, let's face it, length of leg, to make that kick look good?
the one thing i do like that's a nice touch is that instead of using English lines and words like in the anime opening, it's all in Japanese because it's a Western live action production
I still feel that its just too slow on the video for netflix. I don't expect it to be like animated characters because they're not. But the pace is too slow for what it is.
@@mfjones5203 Yup, that’s one of the better parts. I do think it starts off a bit too slow, though it works well with the transition. 1:14 is probably my favourite part though, with the gun shooting and transitioning into the Big Shot show.
Guys honestly I’ve watched the anime many times and look whilst not every live action is perfect, can’t we all just be excited for the live action and from what I’ve seen so far I honestly have a good feeling about this live action. Look on the bright side The world is showing a lot of attention towards the anime community and I think there’s a lot coming for us
Yeah! Thanks! I saw the original series too, but I enjoyed the live action as well. It's not a "Death note" case. People (or just otakus, I don't know) can just accept that can exist different versions. I've been watching anime since I was five, but Iot be so critical about these kind of experiments.
@@chenkaixiang2455 But maybe other persons who don't watch anime would enjoy the story in this way.🤔 For example, my mother started watching the live-action version, hahaha.
@@celiadossantosh The story has been ruined. Live action is the worst way to enjoy the Cowboy Bebop story. Had a friend who asked if he should just watch the Netflix version. I said hell no, watch the anime.
One thing the new intro does that's ABSOLUTLY better is the 'three guns firing' sequence using their individual guns, instead of just Spike's. That's pretty cool, and a very clean way to work in all three of the main characters. Overall, I think it ties together the group a little better, and it's even keeping a few cutouts open for when Ed joins the cast.
There's empty spots in the intro where she should be, if I had to guess I'd say she's being kept as a surprise that they'll add in at the halfway point
@@vanerek vicious plays a huge role in episode 5, ed doesn't appear until episode 9. If I had to guess they're going to split the original show into 2 seasons, so she'll probably show up around the end of season 1 or start of 2. If you look at the last shot of Spike, Jet, and Faye all in rectangles, there's obviously room for her rectangle
They should rotoscope the live action footage. The style of the anime opening doesnt match with live action footage. I dont know. I am excited and worried at the same time. I think it will be fun even if its bad. In the end the original will remain the same.
Good take. This show has no impact on the quality of the original. I am pretty excited and hoping to enjoy both for what makes each unique. For the live action, looking for some mild cheese, good humor, a bit of flare and some excellent action. If I get something like that in a live-action bebop skin, I'm game.
The bad thing with the live action is that they are spoiling some of the episodes where the original anime was just a cool intro of the characters and the swordfish which were separate from the episodes.
While I do have high hopes that the live action will do really well, I also have a strong feeling that I will be disappointed. Prove me wrong, Netflix!
I'm gonna start by saying I like the new Netflix intro. Do I think it's better; no, but it is still good. I think my gripe with it is it's a little too "busy" compared to the anime version, and I understand why. Netflix probably just wants to show off its actors and episodes to get people hyped up and keep watching. Still gonna watch it though... I mean come on, it's Cowboy Bebop
@@adyan4010 Jet fits very well as a Black man. His original dub actor was black, he has a black voice. I think this actor really looks the part as well. Also Faye's outfit is much more practical and fits this modern era much better. However, neither of these changes actually affect how good the show is going to be, if you get stuck on them and fail to see past them you're only limiting your own experience going into this.
@@arthurdunn07 Faye's outfit shouldn't fit the modern era, she isn't from this modern era. Also ,a lot of the scenes just look awkward for the takes. I understand the vibe they are going for, but it just kinda feels off with the live action opening. i do think Jet fits well though.
@@Steampunk_Kak You just saw a few seconds of footage and you are saying the scenes are awkward? And thinking Faye’s outfit would work in a live action adaptation is just unrealistic, just look at it.
I'm surprised the Netflix show kept the Japanese lettering all over the place. FUNimation's Blu-Rays & the original release of the show in the US had that altered to translate things into English. Also there was English all over the place even without the translated credits too.
The original opening from 1998 had the English lettering, so it's not something that was translated for our release, unless you're referring to the episodes themselves: th-cam.com/video/FoZRix-eEdE/w-d-xo.html Remember, so much has changed since the original Bandai release and now. I'm not surprised that Japanese lettering was used.
@@MeganLaveyHeaton I'm talking about the credits. Legit, look up the opening from the Japanese Blu-Rays. They changed the credits to English for the US releases, though the credits from FUNimation's BRs are different from the original US release.
After reading the comments i feel kinda ashamed that i like the live action op, of course it doesn't beat the original but come on, you guys know how hard it is to adapt that kind of stuff.
@@ashleymichelle4094 i totally agree, people nowadays complain too much and don't know how to appreciate anything(sorry about not answering in Spanish, i am not fluent at it).
Most commentators are just circlejerking. their arguments are super weak. their claims relate to the same things, their opinions are biased and repeat each other, nothing will stop them to express their disrespect for the work of actors, etc. I collapsed the comment feed right away good transitions, color work, actors work, fitting with music and in general it was interesting to see the entire op from start to finish
I completely agree with you, they can't appreciate ANYTHING and they complain about everything, even if the adaptation was exactly like the anime they still would not be satisfied.
I still thought the live action was alright. I just treated it as an alternate universe. They did butcher Vicious and Faye though, and honestly there was just no way they could have gotten Ed right. That character only works in anime form. A live action version was always just going to come off as cringe and annoying.
The side by side really makes you appreciate the original.
We already appreciating the original one since day one here
Yea for real, even the Japanese mess up live action adaptations like “Mob psycho 100.” They just don’t do the show any justice.
Are you surprised?
