Best win percentages against top-10 opponents : Björn Borg - 71.1% Novak Djokovic - 69.2% Boris Becker - 65.1% Roger Federer - 64.6% Ivan Lendl - 64.3% Rafael Nadal - 63.9% Pete Sampras - 63.6%
It's important to note that Borg retiring at age 26 inflates his stats. Normally a great player loses the most at the very beginning and very end of their careers, but Borg skipped the losses at the end of his career since he retired in his prime. Becker's numbers show he was truly a big match player.
@@Thunderoo yes the performance stat are bias this way. but this also highlight why Slam Counts isn't a good measure either. Players just age better as we live to 100+.
@@Phi1.618 Djokovic was the leader there up until 2023, it took a weak year at 37 for him to barely drop to second place, and he has barely lost to Top 10s: 2 official losses against Sinner, 1 against Ruud and 1 against Alcaraz; and that's it.
It is very difficult to create an indicator that is completely free of bias. If a player loses repeatedly to top 50 players in the early rounds, this will not affect this indicator. Conversely, if a player loses repeatedly to a top-10 player in the higher rounds, his winning percentage will worsen. The latter should be the better player, but the exact opposite would happen in terms of percentages.
That was amazing to watch. It really shows a lot of information! Rod Laver was astounding!; Can see why Andy Murray was often said to be part of the Big 4....a clear position between the Big 3 and the remaining 996 pro tennis players. And Novak still has more to achieve. Exciting times in tennis
Something to note with Rod Laver is that he already turned 30 the year Open Era started in 1968. He was a dominant player throughout the 60s beating all the other pros more often than not, but this is of course not reflected in Open Era statistics.
I read he was also coming back from a break when he won his 2nd proper Grand Slam too. His age, and the break really makes his 2nd Slam a god like achievement.
As a child I started to like tennis watching Lendl's games, he was more or less similar to Djoko, a guy from Eastern Europe who the press didn't pay much attention to, but who won a lot of the great tennis players of the time. He has the same number of Slams as Agassi, but the latter has a much greater reputation, having won much less of the top 10 than Lendl.
Nadal would have been at the top without his knee injuries, but then Djoko would have been even further ahead without his injuries. You can make excuses all night.
Funny thing is that Stan is actually fifth in the modern era in this parameter and people say hes not consistent. But the most astonishing thing here is that delpo has so many top 10 wins despite being injured for over half of his career! Imagine how great he would have been if he was healthy
Novak Djokovic has 24 slams, a positive record with Nadal and Federer, the most weeks as the leader of the ATP ranking and has won the most matches with players from the TOP 10 ranking. All this proves that he is the absolute GOAT.
I still consider Rod Laver as the overall #1 best player ever, this graph just re-confirmed it. He had the most top 10 wins from 1968-1991, 23 YEARS in this graph. And it doesn't even count the period when he was even more dominant, 1960-1970, the 1960s where he was in his prime.
@@sleong Laver was top 10 in 1960, top 4 in 1962 (behind the best professionals) and #1 from 1964 to 1970 really dominant in that period. Can’t imagine the graph with his entire career.
That doesn´t make any sense. He had the most wins untill 1991 because he played in that era. You could also count down from 2024 to 1968, would he than be less of a player??
He struck like a comet from outer space (more specifically, Serbia) and did a glitchless 100% speedrun of this game. 100% means all levels, all bosses and all items collected.
Andy Murray is so clear of everyone else but hes also far behind the big3. He's in a league of his own. It's like a big3.5. Not big3, not big4. Also, don't put del potro or wawrinka in the same category as Murray. He's wayy better than them.
True. He has more wins v the big three than anyone else... By an absolute mile. Constantly in the last 4 in grand slams and has a healthy winning record against all of the other pretenders (Ferrer, Wawrinka, Del Potro, Cilic, Tsonga, Berdych etc)
Peak levels vs consistency. Wawrinka only a few times hit his peak, in which he played some of the best tennis ever. Murray played more doggedly. The different styles earned both 3 grand slams, but Murray also got Olympic gold and more top 10 wins. But I think that peak Wawrinka was more spectacular.
@@Watch_Home Yes, all true. Nonetheless, peak Wawrinka played amongst the best tennis ever seen, imo, the manner in which he beat Djokovic at the French Open was one for the ages, an example of tennis at its finest, of what tennis can be.
This is a good representation as to why the big 4 phrase is valid. It’s not to say those 4 were ok the same level. That’s why we say big 3 for that reason. Big 4 represents what is showed here. These 4 occupied top 4 spots in most stats of that era or period. Pretty much beat the rest of the tour and usually lost to one another. Murray beat everyone else the same way the other 3 did.
This video highlights something that I've been saying all along: Andy Murray deserves MUCH more credit than he gets. The entirety of his career was played during the dominance of the Big 3. He had the misfortune of playing during the era where the three best players BY FAR happened to be playing. And during one of those years, he was consistently outplaying the GOAT. Without those 3, he would have swept EVERYTHING and in any other era would have been so far ahead of anyone else. It's not that he "only" won 3 slams. It's that he WRENCHED those 3 from the hands of the best three players to ever live.
