I’ve both purchased and seen multiple big brands where they were about the same or worse. This is a carbon fiber shaft so unlike wood, it won’t move and continue to get worse.
@@plhlolelnlilx06 IT ALREADY MOVED, OF COURSE IT WILL CONTINUE. WHY WOULDNT IT? IF IT DID FROM THE START HOW CAN IT STOP? ESPECIALLY IF IT IS UNDER STRESS FROM HITTING A BALL WITH IT. THESE ARE HOLLOW CARBON TUBES THAT COST $1.00 EACH ON WEBSITES. THEN ADD FOAM AND INSERTS FOR $20. AND SELL IT FOR $400
*NICE REVIEW. WISH YOU TOLD US ABOUT THE DIAMTER OF THE BUTT, THE WRAP AREA. IT SEEMS TO BE VERY NARROW, A SMALL DIAMETER WRAP/BUTT. IS THE KONLLEN PENCIL THIN LIKE A PREDATOR P2*
The diameter of the butt cap was shown briefly at 1:49. You can use that number, plus the joint diameter shown a few seconds before, plus trigonometry, to get any diameter on the butt if you are good with math:)
You can fix this problem by sanding the base at the highest point of shaft off the table. I had to do this to my ob pro and predator Revo 12.9 but my shaft was straight but when attached to the cue there was one side that was bent so i found the highest point looking at the shaft on the cue like a scope then did my magic to make it perfectly straight
@@440-fishermandrock8 I've straightened my shaft which is more important than being a sissy and scared to sand my equipment like a good little dog that listens to everything manufacturers tell us
Can anyone tell me if the pin is a 3/8 - 8 on this butt in the video? Would the new JFlowers "SMO" carbon shaft work successfully and in harmony with the Konllen?
Just got a Brunswick pool table, this review inspired me to order a Predator 314-3. Not really knowing what I'm doing when it comes to weight ordered the 20 oz. hopefully, it's not too heavy.
I have no idea about either company, and am frankly surprised there as so man comments one knocked off the other. Both are bottom tiered Chinese brands, and the only reason anyone buys them is they are cheap. What I do know with 100% certainty is JFlowers was an American casemaker a few decades ago. So whoever owns the JFlowers cue company knocked off his whole name.
I bought butt and shaft made by JFlowers (also known as Konllen) .. it came warped. So very disappointed.. authenticity number 4868.. the butt is also the exact same as Konllen and yet JFlowers says they are not the same company... someone's lying and it isn't me. JFlowers has no return policy..
@@miamiwax5504 I've been trying to figure out both companies for the past week reading/watching reviews. Ive come up with the same conclusion. If you get the Konllen on Amazon and unhappy, return is super easy as opposed to ordering it from jflowers site. Plus jflowers charges $40 for shipping and no longer offering the black hard case.
@@tomwd.2825 I have a Predator 8K-1 with a 314 shaft. Both the shaft and the butt warped. I realize it's my fault due to poor storage--it was in a case hanging at an angle in my closet or lying on its side at work. But, who ever heard of a butt warping? Over $600 down the drain. I won't be buying Predator twice.
Is that predator an 11.5 vs 12.5 on Konllen? Tip looks a lot wider. A lot of Konllen's come with a crappy tip (by most reviews). Also wonder if tip would change overall play (most say it does). I say all that because you can get the whole cue for less than the predator shaft, let alone whole cue.
The predator was a 314-2 with a standard tip diameter of 12.75mm. The tip does not appreciably affect deflection. Lots of data to support that, go see Dr Dave's website for more info.
@@nickp4793 I didn't mention deflection (mainly driven by shaft material) or english (tip size doesn't = more english). But I totally get why you might assume that's what I was thinking because of what was in the video. I wasn't clear... was just wondering if my eyes were right. From my view, wide tips seem to be more forgiving which can be interpreted as... it can somewhat hide small flaws or equally could be interpreted as... wide tips offer a little less sublety in control (again, no expert here, just my perception). I did decide to buy a Konllen AS series with an 11.5 tip. Beautifull cue, no warpage or defects a few seem to complain about. Looks stunning and feels great. Was just under $400. Basically $100 more for the Safflower Pear wood, abalone inlays, and the option for the 11.5 tip. Very pleased. Would love to have a Predator or any other quality name brand, but for someone who just plays for fun I simply bought the Konllen because I want to develop my feel/habits with a relatively decent cue and the price difference is significant. The Konllen wasn't exactly cheap, but in a range where I went for it. Think it was wise choice. Plays great. No complaints. Hard to imagine there can be a huge difference between much more expensive cues with respect to playability.