@@masterzombie161 lol I watched some highlights from that live adaptation, I really doubt they thought they could live up to the MP100 animation by Bones studio, just a cash grab
Yeah that’s why I’ll remain watching the original. We don’t need a live action to ruin the series
The problem is as simple as: You can't expect animated character movements to work with true actors, or try to replicate an animated aesthetic 1-1 in a real set, because animation is a completely different media
it's like expecting motorcycle wheels to work in a car
Ye I agree with you
if only this was the problem
@@forDor I'm talking about the intro, I have no idea about the actual show
I'm agree whit you can't expect that the adaptation looks just like the anime but, if you know that don't try to make it or will end like the cats movie, just adapt the essence of each character in a more realistic outfit and movements, like marvel did whit their characters
unless the anime is rotoscoped.
The dude playing Spike when he did the running part looked funny as hell compared to the original.
Cause they simply try to replicate the type of animation which can’t work like some movement in animated shows won’t look as appealing or similar in real life he should have just run regularly tbh
@@trek7985 i watched the entire trailer and it was nothing like cowboy bebop. this aint a adaptation its a completely different thing. it was extremely goofy and cheesy. which is something you dont expect from cowboy bebop. They have no idea what there doing and they probably havent even watched the original. And if they did they have absolutely no understanding of it.
@@Floridamangaming729 In interviews with the cast, they brought in the original creator of Bebop as a consultant and ran everything by him. They tried to make it as faithful to the original as possible. There is also no way this cast has not seen Bebop. There are some things that just are not translatable from one medium of animation to another medium of live-action. To me, as long as the spirit of Cowboy Bebop is captured with the best possible execution of it, I will take it. Based on this versus how Death Note came out, you can totally tell that Netflix learned their lesson.
Either that or they just completely didn’t understand that you can get that effect by chopping the frame rate and then speeding it back up. You also have to get it on a treadmill on a green screen but nah just let him run awkward in place it’ll be fine
@@Floridamangaming729 Lol, someone's got a massive case of rose-tinted glasses on.
It's funny how the original anime's characters movements and actions look more REAL than the live action.
ikr ffs
I think because the actors are slower also they're not as flexible? as the anime. Their movement also seems little bit sluggish, not very smooth. Not the kind of movement that they used to do for year and years. But just trained recently.
@@basliasballian6605 But the running part at the start should be fast and not an exaggerated slow running.
Like what the heck is that?
@@minitntman1236 true, I'm afraid to watch this show now...
The Netflix version seems to take an eternity, while the original one is fun and cool to watch.
I like how the Japanese version has a whole bunch of English decorative filler text while the American version uses Japanese filler text
Thats a rly nice detail
Which is strange and not a nice detail at all, as it shows the Netflix production team for this doesn’t understand what Cowboy Bebop was.
@@networknomad5600 I feel more like a tribute for the show being asian.
Since Cowboy Bebop tributes a lot of western shows with references they did the same in the opening throwing signs everywhere the show is originally japanese.
@@networknomad5600 Touchy for no reason
lmao i agree look at the end they swapped the title languages around ;D
I'm just happy that Netflix kept the Tank opening. It's a very legendary opening theme. It wouldn't be complete without it.
Yea but the editing isn't as tight as the original so it feels super off. Plus some of the movements feel half ass, like the triple gun shooting part... Could have had the actors make more impactful movements or shoot a simulated firearm
I think their biggest screw up was in the Faye cast, everything else is not thaaaat bad.
@@nerios.v ikr bruh why is everyone crying about everything💀💀 i want to continue this show tbh
@@nerios.v Their biggest screw up was that they even started the project
One thing I love about the Original OP is they didn’t follow the cliche of put all the plot hint and all side characters in it, just create an atmosphere around the main characters. and makes you wonder how this show would go, encouraging you to keep following their adventures.
It’s a quite unique experience even in those Japan animate production.
The silent sadness mixed with such a bombastic song was such a great contrast. With characters characters smiling and acting, and action going on, it ruins that.
See, in netflix teaser they probably had to put major characters, so that the audience can get a glimps of what they have done, netflix also knows what fans of the serues are expecting, so they went all out to ensure that they have done to meet their expectations, and as a teaser this looks clean.
In netflix version they put ALL OF THE MAJOR VILLAINS LOL
To be fair all that is in the ED lol
@@ParthPrajapati3698 If Netflix wanted to please fans you'd think they'd have wanted to actually make the opening good.
I really like Ein actor, he's perfect in that role
it would have been more impressive than the original op to mess him up
Imagine if they messed up with that too by casting it with a pug or something
@@ackshi7 I wouldn't be surprised tbh
@@ackshi7 I heard not long ago that were originally gonna get a Husky to play his rule, but they changed it after fan backlash.
Imagine they cast a guy that’s like 50 years old to play spike….wait
At least we know Ein will give 110%.
Wow, what a name
The Netflix one feels to me like a fan-made op, it just feels so off
Ouais c'est exactement à ça que je pensais
I mean, that's what that shit show is. A high budget fan film.
@@SefniAsheforr it wasn’t that bad
@@Dan-vr9mj You're right, it was worse. Fan films at least respect the material they're using.
@@SefniAsheforr damn the salt
Why does the Netflix intro look like an intro for a porn parody of this anime? It's so weird looking at this version of the same opening knowing damn well how good the original is.
I bet even a porn parody would be more faithful to the source material than this
@@MrLeerolljankins godamn u killed em
@@MrLeerolljankins Exactly. Like Faye having accurate clothes
@@janpribyla9817 imagine how difficult it would be for her actress to to wear the outfit and perform at the same time. I'm pretty sure if it was accurate it would be impossible for her to move, while trying to do stunts.
@@BionicFlower Impossible to move? You do realize that less clothes mean more freedom of movement?
John cho is an incredibly talented actor and artist but I think some one in the younger range area should’ve played Spike, seeing as he is age 27 and John cho is already about to be 50 year old man. But never the less I’m sure he’ll be damn good!