Interesting that top 10 defeaters barely represented in the second list from feds 2000-2007 era but almost the entire list is from Djokovic's time and he surpased great, solid players and big 3.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 I find that a bit hard to believe - at least to the degree that Novak's most online fans believe it - because 1. Roger wiped the floor with most of the next generation players from 2017 until the early 2018, while being well over 30 2. He had match points against Thiem on clay in 2019 - who beaten Djokovic in Roland Garros a couple of weeks later - he lost to Nadal at the semis of Roland Garros and had match points against Novak at Wimbledon. So, he only lost to the two best active clay court players that year and almost won against Novak (one of the goats), all while being a few months older than the current age of Novak and clearly way out of his athletic prime. 3. In 2015 which in terms of quantity is the best year for Novak (some say it's his best year in terms of level too - although I tend to disagree), his biggest rival amongst the so called "stronger" era, was still Roger who was 33-34 years old at the time and still he was the only player that won against him multiple times and faced him in some of the biggest finals of the year.
@@neophytosdm I never said Roger wasn't good. Him being SO good, only makes sense he would still be a great player in the 2010s. What I'm saying about "Roger's era" is comparing the rest of the field on that near-decade: sans Nadal, the other guys were less competitive than the guys from Djokovic's dominant era (the 2010s). Roger still had some years where he was clearly above that bunch, but I never questiones his quality, just the quality of his opponents during the 2000s.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 I get that, I just don't believe that the quality of his opponents were inferior, at least to such an important degree. Maybe the competition got higher in the sense that a bar has been set and as time gone by, more players can play at certain level above that bar, because of the evolved training methods, recovery methods, knowledge sources etc. But I for one, believe that is very difficult or impossible to make an objective and fair comparison, because we are talking about 2 different eras. If you switch players between those 2 eras - for example take Alcaraz in the 2000s and bring Safin in 2010s, we don't know how they would have ended up under those different circumstances, we can only assume. Only thing I can say, based purely on just watching matches and not on facts, is that with the exception of Sinner and Alcaraz, there is a big chance that I would probably be more afraid of playing against a prime Safin, Roddick, Davydenko, Nalbandian, Gonzalez, Hewitt etc instead of Medvedev, Fritz, Rune, Zverev and Tsitsipas.
@@neophytosdm I digress on prime Meddy being less threatening than those guys, but remember: "Djokovic's era" encompasses much more than the NextGen+ players, it also encompasses PRIME MURRAY, prime Wawrinka, prime Tsonga, prime Ferrer, prime Nishikori, prime Cilic, prime Berdych, and also an always threatening Delpo. Now you also factor in the Big 3, vs only Fedal in 00s, and you get that Djokovic's time has been far more competitive, factor in Sinner and Alcaraz and it gets even more competitive. My point is, once Roger hit his peak, nobody truly opposed him (not even Safin or Roddick) and he pretty much swiped the floor with them until Nadal started being a pain in the ass from time to time. From 2011 onwards, the field was still not on the B3's level on a consistent basis, but they were far more threatening: Murray, Alcaraz and Sinner are definitely better than any other player outside Fedal since 2003 (the start of Roger's dominance). Medvedev and Wawrinka are imo BETTER than Safin or Roddick, and guys like Ferrer, Delpo, Tsonga, Berdych or Nishikori are a more threatening bunch than Nalbandian, Davydenko and company.
The most amazing stat in this video is that Rod Laver had more than McEnroe, Sampras, Becker, Borg, Agassi (and Connors had just one more than Laver). Rod Laver was THIRTY years old when this started. So he got ALL of his 146 AFTER age 30! He would have easily doubled that total had they been keeping track of his wins vs. top ten BEFORE he turned 30. Laver would easily be well over 300. The real GOAT... the Rocket.
Laver's record was beyond stunning as were Borg and Beckers. i forget how similar becker was to Alcaraz today as far as motivation against top opposition is concerned
I find this pointless, as over the years the standard has improved to an extent that any of the modern day top 50 players are far more difficult to beat, than the top ten in the 60's.
I think a video of against Top 5 would be more interesting. Top 5 would give some interesting info probably favoring the Big 3 because they played each other so much.
Good afternoon, I wanted to ask something. I have created a tennis channel in Spanish and I wanted to try all kinds of videos to see which ones were better and worse for me. And this is when I saw your content from the rankings ranging from (2000-2024), and the truth is that I found it very interesting. Could you give me some advice on how you do it and I can try it my way? Thank you so much
Ce qui est impressionnant c’est le nombre de victoire de Rod Laver … sachant que ça démarre en 1968 alors qu’il a déjà 30 ans !!! Et qu’il est déjà le meilleur joueur du monde depuis 4 ans ! Son total serait probablement comparable (voire supérieur) à celui de Djoko
@@jatairways when Laver played and was at his peak, there wasn't even a pro tour to speak of for the first half of his career(1959-1967). That plus they played more for the money than for grand slams. You can't just count the slam count and say it's done Djokovic automically wins. Although I will agree with you on this, Djokovic is at least #3.
To compare Laver to Djokovic just by slam count is absolutely stupid. If the likes of Laver, Rosewall & Pancho Gonzalez didn't turned pro & care about every slam like today's players did, then each of them could have atleast 20 slams. They turned pro during their peak. BTW Jeff Sackmann in 2022 done a Elo rating for past players among both genders in which Steffi Graf & Rod Laver came on top for both female & male respectively. Laver peak Elo rating of 2571 is over 100 point higher than Djokovic 2470 points. That's show how dominate Laver was in his era against tough competition.
The problem with this logic is that beating top-10 ranked opponent is not always synonymous with beating "the best" or one of the best...because rankings alone do not always reflect that...sometimes certain player outside of top-10 that is on fire looks more hot to beat and thus a btter player, than a player ranked inside top-10, who at very particular moment hasn't done anything substantial to make himself dangerous and so on...there are many such instances in tennis both in the past and in the present...and this coming from someone, who is a die hard Djokovic fan...