@@trevorwesterdahl6245 Yes, I agree. I think the Konlin is a great value for the money. You get a whole cue for a good price. I did like the shaft, and if my aim was not already fine tuned to the Predator characteristics, I would have probably kept it. Fast forward a couple years after I made this video, and I did eventually get the Predator Revo 12.4 shaft. I like it a lot, it plays to me exactly like the Predator 314-2, and I didn't have to make any aim adjustments to my game. Good luck with your game:)
@@nickp4793 Awesome! Your comment is why I bought the Konllen... once you adapt to a certain cue, seems like a lot of work to switch. I played enough with random bar cues to know I wanted consistency. Kept noticing big differences. Glad you got what you wanted and are pleased with it. Good luck with your game too!
Carbon fiber shafts made by Konllen are the same that they sell under the brand "Preoaidr" (Predator knockoffs). They're all crooked... Butts and wood shafts are not that bad for those prices, but stay away from these cheap carbon fiber shafts.
@@AngrierGorilla Yup. These are junk. I have JFlowers equipment and they are very good quality. They are not all the same as you stated in another comment.
@@ianswenson4575 JFlowers are pretty good, I have tried them. But I think the producers are pretty much the same. Obviously with JFlowers they put much more quality in their work. And prices change accordingly.
@@ianswenson4575 and by the way, I found one crooked JFlowers carbon shaft as well... This was the first clue. Then the fact that JFlowers are sold by the exact same sellers on AliExpress, with the same marketing strategies. Second clue. So I made 1+1... But it wouldn't surprise me either to discover that far more prestigious brands produce in the exact same factories. Maybe with different construction parameters and therefore higher quality and higher prices.
@@AngrierGorilla Wrong. I've talked with JFlowers company before. They stated specifically that these are knockoffs of their stuff. I have JFlowers equipment and it is top quality. Just as good as the big name cue companies imo. Don't spread false information please. Thanks
@@ianswenson4575 JFlowers and Konllen are serious companies. They sponsor top quality players all over the world. Opposite to "Poinos" and "Preoaidr", which are definitely knockoffs... agree with Ian, don't spread false information.
The weight bolt may be as far as 6+ inches deep in the hole, if you look closely you will see the threads in the wood hole where the bolt was installed, they take a bigger hex head wrench
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The shaft is warped out of the box. That's enough for me right there.
Lol 😅
Slight warped!!!
I’ve both purchased and seen multiple big brands where they were about the same or worse. This is a carbon fiber shaft so unlike wood, it won’t move and continue to get worse.
@@plhlolelnlilx06 IT ALREADY MOVED, OF COURSE IT WILL CONTINUE. WHY WOULDNT IT? IF IT DID FROM THE START HOW CAN IT STOP? ESPECIALLY IF IT IS UNDER STRESS FROM HITTING A BALL WITH IT. THESE ARE HOLLOW CARBON TUBES THAT COST $1.00 EACH ON WEBSITES. THEN ADD FOAM AND INSERTS FOR $20. AND SELL IT FOR $400
I would not pay for any kind of warped shaft or butt Lol no thank you j. Flowers!!! ...whats the "J " stand for...."J"ust a little fucked up!!! Lol
You shoot good man!! Thank you for the review.
Very informative review. Other reviews refer more to sound and feel than actual performance.
Didn't know carbon fibre shafts can be bent
*NICE REVIEW. WISH YOU TOLD US ABOUT THE DIAMTER OF THE BUTT, THE WRAP AREA. IT SEEMS TO BE VERY NARROW, A SMALL DIAMETER WRAP/BUTT. IS THE KONLLEN PENCIL THIN LIKE A PREDATOR P2*
The diameter of the butt cap was shown briefly at 1:49. You can use that number, plus the joint diameter shown a few seconds before, plus trigonometry, to get any diameter on the butt if you are good with math:)
You can fix this problem by sanding the base at the highest point of shaft off the table.