I think in an interview, he mention how it was hard for him to get over the age gap of himself and the character. But is proud of the work either way.
Harold will always be phenomenal
And Faye's supposed to be 77 because of suspended animation, not because she's really 77.
@@opsblack6525 oki
@@opsblack6525 Yes but physically she never aged past her 20's.
dude, where's Ed? they got Ein perfect but no Ed....
Let's not drag any more people in this 😣 Spike's old as fu€k, Jet is some crunchy black dude, and WHAT DA FU€K IS EVEN FAY????
Ed in the original didn't show up until Episode 9.
@@xaviervega468 sure but Ed still managed to appear in the original anime opening credits...
@@xaviervega468 sure but Ed still managed to appear in the original anime opening credits... here at 1:20 Netflix obviously omitted 4th portrait
@@jenn7559 Crunchy black? Stop 🛑
The Netflix show's intro makes me think that the way they're stylizing everything has a blend of 70s Blacksploitation & cop films & how some live action Japanese films & TV shows are shot, as well as thinks like the Yakuza games. I'm completely up for that kinda vibe as long as the writing & performances are good & on-point.
Ummmm you mean JUST LIKE the anime? Lol
@@DuoMaxwell007 I didn't catch that vibe from the anime. More of a homage to martial arts and cyber punk to me, with heavy moments of philosophy connected to identity.
@@calmexit6483 the guy with the afro Spike fought? Looked Pretty blaxploitation to me. All the Syndicate members in their suits bowing in 2 straight lines to Vicious? Looked pretty Yakuzaish to me
Dudes, those things on the intro are all in the original (Blacksploitation, Triad, bloody couple, etc)
It's like straight taken from them, just modified a little
Edit: even Mad Pierrot is there
@@DuoMaxwell007 You're talking about individual episodes that paid homage to types of films, genres, etc. I'm talking an overall tone. The anime is more Neo-Noir & Sci-Fi. The live action show seems to be embracing more genres at once, which I'm all for.
One of the main struggles I feel like in adapting cowboy Bebop to live action is cowboy Bebop had such a very unique dynamic flow in its character movements which just does not translate to live action. You can argue that that's because it's anime and this is live action but those movements were a part of the driving story I feel like.
That's because they used live action footage as reference for animating the characters, while exagerating their movement in just the right ways to make them feel more impactful while still natural.
Cowboy Bebop's animation keeps a foot in realism, the animation and charicature is never pushed too far unless the visual storytelling needs it to be pushed too far.
I think they should've replicated the feel of the original OP instead of trying to recreate it, just keep the visual style and editing style, I think it would've been better.
The live-action Faye's movements look so awkward. It feels like they took one take and called it a day.
Look they all almost broke a hip there especially the elderly spike. They can't risk it.
Let me guess, someone is trying to act like a professional. But that someone is not even close to the level of being a critic.
@@sohaibmalik6846 Let me guess, someone is trying to act like a psychologist. But that someone is not even close to the level of being an academic. (See how easy this is?)
BTW I hadn't realized I needed to go to film school to notice that a character's movements are awkward. You learn something new every day.
@@ashwinnair1092 First of all I said, only of you had focused on details like this while studying in school, I said nothing about film school, that's what mental unstability made.you think. Another thing, I meant you don't even know the difference between live action and animated, live action means real humans, animated means, CGI characters. Just because your last brain cell cannot differentiate between it, it's not Netflix's fault. Don't act like some professional, Netflix, actors, producers, intro maker, comic/novel writer and me really don't care about your comment. As you can see your criticism is worthless. Plus there is always a civil war. Winx Club and The Witcher fans said the same thing, and guess what they still watched it, and when season 2 will release, they will pretend to hate it, but will watch it anyway. As you can see, studio controls your entertainment. Not you. Plus this generation don't care damn about 2d animated stuff, for them 2d animation is trash. Just because you are in your 60s, doesn't mean everyone is.
@@sohaibmalik6846 now say that againg without crying cutie
While not a copy of the OG intro, I understand what the creators of the live-action 'Cowboy Bebop' wanted to do within the intro. I'm leaning to enjoying the animé intro more.
Nemec does consider this Cowboy
Bebop, premiering on Netflix this Nov. 19,
to be
"an expansion to the canon,
" in that
the show will "add things" to the mythos.
"We got under the skin of who the live-
action characters were going to be, " he
adds. "I think that the poetic nature of the
anime absolutely allowed for us to mine
the archetypal nature of the characters
and dig out deeper histories that we
wanted to explore - and answer some of
the questions that the anime leaves you
with. I think to just redo the anime will
leave an audience hungry for something
that they already saw. The anime did an
amazing job. We don't need to serve the
exact same meal. I think it would have
been disappointing if we did."
I didn't understand at all. Like lmao what was soooo hard about doing what the original did? Like they couldn't even run 😂
It was solid if they changed it would of killed the live action foreal
I'd kinda like if they just animated the actors with rotoscoping, honestly. At least in the shots where they use 2D animation to stylize things.
@@Scsigs yeah you got to respect they stayed to the source material
"The work, which becomes a new genre itself, will be called... COWBOY BEBOP". This one line says it all. The anime is a perfect irony, a seamless blend of humor and tragedy that resulted in class and sass minus the cringe. Its the very nature of its story being predictably unpredictable and the added mystery of its nuances that gave the show its charm. Unfortunately, the live action lacked that charm as per this opening. It just gave away too much information that you can't expect the unexpected anymore.
I think part of the reason the Netflix one looks so god awful is primarily because the frame rate varies across three or four elements on screen at a single time, while the original is all the same, even during the simulated slow shutter speed bits which are weirdly not replicated, which is partly why the gunshot closeups look so weak...aside from the revolver which just doesn't have any recoil, nor does the hammer move on the thing (fuck, now I just noticed the front-on shots of the guns are completely CGI with badly rigged stock hand models jammed into them).