I think the top 4 would have been closer if Murray did not have the career altering hip injury in 2016. 2016 Andy Murray was a beast. The only one who could go toe to toe with Prime Djokovic in surfaces other than Clay.
opinions are just that.. you can love Federer or Nadal which is totally fine but is undeniable that there is only one goat which by far is Novak. Most Slams, most ATP Finals, most Week at N1, most Year end N1, most Master 1000, most Big Titles, best H2H Vs Nadal, best H2H Vs Federer, the only one with 3 Career Slam, the only one with 2 career Master 1000, the only one completing tennis winning evverything that there is to win. Really there are people still thinking that Federer got even close? come on.. and for the people saying that records are not everything and bla bla bla, this is not Miss Universe contest, there is not Boat, Toat, Moat, Poat and whatever other bs Federer fanboys want to come up with. There is GOAT and that is Novak Djokovic, everything else is air through the mouth.
Have you noticed that even in this video, Djokovic only surpassed Federer in 2021- when Federer was in his 40s and when the competition fell off dramatically? Perhaps with his younger age, Novak proved more resilient than Rafa and Roger, yet the better stats must be contextualised in the 2021-2023 with very weak competition.
@@calebp6114😂 Federer accumulated 12 Slams early on in the weak era beating players like Baghdatis, Gonzalez, Philippoussis, Soderling etc in finals. That era was much weaker than after Fed's decline.
@@calebp6114 Did you notice in this video that the people competing in Fed's dominant years had extremely low numbers compared to every other era? In early 2000s, the top person Hewitt, had similar top 10 wins to the 3rd place person in almost every other era. Then in Fed's dominant era, his biggest competition for a lot of the years (Roddick) barely made the list. This shows the inconsistency of top players during Fed's most dominant era. Even the easy Djokovic years (~2019-2022) weren't this weak.
Lendl had serious back issues his last few years that forced him into retirement. if he went on for 20+ years like Fed, Nadal and Djokovic he'd be close to topping the list. Also if you took Laver's entire career into consideration there's a strong likelyhood he'd be on top. Ive always considered Boris Becker a better player than his 6 grand slam titles indicate. when he was on his game he'd be a handful for any player in history. Borg finishing among the top 10 is also an impressive feat given he walked away from the game at such a young age.
Interesting. While I'm a big Nole fan, Laver may not get a fair shake in this analysis because there's no comparison with respect to the number of tournaments that he could play every year. If the ATP season is now 10 tournaments/yr bigger than it was then, everyone has many more opportunities to play against the top 10 every year.
This video is another great example of Federer's early dominant years, and how his competition was not very good. No players, other than Nadal, made the list at all, or were even close to other generations, and Nadal only really showed up in the later years of Fed's dominant 5 years. You can see this at around 3:02-3:30 with the lists, showing people such as Safin at only 22 wins, and Hewitt in his best years at first with only 42. Most other 4-5 year period in this video, the 3rd place had 40+ top 10 wins. This shows the inconsistency of top players during those years. This isn't to take anything from Fed, he was amazing and dominant, but when I hear "weak-era" arguments about other players' dominance, I always think of this.
Should compare how good the top 10 players were for each era, Nole doesn't have a single rival 10 years his junior with over 1 GS so I bet he had it easiest.. from 2011 onwards when he began to break those records.
It's a shame that top 10 in the last 5-7 years is not the same as top 10 during 80's 90's 2000's or 10's. Luckily Alcaraz and Sinner are spicing things up now, but the quality gap is still there.
This shows how Federer has partly been in a diff era vs Nadal/Djoker. Sampras / Agassi are on the charts too. Being 4-5 years apart, Fed was not fairly matched. He's been retired for years now. The current weak era favors Djoker stats also. Now that Alcaraz / Sinner are improving, you see Djoker fading. The pure domination and consecutive record wks at #1 plus the multi-era competitions simply say the Fed is the true GOAT. slam counts will always be overcome as players age better and play longer. Not a definitive measure.
Rod Laver era doesn't count. Same with Margaret Court, all these ancient records are too weighed behind skill inequality. Their competition was nowhere as competitive or balanced as it is now. Rod Laver was practically playing non-tennis players, same with Court.
Total bs comment. Laver played in one of the strongest era ever. Stronger than what peak Sampras or Federer faced. Laver main rivals were Rosewall, Gonzalez, Emerson, Santana, Hoad, Stolle, Tony Roche & then strong next gen like Nastase, Stan Smith, Ashe, Newcombe, Okker & Connors. That as good competition as anybody ever faced. Ancient players doesn't mean he/she can't be a GOAT. Is Babe Ruth, Mays, Ali, Pele, Wilt Chamberlain are not GOAT contender?? There is still a huge argument among tennis pundit that Laver is the GOAT in tennis.
Rog is a prominent citizen of Switzerland. Switzerland is a central hub of the world's satanism and pedophilia, which is everywhere in the top levels of human elite political and geopolitical activity in the western world. Given his prominence in the eyes of the truly powerful in that sordid Switzerland, it's at least unlikely that the great Rog himself has remained untouched by such truly nasty evils as committed by those who somehow never seem to have to answer to the law for crimes that long ago should have had them put behind bars for many lifetimes. I suspect there might be intimidating shadows following Federer around, perhaps even more so now than when he ruled the tennis world as a player of such gigantic success and status.