I had to do this to my ob pro and predator Revo 12.9 but my shaft was straight but when attached to the cue there was one side that was bent so i found the highest point looking at the shaft on the cue like a scope then did my magic to make it perfectly straight
You should never sand a carbon fiber shaft. Google is your friend, use it
@@440-fishermandrock8 I've straightened my shaft which is more important than being a sissy and scared to sand my equipment like a good little dog that listens to everything manufacturers tell us
I want to ask what is true.? Is konllen and j flower desame
My guess is yes.
Can anyone tell me if the pin is a 3/8 - 8 on this butt in the video? Would the new JFlowers "SMO" carbon shaft work successfully and in harmony with the Konllen?
It's my video. A Predator Revo shaft with a genuine Radial thread fit on this pin, but it was a bit loose.
Just got a Brunswick pool table, this review inspired me to order a Predator 314-3. Not really knowing what I'm doing when it comes to weight ordered the 20 oz. hopefully, it's not too heavy.
Awesome, enjoy your table and cue! Can't go wrong with Brunswick and Predator. Both at the top of the heap.
Should be adjustable if too heavy, great cue
nice to have a place for a table and the cash to do so plus the cue!! :)
Let's not forget the cue was $340 compared to a top predator which is at least $1000
They are not associated with jflowers do not buy this cue knock offs
Konllen is a knock-off brand of Jflowers cues....
I have no idea about either company, and am frankly surprised there as so man comments one knocked off the other. Both are bottom tiered Chinese brands, and the only reason anyone buys them is they are cheap. What I do know with 100% certainty is JFlowers was an American casemaker a few decades ago. So whoever owns the JFlowers cue company knocked off his whole name.
How much?
Is it true a konllen a reject of Jflower
I bought butt and shaft made by JFlowers (also known as Konllen) .. it came warped. So very disappointed.. authenticity number 4868.. the butt is also the exact same as Konllen and yet JFlowers says they are not the same company... someone's lying and it isn't me. JFlowers has no return policy..
This is why people need to order the Konllen cues from Amazon not J Flowers. It's the same exact cue just different logos.
They arent the same company.. the cue is made by the same manufacturer.
@@miamiwax5504 I've been trying to figure out both companies for the past week reading/watching reviews. Ive come up with the same conclusion. If you get the Konllen on Amazon and unhappy, return is super easy as opposed to ordering it from jflowers site. Plus jflowers charges $40 for shipping and no longer offering the black hard case.
@@biggspeed46 yes exactly
@@miamiwax5504 misinformation. Konllen is a 3rd party seller. They sell rejected cues by Jflowers. This is public information
The shaft is warped. Its a dead cue.
Cant i buy one Jflower cue
i had my meuccis and predator in my car for years... no warping no change at all...
Same here actually! I was playing every day had to have my cue in the car year round. ha ha. How things change when you get older.
@@tomwd.2825 I have a Predator 8K-1 with a 314 shaft. Both the shaft and the butt warped. I realize it's my fault due to poor storage--it was in a case hanging at an angle in my closet or lying on its side at work. But, who ever heard of a butt warping? Over $600 down the drain. I won't be buying Predator twice.
Excellent review , thank you …
Nice vid !
is it a conical or pro taper shaft?
Long pro taper.
Este taco trae la punta de cuero super dura será q se pueda cambiar por otra de mejor y cual seria la recomendacion
"Sniper" tip, made by "Tiger" is a good one.
How was the warped issue for you? Was it a hinderance in your game?
No, just a tiny amount. Did not affect anything.
is there a weight bolt in the butt of a JFlower cue if there is I can't see it even shined a flashlight.
I don’t know. I returned mine. I never removed the bumper when I had it.
I have the same question, can’t find weight bolt using flashlight either ... wish I could make it 18.5 , it’s 19.5-20 as delivered, too heavy for me
@@alexpersu9579 Did you get it on Amazon? Return it and get the weight you like if so.
Can i use this cue for england pool ?
It should work for any cue-sports. However if you mean Snooker, those cues are generally a smaller tip diameter, but this will still work.
Is that predator an 11.5 vs 12.5 on Konllen? Tip looks a lot wider. A lot of Konllen's come with a crappy tip (by most reviews). Also wonder if tip would change overall play (most say it does). I say all that because you can get the whole cue for less than the predator shaft, let alone whole cue.
The predator was a 314-2 with a standard tip diameter of 12.75mm. The tip does not appreciably affect deflection. Lots of data to support that, go see Dr Dave's website for more info.