I'm seeing live action footage shot at possibly something higher than 24fps (the TH-cam video displays at 24fps so I can't tell but can guess), some other live action and CGI footage at exactly 24fps, but then 2D animated elements that vary between maybe 10fps and 12fps.
If I had to guess why it's because a whole lot of it is assembled from lots of different shoots, all of which are done by different cinematographers. And some of those shots are fuck ugly high shutter speed, harshly lit, narrow aperture moments, which are most definitely not the jazzy, noir-y look that Cowboy Bebop should have. Now things feel over detailed, cheap, and moodless more often than not, including a couple of bits that might be from costume tests or a purposely done shoot. So you have a bunch of disparate shots and animations, layered on top of one another with varying frame rates, aesthetic styles, and all processed differently all at the same time...sitting next to probably the greatest anime credits sequence ever.
The first shot of Spike lighting a smoke is:
-the yellow Saul Bass bars at 24fps
-a very dimly lit, soft live action shot of him with motion blur thanks to slow shutter speed at 24fps
-a totally contrasting keying and animation effect on top of that that is SUPER crisp around his head and hair; no lens focus effect on top to blend it with the background a bit, nor motion blur to match the live action footage's movement
-that seems to be above 24fps because his head/hair is an unchanging tweened vector rather than a hand animated drawing, or just his real head/hair keyed out for some reason
-but his back arm, while also black, seems to be the original footage the whole way through because there IS a lens focus effect there; guess his hair was too hard to key out
-an exhale of smoke in a different animation style that is sub-12fps and is a combination of hand animation and a couple of digital moves that repeat frames of the clouds
-scrolling background text that is 24fps or higher
-film grain/ISO noise isn't uniform across each element either; look at it in lower resolution and the compression will blend it better
After that, almost every shot has some of these weird discrepancies. The worst are shots that show extracts from different episodes, so one side of the screen will have different focal depth, shutter speed, grain, and overall style than the other side, with animated elements in between that are at a varying frame rate. And the thing is, the original has varied frame rates too in a couple moments, but either has each clip play on alternating frames to make it feel smoother, or just lets one element animate at a time, on top of having a singular grain/noise on top that blends it further.
This looks so shockingly cheap and unplanned. For so many elements to look so vastly different tells me there's no style guide to the series, and not enough care to purpose-shoot/animate elements for the titles, leading to all of these really jarring clashes of style and frame rates.
Interesting
I ain’t reading all that, I’m happy for you tho or sorry that happened
Great analysis. The few existing shots from episodes and some of the casting choices also give off a very, very cheap vibe to them. Seems like they're just going for the money on this one but why should I be surprised.
People kept saying the netflix opening looked good and I just didnt fcking see it the same way. They should've just turned everyone into silhouettes instead of having them awkwardly staring back at the viewer
You’re a nerd bro no reason to articulate over a nerdy subject matter
Now in side by side comparison I notice 2 things immediately:
-Original seems way more detailed (weird as it's animated)
-Original seems much more dynamic (the pace is not in slo-mo like state as in live action at times)
The editing and timing matches the rhythm of the song in the original intro. As it would with a Jazz piece, which the Netflix series is totally not going to get at all.
They can make details and movements perfect in animation. Live action is always going to look different
@@ciello___8307 The problem I'm seeing is though: it is MUCH easier to have a highly detailed live video as opposed to the animation where every additional details attached would increase workload exponentially. (bit less in terms of model animation done in cg but it's not case here).
So by default one can expect live action footage to be more detailed than animation. Here it is somehow not the case.
As to movement: surely enough animation has upper-hand here in terms of 'what can be done' as it only depends on skill and imagination. But in terms of fluidity of that movement I imagine it's pretty much equal in terms of what can be done depending on a skill of editor and in case of animation - mid frame animators.
I have nothing against fluidity in fact but... why is it so much in slo-mo? It's as if I was replaying 1st Max Payne and fighting kicked in so everything went into bullet time. It's fine idea when a lot is happening but it's not necessarily fine idea in intro, especially when it does not really much with up-beat fast paced music in the background.
Sadly all of that 'can' be explained with either laziness or inability (on many levels including fast paced movements ability on actors side) and while it is not necessarily just that- the inkling of that thought is worrisome.
"original seems way more detailed"
bro, it's detailed cuz thats why its original😭
@@rizkyhidayah1370 you... literally make no sense here.
It is very common for adaptations of works to be way more detailed than originals depending on a style and structure. Good example are in fact live adaptations where the 'HD' of real life footage leans whole spectrum into 'more detail'.
Only examples where adaptations were less detailed than original that I can think from top of my head were "Teen Titans GO!" and "Thundercats Roar".
In live action: "Ghost in the Shell" maintained about same amount of detail, "Dragon Balls" was more detailed but... actually to the detriment of the project, while "Alita: Battle Angel" wasway more detailed than original (which is achievement as once again it is old school sci-fi manga and anime, and those did excel at amount of the detail in general)
I ADORE the stained glass window into revolver barrel cut. It gets me every time.
the new intro is like "do you remember all those cool characters from the original anime? we got they and all they looks like cheap cosplayers"
hahaha no, come on dude seriously? You're completely missing the point here
The opening is not that, or rather it is what small brained people would come to assume, like you
First the Mario movie cast and now THIS!? I need help here!
@@judelawrenstorres480 He’s not wrong. The actors look like cheap, bad cosplayers.
them* and all of them* look* like
@@sidolanters1394 grammar nazi!
the netflix version feels more like a teaser than an actual opening
I think is just a teaser, not the actual opening
@@PandamoniumBruu nah it was actual opening
@@coach7507 nah netflix says this is the teaser on the app
@@coach7507 how would you know? We'll see when it launches
@@manuele.itriagom.728 on netflix youtube channel. They posted the opening
Netflix: "Everybody loves Cowboy Bebop so we should..."