Well this is clear about who won more matches against top 10 but not about who is the goat or the best tennis player. At the same time being the best tennis player not means the best profesional tennis player. At the same time someone can be an incredible player but injuries are a massive lack on it's overall performance
Don't confuse grand slam wins and so on with GOAT status. We need to look at greatest in their prime. Greatest in their PRIME goes to none other than Roger Federer. People forget that at one time he was the second greatest clay court player, losing several finals to the greatest clay court player Nadal. Federer would have easily had close to 30 slams if it weren't for Nadal on clay. Give me Federer in his PRIME. It's like MJ in his PRIME.
I love how the commenters act like Nole's record is going to be some carved in stone all-time achievement. It will fall just like all records do. It wasn't that long ago when Pete Sampras' record of 14 majors was considered to be untouchable. Look how that aged. Pete can't even get his name dropped as an honorable mention in the GOAT conversation. Old Nole is going to be invited to present the trophy for the record breaking slam one day just like Bjorn and Pete were. It's the way of things.
Words of a man who hasn't done even a shred of homework regarding the question of what can reasonably be expected of humanity's long-range prospects. Do some homework, my friend, and if you do that in a serious way, you'll realize that Djoko's records won't ever come close to being broken. Humanity doesn't have enough time left to churn out such a champion ever again. Save your blabby "It's the way of things" for other than any sort of serious and reflective discussion.
It's definitely possible. Records are meant to be broken. But as it stands now, Novak is the GOAT. Maybe Sinner or Alcaraz will get 25 Slams. We'll see over the next 10-15 years.
only 1 win against top 10 for Nole in 2024, but the most important🥇
Because he’s 37 years old
@@철학-r5q Federer at 37 beat a few more top 10 players
@@bramb4949 djokovic at 37 has completed tennis with every major record😂😂
@@bramb4949novak gets Olympic gold medal beats world no.2
@@godnsqpd You should add that the number two just won RG and Wimbledon, and Novak had to play Nadal on clay at RG too...
1. GOAT
2. Maestro
3. Beast
No, yes and yes
@@kensmith9292 Cry more Fedalito
@@lakeoffireman Lol, Nole made Fed cry Wimbledon
@@kensmith9292 Yes Nole did make Fed cry many times
@@lakeoffireman Lol, which is why you didn’t understand my original comment.
Lendl holding the record for almost 20yrs, impressive
Ivan is one of those somewhat forgotten champions. He was just a machine out there.
Absolutely agree
Over 20, in fact. '92-'14
Best win percentages against top-10 opponents :
Björn Borg - 71.1%
Novak Djokovic - 69.2%
Boris Becker - 65.1%
Roger Federer - 64.6%
Ivan Lendl - 64.3%
Rafael Nadal - 63.9%
Pete Sampras - 63.6%
It's important to note that Borg retiring at age 26 inflates his stats. Normally a great player loses the most at the very beginning and very end of their careers, but Borg skipped the losses at the end of his career since he retired in his prime. Becker's numbers show he was truly a big match player.
@@Thunderoo yes the performance stat are bias this way. but this also highlight why Slam Counts isn't a good measure either. Players just age better as we live to 100+.
Win percentage is a better measure for sure.
@@Phi1.618 Djokovic was the leader there up until 2023, it took a weak year at 37 for him to barely drop to second place, and he has barely lost to Top 10s: 2 official losses against Sinner, 1 against Ruud and 1 against Alcaraz; and that's it.
It is very difficult to create an indicator that is completely free of bias.
If a player loses repeatedly to top 50 players in the early rounds, this will not affect this indicator.
Conversely, if a player loses repeatedly to a top-10 player in the higher rounds, his winning percentage will worsen.
The latter should be the better player, but the exact opposite would happen in terms of percentages.
That was amazing to watch. It really shows a lot of information!
Rod Laver was astounding!;
Can see why Andy Murray was often said to be part of the Big 4....a clear position between the Big 3 and the remaining 996 pro tennis players.
And Novak still has more to achieve.
Exciting times in tennis
I think Novak will win 1 more grand slam before he retires. Would be awesome if he wins an 11th AO
hey? he had 1 top 10 win this season. more to achieve? unlikely.
Something to note with Rod Laver is that he already turned 30 the year Open Era started in 1968. He was a dominant player throughout the 60s beating all the other pros more often than not, but this is of course not reflected in Open Era statistics.
I read he was also coming back from a break when he won his 2nd proper Grand Slam too. His age, and the break really makes his 2nd Slam a god like achievement.
As a child I started to like tennis watching Lendl's games, he was more or less similar to Djoko, a guy from Eastern Europe who the press didn't pay much attention to, but who won a lot of the great tennis players of the time. He has the same number of Slams as Agassi, but the latter has a much greater reputation, having won much less of the top 10 than Lendl.
@@marcelo2740 Agassi was ATP's marketing darling. He also outshines Sampras, who has clearly a far better career nonetheless.
The big 3 should be in that order
1. Goat Nole
2. Elegant Roger
3.fighter clay king Nadal
Boat Nole
Goat Roger
Boat, Goat Djokovic
Federer is always the best 🔝🎾🥇🔥
Federer will always be the best player 🔥🥇🎾🔝
😂😂😂@@JohnRome-xn7hx
Shout out to Murray at 4 also.
There was a gap from the big 3 to Murray and a similar gap from Andy to the rest.
After 2016 he only won 5 matches! that shows how hard he was hit by injuries!
@@blueice2004yeah absolutely ravaged.
I love Murray but he is not even close to first 3. Its British fake narrative about big "4" It never was
The one and only Idemoooo 👽🐐🇷🇸
Murray would have been closer without the injuries and metal hip, he was gaining up until 2016.