@@nickp4793 I didn't mention deflection (mainly driven by shaft material) or english (tip size doesn't = more english). But I totally get why you might assume that's what I was thinking because of what was in the video. I wasn't clear... was just wondering if my eyes were right.
From my view, wide tips seem to be more forgiving which can be interpreted as... it can somewhat hide small flaws or equally could be interpreted as... wide tips offer a little less sublety in control (again, no expert here, just my perception).
I did decide to buy a Konllen AS series with an 11.5 tip. Beautifull cue, no warpage or defects a few seem to complain about. Looks stunning and feels great. Was just under $400. Basically $100 more for the Safflower Pear wood, abalone inlays, and the option for the 11.5 tip. Very pleased.
Would love to have a Predator or any other quality name brand, but for someone who just plays for fun I simply bought the Konllen because I want to develop my feel/habits with a relatively decent cue and the price difference is significant. The Konllen wasn't exactly cheap, but in a range where I went for it.
Think it was wise choice. Plays great. No complaints. Hard to imagine there can be a huge difference between much more expensive cues with respect to playability.
@@trevorwesterdahl6245 Yes, I agree. I think the Konlin is a great value for the money. You get a whole cue for a good price. I did like the shaft, and if my aim was not already fine tuned to the Predator characteristics, I would have probably kept it. Fast forward a couple years after I made this video, and I did eventually get the Predator Revo 12.4 shaft. I like it a lot, it plays to me exactly like the Predator 314-2, and I didn't have to make any aim adjustments to my game. Good luck with your game:)
@@nickp4793 Awesome! Your comment is why I bought the Konllen... once you adapt to a certain cue, seems like a lot of work to switch. I played enough with random bar cues to know I wanted consistency. Kept noticing big differences. Glad you got what you wanted and are pleased with it. Good luck with your game too!
shaft is crooked already
Carbon fiber shafts made by Konllen are the same that they sell under the brand "Preoaidr" (Predator knockoffs). They're all crooked...
Butts and wood shafts are not that bad for those prices, but stay away from these cheap carbon fiber shafts.
@@AngrierGorilla Yup. These are junk. I have JFlowers equipment and they are very good quality. They are not all the same as you stated in another comment.
@@ianswenson4575 JFlowers are pretty good, I have tried them. But I think the producers are pretty much the same. Obviously with JFlowers they put much more quality in their work. And prices change accordingly.
@@ianswenson4575 and by the way, I found one crooked JFlowers carbon shaft as well... This was the first clue.
Then the fact that JFlowers are sold by the exact same sellers on AliExpress, with the same marketing strategies. Second clue.
So I made 1+1...
But it wouldn't surprise me either to discover that far more prestigious brands produce in the exact same factories. Maybe with different construction parameters and therefore higher quality and higher prices.
@@AngrierGorilla I can definitely see that. Makes sense...
FYI, KONLEN ARE jflowers knockoffs!!!!!!!
FYI, JFlowers was an American case maker who died years ago. The Chinese knocked off his whole name.
JFlowers and Konllen are made by the same guys who produce Preoaidr and Poinos... Those are real knockoffs! 🤣
@@AngrierGorilla Wrong. I've talked with JFlowers company before. They stated specifically that these are knockoffs of their stuff. I have JFlowers equipment and it is top quality. Just as good as the big name cue companies imo. Don't spread false information please. Thanks
@@AngrierGorilla 🤣🤣🤣
@@ianswenson4575 JFlowers and Konllen are serious companies. They sponsor top quality players all over the world. Opposite to "Poinos" and "Preoaidr", which are definitely knockoffs... agree with Ian, don't spread false information.
Drink some water for gods sake
Change your cloth to simonis. It's faster speed.
It is Simonis 860. The speed is perfect.
Wow its great, nice cue
Need some help, I’ve had this cue for 2 days and can’t figure how to lower the weight .. any suggestions??
I don't have mine anymore... Does the rubber bumper remove? If so, there might be a weight bolt behind it.
@@nickp4793 empty hole under rubber bumper
@@alexpersu9579 Sounds like no weight bolt then, and you are stuck with whatever it is. Unless its really deep and you can't see it.
The weight bolt may be as far as 6+ inches deep in the hole, if you look closely you will see the threads in the wood hole where the bolt was installed, they take a bigger hex head wrench
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