Everyone: "Get the rights to the sho-"
Netflix: *MAKE A LIVE ACTION REMAKE*
Edit: They've actually gotten the rights to the show now so this comment aged like milk lol
Netflix: *you know what…..? WHY NOT DO BOTH?*
Most of Europe already have Cowboy Bebop on Netflix.
It is actually "expansion" of the anime canon, not a pure remake
@@MuhammedChand agreed! (as long as they keep the same dub va) but honestly, i think it's ok if they lean into the goofiness of Bebop because it really has both and the fans enjoy the goof but only talk about the seriousness and both make each other work. that said, this opener has the most speed racer energy of anything besides the movie. different era of anime guys.
@@perkeletto640 ''according to my calculations its pronounced ass-purgers, not ass-burgers''
Showed my mom the two intros, and she said the one on the right is more enticing even if its a cartoon. Said it looked sad or like noir almost. I have to agree, the Netflix intro is brighter and less dark, feels less mature as well.
The live action just doesn't fit well into the anime asthetic either, compared to the original where the movements feel really precise and sharp, Netflix feels really jarring and like a low budget fan film. Ofc maybe that's the style they're going for but still I'm not a fan of it. Will have to see how the final product turns out
Your Mom has GREAT TASTE.
I hope this version is more like a teaser that's a work in progress. I think the Netflix intro can still be improved, like Spike's running(that's just me), or the feel/mood overall. And lowkey kinda hate how they put like scenes which is a bit of a mini spoiler for the show. Not really hopeful, but I wish they can still edit it a bit
Wow!! I just did exactly the same and has the same opinion, she said:
“The one with actors looks like a copy made by students” 🤣
Worried about maturity when you have an anime avatar....lol
Ok the running on spike, make Cho run like hell, record it, don't slow it down, make him run like he would naturally run fast, same goes with Jet, don't slow him down and show it in full motion,everything else is fine, you see it's the little things.
I liked jet running, spike not so much
Haha I wrote the same comment on the official video on Facebook, that Spike running looks awkward in my opinion, as well as the Faye scene, when she starts to moving as if the director said : now, action!
Agree, make him sprint lol or Maybe thats 48 year old legs... 🤣🤣🤣
Also the character gesticulating at the end. Don’t know why they removed those scenes
Maybe we're expecting too much. Real people can't duplicate everything that animated characters do. They just can't. Still, the live action into does show Two things:
1. That they will be offering something a little different from what fans are expecting. That is, they won't/can't follow the anime frame for frame, so they changed a few things and showed the reality of live actors doing things in place of how the animated characters did them. They're letting you know what to expect from the start.
2. They will continue to have much of what we're familiar with. They did that by featuring characters in the intro from the anime's storyline we all know and love. You recognized them, right? It's meant to connect the anime, and you, with this version.
Just a thought. haha
The intro is fine for the most part but then John Cho’s running is so fucking funny😂😂😂😂
I love how Netflix completely erased the existence of Ed
I don't
Ed’s in the show they have the woman from mushrooms samba in the intro
@@JPproductions303 then they really fucked over who's ever playing them cause their not even in this trailer once
I'm wondering that too, Ed's not really the most important character on the show, but still plays a important role, more crucial towards the end of the anime, if they want to somewhat follow the original plot, they must keep Ed
@@conwaytwittyer2667 maybe is like that intros that change along the show is going, and at some point it would have Ed, but maybe I am too optimistic
I still don’t know about this live action adaptation. Feels like it’s going to have that Adam West Batman vibe.
god willing it will
Yeah we end up seeing Spike use shark repellent on a shark 🤣
the casting and wardrobe is so fucking bad
@@grimsvaultstreaming3956 yep😞
@@grimsvaultstreaming3956 I dunno. Ein seemed pretty spot on
Kid: Mom, can we get Cowboy Bebop?
Mom: No, we have Cowboy Bebop at home.
Cowboy Bebop at home:
This intro feels just like the meme temple Manga, anime, Netflix adaptation.
My only complain is about how the music does not sync with the visuals as well as the OG
Because by drawing you know that each drawing corresponds to a certain second and therefore you can make it correspond perfectly with the corresponding second of the music. If there is any error, just remove some frames from the drawing
@@erosgritti5171 not quite.
But still, you can sync up the images by changing a bit the filler scenes that literally serve no purpose
@@erosgritti5171 Technically using your logic you can sync either frames to fit in with the jazz
this videos is out of sync, the origi al upload is better
@@erosgritti5171 they could do the same with video, that's the whole purpose of video editing.
二十数年以上待った身としては実写が形になっただけで有り難いし、良い意味で所々ファンの願望が詰まったパロディだと思ってるから続編が出て欲しいと思ってるよ。
てか声優さん存命なうちにどんどんやってくれ…頼む…
The Netflix opening makes me realize even more that John Cho, that is an amazing actor without any doubt, simply doesn't get Spike right.
Agreed. There are so many actors who could do Spike justice, but not Cho.
out of all the actors in the west they chose a goofy looking guy who looks like he could fit in a key&peele comedy skit
the "Netflix adaption" - meme isn't spot on for nothing.
My goodness, did you even watch the adaption? At least let the series release
I cringed when he look at us while eating with that blank stare on his face
Can't replace Tank it's the heart and soul of the show
The Real Folk Blues either
Trfb too
*Cries in Netflix Evangelion*
Well, I give Netflix props for trying something different rather than fully recreate the original (you just can’t beat the original animated opening). However, it’s ironic how the animated one feels more “real” while the live action one feels a lot more cartoony.