Nadal would have been at the top without his knee injuries, but then Djoko would have been even further ahead without his injuries. You can make excuses all night.
NOLE el más grande en todo!!! GOAT
Funny thing is that Stan is actually fifth in the modern era in this parameter and people say hes not consistent. But the most astonishing thing here is that delpo has so many top 10 wins despite being injured for over half of his career! Imagine how great he would have been if he was healthy
Big 3 in a different stratosphere!!
Novak G. O. A. T
Tout le monde le sait
Serbian detected, opinion rejected
Novak Djokovic has 24 slams, a positive record with Nadal and Federer, the most weeks as the leader of the ATP ranking and has won the most matches with players from the TOP 10 ranking. All this proves that he is the absolute GOAT.
Also Djokovic had won more in prize money than any other tennis player.
FEDERER GOAT
@@bagaudas1400 nowhere near
@@bagaudas1400
Proof?
Djoko started winning when the price money went up. So that says nothing
Amazing Borg with a short carrer and Lendl wow!!!!
Proud to be serbian Like Novak Djokovic
great achievment for you lol
I still consider Rod Laver as the overall #1 best player ever, this graph just re-confirmed it. He had the most top 10 wins from 1968-1991, 23 YEARS in this graph. And it doesn't even count the period when he was even more dominant, 1960-1970, the 1960s where he was in his prime.
@@sleong Laver was top 10 in 1960, top 4 in 1962 (behind the best professionals) and #1 from 1964 to 1970 really dominant in that period. Can’t imagine the graph with his entire career.
lol naa, cant compare, its really old tennis, competition wasnt that hard as now, also tennis wasnt as popular as now.
That doesn´t make any sense. He had the most wins untill 1991 because he played in that era. You could also count down from 2024 to 1968, would he than be less of a player??
Andy Murray showing why it was called Big 4 back in the day
He struck like a comet from outer space (more specifically, Serbia) and did a glitchless 100% speedrun of this game. 100% means all levels, all bosses and all items collected.
Andy Murray is so clear of everyone else but hes also far behind the big3. He's in a league of his own. It's like a big3.5. Not big3, not big4. Also, don't put del potro or wawrinka in the same category as Murray. He's wayy better than them.
True. He has more wins v the big three than anyone else... By an absolute mile.
Constantly in the last 4 in grand slams and has a healthy winning record against all of the other pretenders (Ferrer, Wawrinka, Del Potro, Cilic, Tsonga, Berdych etc)
Peak levels vs consistency. Wawrinka only a few times hit his peak, in which he played some of the best tennis ever. Murray played more doggedly. The different styles earned both 3 grand slams, but Murray also got Olympic gold and more top 10 wins. But I think that peak Wawrinka was more spectacular.
@@Watch_Home Yes, all true. Nonetheless, peak Wawrinka played amongst the best tennis ever seen, imo, the manner in which he beat Djokovic at the French Open was one for the ages, an example of tennis at its finest, of what tennis can be.
@@lukeskirenko double Olympic singles gold and a mixed doubles Silver
@@JustChrisNow 13-10 against Wawrinka isn't exactly healthy
This is a good representation as to why the big 4 phrase is valid. It’s not to say those 4 were ok the same level. That’s why we say big 3 for that reason. Big 4 represents what is showed here. These 4 occupied top 4 spots in most stats of that era or period. Pretty much beat the rest of the tour and usually lost to one another. Murray beat everyone else the same way the other 3 did.
This video highlights something that I've been saying all along: Andy Murray deserves MUCH more credit than he gets. The entirety of his career was played during the dominance of the Big 3. He had the misfortune of playing during the era where the three best players BY FAR happened to be playing. And during one of those years, he was consistently outplaying the GOAT. Without those 3, he would have swept EVERYTHING and in any other era would have been so far ahead of anyone else. It's not that he "only" won 3 slams. It's that he WRENCHED those 3 from the hands of the best three players to ever live.
Interesting that top 10 defeaters barely represented in the second list from feds 2000-2007 era but almost the entire list is from Djokovic's time and he surpased great, solid players and big 3.
Which only cements the argument that Nole's era was stronger than Roger's.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 I find that a bit hard to believe - at least to the degree that Novak's most online fans believe it - because
1. Roger wiped the floor with most of the next generation players from 2017 until the early 2018, while being well over 30
2. He had match points against Thiem on clay in 2019 - who beaten Djokovic in Roland Garros a couple of weeks later - he lost to Nadal at the semis of Roland Garros and had match points against Novak at Wimbledon. So, he only lost to the two best active clay court players that year and almost won against Novak (one of the goats), all while being a few months older than the current age of Novak and clearly way out of his athletic prime.
3. In 2015 which in terms of quantity is the best year for Novak (some say it's his best year in terms of level too - although I tend to disagree), his biggest rival amongst the so called "stronger" era, was still Roger who was 33-34 years old at the time and still he was the only player that won against him multiple times and faced him in some of the biggest finals of the year.