Not to mention the Netflix version feels sluggish and lacks the energy that the original had that better complements the music. If they did more snapper edits/cuts than slo-mo shots, it would look so much better. Hell, I’ve seen fan made AMV projects that had better editing.
Just, I dunno. I’ll give this a shot out of nostalgia, but hopefully this won’t leave me wanting to see what the canned big budget Keanu Reeves film would have looked like.
I think it’s sad that the original is so incredibly timed and stylistically done that it’s almost impossible to out do or match, i genuinely do think the new version is good it’s just sad that it really won’t live up to the first opening if that’s what you care about which i know a lot of people do care about, this show will be psycho analysed for days when it comes out
オリジナルは良くできてたなぁと思い知らされる
0:35 this is where the real difference begins
the adaptation looks like when i ask my mom for a cowboy bebop blu ray for my birthday, but we're broke as fuck so she gets me a copy of a cosplay parody my cousin made for film school instead
I just love the original so freaking much and I’m still gonna carry that weight like spike said
see you, space cowboy
0:56 That dude running in the Netflix version looks something out of looney toons lol
The netflix opening feels like its screaming "remember this stuff. Look at the characters from the show..... please watch us" Also notice they took out the sexy leg walk and posing with a cigarette for some reason. I also prefer the poses in the original. Also vicious wig looks pretty dam bad. I give it some props that it at least tried to go for the style of the show. I can say at most im morbidly curious how this all turns out.
They took that out because this Fey isn’t supposed to be sexy, because reasons
@@MaxPower-ke5rq yeah cos there's only one way to be sexy right!
@@UberNoodle absolutely
True
@@UberNoodle yes
I can’t be mad at this. It’s a solid intro. Hopefully the show is good…
It's garbage
How do you know for certain Camila? Is it out yet?
@@chrisweskamp9466 i think they just mean the op guess they don't like it
@@chrisweskamp9466 creator already said to expect something different from his work and didn't had any control over the license.
@@chrisweskamp9466 Definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting something different. We just went through the travesty known as He-Man but you bots keep trying.
this just made me want to rewatch the OG cowboy bebop all over again
Can't put my finger on it, but the Netflix OP leaves me feeling like it's soul is missing compared to most of your typical Anime-type OP.
I feel like they tried to add some ingredients to an already perfect recipe.
@@Palendrome bingo
that's because it *doesn't* have a soul, it's hard to put into words the soulness when dealing with art, but you can definitely feel it in your gut
its*, and you're right
It's a Netflix made show. Of course it has no soul.
God damn it I just finished exporting my version lmfao
Trolled
Before you had my curiosity, NOW you have my attention. (Only because the episode where spike fights that weird Man child assassin thing is gonna be pure nightmare fuel as it should)
I know the anime was pretty much perfect but I'm still praying this can be decent. I can't wait to find out.
Yea, but the villains in the intro took me out of it a bit.
Good luck with that. Prepare for disaster.
@@cainabel6356 ok please explain to me how this adaptation is going to be disaster since the both original director and a few other crew members from the anime have been brought on and are in fact helping produce this live action adaptation…. Everyone keeps saying this is going to fail… to say that then it means your wanting it to fail, that you want shin’ ichiro watanabe to fail to recreate and produce something that could have the potential to be as equal as to the original series that he helped direct…. I don’t get this complete back lash….. is it because Netflix fucked up with death note ….. is that why everyone is on the shit on everything train?
Because before Netflix presented the world with their god awful adaptation of death note… Japan did and even greater job with 2 count it 2 live action films based on the property of the same name…. And the same goes for attack on titan….
So unlike you and large amount of negative fans I’m going to sit and wait and watch each episode on November 19th and once I’m done then I will give my judgement…. But I have hopes for this… because honestly the attempt to make this classic into a movie just could not work….
Sorry to lash out at you there Seth…
@@staticxac - Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Lord of the Rings series, and so many other adaptions and such that went woke and horribly wrong.
@@cainabel6356 ok I see your point but still just don’t jump to conclusions that it will fail…. Go check out the live action bleach movie Netflix actually did a really damn good job on that one… shame that it probably won’t get another film… but it follows the source material pretty well
It's so good to see they put faye's knives into the show I was worried they wouldnt get her knife fighting abilities right ... I mean remember how good the knife scene was in Knockin' on Heaven's Door! also Jet is skipping leg day with that run :P
Show got cancelled by the way guys, it was just a dream.
Yeah.. just a dream
The Netflix opening has slower pacing then compared to the original
slower pacing compared to*
Awesome side by side. I like it.
Even if it's a little cheesy, I appreciate that they decided to honor the original opening more so than anything. Hope the show turns out good🤞
Everyone is down on the live action version because it misses some of the fluid and frenetic action that the OG has, but no one is talking about how the live action version is WAY better at dynamic editing and using sound and visuals to sell the story. It's a different take on the same material and I love it. The haters are weird and limited in scope.
Had the same thoughts. Absolutely loved the live action series.
Yup the live actions are more nice
贔屓抜きにしてオリジナルの方がやっぱカッコいい。
とくにスパイクが
洗練されてる感じがする
Better example than ign gave side to side. I like that they honour the original without full on copying it. Looking forward to this adaptation.
Wtf are you talking about
The new one looks like complete trash
@@sebastianguerrero6617 no it doesnt
I give the live action one compliment. It’s pretty cool to have the 3 misc guns fired instead be the 3 main fighters of the team.
But man the live action feels like it drags on for so long and looses its independence. The original felt connected to the show but completely viable as its own work of art, while the remake becomes a basic clip reel and fails to understand the sharp, jazzy, and bold vibe of it all.
Like seriously seeing the actors hold up the guns rather than tuning it into slow-mo in the 3 shot lineup is embarrassing
Why the hell is Faye in the live action version welding a blade? I don't recall in any of the episodes or movie of Faye using a blade in combat.
Take another look at the movie.
The Netflix opening of Cowboy Bebop reminds me of how The Last Airbender opened with the “Water, Earth, Fire, Air” segment of the animated series’s opening…
A decent enough emulation, but ultimately feels shallow and surface-level.
Did Netflix make Cowboy Bebop's opening spoil the story?
As a fan of the original anime and cinema in general I dig that they didn’t try to exactly mimic the original intro but people who say we’ve never gotten a good live-action anime film should really watch Lady Snowblood.
Also, I’m not saying that I liked this Netflix version, this still looks a bit lackluster compared to the original series.
lady snowblood is incredible i agree! didn’t like the second movie tho
It is a hollow shell of the original Cowboy Bebop anime. Nothing about this screams Cowboy Bebop he just screams flop turd
You should check out the rurouni kenshin movies imo they are really well done and one of the live action anime movies I've seen
@@revolutionarydragon1123 I know the movie you're talking about and I checked it out I was only able to withstand maybe 10 to 15 minutes of that slop and then I had to turn it off and find something more entertaining. I don't get why Hollywood does not do their homework on their Source material.
@@FadoraMan83 that wasn't a Hollywood movie it was actually made in Japan and has 4 sequels to it.
Me at 9:25 - *starts watching this video*
Me at 9:26 - *starts re-watching Cowboy Bebop for the 12389743786108961th time*
The part where Spike throws a kick always stood up to me. It looks so natural and powerful. And then the live action one is so underwhelming.
Damn right, the live action version looks like Spike is break dancing.
They're two different types of kicks, I still prefer the original, but the live action one wasn't that bad
They tried to do too much.
The original anime had Spike doing a step-in side kick, like Bruce Lee used to like to do, which informs Spike's character because he practices Jeet Kune Do.
The Netflix show has Spike do a full-on jumping tornado kick, which is flashier, but flashy for flashy's sake. That's not what Spike is about.
But, does John Cho have the smoothness of technique and, let's face it, length of leg, to make that kick look good?
the one thing i do like that's a nice touch is that instead of using English lines and words like in the anime opening, it's all in Japanese because it's a Western live action production
Even the final title card is reversed!
Everything I’ve seen for the Netflix adaptation actually has me really excited for it
What sort of dimension did we crossover with??
I still feel that its just too slow on the video for netflix. I don't expect it to be like animated characters because they're not. But the pace is too slow for what it is.
0:56 I cannot get over how jet runs
yeah lol with the birds eye view it makes him look like a tiny man, fast walking
0:14 Jet’s run looks significantly better than Spike’s.
@@OldChannelRezto Yea Spike’s pretty cringe but I do like what they do with Spike at 0:31
@@mfjones5203 Yup, that’s one of the better parts. I do think it starts off a bit too slow, though it works well with the transition. 1:14 is probably my favourite part though, with the gun shooting and transitioning into the Big Shot show.
That's not jet I don't know who that is that's some black guy that's not Jet from Cowboy Bebop that's a black man
Why do cartoon characters have a better run cycle than actual human beings? Dafuq Netflix?
They seem so silly
Animation copies real life and makes it look better
That's just like saying why do cartoons characters could stand 19 bullets through their heads while real human don't? Dafuq real life ?
Irl Jet's run cycle looked fine
i just started watching the anime yesterday with my dad, the soundtrack is so fricking cool
The netflix one looks like its making fun of the original lmao
Guys honestly I’ve watched the anime many times and look whilst not every live action is perfect, can’t we all just be excited for the live action and from what I’ve seen so far I honestly have a good feeling about this live action.
Look on the bright side The world is showing a lot of attention towards the anime community and I think there’s a lot coming for us
Yeah! Thanks! I saw the original series too, but I enjoyed the live action as well. It's not a "Death note" case. People (or just otakus, I don't know) can just accept that can exist different versions. I've been watching anime since I was five, but Iot be so critical about these kind of experiments.
It's more who asked for this? Like anime fans like anime and that's fine. Most of them don't like live action shit and can u blame them?
@@chenkaixiang2455 But maybe other persons who don't watch anime would enjoy the story in this way.🤔 For example, my mother started watching the live-action version, hahaha.
@@celiadossantosh The story has been ruined. Live action is the worst way to enjoy the Cowboy Bebop story. Had a friend who asked if he should just watch the Netflix version. I said hell no, watch the anime.
I saw the adaptation's opening and was pretty impressed until I watched this and now I am no longer impressed but I still appreciate the effort
One thing the new intro does that's ABSOLUTLY better is the 'three guns firing' sequence using their individual guns, instead of just Spike's. That's pretty cool, and a very clean way to work in all three of the main characters. Overall, I think it ties together the group a little better, and it's even keeping a few cutouts open for when Ed joins the cast.
And the best shot of the intro, Ein, just Ein
@@erichfiedler1481 For me, I think it was the Spike and Vicious face off. Very epic shot imo.
Where is Ed? We need Ed
There's empty spots in the intro where she should be, if I had to guess I'd say she's being kept as a surprise that they'll add in at the halfway point
@@huntercarvey670 we see vicious, but no Ed? Something doesn't add up
She wasn't in the first half of the original anime, we'll get Ed eventually
If they don't have Ed as part of this adaptation.... People are going to be pissed period, and they are not going to be afraid to let Netflix know it
@@vanerek vicious plays a huge role in episode 5, ed doesn't appear until episode 9. If I had to guess they're going to split the original show into 2 seasons, so she'll probably show up around the end of season 1 or start of 2. If you look at the last shot of Spike, Jet, and Faye all in rectangles, there's obviously room for her rectangle
this should be titled "Netflix Ruining Your Childhood"
They should rotoscope the live action footage. The style of the anime opening doesnt match with live action footage. I dont know. I am excited and worried at the same time. I think it will be fun even if its bad. In the end the original will remain the same.