@@neophytosdm I never said Roger wasn't good. Him being SO good, only makes sense he would still be a great player in the 2010s. What I'm saying about "Roger's era" is comparing the rest of the field on that near-decade: sans Nadal, the other guys were less competitive than the guys from Djokovic's dominant era (the 2010s). Roger still had some years where he was clearly above that bunch, but I never questiones his quality, just the quality of his opponents during the 2000s.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 I get that, I just don't believe that the quality of his opponents were inferior, at least to such an important degree. Maybe the competition got higher in the sense that a bar has been set and as time gone by, more players can play at certain level above that bar, because of the evolved training methods, recovery methods, knowledge sources etc. But I for one, believe that is very difficult or impossible to make an objective and fair comparison, because we are talking about 2 different eras. If you switch players between those 2 eras - for example take Alcaraz in the 2000s and bring Safin in 2010s, we don't know how they would have ended up under those different circumstances, we can only assume.
Only thing I can say, based purely on just watching matches and not on facts, is that with the exception of Sinner and Alcaraz, there is a big chance that I would probably be more afraid of playing against a prime Safin, Roddick, Davydenko, Nalbandian, Gonzalez, Hewitt etc instead of Medvedev, Fritz, Rune, Zverev and Tsitsipas.
@@neophytosdm I digress on prime Meddy being less threatening than those guys, but remember: "Djokovic's era" encompasses much more than the NextGen+ players, it also encompasses PRIME MURRAY, prime Wawrinka, prime Tsonga, prime Ferrer, prime Nishikori, prime Cilic, prime Berdych, and also an always threatening Delpo. Now you also factor in the Big 3, vs only Fedal in 00s, and you get that Djokovic's time has been far more competitive, factor in Sinner and Alcaraz and it gets even more competitive.
My point is, once Roger hit his peak, nobody truly opposed him (not even Safin or Roddick) and he pretty much swiped the floor with them until Nadal started being a pain in the ass from time to time.
From 2011 onwards, the field was still not on the B3's level on a consistent basis, but they were far more threatening: Murray, Alcaraz and Sinner are definitely better than any other player outside Fedal since 2003 (the start of Roger's dominance). Medvedev and Wawrinka are imo BETTER than Safin or Roddick, and guys like Ferrer, Delpo, Tsonga, Berdych or Nishikori are a more threatening bunch than Nalbandian, Davydenko and company.
Federer’s dominance is pretty ridiculous. Not surprising given that he played better than anyone ever
Does he own any stats anymore? 😂 Give it up. Your boy is #2.
The best of all !! By any angle is always him !!! GOAT of course!!
Djoker, the G.O.A.T. of tennis.
Yes but I do love Rafael Nadal
Rod Laver what a beast!
Among all the great achievements of all them, what amazes me is that Lleyton Hewitt still holds the sixth place after 8 years of being retired.
Nadal has the most wins vs world number 1
Gotov si Federerčino žvalava. Bravo Nole 🇷🇸
The most amazing stat in this video is that Rod Laver had more than McEnroe, Sampras, Becker, Borg, Agassi (and Connors had just one more than Laver).
Rod Laver was THIRTY years old when this started. So he got ALL of his 146 AFTER age 30! He would have easily doubled that total had they been keeping track of his wins vs. top ten BEFORE he turned 30. Laver would easily be well over 300. The real GOAT... the Rocket.
Only 5ft 8 inches. Would not have been able to compete against today's players with modern equipment. They are all 6 feet plus.
@@normangoldstuck8107 - Had Laver been born in 1987 rather than 1938... he would have been 6' 2".
Laver's record was beyond stunning as were Borg and Beckers. i forget how similar becker was to Alcaraz today as far as motivation against top opposition is concerned
I find this pointless, as over the years the standard has improved to an extent that any of the modern day top 50 players are far more difficult to beat, than the top ten in the 60's.
In terms of total matches played and total professional matches won, Federer still tops both Djokovic and Nadal. He will always remain a legend.
I think a video of against Top 5 would be more interesting. Top 5 would give some interesting info probably favoring the Big 3 because they played each other so much.
Djokovic é inquestionável, o melhor é maior sem sobras de dúvidas. 👍💪💪👑🏆🥇
CARLOS ALCARAZ 😂😂
ele com certeza é o maior mesmo! mas "melhor" já vai pra outros quesitos, aí eu prefiro o federer rsrs
The Joker is the GOAT It was a lock before he won his Gold medal at age 37 lol Definitely the GOAT!
Good afternoon, I wanted to ask something.
I have created a tennis channel in Spanish and I wanted to try all kinds of videos to see which ones were better and worse for me. And this is when I saw your content from the rankings ranging from (2000-2024), and the truth is that I found it very interesting. Could you give me some advice on how you do it and I can try it my way? Thank you so much
It's really weird this obsession with the GOAT conversation. People seem so obsessed by it.
Exactly. Not just that but people are very aggressive about who they think is the best too, although I guess that's how a lot of people are online
The Big One is on another level!
Andy Murray, Big 4
Ce qui est impressionnant c’est le nombre de victoire de Rod Laver … sachant que ça démarre en 1968 alors qu’il a déjà 30 ans !!! Et qu’il est déjà le meilleur joueur du monde depuis 4 ans ! Son total serait probablement comparable (voire supérieur) à celui de Djoko
yes Laver still is the overall #1. He had TWO years when he won all 4 slams! Most dominant player ever
@@sleong Rod won 11 grand slam titels, Djokovic 24. Nole was No 1, a record total 428 weeks. You can hate him but his results speaks for itself.
@@jatairways when Laver played and was at his peak, there wasn't even a pro tour to speak of for the first half of his career(1959-1967). That plus they played more for the money than for grand slams. You can't just count the slam count and say it's done Djokovic automically wins. Although I will agree with you on this, Djokovic is at least #3.