Good take. This show has no impact on the quality of the original. I am pretty excited and hoping to enjoy both for what makes each unique. For the live action, looking for some mild cheese, good humor, a bit of flare and some excellent action. If I get something like that in a live-action bebop skin, I'm game.
They look like kids in Halloween costumes not gonna lie. Good job sprinting this out though so quick
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@Agent Black Ed will exist in season 2. Remember, he wasn't in the firsst half of the anime either
@@bigbangzebraman351 Ed's a she
@@PXTother you got a sub from me bro keep it up!
@Agent Black Vicious looks like Drako Malfoy lol
Original: Interesting, catchy, fun
Netflix: looks awkward.
The only show on Netflix where the "Skip Intro" button won't be an option.
The bad thing with the live action is that they are spoiling some of the episodes where the original anime was just a cool intro of the characters and the swordfish which were separate from the episodes.
Yea, but people who haven’t watched the anime won’t know that.
@@jr4chargers it looks cringe... it should not exist
@@Userdoesnotexit let’s be real, even if the show turns out amazing, you will hate it, simply because you decided a while back that it sucks.
@@jr4chargers I think the majority of people who will be watching this is because of the Animé.
@@barriniho in that case, it doesn’t matter, cause we know what happens lol :)
the only thing thats weird to me is the 3 diffrent guns on the netflix intro like why?
The Netflix one was meant as a teaser,an introduction into the world of cowboy bebop. The anime one is definitely more stylish.
Forget about the way spike looks in the Netflix adaptation. I can’t even fathom me imagining spike without the og Steve blum voice :/
And the Japanese dub gets all of the original voice actors from the anime.
that running in the red one looks so goofy
While I do have high hopes that the live action will do really well, I also have a strong feeling that I will be disappointed. Prove me wrong, Netflix!
Man, that Netflix Adaption meme ringing true once again...
One thing is appreciated, higher quality ver of the theme
1:19 The mosquito in my room after I show it cowboy bebop
*See you Space Mosquito*
I'm gonna start by saying I like the new Netflix intro. Do I think it's better; no, but it is still good. I think my gripe with it is it's a little too "busy" compared to the anime version, and I understand why. Netflix probably just wants to show off its actors and episodes to get people hyped up and keep watching.
Still gonna watch it though... I mean come on, it's Cowboy Bebop
no its not.. its trash
@@Userdoesnotexit calm yer salt tips. We all know you only recently just watched Cowboy Bebop when it cam back on Netflix kid.
It's not cowboy bebop
I'll give it a fair shake, but if it sucks not gonna bite my tongue about it.
Ein's actor carried the Netflix one, he was the best of bois.
0:14 John Cho's running here made me bust a lung
The intro is giving me a little more hope that the show is gonna be good! :)
how can it be good when they just changed the design of Fay and race swapped Jet Black?
@@adyan4010 Jet fits very well as a Black man. His original dub actor was black, he has a black voice. I think this actor really looks the part as well. Also Faye's outfit is much more practical and fits this modern era much better. However, neither of these changes actually affect how good the show is going to be, if you get stuck on them and fail to see past them you're only limiting your own experience going into this.
@@arthurdunn07 Faye's outfit shouldn't fit the modern era, she isn't from this modern era. Also ,a lot of the scenes just look awkward for the takes. I understand the vibe they are going for, but it just kinda feels off with the live action opening. i do think Jet fits well though.
@@arthurdunn07 Jet Black original dub actor was japanese, I believe. Not everything in the world is about america.
@@Steampunk_Kak You just saw a few seconds of footage and you are saying the scenes are awkward? And thinking Faye’s outfit would work in a live action adaptation is just unrealistic, just look at it.
Better than folks are saying despite it not being a 1:1 recreation
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Lmao
I'm surprised the Netflix show kept the Japanese lettering all over the place. FUNimation's Blu-Rays & the original release of the show in the US had that altered to translate things into English. Also there was English all over the place even without the translated credits too.
The original opening from 1998 had the English lettering, so it's not something that was translated for our release, unless you're referring to the episodes themselves: th-cam.com/video/FoZRix-eEdE/w-d-xo.html
Remember, so much has changed since the original Bandai release and now. I'm not surprised that Japanese lettering was used.
@@MeganLaveyHeaton I'm talking about the credits. Legit, look up the opening from the Japanese Blu-Rays. They changed the credits to English for the US releases, though the credits from FUNimation's BRs are different from the original US release.
Netflix is awesome.
You can even watch fan art now?
After reading the comments i feel kinda ashamed that i like the live action op, of course it doesn't beat the original but come on, you guys know how hard it is to adapt that kind of stuff.
quedó genial para ser producción de Netflix, ya no saben apreciar algo en estos días
@@ashleymichelle4094 i totally agree, people nowadays complain too much and don't know how to appreciate anything(sorry about not answering in Spanish, i am not fluent at it).
Most commentators are just circlejerking. their arguments are super weak. their claims relate to the same things, their opinions are biased and repeat each other, nothing will stop them to express their disrespect for the work of actors, etc. I collapsed the comment feed right away
good transitions, color work, actors work, fitting with music and in general it was interesting to see the entire op from start to finish
I completely agree with you, they can't appreciate ANYTHING and they complain about everything, even if the adaptation was exactly like the anime they still would not be satisfied.
They should've known their limits. Efforts doesn't excuse the final product
Love how everything is seemingly replaceable except Yoko Kano apparently.
I still thought the live action was alright. I just treated it as an alternate universe. They did butcher Vicious and Faye though, and honestly there was just no way they could have gotten Ed right. That character only works in anime form. A live action version was always just going to come off as cringe and annoying.
The music on this is gonna be fire! Wooh Space Cowboy lets go!