To compare Laver to Djokovic just by slam count is absolutely stupid. If the likes of Laver, Rosewall & Pancho Gonzalez didn't turned pro & care about every slam like today's players did, then each of them could have atleast 20 slams. They turned pro during their peak. BTW Jeff Sackmann in 2022 done a Elo rating for past players among both genders in which Steffi Graf & Rod Laver came on top for both female & male respectively. Laver peak Elo rating of 2571 is over 100 point higher than Djokovic 2470 points. That's show how dominate Laver was in his era against tough competition.
Yep. At his best Federer was the best. It was amazing to watch.
He definitely dominated the weak era.
Unless you think players like Baghdatis, Gonzalez, Philippoussis, Soderling are all time great opponents.
Djoko way above as always. From big three to one and only.
Wins vs total court time and matches played would be interesting too.
The problem with this logic is that beating top-10 ranked opponent is not always synonymous with beating "the best" or one of the best...because rankings alone do not always reflect that...sometimes certain player outside of top-10 that is on fire looks more hot to beat and thus a btter player, than a player ranked inside top-10, who at very particular moment hasn't done anything substantial to make himself dangerous and so on...there are many such instances in tennis both in the past and in the present...and this coming from someone, who is a die hard Djokovic fan...
Novax a true sportshero!
I think the top 4 would have been closer if Murray did not have the career altering hip injury in 2016. 2016 Andy Murray was a beast. The only one who could go toe to toe with Prime Djokovic in surfaces other than Clay.
Novak the greatest
Undisputed GOAT Novak aside,people can only argue why Big titles no.2 record keeper Nadal is short of 36 wins vs no.3 Big titles keeper Roger
It would be nice doing same against Top 5 and Top 3.
opinions are just that.. you can love Federer or Nadal which is totally fine but is undeniable that there is only one goat which by far is Novak.
Most Slams, most ATP Finals, most Week at N1, most Year end N1, most Master 1000, most Big Titles, best H2H Vs Nadal, best H2H Vs Federer, the only one with 3 Career Slam, the only one with 2 career Master 1000, the only one completing tennis winning evverything that there is to win. Really there are people still thinking that Federer got even close? come on.. and for the people saying that records are not everything and bla bla bla, this is not Miss Universe contest, there is not Boat, Toat, Moat, Poat and whatever other bs Federer fanboys want to come up with. There is GOAT and that is Novak Djokovic, everything else is air through the mouth.
Have you noticed that even in this video, Djokovic only surpassed Federer in 2021- when Federer was in his 40s and when the competition fell off dramatically? Perhaps with his younger age, Novak proved more resilient than Rafa and Roger, yet the better stats must be contextualised in the 2021-2023 with very weak competition.
@@calebp6114Federer gets a lot of wins before Djoko started to play and then he also had no competition
@@calebp6114😂 Federer accumulated 12 Slams early on in the weak era beating players like Baghdatis, Gonzalez, Philippoussis, Soderling etc in finals. That era was much weaker than after Fed's decline.
@@calebp6114 Did you notice in this video that the people competing in Fed's dominant years had extremely low numbers compared to every other era? In early 2000s, the top person Hewitt, had similar top 10 wins to the 3rd place person in almost every other era. Then in Fed's dominant era, his biggest competition for a lot of the years (Roddick) barely made the list. This shows the inconsistency of top players during Fed's most dominant era. Even the easy Djokovic years (~2019-2022) weren't this weak.
So why does jim courier argue that the stats say Nadal is the GOAT
NOVAK ROGER RAFA. 1/2/3
Lendl had serious back issues his last few years that forced him into retirement.
if he went on for 20+ years like Fed, Nadal and Djokovic he'd be close to topping the list.
Also if you took Laver's entire career into consideration there's a strong likelyhood he'd be on top.
Ive always considered Boris Becker a better player than his 6 grand slam titles indicate.
when he was on his game he'd be a handful for any player in history.
Borg finishing among the top 10 is also an impressive feat given he walked away from the game at such a young age.
Roger ruled almost 18 years. Roger rafa and novak are different. Let c how Carlos and sinner will do in coming years.
Simple the Best Roger Federer
Troica najboljih svih vremena!
Djokovic - Nadal 31-29
Djokovic - Federer 27-23
Nadal - Federer 24-16
mad respect for andy
Rafa the best ever
Interesting. While I'm a big Nole fan, Laver may not get a fair shake in this analysis because there's no comparison with respect to the number of tournaments that he could play every year. If the ATP season is now 10 tournaments/yr bigger than it was then, everyone has many more opportunities to play against the top 10 every year.
This video is another great example of Federer's early dominant years, and how his competition was not very good. No players, other than Nadal, made the list at all, or were even close to other generations, and Nadal only really showed up in the later years of Fed's dominant 5 years. You can see this at around 3:02-3:30 with the lists, showing people such as Safin at only 22 wins, and Hewitt in his best years at first with only 42. Most other 4-5 year period in this video, the 3rd place had 40+ top 10 wins. This shows the inconsistency of top players during those years. This isn't to take anything from Fed, he was amazing and dominant, but when I hear "weak-era" arguments about other players' dominance, I always think of this.
Should compare how good the top 10 players were for each era, Nole doesn't have a single rival 10 years his junior with over 1 GS so I bet he had it easiest.. from 2011 onwards when he began to break those records.
It's a shame that top 10 in the last 5-7 years is not the same as top 10 during 80's 90's 2000's or 10's.
Luckily Alcaraz and Sinner are spicing things up now, but the quality gap is still there.
Novak goated
If it wasn't for the 3 goats, Murray would have been a monster player.
So Nole has most top 10 wins in the first 2010s Era, second 2010s Era and first 20s Era!
How many Eras is this guy gonna dominate?
This shows how Federer has partly been in a diff era vs Nadal/Djoker. Sampras / Agassi are on the charts too. Being 4-5 years apart, Fed was not fairly matched. He's been retired for years now. The current weak era favors Djoker stats also. Now that Alcaraz / Sinner are improving, you see Djoker fading. The pure domination and consecutive record wks at #1 plus the multi-era competitions simply say the Fed is the true GOAT. slam counts will always be overcome as players age better and play longer. Not a definitive measure.
Juan Martin Del Potro is the goats nightmare 😎
1.nakashima
2.sumithnagal
3.johncena
Lendl went first in the most competitive tennis era: from Borg, Vilas, Connors, McEnroe through Wilander, Edberg, Becker to Sampras, Agassi...
🔝🎾🥇🔥👏
Roger was on top until he stopped playing.
How were the top 10 rankings calculated for the purposes of this video since there were no official computer rankings prior to 1974?
Rod Laver era doesn't count. Same with Margaret Court, all these ancient records are too weighed behind skill inequality. Their competition was nowhere as competitive or balanced as it is now. Rod Laver was practically playing non-tennis players, same with Court.
Total bs comment. Laver played in one of the strongest era ever. Stronger than what peak Sampras or Federer faced. Laver main rivals were Rosewall, Gonzalez, Emerson, Santana, Hoad, Stolle, Tony Roche & then strong next gen like Nastase, Stan Smith, Ashe, Newcombe, Okker & Connors. That as good competition as anybody ever faced. Ancient players doesn't mean he/she can't be a GOAT. Is Babe Ruth, Mays, Ali, Pele, Wilt Chamberlain are not GOAT contender?? There is still a huge argument among tennis pundit that Laver is the GOAT in tennis.
@@rajusaha855 The standard then wasn't great. I could have competed in that era!
@@EvilestGem then how many titles you have won in that poor era?? lmao🤣🤣.
Goddamn right, Alexander Zverev.
Nole, Nole!!! Idemoooo!!!! 🙂
roger is legend and uniqe😍
Roger the big GOAT
Rog is a prominent citizen of Switzerland. Switzerland is a central hub of the world's satanism and pedophilia, which is everywhere in the top levels of human elite political and geopolitical activity in the western world. Given his prominence in the eyes of the truly powerful in that sordid Switzerland, it's at least unlikely that the great Rog himself has remained untouched by such truly nasty evils as committed by those who somehow never seem to have to answer to the law for crimes that long ago should have had them put behind bars for many lifetimes. I suspect there might be intimidating shadows following Federer around, perhaps even more so now than when he ruled the tennis world as a player of such gigantic success and status.
Did you put slovenian or slovakian flag next to Novak? can't tell
Was it hard to find serbian one?
Well this is clear about who won more matches against top 10 but not about who is the goat or the best tennis player. At the same time being the best tennis player not means the best profesional tennis player. At the same time someone can be an incredible player but injuries are a massive lack on it's overall performance
In percentage, it would be more relevant.
Nole is the Best!!
And people still argue Roger is the best. 🤡
Then along came Roger
Alcaraz has still not passed his coach.
He is young. Give him some time.
Don't confuse grand slam wins and so on with GOAT status. We need to look at greatest in their prime. Greatest in their PRIME goes to none other than Roger Federer. People forget that at one time he was the second greatest clay court player, losing several finals to the greatest clay court player Nadal. Federer would have easily had close to 30 slams if it weren't for Nadal on clay.
Give me Federer in his PRIME. It's like MJ in his PRIME.
No Pete Sampras on the list?
Big 4 is still a big 4
King Federer, drogovic , dopanalgas
And why the goofy corporate music?
Down undah powah. Laver rules.
👏
Bahrami Goat
Big 3:
Roger GOATETER, King of Grass
Rafael GOATAL God of Clay
Novak GOATJOVIC King of Hard
1. NOVAK DJOKOVIC.
The narration at the beginning is annoying and unnecessary. Just show the rankings and play the music!
todos sabemos que el mejor es el "rey" DAVID NALBANDIAN ... fin
Novak Djokovic the Undisputed GOAT 🐐🐐🐐
I love how the commenters act like Nole's record is going to be some carved in stone all-time achievement. It will fall just like all records do. It wasn't that long ago when Pete Sampras' record of 14 majors was considered to be untouchable. Look how that aged. Pete can't even get his name dropped as an honorable mention in the GOAT conversation. Old Nole is going to be invited to present the trophy for the record breaking slam one day just like Bjorn and Pete were. It's the way of things.
Words of a man who hasn't done even a shred of homework regarding the question of what can reasonably be expected of humanity's long-range prospects. Do some homework, my friend, and if you do that in a serious way, you'll realize that Djoko's records won't ever come close to being broken. Humanity doesn't have enough time left to churn out such a champion ever again. Save your blabby "It's the way of things" for other than any sort of serious and reflective discussion.
@@rolandhill8226 Hi Nole! Nice to see you online.
It's definitely possible. Records are meant to be broken. But as it stands now, Novak is the GOAT.
Maybe Sinner or Alcaraz will get 25 Slams. We'll see over the next 10-15 years.
@@rolandhill8226 Exactly what I was thinking. Hard to see men's professional tennis outlasting industrial civilisation!
WW3 or something could destroy competitive sport as we know it.
Nole won a huge number of slam against non-top players. How many of those are still competing for slams? Federer is the GOAT.